GTA IV - The Lost and Damned Retrospective

GTA IV - The Lost and Damned Retrospective
Part 2 of my GTA IV Retrospective, this time on the first DLC expansion, The Lost and Damned.
#GTAIV #thelostanddamned #grandtheftauto

[@isaacgarcia771]

The Lost And Damned is my favorite version of GTA ever. The way Johnny, Clay, and Terry were done dirty in GTA5 still bugs me.

[@leapoldstotch4987]

Yeah the unlikely meth head seemed a bit far fetched!

[@nicslayer8018]

After everything Johnny has done in liberty just for rockstar to make him look weak and kill him off to make Trevor look crazy it’s just so stupid how they did Johnny

[@isaacgarcia771]

@@nicslayer8018 Agreed.

[@jamesgatz5301]

I kill Trevor every time because of how he did Johnny K dirty.

[@AH-is5yg]

yeah, they should have given Johnny and the others a proper death scene instead of that.

[@tylertwinkletips1745]

I appreciated the biker aesthetic, Johnny as a character, and his pretty tragic story. This is one of my favorite DLCs

[@nobodyjustacreep]

Same... Probly the most relatable to me even when i was 12, its always been my favorite. My mom's side of the family tho were bikers so that probly contributed to it being my favorite.... Makes me sad the way they killed johnny

[@lullaby.for.arsonists7329]

@@nobodyjustacreep just ignore the GTA 5 story, non of them really matter to eachother anyway

[@noe9379]

Johnny was the most realistic character for me. Lost but not forgotten!

[@subjectdelta17]

​@nobodyjustacreep just remember that Johnny is canonically killed by Trevor 5 years later and there's nothing you can do about it. Pretending like it's not canon is like Johnny pretending that Ash would change her ways. It's pure delusion

[@TheCakeIsNotLie]

honestly, i just played through the dlc for the first time and got the impression that, for a rough tough killer biker, johnny was actually a really good guy

[@lullaby.for.arsonists7329]

He spends the entire game trying to make everyone just do business and consistently goes out of his way to help people and Ashley up until the end, all for GTA 5 just to trash their story. (which mind you THEY themselves wrapped up) Really burns my ass dawg

[@udaythambimuthu3176]

Not an criminals are pieces of shit, you know, even murderers can have their good qualities. Nobody is born evil, and it takes some people a lot longer to lose their souls, if they ever do. Unfortunately though, the gangsta lifestyle is not one that rewards compassion, wisdom, or forethought. People are complicated, especially people stuck in the life, with seemingly no way out. You try to minimize the collateral damage, right up until something breaks you, and you either find a way out, or you become one of the monsters. Seems like the guys with a conscience die first, though.

[@bramv7174]

It still sucks what happend to Johnny in GTA V. He deserved better!

[@n.b.l.5709]

For real

[@ADotThaGod]

“You’re a good man Johnny, things shoulda worked out better for ya” -Angus

[@fistovuzi]

they did my boy Johnny dirty. F

[@harveyanimations8974]

Trevor obviously thought otherwise

[@anthonyh8154]

The thing with Rockstar nowadays, is that for some odd reason they've re-used way too many characters from previous games. Makes it feel effortless and stagnant. Johnny, Ashley, Bruce, Gay Tony, Terry & Clay, Rocco, Karen (Michelle), Packie, Willie, Poppy, Marnie, Kerry, Al Di Napoli, I can't say Lazlow since he's been in a ton of gta's but I think I've made my point.

[@genuinesaucy]

The airport assassination mission is one of my all-time favorites. I botched it big time, and the guy started running away down the tarmac too far for me to catch, but there was a helicopter nearby, so I got in it, flew up behind him, and mulched him with the rotor blades. His ragdoll went cartwheeling into the ocean, and I flew off into the sunset to the Mission Complete jingle.

[@DeadPixel1105]

The way Rockstar treated Johnny in GTA 5 was really disappointing. Also, the way he's represented in GTA 5 seems really 'out of character' and just out of nowhere. We see in the Lost and Damned DLC that Johnny is a pretty rational and level-headed guy, as was pointed out in this video. He never shows any interest in doing hard drugs or being a degenerate (like Ashley). And by the end of the DLC it seems as Johnny has really grown and matured even more. He's much smarter, wiser, and mentally stronger. He finally tells off Ashley, for example - realizing that she's nothing but trouble and a waste of time and effort. But then in GTA 5, Johnny is suddenly a strung-out meth addict. And he's back with Ashley and seems totally devoted to her and head-over-heels in love with her - going so far as to even get himself killed over her. Seeing what Johnny is like at the end of the Lost and Damned DLC and then seeing what he's like in GTA 5, it just makes no sense at all. I really don't understand what the Rockstar writers were thinking. It makes no sense.

[@fuzzyslippersyt]

Yes! Thank you! I'm saving it till I review GTA V, but I couldn't agree more. Honestly I think they did it for shock value, origionally wanted it to be Nico (his Voice actor was beefing with them hard over pay) and they bitched out and went with Johnny.

[@DeadPixel1105]

@@fuzzyslippersyt Looking forward to your GTA V review! You make fantastic videos. The devs originally were going to use Niko in GTA V, rather than Johnny? I never knew that. Even though it's stupid that they used Johnny, it would have been WAY worse if they used Niko, for sure. That would have been even more out of character and nonsensical lol Have a great night! Merry Christmas to you and your fam.

[@danbardos3498]

100% agree. If they couldn't have Niko (I don't even like that idea, miserable as he was) they should have replaced him with a new character or just scrapped the scene.

[@DrsJacksonn]

@@fuzzyslippersyt Johnny ending up like that was sad enough. Doing it to Niko would have been too big an insult.

[@big420playa]

cause they showed he’s main weak, falling in love on a drug addict girl which was using him to solve her problems, even in dialogue in gta 4 Malcom said bout this but Johny didnt want to hear him. This is perfect story bout strong person but falling cause of his kindness

[@rosagem542]

The part I like the most about the scene where Johnny goes to pick up Marta, is that he confronts the man harassing her as soon as he sees it, not even aware who she is until he asks.

[@abluecar5375]

The gang is just called "The Lost" which derives from Vietnam veterans naming the club after their lost comrades The Lost And Damned is just the title of the game lol

[@Xyoni_htklv]

I may be in minority but I really liked the GTA IV story and DLCs. And how all of it connected. I only wish GTA V was more like GTA 4 with a serious story instead of going all Fast and Furious style over the top Shit. I know that 90% of the player-based hated the GTA4 story so no hope for a story like this.

[@youmakenosense7437]

LMAO, what? Literally most people agree that GTA IV has the best story in the franchise. Stop trying to feel special with popular opinions, you even have the nerve to create statistics out of nowhere.

[@labelnine]

they pulled of serious story telling in red dead redemption 2 , and it was fantastic

[@newman-tornado1007]

​@@youmakenosense7437Well, the success of ballad of gay tony and gta V pretty much confirms that most people prefer crazy and hollywoodish stories over deep and drepressing writing, at least on the gta franchise.

[@newman-tornado1007]

And judging by it's first trailer, we can already tell that gta VI is going that same route, unfortunatly. With the introduction of 2 main characters instead of 3, and having Red dead redemption 2 as their most recent exemple of storytelling, i'm really hoping that they take a more serious approach on the next game, because gta IV already showed us that it is possible in that crazy universe that gta is in and I love it.

[@therookie5714]

Gta 4 was a depression simulator and I love it for it. I doubt they could do better than gta 4 in terms of darkness and grit

[@mdogg094]

The number one thing the Lost and the Damned did for Rockstar’s game dev practices is introduce mission checkpoints. That’s the main reason I am way more likely to replay the dlcs for gta iv over the main game!

[@labelnine]

Billy speech in beginning of the videos reminds me of Dutch Van Der Linde speech , the leader of the gang that disapointted in the modern world and with his own philopshy living free , whole tlad dlc is like red dead 2 storytelling , confrontantions in the gang between themselves , and Johnny has his own allies and they are also has doubts in their leader Billy and thinks he looking for fighting , chaos like with Dutch

[@joaqu7002]

The whole DLC is a parallel with rdr2, seems like they used it to experiment with such a storyline and perfected it in Red Dead

[@ZxTHEJAILOR]

TLAD will always be my favorite gta game I was so upset when Johnny got killed in 5.

[@_Boobear_]

Pretty cool that Bill Burr voiced Jason in both games

[@GlennDavey]

Lost and Damned became Biker Gangs in GTA online. And BoGT became the Nightclub. A lot of the good stuff from GTAIV was folded into GTA Online. Pity its missing a lot of other stuff. Hopefully VI brings back some favourites

[@fuzzyslippersyt]

Thanks for watching! If you missed it, you can watch the first part of the GTA IV Retrospective here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHXIZ6V8q7aEb6s

[@GlennDavey]

10:21 "the problems with the lar" what accent is that? Genuine question. Boston, something like that?

[@Buss620]

R.I.P Johnathan "Johnny" Klebitz Lost but not forgotten

[@GlennDavey]

6:16 The original Dutch Van Der Linde

[@GlennDavey]

12:35 Billy gives a big Dutch Van Der Linde speech

[@GlennDavey]

37:11 John[ny] and Dutch on the cliff

[@TK-hs8pt]

jason is 100% bill burr 🤣

[@ericl5871]

I did not notice that 😂😂

[@TripleR250]

2008 - 2009 Sons of Anarchy mercenaries 2 GTA Lost and Dammed was a great time to be into Bikers!

[@randomhobo3614]

If you think about it this way Elizabeta was on the top of her game until her drug use paranoia, which caused deals to go wrong, which then got the feds involved, which then made more paranoia and more bad deal it's very subtle character development

[@juuuxie2631]

This video is so incredibly well made yet so underappreciated (just like this expansion lmao) Def got my sub bro. Can't wait to see you make it big 💪

[@acayette]

Bro can't even read the title right, and it's written all over the logo....

[@thecricket1564]

I hate how dirty gta5 does the lost. Even in gta5 online the lost is the "punching bag" gang in it. Whenever I'm doing biker missions I'm always killing lost mc members. Which I dislike doing but oh well.

[@ohmanhotham8823]

Johnny was hands down one of my favorite characters, funny yet badass. While I love Trevor’s character, I wish Johnny was the one to stomp Trevor out.

[@lasarousi]

I'm sure you've already heard this a couple hundred times, but it's real nice to see someone being this focused and "professional" with a small subscriber base.

[@HecKs32x]

These videos are amazing, and I’m glad I found them considering i’ve been playing gta iv lately.

[@Ardeesv]

So this got suggested to me today, I’m 14 minutes in and you’ve already earned yourself a new subscriber! Looking forward to watching your journey 👊

[@kimmoreels7950]

good :)

[@YeTheGOATNoCap]

Kinda deflating to play this DLC knowing what happens to the Lost MC in GTA 5.

[@Berserkerenergy]

TLAD is still pretty Awesome and One of my Absolute Favorite Biker Game and Johnny Klebitz is One of My Favorite Charachter in The GTA Series and i Still hate that they ruined his Story.

[@almostfree9255]

This a very good video I don't know why you don't have more subscribers keep up the good work bro

[@dkaun5811]

Great video man this definitely deserves more likes

[@gogitoDBZ963]

While TLAD came before Sons of Anarchy, I couldn’t help but notice that some of the characters reminded me of the SOA Cast. Billy had a bit of Clay, because he was a President that, ultimately never cared about the club. Johnny had elements of Jax, as both wanted to restore their club to its former glory, and lead it in the right direction, eventually becoming President themselves. Brian was a weird one. It’s either Juice or Tig. Because Juice betrayed the club, to protect a secret of his (Which none of the members ever cared about anyway) and Tig, because he was Clay’s Right Hand. And would back him no matter what. But unlike Brian, he actually saw that, his President wasn’t ALWAYS in the right. Can’t say the rest of the TLAD cast reminds me of the SOA Cast. Maybe Ashley, because Wendy had a drug problem. At the very least, Wendy actually wanted to get clean. Ashley just wanted to be high all the time and leech off of Johnny.

[@luisfernandolopez9794]

Yea Grand Theft Auto IV (4) The Lost And Damned DLC was based of off sons of anarchy

[@micahhill4786]

Gta 4 the lost and damned is the predecessor of the Red Dead Redemption2 series. Billy went insane like Dutch and Johnny is very much like Author.

[@googaboogaloo]

@12:08 Jason is voiced by Bill Burr

[@madfoxgaming2493]

Underrated story

[@TerryThorpeTLMC]

Hearing Jason always makes me think of Bill Burr

[@tylerkovalsky7692]

He voices him so it should. Lol

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

Bill Burr, Ricky Gervais and Jason Sudeikis. Even if celebrity voice talent was massively scaled down from the 3D Universe games, they still managed to get some heavyweights on board eh

[@VisComicaV]

hell yeah, dude! been looking forward to this one :)

[@Favrefan297]

Rockstar needs a full biker themed GTA.

[@douglassfunnie9959]

"They tried so hard and got so far. But in the end it doesn't even matter."

[@ethankiter9323]

I also like that they brought back some older bikes and vehicles like the Angel from Vice City and the Wayfarer and Slamvan from San Andreas

[@nagger8216]

Only thing I don't get is why would Johnny choose to escalate the conflict with the Angels of Death by doing the Gang Wars? That said, it's still a good new addition

[@babeypete]

considering it had already been escalated, may as well get it done.

[@jucalebre7540]

I hate what they did to Johnny GTA V, so shitty

[@davidb4150]

The 1st minute of this video describes exactly how I originally felt about GTA 4 and the DLCs and how much I appreciate them today, for example I wasn't to happy with GTA 4 didn't play LaD and BaGT 4 or 5 years after the release of GTA 4.

[@leapoldstotch4987]

This is my favourite dlc was so much fun botg was great too

[@notaflightreactsfan3706]

really have been enjoying your channel, keep up the great work these videos are great!

[@GlennDavey]

Saves me playing it again

[@harveyanimations8974]

Gang wars are fun as hell

[@themonsteraddictmmxvi1564]

Jason sounds like Bill Burr Edit: it was Bill Burr. I'm so dumb

[@Foxo-Matti12]

Johnny deserved better.

[@ianconroy4365]

never noticed that bill burr voiced jason

[@jucalebre7540]

Nice video my man, glad I found your channel

[@deathknight6255]

27:32 that mission was a direct reference to the colombian movie Maria Llena Eres De Gracia, and she wasn't sexually harassed, she's been caught smuggling heroin inside her stomach. Some relatively old movie, but worth to watch.

[@Whitejesus425]

Love your videos. Blast from the past lol .

[@Metaltrippin2]

For any metal and hardcore fans the soundtrack has some gems from sepultura all the way to killing time, New York hardcore legends

[@muther1997]

Gta 5’s johnny was the compete opposite of johnny and was so far from where TLaD left off. And sadly the ones created in gta 5 weren’t great

[@vadamane]

The “soup” that the chef hid the diamonds in was actually cake batter. He baked them in there to make it easier to smuggle into the city

[@doonishsan]

37:43 Idk if I am remembering this mission wrong, but it was so easy for me I just went in with my chopper with the gang, take out Billy without listening or confronting him and then escape.

[@fuzzyslippersyt]

Chances are you most likely didn't pull a pistol on him, that's what triggers the execution and speech. As for the rest of it, it wasn't bad but you do gotta take a decent amount of cover or get shredded.

[@thehamvskoopa343]

“I am what I am, but I look out for those who help me” say what ya want bout Stubbs he’s honorable for a politician

[@jonasreis90]

Jhonny K. is probally my favorite characte of GTA series, I hate so much how they treated him in GTA V and made me hate even moe Trevor

[@WBM_EXITHUNT]

Amazing video playa

[@lasarousi]

I love all of gta4, in my head the DLC content seems a nod to past Rockstar Games in the series. The ballad of gay Tony is like the 3D era, fun personal violence focused on money like vice city. While the lost and damn are like the 2D era of gang focused missions that it's less parody and satire and just gritty vehicular gang violence.

[@boxcarthehusky420]

The only thing I liked about the lost and damned was the sawed off double barrel shotgun, the bikes and cars they added. I just wish they were in the main game

[@jasonstrauss9156]

Enjoyed but was very short ,Gay Tony was more like GTA 4

[@fistovuzi]

been binging some of your vids and just realized i haven't subbed. my bad. subbed. you got some great content, dude.

[@Paleto-A1]

For some reason, every gta game based in liberty city tend to have a pretty serious/violent lore.

[@markusk1015]

They’re just called the lost. Not the lost and the damned

[@BIGwillTHEGAME]

The Lost MC

[@Protoman85]

I rank Lost and Damned pretty low in the GTA rankings. The story did almost nothing for me

[@bilalrashad6636]

Same, this story was kind of mediocre

[@johnnydjiurkopff]

​@@bilalrashad6636pacing felt way too rushed.

[@makosimp5022]

Boy what an interesting and deep story about characters finding meaning beyond a life of crime, greed, and selling themselves to people who drag them down to levels they dont deserve. I sure hope the next game in the series doesn't canonically and thematically fuck all that up for the sake of making their new protagonist look cool in the most needlessly tryhard edgy way possible.

[@RobertWWD]

I never understood this DLC because not only Billy and Brian never explained why they betrayed Johnny but they raced swapped Jim making the game even more confusing.

[@tamedpassions9523]

i miss when rockstar actually cared about their games, i remember Rdr having a million quality online updates and Undead Nightmare, and GTA 4 getting both TLAD and TBOGT. Now all we get is grindy cash grabs for GTAO and lazy grindy “updates” for RDRO, of course, when we actually got them, like 4 years ago, since all we get know is 50% off canned beans.

[@reidye]

To me this is definitely the weakest story of the 3 in GTA IV. I don’t dislike it or anything. I actually enjoyed it on a recent play-through. I just think the base game and The Ballad are better.. better weapons and better missions. Better characters too.

[@Dabadi4834]

Brothers for life lost forever!!!

[@MacDonald2500]

instant like for Sepultura in the intro

[@chi-rome100k]

My SONS OF ANARCHY GAME

[@99bigfan]

I didn’t realize Bill Burr voiced Jason lol 12:13

[@xemera1d]

12:08 it's a shame Bill Burr died first😂

[@jediknight129]

iv always wanted a full game version of Lost and The Dammed, a full GTA game with that whole biker club gun running drug dealing a different slice of the underworld. especially if it goes into club politics beyond violence, how the club territory and multiple club areas work, the way that racing is influenced and connected the legitimate and illegal businesses. never played gay Tony.

[@No-vq1iv]

It's The Lost AND Damned, there's no "the" before Damned. I know I shouldn't care about this but it seems like everybody on KZbin does it and it's really annoying for some reason.

[@TonyfromTO]

That was a great intro quote and song

[@logger22]

A lot of people got upset that Johnny was killed off in GTA V really quick. While I totally understand why, it only made sense. At the end of TLAD, it’s pretty obvious Johnny made the foolish decision to give Ashley another chance despite essentially telling her to fuck off it was still pretty obvious he had a soft spot for her. Considering how broken up the Lost was at the end of the game, it would make sense he redeveloped a drug habit to cope with it. He found himself in a John Adams-type situation whereas he was a noble high ranking member of the gang, but was unfit to be a strong leader. We can clearly see in GTA V and GTA Online how poorly the Lost MC was doing in San Andreas. Infighting, corruption, and incompetence. In one of the missions, you can hear a few members not saddened at all of Johnny’s death and said that Billy Grey was a more powerful leader. But Johnny’s life choices and drug habits fell back on him and getting cocky with Trevor over having sex with his girlfriend that uses him wasn’t a good idea in the state he was in. Trevor was right when he told Ron about how weak he was.

[@trae6]

I totally agree! Thanks for wording it way better than I could have lol

[@prajwaljayaraj5887]

Thank you! I was going to say the exact same thing.

[@pauljmcmillan]

I loved this.

[@troubleinbound]

The way they did Johnny and the others in 5 feels like it was motivated by spite. Like the writers hated TLAD and loved their own stuff more. Which makes no sense because it was the same writing staff if I recall correctly

[@robbyg1232]

then he gets stomped out by trevor

[@futurestoryteller]

I say this knowing full well I'm playing with fire, but I've got to get it off my chest. I've never been real impressed with the writing in Rockstar's games. Johnny Klebitz is just John Marston on a motorcycle, he doesn't have a a son, but Ashley is Abigail minus affection and plus a drug problem. The only way this could read more like fan fiction is if Billy had the same first initial as Dutch, like the other two, then obviously, there's the gang. Honestly I'm surprised they didn't make Abigail addicted to opoids or something when they finally did make RDR2 - because remember she also slept with the whole gang! But none of that actually bothers me, what bothers me is that there are no surprises. You don't ever think to yourself, "Hey you know, they're brothers - maybe this is just a rough patch and Johnny and Billy will get through this and get along!" Which is just an example but you see my point. And even though the writing is monumentally better in both Red Dead games this same predictability carries on into RDR2. The relationships between the Johns (or Arthur as he was later conceived) and their masters is not one that progresses. We don't see their relationship change, we are informed that it has already changed and we very slowly watch it conclude from the middle. These games are long too, they could do it more like a TV show, if they tried. If I'm not mistaken in the Sons of Anarchy the animosity between Clay and Jax sees them in pretty firm alliance a few times before they're tensions finally come to a head. And from just reading the wiki for how it does end between them, I can say: not in the personal way you'd probably expect. It evolves over time. Unlike in these games where it's like: "Hear ye, Hear ye, come one come all, see what happens when an unstoppable force meets in immovable object!" and then one of them just blows right through the other. Dutch is so "head empty: only bs" - he repeats so many times that it became a meme... "I have a plan!" All the writers EVER do is reinforce, they never reinvent, recontextualize, re-evaluate, or recalibrate. Johnny thinks Billy is a hothead who is going to get them killed, so we have to show in EVERY MISSION that Billy is a hothead who is going to get them killed. How is this "great" writing to so many people? When it comes to GTA V I credit them for trying to be somewhat original but is so all over the place that unless your'e _supposed_ to kill Trevor I don't even know what it's trying to be about. GTA IV gets similar credit, and it's more coherent, but is still very by the numbers in a lot of key ways. Their satire is really obvious too, make fun of self-interested, capitalist greed, with cynical over the top characters surrounded by stupid morons who don't know what's going on; representing a whole bunch of their player base who don't get that GTA is supposed to be a joke about the country and not a blueprint for it, and then themselves when they get even more greedy bloating tf out of online mode. They even Gamified Scarface before the Scarface game! Scarface took a lot of well earned crap for ruining the ending, and thus the point, of the original movie, hilariously Vice City, which doesn't even get crap for being a virtual carbon copy of that movie did the same thing, only because it was stolen you had to get to the end to have it ruined. It's not that all this is just bad. So my opinion here is largely subjective, (not always as evident as plagiarizing Scarface) but I feel like people only like it so much because it's not _terrible_ and it's in really fun games. Otherwise would people even care? You know most people don't even play the story mode, even before online, statistically speaking, basically, no one ever finishes them. Stop me if you've heard this one: Your hero is a somewhat vulnerable, highly judgmental, but ultimately amoral mass murderer, who'd rather lecture other people on their faults than recognize and change the err of his ways - You got it! It's every protagonist in a Rockstar game since at least San Andreas! And remember there are only three locations in the entire world and despite the existence of Florida, *Trevor* is situated in one of the other two. One of these unstated patterns is the main reason Red Dead Redemption, and Gay Tony immediately stood out to me when I played them. I thought for sure Luis was going to have to kill Tony by the end. This pattern of work for a guy, have a falling out, and then pop him is so present in Rockstar games that Lamar actually hangs a lampshade over it at the beginning of Five. In Read Dead John took all sorts of missions from people I thought were shady and almost surely going to die, only for many if not most of them to become reliable allies. The plot of the game is more impressive for other reasons, but I've rambled enough. In contrast the hype machine of public perception, as far as I can tell they make great games with okay stories, but as stories themselves they don't hold a candle to the movies that inspired them

[@laflame5806]

Well the dialogue is always great tho. Thats what makes these games for me.

[@colindowden2182]

Wow this comment was a whole lot of nothing.

[@futurestoryteller]

@@colindowden2182 Couldn't agree more. Total waste of time. You probably shouldn't have written it then.

[@scottjackson369]

Johnny, lost, but, not forgotten

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

The gang is just called “The Lost.” Fyi

[@Flawcreek]

LOL I was waiting for someone to point this out.

[@anthonyt219]

I would have still called the lost mc, sounds kind of cooler to say

[@mobgripchamanrogue]

Well made video

[@pyroAdapt]

Id like ro say rhe lost and damned were like GTA mixed with Sons of anarchy but really it was closer to rhe spin off MAYANS MC in that they suck as a club. They are very disloyal to one another and arent united hardly ever and are not well organized. They make one bad decision after another and it leads to rheir ultimate demise. Now sont get me wrong though rhat doesn't make them badly written. Its a nice change of pace to see stories end with the protagonist losing alot of the time in my opinion and im glad more stories in games wre starting to do that with rheir endings. It feels more realistic somehow. All though i would have preferred for the lost to be alot smarter with their actions and not doing ao much to self sabotage all the time. If they had a rule against drug use and kept their members sover (dont amoke your own supply) and treated one another more lile brothers lile they claim rhey are it would've been better but i suppose this was the story od rgeir downfall and the time when they did so that has long passed.

[@1o98765rtg]

I really hope rockstar makes a sequel to the lost and damned or even maybe angels of death game would be cool

[@Khan-bq8qc]

I had never stopped to think about the whole Ray Buccino thing. It really is kidna of OOC and dumb of Johnny to have done it.

[@tian297]

I accidentally beat up the stripper when I entered the clubhouse for the first time. How can I bring her back lol

[@Jeff.3]

4:00 says this tends not to get him bumping heads as a member bumps into the back of a truck

[@CVoYager]

Underdeveloped characters and story, The Lost and Damned could be a great story where LOST MC slowly falls apart but the pacing is just so bad in this game. Otherwise, it is a good expansion that you can kill easily for 10 hours or so.

[@Detroittruckdoctor55]

My favorite GTA

[@soldiersvejk2053]

When you needed a complete story to qualify a DLC…

[@douglasschultz9808]

Johnny Deserved better that going out the way he did.

[@phantomsoldier87]

Out of everybody, the lost got it the worst smh crappy decisions by the president. Club burnt to the ground. Unraveled peace treaties. And now these guys can't even catch a break and Los Santos lol

[@well1012]

Before anyone criticizes GTA 5 for how Trevor kills Johnny, Terence and Clay like they were, never forget Omar Little’s aftermath in The Wire. It’s the same idea.

[@futurestoryteller]

That's a pretty bold statement, the death of those guys doesn't have the same ingenius irony to it that Omar's had.

[@well1012]

@@futurestoryteller Yes, but you see it all the time when folks say they did Johnny dirty. People largely forget that they’re criminals. Klebitz might have meant the world to us as players, the same way Omar did to us as viewers, but in the end Johnny and co get killed off the way anyone else would from Trevor, whereas Omar simply became another statistic. I’m not saying they’re comparable, but these are a similar genre, crime etc. Don’t see why folks got so hung up in Trevor killing all of them in his very first mission. It didn’t just do to show how “crazy Trevor is” as you see some commenters say, it happens to show just how insignificant human life is to Trevor, and he goes the extra mile by mocking Johnny’s death.

[@futurestoryteller]

@@well1012 I think the real irony when it comes to those who got mad is they are operating under the logic - "Wait, that's how it ends for Johnny - so I did all that for nothing?" Yet they somehow missed the fact that if anything they should have reacted that way the first time

[@TerryThorpeTLMC]

@@well1012 Terry and Clay still got worser death's than Jim or Jason

[@well1012]

@@futurestoryteller Personally, I loved it. These are criminals at the end of the day. Sure the death is shocking, but it threw you straight in Trevor’s world which is basically shoot anything that moves.

[@hundkebab2433]

never was a fan of killing previous protagonists in follow up games just makes you feel that all the work you've put into that previous story and character just went down the toilet and was a huge waste of time

[@Rylan508]

Brothers for life lost forever. The almighty forgives the lost don’t.