Gaggia Classic Pro vs Delonghi ECP 3420 (can the ECP even compete?)

[@ustinho]

I bought the ECP because of your review and wasn't dissapointed. I now have a very economic setup with delicious espresso everyday. Thank you so much! #ECP

[@JasonMullavey]

Same, thank you for demystifying the over priced nature of a lot of coffee wares and for teaching how to make great coffee with sticking to basic principles of how to brew coffee!

[@msdixie1972]

What grinder did you go with?

[@ustinho]

@@msdixie1972 I got a used Eureka Mignon Notte for $200. It works perfectly for dialing in shots.

[@craiglizt8074]

Me too! Tom’s videos have been immensely helpful and now I make a pretty good espresso. It’s become a second hobby.

[@chrisfisch4773]

Haha, same here. Still happy with my ECP.

[@dermotfenster9980]

I bought the ECP because of your "Advanced Mode" video - zip tie on the steam wand, naked portafilter, precision basket. It makes surprisingly good espresso.

[@davidmorrison2694]

I got the ECP after watching your earlier videos and it makes wonderful shots and Lattes. My son has a Bambino thermoblock machine and prefers the shots from my ECP. I picked mine up barely used for US$35 a year ago but am having some leak issues around reservoir gasket so can only fill about half full - enough for 3-4 shots. NOTE the ecp 3420 is on close out in USA Sam’s Clubs at $45 new!

[@FamedJa]

Dude THANK YOU. that's a steal and I just bought it for pickup. I just got a Df64 gen 2 to replace my failing Breville EX780, and I was gonna pair it with a $400 Gaggia. But I think the Delonghi will be just fine at least until they fix the flakey boiler on the Gaggia

[@moukafaslouka4796]

I bought the ECP from Goodwill for $12. Best money I have spent on an espresso machine.

[@edtsch]

Wow, wish I could find that! I need to check my local thrift stores! :)

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

So far, I have found a Dedica for $7, a Via Venezia for $10, and an EC702 for $10 from our local Goodwill. :)

[@Acheteur]

I brought the ECP36.31 (w/ metal side plates) & the upgardes base on your reviews . I can then spend more on my grinder & buy more nice coffee beans to enjoy everyday. Thank you so much Tom, your videos hve been so helpful to us.

[@mabror1]

I own both of these machines. they are doing a great job, after modding of course )) Thank you for this video, it was really fun to see them head to head )

[@noyb72]

I bought my ECP second hand for 30 dollars. Your videos have made me very happy with my purchase.

[@Ankafez]

We bought the #ECP along with Baratza Sette 30/270 for our coffee setup following your previous videos and been really enjoying it! We (and the coffee friends) are really happy with the results, the set up, with the beans from our local Roy's Rösterei, yields tasty espresso & milk drinks. Thanks Tom!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Awesome! Thanks for sharing your story. :)

[@Chris-derf5]

I too bought the ECP a few months ago based on Tom's comprehensive reviews

[@grave3169]

I bought a semi-automatic and touch screen machine, but I saw your video by chance and canceled the order immediately. A few hours later, I found a second hand 35.31 delonghi and ordered it.. that's the story...

[@localtactic]

Also bought ecp due to your previous full video.. U already help many people.. All the best for u

[@BDTech-yi6ub]

Got the ECP based on your reviews. So far I love it. Bit of a learning curve but it’s great.

[@fjrevoredo]

Have the ECP and it's great, result and cost-wise. What I would love to have is the three-way solenoid valve for the dripping and a 58mm portafilter so you can get more varied portafilters. 51mm is still pretty osbcure.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I don't know - there's a ton of aftermarket PFs on Amazon, probably etsy too, for 51mm. Cheers!

[@BJH-r5s]

I bought an ECP 3630 on sale at Walmart and Turin DF54 to replace our 4th failed Delonghi super automatic after watching your reviews. A bit more work, but better espresso! Very satisfied, thank you Tom!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Great to hear! Sounds like a great combo!

[@raymartin3527]

I don't know how much I'll use it but after watching several of your videos I found a deal on a new ecp 3630 for $75.99 so I bought it. I'll be ordering the upgrades and I believe I'll enjoy it. Thanks for your videos.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Awesome, that's a great price!

[@raymartin3527]

@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks yes I got very lucky. I got in all the extras today so I tried two 15 gram baskets. First was a disaster, the 2nd was drinkable but I'm guessing I'm going to need a bit of practice.

[@whiterose7055]

Hi Tom, I have been using a ECP 3420 for a few years now. I originally thought that I would be upgrading to a more expensive machine (even more expensive than the Gaggia) but have been so satisfied with the espresso from the Delonghi that I have yet to lay down the money required to upgrade. That humble machine punches way beyond it's price point when it comes down to actual results.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for sharing, and yes I agree! It does a darn good job, even if it wasn't so cheap. Cheers!

[@baristov]

It's unbelievable *how* good this little, cheap home machine are. ECP true living legend, "machine of the people ". Solid, good quality construction inside. Great repair rate. Easy to get spare parts, since De'Longhi use similar construction for their machines for about last 20 years. Like a Volkswagen, but for coffee 😁💪🏻😎💯✅

[@SunriseLAW]

I feel the better comparison is "like a Kia". Works great but has no resale value.

[@farbour3]

Interesting comparaison, wlh done. The only thing is that I don't have the problem with the puck. I have been using my Gagaggia for 5 year and I alway get a nice clean puck easily without any effort on my part. I use the original Gaggia portafilter.

[@baristov]

Also about cup clearance. On ECP you can easy remove drip tray and replace it with original mini drip tray cover, this will makes clearance even bigger! Proper high group for large glasses. 🥂👌🏻

[@MirandaEverton]

Great comparison, Tom! I have an ECP and my main concern with it is consistency. Would be nice to have a temperature feedback, but installing a PID is not nearly easy as it is with GCP. Also, we should consider the cost of the naked portafilter and IMS basket that you used with the GCP. This makes the ECP even more attractive 😁 Once again, thanks for the excellent content!

[@leoc232]

#ECP - all day every day. Use mine for 3 or 4 espressos daily and it is as good as the beans, grinder and operator. Cannot ask for more really. Thanks again Tom for the great content. how 'bout the ecp vs the mighty mii next?

[@MirandaEverton]

I'd like to see a comparison between a manual grinder (KinGrinder K4, for example) and an electric entry level grinder. I have only manual and wish to know if it is worht to invest in an electric grinder, considering cup quality.

[@alexandermashkin2395]

@@MirandaEverton k4 or even k2 are much better than any Electric entry level grinder. For good coffee you need a micrometric ajustments on your grinder which are not available on cheap grinders. Look at graef 500 series, lelit fred, or eureka mignon manuale / silencio. Or just like me - use k2 with a screedriver.

[@MirandaEverton]

@@alexandermashkin2395 Thanx so much for the answer! I have a k4, and I find it very easy to use and dial in. I have never used it with an electric screwdriver. Do you have any issue with lighter roasts?

[@alexandermashkin2395]

@@MirandaEverton yep, kingrinders are made to make love with screedriwers) The only issue with lighter roast is to have Power enough to grind them. I usuly hold grinder horizontaly that requires less strength to turn

[@fumble_brewski5410]

As always, I get a lot of value from your reviews, Tom. You've convinced me that the ECP3420 is the cost-effective way to go. I've found some "like new" machines available online for ~ $100. Thanks!

[@robschannel1156]

Alright I'm finally hitting the subscribe button cus this is the only video I've found where someone hit the GCP with a hammer. Not the review we deserved, but the review we needed.

[@alexandermashkin2395]

Outstanding review, Tom, as always. Excellently structured and full of exciting details. Thank a lot, I really did expected such conclusion in comaparision. Regardng external design of the mashine I have chosen delonghi stilosa ec230 for myself. It is absolutely the same inside as #ecp, but the surface is matt plastic which looks more attractive and practical, and also it has a metal steam wand with no useless panarello attached. Smaller shower screen was replaced the first day, a bigger one from ecp fits with no need to disassemble the maschine. And regardng the boiler, just fyi, I saw a number of technical reviews where guys measured its full volume pouring water into assebmled ones, and found out it to be 220 ml.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

220ml? Wow nice, even better! My best estimate was 150ml at least, but I guess I was wrong. Cheers!

[@n8nelson2003]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner around the 18:40m mark you mention cooling down the boiler! I've had that ECP machine for roughly 2 years and I never do that ( i never knew too). Is this something i should be doing? If so, why exactly. I always just flip my switch to the off position....

[@CechMtl-gm9yq]

#ECP I'm all about value and I love the feeling of achieving greatness with less money. I really appreciate your honest reviews and comparisons.

[@jonransom2633]

Hi, just got an ECP for $12 at a thrift store, was about to by a Breville Bambino plus for $500. Seems to work fine. Bought supplies including a bottomless portafilter and tamper, still under $80 for a nice setup. Thanks for the great videos!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Awesome deal! I once got a Dedica for $7 at Goodwill. :)

[@mikeroach4074]

Got pretty much same setup after your reviews. In Canada got the ECP3630, and the Mii Coffee sd40. Really happy. Installing a old Ranchilo Silva steam want and 9 bar opv. Will send what improvement it makes.

[@akashpatel5288]

Hey where did you get the 9 bar opv?

[@mikeroach4074]

@@akashpatel5288 having I done for me at a place near Toronto Ontario. Home Coffee Solutions. I'm not handy so they are installing a new steam wand and OPV 9bar mod. I'll update once completed.

[@jamesmclaughlin3460]

Long time ago I got a Delongi coffee maker with an espresso maker combo when it broke I got another one. Then I realized I was just drinking espresso at that point. So I bought a Gaggia classic pro last year. And have put a nine bar spring in it. New shower screen went bottomless new baskets. I love it. I'm retired I always have loved coffee. So I'm making a hobby out of it. You can make a good espresso on a Delongi if you mod it alittle. That's how I started. Good video.

[@jamesmclaughlin3460]

Get a decent grinder before you even get the coffee maker. I wish I did that.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for sharing you story, and enjoy your #GCP!

[@jamesmclaughlin3460]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner sorry I rambled on . Not often do I watch something and can relate so much to.

[@filthydwarf]

I have a gaggia classic simce 2014 and i only changed the group gasket service wise. Definitely a tank.

[@weirdflex271]

Wow, I literally was trying to find a review comparing the two, I recently picked up the ECP 3220 that seems to be the same version of the 3420 from Ross for $60. A website has the Gaggia Evo Pro for $399.99 and I’ve been contemplating if I should get the Gaggia. I’m new to the espresso world and I needed this review. I think I will wait invest in a solid grinder first. Thank you, for this video.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

In my estimation, they are both very good machines, and you can make tasty espresso with either. I'd suggest to learn on the ECP and upgrade in the future if you so desire.

[@weirdflex271]

@@TomsCoffeeCornerI will and thank you.

[@jeremiahchamberlin4499]

Your reviews on the DeLongi line have been most influential with me. I just got started on espresso with a $25 Mr. Coffee Espresso maker, which also features a 51mm basket with two ears. The Dedica is appealing, but you’ve persuaded me on the ECP-3420. I can use the naked portafilter I’ve already purchased.

[@096017hss]

I have a EC260 and would have gotten the ECP 3420 but came across the EC260 earlier on Amazon. Loved your Advanced mode video, got everything you recommended! Thinking about getting the Gaggia Classic Pro sooner than later. And will bring the EC into the office!

[@alexandermashkin2395]

After a while you will dream about an automatic mashine!)) to press the button and get your Cappuccino and not to do 50 manual actions an clean all that mess around))

[@096017hss]

@@alexandermashkin2395 its therapeutic ! lol

[@blackaces26]

Got the ECP 3630 and use in advance mode per your video. I’m really happy with it. I have many good coffee bars near me but it’s nice not to have to get cleaned up and dressed up to go out every time I need a shot. At this point I’m using ground coffee from my local roaster but will soon purchase Baratza grinder per you recommendation as well then shots will be even better. Cheers!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Right on! And guess what? This saves you a lot of money over going out for espresso every time. :)

[@LifeByKpop]

#ECP I'm still using my Delonghi ECP 3620 (US version, all stainless steel) and it's still doing awesome. It's been about a year now and I use it every day and it works great. Best budget machine IMO. Thanks for the comparison video Tom.

[@laxwyo1]

thanks for all the videos. I enjoyed a lot of them during my search

[@steventurner197]

I own the ECP with a naked filter and it makes great espresso every day

[@s96822]

Been making espresso 40 yrs. I cannot perceive any difference in the shots pulled. Reminds me of a similar home machine I use as a standby, Electrolux /AEG ea150, at least 15 years old and still works like new, also have non pres PF. Pulls favorable shots even when compared to a LS S1. The electrolux also has the advantage of being heavy so it does not dance when you move the pf.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for sharing your experience! I can relate. Cheers!

[@DAVE_LV]

bought #ECP after your review, price/performance killer. very excited for advance mode, waiting for the K4 grinder [to save space]

[@fuzzybunny3235]

Since I’m a coffee novice and I have a limited budget, I bought the Delonghi. I love it! Makes a great espresso.

[@gabrielmarcos1069]

This is the video I have been vaiting for, I am so exited:-)

[@nramati]

Thanks! looking forward for the gagguino video before making my mind on GCP

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Gotta be honest - I don't see that coming any time soon. It's pretty involved...

[@TreyJustice]

I had my ECP for about a year then upgraded to the GCP. I do think the GCP is a great upgrade and probably as good as I need !

[@twhdvm]

I bought the ECP3420 per your videos. I noticed mine looks a little different as it’s an American model. Other than the front knob that you mentioned, the rubber tip on my steam wand is a lot shorter than the tip on your model which is odd. That being said, I replaced the steam wand with the Rancilo Silva steam wand. The water hose tube attached to the wand on my model is a braided hose compared to the clear hose on yours. I had to purchase new clamps to replace the single use ear clamps that are now used. The replacement wand works great but isn’t as rigid compared to the stock wand. I also replaced the water screen and bought a non-pressurized portafilter basket. Truly advanced mode! All that said, it’s a great setup and doesn’t take up a lot of counter space. I appreciate your videos, Tom!

[@Chris-derf5]

the rubber steam tip being shorter for the US model was something I noticed too. maybe there's a way to find the longer tip?

[@13beyeker]

I did the steam wand upgrade on my machine as well, however for me the original rubber tip was producing better mild than the metal wand. However, I got a Chinese copy of the Ranchillio wand and not the real deal so I wonder if that may in some way have contributed to the poor performance. I also have the braided hoses and was able to find replacement clamps at Harbor Freight in the automotive section, but it looks like I may need to return to the factory default at this rate.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Sounds like you got your machine pimped - nice! I have noticed that Delonghi seems to interchange with rubber nozzle lengths and braided vs silicon tubes. I am not sure why.

[@jeffandersen6233]

Love the Wisconsin shirt! Outside shells of machines take second to what's inside such as plastic vs metal tubing and connections to me and why I owned a Rancillio for years I've had a Gaggia and found the steam wand articulations limited, not wanting an aluminum boiler and the space under the portafilter limiting. Those things made me want an upgrade though the machines do work fine. Interesting comparison I've not seen on any other channel.

[@Nathaniel7420]

#ECP Tom, thank you for steering me to the DeLonghi in your previous videos. Who knew my home coffee could taste so good?

[@akashpatel5288]

I bought a ECP because of you Tom and i haven't looked back!! #ECP

[@Brian-Burke]

#ECP with all the mods will be my first espresso machine. Thanks for all the info on it, Tom.

[@KGB908]

Just want to say thanks for making this content. I’ve had an ECP3220 for about 9 years now that has been nothing but faithful. I was using the pressurized basket until recently, when I bought a bottomless portafilter and some other tools. After dialing in my shot process, it makes incredible espresso. I’m beating every cafe in my area, hands down. Disappointed with the 3220’s milk texturing abilities, I thought my machine had reached its limit until I found your video on the Silvia steam wand mod. So now I’m doing that mod, but taking it a bit further. I’m going to harvest the guts from two ECP3220 machines, and build a case from scratch to create a dual boiler. I’ll report back how it goes, and perhaps even create some content about it. My goal is a true dual boiler, highly capable machine, for

[@kungfutigerrob]

Great video as always Tom. I always thought that Breville/Sage machines were better than Delhongi, but I'm starting to change my mind on that after watching a lot of your videos. Interesting to see that you now have Alternative Brewing sponsorship - starting to hit the big leagues now, and well deserved!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Alternative Brewing sponsorhip? Not sure what you mean, but thanks for your feedback!

[@kungfutigerrob]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner the video has Alternative Brewing (AB) watermark on it. Maybe KZbin is now watermarking videos as advertising, I don't know. I can send you a screenshot of you'd like.

[@chuckv8838]

Well trying one more time. Last two direct comments have disappeared. In answer to question about tapping into boiler for PID. No need. Use a k type thermocouple that comes with a 6mm loop and mount on the stud that holds the two bimetal thermostats. Stability is good. Much better than the wide swings you see with these bimetal thermostats, also can modify the brew temp. Two notes...unlike gaggia where you typically mount the SSR on the metal back. Do NOT mount SSR on the plastic case - use some metal. Also, might suggest using one of the 12 or 24volt xmt7100 to prevent high voltage from exiting case. Edit: spelling…

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks very much for that info! I will have to come back to this comment when I inevitably take apart the ECP again. Cheers! Tom

[@QuaverSager]

I'll vote #ECP because I just picked up a used one and spent under it's normal cost to replace some parts. So far its a good starter machine.

[@egcruzer]

I have both machines, starting with the Delonghi because of the low price to entry into the hobby. I’m happy with both machines, the Delonghi machine is great because of the smaller diameter portafilter is more forgiving to learn on than the 58mm on the Gaggia. More important than the espresso machine is a great grinder that is both consistent and has enough adjustment to fine tune the grind. I started with the baratza encore, upgraded the burr to the M2. It worked fine for a few months but I needed something with more micro adjustments, I settled on the baratza sette 270 and have been happy with it.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@maxhunt2644]

#ECP Tom, it appears you should get some royalties from DeLonghi...I too, bought an ECP 3 series machine (3630) after watching your video on "advanced mode". I'm quite happy with it and if I get a year or two of use from it, it will have turned out to be an "eggggsellent" purchase! I really enjoy your channel...keep the videos coming!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Awesome, thanks for sharing your story! The 3630 is a little nicer than the one I have, due to the metal sides. Target has them on display. Enjoy! Tom

[@dejedejsson]

I bought the ECP over the GCP as I wanted to avoid the aluminum boiler, then came the GCP Evo so I bought it because it had a coated boiler which would be superior according to several youtube influences, now of course the EVO boiler has started to flake like for so many other Evo owners . The biggest difference between ECP and GCP Evo is that the EVO heats up the Group head and portafilter much faster, I don't even get the same heat on the ECP as I do on the EVO, it doesn't really matter how long I let the ECP stand and heat up.

[@shovelhead1340]

Great video! I've been using a LaPavoni Europiccola for two years and I love it a lot but I've been thinking about adding a Gaggia Classic or a Rancillio Silvia just to try. Because of your video I recently bought a used ECP with naked pf and ims screen and so far I'm pretty impressed. It really makes good espresso! I still might buy a used gaggia classic though just to see how it performs with the Gagguino mod.

[@ER-gp5xc]

Hi Tom, thanks for video! I bought GCP (you helped me with that), using it a year for now. I had "Philips HD8423/11 Saeco Poemia", "DeLonghi EC 820.B" before GCP. After a year with GCP, I can say you (probably) need GCP only if you're planning to install PID and control the temperature then. It's useful for me, I taste the difference at different temperatures. But if you stick with one coffee beans or not sure that PID is needed for you - no sense to spend money on GCP. I made right decision for my requirements, for sure. I hate delonghi - it's lowest quality product. Their support and repair service is just awful. It didn't work even half of year, and repair took more than month and didn't fix the issue (water leaking). Thanks!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks Scot posting your experiences! Tom

[@NoZenith]

I shop for a couple years before I even committed to wanting to invest in learning espresso. I was considering the stilosa I think which might be related but I didn't like the compromise and I'm always cutting it close, I'm not a chill morning person... but for the price I would have went for the ECP over the Gaggia. Ended up with a Bambino Plus and a Niche Zero. Glad I jumped over all the entry level stuff because my third shot I ever pulled was legitimately decent, and it's an effortless, predictable setup with just base knowledge I learned from KZbin.

[@hoknevets]

Actually adding the MiiCoffee comparison would b great!

[@FaithAndCoffeeBean]

Tom this video is why I got my ECP!!! You rock Tom!!! ☕️👍🏽😎🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 I bought a ecp 3620 on FB Marketplace for $50 bottomless portafilter $20 with tamper, WDT and replacement metal tip for the want $20 so total all in $90 and I am over the moon for the set up.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Awesome setup for under a hundred bucks!

[@OverTinkerer]

Great Video Tom! Very informative, as always! ☕️

[@mothertaracey2510]

i just bought the 3420 and my only issue is the filter arm is a hard fit but EASY to work with machine and great price

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Agreed!

[@kitcraft9516]

Glad to see this video since I have asked for it a few times, lol. I have thought about picking up the ECP as a second machine because I have the kind of luck with electronics where they fail unexpectedly long before they should so having a backup is a smart idea, lol. I think I might just go ahead and get one. The ECP just seems to offer a lot of value.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

They're pretty sweet little machines. I got mine used for €50 with the Neouza bottomless included! It pays to have a look on your local classifieds.

[@kitcraft9516]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Will do, thanks for the heads up!

[@petes_CE]

I prefer the substantial build of the #GCP. However, it seems like Gaggia might have a boiler coating issue.

[@jfess1911]

Currently in the US, the 3630 has the "premium frother" that can shut off aeration and the 3420 (and other ECP models) has the always-aerating frother head. The list price of the 3630 is higher, but it is sometimes (today, for example) on sale for less.

[@jimmarquez7876]

#ECP I bought the 3630 based on your 3420 review. I really enjoy your videos, they are very educational.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@davidillyes5268]

Great video! Thanks Tom👌🏻

[@steirerblut_]

We had the predecessor to the Delonghi ECPs for 10 years without any issues until the heating element broke a week ago. It must have been 1-4 espressi per day over the whole time frame. Since our grinder dates also back that far and seems to let off more and more coarse grind particles we replaced both with a Sage Barista Impress. After some setup woes we really love the convience on that thing as its basically turn on, press grind button, press tamper button and brew the espresso and a lot less mess on the kitchen table due to OPV and the enclosed tamper system. But the thought still remains that if anything on the Sage fails out of warranty we will basically have to replace the whole machine. Now Im by no means a espresso expert but I wouldnt say its espresso tastes much better on the sage. Most important thing with espresso still seems to be a good roast, soft water and a quality grinder. Basically all of these machines can make very good espresso. Thanks for all the effort you put towards your videos, they surely helped us a lot.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I totally agree with all your observations: 1) It's awesome that your ECP lasted that long and made good espresso for you. 2) The Barista Impress is also a delightful machine, and my wife's favorite for the ergonomics and no mess. 👍

[@stepandavydov1436]

Thanks for video! It will be interesting to compare delonghi ecp with lelit

[@scottkeasler9317]

Always enjoy your videos. We bought the dedica after see your reviews a good while back and it works fine. For me to upgrade I would want the presure release after the shot as i find that annoying mostly because it adds another cup to clean and dry. Other than that the ECP looks interesting. With the heated portafilter, I wouldn't have to run several water shots to semi warm it up! Would love to see a cheaper comparison to the GCP that also has the pressure relief. Thanks again!

[@alexandermashkin2395]

As an owner of both - dedica and stilosa, I can say, there is no chance to get portafilter that hot pouring water through it. It gets cooler very fast. (( I tried to measure temperature inside portafilters but results did not show clear difference. The Last investigation I have is to compare temperature od drinks in the cups. And I got 75 from dedica, and 81 from stilosa. Check and mate

[@iarsenio170]

#ECP fan and owner thanks to your reviews. Keep the good work.

[@Lucid77157]

I don’t think you can beat the price to performance ratio of the ECP. Not to mention they are very easy to find used for very cheap.

[@ustinho]

I got my ECP for 70 bucks and they are great. The best $70 I have ever spent in my life. 😂

[@CourtneyinSF]

I just got a used ECP3420 for free from a neighbor! I am looking to upgrade it with the recommended bottomless portafilter that Tom has listed in his recommendations in the description of the video but on amazon there are very mixed reviews so I am scared to pull the trigger. A lot of people say that both options he recommends do not fill well in the ecp3420. So I am still trying to figure out what people are using successfully!

[@dimitriosbolbasis6896]

They will fit but perhaps you will have to unscrew the plastic bit in the stock portafilter.Afterwards(without the plastic) insert the screw again so you don't have 3 holes.​@@CourtneyinSF

[@Daniel-tj6mc]

@@CourtneyinSF Neouza Espresso 51mm Bottomless Portafilter. I have it, Fits snug.

[@JR-zw2vb]

#ECP! For the ease of use, easy clean, smaller size of unit, and smaller portafilter size.

[@alterI4]

I have the ECP and have modified the steam nozzle exactly like you but I still cant manage to make the milk silky I just make it hot and never have enough foam for the latte art! 😭 This video proves its possible so im doing something wrong! lol

[@vicinvesta8349]

I have Stilosa and I am plenty happy. The only comlaint is that with default pressurised portafilter there is way too much foam. As for taste - tastes the same as more expensive model made coffee.

[@BigDaddysBearCave]

Happy weekend to you Espresso Jedi Master 👍🏽☕️😎

[@Gatorone30]

Love My ECP. A good Grinder is next on the list.

[@danmiller8010]

I like your reviews and have watched many videos, thank you. Go Badgers!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Go Badgers and Go Pack!

[@beozzie690]

You should do a comparison video of each in its own class.. I’d say the best of the best in the less than 200, 500, 1000, 1500+. I’d like to see that.

[@manuelbover4816]

I would love to see you put the ECP 3420 against the Breville Bambino just to see how it does🤔

#ECP I just bought with a few updates it makes a really good expresso very happy with it

[@user-gd4rw6bn6f]

#ecp already have it for years and still working great. Never broke down on me even the outside is made of plastic. Now just got a little more lazy and got a De'Longhi magnífica evo full automatic.😂

[@fjqtaxch9]

#ECP. Picked up an open box 3220 on Ebay which I believe is identical to the 3420 except for more exterior plastic. Wish it had a manometer though. One thing to be aware of is the silicon steaming tube on the ECP series can stink of sour milk unless thoroughly cleaned after each use. Silicon has a tendency to absorb smells. Easily replaced though.

[@Daniel-tj6mc]

Parts list and cost. some stuff used ( and that's ok ) Neouza Espresso 51mm Bottomless Portafilter( used )-$20-ebay Apexstone scale-$22-ebay 51mm Coffee Calibrat Tamper Stirrer-$20-ebay De'Longhi ECP3420 (used)-$45-ebay HUGH, by IMS Precision Filter Basket 51 mm-$26-amazon IMS Precision Nanotech 50.5mm Shower Screen DL200NT-$26-amazon 3.5oz Double-Wall Glass Espresso Mug ( Williams Sonoma)-$13-store pick up

[@alfieliane]

I picked up a certified refurbished ECP for $60. Can't beat that.

[@fakepleb]

Great comparison again, #ECP always wins when it comes to the cost

[@andreyknyazev5560]

Got my ecp31.21 for $7 😂 repaired it for $0. So I'm a huge ECP fan

[@baristov]

Awesome! 😂 What was broken?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Nice! I picked up a Dedica once at Goodwill for $7. I was a happy camper!

[@andreyknyazev5560]

​@@baristov The boiler did not heat the water. I unplugged the heater element, checked it with a multimeter, plugged it back on... and it works now. IDK wtf was that 🤣

[@andreyknyazev5560]

​@@TomsCoffeeCorner Your ECP disassembly guide helped me a lot. Thank you so much

[@baristov]

@@andreyknyazev5560 Oh. Probably... the contact has oxidized. This happens, for example, with cars when they sit in the garage for a long time in the winter without moving. - Nice repair haha.

[@bilgerat6060]

I have a Gaggia classic pro and I hate it. When it works it's great but the constant clogging of the solenoid despite regular descaling is a deal breaker for me. It's just bad design. The older models had a much better solenoid design. Unfortunately most reviews don't or realistically can't explore the reliability of machines being reviewed.

[@YM-ht9gb]

You the man. Subscribed.

[@superdude1408]

#ECP love that little machine, I have upgraded to the Rancilio silva steamwand, which not only looks better but also works great. I am thinking of adding a thruway valve with a manual switch to act as an solenoid valve

[@iritian]

Awesome video Tom! Can't wait to get my ECP in the mail and pull some shots. I was just wondering if you've seen some of the new steel steam nozzles coming out for it online. I bought one by a brand called KUCHZUBE. The tip has 3 holes and it installs just like the original pannarello. Originally I was thinking of doing the Silvia steam wand mod but this nozzle might offer similar results without having to pry open the machine.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

No, I haven't seen those yet. But good luck and have fun!

[@iritian]

@@TomsCoffeeCornerThanks! So far I'm loving mine. It makes great milk for lattes and cappuccinos. Honestly an amazing upgrade for most Delonghis for just $10

[@geomcl]

Interesting video as always. Thanks. For the price and stainless steel boiler, #ECP. Still yearn for the GCP.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for watching! I wonder what the rest of people are going to think. Cheers!

[@SunriseLAW]

When you get the GCP, you might yearn for (insert name of machine here). We went down a rabbit hole, Tom smiles, he is the Cheshire Cat.

[@j.t.1215]

These are always so fabulous. THANK YOU so much for all the time and work that goes into producing a quality production. So many of us cannot afford the more costly machines, so videos like this are paramount. I hope all coffee lovers subscribe. Blessings! xxx #ECP

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks so much for your continued support!

[@tag243]

Personally I went and would have gone if I could with #GCP, simply due to the amount of mods you have + it's a machine that you able to repair easily and spare parts always available.

[@elfletes]

Wonderful video!!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@mothe]

good grinder with good techniques and you can do very tasty espresso with pretty mucch any machine. why i love gaggia is because its a machine that costs nothing and will last forever. and you can upgrade it along the line. although the milk steaming is not the best on it without some modding. its inconsistant, and 2 hole wand is very weird to use.

[@drmscaper5878]

I bought secondhand Delonghi, very cheap, I was surprised with the machine capability of making a good espresso..

[@aaronvoss9501]

Just discovering your content... good stuff! What's up with the Wisconsin swag? This shirt and then the Collectivo one you rocked in a Dedica video...

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Wisconsin proud. :)

[@aaronvoss9501]

Haha. As a guy living in Metro Milwaukee, I'm more of an Anodyne fan myself. But if you're ever in the area, I'd be happy to make you or buy you a cup... and maybe try to dust off my old German skills on you. Bis spaeter!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for the offer! Have you checked out Discourse in the Milwaukee Art Museum? It's an amazing coffee shop. They even have sous vide coffee!@@aaronvoss9501

[@baristov]

It's fun to work with Gaggia of course. But price difference huge. If need choose from these two, then #ECP 💯

[@ricardoj8860]

I bought an GCP because I had an stilosa and I was very happy with it but the plastic piece to do the seal on the portafilter and the boiler gets broken so when I pull a shot the water scapes a little, and the GCP it's totally metal

[@SunriseLAW]

Great minds think alike :) I wrote a comment about starting with the Stilosa 3 weeks ago. Had same problems you did, went with a GCP, mostly because I got a good deal on it and realized I can sell it, even after years of use, and recover all/part of my investment.

[@susanrutledge3178]

I have the ECP and made the upgrades. It’s not the sexiest looking espresso/cappuccino machine out there, but it works great for me, and I love it! #ECP

[@pajarrapinta]

Good vídeo! Saludos desde Uruguay!