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[@williamfalls]

ATD&D: "Everyone in this story was guilty of being terrible." Shopkeeper: "Why do we live in this world... Just to suffer."

[@cyanpompano8695]

William wins

[@xan7292]

Yeah, everybody in this story was terrible, except that poor card shop owner who got punched in the mouth. He was the real victim here, I'd say.

[@__-tp4tm]

The part with Munin was good, I'd say.

[@seacatlol831]

Poor dude, he did not deserve that.

[@willparry530]

@@__-tp4tm Munin seems pretty decent and had a properly heroic ending, I'd say.

[@__-tp4tm]

@@willparry530 Correct.

[@tatersalad76]

DM: *"NoRtH wAs A mArY sUe!"* Also DM: *makes a Demon/Dragon OC*

[@davidgreen9911]

Yeah and him calling North an edge lord. Talk about pot calling the kettle black

[@Scottishstorm]

Agreed. This was an awful episode with an even worse message.

[@dovakatjones2678]

Yeah and there’s a few things off about North as well yes he was cringe but it also sounds like he did not know how to play the game fighter with no weapon proficiencies at all that’s not a thing He rolled a 10 total =low dex He fails to talk to anyone= low cha He does no damage with = low str He gets one shot every his hit = Low con This all adds up to a new player he doesn’t know the rules or how to make a character If the DM wasn’t going to kick him out The least you can do is to help make the character functional Everything he Tried To do in the game had a high chance of failure which indirectly helped facilitate the Lonewolf crap because Because if you fail every time I try to help what’s the point of joining the party I don’t know the story is weird like the guy was a cringe Edge Lord with the character he wanted to make But he never really did anything to the party until the very end and only because that was sessions of Abuse So I’m calling it a DM‘s fault In fellow players fault we’re going along with it Furry Edge lord gets a complete pass if he is new and if he’s a veteran player he really should know better by now but still not unpardonable. Character aside

[@battledummie5656]

I think it was to show North that if your going to Edge lord, do it right

[@davidgreen9911]

@@battledummie5656 what about this story gave you the impression they were doing anything to actually help north out? Sounds more like the DM was trying to help his other toxic friends have fun by endorsing bullying him

[@TheZMage]

Having looked up the full North story, and assuming that the OP isn’t exaggerating, I’m a lot less sympathetic to North, but the OP still described themself and their players as horrible people

[@JT5555]

i'm surprised that anyone would even tell people a story like this about themselves. like,the DM does NOT make himself look good in this story and now pretty much anyone he happens upon that reads it are going to indirectly tell him so. i honestly don't understand why he would even make something like this public when he comes out as the worst person in a bad overall bad group.

[@willianfrancisco9703]

@@JT5555 He is a High Schooler, probably thinks he is right about what he did. Probably he is just salty about another dude being a furry as well and damaging the "furry reputation" that he worked on by being a "cool furry". That's the only thing that could make sense for me.

[@RcrcMr]

@@JT5555 Tbh, he may know he was in the wrong and wants to have it out front so it can be "done and over with" so to speak. Though this "north" (quotation marks because of the scenario) was probably a "young fur" and maybe hasn't really figured it all out. OP was definitely gatekeeping though, on both the fandom, and DnD. So yeah... Not the best. Also Yes as you could probably tell I am a furry.

[@darklusare7582]

@@willianfrancisco9703 or maybe some people prefer to tell the whole truth of their actions in their stories, even if you made terrible things too

[@willianfrancisco9703]

@@darklusare7582 I discarded that option, people that tell the whole truth usually have good morals or don't care about what people has to say. He doesn't look like someone with good morals, and for someone that doesn't care it would be weird to make a whole post for other people to read.

[@SunBrohan]

Well that North kid is definitely an edge Lord but the rest of the kids didn't help the situation at all.

[@SuperSylar]

Not in one moment seemed OP or any of the other players tried to explain the rules of RPG or how D&D work, they just let North do whatever he pleases and let him suffer consequences for "not following the rules" (which he clearly didn't know). Gatekeeps and bullies are perfect description for what he did, but North isn't innocent as well, specially the filthy room description...

[@yharleththegrandobserver236]

Its not hard to do a quick google search.

[@SpawntheFuries]

@@yharleththegrandobserver236 It's also not hard to teach someone the rules of D&D

[@willparry530]

@@SpawntheFuries It's also not hard, usually, to tell when a group doesn't want you to join, but this North fellow wasn't taking no for an answer. No, I don't think they should have bullied him, but he wasn't exactly smelling like a rose either.

[@SpawntheFuries]

@@willparry530 Of course not, everyone sucks here

[@willparry530]

@@SpawntheFuries Agreed

[@neobakuryu804]

Am I the only one who thinks these stories are more about just horrible parties instead of singular people?

[@JT5555]

humans are just the worst,anyway and only become even more so when there is enough of them in one room.

[@kaminablade1]

Yeah man everyone in this story sucks

[@crodthesorrysap4165]

@@JT5555 Have you not seen the majesty of the human strength "blinged" out wizard with biker tatooos?

[@davidwebb4167]

No, you ain't CJ, sadly. I really miss the more epic and fun stories compared to the string of horror stories.

[@LeonShuriken]

idk they were highschoolers, like i like to think im an okay guy but i know I've done some fucked up shit in highschool that I've regretted like almost instantly after it happened. This sounds like typically everyday highschool nerd drama. people are growing up in different ways some start questioning their roles in life, some go on a power trip to mask insecurity, they're brains are still developing all the while their contained in a building with other rapidly changing students who bodies and minds are also experiencing drastic changes. without proper guidance they just run rampant.

[@Scorpious187]

I miss when this channel told heartwarming stories about D&D adventures. Or even just D&D adventures in general. Seems like every story posted here now is either about a combative DM or a That Guy player and the stuff they did OOC to ruin the game. I miss the stories of the in-game events. (Edited for clarity, apparently I didn't explain what I meant very well.)

[@justinalicea1590]

Well, there are far more stories told about horrible events than there are about heartwarming and happy events.

[@JD-mh8be]

I love getting a mix of glory stories and horror stories but I can understand that isn't what everyone likes

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

You mean like the one where the assassin wiped an entire party because everyone else had it out for him? :D

[@Scorpious187]

I'm not talking about horrible events in games. I'm talking about the OOC things, the rpghorrorstories stuff... If I want those stories, I know where I can go to read them or listen to them. This channel used to focus on in-game stories. Heck, one of my in-game stories was *told on this channel* (the Swolebold video). That's what I come here for. A couple months ago they even said "We're trying to get away from telling so many rpghorrorstories stories" in a community post.

[@sturdyblastoff9300]

@@justinalicea1590 This is the internet, even if the average tends to be more horror stories there are still MILLIONS of stories that are actually creative and interesting. This channel chooses to show these repetitive tales about bad players/GMs because they are lazy and want to cash in on negative thoughts

[@H240909]

DM: "Hey let me tell you about this weirdo who calls himself North!" (proceeds with story and goes into great details about everything North did wrong) Me: Okay, he sounds like a pretty bad player. What did North do when you told him all this. DM: Um... what? Me: What did North do when you told him all the stuff he was doing wrong and how he was annoying the other players? DM: Well... I didn't really talk to him about it... But he did get super angry and left at the end so that's all that matters! Me: Yeah... no. Its really not.

[@ibrav7979]

Uh you should update that with yknow after reading the whole story cuz wow this shit is really weird

[@H240909]

@@ibrav7979 What’s there to update? One is creepy and the other is an asshole.

[@ibrav7979]

@@H240909 yea fair

[@angrykharnfrog2126]

Cool imaginary dialog

[@99xanthan99]

An absolutely worthless comment. Don't you think you are working a little hard, setting up that strawman?

[@CaptainHooch]

Classic story of why you can't correct undesirable behavior with bullying.

[@willparry530]

pretty much.

[@tristanpalin1333]

"He was banned from the store, dropped out, his life really fell off after that..... anyway a quick word from our sponsor"😂🤣😂🤣

[@MrSoup-zs4rd]

Yeah, this was the kind of video that the sponsor should've been done at the start

[@JeromeSkavenSlayer]

Oh no! ... Anyway...

[@Musashiditlapathere]

Even tho that guy was an asshole hearing that made me kinda sad🤣😭

[@dominion7363]

Perfectly executed

[@thefallenprince9929]

The moment I heard the name “North” my heart stopped. This is gonna be a wild ride.

[@jackmack4181]

Don’t tell me his animal spirit is Norm of The North

[@oldmanvox3897]

-10 mod for blue fur? >.> that's hate right there. Also blue is actually a better color than black when hiding at night. That's why old school ninja would normally use blue and not black for their clothing historically. Edit: all those defending the -10, keep in mind you wouldn't be saying this if it was a tiefling with bright purple skin. A -10 is on par with rolling 3 dice and taking the lowest result. It was clearly malicious. A Suit of armor is only disadvantage which is on par with a -5 statistically.

[@aidanjackson5084]

I thought it was due to his Rainbow Tail. Maybe I was mistaken.

[@bluexco]

Yup, from the start the DM didn't want the dude around. I get giving him a chance but this DM straight bullied North.

[@oldmanvox3897]

@@aidanjackson5084 Maybe, but... cloaks go over tails regardless.

[@redrobby9939]

Dark blue, though. The way this character was described said it was insanely bright blue. However it’s clear this entire group was a bit f’ed.

[@Steelstriker]

This story is very old and if you dont believe me look it up on the greentexts. If anything, North was cringe all the way and got what he deserved

[@pambronson4467]

First problem I notice is that a Chuppachabra is ok but a blue wolf is ridiculous? Sounds to me like this was a toxic group. North is a huge problem for his behavior, but the OP, Kel, and the others showed the worst of themselves by singling out North for derision and abuse.

[@_.-._.-Y0K0-._.-._]

There's no evolutionary- ONE MINUTE AGO it was said that hybrids were man-made and that there was a sudden influx of magic, the fuck evolution has to do with it

[@apollyon1987]

And the dragon demon

[@ermacmacro7136]

Considering that the DM established the Hybrids were man-made and then a war happened. It might be a safe assumption that the people who made the Hybrids tried to prioritize animal traits that could work in a practical combat setting. So being able to slink unseen and drain blood (like a Chupacabra would hypothetically be able to do) is more practical than a blue wolf with a rainbow tail.

[@_.-._.-Y0K0-._.-._]

@@ermacmacro7136 current military technology - robots - has multiple videos trying to look cute, imitating dog behaviors and dancing. You need that good old propaganda. Also you can bet there were at least some furries in the development of what's basically... real furries

[@ermacmacro7136]

@@_.-._.-Y0K0-._.-._ You are aware that soldiers have used actual dogs in war, right? To sniff out IEDs and alert the soldiers to not go through an area because it'll blow up?

[@JS-zr9qs]

I feel like there's an important point being overlooked by everyone here, even the narrator. These are teenagers. Not adults. As many twenty- or thirty-something year olds as there are who can't handle these situations well, talking like teenagers should do as good or better a job is a real head scratcher.

[@NessaEllenesse]

I would like to point out they started playing at school on their lunch break. From what I gather the entire party told him he was NOT welcome. North shoved his way into the party. Then again if a DM tells me a table is full I have sense enough to move on.

[@Zakiriel]

North was wrong entirely, but the party strung this out instead of just dealing with it at the opening. Gatekeeping has its good side too. Save everyone the time and hassle instead of trying to not be confrontational.

[@VacomaTeParjila]

"I'm dropping out of school to focus more on being a furry"? I'm not even mad at him, what on earth are his parents doing? They should never have allowed something like that and have clearly done a horrible job raising this boy. Tbh this story is so outrageous that it has to be made up, no successful real-estate investor would let his son drop out of high-school to focus on pretending to be a blue dog.

[@R3GARnator]

Obviously that's not what he told the parents.

[@JT5555]

i'm more interested in know what exactly his plan was cause outside of taking art commissions or making fursuits for a living (and judging by what we heard about his fursona art,THAT wasn't gonna happen) there ain't much else you can do to make a living off being a furry. i also wanna know how long it took for him to realize how much he fucked up.

[@R3GARnator]

@@JT5555 He never did. I looked up the original story. He got kicked out of his parents house for raping dogs. He found another relatives house to live in until he snuck into a wolf preserve and got mauled.

[@jaimesveale9253]

@@R3GARnator that's the happy ending i was hoping for

[@Samuraiedge2]

@@JT5555 It boggles my mind as to how much people spend on fursuits.

[@Dragoonichi]

after hearing this story i can safely say that nobody is the "good guy" here, childish spite, bullying and entitlement. i cant help but ask myself "why didnt a third party step in to moderate and engage talks between these kids?" i just hope that everyone involved learned a thing or two about communicating. But who am i kidding? both parties probably still think that they are in the right...

[@AmaryInkawult]

Yes, it's almost like teenagers are hormonal morons or something like that.

[@Courier-gq6ym]

Nah, North died after this and the party were the only people besides immediate family that attended the funeral

[@Mgauge]

North is annoying, but the OP seems more interested in having a punching bag than with trying to help him improve his behavior or putting his foot down for everyone else’s benefit. Just kicking North after he was disruptive would have been more respectful than deliberately making him the butt of the joke for the group.

[@Arcticmaster1190]

Granted, North did most of the work. His personality doesn’t sound exaggerated- rich, arrogant and insistent on doing things his own way, jams his own interests down others’ throats. Some things you pick up from initial introductions. And to a bunch of high schoolers no less. Edit: And yeah, North has a bit more of a laundry list after that. More of his story is told on Neckbeardia.

[@Mirthrall]

The DM should have removed North from the party after the first session instead of continuing to bully the idiot. Both are wrong, but the DM was fully capable of removing North and preventing it all.

[@smirk-in-progress4800]

Honestly, DM should have stuck to his initial no instead of relenting and letting North join after he moaned and groaned. I totally admit thought that saying no forcefully to people is something that is socially very hard to do for some people(myself included).

[@jackmack4181]

@@smirk-in-progress4800 toxic people have a way of returning when they are kicked out of a group

[@LazyKingAus]

@@smirk-in-progress4800 but no reason was given to not let him join just petty high school shit. The blue wolf was stabbed by a walking rat for standing out ctfu.

[@RemoraSeifuu]

While not a furry myself, I hold nothing against actual furries....but "North" in this story dropping out to "embrace his furry"......this sounds more like a mental issue than being a furry. You can't truly live off being a furry unless you are a pro mascot.

[@JT5555]

or do art/fursuits. but that aside,this guy is actually pretty common among younger furs (namely dumb kids that just got into the fandom and tend to do everything badly with it) right down to the bad fursona with the multi-colored fur (and being a basic bitch wolf) so the problem was more that it bled into D&D rather than just talking about it to people online or uploading his drawings to DA/furaffinity. it's only a mental illness if he never grew out of it with more experience in the fandom.

[@RemoraSeifuu]

@@JT5555 this is fair for the most part.... and then I consider something like art degrees which Is built to help improve skills like this to new levels.... But I do like this take on things as well... more faith in humanity than what I have right now.

[@Courier-gq6ym]

Good thing he didn't live off it then.... Ya know, cus he died, yeah he tried to jump into a wolf sanctuary and he got torn to shreds.

[@Oliander712]

It's called being a male prostitute.

[@aaronperkins2880]

North is cringe as hell, but I'd take him over that DM.

[@liamdalemon1525]

I love how the group straight up bully North and then the DM has the audacity to act like North is unjustified in his actions

[@bluexco]

Glad you said it at the end because I thought everyone sounded terrible in this story. Never once did the DM say he tried to help the player realize his flaws. Simply pointing out the player didn't have the right feats to dual wield would have helped. Part of me thought North was doing this on purpose to get a laugh. Sounded like the DM was too serious with North.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Also, I'm kind of new so forgive me if I'm mistaken but... He was only really a rules lawyer with North. He sounded way more lax whenever other players gave a half-assed reason for being able to do stuff like the several cases of people suddenly being able to revive other characters.

[@DBArtsCreators]

From the get-go the new guy seemed to be combative however (DM was telling him that his character wouldn't work quite well and the new furry immediately got a bit demanding/aggressive). Don't think telling him "hey, that's a bad idea" would have worked, especially with the "center of attention" mindset the new guy had.

[@cwxgames468]

after hearing the story, I wonder if North may have been having home life issues.

[@Courier-gq6ym]

Well, he's dead now, so doesn't really matter

[@pogggaming4470]

@@Courier-gq6ymwhat ya mean?

[@Galaxykuma]

@@pogggaming4470 Supposably he broke into a wolf sanctuary or something like that and got mauld to death.

[@IForgotMySandWitch]

I think both parties were wrong, the DM could have talked with the player and discussed what the player was trying to do. The player wasnt the best at all but the rest of the party didnt help either, they should have tried to bring him in better and teach him that its a colabrative game no one person is the main character.

[@aflockofconnivingmagpies3490]

Damn the DM in this story sounded like the real problem here, literal ring leader to the bullying and I'll bet he egged on the other players to do it too and idk to me it sounds like the north kid was socially inept but just wanted to make friends, I feel bad for him tbh and yeah no shit he felt like he wanted to make himself seen at the table after being bullied so much.

[@wavemaster4891]

The kid "north" in this story likely didn't have a good grasp in how to even play the game, and the dm didn't even help him get better at the mechanics of it. He let him throw stuff in places on his sheet that would not help him, then waited to see the constant results. A better person and/or group would have at least tried to explain certain things about the game. Not saying force him into a decision on how to build his character but at least make him aware of the cause and effects mechanically. Then from there constructively try to find solutions to any of the problems when they crop up. And if they are just two very different playing styles. Then break off from North and maybe even help him find a group he clicks with better.

[@starbolt0636]

North should have been kicked out after the first couple sessions. Sure, it's fun to pick on someone annoying, but it's not right to do so (plus, from a purely practical standpoint, it's a short-term gain, long-term pain).

[@LazyKingAus]

He was killed first session there was no attempt to accept the new kid. Glad he didn't off himself. I guess he got his fill in dnd being killed almost every session.

[@matthewshiers9038]

Okay, I'm writing all this as I listen, but think I can safely state that neither the group nor the new player were in the right here. . For the new player: There's nothing wrong with fursona inclusion if a setting can accommodate it, but it pays to learn how the rest of the group rolls and work with their play style, rather than against it. If it's a tight-knit group, don't go lone wolf without a plan to regroup quickly if the situation turns dire. Mounts in the wilderness and a signal whistle for each party member work well. And make sure that if you host a session that you make the rest of the group feel welcome. Be there when they arrive, designate a clean area to work with, and if you can't de-odor your room or find a place for all your X-rated material, lock the damn thing down or maybe even don't host in the first place. Being a furry does not automatically mean you get to force your interests on anyone else, not even other furries. . For the group: It's clear that this individual needed a way to feel less alienated at the school. He obviously made a few missteps, but that could have easily been the perfect setup for a redemption story in the game's first few sessions - use role-play to teach him that money can't buy you friendship, lone wolves or "lancers" as they're known in media tropes tend to get beat down a lot more, and that there's a time and place for every person to shine. Beating up on the new kid hurts more than it helps, and for all you know you were attacking an OC of theirs that they had become very invested in. And separating a new player from the group every time they died, which the DM allowed to happen constantly, cutting them off entirely from the action that unfolded - that destroyed all chance of them seeing how the party operated in the face of adversity. So, can you really be surprised if he continued being the Vegeta of the group by smack-talking the heroic sacrifice that he missed? . Oh, bloody hell. After hearing about North dropping out, the table-flip and everything that followed, it's clear that this was basically the worst route this roleplaying group could have taken. Again, I'm reminded of a Vegeta-like attitude from North, but take that scenario from the end of the Cell saga where Vegeta gives Gohan the opening he needs, and rewrite it so that Vegeta takes full credit for the kill, shit-talks Goku and the group uses the dragon balls to banish Vegeta to another dimension instead of reviving all the people who died to Cell. North was denied every chance he needed to grow as a character both in-game and IRL. . I know this sounds cliche and I'm getting the phrase from one of J K Rowling's books of all places, but this group and the player were both repeatedly presented with the choice between what was right and what was easy, and they chose poorly every time. I hope they all eventually become better people in the future.

[@taiga738]

Yeah. As much of a problem North's behaviour was it seemed like he needed help and the way people treated him just worsened his problems when it could've paved the way for him to start sorting himself out. Stuff like that generally doesn't happen in a vacuum and if the only people taking issue with him were bullies then he was never actually going to learn.

[@Courier-gq6ym]

Nah, North died and the party got over the whole event.

[@ezrafaulk3076]

I have to agree with the guy at the end, that they're *all* guilty of some pretty nasty shit; but for flipping the table over and punching the owner in the mouth, I'd say North *deserved* to be banned from the place.

[@JD-mh8be]

Yeah everyone in this story needs to be slapped op should grow a pair, North needs to just be better (this goes for everyone involved)

[@troperhghar9898]

The closest ive come to a "furry" story was in one session 0 one of the players suggested a "tabaxi suducer bard ... But it's a male tabaxi- so I'm not the furry everybody else is" we laughed it off and he picked a new character

[@draconicfeline6177]

i mean, would have held true if it was a female tabaxi?

[@willparry530]

Honestly, after looking at the comments of several recent videos, I feel like I am starting to agree with people that we want more uplifting stories and less of the RPG horror stories. Like you said, this was a case of no one coming out as the good guy except the one dude who moved away after his character got a heroic death, but we can find those anywhere. Please do more fun or feel-good stories like Astoshan, or the story of the dragon who was raised to be good against the nature she was born with.

[@deathfury4039]

I remember when this channel would tell of stories of great heroes, not huge weirdos…

[@feralguyver]

Huge weirdos can be heroes. Just not North.

[@R3GARnator]

Old Man Henderson is both.

[@Ilwenray85]

As someone who read the original story... where the DM says he enjoys "taking the piss out of newbies", that "lag-bomb" is a great tactic to use to teach lessons, how griefing is funny as hell (to see the random people affected pointing fingers) so they can tell an admin that the one to blame was "that tumor" so it gets banned from something he paid in advance... North was pretty much looking for a place where his fursona could not only be accepted but crucial in the world around him. Sure self-centered as hell but that was probably the only reason he even tried to play d&d with them. Write the story he wanted in a fictional world, where other people would agree and support it. Sure, that is not a collective story and was not going to work but understanding that it was a call for help would have been more important as it was obvious that he wasn't what you would say, mentally stable. I will be clear here: I don't believe the story is real because what happens to "North" afterward pretty much would contradict someone uploading the post and expecting it to be seen in a good light. If you know someone is having mental issues and have something to do with their later self-destruction (and they did) I doubt you would proudly say "and his father even recommended me for college" like North and his family are a bunch of idiots and he is the hero in the tale. Sigh.

[@amongmatesdnd-live]

A great opportunity lost. “New kid in town gets bullied “ could have been “The time i as DM helped a fellow furry that was new in town feel more comfortable” Ah well, maybe next time… never stop believing in your fellow DnD players! And if you can’t believe in them at least be honest with them from the start

[@wavemaster4891]

I see the same problem has rolled around again. No Session zero and no true communication. No one pulled him to the side and tried to tell that the other players are having issues with his play style. And further help him learn to amend these things. As for the session zero part, if he joined after the true session zero, then there still needs to be gone through again with the new player and have him add what he is okay and not okay with. If he is joining your group then he also gets rights in these regards. Honestly, after the 1st session where the rest of the group had issues with him, they should have talked to him and hashed out creative ways to go about it that wouldn't tick the players off. I'd like to say the player was terrible, but actually, the way it was handled was the worst part. This reminds me of a guy I knew during high school, We tried to hard to be super cool and center of attention and that was actually mostly due to his ADHD, and no one tried to make him feel welcome at the table. Sure the stuff he did warrant the response in-game. But no one reached out after a session and eventually, he stopped showing up. This was back during 3rd edition and gatekeeping was commonplace, and knowing about things that I know about now in my adult life I would have tried to speak to him about it, but I was barely knowing what I was doing in dnd back then myself and just stayed out of it entirely.

[@MyrrdynWhitefall]

As a furry myself, "North" had it coming and tried to use his entitled behaviour to try and force others to like him.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

North had some of it coming but got way more than that imo. At any point the group could've just stopped letting him into DnD sessions but they kept him around to use as the butt of every joke. They went out of their way in-game to give the impression that no one ever has or ever will like this kid instead of just telling him off in-person.

[@s12y6o24]

i'm a furry as well; but while North was cringey, acting out, and not really helping our rep; the DM(and party?) wasn't really much better, and seemed to be making things worse(they *really* shouldn't have treated him like that)

[@seacatlol831]

And the whole dropping out thing is just stupid.

[@josephmatthews7698]

Yeah how dare a new kid at school try to make friends.

[@LazyKingAus]

@@josephmatthews7698 exactly.

[@oldmanvox3897]

Alright so I'm going to start running a DND game in the comments. The first thing you notice is the motion; rocking back and forth, then the sound of wooden wheels on gravel. Your hands are bound and eyes held shut by some form of sack that smells of old produce. You hear the sounds of hushed murmurs, but can't pinpoint what they're saying over the carriage in which you clearly discern you've been held captive in. What do you do?

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

I wait until we arrive at the destination, create my character and run away from the dragon BBEG?

[@lynxk9372]

My chad blond viking warrior greets the party "hey you, you're finally awake"

[@JT5555]

annoyed (yet worried that someone was actually able to capture me),i start by trying to feel for a wall so i can use it to slip the sack off my head so i can look for something to cut the ropes with.

[@ShitpostingJoJo]

Yeah, i can see this is a clear case of: *"Everyone Sucks Here"*

[@dduncane]

considering the Epilogue of the story, nah, they were cool and endured his shenanigans for way longer than I would have. I don't care that the guy was a fury or not, he was just a douchbag during the games, and need help.

[@stephenmymomtoldmenottoput1459]

This one was really hard to listen to. I understand that they don't like North, but keeping him around just to bully him is the most childish shit that I've ever heard. I think that they'll regret this behavior when they get a bit older.

[@1973Washu]

This is what session zero is for , to filter out players that are a bad match for the group before they get too invested in the game.

[@xtrem5428]

"I'm dropping out of school to focus on being a furry." Bruh, what? I could understand if he said "furry artist", but just "furry"?

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

This story is awful. Not, like, your telling or anything. It's just such a human dumpster fire. North is a standard schmandard edgey player, but the DM decided to be a bully instead of doing the right thing. North may not be the good guy in this story, but the DM is definitely the bad guy. Sophomore in high school, indeed.

[@linda-0587]

The grade between a freshman and a junior

[@SapphireDragon357]

@primaacca Year 10

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Yeah, at first I was like "oh well, he invited himself in the game and you're at school so what are you gonna do?" Then they go over to his house and I'm thinking "okay, so you got the backstory of the kid you didn't like but the rank smell is too much so you'll ignore him, right?" But the story keeps going with them constantly inviting him to where they're playing just so they can use him as a figurative punching bag.

[@willparry530]

@@TheMightyBattleSquid Doesn't sound like a case of inviting him to me, it sounds like a case of him pushing himself in every time. Yeah they didn't handle it well, but he wasn't exactly listening when they first told him no.

[@R3GARnator]

This is only half the story. This dude plagiarized the DM's campaign setting, and eventually died when he tried to sleep with a wolf and it mauled him.

[@Arcticmaster1190]

Oh no, the story of North. I’m actually more on the side of the players here than North. North just did not understand the lore of the world and seemed to be oblivious to everything going on with the lore of the world. It’s one thing staying committed to your choice and justifying your actions but this guy… Arrogant (in and out of game), dissed one of the players on their departure, and given every chance to change- he took none of the good and didn’t shift in any way from his bad habits. How he thought of himself as a leader and a loner… makes all the sense.

[@wafflecon6029]

Yeah it’s not really gatekeeping if they are just completely fucking awful.

[@shadenox8164]

The thing is the OP doesn't mention ever actually talking to North.

[@Arcticmaster1190]

@@shadenox8164 About what? Expectations? North was still told by someone. The other people in this story are assholes, sure- though these guys are a clique, one usually speaks for all. North was advised to adapt to the world he was investing in. At any point, he could have told the DM or the other players “I think I want to make a new character. This one doesn’t seem to work.” Instead, he kept going with his own story, believing himself to be the leader. In general? They knew each other online that AllThingDND doesn’t cover because it is off topic to D&D. And North is a thief, according to OP. One small point I realized in retrospect- these are school kids, at least high school from what I gather. Being an outlier myself, school cliques are not known to be rational and from the time period (I’m presuming around the emerging Windows 98 era), they did not have the resources for assessing mental conditions, tabletop etiquette or even just the foresight of stories like this. They were the pioneers- they were also assholes. Welcome to 4chan/tg. Don’t get me wrong, I want to have sympathy for North. The tale, as written, offers me no sympathy for him, even stripping down the conjecture and sticking to the facts. You may finds some points to feel sorry for North here and there, you just won’t get it from me, unfortunately.

[@Manlio.Cipullo]

@@Arcticmaster1190 A thief... The rich kid is the thief, when the OP stated very clear that he was envyous of his wealth... If you defende bullies, than that means that you are a bully too. Quite simple... The boy had mental issues, it is clear as the sky, and those kids bullied him straight... IF they wanted him out, they just could have not invited him over their place, instead they went to his home too... They wanted someone to make fun of, and the mentally impaired one is the easy target for bullies... I truly do not believe that are people defending those kids, they were old enough to know what they were doing...

[@Arcticmaster1190]

@@Manlio.Cipullo I do feel sorry for North. He had problems. The whole group had issues. And yeah, I can be a bully- better that than a victim. You can at least bully other bullies that way. Moreover, I honestly wish North had a better life. But a tabletop gaming group are not trained therapists. This group being a prime example of that and the mindset that kids are going to know how to react to other like grown adults would is foolishness. To assume intent is your own personal bias on display. I’m not here to change your mind on the group’s perspectives on the guy I’m giving my perspective on the matter. North is not blameless. And if you take OP’s word that North just came in on the group, touting that he was the main character; you may also take that some of the claims he made about North had a hint of truth. You can be envious of a person but never want their life. I don’t get that feeling here that they bullied him for no reason, I suspect they reacted to North’s EGO with the situation. There were talks, you can see they did try talking with him to improve- North did not, and possibly could not. So don’t assume malice what could also be described with ignorance or stupidity.

[@SwitchBladeX89]

The DM and players deserve to have their D&D cards just as banned as North was from the card shop. The *ONLY* hero in this story was the Shopkeeper.

[@brandonolsen579]

Seems like North was cringey and socially awkward, but by no means a bad person. The rest of the party, especially the DM, just came across like jerks.

[@Manlio.Cipullo]

probably the boy had mental issues, there are clues even in the OP story, which is a biased point of view, but they acted so brutally that make me sick someone can even defend them...

[@theofficerfactory2625]

It sounded like the original poster had a grudge against his family with his quote on how his family moved to earn more money. If I could, I’d do the same! So I guess they used their prejudices against those who are wealthy against “North” but holy crap! That kid had some major issues! I am once again find myself disgusted at those fur suited weirdos.

[@Nyrufa]

I mean, North did have a point about magic being able to customize his appearance however he wanted. You've got spells like Disguise Self and Prestidigitation that could pull it off. And giving him a -10 penalty because of his coloration was just straight up excessive. You don't see other brightly colored races in the game like Tieflings and Genasi getting debuffed that hard.

[@ashleymay9839]

The DM really should have pulled North aside and discussed the issues with him. He also shouldnt have allowed the party to gang up on North like that. If you dont want a player at your table kick them, dont make them an eternal punching bag joke if they arent ok with it. Not that North sounds all that great either, but this just sounds like a whole bunch of people i would not want to play with.

[@LordTonzilla]

Jesus... that kid may have been an out of touch rich kid but they treated him worse than shit from the beginning. Shame on this party and DM for not being better.

[@serpentinious7745]

Everything about this story was disgusting. A cringy outcast finds a group of "friends" he thinks he can share his passion with. Instead they singled him out for abuse before he even pulled out a character sheet. The DM was super stoked to let the other players bend the whole magic system to do whatever they wanted, but North having dyed fur? * -10 penalty! * (the DM's Guide itself says that -4 is extreme and should be used sparingly). As an Aspie, I was bullied a lot growing up. And I can say from experience that bullying brings out the worst in people. Even the punch at the end was fully deserved, though it hit the wrong person (deserved, but not excused. I'd have banned the whole group). Maybe North would have been a problem player regardless. Maybe he would have started off bad before improving. We'll never know, because these a-holes decided in advance to use him as their personal punching bag.

[@Courier-gq6ym]

Nah, we'll never know cus he's dead.

[@quartzossie]

3:21 I may not be a furry, but I know a sparkledog when I see one. This isn't going to end well.

[@Zerus1517]

Wat is a sparkledog

[@SolSister10596]

@@Zerus1517 They’re typically really gaudy, overly-colorful characters. Rainbow foxes and such

[@shadenox8164]

@@Zerus1517 Eh some people think overly colourful characters are "cringe" so make fun of them which is just like, dude you're a furry too let people express their character their way, not everyone has to have natural fur colours.

[@thewolfstu]

19:06 Ok, yeah, now I am more so on the side of the DM at that point. Furry on Furry fighting is common, but throwing a punch at someone over a game? nah

[@godzuky2743]

This is less gate keeping and more a DM trying to keep things semi-realistic in a fantasy setting [while being a furry] and a "that guy" thinking that for some reason they can just get away with everything under the sun and not learning from the first instance of "oh hey maybe i cant be doing that here" that was evident in the very first session. The DM was bad, yes, you should never search to punish players. Unless they expressly ask for it by ignoring all the warnings given to them, there is no actually need for a dm to go out of their way for it. "You stare down the ominously quiet hallway, slighting raised bricks and several gaps cracks and holes in the walls, you get an itching feeling that something just isnt right here. What do you do?" followed up by the player just saying "imma do a back-flip somersault down the hallway!".... Dead, pc is dead, character is dead, if the player doesnt have the self of mind to pay attention to a clear warning from the dm about something needing to be taken with a precaution, they get zero right to complain when their character dies.

[@willropa4226]

I looked at the imgur link in the description. . . Found the aftermath of North. . . It was a mistake. The dude forged his parent's signatures in order to dropout, which for some reason they didn't undo when they found out, practically devolved into a stalker, did something to multiple DOGS that KZbin won't let anyone mention, and was flat-out disowned by his parents. OP and their group were toxic, but oh my god what happened to North was legitimately sickening.

[@mariobartolini2158]

I am not a furry, but i am a weeb, so i can understand the repulsiveness op felt for his cringe companion, if i meet a "that guy" weeb i would feel it too, but still, that was a bit much, just don't let him in, if he insists, ignore him, don't bully him even if he deserved it

[@jorgemigueltavares6041]

Sometimes, a simple “no, fuck off” can save up on a lot of drama. Antagonizing North like that isn't teaching him a lesson, it's just sinking to his level, if not going even lower.

[@lockwoan01]

Personally, if this guy tried to play as a blue-furred wolf in my game, I'd at least go "Um, you can, but given how it will stand out in a forest-type environment, you'll have to roll Stealth Checks at Disadvantage." (I mean, a number of armors in D&D5e have such issues, even if you get a background, or race, or class that's proficient in the Stealth Skill). Also, I'd at least have the decency to help them build an effective character to play as. After that, see what happens.

[@liamdalemon1525]

Considering you can play as a Blue Dragon Man without taking stealth disadvantage (as far as I know) I don't think any disadvantage is necessary in the first place

[@lockwoan01]

@@liamdalemon1525 You have a point. Still, a blue dragonborn might not be all that uncommon as it were, as there's plenty of dragonborn in general, so folks might passively ignore them, unless seeking them out specifically. A blue wolf person on the other hand, that might stand out.

[@shadenox8164]

@@lockwoan01 No offense but that makes zero sense.

[@lockwoan01]

@@shadenox8164 Depends on the situation.

[@detrik01]

@@lockwoan01 In the context of DM's setting, anthros are artificial creations by humanity. Not to mention DM's totally-not-Mary-Sue Demon/Dragon char. It just seems weird to have a setting where presumably most if not all furry races are the product of mad science, not evolution, to have blue fur be a red line. (Also, can you point me in the direction of the undead fortress? There's a necro-convention soon and I fear I'll be terribly late if I don't find it soon)

[@Dies1r4e]

this is why I always sus a new player out first, talk with them, tell them what setting they know that mine is like "like dude this is sorta wacky world, not really looney tunes but high magic and bright colors" or "this is sorta grim dark realistic vibes, got to track weight of gear and rations, sort of survival like, you like resident evil right? sorta that, you got fantasy elements but its sorta based in reality?" or whatever. it gets people pulled in, then you start explaining the deeper DnD stuff, giving you plenty of one on one time with new players before ever meeting the group, and if they don't or won't fit you can tell them politely, or even help them find a group that would fit them.

[@VoiceNerd]

I'm about to be at tabaxi in an upcoming campaign and I was talking to the DM and wondered if I should try playing a female tabaxi But he quickly shot it down and I quickly remembered why it wasn't a good idea. These videos are a good reason why.

[@JT5555]

why wouldn't it be a good idea?

[@Dagsmoke]

Man, just don't let him join the game. Nobody has to go through all that shit for no reason. To be fair the DM was also a huge asshole. This looks more like either the DM's fantasy of what really happened or just bad written fiction

[@LazyKingAus]

Bro the Dm is just bullying north. Like there is no need to put so many walls up for single PC.

[@thewolfstu]

I can't help but to imagine this derpy ass wolf dude just constantly fucking up and getting chased by mobs and I find it hilarious... Although... I do feel like the DM definitely could of taken things very differently, just talking to him more about it instead of just punishing them over and over. One can not learn from just punishment, after all.

[@liamdalemon1525]

17:55 ... that is the most elaborate team kill I have ever seen... also *DO* *NOT* *KILL* *YOUR* *OWN* *TEAMMATES!!!*

[@pogggaming4470]

So you hate pvp?

[@liamdalemon1525]

@@pogggaming4470 I feel like PVP can be done, but not lethally! want to have a non lethal sparring match? sure. want to physically stop your teammates from making a wrong move? that's fine. kill your own teammates because they merely disagree with you on something? well it seems you just made the stupidest move you could possibly make! Like seriously, what part of "collaborative experience" makes you think you should kill your own allies?!? your crippling your team's overall strength and getting nothing out of it!

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Yeah everyone is guilty here, but I'm still laughing my ass off at North.

[@CourierSixGaming]

Everyone was terrible, they should have just told him that he wasn't a good fit.

[@Arcticmaster1190]

They should’ve. Though they’re high schoolers, and probably didn’t have the foresight of that sort of thought. My bias is more against North in this case but that was a good point.

[@sushiwade4095]

I don't know, I'd rather take North than any member of that party, and then just kick out North if he surpassed the line. Very immature behavior from the Dm

[@hitsugatatsuro9978]

Yup. This was written by an American high schooler very likely. You can almost tell. Both sides here were wrong in their own way, but I'd say the more grevious of the 2 sins was on the group's side, particularly the DM. It's one thing to be unconsciously annoying and entirely deluded. It's an entirely different thing to be maliciously mean. A kid like North coulda benefitted from being told what he was doing wrong in general. A wakeup call, if you will. But no, the DM and friends were spineless jerks who preferred to bully the dumb cringey kid than tell him what was wrong and to get lost. Probably because said kid didn't have any other friends so they felt bad kicking him out. Ugh. Kids... So immature and feckin indifferent.

[@gungnirthedude5125]

Please tell me there's more guardsmen coming bro. I love that one so much . I watched the second one and now I'm like a crack head for those lol.

[@BOX_KNIGHT]

i love how the video is in a crisp 1080p even though its a few pictures and short animation

[@fm_0523]

That was the worst party I've ever heard of. PvP can already be a problem when it happens, but ganging up against one player, killing him multiple times and ressurecting him only to kill him again is toxic way beyond tolerance. Worst part of this, the DM approved and supported the bullies!

[@craigtucker1290]

The DM is actually far worse than the furry cringe character. The DM failed at their responsibility by going after a player he didn't like, introduced his own DMNPC, and then shows favoritism by allowing other players to ad-lib their own things into the game, but not allowing North. Everyone in this group was terrible, but the DM was by far the worst.

[@Patrious_WoW]

I made a mentally damaged goblin rogue for my group and the group was coming from all over, while i started out in the city digging through trash and when i saw these 4 people come to the city i started to follow them i tried to stay out of sight while following them and followed them to the building they got their missions from. as i saw the human point towards the woods i told the GM i was running out of the city through the sewers and make my way to the woods before they do to try and stop them because thats where my home was, a dug out hole in the middle of the woods under a tree, kinda like a foxhole and tried to defend the location then the elemental that was also in the forest started attacking the group after i bit the paladin and dealing 4 damage to them. and the reason i am saying all of this is that hearing this guys story am i one of these cringe players?

[@razminfox1787]

Dropping out to be a furry … as a furry I’m in shocked

[@radfarlander]

Why would OP let North into his circle? It seems like he wouldn't want people to directly associate him with the "toxic" furry. Distance dude. Distance.

[@Mokiefraggle]

Sounded more like North forced his way in, and refused to comprehend the "Go AWAY!" vibes.

[@devonmcdaniel1176]

As far as I can tell, the only one in the wrong is North. The DM had told him no, but he continued to insist, and not only that, literally continued to be a problem. Not helping in fights, trying to take all the credit. He literally described the character as a Mary Sue, without using the name. As far as I can tell, they did what they had to. I bet the character was Chaotic Neutral, too

[@cobblecobble7350]

Im kinda curious as to what system was being used in this story. the entire part about spacing into duel wielding with every weapon doesn't sound like something from 5E. If anyone could help me out here it'd be appreciated. Its probably a 3.5E thing but id just like to know.

[@20secondsofcourage1]

Bullied furry tries to make friends and gets shit on by more bullies who don’t explain or teach him to play the game. Don’t get me wrong, furries can be cringe. But I have a friend whose like Op and another like “North” but she got out of it after high school. Both are good friends.

[@Burori1]

Ironically, I can see how a blue furred beastfolk could be stealthy. Their people were made to hunt/stealth/combat during the night. You know, ranger style.

[@MrBardTard]

Yo, folks. This is only HALF the story. Ther is actually sort of a continuuation on this train wreck. It didn't get featured most likely because it's more about raw, undiluted cringe than playing DnD.... Short, TL;DR version North rips off OP's stuff for cringey SecondLife shit, GM and others find out and wreck his plagarized shit and get him banned from SecondLife. There is also an epilogue that implies North may have died after trying to force himself on an actual wolf....

[@kendrickrochelanzot2053]

Holy crap. I'd say that is crazy that last lart is crazy, but i heard if a fella who died fucking a horse when it kicked him Think you could link the post if possible?

[@clinicalcrimson1432]

The problem is the DM does the things that other “that guy” type of people do in other DnD horror stories.

[@randomcatfromnowhere6446]

Let's give the furry dm a credit for making sense because the blue wolf's fur would reflect the light and it would stand out of its surroundings because it wouldn't be great in stealth missions because of camouflage.

[@Aleister82]

The whole party and the GM are being assholes. North may be a rich spoiled brat, but from what I hear, he is a lone guy with tons of insecurities, that he was trying to compensate through the game (let's admit it, we all do that). But, for crying out loud, brining in a completely inexperienced person into a game with more experienced players and make little to no effort to help the newbie to adjust to what the game really is is purely stupid. Either the game would be ruined for other players, or, as in this case, the newbie would be turned into a laughing stock. It is a good idea to do some introductory sessions for a newbie to show, how the game mechanic and the world work. Also, a great idea for a GM to point out how bad the newbie is. Yeah, lets make it even worse for the guy. Never play with toxic players or GMs, guys.

[@detrik01]

And the whole thing about OP throwing a huge fit about North's character being unrealistic because of the fur color, meanwhile DM's character is a fucking demon/dragon hybrid with a fucking musical gimmick to boot. The biggest takeaway is that I hope North got some therapy or fixed his life, in the end. OP and his friends were fucking horrible

[@theincrediblefella7984]

yikes, i saw "furry dm" and immediately knew shit was gonna fall apart.

[@clericofchaos1]

Well, i can't really side with anybody in this story. They all did pretty much everything wrong. They shouldn't have let the guy force his way into their games but once he was there they shouldn't have just decided to make him the group punching bag. If the guy really comes from a rich family, he probably should have just bribed everyone into liking him and letting his character do whatever he wanted. Kind of like buying dlc, "Here's 200 bucks for each of you, now let me be the party leader with maxed out stats". You'd be surprised how far cash can go. The guy also shouldn't have dropped out of school. No matter how much money his family had, that's always a dumb move.

[@jackmack4181]

3 types of furries based on experience The sexual furry: that guy who won’t stop talking about his furry waifu and how he talks about his sexual preferences on animals. The one who is loves anime. The RP furry: the guy who wears wolf ears, animal tails and sometimes goes the full mile with a Fur suit. The cringed one and sometimes the toxic ones The general furry: the guy who just likes the concept of walking talking bipedal animals, he is the most chill of the 3.

[@JT5555]

you forgot a 4th type: the ashamed furry that tries to hide the fact they like talking animals (btw,they don't have to walk on two legs: one's like what you see in the lion king or bambi are called "ferals"). this DM is clearly one of those and he's a little bitch for it.

[@deepstrike9750]

The frist two I hate

[@JasonQog]

Mah just sounds like bullying to me, new kid obviously being depressed trying to make friends and instead of helping him they just pushed him further down.

[@GuyverLycan24]

Ah the north saga, you should have added his rainbow tail for the art here.

[@shadowofhawk55]

North sounds like someone I would have to refrain hurting for many reasons and the GM sounds like someone I would love to hurt mentally. Both are people who wouldn't last a session at my table.

[@kingwildcat6192000]

This reminds me of this one toxic scalie that joined my dnd west march server (my friend owned it.) We were a pretty open group all things considered, some people played as literal cats, kenkus, lizardfolk, taxabi/leonin and some others even a literal cat girl before using a simic hybrid variant race the server owner made to better work in the setting. But this dude was TOXIC, he joined the server and we thought he was pretty cool/decent all things considered due to him being a RPer. During the time when the dude was getting his character approved he saw my friends character sheet (he was playing a female barbarian) and literally said that this in regard to my friends ac "But who knows? Some GMs might let you make a really skimpy light armor from dragon hide that has high AC." even though its already like 19. Then after that he posted his backstory and I kid you not its literally looks like a cropped pic of a nude scalie from the waste up and wouldnt been surprised if it originally showed everything. We a slight issue with the guy in regards he kept trying to give dragonborn feathers as well and wouldnt stop arguing reptiles have feathers. Anyway going back to the topic the dude after getting access to the NSFW channels on the server and finally approved kept trying to push the boundaries when it came to my friends barbarian. One time he was rping in the SFW hotspring and practically tried to force himself onto her there. And after that he kept harassing my friend in the nsfw channels trying to get smut going on between their characters even when he got told no till he finally left. but overall he kept trying to make smut and forcing himself onto people in the sfw side of the server and kept pinging people in the nsfw side

[@neillindgren8992]

There were no heroes in this story, only villains.

[@Laoruperteen18]

This is what happens when you get a terrible person, and then throw them together with other people who are also terrible and dont know how to deal with other people properly, sounds like everyone in the group was an insensitive prick that didnt know how to act as a human being.

[@xtrem5428]

Sounds like a classic group who can't say "no" to a newcomer.

[@kcollier2192]

Have to say that while I have no sympathy for North Op and friends acted like petty, vengeful a-holes. While I enjoy problem players getting their just desserts the way OP went about it made them just as bad as North.

[@liamdalemon1525]

DM when Party member team kills: KALM DM when Both does something edgey: PANIK

[@toastsniffer187]

Im a DM and any time I have a player come to me with a complaint I take it up with the person that is the ire of the complaint. It generally fixes the issue in most cases and if not I ask them to leave.......its not rude to ask someone to leave that does not fit in the group. You just have to be......diplomatic about it.

[@HeroInHisHead]

OP should have just told him from the beginning he didn't want to play with him in his group. The desire to spend several sessions and long periods of time screwing with North was excessive and not needed. If you have the stones to bully your player for weeks for your amusment, you should have the stones to flat out tell him he can't join the group. Instead you wanted to pummel him first. North may be a cringy annoying furry weeb, but OP is a poor DM and he and his friends are poor excuses for people in this story and should be ashamed. Tldr; they're all shite

[@Vulpecula-Enfield]

The store owner was the only innocent person in the story. North is a spoiled rich kid and an idiot. He created a poor character and did not attempt to redeem himself, why his parents let him get away with it is unknown. I'll admit I made mistakes when I was first playing Dnd, but still none were anything that this party did. My Enfield (of folk with wings based on a creature in Celtic mythology) character accidentally blew up the continent I was on with fire-beads, my human character turned himself into a tawny were-tiger to better help the party and my gargoyle character skewered an evil angel in the plums with her sword while airborne. Like I said, looking back on it, I made mistakes but had fun playing with my brother and my sister-in-law.