Furry History | The Primagen & Protogen

[@FactsByPatches]

I remember I got full on attacked for having a lion animatronic character that "looked like a primagen"...all they share in common is a visor and plus he was made before primagens. I had many robotic characters before primagens and people keep making me throw them away and its really sad. I am going to try and get a primagen submission so I can officially have at least 1. Wish me luck!

[@pancakemotors23]

Nobody can legally stop you from making whatever character you want. I would simply use what I like.

[@FactsByPatches]

@@pancakemotors23 Fr and its like the prima wasn't original either, it was based of robo dogs which were around before them since about 2011 I believe

[@pancakemotors23]

@@FactsByPatches like my profile picture. These were Sony Aibo robot dogs, and they were first released in 1999. The one you see in my profile picture is the model ERS-210 which came out in 2002, so these predate primagens by almost a decade!

[@ShrrkB0rk]

Shouldnt a primagen fursuit be cool?

[@JakeButAwesome]

@@FactsByPatches i legit had one that looked exactly like a primagen visor-like, when i was 5, wayyyy before the creators even thought of them

[@dovewingandscarlet3918]

I’m not a furry but this is pretty interesting I think that this is my most liked comment, I know 24 might not seem like a lot but I’m glad my comments are getting noticed.

[@masterpingu5942]

alright that's great and all, but can we get an update since it's been like a year?

[@dovewingandscarlet3918]

@@masterpingu5942 I don't know me help

[@wherearethepotatochips1115]

​@@dovewingandscarlet3918 Can we get another update?

[@dovewingandscarlet3918]

@@wherearethepotatochips1115 I still don’t know me but I might be a furry

[@twinfantasytowers]

nice hornet pfp

[@invertedpizza7662]

I just really want a sci-fi movie with protogen's in it. Not exactly with them being the main focus but just there in the world. Like you could have one be the main characters partner or something. It'll probably never happen but I think it'd be cool and interesting to see them in a movie, especially live action.

[@ScarTheFur]

I mean if this fandom has proven anything, it is definitely capable of a lot of different things. Might not be something high budget but maybe someone will make a short film about or featuring Protogen.

[@invertedpizza7662]

@@ScarTheFur we can only hope

[@misterkaos.357]

I want an anime series in the 90s era artistic style. That would be sick!

[@invertedpizza7662]

@@misterkaos.357 ooo yeah!

[@gabrieleriva_bboykappside]

I wanted to make a little writing fun project about some. One character I created would probably be part of a side thing about space and sci-fi stuff of this kid who accidentally goes into space with a spaceship and finds all sorts of creatures. I love protogens and I am also working on an original species that grows its own technology molt by molt, hunted down by another alien species that magnetizes different materials. I get invested in lore and creative exploration pretty easily and I would really like to do something with protogens to be honest

[@Wayrail]

the fact that malice risu (who i, and most of us now refer to as Cool Koinu) considered making a similar but open species was so nice of them, thinking outside of the box to allow everyone to join in on the ZOR community.

[@ScarTheFur]

If the demand was so incredibly high, I think it was a good compromise while allowing her to keep the Primagen a more personal and exclusive thing. Not everyone is a fan of the closed species idea, but I feel like when something is well defined enough it's totally acceptable for the creator to want to retain the rights to it.

[@Wayrail]

@@ScarTheFur i couldn't agree with you more

[@bacoose]

Fun fact, Kaiborg made a ram cyborg as a project in 2014-2015 (which looks similar to how a primagen is), and then went on to making Ascii & Abraxas.

[@ScarTheFur]

Thanks for the info!

[@SimionescuNichita]

Thx!

[@alphawolfio]

Can't wait for a Synth video!

[@ScarTheFur]

I'll add it to the list. I didn't intent to go off a original species trend of videos but I'll keep going if people wanna see more :D

[@samtaysmith18]

i dont think you can hve one without permission from the creator or else it will be illegal

[@Menamphetamine]

@@samtaysmith18it’s not illegal

[@undeadknight01]

Informative video! I've been into the furry fandom for years and I'm still learning about original fursonas/species.

[@ScarTheFur]

There is a lot to learn!

[@vividplaysrust]

this vid gonna blow up soon

[@ScarTheFur]

I'm not sure I'm prepared if it does! I'm happy if people enjoy it though :D

[@Miggggy]

video not started yet but its probably gonna be another banger

[@ScarTheFur]

Hope it met your expectations!

[@Miggggy]

@@ScarTheFur very informative thanks ! new to the fandom so i want to learn about it and your channel helps

[@James-wd9ib]

4:42 apparently, Arcai is an upside-down propane burner

[@vylbird8014]

A sci-fi advanced space thruster thingie looks a lot like a photo of gas cooker turned upside-down.

[@ScarTheFur]

lol

[@PlazmaSilvaraGMS]

thank you for this Scar

[@ScarTheFur]

You are very welcome!

[@Old_Glory]

This video is so accurate to the protogen it's 6 minutes and 21 seconds long

[@ScarTheFur]

Lmao

[@Afishyfishyfish]

Here's A free species for anyone to use!! *{Moriax}* *{Appearance}* Moriaxes are a 90% robotic species, with the other 5% being an insect and last 5% as ANY species. Their head is an organic head resembling your chosen species, even A mix. (I used an axolotl-rhino thing) Their face is either 1 of 2 models. Model 1 has just a square somehow stuck on to the face, with a black hole where and organic face would be. Model 2, what my oc has, is a visor hat struck down to about the chin before fading. Same with model 1, where an organic face is a black hole. Now the torso. The torso is all robotic except for the back where it's a stripe of organic body, with insect wings that are translucent and can be any color, then to the tail of your species. The legs. Thicc. (Lol JK but my oc uses dem THICC legs) The legs are fully robotic. *{Lore}* These mostly robotic creatures are made by adding the robotics first. The insides are either module 1 or module 2. Module 1 is an oil-ran Moriax with tubes and pipes ran all over, with each part using oil as fuel, maintaining a system re-using the oil inside. Module 2 is an electric powered Moriax needing to be charged at least once a week. After the robotics, the creator adds the organics. (CRUELTY WARNING) To get the organics, they use the skins and organics of animals heading to factories. They stick it one and then pump in blood, only needed to run the brain that flows its knowledge to the technology in the body. The Moriaxes are factory workers to the Mandoxrians. (just humans on another planet) The Mandoxrians put Moriaxes through hard labor. If not needed, they are either transported to other factories, or ripped apart 1 by 1, even if the Moriax is turned on, that's how little the Mandoxrians cared about the Moriaxes. However, an error in the programing of one too many Moriaxes began to start the *Raxiinom Virus.* The virus made the Moriaxes aggressive towards the Mandoxrians, rather than to threats to Mandoxrians. As the Raxiinom Virus spread, so did the knowledge of Moriaxes. After a long battle, the Moriaxes with their inserted knowledge and weapons won. But even after Mandoxrians surrendered, the Moriaxes went as far as making Mandoxrians go *extinct.* *{NOTE!}* Please do credit me. You can use this channel or MAC THE CHEESE!!🧀, my PC channel. Also, you can just shove the credits down in the bottom of your bio or description, as long as I have mention. Have fun!

[@ScarTheFur]

Of all places to advertise a species, this has got to be one of the weirdest..

[@Ablixiaaa]

This was very awesome thanks for info dude

[@ScarTheFur]

Just part of the job :)

[@Ablixiaaa]

😎😎😎 that’s how the toasters roll

[@Spino2Earth]

Interesting.

[@the_dutch_toaster]

This just makes me wanna make a actuall protogen head thingy too bad i will most likely electrocute myself and i have no idea how to make that kind of stuff.

[@ChloeVFX]

:O Very educational! I just thought that Protogens were these robot guys that tech furs used! xD Great video, Scar! :D

[@Brachioplayz]

This needs more likes

[@HuyvtQuach]

"i am study my enemies history so i get to know their weaknesses and destroy them in the future" is probably the biggest lie i've ever say

[@obe_595]

I learned a thing!

[@ScarTheFur]

Daily goal achieved!

[@Rufus712]

when do i get vietnam flash backs

[@standpowers]

almost nobody makes primagen videos, why

[@ScarTheFur]

I just imagine the name isnt as common as their counterpart.

[@rubyrue69]

wow never knew about primagens..!

[@ScarTheFur]

It seems like a lot of people don't xD

[@protowarefuzz5894]

A lot of things don't make sense, yet they exist

[@numjro]

Neat intro! :P

[@ScarTheFur]

Thanks! I had it made by a former friend of mine.

[@deleter1823]

im probably gonna make both but if your making your own species ? wouldnt be something similar to this how people target each other ideas happening again

[@ShrrkB0rk]

Primagens are quite the big fellow..

[@volkinaxe]

good video

[@cskolid]

I can unserstand my friends roblox avatar now

[@Butlerishfox]

Never understood closed species, yea you can buy this character designa dn all that as completely your own oh but you have these rules since it's from my drawn universe and also you can't actually take it take it as your own it must stay in my universe or else it's no cannon, what cannon? Are you making a TV show I'm gonna randomly see this character as a background character for? Am I gonna get money for that since your using the character I bought in your media, I'm it's a way to make money from art but what a weirdly dumb way to go about it

[@ScarTheFur]

It's definitely a hot topic. I've never really been able to make up my mind on it, honestly.

[@clockcrazy8069]

4:27 This makes me feel bad for the proto 😭

[@Silverthesonic]

He is not escaping the conscription into my 23k Soldier stack marching into the dead center of Siberia (Eu4 reference)

[@clockcrazy8069]

Idk what you just said but okay! 🤠

[@Thing-b4the]

I did not understand you I still don't know what's the diffrence of the looks of the primagen and protogen

[@ScarTheFur]

It might not come across as super obvious at first but there are some anatomical differences. I'd recommend looking deeper into the official documents if you are having trouble.

[@heyer777]

0:35 gigachad frame

[@ihave71alternativeaccounts]

Ah, underrated... unfortunately this video is small (When I mean small I mean a small audience) though it may get recommended to others as it got recommended to me.

[@ScarTheFur]

I keep hoping one day one of my modern videos will get picked up by the algorithm but it always feels like a gamble. Just feels good having an active community no matter the size though. Thanks for watching!

[@Hallow1UWU1Boi]

i knew a good chuck of this stuff but damn now i dont know if my protogen is legal

[@Hallow1UWU1Boi]

not to talk a bout my oc lore like damn i dont know anymore :(

[@Hallow1UWU1Boi]

so i might be ilegal soo best to stay undercover :

[@man8814]

o w o

[@Christian-gr3gu]

I honestly still have no idea what's the difference

[@ScarTheFur]

They are completely different species

[@gabrieleriva_bboykappside]

/Design-wise One is chonkier and more boxy, the other one is smoother /lorewise One simply exist, the other one is an engineered biological species That sums it up I guess

[@harshthakur545]

funny video length,

[@bombsgamer]

Wait isn’t this just the plot of mass effect?

[@ScarTheFur]

I don't think so?

[@bombsgamer]

@@ScarTheFur lol there’s just a couple of parts that remind me of it

[@pokere621]

What happen now she close her Fa?

[@ScarTheFur]

They are working on a new website and are on a couple other platforms.

[@pokere621]

@@ScarTheFur thanks and send links if u can

[@KriegBrasileiro]

don't mind me I'm just studying your fandom to see if my plan will work keep scrolling the comments

[@ScarTheFur]

What plan?

[@KriegBrasileiro]

@@ScarTheFur the plan to make the good part of your community get less hate (I don't have sure if it will work it have a lot of fail points and my research is pretty slow and only I have the plan in my mind no one else know the details yet)

[@ScarTheFur]

That seems like a noble goal but a tall and difficult one unless you have a way to capture a large audience. Furry Fandom is inherently very diverse in both positive and negative ways. The ultimate problem is most people believe that some of the aspects are representative and misunderstand the core of the community.

[@raiseatimecubeeating1353]

Nice im a cat

[@VisorByte]

Protogens are epic

[@ScarTheFur]

I just designed my first one the other day!

[@VisorByte]

@@ScarTheFur Oh cool!

[@ScarTheFur]

@@VisorByte Complete coincidence but I also happened to name him Atlast, I just realized that XD.

[@VisorByte]

@@ScarTheFur Oh wow, thats neat lol

[@IamNess64]

Alrighty, please forgive me if I sound arrogant here, as I don't know much about this fandom in general. Could you actually get sued for creating your own Primagen head for personal use?

[@ScarTheFur]

In theory? Possibly Would they actually do that given the huge financial cost and the tremendous bad PR it would cause? Probably not Even if they did, it'd probably be very difficult. That being said, I'm not a lawyer :)

[@gabrieleriva_bboykappside]

I don't think it's possible. From what I gathered, closed species are considered to be something that shouldn't be used, or only under some kind of agreement (such as buying a character, sort of). They might get angry or "blacklist" those who break the rule, but they cannot technically enforce anything as long as they don't have copyright. Personally I don't do it for a matter of respect. By "closing" the species the person is politely asking me not to create that kind of character so I decide to do something else. At this point, if the species I like so much is closed, I simply create another original species myself or straight up create a character with a different name and clear differences that make it so that it's not a counterfeit version

[@ItzTheMemeLord]

I AM NOT A FURRY I am a PrimaGen

[@jerrymartin995]

Tbh if they make made and not a transcript by humans WHYNDOES THE F PPL THINK THEY GO LIKE [ooo a human (puts human in the body) ] it makes no sense right

[@Vipaze_The_Last_Titanfur]

It's interesting that the Primagen is so heavily policed, because under US copyright law it technically isn't even legal to make closed species. You cant own animal species like if you have a hyena Primagen you don't own "Hyenas" therefor it cant be copyrighted, sure the specific visor helmet if its one shape with a name and that's copyrighted sure you can enforce that but all this "Primagen police" crap is technically harassment under US law. (Expression of an idea can be copyrighted but parts of said idea cant be copyrighted, someone can't hold a monopoly over a building block of an idea.) - If people could hold that kind of monopoly, all the engineers along side me in aeronautical engineering tech at Purdue would be way richer with massive monopoly's over all the mechanical mechanisms in turbine engines. (We learn basic copyright law in are engineering course's since certain things in engineering can be copyrighted like materials, certain manufacturing techniques, etc etc.) - that's why engineering and chemical patient's exist, so you get paid for an idea but even they have caps on them, a lot of 3D printing became open source in recent years after the patients on the big commercial machines ran out on time and expired legally making it all "open source to sell".

[@zyngarde8239]

The whole primagens being "illegal" without permission thing is stupid. Anyone is free to draw and come up with whatever they want.

[@ЧуднойЛинк]

Am I the only one who finds these cyborgs kind of creepy? They look kind of familiar with mammalian and dinosaur traits, and yet there is... something eldritch to them. Maybe I'm just not very familiar with furry community, can't tell for sure.

[@ScarTheFur]

Cyborgs aren't *that* popular in the furry community but they do exist here and there. Most people don't seem bothered, but everyone has their own limits and phobias. I'm not gonna say what it is because I know some people on the internet would weaponize it against me, but I do have a crippling phobia of something most people come across in every day life. Protogens are much more mammal than machine, if that helps at all.

[@SMV-CC88]

Am i the only one here that owns firearms

[@ScarTheFur]

I mean I don't, but what does that have to do with the video?

[@SMV-CC88]

@@ScarTheFur I am just wondering

[@jebuscrist449]

Me and your mom love to bake she loves my homemade cream

[@melomelo420]

i hate primagens idk why tbh

[@Babakinha]

Fun fact: this video is Gay! (look at the url)

[@ScarTheFur]

Lol

[@Hundai2134]

Cringe

[@Fade_NB]

You really clicked on the video just to say that?

[@gaelrodregez321]

Yes no more protogen anymore

[@ScarTheFur]

No more?

[@Wayrail]

sadge

[@MrGamer-eu9ru]

Ew

[@epicfloppa.]

BROTHER

[@MrGamer-eu9ru]

@@epicfloppa. finally, someone with good taste

[@Fade_NB]

You clicked and the video just to say that

[@MrGamer-eu9ru]

@@Fade_NB no shit

[@YolkieYolk]

Make free art or die