MGSV Will Never Be Game Over

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Though Hideo Kojima's METAL GEAR SOLID V has been out since 2015, many of its secrets remain hidden in plain sight. In this video, Jorin explains yet another unexpected yet vital 'missing link' concealed behind the drapery in THE PHANTOM PAIN: why the quality of a 'blankness' or open-endedness is kinda the whole point.
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"‘That, Winston, you will never know. If we choose to set you free when we have finished with you, and if you live to be ninety years old, still you will never learn whether the answer to that question is Yes or No. As long as you live it will be an unsolved riddle in your mind.’
Winston lay silent. His breast rose and fell a little faster.
He still had not asked the question that had come into his mind the first. He had got to ask it, and yet it was as though his tongue would not utter it. There was a trace of amusement in O’Brien’s face. Even his spectacles seemed to wear an ironical gleam. He knows, thought Winston suddenly,
he knows what I am going to ask! At the thought the words burst out of him:
‘What is in Room 101?’
The expression on O’Brien’s face did not change. He answered drily:
‘You know what is in Room 101, Winston. Everyone knows what is in Room 101.’
(EXERPT FROM NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR by GEORGE ORWELL)
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Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain is a third-person action-adventure game developed by Kojima Productions and published by Konami for the Xbox One, PlayStation 4, Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and PC on September 1, 2015.
The tenth and final main installment of the Metal Gear series, Phantom Pain follows legendary mercenary Big Boss (now known by his codename "Venom Snake") as he awakens in 1984 from a nine-year coma following the destruction of his private military company "Militaires Sans Frontières". With help from his old business partner Kazuhira Miller and rival-turned-ally Revolver Ocelot, Snake must rebuild his mercenary army (now called "Diamond Dogs") while plotting revenge against the shadowy organization "Cipher," as well as its XOF paramilitary unit led by the enigmatic Skull Face.
Similar to its standalone prologue Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes, Phantom Pain focuses on executing mission objectives in open world environments set in both Soviet-occupied Afghanistan and the Angola-Zaire border region of central Africa, complete with dynamic weather and day-night systems. Stealth is a major component of gameplay, but often optional thanks to Snake's arsenal of combat gear. Players can also upgrade Diamond Dogs' new "Mother Base" in a fashion similar to Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker, allowing them to develop new weapons and items. In addition to its single-player campaign, the game includes two player-vs-player multiplayer modes, as well as optional microtransactions and other paid downloadable content.
The Phantom Pain is notable as the final game in the series with involvement from series creator Hideo Kojima and his Kojima Productions team. Several months before the game's release, Konami began a major restructuring of its games division, ultimately leading to Kojima Productions being treated more as a contractor rather than an internal studio. Unlike prior Metal Gear titles from the same team, Kojima Productions' logo and branding is absent from promotional materials and packaging for the final game. After leaving Konami, Kojima would go on to establish a new independent studio with the same name in 2015.
The Phantom Pain was bundled together with Ground Zeroes and all DLC as Metal Gear Solid V: The Definitive Experience in late 2016 for Xbox One and PlayStation 4. Phantom Pain's gameplay and graphics engine were later reused for the 2018 survival-focused spin-off title Metal Gear Survive.
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[@fwdcnorac8574]

I always saw the end of the game as a long goodbye from Hideo but he also made sure to keep the game from ending. So the player can keep playing and take as much time as they need to walk away from it. He made each player Big Boss. He told us to keep his/our world alive. He broke the 4th wall and all.

[@8Bitorbust]

I'm way too deep in this rabbit hole. It's my home now. It's where I shall perish.

[@jasonzoller5369]

Every once in a while, I’ll give myself a “phantom pain” by starting the game over from scratch. It’s very neat. Especially when Ocelot tells you to put those 9 years behind you. Adds wayyyy more weight knowing where you were previously, progress-wise, and where you are at the restart of the game. You know what once was, you can feel what was once accomplished, but now it’s gone and you have to start over.

[@BiggerBossN313]

Started a new let’s play after not playing the game for 4 years. I’m telling you nothing can describe the feeling of getting better and mastering the game mechanics I learned years ago. Edit: 100% completion. Something I should of done a long time ago.

[@TheMxboy199]

Just started playing again on my pc after not being able to find the disk for my ps4 so I had to restart since It was a new console. Very humbling. It’s been a blast to play through it again though from the beginning

[@pau-o5q]

Just started up fresh again myself. Missed this game so much. Can't believe how well it holds up still today. Then again I'm a fanboy :p

[@dannytorres8070]

Bro I thought I was the only one!! I’ve been doing this once a year since release day to fill the metal gear void I’ve been feeling ever since the metal gear solid 4 online servers shutdown

[@davidstinger1134]

Next year the "I'm afraid it's been 9 years" is going to hit VERY differently.

[@mohamedkadhemmansour7058]

Basically jorin is telling us that he will always make mgs5 videos, since it's a language and it's applications are unlimited

[@adamhearts9195]

The newer generation of Metal Gear Solid content creators has been very very lacking,, I find it Unthinkable that they include high-pitched screaming and obnoxious laughter while "trying to convey". their thoughts about the franchise. terrible,, I have no idea how it happened but I've noticed that phenomena throughout multiple content creators of the upcoming generation very tiktok esk

[@adamhearts9195]

@@jamesrustle7536 not this channel, x. but type in metal gear solid and set the filter to past 3 months and click a video by a content creator your not familiar with making mgs content commence screaming 😵‍💫

[@BiggerBossN313]

@@adamhearts9195it’s just the patriots controlling context

[@harrylane4]

@@adamhearts9195 ”I can’t believe all of the old metal gear creators ran out of context in this franchise that stopped getting new releases almost a decade ago. Now all the people making videos about this game are newer and younger”

[@adamhearts9195]

@@harrylane4 no... they're trash. and Tik Tok esk screams every few moments.

[@ninjoi]

Don’t you dare ever stop-no matter how crazy you feel or like you’re “overthinking”/“over-analyzing” that simply isn’t true! Keep this up!!!!!

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

you people are literally holding back this channel , just fucking stop and let him move on to other things like death stranding at least

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

@@SolidLoach for what reason? Dude is literally repeating himself over and over again and making up his own interpretations for something that isn't even there

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

​@@SolidLoach This

[@nRoWolfpac]

@@MGrey-qb5xz woah, has he expressed desire to move on?

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

@@nRoWolfpac maybe he has, how about commenting what other game series you would like to see that would catch the user's eye

[@freeman5325]

Nothing to make a day better than Futurasound's MGSV Essay

[@rustymiller9555]

Hells yes.

[@dr.loomis4221]

That's a pretty low bar my friend

[@rustymiller9555]

@@dr.loomis4221 yea some of us are down low in life right now and watching some of our favorite content creators let’s us relax for a bit. To feel better some people like doing drugs, some like watching tv, some like going to strip clubs and some eat all day long. For us watching Jorins videos about MGS makes us relax and escape the bad shit going on in our lives.

[@Mat14651]

To you reading this Jesus can help with whatever problems, hardships, and issues you have. Believe in him He came to save us from hell and eternal suffering, also turn from your sins repent which is changing your life to follow the way of God and not your way, your way will lead you into a pit of despair I know it, my way lead me in a pit straight to hell, but Jesus rescued me and he can rescue you. He can grant a peace and joy unfelt, and be your closest friend always there, This is the gospel Jesus Christ, son of God, died for our sins, was buried, and rose again on the third day. After he went to his tweleve disciples and many others before ascending into heaven eternally triumphant over all his enemies and making it so that there is now no condemnation for sin to all those who believe, but only everlasting joy. John 3:16

[@supremeworld87]

I've always said MGSVs story ranks only behind MGS2 I'm terms of story depth. There is categorically no way the tapes were anything but an intentional choice from the very beginning. Far too much energy went into them being something to interpret and decipher - the noises in the background to pick up on, the contradictions you find, they were meant to be listened to and interpreted in various ways, that they can't be just a last resort due to budget concerns. He wanted to tell the story this way deliberately, as a puzzle to be put together, because the open world format in his view necessitated a different method of storytelling. Witcher 3 showed open world games can have stories that are told the same way as linear games, but kojima didn't want to do that. The story in this game has to be pieced together from various sources, and even then can be interpreted in various ways. There's the cutscenes, the conversations you can listen to during missions, then finally the tapes. Only by putting together all three do you get the full plot. I know why mgs fans hated it, because its such a departure from how stories were told in the previous games, but its called V and not 5 for a reason. He always indicated this would be a different experience to what came before, even PW adhered largely to the usual tropes, but V took what PW did and went alot further

[@Aceg13579]

agree

[@kf8113]

Now that I think of it, MGSV is the most immersive sim-like Metal Gear game, so it makes sense that it would likewise feature audio tapes to listen to while playing, a common trope in the immersive sim genre.

[@deetsitmeisterjd]

Snake and Big Boss were always so chatty too. Having Kiefer makes sense because it's Venom, he's been in a coma and is trying to not draw to much attention to himself. My only dream was that Hayter got to voice the actual Big Boss at the end (and Ground Zeroes, but I guess I can let that one slide as it would have practically spoiled the entirety of Phantom Pain)

[@dice1378]

5:38 feels like Skull Face is talking to Venom here and not to Huey... Oh and if you replay mission 30, when you get to the jeep scene at the part where Skull Face calls you Big Boss, there are exclamation marks in the subtitles around the name "Big Boss". They are not there when you play that mission for the first time. This could imply that Skull Face really knew Venom was not Big Boss all the time

[@kazmark_gl8652]

I think the addition of the subtitles on a replay instead indicates Venom now knowing he isn't Big Boss. if skullface knew, he would have no reason to fight us. much like The Man on Fire, his lust for revenge is against the real Big Boss. Given how similar Venom and Skullface are I almost belive that if Skullface knew he might try and bring Venom Snake to his side as a kind of anti-Big Boss.

[@sergioriggio1769]

​@@kazmark_gl86523:26 Skullface knew it and you have to remember that he basically created Big Boss making possible the "Snake Eater" mission. It is important to remember that Big Boss is not only the guy who killed the Boss but he was also the leader of MSF and of Diamong Dogs' Outer Heaven. So between the two Snakes the only one who was fighting Cipher was Venom or Big Boss, according to his Private Force I'm pretty sure you're thinking that Skullface's speech during the jeep scene was told to the wrong guy. Many people think Skullface had prepared it in 9 years. But these two sentences are false for two reasons. The first is XOF eliminated MSF and its commander. So it would be absurd if the speech was prepared for a dead man in 9 years. And the second reason is a logical analysis of the already cited jeep scene. Skullface "captured" an enemy who was trying to destroy his plan ( and dream) and it seemed that he failed. Even if Skullface knew the real identity of Venom he didn't want Volgin to know it. Because he promised to him that he would have killed Big Boss. Our antagonist was talking about his victory to a man who was supposed to be executed. In that moment he would have told his plan to almost anyone Skullface also proved more than one time that he had eyes on him ( citing his words and infiltrating agents into his fortress). He was a powerful man and the only one who could replace Cipher

[@sergioriggio1769]

If Skullface had known or he hadn't known are just theories. But I think he knew for other two reasons. If you remember Skullface used to call Venom Big Boss only when he was talking to him. Instead with other people he used other terms like "demon". And the second reason is about the first time you meet him in the Phantom Pain. He could have easily killed Snake but knowing that he wasn't the original one he decided it wasn't worth the time. Moreover he wanted Volgin by his side and the latter was somewhat alive because of his revenge desire. After a while Skullface recognised Venom and his Diamond Dogs as the only real threat. So he made several attempts to kill them

[@deetsitmeisterjd]

​@@kazmark_gl8652I don't think Skullface really cares, the medic is as much a part of Outer Heaven as BB is.

[@Loreweavver]

The method of writing dialogue by Plato and Aristotle was in part a reflection of the idea that writing things down made things static when debate and dialogue leave room for adaptation and variation. Ie. We should be able to change our minds. The unfinished aspect of MGSV leaves the conversation always open to interpretation and conversation.

[@Killthulhu]

I'm doing my second playthrough of MGSV since launch, and going for the 100%. Your videos have been such enjoyable watches throughout. Thanks so much!

[@Rycerz49]

Me too😂

[@skrumpybumkins7053]

you have by far the best and most comprehensive video essays on KZbin, in my opinion

[@Smellmonger]

@@jamesrustle7536 Would you be so kind to recommend some good channels, please?

[@thomasrose4523]

A few hours late, but I always enjoy your videos! Still playing The Phantom Pain, started on PS3, now on PS4, building my way back up to how I was on PS3. So many people still enjoy it, are making content with it. Adam Online is still making the definitive cinematic experience, and made some new stuff too. I love his Tales From Mother Base series!

[@felixmonroe2295]

I'm stoked this video is about MGSV bc I was really worried your first video back would be about Delta. Which of course I want to see and hear your opinion on it, but I am playing MGSV for the first time so I'm about 9 years behind everyone else. In fact I'm just getting to the part where the infection 2.0 spread by Huey is starting up so I'm getting towards the end and the themes discussed herein are present at that part of the game as well, so very helpful. Glad this benefits me, your main audience after all, obviously :p

[@BigBossultrastealth]

What infection?

[@Egobert]

​@@BigBossultrastealth i think he means the parasite

[@felixmonroe2295]

Yes, I meant parasite

[@ilikepigeons6101]

People say the game is unfinished just cuz of the 'missing' levels. Yall have ever heard of cut content before? Also i didnt realise the amount of triple meanings the dialogue of this game has

[@Egobert]

The worst part is that it was only included in the collectors edition as a bonus content for us to see and people took it wrong and flamed konami for it ,(even tho they were the ones that gave us that bonus content)

[@MrClonedzero]

MGS5 is one of my favorite games. I love the entire series but MGS5 is the one i always return to. (probably the really good gameplay and dynamic style the game has). But I will say, this channel has made me appreciate the story SO much more. In one of your other videos you explained that the game is constantly straight up lying to you, and that completely changed the perspective of everything. Great stuff.

[@Dinosaur_Senior]

I agree, I always loved the game and it’s literally one of the most played games in my PlayStation library (900+ hours I think spread across the single player as well as MGO) but I did always have this kinda weird mixed feeling on the unfinished nature of the story but I have really came around to realizing that it is kinda the point of the game to leave you feeling confused, frustrated and empty.

[@MrClonedzero]

@@Dinosaur_Senior God dammit, i'm gonna have to do another playthrough. Maybe a no tranq run for the challenge.

[@panamajack5972]

The unfinished story pissed me off too much

[@zackfair6791]

I really like the game too but...some of the writing is just not great imo. The ending for Quiet's story was really bad.

[@FOXHOUND_N313]

​@@panamajack5972Even after all this years, i still don't see it. How is this game incomplete? People point to repeated missions, Episode 51, Battle Gear, open world "emptiness", and i sometimes see people giving new "examples" of MGSV being unfinished without any basis, or even presenting speculation as fact. Battle Gear was confirmed by Kojima to not being usable because of balance issues. The open world is as Kojima stated in interviews years before the game came out. The repeated missions appear in the game without justification, but they weren't necessary to make the game longer. We still would have 39 missions, more than enough in my opinion. If i were to bet, they were included in the game to hammer on the theme of "just another day in a war without end". Regarding Episode 51, if it was going to be included, it probably wasn't going to be the ending of the game. We start the game in front of the mirror, and we end the game in front of the mirror. That's very deliberate. All in all, i think this game is a complete package. Whatever may have been cut, could have been part of the creative process, things not fitting to the final vision of the game. And the stuff we saw in interviews and trailers were all included, or slightly altered, but still there.

[@saintakira9627]

Man i just wanted to first, drop a comment to give the algorithm an interaction. Secondly, and most importantly, to thank you for making these videos. I recently stumbled across one, by chance while searching up something else, and I'm going through years of your work backlog. Standing ovation from me. Fantastic and thoughtful critique and exploration of work (talking about the MGS series specifically here) that while popular and well- regarded, isn't appreciated nearly enough for its depth and nuance imo. All that to say, thank you. You're the best on the net when it comes to plumbing the depths of Metal Gear.

[@travisbickle2970]

I could listen to you for hours , great work on mgsv

[@alfredolopez9642]

Just when I think I've watched the most profound, illuminating and revealing video essay on MGS by you and any other content creator out there, you drop this masterpiece on us. Goodness gracious, Jorin! You never cease to amaze me!

[@holve11]

If you haven’t yet, I’d also recommend Micheal Saba’s “MGSV is a misunderstood anti-war masterpiece” Some good work there giving this game some due praise.

[@alfredolopez9642]

@@holve11 Thanks, bro. I'll have to watch it. ✌🏻

[@diegomedina9637]

People think they cut mission 51 from the game but that's not really the case. Mission 45 was Eli's kingdom of the flies but was replaced with A Quiet exist. Which explains why mission 45 is actually the worse mission in the game. It was hastily made into a main mission when it was probably just a short little side mission like The Man on Fire one or the Mammal Pod one.

[@RoughGalaxyYT]

I think what I like most about your video essay's is that it makes me consistently excited for the next title from Kojima.

[@Oldsnake9bad]

Death Stranding 2!

[@somepvpguy69]

Death stranding: twin fetus.

[@zjackshot]

​@@Oldsnake9badDeath Stranding: Solid Sam

[@infuriouss]

god i missed you Futura. Welcome back, Boss.

[@endlessXnow]

Regarding the end of the video... "curse of the forked tongue" Clearly implies curse of the Snake despite the boy throwing you off that conclusion the children didn't get sick, but that doesn't mean they don't still harbor the virus it could still be a ticking time bomb in their bodies, a prototype FOXDIE The Curse Of Solid Snake

[@alephnole7009]

yeah the children would be symptomless and still be able to spread it like was suggested in Shining lights. by calculating when they would hit puberty and become effected you could detemin how much they could do before tying up loose ends

[@Yeshaboo]

Incredible video, i was beyond satisfied with the order my game happened to "end", i never understood people calling it unfinished or rushed. This game is easily top 5 for anyone who's into absurdist/surrealist narratives.

[@leonrussell9607]

The ending is absolutely unfinished

[@liljay3019]

@@leonrussell9607In your fantasy land, yes. In the creator’s mind , and anyone with any grasp of contextualization, it’s not all.

[@leonrussell9607]

@@liljay3019 making your game intentionally unfinished isn't better, the ending comes out of nowhere and doesn't make sense, thats the truth, kojimbo is not the genius you think he is

[@isaiahroman4763]

@@leonrussell9607kind of reminds me of the way people treated Scott cawthorn when all the theories on fnaf were popular

[@ninjasquidkamer7440]

@@liljay3019 Hideo Intended to make a bad video game with false marketing.

[@nvm7047]

It is scary how close to home this game hits with every year passing, it is coming near and near. 23:00 explaining the close reality of our day. Masterpiece

[@davidbreuer7446]

There's something I just don't get about GZ and TPP: Is it Kaz's voice that appears in that tape in GZ, which shows Skull Face putting the bomb inside Paz? If so, that would mean Kaz is the real traitor, right? But nonetheless, Emmerich also seems suspicious af

[@kazmark_gl8652]

Kaz is the real traitor, and he was working with Cypher. He tells Boss, "So at the end of Peacewalker, and again in V. although he didn't know Mother Base was going to be destroyed. when he does the famous line "they played us like a DAMN FIDDLE" his words have two meanings, because the inspection was a ruse, but ALSO the mission to send Big Boss to camp Omega was also part of the trap.

[@mr.monkey354]

No, it was a reuse of the VA. Are you saying the mgs3 soldiers are also miller because of The VA?

[@BigChief_1337]

Millers eyesight leaving him, at least for my interpretation, is that he is "blindly" following what he knows is a fake Boss even though he wants to follow the real Big Boss. He is resentful. I believe at somepoint he splits from Venom Snake defecting after mission 51 where Eli is presumably left dead by napalm to kill the last english strain of the parasite.

[@lvthn7732]

Jorin, your video essays are the only Metal Gear content that is actually worthy of the subject matter. Always an absolute pleasure to watch. Thank you 🙏

[@MiguelAldanotes]

Jorin's ability to write a script baffles me. Content dense and packed with subtle and also very clever wordplay. Killer as always. Keep it up man!

[@Hack_The_Planet_]

I’ve argued since pretty much the beginning that it was never unfinished.

[@manicmike3952]

As time goes by, these videos capture the mind and soul of many who still live in, MGS!. I thank you for this personally.

[@jonnybee8829]

Awesome video dude, you really bring out the depth of MGSV. Kudos. 👏

[@agoodun]

A virtual goldmine of content. Thank you 😎👍

[@Gaz66d]

So I have a hypothesis that you could possibly build off of in regard to “why experiment on children in the Devil House” Just for context I’m studying child development and working in a preschool- so it’s largely based on my observations of how children develop their linguistic identity over time and also as a function of the plasticity of the human mind in how our language centers connect more than adults when trying to learn and piece together languages- which is why children pick up and learn new languages easier than adults. Children talk… a lot! If they saw something at the weekend they will infodump the entire plot of a Netflix mini series or what happened when their parents let them binge Paw Patrol… They speak SO much, but they haven’t mastered a language at all, they’re all still wrestling with the soft pallet of their mouth and trying to figure out how to make the sounds of their peers while navigating considerable overlap from their parents mother tongue- and that of their teachers, and they haven’t established a full linguistic identity and control of it yet. Like how people say Scottish is damn near unintelligible, now imagine how a Scottish toddler sounds… 🤯 All toddlers of any language are tough to decipher, when they are pronouncing all vis R’s as W’s and other things like how hard consonants like K often show up as T. “Otay, fanks faw dah Footbaw.” Its heavily shifted in the pallet, but a child is still learning what part of their mouths make which sounds and how that part of their brain that turns auditory processing information into vocalization. And the parasite in these children will be developing alongside that child for longer than in an adult in the same way because the adult will die quicker the moment they start speaking out loud giving the parasitic larva less time to incubate than if they were instead implanted in a younger subject. Do you think you can use this info?

[@bloodgulchpatrick]

Ocelot is kinda right on the "It's what he wanted" in the Doublethink tape. Didn't _you_ want to be the Big Boss?

[@deohere7647]

Taken together, Ground Zeros, MGSV, P. T. and death stranding is about Kojima realizing that he has to give up metal gear. That the only way forward is through hardship, blood, sweat, and suffering. That he has to throw most of his past to save those he loves and to save himself. Ground Zeros last few missions involve a power fantasy of Big Boss himself rescuing him from prison only to have more missions where you have to erase Foxhound, the name of Kojima's team (his name) from the game. It's him comming to terms with the reality that as long as he is involved with metal gear he will be in a prison. That his creation can't rescue him... Only shuffle him around. And finally? That the powers that be ultimately do not care about him or his team. It's why that nuke goes off at the end of ground zeros. It's why outer he an is destroyed. It's why you play as a fake version of the boss. Kojima is saying that his bosses view him and everyone he cares about as disposable and replaceable. MgsV is about how thst feels. How it feels to be betrayed. To realize you are trapped in an abusive relationship. To have your creation, your very voice, your language used as a weapon against you. It's about what it feels like to tear yourself away from the thing you love and the phantom pain it leaves behind. Many of the tracks of music in the game reflects this as well. Some about trying to fight and losing, others about how disposable we are and how how we will be devoured or used. About how no matter what people scream for more of the same. And finally? About his need to leave. About how love will tear us apart. Which brings us to PT. Playable trailer. A game demo for a project I suspect Kojima knew would never be made. It's about body snatchers, madness, the surveillance state, a relationship gone bad, and a baby thst became a monster. His monster. His baby. Metal gear solid. He is trapped in what appears to be a nice life with this horrible thing he loves and hates and each day it decays. His home rots. Everything repeats again and again. But this project was also something made in secret with those he trusted. A message about finding and creating a new world. A call to action. About moving forward into the dark unknown away from what is known with the help of others even if it seems scary. PT is also an abbreviation for physical therapy. His next game was death stranding. A game all about walking. About learning to walk and rebuilding the world. About opening up and forging connections. About the power of love and the human condition to make something positive no matter how bad it all seems. This entire saga is about him comming to terms with needing to leave Konami and Metal Gear behind. These games have tons of other motifs within them, each can be taken sepertly to glean meaning... But together? Together they are a masterpiece of staggering humanity and vulnerability of a man finding a way to move forward no matter how hard it would be.

[@sokoTV2]

Neat takeaways, but creating narratives about artists based on their art is a bad practice.

[@elliottvantonder5477]

Wild stuff yo! Futurasound never ceases to make this old dog shine again 🔹 I feel in retrospect that the end briefing of most missions were trying to encourage us to look under the surface, given that most missions are not what they seem at first glance, so why should the story be? Kaz and Ocelot are always bringing up different interpretations of the events you just played through. Like they're both vying for control of the narrative. Whatever

[@dedark0il131]

you mean miller and ocelot, not miller and kaz right? xd

[@elliottvantonder5477]

@@dedark0il131 yeah 😅 My bad. It's still difficult to picture that guy as Ocelot. Maybe this language of MGSV can elucidate why he's so different in this game. Maybe because everyone is different in this game...

[@dedark0il131]

@@elliottvantonder5477 my personal reasoning is that mgs5 was going for a more grounded style in comparison with previous installments

[@ioncewasmikey]

This is seriously great analysis. I think you've cracked the code here, so to speak. I always felt there was meaning buried in this game somewhere, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. A phantom pain, if you will. You have opened my eyes with this. Strangely, I just redownloaded MGSV Definitive Experience after seeing the MGS Delta trailer, so your timing is impeccable as well. 😄 Bravo!

[@Zenvitic]

Whether MGSV is unfinished or not it's still a great game

[@chrisdelk2552]

Lovely essay. I haven't played it in years, yet I am always watching videos like this. You bring a fresh and valid perspective.

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

Now that you've brought it up, the repetition of "From here on out" has the same weight as the "Would you kindly" hypnotic trigger.

[@fishy0929]

Always love your content. Absolutely love how in depth you make your videos. Cant wait to learn how mgsv is indeed finished.

[@jl1onh3art51]

I think its implied that the parasite reasearch ends up becoming the basis for the nanomachines research and foxdie in the rest of the series... the parasites was like the beginning of all of that and how it all came to be

[@driferdark4339]

just found this channel,and man thank you for what you do.I have loved Metal Gear since first playing it on the old NES.I really thought I knew everything about these games...I was wrong,I will keep watching.

[@jubal1794]

The Star Wars-esque Red V screen wipe transitions look really slick.

[@ItalianJoe83]

8:18 Keep that in mind "Hombre" Hem... I mean... Keep looking for the Truth Punished "Venom" Snake

[@brentloy131]

I can’t express how much I love these videos

[@maxrates]

Boy it would be amazing to experience another Kojima series like MGS again with a new game every few years. Unfortunately modern game development cycles are too long for this

[@charlenemaximum]

another fantastic video. one thing i really appreciate about your MGS videos is the way you connect the games together with legitimate psychology / psycho-analysis, real-life politics, and an awareness of how much our lives are about our own interpretations. i always end up stepping away from these videos with a slightly different perspective than i had before. great work!

[@davidcurameng]

Another excellent analysis. Thanks for bringing up great thought points

[@centillionandone]

"No mentality can last forever, when the body dies the will dies with it" 37:32 I'm surprised you didn't mention this but this totally applies to the Boss' will, every person that tried to enact is, Zero, Snake, Skullface, they all bastardized it and made it into new forms of oppression. as for the quote at the end I'm not sure maybe they would have been intended to spread the disease as malleable speakers, it was skullface who said that when e was young he would be forced to learn the language of anyone who raided his village in WW2. Additionally I dont remember too well but wasn't Raiden a child soldier? I don't remember Raiden's age in MGS2 but it seems possible that he could have been a child soldier similar in age as the children we meet in the 1984. Maybe the the cipher simulation training plan, minus basing it around solid snake's experience, went so far back as that.

[@mrSlippinidiot]

I just 100% it again today on steam. This was my game of the decade. I loved it.

[@marciorodrigo6863]

Another MGS essay. This is a great day!

[@puerrodios8013]

This game is pure perfection. Kojima and his team blended history, science, conspiracy theories and fiction to produce this multilayered story. Having said that, I would've loved closure with Eli and Sahelanthropus but hey! Hence the name, "Phantom Pain"

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

This game goes so deep. Most underrated MGS game for sure

[@RecluseBootsy]

I know the cutscene has been leaked and all but it really bummed me out to learn all the nuke counters for the individual platforms are glitched out. The idea of Nuclear Disarmament and Peace was a noble goal for us all to come together and work toward. 😢 It was a conflicted precursor to Death Stranding's concept. And now just another Phantom Pain.

[@KevinBYee]

Agreed 100%, and well-said.

[@surrealistidealist]

Hopefully this video will change my mind. But I'm coming into this feeling that MGSV really was unfinished. While it's true that even MGS2 left a lot of content on the cutting room floor, it never actually *felt* that way when playing the game. But the experience playing V was palpably different. Might even say we felt the *phantom pain* of what got amputated!

[@thenickseditious]

That is what I thought. The deliberate phantom pain of feeling fulfilled with a finale. We felt what venom felt cheated ripped off and it was by design.

[@AlexJones-ex8ox]

I agree I won’t argue with people who enjoy the game I enjoyed the gameplay But that’s what makes the lackluster plot/ending even worse because the gameplay was so “solid” pun intended lol it feels like a skeleton with no meat on it

[@volpe2077]

@@thenickseditious I can see the argument that it was "deliberately unfinished", but that feels like grade-A copium to me and really just a coincidence. I'd like to think not even Kojima would be crazy enough to release a game that *feels* so fundementally unfinished (and in a negative way) because he wanted us to feel "phantom pain"; that would be a rookie game designer's idea of "deep design". By that same token, you could say they didn't recast Hayter because they wanted us to feel Phantom Pain with him too, but we know Kojima simply wanted to work with Kiefer and that's probably that. It's gotta be a coincidence that the metaness of the game not being done lines up with the themes.

[@Miyakolover]

@@volpe2077 Considering all the Moby Dick references in the game and the fact that Moby Dick was originally released missing it prologue...I wouldn't put it past him doing.

[@Miyakolover]

@chandllerburse737 I mean Hayter is technically a Hollywood actor and did a few movies...though I do believe it was an artistic decision more than it being for the sake of "loving Hollywood actors"...all we hear about him just replacing him for the sake of Keifer being a Hollywood actor are just rumors that people love throwing around. Like the whole rumor that he was "wasting money during MGS development" which to this day has no basis.

[@DeyanWell]

I‘m all here for the news and the future of this game

[@fourtruths3324]

3 months no video? Oh yeah he’s cooking

[@thequestion2859]

This game is extremely complex, and I love that it's still being analysed in new ways by people who can see that about it. I love it wholeheartedly, it's one of my favorite games ever made

[@thelegendofner0]

Snake wake up, Futurasound has posted a new video!

[@fletchergrenfell7469]

Just when the world needed him most.

[@hectorzamarron9484]

Once again , my dude . Don’t ever go and you have to know how much we all love your MGS videos. They’re as important as important to me as the games! I love watching a good deep vid of yours and then playing the corresponding game it’s about it deepens the experience so much Jorin!

[@OfficialJab]

This was a great video, thanks

[@IYPITWL]

I finally got quiet back. Boy does it feel good after so long.

[@blaque5582]

You got a new sub. This was dope.

[@2yoyoyo1Unplugged]

You’re the ONLY sizable channel that gets MGSV. It breaks my heart knowing that is the case, but that’s the truth. More people should watch your video, because if they don’t, most people will parrot the brain-dead interpretation that the internet taught them about MGSV being “unfinished.”

[@On1Zuk4-Sensei]

Next level MGS analysis channel. Nice job !

[@reportedbooch697]

Yes! Someone else who gets it! MGSV being open ended and unfulfilling in the end game is the POINT! The only real “unfinished” parts are Mission 51 and Battle Gear. Chapter 3 is nothing but hidden splash text, a dream impossible now for DD.

[@RaymondKarlVeasey75]

I Always Enjoy Your Videos.

[@MsUndertaker99]

MGS5 is unfinished and ironically this helps bring up the topic of phantom pain as nothing else. After finishing mission 31 you're left with a phantom pain of a game that could have been, of a game that we've lost and never will be able to get, of a story we've lost and it won't stop hurting. It's like they're all still there and i bet that there are a lot of people who feel it too

[@TheGW923]

MGSV is finished. You left this comment before watching the video? Lmao

[@TheGW923]

@@whatacoolchannel-yz1vw Has every essay you’ve ever written in your life been perfect? What kinda take is this lol. Whether you like it or not the game is finished. Every game has cut content. MGSV tells a cohesive finished story.

[@Aneurysmincoming]

@@TheGW923 Considering that the only way that Eli's entire story arc is considered 'finished' is if we include what is literally an unfinished cutscene that was part of a mission that wasn't made for one reason or another, I don't get how it's the case that MGSV is a 'cohesive finished story' when that's only the case if we include what is literally cut and unfinished content as part of the story. Edit: You can't have it both ways where cut content isn't considered part of the story, thus can't be used as evidence that the game is unfinished, and also say, this unfinished cut-scene from a mission that's cut content with the conclusion of character's arc (Arguably two if we count Kid Psycho Mantis though maybe he's more of a plot device than a character) is part of the story.

[@TheGW923]

@@Aneurysmincoming A single minor plot point not being expanded on fully does not make the entire game unfinished lol. Eli escapes. That’s the end of his story in MGSV. It is finished. They had more planned as DLC but cut it early in development. As an example let’s take Dark Souls 1. If they never released the DLC, the game would still be finished. This is despite the fact that the DLC heavily expands on parts of the story that are set up in the main game. Even still, every game has cut content. Cut content is cut for a reason. It does not mean the game is unfinished.

[@Aneurysmincoming]

@@TheGW923 "A single minor plot point not being expanded on fully does not make the entire game unfinished lol. Eli escapes. That’s the end of his story in MGSV. It is finished. They had more planned as DLC but cut it early in development." Eli escaping with Sahalanthropus and what seems to be the most literal powerful psychic child is a 'minor plot point'? It just seems kind of weird that we devoted all this attention to it in the story then as if we were building up to something other than 'oh and he just leaves the end'. 'As an example let’s take Dark Souls 1. If they never released the DLC, the game would still be finished. This is despite the fact that the DLC heavily expands on parts of the story that are set up in the main game.' Sure, but in this alternate universe where this happened what they probably wouldn't do is have an npc model of Artorius show up, and devote attention to him in the story and then have him have no consequence on anything that happens on the overall story and then just fuck off with no explanation. "Even still, every game has cut content. Cut content is cut for a reason. It does not mean the game is unfinished." No shit, but then I suppose you should be yelling at everyone who considers anything to do with that unfinished cutscene that contains the conclusion of Eli's arc in the story as canon, or anything that matters. And the fact is, by this logic, there is no game that could be considered 'unfinished' if we're not allowed to ever point at cut content, perhaps the cut content alone is not going to make that case, but that in addition to overall context of what happens in the story such as whether plot points are resolved at all is still indicative.

[@fireant353]

What mission is that conversation at the end of the video from? I can think of 2 that it might be, but I'm unsure. I have never heard that conversation in game and I'd like to guide my partner into it if possible when she's playing the game! (She has been slowly making her way through the series and that's such a wild convo, it would've set my brain on fire when I first played the game.) As for what Zero is doing with children, well, he's making the next wave of foxhound isn't he? I figured that his whole thing is using the parasites to create a new species of "human" and that Skullface(naked snake/big boss) was trying to recreate his research in order to eventually infiltrate the Patriot system right underneath Zero. However, that almost seems like too simple of an answer. "The bad guy wants to get the thing the other bad guy is using and that's why we, the good guys, are fighting them." But why would we be playing as "Big Boss" if that were the case? At the end of the day, for anything to make sense, Venom has to be Chico and Zero had to have been trying to make replicas of the child-turned-big-boss, but without having to wait for any growth or recovery to occur. So, basically, Zero set up Chico to be ultra-powerful through the use of parasite therapy and he wants to make sure that is replicable. The traumatic treatment of the victims of the parasite strain is also used to stimulate growth, in a twisted perversion of "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger." The issue, though, is that what DID kill Chico (and Paz for that matter) made him WAY stronger than anything Zero or Skullface could replicate in a lab. MGSV is really good. Great video.

[@ElConradoX]

So, the game never went overbudget causing Konami to force Kojima to rush the last 6 months of development, cutting entire sections of the game, including most of the 3rd act, to reach the final deadline, and pretty much trying to remove his name from the product entirely? Ok, must be the Mandela effect.

[@DibsEquipped]

Never happened. Just like the Mandela Effect.

[@ElConradoX]

@@DibsEquipped ...lol, sure thing bud! Wooooosh! D E N I A L

[@DibsEquipped]

@@ElConradoX Don't listen to the news. They're all lies.

[@davenic2471]

​@@ElConradoX Just because people on the internet parrot something enough doesn't make it fact. What was this act 3 anyway, the single cut mission we know about? Which for all we know could have been cut for creative reasons. It's not like metal gear has never done stuff like that before, and even if it wasn't and it was for budget reasons and Kojimbo is actually a massive hack. One cut mission that wraps up a pretty insignificant side plot isn't exactly and unfinished game.

[@davenic2471]

And what to you mean "try to remove his name entirely". I have never seen a man's name plastered so much over every inch of a game, you literally see it before and after EVERY MISSION. Konami was the one that famously removed his name from the cover art, which seemed like office politics more than anything.

[@thequestion2859]

About to watch but damn that opening line is refreshing. I hope this game gets the credit it deserves one day

[@JayJayYUP]

What in the hell was that ending. I too cannot understand at all what the heck Cipher was doing there..

[@jackmistiff5300]

Futurasound is my mgs guru! They have single-handedly transformed my understanding of not just games, but how I can analyze other pieces of media through layered lenses. Top notch work as always!

[@YoungMachette]

Damn Kojima was the Big Boss that got on his bike and peaced out✌️. Bravo Boss.

[@SmittyDealio]

I'm gay and in love with Futurasound

[@jshwck4210]

oooo you like boys, ur a boykisser

[@XxXxTwofirstnames69420xXxXx]

I’ll fight you for him

[@champsammy13]

Good for you.

[@ssaiyyrissssuzzuyyaa]

Guess we all fighting

[@pierresland]

Ight lil bro

[@henrik1743]

Welcome back boss

[@Your_Landlord]

Why are the MGS2 story videos hidden?

[@pterafunk1881]

Perfect timing, I just completed shining lights, even in death on my latest playthrough. It will never be over, we'll turn their ashes into diamonds and carry them into battle...

[@kozak1993lk]

i can feel part of my prefrontal cortex running down my nose 🤯🤯

[@jonathanzwart930]

The fact that this channel doesn't have hundreds of thousands of subscribers is positively criminal. 😢

[@horuslupercalaurelian1569]

Everytime are read or hear anything about MGS, I hear a sound in my head like this: "WAAAAHAAAUUUUUAAa a a a aa aOooo!" And sometimes "till the day You see New Liiiight,I Give My Liiife Not for Honor but for Youuu u u u, in My Liiffe. They'll be no one Elllse!"

[@gooberwwwchris]

I love the reference to Nuke at around 41:28. Completely forgot about that guy

[@qiwjjdj288]

Please make a video on the new triangle clone from konami and their historic split with kojima as it seems people have forgot

[@10hawell]

I'm 100% sure you will be able to derail MGS3∆ and have some altered past ending massively expanding the lore. I hope they will keep canon ending intact and not pull FFVII remake on us, but will allow looking behind the drapery.

[@EatTheMarxists]

I have played this game on Xbox 360, PS3, Xbox One S, PS4, and now I’m playing it on Xbox Series X and PS5. Hundreds, if not thousands, of hours and I still love this game. I just deleted my PS5 save data so I could restart the game; I’ll never understand why there isn’t a NG+ mode or save slots and an option for a new play through.

[@Karls_Clips]

MgsV being "unfinished" is our very own phantom pain

[@puerrodios8013]

well said

[@M4ruta]

43:10 Concerning the Revolution never being over in _Nineteen Eighty-Four:_ the novel actual has a happy ending that most people miss. On the final pages there's an appendix which talks about Newspeak and The Party in the past tense. It also mentions attempts to rewrite the classics of English literature from Oldspeak into Newspeak, but here again the text implies that this work was never finished. It's subtle, but the message of the novel actually contradicts the words of O'Brien: in the end, the human spirit will not be crushed by the totalitarian regime.

[@drkinferno72]

More like new management 😂

[@WllKiedSnake]

People should check out the MGS5 Launch Trailer at the 2:19 minute mark. It has a scene not in the full game. It's the true ending to the game. It reveals who Venom Snake truly is and shows him burning up at Outer Heaven where he is defeated by Solid Snake. Kojima wasn't allowed to add anything new to the game at this time, but was allowed to do the Launch Trailer and left that little scene in there for everyone.

[@bludtinge]

You’re just making shit up.

[@MatiasHettichCastillo]

Wait, what? How Is that possible?

[@WllKiedSnake]

@MatiasHettich Konami stopped him working on the game during this time. His staff had to piece together the game without him and the scene in the Launch Trailer wasn't allowed to be added because they wanted the game in a state where it could be shipped. So it was dropped into the Launch Trailer instead.

[@Darthpsychonis]

Dude, just stop. Venom Snake isn't Gray Fox or Decoy Octopus. He is the Big Boss that Solid Snake kills in the original Metal Gear. The reason he's burnt up in the launch trailer is metaphorical, not literal. It's showing that he ends up becoming the antagonist like Skull Face. That's where his "phantom pain" and "lust for revenge" gets him. MGS5 hits you over the head that Venom and Skull Face are two sides of the same coin. Both men who have lost their face and identities, and are both used by Zero to help prop up the "Legend of Big Boss." Skull Face dies the villain, to be forgotten by history, and so does Venom. To ignore this and go"oh, but Venom is actually this character or this character" is both shallow and stupid.

[@WllKiedSnake]

@Darthpsychonis Gray Fox has a lust for revenge. Gray Fox lost his face and identity. And if you don't want the closure of the actual ending I have told you is the ending in the trailer. Which is Venom Snake walking down a hallway at Outer Heaven and then he burns alive like what happened to Big Boss at Outer Heaven. Then you can have a unfinished ending to the game. But I have just told you that's the ending. Take it or leave it.

[@maxbgc3950]

I swear my left arm this guy can find Tons upon tons of lore in any video game at this point.

[@animanaut]

a "rite of passage" of any programming language is to be able to write the compiler using itself. also relevant: so called "meta programming", the ability to alter the language with the language itself during runtime. in languages like lisp, knowing the language itself is not enough. every running program becomes its own higher level "language" that is even capable to be altered during runtime

[@matthewcordeiro2073]

I loved the game. I have a question though. At the hospital during venoms coma, did they surgically alter venoms face to look like big boss, so he can have a decoy and that soliders will follow him. Or does venom think he looks like big boss and that he is big boss? I think his face has been altered, because the soilders would think he’s nuts, trying to be big boss. I do get the character we created is us and every one who plays is big boss. I thought that is cool.

[@KBXband]

Cant wait for this in a future Master Collection. Im eager to take it with me on the Switch

[@samsam0.0.1.]

Next episode of secrets in cutscenes of phantom pain,please.

[@Yog-Speggoth]

What is your opinion on the gaping plot hole of Sahelanthropus and Eli going MIA? That is one of the main threads I just can't let go, it makes the game seem very unfinished imo. The game is still very good despite its flaws.

[@ilarinikkarikoski4765]

Without knowing the truth from Kojima and the dev team, but I think that could be some open thread for future games - bit like what they have done in the past. It is a series after all. Shame we dont see it being lead by Kojima Productions.

[@skeith804]

That was gonna be covered by post-game DLC no? As is it doesn't really matter in the same sense that it doesn't matter that Ocelot runs off with a Metal Gear in 2. If there was an MGS6 it could deal with the ramifications of a loose Sahalanthrepus but it's fine to be unresolved here.

[@brunofilipepires4223]

Things that i lacked during the gameplay: more varied boss fights; uninspiring villain with an empty death; not being able to use battle gear; an epic ending.

[@TheHappyMerlin]

3 months without an update 😢

[@Loreweavver]

Just had a thought... Did the plan work? We were supposed to be Big Boss body double and basically take any bullet meant for him. Was the player character infected with the parasites at the end? Did he take the bullet meant for Big Boss and were his later actions the results of the madness of the parasites and the last gasp of a man who knows he and his whole nation are already dead.

[@Loreweavver]

@chandllerburse737 well, yes to venom being killed by solid. The parasites were left intentionally vague iirc with questions about both miller and quiet but I admit to any mention of the parasites in the older games would be retcons in potential remakes. My pipe dream is that the Delta remake is the beginning of something that will see the original Metal Gear games done in modern style.

[@simonblock4773]

Amazing this just made my working day a lot better

[@blakehenry9030]

Ok this is a really good video better than anything I could ever do that said I have to disagree with you that this game is finished. I don't want to bore you with a 10 paragraph answer your time is valuable. But some of the unused audio files for motherbase soldiers really make it frustrating on what could've been. Imagine every other year we got a new chapter a new free roam world to explore. And most of the long winded words of this game are just word salads. Weather or not the developers new it or not I would say that the theme of MGSV more aline with, You live by the Sword you die by the Sword. Also on a funny side note it would've been nice to see Quiet using Sign Language, I think it would be a good way to have a language with neither written or sounded words great video