Game 102: England Part 1

[@expanddong3102]

*would you be interested in a trade agreement with England*

[@breen7495]

Jesus Filthy you just blew up my youtube homepage with all dese vids. i'm so happy

[@Eiststiel22]

I think you are not the only one. Guess i got to stay up late again.

[@Varandil]

Playing as England, one of the advantages you have is the extra water movement. Is it not worth getting Great Lighthouse to not just maintain that advantage, but to also extend it?

[@FilthyRobot]

It's a little bit of a "win more". It's nice, but as you mention, England already has bonuses to movement, it's not always necessary to enhance that again.

[@mpspenguin2]

FilthyRobot Sorry for Necroing, but doesnt getting GL as England mean not only do you have even more naval movement but it also means no one else gets that source of extra?

[@hivestalker]

@@mpspenguin2 you commented a year late

[@crispburnt]

hive stalker this is the first time i've found a recent comment on this channel

[@mpspenguin2]

@@hivestalker and you commented 4 years late lol

[@FatheredPuma81]

Wait... 7 movement gallys? Man.... (with great lighthouse and exploration)

[@FilthyRobot]

England is such a ridiculous civ :)

[@Reierdacool]

8 actually

[@FatheredPuma81]

Reierdacool Anyways I want to see a Trireme rush from polynesia, A gally rush over deep water from polynesia, and a Gally rush from england. The trireme one is possible but is really hard since you have to b line Triremes then find someone with 3+ spaces to attack and has no walls. Not saying I want filthy or you or anyone to do it just saying i'd like to see them.

[@hdckighfkvhvgmk]

Seahenge

[@DragonbornEmpire]

Obviously you couldn't have known, but would Liberty have been good here?

[@Emperorerror]

At 8:45, why wouldn't you work the silk, since it takes the same number of turns for the settler but also gives you gold? Why does it matter to have +8 if it's still the same number of turns?

[@mainzer45]

Production overflow that lasts for the next thing he makes. Unless he needs gold for something like buying better tiles or is negative on science due to it, gold tends to be less valuable then getting a few extra hammers on whatever you're producing next

[@rinkuhero]

this is an old vid but i still like to go and watch all the ones i missed. one comment on this one. you had 3 stone, and a natural wonder. you could have gone the 2 faith per quarry, and got 6 faith from the pantheon, but you instead went for the pantheon that gave you 4 faith from natural wonders -- this seems like one is clearly inferior to the other option. was it a mistake?

[@stuartconrod8364]

On the turn he had to make that choice, only one of the stone was actually in his borders, masonry wasn't researched yet, and he'd still have to improve all those tiles with quarries. He'd also have to work the Stone and Marble out of York instead of using the one citizen on Kailash. It'd be quite a while before Stone Circles yielded more faith than One With Nature for him Doing things the way he did was more likely to get him a religion first, which is more likely to get Tithe and better picks for Follower beliefs. Stone Circles wouldn't have been a terrible choice if Kailash wasn't there, but with two workable Iron right away Earth Mother might have even been better. Stone Circles is pretty slow overall - keep an eye on when exactly Filthy actually gets the Quarries up on the Stone.

[@MarijnRoorda]

2 faith per quarry was already gone, its called Stone Circles and was taken as the very first pantheon @ (3:37). As for your question, its rather subpar compared to natural wonder faith. You have to improve AND work the stone quarries to receive the faith, Where as the Natural wonder faith is instant. The real benefit of any pantheon is in getting you a religion, and whilst Stone circles might net you more faith over a whole game, its the 20 or so turns till your first prophet that make the difference. Having to improve 3 tiles takes 12 turns. Provided you have the tiles in your territory, and not constantly being herassed by barbarians. It will be somewhere after 30 turns before Stone circles pantheon overtakes natural wonder faith in faith production totals. By which time you will already have generated a great prophet. So, Stone Circles is clearly the inferior pantheon versus Natural wonder faith.