Gaggia Espresso Deluxe - PID Espresso for €200!

[@HarbourPoland]

It is amazing how these cheap, simple machines can make the job of doing quite good espressos. I got Dedica, just because I watched your videos and was influenced to get one, and it was sweet little footprint 'spresso maker. Now I have Flair 58, but this Gaggia and similar are so cheap, that when I'd like to get one just for fun and for a little experimenting, it is no problem at all to buy it. I do like your channel, it's very informative and your way of describing things is enjoyable. Keep on doing this, thank you for your dedication to the community, cheers! :-)

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks so much for sharing your story, and feedback! Tom

[@1bbnnkk]

I also started with a Dedica and moved onto a Flair. Espresso folks usually hate on the Dedica and I don’t understand why, it’s a great budget option.

[@cristinmarius]

@@1bbnnkk I don't like it because it's limited on what you can control when pulling a shot and a bit overpriced for what you can find on the market. The only upside is that it does not take a lot of space on the counter. I kept mine because I received it as a gift, but I would not have bought it otherwise.

[@WrongButtonWB]

​@@cristinmarius Dedica is absolutely overpriced for what it is. Doesn't have a single feature to stand out, compared to entry level Gaggia Vivo style, for example, which goes for around 100€. Also, in my country we have an entry lvl appliance, selling for 65euros on a discount (one of Gorenje model), which also has volumetric dosing, like Dedica, which sells for 200€.

[@vedranmendelski5746]

@@WrongButtonWB what kind of Gorenje model? Is it in Croatia? :)

[@MS-jy8nt]

Woah, this Gaggia is surprisingly elegant for a machine of its simplicity.

[@Coffee_Kev]

Thanks for the shout out Tom 😀. Great video! 🙌. Yeah the version I've got is the style, the top is rippled, there's no tray. I've got the Edesia portafilter too, they also do a 53mm one with a metal splitter, too which is the one I've got. Yeah it's a thermoblock heater, and no solenoid. 6:05 jump scare! 🤣 With the style, the base version I have, the icons on the buttons themselves light up, and I really struggled to see it too with studio lighting, but in normal lighting they seem fine. You sure your wand doesn't tilt? Mine does, it was stiff at first though. Cheers😃 Kev.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Kev, thanks for your message! Yes, the steam wand does pull out a little - just gotta jerk on it hard enough. Yes, the machine scared me, as I wasn't expecting it to suddenly prime itself. It was a long delay 😅 In the kitchen, the lights are ok, but still not super visible. But in the studio lighting I couldn't really see them at all. Cheers Kev!

[@Coffee_Kev]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner yeah the wand is stiff although on this one it's loosened off a bit, and it comes out further than it seemed to initially, I'd say about 40-45 degrees. Yeah they're not super bright, I did the same as you when we started filming, thought it was off, we do have bright studio lights though. Cheers, Kev

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for watching, comments welcome!

[@Marysart]

Hi Tom, thank you for the review, been wondering about this machine. Did you know Gaggia has made what appears to be the same machine in collaboration with Amazon? It's called the Gaggia EG 2109. It only comes in Amazon's colours. It's for sale on the european Amazon websites. Gaggia says on their website it's the same machine, but is it...?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for the tip on the EG2109. Yes, it willbe the same one. That looks like the 'Espresso Style'@@Marysart

[@aketabi]

Great video, I really love seeing how these inexpensive espresso machines hold up to your testing. Very cool, amazing value

[@owensy54321]

First time seeing this machine after stumbling on your page, looks cool, compact and the shot looked good. Looking forward to hearing your review after you really test it 👍🏼 thanks Tom

[@ichifrhn2204]

Just found out this channel. I like your style of video, kinda raw, not much editing, but really good review, and i like it that way! Keep up the good work!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Merci! Thanks for your feedback!

[@thisisnotanhandle]

These machines are quite popular in Italy because they make good coffee at a reasonable price. In personal experience they are better than machines from other brands that cost 500 euros and more. Congratulations for your videos and happy holidays.

[@After_GF]

Tom greetings from Greece You know that info you gave about 3rd part normal portafilter, it's gold This is a 110% upgrade

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Pretty cool little Gaggia espresso machine, fun and informative video, nicely done

[@phoenixr6811]

Awesome review 👍🏾I can’t wait until this becomes available in the states😊

[@realretrorelapse]

I was actually waiting to see if you would be reviewing this machine. Awesome stuff my friend.

[@romanhuti2314]

Thx Tom for these nice reviews. Im still in doubt between this Gaggia vs Dedica 885 vs ECP 35.31. But your videos really helping me to feel these items, crucial for me while local stores dont have them in a showrooms. You are doing great videos with passion. Take care!

[@Perfumeguy]

Witch one did you get?

[@Krmpfpks]

This setup is ~$320 including the k4 grinder and the bottomless portafilter. That’s insane value. A few years ago I bought a Commandante hand grinder and a Flair pro 2 and I love it to this day and thought it would be the minimum viable espresso setup. But the commandante alone is more expensive than what you have there.

[@magouliana32]

Plastic pisocrappa 😅

[@homooeconomicus6725]

Good stuff. Can you do comparison with the Dedica to see which cheap espresso machine does the best coffee and gets your recommendation?

[@d4rk_entityy]

Hi tom, waiting for you to open it up, curious how insides look :)

[@santoromichael123]

An interesting and useful video from a positive person. Thank you!

[@Roman49837]

I appreciate the use of the aftermarket porta filter, but for a more fair review, it would be good to see how the OEM one works. I wonder if the plastic components have an impact on taste or temperature. Thanks for the great videos.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

You're right, and I am planning to do a follow up video with this machine in basic form, and advanced. It's just interesting to see how it looks with the bottomless, but yes I realize that not everyone wants to go out and buy an accessory right away. Cheers!

[@Roman49837]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner thanks a lot. Wow, you replied very fast. Not all creators do that. More of a reason to like and subscribe 👍👏

[@AceRamone]

I love your videos but on this one I wish you would have started with the portafilter that came with it so we could see for better or for worse how it comes out of the box stock ❤

[@louisyeung4074]

please do a comp with the bambino plus

[@briantan3931]

Can you set the temperature on the PID?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I don't think so, but I will look into it. According to their website, I don't see any videos about it: www.gaggia.com/manual-machines/espresso-deluxe/

[@QuePID]

The reason the lights are very dim on Gaggia 120V units is because the bulbs are made to handle 230V. A 230V bulb will display one quarter brightness at 120V.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

This is actually a 230V machine. I don't think these little Gaggias are offered in the USA yet.

[@spb4900]

I purchased one of these along with the md15 grinder and a traditional basket before Christmas, still playing with the grind settings

[@miniventure]

Try 4.5

[@cutrera9091]

Hello, I am thinking of buying the recently released Gagia New Classic 2023 Evo model, but they added pid to this new cheap model. I wonder if a new intermediate model with pid added to the Gagia Classic model will come soon. I cannot decide whether it would be more logical to wait. How often do you think the new models of Gagia Classic will be released in 2024 or 2025? Is there a new Gagia New Classic model with a thermometer with added pid or 9 bar pressure features? Is it worth the wait or should the 2023 Evo be purchased?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I’d honestly go with something else. GCP Evo is having issues with boiler coatings, and this little GED is not good in advanced mode.

[@ItaloMike84]

Thanks again for this vid Tom! Funny that I did saw this at Kev's channel too and was wondering why nobody else would do a review on this budget machine. I like the greyish? color of this unit btw! I am wondering how this machine matches up to the Stilosa (which is just 60% of the price ) or Dedica. Would be a nice comparison.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I think it's because it's not readily available...I had to get it off of eBay. It doesn't seem to be much in stock anywhere yet. I am sure more reviews will be coming as it starts to enter the market. Sure, a comparison video will be coming I'm sure in the future. Cheers!

[@neilweaver3133]

Hi the arm does articulate out to the left I like this machine and just learning about espresso

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes, it does in fact. It was just stiff at first.

[@szabogabor2949]

I would like to ask what is the weakness of this device and which one is worth buying?

[@KamisatoElias]

Is the Gaggia Espresso worse than the Sage Bambino / others in the price range? Seems like a good deal for only £180

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Ergonomically and build wise, it’s worse, yes. Espresso is imho somewhat below both of those, as well, I feel probably due to the high pressure and weird shower screen.

[@vladimirflorescu7893]

Thank you for your review. I would expect to review it as is, with it's portafilter and filter. Also, the steam wand is tilting close to 15-20 deg. from vertical. Cheers

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I know, I know. I will do a follow up soon, with both base mode and advanced mode. Just need a little more time. Cheers!

[@sirlimpsalot7767]

I feel like after you add a few must have accessories you are at a base gaggia classic machine... also that water out of the brew head is shooting out it seems

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hmm, I still wouldn't call it a GCP, even with the upgrades.

[@kasperhvid3218]

Interesting to hear the pump going during the steaming process. Seems like they learned from the GCP that this is necesarry with a small boiler.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Well, all thermoblocks require the pump to run while steaming.

[@newhorizons8607]

Hi Tom, enjoyed your review as I bought one following Kev’s review. Still learning how to use it as new to coffee espresso. Was good to watch you just go for it as I had to study the manual as a beginner! Next I need to learn about grinding coffee and getting a reasonably priced grinder… any suggestions as budget limited? Oh, not sure if anyone else mentioned it but the PID does pull outwards as well as rotate.. but its quite stiff to do so… once pulled out it rotates easy still. Will look forward to further posts! Thank you

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi there! Thanks for your post. Which market are you in? Grinder prices vary a lot based on market. Cheers!

[@newhorizons8607]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you Tom, am in England UK. Have a good weekend, Tim

[@newhorizons8607]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner uk

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@newhorizons8607 I'd wait for the DF54 to be honest. It's gonna be a price/performance killer.

[@vesperianstar]

I'm a little thorn between this one and a Dedica since they are similarly priced here. It would be my first machine but I'm really looking into getting into this stuff.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Dedica! Dedica! Dedica! This Gaggia machine is a POS, I've been finding out after having owned it for a few months now.

[@vesperianstar]

Wow! Wasn't expecting an answer. Thanks for your input, I think I'll definitely go for the Dedica.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@vesperianstar If it’s available in your country, go for the EC900.

[@vesperianstar]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner sadly, we haven't got that one in my market. I'm trying to decide between the 885 which is around $290 and the 685 which is around $180. Not sure if the Steam wand is worth the extra 100 which could go to better portafilters and stuff.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@vesperianstar I’d get the EC685, remove the panafello, and put a zip tie on the rubber nozzle, so that it doesn’t fly off when you are steaming milk.

[@roberttrujillo2008]

if you had to choose between this gaggia machine and delonghi 35.31 , which one would you choose??

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Delonghi ECP. This Gaggia is turning out to be fickle for me.

[@jan.frederik]

Does the standard Gaggia Brita Intenza water filter fit with the hoses/plastic tube?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Sorry, I don't know that...

[@boazrand262]

Did the coffee came out hot?

[@D.H.-em3nc]

This is the EG2111 and there seems to be a model EG2109 with different appearence but same internals....anyone know anything?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I think it's just different trims is all. Like I have a metal cup tray, while others may not.

[@sympathetic_crustacean]

Is the PID is hidden in the body? Is it not adjustable? I think maybe I missed something in the video...

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The temperature probe is mounted on the underside of the thermoblock. It is not adjustable.

[@sympathetic_crustacean]

So what's the point of the PID in this case? (not a rhetorical question... I thought the PID is there to adjust brew temp...)@@TomsCoffeeCorner

[@miatakiasgr8390]

Quick question , what is the difference between the new Gaggia Evolution and Deluxe (in offcial site i did not notice anything else than colours) .. Which is better entry level machine at 150e +/-, this Gaggia or the mainstream Delonghi Dedia EC685? Thanks!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I haven't noticed a difference between the Deluxe and Evolution. Currently, I still prefer the Dedica.

[@bush_dao]

Hi Tom, any update on your opinion regarding the Espresso vs. Dedica 885 ? I dont care so much about the milk froth. More interested in the espresso quality.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

So far, I’m thinking the ECP 3420 beats both of those. Just my honest opinion.

[@bush_dao]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you, appreciated.

[@jakobkovacic818]

Ahhh i was so set on getting the dedica. Not so sure anymore.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I will likely do a comparison, but so far I feel that the Dedica is a more mature machine. This one has been giving me quirks in advanced mode.

[@jakobkovacic818]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you for sharing, looking forward to a comparison.

[@aloneinbangkok8534]

this machine is in Thailand as well, I bought it 2 years ago in Bangkok.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Really? Nice! Where'd you find it in Bangkok?

[@TheBicycleCellar]

If you know where we could buy one of these for shipment to the USA, please let us know!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

You'd need a step down transformer, 230V to 110V. They're kind of bulky and heavy...anyway, I like the Dedica better than this.

[@vivavibes]

Is this available in the US or only in Europe? I cant find any for sale, and only see it listed for information on the Gaggia website.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

It's only available so far in Italy, Germany and England, as far as I can tell.

[@nickr9784]

Thanks for doing this budget level. Would you be able to do starseeker grinders?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I hadn't heard of them before. I will have to keep them in mind. Cheers!

[@flabeij1]

This machine seems to make so much noise (around 8:20 min)....the noise is acceptable for you? It's on par with other machines in this price range, or considerably louder? Thanks a lot, Tom! Greetings from The Netherlands.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I wouldn't say it's much louder than any other vibratory pump machine, but maybe it is. I mean the pump is right at the top, and the covering is just plastic. Cheers!

[@gscottfuller]

Tom - Thanks for great review. Does PID allow for any user adjustment to temp or pressure?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Not that I know of. Cheers!

[@WrongButtonWB]

Hi Tom, any info about the PID on this particular model? Have you looked inside perhaps, to confirm it actually has it?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes sir. Video coming tomorrow, observing the innards.

[@oliver.n278]

Do you recommende a bottomless 51mm-portafilter for Delonghi Dedica EC685 or would be a double spout-portafilter like JoeFrex offers better for a beginner? I am concerned I make a lot of mess with a bottomless one.

[@Earendilvingilot13]

I got Joe frex bottomless for Dedica and it works well. Don’t use included spoon to put coffee in the portafilter and use wdt tool. It will certainly improve your shot

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Here's a spouted one: geni.us/Delonghi2Spout (affiliate link) I like bottomless so that I can see the shot, but it does make a mess at times...

[@juansalgadoceledon4374]

Is this one better than dedica delonghi?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I don't think so, no.

[@AndyGait]

Good first use review, but it should have been a fully stock review, with the portafilter that came with it. I'm really interested in this machine. As my budget is tight, I've bought cheap(er) espresso machines and the past and always been disappointed with them. This one looks to be a step up.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I will be doing a review soon enough, in both basic and advanced mode, and some temperature tests as well.

[@AndyGait]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner That's good to know.

[@ZetLAW]

what about the crater in the puck?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

That crater is rough. Not sure why they designed it like that, except for that they're thinking people will just use the pressurized baskets, in which the grounds just become a 'soup' anyway.

[@petes_CE]

For a budget espresso machine, this will fit the bill for many. It does sound a bit loud. Would you say it's over 85 decibels with the pump on?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Well, that depends on where and how you measure, and the acoustics of the environment. I could measure with my iPhone, from 1m away, but I don't know how definitive of an answer that will give.

[@petes_CE]

I think 1 meter away is a good reference point. I live in a small apartment with paper thin walls and I would like a quiet machine that doesn’t bother the neighbors.

[@mikeyoutube3665]

What’s the difference between this and Gaggia Espresso Evolution? There is 20€ of difference and it’s my first time buying a expreso machine. Thanks ;)

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I don’t think there is any difference. At least they look the same to me.

[@bigwave_dave8468]

Great that it´s cheap and functional. Keep in mind that the bottomless PF will cost $48 USD approximately (ebay price in US) so the realistic price would take that into consideration or else you could simply modify the pressurized PF. It looks as if the difference in cost is simply the difference in between plastic and metal build construction along with the PF and 3-way solenoid. A Gaggia Classic Pro EVO can be had for $500 USD -- metal with a 58mm metal PF..you get what you pay for :-)

[@briantan3931]

It looks like you can buy an unpressurized basket to insert into the plastic portafilter. Maybe the one for the Saeco Via Venezia/Poemia will fit

[@bigwave_dave8468]

​@@briantan3931 sure. would likely work (53mm) -- however, I'm with him on the cheapness of the feel of the all plastic PF. coincidentally, I've been playing a lot with the Saeco Via Veneza (a.k.a. Starbucks Barista) which has a very overengineered portafilter - the basket is a normal basket but there's a restriction/valve mechanism that shifts with the handle position -- a bit of a shame really as the body of the thing is solid brass. If you remove the valve mech, you have a non-pressurized if not annoying PF.

[@briantan3931]

@@bigwave_dave8468 oh hey, nice to see a fellow Starbucks Barista enthusiast here. Not too many around anymore. I did that as well, and I'm in the process of putting the pressurization mechanism back because someone gifted me a 53mm bottomless portafilter. I'm toying with the idea of installing a PID. The Auber one seems too pricey though.

[@briantan3931]

@@bigwave_dave8468 btw, do you know how the handle position works? Does it give you "extra" pressurization if you hold on to the handle against the spring, and "regular" pressurization if you release it?

[@bigwave_dave8468]

​@@briantan3931 it's appears to be just a drip catcher.

[@finntv4280]

Hello, could you review Beko CEP 5304X Espresso Machine?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Based on the PF, it looks like a Gevi or Silvercrest. Should perform about the same. Did a couple videos on those. Cheers!

[@s96822]

nice little machine. in past had a gaggia coffee and a gaggia one group commercial machine. an old trusted italy company. this is a bambino killer. just wish the elctronic temp control was named something other than PID as for health care providers, PID is not conducive for appetite.

[@sanchezgedgare]

This Is better that the Delonghi ecp 3420?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Ummmm, so far I would say no, to be honest. PID is nice to have, but temperature readings so far are inconclusive.

[@julien.biardeau]

Since I saw your videos about those i'm considering the delonghi ecp 35.31, wich is 135€ish, and pairing it with a graef cm702. The total would be around 230, (without the bottomless portafilter) wich is not much more than this gaggia. What do you guys think is best, going with this combo or getting this kind of more """premium""" machine? Thxxx

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I honestly think you'd be better off with the ECP. Better shower screen distribution, more after market parts, and I prefer a boiler over a thermoblock. Of course no PID, but I have gotten some really excellent shots from my EPC.

[@georgelacey6381]

Nice video. 53 mm PF?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes, sir!

[@skinko]

Thanks Tom, amazing review! I wonder if the accessories for Bambino will work on this machines too? I think the Bambino ones are 53.3

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

No, because the Bambino is 54mm, and for example has 3 tabs on the PF. Tamper and puck screen work, but not basket or PF.

[@leonard.nicolae]

Top vid. How would you compare the Gaggia vs Philips super automatic espresso machines lineup ?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Sorry, I haven't tried a Gaggia SA yet. Hopefully soon enough. Cheers!

[@calumrobertson2422]

Hi Tom, another great video. The steam wand actually does pull out, as well as rotating. Interested to see further videos with this machine. It comes with pressurised basket so I assume it is above 9 bars, interesting if could be modified to 9bar OPV similarly to GCP, etc.

[@leoleimgruber8148]

basically you can fit an opv in any espressomachine

[@ifv2089]

I've just changed the OPV valve in my dedica for the Saeco ovp, Originally i just cut the spring inside the opv from 19mm to 13mm and was surprised its basically the same as a saeco opv!, extraction takes a lot longer now meaning the presure is way down from the standard 15-12 bars to 10-9 bars. And a much much better brewing ratio with bottomless portafilter. 34 seconds to 65 grams on 16 gram shot My next job is to add a dimmer switch and manometer so I can adjust the pressure.

[@harrisonsmith4658]

Hi Tom, is it worth purchasing the additional Pf? I have just bought this machine and still trying to figure it out! how long would you leave the machine for a double espresso? And how many grams for a double if using the standard double basket

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I always buy a bottomless PF for every machine I buy, so that I can diagnose the shots. I'd do 16 grams in, 32 out. Try for 25-30 seconds or so. And keep in mind that some coffee is fluffier than other coffee.

[@RebeccaOConnor-fy7qk]

How about a Gaggia Classic Evo pid!!!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

That would be cool! But they have to get the "Boilergate" under control!

[@oaw_manofnorse]

Do I get that right? Gaggia (contrary to before) finally made a cheap model in which no aluminum comes into contact with the water?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

That's right. No aluminum.

[@Luxdg]

This or De Longhi ecp?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

My knee jerk reaction is to say ECP. But I will need more time for testing.

[@macccu]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner but Gaggia is so pretty in orange ;_;

[@BenLondonN6]

Re: Knocking sound when steaming milk. I just got one of these machines and they do make good coffee, (for a cheap and cheerful home machine). I was a bit worried to start with, when I steamed milk, as I heard a loud knocking sound (as can be heard in this video). My last machine didn't make any noise. I spoke with a Gaggia rep here in the UK, however, and they have assured me that it's perfectly normal because it has a "pulse pump". Nothing is said about this in the instructions, so I hope this may help someone.

[@Coffee_Kev]

Yeah all thermoblock machines will knock when steaming milk, its the water being pumped through the coil.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The pump has to pump water intermittently into the thermoblock to steam it.

[@chikki_brews]

can u please try caffee birraio from india

[@alexzay9637]

Привет, так что стоит внутри, boiler или termocoil ?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I will open it up soon and have a look. Cheers!

[@Najar87]

Should I regret my recent purchase of the Dedication 885? 😢

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

No, I think the EC885 is great, and it has a better steam wand than this one. I have to test this more with espresso, and test the temperature, then I can make a better comparison.

[@cristian.patrik]

Gaggia Espresso Deluxe or Breville Mini Barista? Please answer!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Sorry, but I haven’t tried the latter.

[@youtubeaddict1]

Available in the U.S?

[@huberlukeable]

No. He said it's only available in Europe. 1:17.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I don't think it has rolled out there yet - but maybe someone knows of a retailer?

[@jarroddemotts4969]

​@@TomsCoffeeCorner I sent Gaggia US a support ticket to ask about US release, they responded back not currently available but to keep watching

[@WillFastie]

This looks like a cheapened version of the inimitable Saeco Via Venezia (aka Starbucks Barista). The Saeco machine was built to last - all metal housing, very heavy plastic tank and drawers, solid portafilter. Mine is 23 years old and I use it every day. It's hard to imagine this plastic Gaggia lasting that long. Also, you mentioned the top as a "drip tray." Is it not a cup warmer?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes, you're right I misspoke. It's a cup warmer, not a drip tray. The Via Venezia was a boiler machine though, while this is a modern thermoblock with PID. So it's a bit different. But yes, with the plastic build, I don't suppose it will weather 23 years. Time will tell.

[@0bzen22]

Now, if they had an official PID kit for the Gaggia Classic.

[@Maybaby1959]

Not bad for that little machine

[@joined_]

the fingerprints on the front panel 😮

[@justinbouchard]

omg that shower screen is epic lmao

[@D.H.-em3nc]

I had this thing in my hands...absolute deal breaker is the brew group.

[@D.H.-em3nc]

To extend that thought...it only showers over a about a quarter of the puck...it isn't exchangeable.....it goes really deep into the basket...it's not really upgradable with a new portafilter at least until someone builds a specific portafilter and basket. Facet....this thing is built for ESE pads....it really does a good job on ESE pads. It will only ever work good with double walled baskets.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Agreed on those points. I have a much more in depth video coming this weekend.

[@darrenferis3593]

I have noticed this as well. Is it the actual head or the screen? Wonder if the screen could be changed?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

That's the issue. There's no after market parts, at least not yet.@@darrenferis3593

[@D.H.-em3nc]

@@darrenferis3593 it's the brew group... it's the same size as the perforations in the screen.... you'd have to replace the whole brew group. I bet it's a ton better with ESE, at least thats my observation.

[@DigitalicaEG]

Basically a fingerprint magnet that is also a coffee machine.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

That doesn't bother me...

[@kirthgersen291]

It is clear that this machine is not beautiful, but frankly at this price who says better? I can't wait to hear what you think about using it regularly. Even if it seems like a form of sacrifice to you.

[@MrMits92]

For me it looks like gaggia viva, but with buttons instead of a switcher

[@WTF_Slowbar]

inside , temperature

[@rockyshoresstudios4987]

Coming to a landfill near you.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Oh, I wouldn't say that. Economical design, but normal Ulka pump, thermoblock, PID. Not bad at all for the money.

[@stinkybips]

Why don't you stir?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I didn't have my WDT handy for this pull, but yes you're right, I should have!

[@stinkybips]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Not only WDT, but stirring the cup after pulling a shot.

[@Z7faion]

This or delonghi dedica

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Dedica.

[@johne7100]

When you think about it, modern electronics are now so cheap that the only reason for price differences of ~200€ between non-PID and PID machines is profit. Looks like Gaggia have cottoned on to the fact and are poised to make a killing before every manufacturer puts PIDs into everything, including pour-over and - hell, why not? - moka pots (I've given you the idea, you work out the details 😉).

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Haha, yes good thinking. I hope Gaggia is successful with this machine. I like that it's built in Italy, from a reputable company.

[@alex_photo-shop493]

53 mm filter... Ohhh. Why dont 51 😰 A have a lot of accessories for 51 mm filter. Temper, botomless holder. Gaggia Gaggia

[@isfiyiywafibc6qaiiiiiiiiii570]

Kind of disappointing you didn't open up the machine.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

A tour of the inside: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWazf4Wgm56Uic0

[@dalivanwyngarden3204]

I like how the box is really ducked up and ugly, so at least the product itself seems to be more expensive than the packaging.

[@waar5243]

beam the portafilter and tamper are more expensive 10 the machine

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

PF and Tamper are like 70 euros, so not really. Cheers!

[@iDrunkky]

I don't get why companies still provide this type of steam wand !!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Me neither...

[@macccu]

same reason that pressurised baskets/portafilters probably. The default segment at this price range are people that take machine off the shelf and don't do much research.

[@lennarth.6214]

I think this machine will sell like hot cakes. Goodbye, Delonghi Dedica!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hmm, I am not sure. They'd have to get distribution right, first. They are not available in the USA. Also, there's almost no after market parts for it. Will take a while. Finally, the pressure is quite high, but the big advantage over the Dedica is that you can just do the 9 bar mod, like for the GCP. Cheers!

[@magouliana32]

Plastic Pisocrappa 😅

[@lenso010]

I'm sure it is made in china

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

It says Made on Italy right on it!

[@lenso010]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner It looks very chinese to me. All cheap plastic. I don’t think an Italian spends time of making it at their factory. They should outsource it to smaller factories.

[@Hemshemsems]

I don't like these cheap throwaway machines. Make the Gcp or the Gcep with pid and 9 bar at a decent price instead.. Always we see very cheap or too expensive - and the midtier is too finicky for most - why these cheap get so much traction imo..

[@loganmontgomery1955]

If Gaggia had added a PID to the Classic and maybe even made a more expensive model with flow control integrated, people would prefer that way more.

[@Hemshemsems]

@@loganmontgomery1955 Yeah dunno why they don't go after Profitec go.. Lazy italians!!..

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Time will tell if it's throw away or not. It doesn't feel so robust, but we'll have to see.

[@Hemshemsems]

​@@TomsCoffeeCorner You for sure know what these machines are and who they are aimed for - and why the baskets are pressurized and cheap. A decent quality machine is possible - but not at this price without mods and jumping through hoops. I know the GC is also a machine ppl mod - but the basics for a good machine are there - this one and others in the price range are not..

[@Ledman301]

Looks like cheap junk.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I'm afraid it is.

[@GonzoMallorca]

You should not review things you can not pronounce.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

How do you say Gaggia?

[@user-th6il6zp8q]

@user-th6il6zp8q 1 secondo fa Hi! I’m an Italian fan and I need your help! I have to decide to buy the Gaggia Espresso or the DeLonghi Dedica (base model), which one would you suggest for using it with ESE paper pods? (for a hot creamy coffee). I know this one has the PID system but does it really makes the difference when making only 3 or 4 coffees? And would you replace the basket with a non pressurized one if I have to use the ESE pods? Thankyou so much! I need these infos for a gift for my father :)