What Even Happens in MGS2? Part One - Tanker

[@jimdiroffii]

Excellent breakdown. People aren’t doing this for any other 20 year old game, metal gear was always on another level.

[@kidkangaroo5213]

Silent Hill 2 is 1 1/2 months older than MGS2 and still being analyzed. You can cherish a game, without having to denigrate others

[@zedek_]

While Metal Gear is a masterpiece, there are most certainly other _older_ titles that are still analyzed to this day. Those others certainly deserve credit where it's due. Fallout, Deus Ex, System Shock, Planescape: Torment. I can keep going. These games, and many others, are still loved and analyzed.

[@Sh1ranu1]

This guy is also an absolute fiend when it comes to everything MGS and Kojima

[@cm93431]

Be great if we got remastered mgs2 and 3

[@spyrochrisgaming]

Final Fantasy X says hi.

[@MarioLuigi0404]

MGS2 was such a trip, I’m glad it’s getting the “wtf actually happened” treatment.

[@BlqJester]

Yes even after ending the games multiple of times!

[@o-REDBEARD-o]

You should check out. SuoerBunnyHop's breakdown of the mgs2 story. Its basically gospel in the MGS fan base at this point

[@brandbusters183]

Man MGS2 2001 Rain Effect still beat's a 2021 "Definitive Edition" Remaster Rain by a long shot.

[@johnniewaiker6203]

wasn't the original version even beter than the remastered version of the rain?

[@brandbusters183]

@@johnniewaiker6203 You mean GTA or the MGS 2 HD Ports who also had some Problems with the particles Effect?

[@CasualBMX94]

Funny I was thinking about the rain in this game and the waves on the boat.

[@ElricSowrd]

Not to mention MGSV's.

[@eyedine]

@@ElricSowrd mgsv's wet shaders are great though

[@ShrimplessScampi]

Will never forget beating this game on Thanksgiving Day in 2002 with my dad sitting there watching all the cutscenes with me. My mom walked into the den during a codec scene where Colonel was rambling about La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo and said “what the fuck kind of game is this?” and my dad and I fell out laughing because even then at the time we didn’t even know what we were witnessing. Playing through these games in my late 20s right now and I’m only here to say Kojima is the Tarantino of the gaming industry

[@AddaeAkono]

Nice breakdown of the Tanker chapter. It's amazing how they fit so much information in what is meant to be the opening act of the game. MGS2 was definitely ahead of its time. I'm looking forward to your breakdown of the Plant chapter.

[@masongraham]

This game is so important to me. Love hearing your take on it as always.

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

This game made me appreciate mixed medium art tbh

[@virtualsnake1994]

@@AdaptiveApeHybrid in what way this game made you appreciate mixed medium art?

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

@@virtualsnake1994 it was cinematic, had environmental story telling, the fucking music, dialogue heavy, etc

[@masongraham]

@@AdaptiveApeHybrid I get you. The music especially. That creepy menu music really sets the tone, that something else is going on that we don’t understand, the rug is about to be pulled out from under our feet.

[@Griffolion0]

I like to think Hideo watches all these and is like "holy fuck that's great why didn't I think of that" with like half of it.

[@TheInfiniteNine]

Lol

[@char4980]

wait didn’t he write this..? sorry I’m new to mgs but I thought he created the story?

[@fermentedfrank8]

@@char4980He did. He was joking.

[@Entertainment11777]

@@char4980 The joke is also that it at least sometimes seems like Kojima throws so much random stuff at the wall that people maybe draw connections he didn't even think of when creating it

[@PeregrineAnatum]

As a little trivia - Even though the guessed password for the terminal Otacon is hacking into during the tanker chapter is hidden by asterisks, it's more than likely 'Helena', his daughter, known later as Fortune.

[@Bori.1776]

As a marine, the thought of the marine corps ever having enough money to make something like that when we haven’t even moved away from m16’s is laughable as fuck.

[@baker90338]

The m16 has aged well for its self. When it started out, it was competing against AKM’s, ak47’s, and in the case of western items, G3’s, FAL’s, and m14’s for quality. It outmatched all of these by sheer weight and size (or lack there of.) The same can not be said of the m16a4. (Jesus Christ man, just put a m4 lower in that thing already!)

[@Bori.1776]

@@baker90338 I was talking about M16 A4 we all just call it m16 or muskets tho.

[@divecolosio4988]

@@Bori.1776 so, sir, what's your thoughts on this new next gen infantry firearm developed by SIG Sauer? Especially regarding it's new cartridge

[@Bori.1776]

@@divecolosio4988 It looks promising but there’s debate on either side on of there were better options or not. Regardless, we won’t know how good they until you have actual guys deployed using them for extended periods of time. At the end of the day what matters is: 1) is it gonna jam up on me after the elements have abused it? 2) how easy is it to clean? 3) is it durable? 4) can i consistently kill my enemies with it

[@Bori.1776]

@@divecolosio4988 Either way it’ll be a ways away before it’s distributed among troops and that’s just the army, the marine corps won’t have any of this shit till much later.

[@OmarO4]

This is my favorite MGS game (plot-wise) so I'm loving these deep dives that introduce new perspectives! Thanks for the great work!

[@Gregl337]

MGS2 is by far the best MGS story, closely followed by MGS1 imo. Such a mind fuck even after replaying it at least 30 times

[@snake7686]

I agree 👍

[@Enigma-rq9js]

i still dont understand anything

[@2adre]

Dolf also wants you to know that's Allstate's stand and you are in good hands

[@dhoulmagusrhapthorne9082]

Sunny is the way that she is because of all the tranquilizer darts

[@jordanwiese1943]

Sunny is the way she is because she was born and stuck to machines trapped in the internet of the world exploring she made millions of different discoveries which is why she's so smart but she lacked communication skills because she was hooked up to feeding tubs and Nanos after she was rescued by Raiden after mgs 2 octacon did everything he could to get her verbal enough to speak her improvements on her vocals came towards the end of mgs 4 and she opened up to begin her career in science in mg rising

[@radicant7283]

Underrated comment

[@PlebNC]

I thought the implication behind Ocelot stating he's taking RAY to the Patriots was that the project was instigated by the Patriots rather than merely funded, as foreshadowing to them being used to support Arsenal Gear.

[@Ikcatcher]

This is gonna be like a 10 part series knowing how crazy MGS2 is

[@Mister_BIack]

30 minutes long "Part one" By that math you could speedrun the entirety of MGS2 while explaining what is actually happening in the game. I love it.

[@knightshousegames]

I really wish they had done more with Philanthropy, it gets only passing mentions after the Tanker Chapter, like I think the only reference to it in MGS4 is the patch on Snake's tactical rig. It would have been cool if we could have learned more about it, or seen it grow or change during MGS4 in some way.

[@jordanwiese1943]

Philanthropy was created a few years before the tanker mission and ended at the tanker mission because of the Cypher that video tapped them attacking the tanker branding them terrorists for life

[@Mentis-de]

Greatgame with a dark and unique atmosphere. Visually and storywise way ahead of it's time

[@redielg]

Man, I never knew what ocelot meant by “i’m taking it back”. And I first played MGS2 back in 2002 or so. Nice. Thanks.

[@jordanwiese1943]

He did say the patriots 12 members all dead we didn't know what the patriots were until mgs 3 Eva big boss zero paramedic sigint ocelot were thr founding members and they created the patriots with the bosses views onto the world the patriots AI system and Nanos was created in the early 90s thanks to paramedic aka Dr. Clark Naomi hunters mentor that Nanos were created because of gray fox was used as an experiment before the shadow Moses Island incident

[@joshuapatrick682]

I was a recent HS graduate when this game debuted and it was a total mind freak…never played a game that broke the 4th wall so convincingly like the Arsenal Gear section of this game.

[@gt4666master]

Mgs, especially 2 and 3 basically defined me as a young adult. I was influenced heavily by 3, it was the last game I played before my mom died, played through3 in its entirety during a really bad flu during Christmas break in 2004(2005?) I'll never forget how impactful MGS was to me as a child, with the NES games, as a 10/11 year old with MGS1, a young teen with MGS2, a young adolescent with MGS3, never got to play MGS4 until adulthood, so maybe it had less of an influence on me; I'll always be partial to the first 3 games on the ps1/ps2. Thanks so much for making these videos

[@hands_media]

This game was formative to my politics, views on authority and reality....my worldview. I am SO excited for this series. I love everything you've done and I cannot wait to watch this entire playlist on loop as it forms.

[@heehomgee4671]

"Honey wake up! Futurasound is making a Sons of Liberty breakdown!"

[@harrisonmckinney7659]

MGS2, for me, is the most important game of all time.

[@bengalboypaco3140]

Same

[@Mnotfit]

Thank you for helping me continue my obsession with this series. Your essays are so critical, you should try to write an actual thesis and submit it to Harvard cause this shit is crazy thorough

[@mpsSalvadorian]

I’m glad people are coming back to these games.

[@heartbeatsdrum]

This was my first MGS I played and beat on the original Xbox. I always loved it and am so glad it's become appreciated in recent years.

[@TiE23]

I really like this idea. Give a heavy lore explanation of all the things going on. Even years of being a fan of the series this pointed out things I didn't really catch.

[@dailyjetboating3607]

In there with the post credits scene like a Boss Bravo 👏

[@cliftonsargent1572]

I’ve been watching your breakdowns for a week straight, instant sub after I watched your mgs5 video

[@arx3516]

Kojima is one of the few treating videogames as a legitimate medium for making art.

[@o_oro-q1k]

Well that's disrespectful to a lot of creators.

[@shazzar2569]

Best Metal Gear videos on KZbin. Keep it up, bro.

[@dondod1959]

Do you know how many analysis have already been made about MGS2? And still I watch them all, this is my crack

[@duckh0le859]

I just found your channel about a week ago and I've watched so many of your videos since. You got me to give mgsv another chance, and I started another playthrough of mgs2 yesterday. Your videos are awesome man!

[@ARIXANDRE]

Essays on MGS 2 have been done to death but it's always a treat to get Jorin's analysis.

[@user-em4ys4qm4i]

True but nobody quite captures and captivates the world that Kojima creates in each game, and manages to explain and dissect it in ways others do not.

[@haizedrazon8593]

Bro I love your channel. Always putting out quality content and giving MGS the attention it truly deserves. Thank you, sir

[@kalebclubb260]

Your docu-series truly does credit to the series! Kojima would admire your work ethic but probably hate you making the story legible 😂😂😂

[@Lucy_Ferrr]

That "20 years ago" hit me like a bus

[@royfromtexas6045]

I love ya for this man. Gonna listen to this on my hike tomorrow

[@-ASTROMAGIC]

I can't begin to tell you how much I've been waiting for this one

[@troywinslow4427]

Love the esoteric drop at the end.

[@KbutY]

I love these videos so much. Can't wait for part 2

[@chrysm6842]

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[@syynoflaw4718]

Pfft, the Patriots didn't even bother inviting the Air Force. That's funny.

[@timbuktu777]

My favourite MGS game. Love the story, gameplay and art style.

[@ezio4470]

Yes its Happening! This is going on my ultimate Metal Gear Retrospective playlist.

[@greenhowie]

I guess the cutter RAY uses would technically be called a wasem but "water laser" sounds better.

[@aidanklobuchar1798]

Easy to guess password? Three tries? Six letters? Don't tell me Scott's password was "marine".

[@zzzxxx4295]

MGS2, my favorite game of all time, this game was such a masterpiece

[@lvthn7732]

Another beautifully written and produced piece ❤

[@marknutt4398]

Dude kojima is so ahead of his time like he nailed 2018 In 2001

[@SpringHeeled223]

You don't know how long I've been waiting for this

[@ocpofficialrep7026]

i enjoyed mgs2 but as a kid playing it it went way over my head therefore i was disappointed in it. Now i'm 30 and have realized this game is a masterpiece and is very relative in the present time. Kojima saw the future great fucking game.

[@TheJade72]

I love your dedication to MGS2!

[@firefax69lol38]

I don't think I've actually been exited for a series more then this. I've been a huge metal gear fan for some time now but still I can really wrap my mind around what actually happened in the ending section of mgs2. Can't wait for the video!

[@TsiSiFa]

Oh hell yes, lemme make a coffee and roll, because even as a lifelong MGS player I NEED this video

[@o-REDBEARD-o]

One of the greatest games ever. It just took ppl a long time to catch up to it.

[@JunkyardHounds]

And V is going to take even more time.

[@o-REDBEARD-o]

@@JunkyardHounds potentially. I didn't feel the same impact from V but I understand a lot of the meta narrative and subtext. I think it will be very hard for people to get over the way the game launched incomplete and the whole drama between konami/kojima.

[@JunkyardHounds]

@@o-REDBEARD-o Except the game didn't launch incomplete and that's part of it's theme. The whole game features repetition and lack of wholeness on a narrative, thematic and gameplay level. That's no fluke. The game is 100% complete. Also, by logic, when you have no time to complete a game it won't be a polished work. The first thing to do is write the plot and the cutscenes were almost all shown 2 to 3 years before the game came out. How does that feel incomplete to you ? That's one of the sad things about the game, people not being able to see it for what it is but that was, imo, kojima's aim.

[@o-REDBEARD-o]

@@JunkyardHounds I understand that part of the message 100%. However I personally believe Kojima wasn't allowed to finish it the way he intended. He went over budget and over the alloted time frame. I think the meta narrative of all the things you mentioned came afterwards. I don't think that takes anything away from it I just personally believe it happened in a different order. Again like I stated I am fully aware of all of that.

[@JunkyardHounds]

@@o-REDBEARD-o I disagree. Watch interviews from 2010/2011 and what Kojima says about his next project. He didn't went over budget nor over the alloted time frame unless you count the development of Fox engine. The fallout was probably due to him making the game the way it's made. Like skullface says "The anti-metal gear metal gear". MGS2 contradicts all of MG1's tropes and V takes it even further.

[@jake3040]

it blows me away that kojima had the entire story planned out when the first game came out, so many things tie into each other and such a unique story

[@joecutts83]

Thanks for making these videos. I enjoy these a lot

[@shsrpr]

Seconded

[@fishy0929]

Always LOVE watching your metal gear solid videos! You're like the only youtuber that in depth breaks down the story. A lot of other youtubers go over the production of the game, the mechanics, graphics, sound design, enemy ai, but then don't go over the story much because they're talking about all that other stuff. And I just like to hear about the story because metal gear solids story goes over a lot of stuff, and can be very confusing to understand. So your videos are fucking amazing for me because you cover the story perfectly! I wish your videos had more views because the work you do to make these is phenomenal! I can't say it enough what you do to the story to help people like me understand wtf Kojima was making is a God send. Can't wait to watch this!!

[@NotScrubNotGood]

I hadn't played MGS2 since 2004. I bagged the master collection for a decent price and just beat the first 2 games. Was looking for a companion video after playing the first 2 games, specifically MGS2 before starting MGS3. This is absolutely fantastic. I had no issues understanding what was going on while playing. But the extra context this video adds. Just might put MGS2 on my Mount Rushmore of games.

[@lunarluxe9832]

Thanks so much, Jorin! My favorite MGS game, and my favorite youtuber :)

[@TheSoulHarvester]

Another fantastic production, Boss!

[@Alex-u1r2i]

Yes! Here's me watching his MGS V ones again for the 6th time hoping there would be a MGS 2 one and here it is! Nice one mate! Loved this as I do all the others.

[@LuisGonzalez-ou5cg]

Awesome depth. Love mgs2 and it never gets old to learn more about it.

[@yarimanko]

oh my this is the perfect video to have woken up to; thanks as always Jorin!

[@sang_from_rushhour3009]

The sound Otacon made that on that Patriot mention could've been heard from across the Hudson River. That crispy "P" enunciation, lol.

[@envysmith6832]

THIS IS THE BEST SERIES BOSS. I'm behind it all the way and I hope you finish it! Death Stranding too!

[@Suicynic]

Can’t wait for the next part. Excellent work as always.

[@chrysm6842]

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[@kohowch]

Just in time for me to have finished playing MGS2 for the millionth time on my Vita

[@foxhound91]

The WTF happens series are my favorite. Keep up the good work boss

[@potat__]

This is just the prologue but it already has more plot than a fair amount of games

[@hotcoldman9793]

I can't wait for parts 2-20!!

[@chrysm6842]

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[@SuperCancer6]

cant wait for a part 2 for this

[@chrysm6842]

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[@Jtar2002]

So Snake is coming from Upper Manhattan, walking to Fort Lee NJ while timing his fast rope descent to the tanker. As the tanker is passing by Hudson County NJ as well as Manhattan, it also passes by Bayonne NJ and going by Staten Island.

[@DialloMoore503]

For real?

[@Jtar2002]

@@DialloMoore503 yup

[@DialloMoore503]

@@Jtar2002 I actually want to move Jersey, but family wants me close. I’m on the West Coast.

[@dynaman7329]

Could you do a video on the directing and cinematography of the Metal Gear series?

[@tonsnake360]

Fantastic work!

[@JTbot42069]

MGS2:SOL is the best

[@CodyHeldreth]

So if the Army built Rex and the Marines built Ray, I wonder what kind of Metal Gear the Navy was building... Arsenal Gear?

[@mookielagaras9195]

Nonstop content. How does he do it?

[@joelcatalanm7832]

Nanomachines, son.

[@bretdorman3433]

@@joelcatalanm7832 Nanomachines?!

[@MP-oh9lt]

@@bretdorman3433 read this in Snakes voice :)

[@sirvvivaltactics49]

Always amazing content. Hope you do more on Death stranding again

[@gerardsk8ordie]

Playing through MGS2 again for the 10th time right now with the Master Collection. Best game in the franchise imo.

[@susmoys]

Your videos are informative. You might wanna consider the movie no time to die. Lots of stuff in there i think you'll find useful to break down.

[@LithFox]

Yes, my favorite MGS. :D

[@BLCKCSTLS]

16:37 I wonder if that password is "Helena"

[@marknutt4398]

It’s crazy this is / isn’t our future. Like kojima a modern day Nostradamus.

[@TheHellspawned]

Yeeees!!! So hyped for this!

[@jordanwiese1943]

Anyone that played the series in order knows what actually is going on the tanker mission setup the big shell and it was a simulation created by the patriots to reawaken Raiden so he can kill his mentor solids aka George sears this entire simulation is based on the metal gear solid game but there was one thing the patriots failed to calculate the response of solid snake himself thanks to snake and Raiden the attack on the big shell was resolved and Ray Ray away setting up metal gear solid 4 Raidens passed came back X10 and he went dark and came back as lightning in metal gear solid 4 leaving rose and his child unprotected from the patriots which is why toy Campbell married rose to shield her and her child I can continue on this was type before the opening so yeah

[@KimboKG14]

what happened to part 3-6?

[@ApacheSmash]

Oh boy, thanks for making this King

[@DialloMoore503]

I don’t have time to watch the video right now, but I’ve always had questions about this. Ocelot said that “he came to take it (Ray) back.” Back to who? The Patriots? How did it get out of their possession in the first place?

[@arrmigliato]

As he said in the essay, the Marine corps probably used some of the Patriots money to develop Ray; hence the "taking it back" thing.

[@ClericOfPholtus]

Ever notice the BSA is basically the Resident Evil version of Philanthropy? First games surviving heroes joining a group dedicated to wiping out the main threat of the franchise.

[@davidmoodie]

Incredible breakdown

[@knot3d_]

Factually? It's not quite clear what really happened, as the story later on alludes that "Tanker" chapter might be a by-Patriots-altered-chain of events, turned VR mission for rookies like Raiden. Afteral, I have always found it somewhat questionable how Snake went into this so ill-prepared.

[@jhonnymark7581]

Someone should talk about what the story line of MGS III was supposed to be about.

[@JunkYardHobbies]

Love these videos 😮

[@Jouzou87]

What I don't get is that Marines can't put uniformed or even armed soldiers on deck because they'd rise too much suspicion (fair enough), but Gurlukovich men have no problem patrolling outside in full Spetznaz gear.

[@TehUltimateSnake]

It's more like the Marines didn't want to arise suspicion from enemies like the Russians that they were transporting a Metal Gear inside that tanker but of course, the Russians already had intel on that.

[@hidinginmycaropeningpokemo9006]

I don’t know if I can watch this… I may have to wait until the miniseries is complete so I can watch them one after the other 🤔

[@lk8300]

People got so upset that you didn't play as snake. I was only like 11 or 12 years old and I understood that it just wasn't meant to be a game about solid snake. It was about you feeling like Raiden in the game and watching and learning from snake through from that point of view and it was awesome because it added real depth to it. A depth that has withstood still being a masterpiece by today's standards nearly 20 years on.

[@robertpatter5509]

Raiden is a Simulacrum of Snake. An imitation. All aesthetics and no soul.

[@theredcomet4301]

have been waiting for this

[@olucaspc]

MAH BOI CAME BACK