Elite Gun Fighter vs Elite Knife Fighter | Ep3 | The 21ft Rule Does Not Apply! |

** This video is intended for educational & entertainment purposes only. **
The 21ft rule states that in close quarters combat a knife is more effective than a gun. That a knife wielding attacker needs only to enter a 21ft radial distance to conquer the gun fighter.
In this revolutionary exploration of the theory we pit one the of world's elite gun fighters, Instructor Zero from the Spartan Academy in Italy, against the best knife fighter we could find, Doug Marcaida, an edged impact weapons specialist who trains some of the world's most elite fighting units.
What we found in this first round of exploration is that a skilled gun fighter actually has tools within himself to cut that distance by more than half! In coming episodes, Doug will increase the difficulty of attack using concealment tactics, distractions, and advanced movements to see if he can EXTEND the 21ft rule. Stay tuned and please subscribe so you do not miss a single episode!!
To learn more about Doug Marcaida please visit his Facebook page: / kuyadougmarcaida
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[@davidkelley125]

I am a dual service vet, USMC & USCG with 20 yrs service. Your videos are very informative and to the point. One cannot never stop learning, if you keep an open mind. Keep up the good work. Semper Fi, Semper Piratus.

[@luckydud55]

My new favorite series on YT!! please keep the series alive.

[@knifeNguns]

Possible scenarios: 1)Knife from concealment and gun from concealment at arm reach or just over arms reach apart. 2)Same as last only exposed holster (think officer having conversation with civi and he pulls a knife). Also, I know you're trying to keep it elite vs. elite, but very seldom is that the way it works out real world. If you could incorporate small groups into the equation it would be quite interesting. Say maybe 3 guys (1 or more concealing a knife) confronting Zero. Or something along these lines. Great series, glad you guys are keeping it going!

[@Dudebrotheguy]

I would like to see a scenario of a crowded area, where the guy with the gun needs to defend from a knife attacker(or just a sharp object), but he has no idea how the attacker looks like(think about a police officer in a bad neighborhood)

[@GaudencioJRLingamen11754]

Thanks for this video! I've shown this to my fellow practical shooters who've never known about the 21-ft. rule. In our country a lot of gun owners lack proper training & some are too confident having a gun for self-defense.

[@MusashiSolid206]

when somebody charges me from behind with a knife i just fart as hard as i possibly can, due to my potent diet solely comprised of refried beans, kimchi, corned beef and pbr the attacker always stops dead in his tracks. yes, sometimes i shart myself and i have to throw my boxers away, but its a small price to pay when my life is on the line.

[@LanceDStone]

I am really glad that this series will continue. As someone from both camps it is an interesting thing to see where can I have an actual advantage using different weapon.

[@MrJujitsu62]

This series is great. 99% of the population have absolutely NO idea of how dangerous a guy with a knife can be. A cop in Toronto shot a crazed kid with a knife who was on a street car & the public want to lynch him. No rolling to the side for him if he were on that car confronting the guy with the knife. Keep up the good work.

[@destroyka777]

I fucking knew it! I said as much on the first vid, a dive roll can change the circumstance completely, because as they showed, it completely changes your location and level very very quickly, and even marcaida couldn't react fast enough to re-engage. Doesn't have to be a dive roll, either, just anything that changes positions quickly, and the attacker, whether with a gun or a knife, will have a difficult time re-engaging effectively. Thanks for these vids, guys, and I'm glad the series will be continuing.

[@ensampojken]

However, I'd like for Doug to have gone all out. It felt as (in the dive roll bit) he just kinda stopped sloppy and didn't go for Zero rolling, but it's hard to tell from the video.

[@xXJeReMiAhXx99]

Daumier would kinda be cheating tho imo if he was expecting the roll he could time perfectly to stab him in the back during the roll. but being that he supposedly doesn't know what to expect there is no way he would react in time,

[@martinzamora7642]

This is honestly a FUCKING EPIC SERIES . I love how both men respect each others opinions, but still have valid arguments on both sides . BEAST MAN .

[@ShareTheLightTV]

I enjoyed how you expanded on the concept, but I would like to see if Zero can explore easier maneuvers to avoid being stabbed. These movements seem to be the most effective way to deal with the situation, but they're difficult to learn and unrealistic for people with disabilities such as *****. Funker Tactical - Gun & Gear Videos you guys did a great job opening what seems like an entire new mix of gun fighting and martial arts. I would love for Zero to explain how this can be used by the average concealed carry holder. Thanks again for the great videos!

[@zacklawson2175]

M.O.V.E = motionless operators ventilate easily. Move your ass~ James Yeager

[@zacklawson2175]

Although the rolling away looked cheesy, I could imagine doing that and rolling right over a stone....painfully thought and not needed in a life or death fight

[@SneakyB]

Get off the X. Human eyes are good at tracking horizontal and vertical movement but aren't good at tracking diagonal movement. Another way is to use distraction ie. throwing everyday objects at the attacker's face then presenting the firearm while moving diagonally or sideways.

[@zacklawson2175]

sneakyb like throwing that Starbucks coffee you got 5 min ago at your attacker.

[@ShareTheLightTV]

Lawson dang it I need to stop getting frappé chinos then!

[@LeandroDelSanto]

Possible Scenarios: 1- Gun man protecting someone else (like his wife or a v.i.p) from the atacker. 2- Drawing pistol inside a car (like was done with karambit, i loved that btw). I wondering if is better have a gun holstered or keeping it hanging on the seat or somewhere of a car. 3- Drawing pistol on a motorcycle. 4- Knife guy reactin a frisk situation. Swiss knifes was a trouble to a cop shaking somebody down, it would be interesting see how Zero deal with this. 5- sitting across a table This channel rocks, keep the good work and forgive my bad english LoL

[@patriotcustomsllc]

What video editing software is that?

[@scatcrank]

If this channel did a give-a-way training with either/both of these guys your subs would jump like crazy...I would really like some training by these pros, I am not even a novice but some training is better than none.

[@TJackSurvival]

Ya I don't know what Doug was thinking. He moved slowly and in a straight line. Holly crap man adjust to the left and hit him as he rolls. In Kali you would adjust as he moves or use a fake with a redirect. This is just what happens in Kali. Why wasn't it shown? I am a knife and a gun guy equally so I am indifferent, but I want Kali represented, and I know Doug can bring it. But this wan't it.

[@TomPuppetmaster]

Two ideas for the next set of videos: 1) Super close quarters (ex. in an elevator or an enclosed staircase) 2) As a person is answering a door

[@mikemccauley8089]

These guys are awesome! Bucket list to train with inst zero. Gotta start saving. How lucky all of us are all of you guys take the time and money to do these videos for all of us. Outstanding!!

[@Llama212ify]

Awesome! Thanks for posting these guys.

[@BeachChicken231]

Would love to see this done in a crowd of people where Zero has to identify the attacker (doug) moving through a crowd towards a target. Great series guys!

[@OneTonneNoodles]

This is a wonderful series. It shows that each methodology of combat have their own applications and limitations. It also shows how we can't be absolute to one form.

[@jehjeh37111]

"The Best Defense Is No Be There" -Mr. Miyagi

[@johnawalker3434]

I love it. I teach Taijutsu/Ninjutsu and some of our Muto Dori (Unarmed against sword) has different rolls and leaps to escape but roll and/or leap back in to disarm. We also use gun tactics such as those plus how to use Kamae (Stances) to scan areas with quick no stepping movements and so on. Dive rolls for/with weapons plus the traditional knife fighting/disarming and gun fighting/disarming. Very fun stuff. Awesome video.

[@nationaalherstel7444]

Pure awesomeness, I'm looking forward to the next episode! My suggestion: it would be interesting to see, how knife throwing would work out. When zero switch levels, it seems posdible to throw the knife in his direction. It's a risk to lose your weapon, but in a life-/dead situation, everything needs to be considered. Keep the good stuff going guys! Greetings from a fan from the Netherlands!

[@Karydman]

This is like Assasins creed vs. Call of duty😂 Awsome vids btw! :D

[@mosin9105]

Excellent series. We do not always have the luxury of an attacker with an edged weapon being 21 feet or further away when we initially identify him as a threat. And, not everyone can draw and get off the X fast enough to avoid being stabbed even when the attacker starts at 21 feet. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT! Alternative means of survival, like this, need to be explored and taught.

[@jamesvergara5979]

Thank you for showing this informative video. I get sick and tired of people thinking a knife can be stopped by using a gun. You prove that there is a lot of dynamics involved in attacking your opponent with a knife. It seems you have to do more training using a gun due to the level of safety since the gun trigger can be pressed accidentally.

[@WilliamFrazier1488]

perhaps one of the best videos i have seen on this period. bar none. thanks guys!

[@benercanlas7894]

this is awesome! they're both learning and enjoying their expertise

[@the45er]

Although I never anticipate being in a situation where I'm facing a guy with a knife, you never know. This video series opened up a new perspective on how to increase time from "the 21 foot rule". I'm 66 years old and it is doubtful that I would have the reflexes to draw my IWB weapon and defend myself within 1.5 seconds. I'm going to need to dodge and duck first!

[@Tousanx]

it's great watching two masters at their craft. keep these coming.

[@BrokenTiki]

I know this video is old and it is awesome to watch these two together. Only thing I would make a comment on is at 2:12 when Instructor Zero falls back and smacks the back of his hand on the mat. With gloves or kit this might not be an issue but if on concrete with bare hands (most concealed carry situations) it would be a good idea to do arms out turn palms down. If you have ever smack the back of your hands on a hard surface from a fall like that you will never want to do it again. Can also impair hand mobility from the impact. BJJ and Judo I was always taught palms down. Just my two cents for what its worth:). awesome video series!!

[@eddieknight2202]

I would like to see each one defend from a seated position like at a table or bar or getting out of a car

[@Wolfwolveswolf]

Excellent tactical moves with the Handgun to defend on a Knife attack. Thank You for showing this. Appreciate it. It sure is valuable tactical info to practice, get it worked out, and keep it in the defense memory banks for defending for such scenarios or where ever it could be used to defend from an attack.

[@kuneefay]

I would like to see a gun aggressor to a blade's man pov. To see what someone with only an edged weapon can do when being drawn upon or engaged in fire from close and even at range. Awesome videos guys, always fun to see two masters collaborate.

[@SmithShooter9mm]

Outstanding video and well thought out tactics. Thanks! I have to ask though...what's up with "Instructor Zero" what kind of name is that? Are we playing a video game here?

[@FunkerTactical]

It is actually his real life nickname. Numeric designations for joining a group, club or membership is not uncommon. He is "0" because he was the founder. And also the phonetic sound of the word "Zero" has an audible resemblance to his real name. It also denotes the amount of f@#*s given at any time.

[@SmithShooter9mm]

LOL, sounds good to me. Thanks for replying and thanks for all the great videos. Keep them coming guys!

[@seth9671]

Funker Tactical - Fight Training Videos Love your explanation especially the last part

[@drakelar1957]

Because you press '0' for an Operator

[@ItaLiaNKiinG94]

NICE

[@Khamis1203]

Now show it without slowing down......the guy draws fast and moves good but the guy with the knife is def not trying unless he somehow cant move is arm from the position he goes in at....

[@tribucebu]

xomiakas ...and a real knife!

[@ayoubbelaimach7368]

lol I don't think you know the weight of that knife , even a small knife will be hard to change it position if you are going at max

[@PLONG12345]

Khamis1203 consider the fight without any weapon I think guy who trained with knife fighting won

[@bkj427dvl]

Khamis1203 the guy with the knife is Doug marcaida he's forgotten more about knife techniques then you will ever know bud. Doug doesn't fake anything and neither does zero. close quarters with the marcaida system and you'll never get out ta the holster that being said give zero anything more than 7 yards and your a dead man walking

[@ghosthand3of9]

Great video. Lots to learn. I think it also shows that specific training can make a difference, both for gun and knife.

[@KeatonEggleston]

I love this series for two reasons. 1 It's awesome, and 2 it will be what I refer people to who don't carry condition one.

[@RafaelLupo]

Instructor Zero is so badass! Nice video, keep em coming!

[@elekonas]

What if u jump from a bit higher on an unexpecting gunman... He wouldn't be able to hear the footsteps coming. It would be cool to see how he would manage that situation. Just a suggestion of coarse.

[@dfirth88]

This is great. Just watching these two work like this is fascinating. I'd love to see them perform drills in a crowded environment and see how that changes the entire dynamic. Subbed and liked.

[@TheLateBoyScout]

Such a cool series. Really enjoying it.

[@EnKraftigBlatte]

We really appreciat this pls keep up with this! Regards!

[@JSMcustoms]

One thing I saw that's not covered is one of the two people on a flight of stairs. This could make a big difference. I see this as a very possible situation.

[@johns9652]

Yes, %100 agree. I have been in this position as a pizza delivery driver back in the early 2000s. I ended up in a 'Mexican standoff' when 2 wouldbe robbers entered the first floor landing of an apartment building while I was on the second landing. I was knocking on the door of the customer when they entered and demanded money. They had a gun, and robber 1 (with the gun), said 'gimme your money'. I was familiar with the building, and had construction experience. I knew the steps were concrete. So I retreated around the corner, using the landing switchback as cover. I said 'no' and started banging on the customer's door like I was trying to raise the dead. This went on for a minute or so, and the customer appeared to maybe not be home, or asleep-so I started banging on every door I could reach without giving up my position of cover (4 apartments per landing, I really only had 2 doors to choose from without giving up my advantage). Robber 2 was actually getting discouraged, and told robber 1 let's just leave and go get somebody else. I had predetermined in my mind, that if they came up the stairs I was going into full-on fight mode (6' 225lb ex-Marine) I contemplated many scenarios, mostly drop kicking or diving down the steps onto them to engage hand to hand. But things continued with them being undecided, and me pounding on doors. Finally the neighbor (not the customer) opened up to demand what all the noise was about. He let me in and called 911. Using his peephole, he observed them fleeing the scene. We both sheltered in his apartment, laying on the floor in case they came back and opened fire, until the police came. Just for the record, I'm a white dude, and the neighbor was a black dude-in this era of 'defund the police', I feel obligated to say, that black man just may have saved my life that day. What happened to 'can't we all just get along?'

[@jpeod7385]

TOP notch individuals + no BS = AWESOME

[@justingonzales1323]

I myself am a knife fighter I've studied seven different forms of knife fighting and i have been a practitioner for a little over 14 years and i see many flaws in the gun fighters techniques cause it shows the knife fighter as an average Joe schmo, my point is even though you're skilled with a gun or skilled with a knife don't ever underestimate anyone. Because skill can create arrogance and arrogance can get you killed.

[@chasa4347]

amen to that, I worked in a bar in the 80's and one of the customers was a guy probably 130# soaking wet, who was a golden gloves champ, and several much bigger guys got a butt kicking messing with him. As you say, never underestimate anyone.

[@franklysharp3977]

This is also a good example of a gun fighter who is gun focused. His response is "go for my gun, go for my gun, go for my gun." I'm not saying it's good or bad, but there are other options, maybe better, maybe not. And I would like to see what happens of the knife guy pursues and attacks with relentless murderous intent. Chases the gun guy if he changes direction, crashes him if he goes to ground. Good stuff, great videos.

[@alvinjones6856]

+Frankly Sharp true... it would always be bad to have a determined guy run at you...unless you hit his brain or something he would stab you...this close the two guys are trying to hit the other one and hope they get something so the other guy dies before fataly wounding them.... :(

[@daedrick]

May I suggest that next time these two meets, perhaps place them in situations where both have and dont have any advantages. For instance, zero is house clearing and doug is somewhere inside waiting to strike. Or both go to the corner store and one of them rob the place while the other have to stop him. Or in an alley... Pit them in realistic scenario both with objectives to achieve. Thats what I mean.

[@bryancastro265]

I think it would be good to test situations where Doug tries to sneak up on Zero. The whole 21 foot rule I think still applies in cases where the gunman is surprised and (like law enforcement) trained to respond and draw their weapons in a specific manner. In any case, props to both men for their exploration of this important topic. Also, cherishing the couple years I was able to train with Doug in the 90's! Long time ago, but glad to see him move to bigger and better things.

[@mhsr2001mh]

Awesome series guys will watch as many as u post!!

[@moonpieface7627]

really looking forward to this series. can't wait to see what these masters end up creating.

[@Fossilproduction]

Here's what I want to see. Multiple knife attackers with adequate skills. How to react when a knife attacker gets a knife to your throat from behind, firearm malfunctions. Revolver usage, and home defense with a knife vs. an intruder with a gun and with a gun vs. an intruder with a knife. These videos are excellent and I look forward to the next.

[@patriot2667]

I have taken martial arts before and all of zeros falling are entry level break falls taught to white belts . But being used as a black belt . These two men are awesome. Great way to think outside the box love it

[@ARshooterMR556]

F'ken awesome!!! Please keep these type of videos coming. Thank you.

[@drewnut]

I do like the discussion and honesty this series brings. one thing that seems to be forgotten with the invented 21 foot rule is that you can fire your weapon with one hand while controlling a knife temporarily with the other (you will probably still get cut but hopefully not fatally). knife needs momentum and precision whereas gun only needs precision.

[@bkj427dvl]

great series from two amazing instructors, me and my roomate go back and forth on kvg

[@davidfarber2210]

There is another good video which I will try to find that shows that lateral movement is the best way to survive a knife attack. The average person with a gun will freeze and get stabbed before he can react. A person with a knife is my worst fear to defend against. Good series guys keep em coming.

[@Mojoman57]

This is why you carry a gun and a karambit. Don't touch me.

[@DJRD555]

woooh awesome series shows situations id never get to see :D

[@icepakt]

Awsome serie !! can't wait for the next episode

[@stevenbazinet3404]

Where can i watch the whole series? I have looked everywhere for it.

[@GunnerBob92]

This is really good stuff. keep it up, love you guys. Might be the only canadians i'll ever listen to

[@bigburr]

New sub and not sure if its been covered but what about throwing knives or shuriken

[@SilkDomi]

Best series on youtube!!!

[@TheZohansolo]

Awesome series. Can't wait!!

[@KamiKaZantA]

I have no training with weapons of any kind, nor a particular interest in them. BUT! It's always cool watching clearly very skilled people demonstrate what they know and what they can do.

[@Dogeggz]

Great series, thanks Funker, all of you gun OR knife guys should be training with gun AND knife, both have their strengths and weakness.

[@TurboMitsubishi]

Every weapon has a purpose advantage and draw back, choose wisely. Personally I lawfully carry multiple.

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

Same here.

[@invitetheworldin]

Great new series. Hope to see more. Keep em coming.

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

The falling on the back and kicking with the legs to buy a second or two to get your gun out is actually a pretty clever thing. So is diving and rolling out of the way while drawing. Pretty cool I never would have thought. I always thought if a guy pulls a knife you're screwed lol

[@bryancastro265]

One other observation is the the relative skill level requirements are much different. The knife wielder doesn't have to be a high level expert to pull off what he's trying whereas the person with the gun (at close range) would have to be a relatively higher level. Of course, the further the distance, the lower the skill level required for the gunman.

[@CroRalja]

just keep making this great series guys

[@SDK2584]

Very interesting stuff! These techniques are quite advanced. I was thought that anything closer than 21ft (give or take...), you don't even go for your gun but take your chances in hand-to-hand combat.

[@djangounchained2562]

i really enjoy all your videos man! keep it up! God bless you!

[@3006USMC]

Im 500 for thumbs up!! This is the most realistic training vids ANYWHERE... More .

[@roninart7094]

Great series of vids, I remember watching that episode of Mythbusters and finding fault with the methods used . If someone is rushing at me with a knife there is no way I'm not moving it's only common sense.

[@anarchyghost704]

Sitting side by side like on a bus or train subway like lets say the guy beside you is getting off the bus and he decides to rob you on the way out with his knife you don't know what's coming but soon as he stands up he draws his knife .

[@ItaLiaNKiinG94]

He's close enough for a knife disarm or wristlock.

[@ShawarmaFarmer]

Is it possible to use a unloaded firearm as a medium or CQB club/weapon etc

[@RobertOgilvie]

Thanks for the great vid, guys!

[@GODSAVERSHOTGUN]

Great idea this series. Two experts showing the best of their arts. I think that creating the distance is the objective for the gun fighter. I came from martial arts, so You learn how to not be trapped on the ropes. I think that using some of this boxing techniques will allow to be out of the way of the knife. Congrats to all, to Doug, to Zero, to everybody of FUNKER TACTICAL channel ! Regards from Brazil.

[@CKaison1966]

Stealth [aka hiding] or ambush is one way to point out that a knife attacker have the advantage. Rarely you see a person would pull out a knife several feet away to strike. We have to think also that a "knife" is meant for concealment for the expert and not to be shown. Thanks for the video.

[@3rdeye7thdimension]

Utilizing a coat against the pistol fighter or knife fighter, like throwing it on their hand or face. each fighter approaching a blind corner weapon retention for each engaging from behind low cover. utilizing light and shadow; the gun fighter would have a worse problem pinpointing the opponent if the knife fighter had a light source between them, or in the gun fighters eyes. EXCELLENT VIDOES!

[@M1L03]

Great series guys, I love it! This is totali changes perspectiv not in just K v G fights, but in a lot of diferent sitatins also. My question: What if a person tries to throw knife? From what I've heared it is a bit faster to pull out knife and throw it than pull out a gun, lode it and shoot.

[@MrGrayjk]

Idk if it's been addressed or not (and I may be wrong) but it seems that it's centered around defending against knife, if you have a gun. How about defending against a gun, if all you had is a knife. Example: Conceal carry (gun) is prohibited on the property where you are so you have a knife and a bad guy with a gun tries to rob or kill you. I like how it is now because I carry concealed (gun), but I think it would be beneficial both ways. Awesome videos and amazing people that you all have on all the subjects btw. Love it!

[@allstargamerkaly]

Really cool videos. Enjoy everyone of them. Thanks a lot

[@ccheartbroken]

How about throwing knives, spikes, etc. How do you respond when your back is turned to that?

[@Glockman5000]

Awesome series, Please keep it up.

[@animistchannel2983]

The 7-meter rule (and "back in the day" I showed law officers it could be over 10 meters because of dive-rolling) was the product of an era where lawmen were generally counting on the symbolic intimidation factor of having a firearm theoretically available to keep people from charging them, which is a horrible misnomer. In the last quarter century, smart officers have learned about grappling, distancing, and smothering techniques, so this whole thing should be a bit of a dinosaur. Still, it is important for each generation of guardians to recognize and train in these principles. If you want to go home to your families after each shift, you should pay attention to what is described in this series, and take extra classes in CQC & martial arts. Also, do look at the "Uncut" version of this workout to see several valuable analyses and admissions worked out. Also, just realize that if someone with even moderate training with a blade is going to come after you, there will be stitches. This is the minimal risk you take, so thank you for your service! Hopefully, there may be trained/geared citizens who will back you up in the moment, because this is also supposed to be part of the pact. Many developed nations have forgotten the value of "the militia" and "civil defense," and this puts our honored officers at undue risk in many emergency scenarios.

[@Zzfoto]

is excelent series, both istructors are masters.. (BIG RESPECT) and very interesting. Too bad many people comment strange and irracional and with dissrespect. Continue great work and with such interresting cross field techniques. Have fun, and thanks...

[@ephanhymerable]

EXACTLY! I'm tired of trying to explain these simple points to people!

[@HUNUffizy]

What?! You travelled all the way to canada, and that is the only footage? I thought you guys are goung to do ahell lot of different videos, maybe a bit longer. Anyway, I'm waiting for everything from these guys. No matter what they do, you can just learn from it. By the way, GN, please make Ryan do a first-aid / combat medic role series! That would be superb! Keep it up!

[@tranquilocomoelcielo]

I would like you tu explore this in a condition with people around, just standing there to see how this afects the movement and the techniques, thank you very much, this is very interesting !!!

[@A_SEGA_Dremcast]

Holy balls this is awesome. Oh and Zero kinda looks like Jean Reno.

[@tufftrucker40]

Thanks for the info i will most definetly incorporate the movement aspect into my own personal training, and that backward shooting that can be a lifesaver most people would try to turn toward the agressor and by then it may be to late

[@BurntBrian]

Awesome video like always! So I guess that myth is put to rest. I agree with others here... Zero & Doug are bad ass together!

[@AJCzarkowski]

Can't wait to see more of these

[@DOMINION4x4]

Thanks so much for your videos. Practicing these techniques on a real time and aggression scenario will give you the edge on a real life attack.

[@mosin9105]

Suggestion: Place no shoot, innocents randomly around the room to see how this effects Zero’s movement and his ability to successfully put rounds on Doug.

[@johannesalexandrius5749]

Doug and Zero....#UbersuperduperBADASS

[@elliottholland7968]

Awesome series great idea. What about a low light urban environment with multiple assailants???