GTA IV - The Lost and Damned Retrospective

[@isaacgarcia771]

The Lost And Damned is my favorite version of GTA ever. The way Johnny, Clay, and Terry were done dirty in GTA5 still bugs me.

[@leapoldstotch4987]

Yeah the unlikely meth head seemed a bit far fetched!

[@nicslayer8018]

After everything Johnny has done in liberty just for rockstar to make him look weak and kill him off to make Trevor look crazy it’s just so stupid how they did Johnny

[@isaacgarcia771]

@@nicslayer8018 Agreed.

[@jamesgatz5301]

I kill Trevor every time because of how he did Johnny K dirty.

[@AH-is5yg]

yeah, they should have given Johnny and the others a proper death scene instead of that.

[@DeadPixel1105]

The way Rockstar treated Johnny in GTA 5 was really disappointing. Also, the way he's represented in GTA 5 seems really 'out of character' and just out of nowhere. We see in the Lost and Damned DLC that Johnny is a pretty rational and level-headed guy, as was pointed out in this video. He never shows any interest in doing hard drugs or being a degenerate (like Ashley). And by the end of the DLC it seems as Johnny has really grown and matured even more. He's much smarter, wiser, and mentally stronger. He finally tells off Ashley, for example - realizing that she's nothing but trouble and a waste of time and effort. But then in GTA 5, Johnny is suddenly a strung-out meth addict. And he's back with Ashley and seems totally devoted to her and head-over-heels in love with her - going so far as to even get himself killed over her. Seeing what Johnny is like at the end of the Lost and Damned DLC and then seeing what he's like in GTA 5, it just makes no sense at all. I really don't understand what the Rockstar writers were thinking. It makes no sense.

[@fuzzyslippersyt]

Yes! Thank you! I'm saving it till I review GTA V, but I couldn't agree more. Honestly I think they did it for shock value, origionally wanted it to be Nico (his Voice actor was beefing with them hard over pay) and they bitched out and went with Johnny.

[@DeadPixel1105]

@@fuzzyslippersyt Looking forward to your GTA V review! You make fantastic videos. The devs originally were going to use Niko in GTA V, rather than Johnny? I never knew that. Even though it's stupid that they used Johnny, it would have been WAY worse if they used Niko, for sure. That would have been even more out of character and nonsensical lol Have a great night! Merry Christmas to you and your fam.

[@danbardos3498]

100% agree. If they couldn't have Niko (I don't even like that idea, miserable as he was) they should have replaced him with a new character or just scrapped the scene.

[@DrsJacksonn]

@@fuzzyslippersyt Johnny ending up like that was sad enough. Doing it to Niko would have been too big an insult.

[@topmemeplug]

cause they showed he’s main weak, falling in love on a drug addict girl which was using him to solve her problems, even in dialogue in gta 4 Malcom said bout this but Johny didnt want to hear him. This is perfect story bout strong person but falling cause of his kindness

[@tylertwinkletips1745]

I appreciated the biker aesthetic, Johnny as a character, and his pretty tragic story. This is one of my favorite DLCs

[@nobodyjustacreep]

Same... Probly the most relatable to me even when i was 12, its always been my favorite. My mom's side of the family tho were bikers so that probly contributed to it being my favorite.... Makes me sad the way they killed johnny

[@lullaby.for.arsonists7329]

@@nobodyjustacreep just ignore the GTA 5 story, non of them really matter to eachother anyway

[@noe9379]

Johnny was the most realistic character for me. Lost but not forgotten!

[@subjectdelta17]

​@nobodyjustacreep just remember that Johnny is canonically killed by Trevor 5 years later and there's nothing you can do about it. Pretending like it's not canon is like Johnny pretending that Ash would change her ways. It's pure delusion

[@oliverpony]

One thing you forgot to mention that Unlike GTA 4 where you can fall off a bike easier in this game your butt is glued

[@TheCakeIsNotLie]

honestly, i just played through the dlc for the first time and got the impression that, for a rough tough killer biker, johnny was actually a really good guy

[@lullaby.for.arsonists7329]

He spends the entire game trying to make everyone just do business and consistently goes out of his way to help people and Ashley up until the end, all for GTA 5 just to trash their story. (which mind you THEY themselves wrapped up) Really burns my ass dawg

[@udaythambimuthu3176]

Not an criminals are pieces of shit, you know, even murderers can have their good qualities. Nobody is born evil, and it takes some people a lot longer to lose their souls, if they ever do. Unfortunately though, the gangsta lifestyle is not one that rewards compassion, wisdom, or forethought. People are complicated, especially people stuck in the life, with seemingly no way out. You try to minimize the collateral damage, right up until something breaks you, and you either find a way out, or you become one of the monsters. Seems like the guys with a conscience die first, though.

[@bramv7174]

It still sucks what happend to Johnny in GTA V. He deserved better!

[@n.b.l.5709]

For real

[@ADotThaGod]

“You’re a good man Johnny, things shoulda worked out better for ya” -Angus

[@fistovuzi]

they did my boy Johnny dirty. F

[@harveyanimations8974]

Trevor obviously thought otherwise

[@anthonyh8154]

The thing with Rockstar nowadays, is that for some odd reason they've re-used way too many characters from previous games. Makes it feel effortless and stagnant. Johnny, Ashley, Bruce, Gay Tony, Terry & Clay, Rocco, Karen (Michelle), Packie, Willie, Poppy, Marnie, Kerry, Al Di Napoli, I can't say Lazlow since he's been in a ton of gta's but I think I've made my point.

[@Alduin3914]

I bloody love this game, badass story. And it had a kickass theme song when the game starts, and guitar solo song when you finish the missions.

[@mdogg094]

The number one thing the Lost and the Damned did for Rockstar’s game dev practices is introduce mission checkpoints. That’s the main reason I am way more likely to replay the dlcs for gta iv over the main game!

[@rosagem542]

The part I like the most about the scene where Johnny goes to pick up Marta, is that he confronts the man harassing her as soon as he sees it, not even aware who she is until he asks.

[@senormarston]

"Oh, stop, domestic violence" 😂😂 that line cracks me up

[@dakotagreen9199]

Imagine if niko was in gta 6 and died 2 seconds into the game by getting g hit by a truck while crossing the road. That's how I felt when trevor killed johnny

[@DennisMaltzev]

@hishenmathurin2844 But didn't Johnny disband the Lost in his story, broke up with Ashley and said that he was going to support his dead friend's family? It really seemed like a clean start and then R* flushed all of this into a toilet

[@jankemjunkie6564]

@@DennisMaltzevI think it’s a round about way of saying karma’s a bitch

[@GlennDavey]

So... hear me out. John Marston in Red Dead Redemption is basically a biker from Lost and Damned. All the mo-cap styles and clothing choice fit a biker stuck in a Western more than a true cowboy. They keep calling him a "city man"... like he's meant to be on a bike not a horse.

[@nicslayer8018]

Not gonna lie I lowkey agree and see john marston as a biker 😂

[@mrwillard95]

Bruh... you may be on to something here.

[@GlennDavey]

@@mrwillard95 One game was made directly after the other, so it's how they were trying to bring modern GTA fans into an old Western game

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

The fact both the Lost and the Van Der Linde gang had a similar story of tragedy makes this comparison even more worthy.

[@Originalchili]

I mean yea, bikers are meant to represent the old style freedom, hell, "steel horse I ride" is about a motorcycle

[@abluecar5375]

The gang is just called "The Lost" which derives from Vietnam veterans naming the club after their lost comrades The Lost And Damned is just the title of the game lol

[@genuinesaucy]

The airport assassination mission is one of my all-time favorites. I botched it big time, and the guy started running away down the tarmac too far for me to catch, but there was a helicopter nearby, so I got in it, flew up behind him, and mulched him with the rotor blades. His ragdoll went cartwheeling into the ocean, and I flew off into the sunset to the Mission Complete jingle.

[@GlennDavey]

Lost and Damned became Biker Gangs in GTA online. And BoGT became the Nightclub. A lot of the good stuff from GTAIV was folded into GTA Online. Pity its missing a lot of other stuff. Hopefully VI brings back some favourites

[@Xyoni_htklv]

I may be in minority but I really liked the GTA IV story and DLCs. And how all of it connected. I only wish GTA V was more like GTA 4 with a serious story instead of going all Fast and Furious style over the top Shit. I know that 90% of the player-based hated the GTA4 story so no hope for a story like this.

[@youmakenosense7437]

LMAO, what? Literally most people agree that GTA IV has the best story in the franchise. Stop trying to feel special with popular opinions, you even have the nerve to create statistics out of nowhere.

[@newman-tornado1007]

​@@youmakenosense7437Well, the success of ballad of gay tony and gta V pretty much confirms that most people prefer crazy and hollywoodish stories over deep and drepressing writing, at least on the gta franchise.

[@newman-tornado1007]

And judging by it's first trailer, we can already tell that gta VI is going that same route, unfortunatly. With the introduction of 2 main characters instead of 3, and having Red dead redemption 2 as their most recent exemple of storytelling, i'm really hoping that they take a more serious approach on the next game, because gta IV already showed us that it is possible in that crazy universe that gta is in and I love it.

[@therookie5714]

Gta 4 was a depression simulator and I love it for it. I doubt they could do better than gta 4 in terms of darkness and grit

[@hey01e5]

13 year old me was SO angry watching klebitz become out of character and killed off for cheap shock value, just to make a shocking spotlight for the new, "badass" protagonist. he deserved so much better. terry and clay was just salt in the wound johnny klebitz got the joel miller treatment loooong before joel miller also got killed in a bs way.

[@TripleR250]

2008 - 2009 Sons of Anarchy mercenaries 2 GTA Lost and Dammed was a great time to be into Bikers!

[@ZxTHEJAILOR]

TLAD will always be my favorite gta game I was so upset when Johnny got killed in 5.

[@juuuxie2631]

This video is so incredibly well made yet so underappreciated (just like this expansion lmao) Def got my sub bro. Can't wait to see you make it big 💪

[@acayette]

Bro can't even read the title right, and it's written all over the logo....

[@_Boobear_]

Pretty cool that Bill Burr voiced Jason in both games

[@HecKs32x]

These videos are amazing, and I’m glad I found them considering i’ve been playing gta iv lately.

[@fuzzyslippersyt]

Thanks for watching! If you missed it, you can watch the first part of the GTA IV Retrospective here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHXIZ6V8q7aEb6s

[@GlennDavey]

10:21 "the problems with the lar" what accent is that? Genuine question. Boston, something like that?

[@GlennDavey]

6:16 The original Dutch Van Der Linde

[@GlennDavey]

12:35 Billy gives a big Dutch Van Der Linde speech

[@GlennDavey]

37:11 John[ny] and Dutch on the cliff

[@randomhobo3614]

If you think about it this way Elizabeta was on the top of her game until her drug use paranoia, which caused deals to go wrong, which then got the feds involved, which then made more paranoia and more bad deal it's very subtle character development

[@lasarousi]

I'm sure you've already heard this a couple hundred times, but it's real nice to see someone being this focused and "professional" with a small subscriber base.

[@Ardeesv]

So this got suggested to me today, I’m 14 minutes in and you’ve already earned yourself a new subscriber! Looking forward to watching your journey 👊

[@kimmoreels7950]

good :)

[@Buss620]

R.I.P Johnathan "Johnny" Klebitz Lost but not forgotten

[@dkaun5811]

Great video man this definitely deserves more likes

[@almostfree9255]

This a very good video I don't know why you don't have more subscribers keep up the good work bro

[@thecricket1564]

I hate how dirty gta5 does the lost. Even in gta5 online the lost is the "punching bag" gang in it. Whenever I'm doing biker missions I'm always killing lost mc members. Which I dislike doing but oh well.

[@vadamane]

When Billy was smoking weed with that one dude, he laced the weed with peyote/mescaline which doesn’t make sense because that cannot be smoked.

[@AlexKS1992]

This little game got me interested in 1% outlaw biker culture.

[@generalkenobi066]

Bikeriders just came out Haven't seen it yet but been hearing good stuff I just find MC lifestyle very cool and appealing Also it's a good setting for telling a good story

[@AlexKS1992]

@@generalkenobi066 Thanks for me telling me that.

[@gogitoDBZ963]

While TLAD came before Sons of Anarchy, I couldn’t help but notice that some of the characters reminded me of the SOA Cast. Billy had a bit of Clay, because he was a President that, ultimately never cared about the club. Johnny had elements of Jax, as both wanted to restore their club to its former glory, and lead it in the right direction, eventually becoming President themselves. Brian was a weird one. It’s either Juice or Tig. Because Juice betrayed the club, to protect a secret of his (Which none of the members ever cared about anyway) and Tig, because he was Clay’s Right Hand. And would back him no matter what. But unlike Brian, he actually saw that, his President wasn’t ALWAYS in the right. Can’t say the rest of the TLAD cast reminds me of the SOA Cast. Maybe Ashley, because Wendy had a drug problem. At the very least, Wendy actually wanted to get clean. Ashley just wanted to be high all the time and leech off of Johnny.

[@luisfernandolopez9794]

Yea Grand Theft Auto IV (4) The Lost And Damned DLC was based of off sons of anarchy

[@googaboogaloo]

@12:08 Jason is voiced by Bill Burr

[@Berserkerenergy]

TLAD is still pretty Awesome and One of my Absolute Favorite Biker Game and Johnny Klebitz is One of My Favorite Charachter in The GTA Series and i Still hate that they ruined his Story.

[@michaelwalsh3474]

I remember playing this back in the day. Seeing your video now and seeing Johnny with a fresh set of eyes really makes the way Trevor takes him out in GTA 5 pretty weird

[@ohmanhotham8823]

Johnny was hands down one of my favorite characters, funny yet badass. While I love Trevor’s character, I wish Johnny was the one to stomp Trevor out.

[@VisComicaV]

hell yeah, dude! been looking forward to this one :)

[@vadamane]

The gta 4 DLC’s didn’t even come mount 2 years after the original game. I wish they kept working on it for another 6 months or so. We never got to see the full potential of gta 4.

[@mr.andrew7820]

They were working on GTA Chinatown at the same time as 4 and the Dlcs and GTA 5 development was starting in 2009

[@TK-hs8pt]

jason is 100% bill burr 🤣

[@ericl5871]

I did not notice that 😂😂

[@mrowley7300]

That main theme though

[@UpstreamNL]

Great video and good overview. I liked both DLCs, but BoGT was slightly more fun

[@micahhill4786]

Gta 4 the lost and damned is the predecessor of the Red Dead Redemption2 series. Billy went insane like Dutch and Johnny is very much like Author.

[@kvndreamteam]

As Johnny was leaving the museum, he saw some dead bodies Niko left behind. Then Johnny admitted to himself that Niko is a "dangerous mo******cker"...

[@Whitejesus425]

Love your videos. Blast from the past lol .

[@nagger8216]

Only thing I don't get is why would Johnny choose to escalate the conflict with the Angels of Death by doing the Gang Wars? That said, it's still a good new addition

[@babeypete]

considering it had already been escalated, may as well get it done.

[@douglassfunnie9959]

"They tried so hard and got so far. But in the end it doesn't even matter."

[@notaflightreactsfan3706]

really have been enjoying your channel, keep up the great work these videos are great!

[@Favrefan297]

Rockstar needs a full biker themed GTA.

[@madfoxgaming2493]

Underrated story

[@GlennDavey]

Saves me playing it again

[@TerryThorpeTLMC]

Hearing Jason always makes me think of Bill Burr

[@tylerkovalsky7692]

He voices him so it should. Lol

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

Bill Burr, Ricky Gervais and Jason Sudeikis. Even if celebrity voice talent was massively scaled down from the 3D Universe games, they still managed to get some heavyweights on board eh

[@ethankiter9323]

I also like that they brought back some older bikes and vehicles like the Angel from Vice City and the Wayfarer and Slamvan from San Andreas

[@davidb4150]

The 1st minute of this video describes exactly how I originally felt about GTA 4 and the DLCs and how much I appreciate them today, for example I wasn't to happy with GTA 4 didn't play LaD and BaGT 4 or 5 years after the release of GTA 4.

[@cozza819]

Well made video dude.

[@doonishsan]

37:43 Idk if I am remembering this mission wrong, but it was so easy for me I just went in with my chopper with the gang, take out Billy without listening or confronting him and then escape.

[@fuzzyslippersyt]

Chances are you most likely didn't pull a pistol on him, that's what triggers the execution and speech. As for the rest of it, it wasn't bad but you do gotta take a decent amount of cover or get shredded.

[@jucalebre7540]

Nice video my man, glad I found your channel

[@YeTheGOATNoCap]

Kinda deflating to play this DLC knowing what happens to the Lost MC in GTA 5.

[@SHDW-nf2ki]

The Lost NPCs dying super easy made a lot of sense to me because it makes it feel like the gang is in really dire straights when all their members are getting their asses beat.

[@No-vq1iv]

It's The Lost AND Damned, there's no "the" before Damned. I know I shouldn't care about this but it seems like everybody on KZbin does it and it's really annoying for some reason.

[@harveyanimations8974]

Gang wars are fun as hell

[@thedemon9692]

It’s crazy between gta4 and the dlcs every deal involving the diamonds the H or the coke all go to crap it’s really amazing how the story ties in between the 3 games

[@Designsfrmfreezer]

Bro the oo stop domestic violence is foul😂😂

[@deathknight6255]

27:32 that mission was a direct reference to the colombian movie Maria Llena Eres De Gracia, and she wasn't sexually harassed, she's been caught smuggling heroin inside her stomach. Some relatively old movie, but worth to watch.

[@NicholasUmstead]

Shame that the lost became just another enemy crew that try’s to stop you during missions in gta 5

[@dale1809]

Rockstar, like many others will always have a place in my heart

[@vadamane]

The “soup” that the chef hid the diamonds in was actually cake batter. He baked them in there to make it easier to smuggle into the city

[@ianconroy4365]

never noticed that bill burr voiced jason

[@thelastarcadegamer6655]

I hadn’t even heard of SoA when I played the dlc’s

[@leapoldstotch4987]

This is my favourite dlc was so much fun botg was great too

[@rickgrimes8870]

Gosh, I love TLaD.

[@garrettkujo26]

Billy to me kind of feels like a prototype Dutch Van Der Linde from Red Dead Redemption and its sequel, more so its sequel. Since I noticed alot of the same tactics Billy uses that Dutch does to maintain loyalty. Even down to some of the members doubting their leader and the actions he's been taking.

[@fistovuzi]

been binging some of your vids and just realized i haven't subbed. my bad. subbed. you got some great content, dude.

[@WBM_EXITHUNT]

Amazing video playa

[@themonsteraddictmmxvi1564]

Jason sounds like Bill Burr Edit: it was Bill Burr. I'm so dumb

[@boxcarthehusky420]

The only thing I liked about the lost and damned was the sawed off double barrel shotgun, the bikes and cars they added. I just wish they were in the main game

[@makosimp5022]

Also one thing, Johnny didnt betray Ray. Ray snubs Johnny out of payment almost every mission, despite paying Niko immediately. It's also made apparent he set up Johnny to get shot and killed after the deal with the diamonds so he would never get the cash in the first place. Johnny got smart and ran with the cash first

[@TonyfromTO]

That was a great intro quote and song

[@99bigfan]

I didn’t realize Bill Burr voiced Jason lol 12:13

[@anthonyt1t5]

Brian trying to mock johnny is so fucking funny lmao

[@Dhips.]

I really enjoyed this DLC. It still annoys me a bit how Rockstar shit all over The Lost in GT5. Frankly it really made it not lcare about Trevor.

[@Sh0ckV]

trevor >>>>> any member of the lost

[@blinkyy1088]

@@Sh0ckVbro really has fucking quotes from GTA V in his account

[@MacDonald2500]

instant like for Sepultura in the intro

[@lasarousi]

I love all of gta4, in my head the DLC content seems a nod to past Rockstar Games in the series. The ballad of gay Tony is like the 3D era, fun personal violence focused on money like vice city. While the lost and damn are like the 2D era of gang focused missions that it's less parody and satire and just gritty vehicular gang violence.

[@RobertWWD]

I never understood this DLC because not only Billy and Brian never explained why they betrayed Johnny but they raced swapped Jim making the game even more confusing.

[@muther1997]

Gta 5’s johnny was the compete opposite of johnny and was so far from where TLaD left off. And sadly the ones created in gta 5 weren’t great

[@tone-e3358]

Jesus I'm getting old this game is getting a retrospective lol

[@Metaltrippin2]

For any metal and hardcore fans the soundtrack has some gems from sepultura all the way to killing time, New York hardcore legends

[@Dabadi4834]

Brothers for life lost forever!!!

[@elchomper.1063]

Best soundtrack of any GTA. Cannibal corpse possessed Dio scorpions.

[@Foxo-Matti12]

Johnny deserved better.

[@Jeff.3]

4:00 says this tends not to get him bumping heads as a member bumps into the back of a truck

[@jucalebre7540]

I hate what they did to Johnny GTA V, so shitty

[@Paleto-A1]

For some reason, every gta game based in liberty city tend to have a pretty serious/violent lore.

[@RiOT5111]

“I am what I am, but I look out for those who help me” say what ya want bout Stubbs he’s honorable for a politician

[@pauljmcmillan]

I loved this.

[@jonasreis90]

Jhonny K. is probally my favorite characte of GTA series, I hate so much how they treated him in GTA V and made me hate even moe Trevor

[@futurestoryteller]

I say this knowing full well I'm playing with fire, but I've got to get it off my chest. I've never been real impressed with the writing in Rockstar's games. Johnny Klebitz is just John Marston on a motorcycle, he doesn't have a a son, but Ashley is Abigail minus affection and plus a drug problem. The only way this could read more like fan fiction is if Billy had the same first initial as Dutch, like the other two, then obviously, there's the gang. Honestly I'm surprised they didn't make Abigail addicted to opoids or something when they finally did make RDR2 - because remember she also slept with the whole gang! But none of that actually bothers me, what bothers me is that there are no surprises. You don't ever think to yourself, "Hey you know, they're brothers - maybe this is just a rough patch and Johnny and Billy will get through this and get along!" Which is just an example but you see my point. And even though the writing is monumentally better in both Red Dead games this same predictability carries on into RDR2. The relationships between the Johns (or Arthur as he was later conceived) and their masters is not one that progresses. We don't see their relationship change, we are informed that it has already changed and we very slowly watch it conclude from the middle. These games are long too, they could do it more like a TV show, if they tried. If I'm not mistaken in the Sons of Anarchy the animosity between Clay and Jax sees them in pretty firm alliance a few times before they're tensions finally come to a head. And from just reading the wiki for how it does end between them, I can say: not in the personal way you'd probably expect. It evolves over time. Unlike in these games where it's like: "Hear ye, Hear ye, come one come all, see what happens when an unstoppable force meets in immovable object!" and then one of them just blows right through the other. Dutch is so "head empty: only bs" - he repeats so many times that it became a meme... "I have a plan!" All the writers EVER do is reinforce, they never reinvent, recontextualize, re-evaluate, or recalibrate. Johnny thinks Billy is a hothead who is going to get them killed, so we have to show in EVERY MISSION that Billy is a hothead who is going to get them killed. How is this "great" writing to so many people? When it comes to GTA V I credit them for trying to be somewhat original but is so all over the place that unless your'e _supposed_ to kill Trevor I don't even know what it's trying to be about. GTA IV gets similar credit, and it's more coherent, but is still very by the numbers in a lot of key ways. Their satire is really obvious too, make fun of self-interested, capitalist greed, with cynical over the top characters surrounded by stupid morons who don't know what's going on; representing a whole bunch of their player base who don't get that GTA is supposed to be a joke about the country and not a blueprint for it, and then themselves when they get even more greedy bloating tf out of online mode. They even Gamified Scarface before the Scarface game! Scarface took a lot of well earned crap for ruining the ending, and thus the point, of the original movie, hilariously Vice City, which doesn't even get crap for being a virtual carbon copy of that movie did the same thing, only because it was stolen you had to get to the end to have it ruined. It's not that all this is just bad. So my opinion here is largely subjective, (not always as evident as plagiarizing Scarface) but I feel like people only like it so much because it's not _terrible_ and it's in really fun games. Otherwise would people even care? You know most people don't even play the story mode, even before online, statistically speaking, basically, no one ever finishes them. Stop me if you've heard this one: Your hero is a somewhat vulnerable, highly judgmental, but ultimately amoral mass murderer, who'd rather lecture other people on their faults than recognize and change the err of his ways - You got it! It's every protagonist in a Rockstar game since at least San Andreas! And remember there are only three locations in the entire world and despite the existence of Florida, *Trevor* is situated in one of the other two. One of these unstated patterns is the main reason Red Dead Redemption, and Gay Tony immediately stood out to me when I played them. I thought for sure Luis was going to have to kill Tony by the end. This pattern of work for a guy, have a falling out, and then pop him is so present in Rockstar games that Lamar actually hangs a lampshade over it at the beginning of Five. In Read Dead John took all sorts of missions from people I thought were shady and almost surely going to die, only for many if not most of them to become reliable allies. The plot of the game is more impressive for other reasons, but I've rambled enough. In contrast the hype machine of public perception, as far as I can tell they make great games with okay stories, but as stories themselves they don't hold a candle to the movies that inspired them

[@laflame5806]

Well the dialogue is always great tho. Thats what makes these games for me.

[@colindowden2182]

Wow this comment was a whole lot of nothing.

[@futurestoryteller]

@@colindowden2182 Couldn't agree more. Total waste of time. You probably shouldn't have written it then.

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

The gang is just called “The Lost.” Fyi

[@Flawcreek]

LOL I was waiting for someone to point this out.

[@anthonyt1t5]

I would have still called the lost mc, sounds kind of cooler to say

[@tamedpassions9523]

i miss when rockstar actually cared about their games, i remember Rdr having a million quality online updates and Undead Nightmare, and GTA 4 getting both TLAD and TBOGT. Now all we get is grindy cash grabs for GTAO and lazy grindy “updates” for RDRO, of course, when we actually got them, like 4 years ago, since all we get know is 50% off canned beans.