Game Engines, False Claims, And A GMTK Response

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0:00 - TL;DR
2:39 - Who Is GMTK?
3:26 - Unfair Game Engine Prejudices
5:02 - Emulation
5:58 - Unity + Emulators
7:20 - Low Effort Game Collections?
9:20 - End Product Is What's Important
10:04 - GMTK Tweet + Backlash

[@TheLonelyGoomba]

When people say "Be better" over something so trivial. Really gets under the skin.

[@jingusflorpus4274]

It’s one of the most annoying phrases to see because it sounds so smug and condescending despite being basically meaningless

[@ctpp64]

@@jingusflorpus4274 it's also because the people saying it pretend as though they're trying to "educate" you, or want you to improve as a person. It's all bullshit. They just want you to be more like them, because twitter users always know what's best right!?

[@spaceace9103]

Yeah it's always so condescending

[@ThatsJustLikeYourOpinionMan]

Dang, I love seeing TheLonelyGoomba constantly popping up on the videos of other content creators. It's almost like a Where's Waldo level of fun.

[@dynastylobster8957]

I think unity as the mediator isnt the problem, i think its an issue with the way namco set up the engine and how they used it

[@PolyMars]

Twitter “dunk on” culture is really toxic. Sucks to see the game dev community take part in it, but props to you for handling it well!

[@AziDoesQuestionableThings]

oh hello polymars!

[@KatSuYeah]

speaking of dunk on, revive the twitter snake

[@otherlego]

Real gamer energy

[@MasterJ_2003]

oh cool, polymars :)

[@thekeyandthegate4093]

It's Twitter. The site encourages low info, incomplete, and easily misinterpreted statements and revels in it through its character limit. It's all by design. Honestly, the sooner we're all off Twitter, the quicker society's collective IQ will shoot back up unless the alternative is somehow even worse.

[@loziclec.1295]

It feels like Twitter is a competition to see who can dunk on others the hardest/fastest. I saw someone saying that "no good game is made without crunch," and people were (understandably) dunking on them, but that didn't change their mind. I tried actually talking to them and asking what they meant. After a couple follow-up questions, it turned out they meant "no good games are made without passionate devs voluntarily working extra hard on a game they care about." They also thought that executive-mandated crunch always lead to bad games. While it's debatable how true either statement is, it was clear the main issue was just defining "crunch," which nobody was talking about cuz Twitter is a website of soundbites and one-upsmanship.

[@AuroraAce.]

I feel like twitter also makes people more likely to say these all encompassing statements without enough elaboration to make their position clear. I am sure if he tweeted what he explained to you far less people would have felt the need to dunk on him

[@bunshine]

that's... totally on the guy. he didn't tweet what he meant. it's not other people's fault for thinking that the thing he tweeted was bad

[@loziclec.1295]

@@bunshine I think his definition of crunch was just weird. He was using it to refer to all overtime. I don't think he realized that most people hear "crunch" and think about devs working 100 hours a week, watching bloody take-down moves day and night, not seeing their families, etc. But like I said, Twitter is a website of soundbites, and clearly he was guilty of that too.

[@TD2T]

@@bunshine nonononono you cant fault a guy for using casual language while being interpreted as official lang in public, people just like doing conversation and thats why they "jump" on the guy. but the twitter is not a place for casual conversations, thats why misinterpretation, misconceptions, and drama happens there all the time there. twitter "toxicity" is not just a joke, its reality, "its happening", and its just better to stay out from whatever is happening there, and actually do something positive in your life for once

[@GigasGMX]

@@loziclec.1295 His definition was literally wrong. Nobody who knows enough to be talking about crunch defines "crunch" as "all overtime".

[@azaza1018]

TLDR twitter sucks Not only they misrepresented you but also misrepresented themselves. As you said, I'm sure GMTK wouldn't want to gatekeep a certain topic, so the phrasing "I implore you stop talking about game engines. It’s embarrassing" is needlessly combative and mildly ignorant. Of course the worst part are the fans. Disagreements are ok, but why people feel the need to attack someone based on a 30s clip of a video they didn't even watch? Hope GMTK pay more attention before engaging in this behavior in the future

[@peco595]

Yeah Twitter is an awful, cancerous service. People that don't want things like this to happen shouldn't posts opinion pieces about other people on there. GMTK definitely should have known something like this would happen. It's obvious, people on Twitter are just above the scum of humanity if not part of it.

[@dereklucks4549]

They also apparently commented on the video and overblown it way out of proportion as well apparently.

[@loogi_is_die]

TLDRception

[@Jagpagaco]

honestly me personally when i see stuff like this , the first things that comes to mind is not even "oh men screw that guy" or something like that ... It's always the people behind it that just choose to follow that statement. cause for sure 100% some people that followed this "movement" didn't even knew who GMTK was. So the first thing I think about every time is "Men look at those f***ing sheeps"

[@DeadHandtheSurvivor]

Twitter doesn't suck. Social media as a whole sucks because allowing millions of people to connect with each other and shout mindless nothings into the void only makes it easier for any meaningful conversations to fall apart because we're extremely opinionated and reactionary creatures.

[@aruce9]

8:49 let me correct you right here, a hat in time was made using unreal engine 3 as it started development in 2013, i could see why you mistake a hat in time for being made in unity, but it is infact made in UE3

[@silokhawk]

That one is 100% my bad. I'm not even sure where I heard otherwise.

[@Iwatoda_Dorm]

Mhmm can’t let that one slide in rebuttal video talking about game engines but still, it sucks to be in that position where you meant no harm and then proceeded to be misinterpreted and targeted.

[@agata6337]

@@silokhawk you should fix this comment, just to avoid any further confusions

[@koopdawhoop.]

@@agata6337 totally agree

[@SmokePudding]

I honestly thought it was Unity too lol

[@frogmouth2]

What’s funny is these people don’t realized the irony of chastising you for talking about the unity engine that you don’t understand by talking about the unity engine that they don’t understand. Real twitter moment right there.

[@F1RSTN4M3BUNCHOFNUMB3RS]

“”Be better” when the person saying it is the one who actually needs to be better” is super common there Luckily people have been noticing and going against the whole “cyberbullying others over perceived slights while trying to seem like the hero despite not actually bothering to take 5 minutes to learn the real situation” thing more and more over the years

[@krbo94]

Coming back to this video after having it on watch later for a while, after the Unity news really changes everything.

[@annyske007]

this is such a silly thing because clearly everyone involved actually has the same opinion

[@frogmouth2]

Ya that’s why I wouldn’t even bother defending myself. What’s the value of an opinion of someone who isn’t open minded for my stance in the first place?

[@icegod4849]

@@frogmouth2 This video isn't a defence, but more of a clarification imo

[@blevmar8444]

Spiderman v Spiderman

[@frogmouth2]

@@icegod4849 clarification is still a form of defence.

[@ChrisD__]

Twitter in a nutshell. Everyone agrees, but presents it or frames it in a different way, or maybe isn't as extreme as they are, and that's justification for character assassination and libel.

[@razorback8300]

I would never expected GMTK to do something like this to you . Althought I think it may have been a misunderstanding on GMTK's part it still does not make it that justifiable to call you out like that , specially sinced they left out a very important part of the context. I am so sorry that this happened to you and I hope that GMTK potentially sees this video and clears this whole thing out ( if it was a misunderstanding )... EDIT : after the backlash that GMTK recieved , he finally apologised on twitter .

[@KingYoshi93]

Yea. Why didn't GMTK just DM SilokHawk or something? This was kinda toxic of them to do. That being said, he just apologised on Twitter, and there's a lot of angry comments from people who are mad at him for what he did to SilokHawk, and it's actually so toxic that I start to feel bad for GMTK.

[@DeepWeeb]

It's not even the first time they belittled other creators, ShayMay made a 7-hour long video essay dissecting Pokémon Omega Ruby (really good one, check it out), and GMTK first said it "dethroned" Matthewmatosis' 6-hour video on Dark Souls 1, all harmless enough but he didn't even credit Shay's video tho, in fact it removed his username from the screenshot. But then he goes to say that the longest video he ever stomach to watch was only 2-hours long and that he believes that “if you can say more with less, do :P” when asked if longer analysis videos suffer in quality due the points being stretched. All rather unfair judgements for a video he didn't even watch.

[@KingYoshi93]

@@DeepWeeb Yikes

[@AL2009man]

@@DeepWeeb I mean, I know one person who belittle other creators for making more than 2 hour long video essay and also those who stretch the video thin, thus: they would ironically bully them for making long-form essays for it, *regardless of the quality of video essay* . Thanks, HBomerguy and MauLer. :(

[@razorback8300]

It honestly feels like GMTK has not watch the full video , in stead he just saw the “ hate in unity “ paused the video and made his assumptions form there without watching the full video

[@JustCyanaid]

I’ve watched GMTK for a long time, and mark brown was the last person I’d suspect to get involved in this sort of controversy, let alone be the one to start it. That tweet he made honestly felt really out of character for him

[@steveRoll595]

I'd like to believe that this was just a misunderstanding, and there's a recent "trend" of pointing out people's lack of knowledge on game engines. So Mark may have seen this clip of SolikHawk out of context and decided to publicly post about it on Twitter

[@KingYoshi93]

He just apologised on Twitter, and there's a lot of angry comments from people who are mad at him for what he did to SilokHawk, and it's actually so toxic that I start to feel bad for GMTK.

[@aeonixhope8383]

@@KingYoshi93 Clearly, the real enemy here is Twitter toxicity.

[@KingYoshi93]

@@aeonixhope8383 True. I wonder why Twitter is like that. Other socials aren't this toxic.

[@ImCurrentlyNaked]

@@KingYoshi93 Well if you play with fire. It should also be noted he only just took down his tweet after this video was released (so 3 or 4 days after the tweet was made), and I'm sure silohawk contacted him before hand, and don't forget GMTK liked tweets ragging on Silohawk, so I think some returned toxicity is rightly justified. It's just a reminder we really don't know people behind the screens, and Mark Brown is probably a bit of a jerk IRL. I'll still watch his stuff, and I think he's got great critique, but he's probably a smug scum bag based on this scenario.

[@darkfry2424]

kind of sad to see you get all this hate but you handled it really well also great video

[@mosmassamsom7837]

Well said!

[@zarrg5611]

The unity logo appearing is worrying for a big company, as it means they were too cheap to pay for it to not appear.

[@fritslec1277]

I hope this situation finishes up in the most amicable way possible and with as little harm done to anyone involved! I'm sorry to hear this happened to you, i hope you can keep up your attitude and keep a productive mindset about this and the lessons this situation presents, even if it may be challenging!

[@RyanSumthn]

if i had a nickel for every time a youtuber i watch was criticized for talking about unity in the past two weeks, i'd have two nickels it's not a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

[@drattinson]

Scott the Woz?

[@RyanSumthn]

@@drattinson yep

[@JOZiable]

Another day I'm really happy I don't use Twitter....

[@goongoonbird]

This is why community members with huge friggin followings need to take the five minutes to review how big of an impact their words will have. Especially when targeting or directing attention towards smaller individuals.

[@jedisalsohere]

The sad part is that none of the condescending arseholes who took the clip at face value and replied to the GMTK comment without looking into it any further are ever going to see this. Not unless GMTK retweets it themselves, but good luck with that.

[@zepic3895]

I can attest that the last "arsehole" in the video has seen it, because he literally told me, he's a friend of mine

[@jedisalsohere]

@@zepic3895 hey, I'm glad to hear it. I'm sorry I insulted your friend, I was kind of worked up.

[@zepic3895]

@@jedisalsohere dont worry, he has sent an apology here since he does agree he was too harsh, as he's very passionate about game dev, so yea

[@hlibushok]

Imagine constantly rewriting scripts just because of fear of being misunderstood.

i mean... this is kind of the right thing to do tho

[@johnjohnson1351]

@ It shouldn’t be a *fear*, the fact that it can cause genuine worry because of the way people could respond is a problem, even if you don’t realise that.

[@Shaymaru]

My biggest complaint about entire discussions around this sort of topic, is that people brush this off as a Twitter exclusive thing, when it’s a problem everywhere. I wish online discussion wasn’t so volatile and was easier to diffuse when misunderstandings came up. Maybe it’s the anonymity that makes it easy to say whatever the first thing that comes to mind is. It’ll always be a minefield and I want it to not be.

[@bowserjrsoutsidestory7125]

you see the real problem is that people use twitter

[@themadartist1980]

I dont think thats the problem, maybe just that using twitter posts as a basis for argument in other social media sites is the problem. Twitter, i believe, is the place where people go to do that problematic shit that they do, and im happy that it exists in one place and doesnt go outside that, most of the time at least

[@bowserjrsoutsidestory7125]

@@themadartist1980 r/woooosh

[@SplendidDog]

I think this is a really well-put-together video. It helps me understand your point of view more and It definitely changed my mind on the situation as I had initially interacted with the GMTK tweet with a misguided lens, in fact, most points I made about unity and engines in that tweet seem to align with your views as well and it again shows that I wasn't fully understanding the situation going into it. The production quality of this and the original review video are awesome and I like your commentary on certain issues/things!

[@aisadal2521]

Oof, never thought I'd see GMTK in a controversy 🤕

[@ConJakPre]

Weren't they involved in the Notch "controversy" (not sure if it could be considered a controversy but I'm throwing it out there because it was a pretty big deal which upset a lot of people)

[@PDS350]

@@ConJakPre I mean, in the Notch one he kinda just replied to Notch. In this one he was the one who started the “controversy”

[@internetguy7319]

@@ConJakPre it's not really a controversy because everyone should agree what he did was shit

[@ConJakPre]

@@internetguy7319 still considered a controversy because not everyone agreed he was shit, wether you like it or not. Also if I recall the situation correctly GMT 100% shot themselves in the foot with the way they handled the situation which probably didn't help. My memory is really bad though so there's a possibility I'm remembering incorrectly

[@DemyrNox]

It feels bad seeing Razbuten and Mossbag there siding with someone without context

[@rodneyluck5952]

Been a fan of GMTK for years now, I'm pretty shocked he'd target a person when the message could've been so easily conveyed without doing so. Kinda just mean to be honest.

[@encampedmars627]

Edit: he deleted the tweet and issued an apology. Now everyone’s up and about how brave he is for apologizing lol. TWITTER EVERYONE Like, even if you were wrong, calling someone out on that scale is just rude, as all it’s gonna cause is dogpiling. Kinda ironic considering he said he didn’t want to @ bcus of his scale, and yet responded to your tweets making it much more noticeable.

[@angelerror4086]

Well actually, from what I've seen, there ain't a lot of those people, I've seen even more people like you who are dogpiling on him cause his apology isn't perfect People can make mistakes, they can be ignorant, etc and so, even with an apology a person simply can't account for everything they need to apologize for, instead of just telling him about the other thing he needs to apologize for, some people like you made it sound like he didn't actually meant his apology and instead, dunk on him instead, which is very ironic and toxic It's like, you don't seem like you want him to improve?

[@gmnmd]

@@angelerror4086 I don't think the critique in the edit was at GMTK apologising, but at their general following congratulating them for making an apology. If you accept - as most people do? - that they made a mistake when posting that tweet, it's not at all outstanding behaviour to apologise, and yet the general reaction was very positive. (I didn't follow the situation at all, take this comment as an outsider's clarification of the original edit)

[@angelerror4086]

@@gmnmd i didn't argue against that point, simply because that isn't critique, it's more of them expressing frustration against sth they don't like, it contains nothing that can be called criticism. Why would you want people not to react positively to an apology. Somehow silohawk, who is directly involved in this situation, already forgive him, yet this person is still holding on to that not so large grudge?

[@toxagen1144]

This is what I'm the most scared of online. Someone taking me out of context and calling me something that I'm not (like a racist) with zero to no evidence and then people who barely know me just attacking me blindly. Me not having any way to defend myself and then people believing this false version of me for the rest of time. It like, genuinely scares me that my entire career could be deleted or be harmed in a second by some guy with no evidence

[@linkfanandroid]

For me too, When I don't have any knowledge in any type of subject, I prefer to have a guy say to me: "hey, you made a mistake" then "you said a bad thing, you're a stupid mo**** "that's why I hate Twitter and all kinds of social media so much

[@dyll_pyckle]

I 100% agree. We live in a bizarre time.

[@itsknighttime9572]

If you're worried about something like that, then you're probably a fucking racist

[@itchylol742]

Be like Elon Musk. Embrace the haters. Make them hate you even more. Make it so every living moment of their lives is dedicated to hating you and they have no time for anything else. There is no such thing as bad publicity.

[@Laromlab]

oh so you're saying you don't want to be called racist? clearly you're blinding attacking the entire racing community, truly disgusting behaviour from you. I shall now cancel you on Twitter #ToxagenIsOverParty

[@GMTK]

Hey - I want to offer my apologies. I'm sorry, and I feel terrible that it caused you anxiety and for people to pile on you. I should have thought harder before making the tweet, it was a dumb move.

[@AidenMcFadden]

Good on you for acknowledging that you made a mistake.

[@SirYeshi]

👍

[@mikedaniels470]

Glad this was cleared up.

[@Kod_xi]

props to you for realising your mistake and owning up to it 👍

[@mr.sentryanddispenser]

👍

[@fussanchez2716]

I can relate to this because it's happened to me before and it really hurts having people with no idea of who you are and your intentions burst in with a flood of hate over the slightest issue - not taking into account how that person may feel. It's very cruel and I'm glad you're sticking up for yourself, Silok.

[@JOELwindows7]

8:50 Oops error! A Hat in Time was *made with UE3* . Serious, UE3, the dev was established since about 2013, basically before UE4 a thing.

[@thatgibberishrappingdog6057]

find it funny that most people saying to do more research before making claims clearly haven’t watched the original video

[@lukelcs8934]

Never heard of you before, but watching this video I just have so much respect for you just as a person! We need more people in the world like you. Thankyou.

[@PandemoniumGameDev]

This just shows how important it is to consider the context and listen before throwing crap at someone. Especially in the case when the person talking has a massive audience, because a single tweet can literally ruin someone's life. Glad you managed to weather the storm and clear everything out, hope you're doing well after all that!

[@squidwardjoeswanson5418]

This video explains every reason I don’t use Twitter scarily well

[@maybexsuma2005]

Fr

[@verdantmischief7092]

I use it everyday it's really not that bad. People just care way too much about pointless drama

[@OhKolbi]

Hey Silok, I usually don't watch your videos and I NEVER comment on videos EVER but as a full-time gamedev this video really stuck with me. I appriciate your sentiment here. Thank you for making this video.

[@cabinoot]

When a big youtuber has a negative opinion about a youtuber, their rabid fanbase will go and comment on the other youtubers newest video without even watching it.

[@wadewats2278]

It’s ironic how people were saying you shouldn’t talk about what you don’t know. But they didn’t take the time to watch the full context of the video. Thus talking about something they didn’t know.

[@djroscurro9859]

I’ve known for a long time not to 100% trust my favorite youtubers with all their takes. This situation with GMTK is just a reminder of how this mindset came to be.

[@zarrg5611]

It's a good mindset though, people too often confuse healthy scepticism with cynicism when it is the ability to be distanced from something that will stop you from becoming cynical.

[@waspennator]

Funny thing is, people are dumping on Unity anyways right now

[@beatlesrol456]

your initial critique literally makes no sense, you questioned why they would use unity to "run emulations of old arcade games", but what does it even matter? I think it would be more appropriate to critique the quality of the emulation, rather than the glue that just holds them together.

[@JermTheWerm123]

Man, you CANNOT catch a break. But even after all the crap you deal with, you still keep going. Props to you my good man.👍

[@no64256]

Wait, what else has happened to him?

[@JermTheWerm123]

@@no64256 he dealt with angry Pokémon fans, Spreadshirt screwed him over, and now this.

[@kzkultra8948]

And this is why I don't use Twitter.

[@Zinkolo]

I've always hated channels like GMTK because they feel so elitist and the way they try to enforce and inform people what is and isn't good game design and attempt to take the creativity and art out of it. It's almost always some pompous dude telling you what "is" and "isn't" when they themselves don't even make games or don't even do it often and they want to tell me what to believe and what not to believe in when it comes to something that is entirely theoretical. Extra credit is the worst when it comes to this, they were the first to push for 70$ games years before it became a thing. They are either isnanely uninformed or have misaligned priotirites when it comes to what they think people should make or "do" when it comes to video games.

[@frontfacingjoe9235]

I've been seeing this shit for years now. Some big content creator calls out an innocent and smaller content creator and all their fans go attack said youtuber. GMTK should apologize and watch this video. Honestly by clipping the video without further context is slimy and deceptive, which is weird coming fro GMTK of all people.

[@AL2009man]

Your wish has been granted.

[@frontfacingjoe9235]

@@AL2009man yeah I saw it. Atleast they did apologise.

[@fanb1536]

@@frontfacingjoe9235 Yeah, but what good does that account for? He didn't acknowledge why he deceptively clipped the original video, or why he encouraged dogpilers by liking their tweets - and then he says "I'm sowee, I didn't mean to make people pile on you :C" when he very clearly did. The dude just got caught with his pants down, so he's making a weak-ass attempt at saving his own face.

[@frontfacingjoe9235]

@@fanb1536 you are absolutely right.

[@NuclearRaven13]

@@fanb1536 ah ha, so therefore we should pile on him and not give him any moment to apologize since clearly he is so unapologetic!

[@br0kerr]

worst part is that some of those comments and tweets probably dont understand how game engines work either, im not the most experienced person when it comes to knowledge of games behind the scenes; but it sucks to see that fans of big content creators will just agree with them no matter how much context is provided. tl;dr, people that dont understand stuff will act like they do, or just agree with the big guy sometimes.

[@tomatomodest7116]

Yo, A Hat in Time used Unreal Engine 3

[@crystalcritique]

I am SO glad that you handle this subject with such coherence and maturity. (God knows I wouldn’t have maintained such stability!) It’s seriously disheartening to see how recklessly GMTK is using their platform, but I hope this video will let them realize their mistake. Yet another amazing video. Keep doing what you’re doing!

[@JmrUltra]

Well I hope everything is alright on your end. Seriously in my opinion, it’s best to know the full context of a video, instead of judging the book by it’s cover. Regardless, I hope you are doing okay.

[@themagicalaxolotl2258]

'aw thats a cute opinion, did a KZbinr give it to you?' is what instantly came to mind when i saw the comments people made on your video after the GMTK tweet

[@z3msky]

Sad to see this from gmtk but what a respectful response

[@Hero-co9yo]

0:56 are we not gonna talk about how pac man just says "fuck you" to pinky and blinky and just phases right through them unhurt?

[@BinaryHedgehog1]

This is actually a fairly well-known glitch called a “booey”, though I dunno how often it’s performed on multiple ghosts at once. Some patterns used to clear classic Pac-Man take advantage of the bug.

[@hzDelta]

oh wait, this is unlisted... neat.

[@icemarvel0791]

This is just another example of someone with no backbone trying to call someone out for no reason and then as soon as they get called out for it immediately apologizing and sweeping it under the rug

[@icemarvel0791]

A. They purposely edit the clip to make you look bad. Add about ten more seconds and you point would be clear instead of cutting it off where it makes you look bad. B. Instead of makeing another post apologizing they make a small comment on the video and take the tweet down like it never existed

[@pax2293]

You really gotta love people saying you shouldn't talk about something you have no experience with, while not knowing they're literally talking about a game developer. Love that nice little spice of irony.

[@minifigamer9898]

"there are no bad game engines" I am willing to bet that the entire payday community and overkill/starbreeze heard that, thought of the diesel engine (a racing game engine which was for some reason mostly used for first person shooters such as payday 2), and squinted their eyes

[@MrTreesSapling]

Or how about Madden players dealing with a simulation sports game for the past decade being made in a first person shooter engine originally meant solely for Battlefield.

[@PotassiumLover33]

well its not a bad engine, its just used for the wrong kind of game, which was kind of the entire point of this video

[@agata6337]

im deeply disapointed with GMTK, since i know your content and i know how positive you are towards game development. also, as a fan of emulators for preservation of games i know that a bad emu can make a good game unplayable, or at least badly represented compared to its former glory. to twist it into "hur dur he said unity bad" is just... disapointing. i expected more of GMTK. edit: apparently GMTK apologised. i need to read their apology before forming my opinion. but, its good that they did. edit 2: i read the apology, it was very direct to the point, but they shoudve aknowledged they clip chipped the quote completly out of context. otherwise they aknowledged the harm they caused, and their responsability, which was nice. i recommend yall to read it yourselfs and reach your own conclusions tho

[@Aereto]

I feel GMTK did not make up for the incident as far as my sleuthing can eke out, so the apology does not appear sincere to my conclusion. There's something that I do not like about people who think apologizing and leave the damage behind for the everyone else to pick up the pieces. But yes, so far, I don't see any tangible actions done to fix this mess.

[@jaceideu588]

Correction 8:49: a hat in time was made in Unreal Engine 3, not unity.

[@SUCHMISH]

Game dev, joining GMTK Game Jam 2022, building a game engine from scratch, making a horror game alongside that engine with the concept of developing some of the experiences around you... I agree with this statement... And Hat in Time was made in Unreal BTW...

[@kotlolish]

Good on you Silok. I even supported you. Even I missunderstood your point, mostly since the out of context thing made me think too much on it. But I still agree.... you never pointed out that UNITY BAD.. you just said: "I fear UNITY was bad for the emulation" Of course that's still not 100% accurate what you ment! Anyhow... I am glad you aren't taking it too far. Wich is why you are one of the most respectable youtubers I been following. As I said before.. you are one of the MOST NEUTRAL youtubers in critique and I like that since it's informative and isn't "AVGN" silly. Out Of Context shit on twitter sucks... Trust me this happens very easily!

[@TechBlade9000]

You know Hawk is gonna get even more out of context Such is Twitter, once they got a boogey man they never let go

[@kotlolish]

@@TechBlade9000 Sad truth of KZbin/Twitter drama, but I DOUBT IT WILL BE THAT! Silok is too respectable for that to happen. And as long as we don't attack other channels.

[@doublinx2]

The internet would beat much better place without clipchimps

[@effortlessfury]

While dogpiling is wrong and thus I'm not defending anything that's transpired, I do want to point out that such a fear is still generally unfounded. Any engine can achieve nearly any goal if done correctly. It's not about the engine, it's about the effort put in. The only thing an engine choice does is determine what specific problems you have to tackle to complete your project. If the team was unable to do so with Unity, what makes anyone think they could've done much better with any other engine? A different general purpose engine would've just been a slightly different problem set, and a custom engine would've been a larger and more complex problem set.

[@Meatball132]

edit: This was explained in the video too but I didn't get that far before writing this comment. Since i think it wasn't explained very clearly in the video I'll leave it up, though. The emulators don't even run in Unity at all, actually! Unity's used for some of the newer games in the collection and for the hub area. The emulators, on the other hand, are only rendered onto a surface in Unity - just so they can be displayed to the screen (and, by the way, this is probably where most of the latency comes from, although there's some that naturally comes with emulation in general and they could've just not optimised that). In other words, on Unity's side there's a camera pointing to a texture. After generating a frame, the emulator switches that texture out for the frame it just generated. Then when Unity does its own drawing, it is pointing at the texture the emulator just pushed out, and you get the final image. But otherwise, the emulator code has absolutely nothing to do with Unity. It is completely separate and in fact it IS running on its own engine. But since the rest of the game is Unity there really isn't a more reasonable way to do it, unfortunately.

[@Sirozha1337]

Thanks for the info! Can you give me the source of your information? I want to find out more about how it's actually done. I think there's also the problem of getting key inputs into the emulator, isn't Unity supposed to read them and transfer to the emulation software via inprocess communication? If they both run at different clock speeds it might also cause lag, because when Unity gets an input and passes it down to the emulator, it might not pick it up right away. This might be just mere milliseconds though. So I want to see how something like this is done.

[@Meatball132]

@@Sirozha1337 Ah, that bit about the inputs is something I hadn't thought of. That could be. If I remember correctly, I got most of my information from TCRF's article about this game. Also dug into the game myself some; not much REing of the code, mostly just surface-level datamining.

[@Sirozha1337]

@@Meatball132 thanks for the info! I'll check it out.

[@burningflag3679]

I didn't know the backstory behind this. Hell had never even seen one of your videos before. But seeing the thumbnail. I said to myself "i'm sure it'll be a calm and rational response." Pulled that thought totally outta my butt. And guess what. You responded in a calm and rational way. Havening not watched the original video. I'd be shocked if it too wasn't also a calm, rational and well thought out video. Far as i'm concerned good job. And have a like Take Care.

[@cunter4155]

im so glad I don't use twitter that much anymore.

[@Luigi1000]

Ngl here I would have thought your views and points in your first video were obvious and clear. As the main programmer and project leader of Mega Man Maker which is another GM game I full well stand with your statement on using what is best for the project you plan to do and how each has it's pros and cons. You were just done wrong and had the dogs released on you from the way it was framed and presented by them. They really should have through it through before doing it.

[@unusualusername8847]

I think the strongest trait Silokhawk has is his ability to weather attacks and mistakes with reason and humility. Honestly amazing in my opinion.

[@iveseenthings7928]

Kinda weird, how he has to do that so often

[@FaliusAren]

the way GMTK has to have seen the full context to clip it like that... despicable

[@RunePonyRamblings]

Just further proof that big creators have no sense of ethics or responsibility when wielding their influence.

[@dyll_pyckle]

This was an extremely well-said video. I find your scripts are, consistently, extremely articulate and well-written. I, personally, don't think there really needed to be any context to your original statement in the vid (about how you make games); so if the rest of the viewers weren't hung up on that point at that time and didn't comment about it, why/how did GMTK misinterpret your point? I've only heard of that channel once or twice before, so I can't really judge his character, but I find it extremely irresponsible for a creator of his size to publicly make a callout post on a smaller channel that he's over 10 times the size of. How did he even find your video in the first place? It doesn't seem like he watched all the way through or else he probably would have understood your point better, so did he just skip to a random part of your video and clipped it in a way that bolstered his argument without regard for context? Also, I'm glad he apologized in these comments and on Twitter today and deleted the original tweet, even owning up to how his original tweet was "toxic" in one of the replies to his apology tweet, but the way they're worded is super strange. YT comment: "Hey - I want to offer my apologies. I'm sorry, and I feel terrible that it caused you anxiety and for people to pile on you. I should have thought harder before making the tweet, it was a dumb move." Twitter: "I want to give an apology to @silokhawk, the KZbinr behind yesterday's Unity clip. It came across as punching down, and led to people piling on a fellow creator, which caused anxiety and hurt. I'm sorry. There were better ways to make my point. I've deleted the original tweet." and "(Sorry, not yesterday! June 20th. What is time?)" To me, it comes across not like "I'm sorry for what I said, misrepresenting you, and taking your clip out of context", but more like "I'm sorry I gave you anxiety & you got hurt by what my fans and I said. I still stand by my point, though - I just should have worded it better." In that sense, it's an awful apology. What even possessed him to say something so negative, condescending, and clearly directed at you like that in the first place? I guess I'll just have to also blame Twitter. Of course the blame doesn't all lie with them - the people who tweeted at you and commented that stuff are total sheep lmao. But they're all most likely his followers and probably wouldn't have even said anything if GMTK didn't make the tweet in the first place, so it all goes back to him. Also, him liking tweets that further dogpiled on you is awful. I don't care how nice you say this guy is - everyone's got skeletons in their closets. Oh well, I guess the damage is already done. Here's hoping you'll get through this alright! Can't wait for the next vid.

[@kal_1301]

ironic GMTK talked about game engines and affecting the game dev community when he barely touched Unity like what, 9 months ago?

[@gustavoberwanger1412]

I havent seen you pacman video, but seeing how respectful yet determined you are to prove your point in a better way shows you're a nice guy. You're the good part of the community

[@eunaoseibrother467]

8:45 Hat in Time wasnt made in Unity, it was UE3, and that was the reason why that game stutter a lot

[@GameGuy53]

I think you handled this really well, and it’s nice to see GMTK issuing an apology. The internet would be a better place if everyone were able to handle these types of situations with class like you and GMTK!

[@PumpkinFox]

This all seemed like a controversy that shouldn't have happened in the first place. My sympathies go out to you man.

[@kito4525]

I haven't watched the original or seen the tweet but this video is 100% correct. Unity isn't for emulation

[@UneededStudios]

Hat in Time is Unreal 3 my dude

[@lrgogo1517]

When you used a clip of _Yooka-Laylee_ as an example, I spent the rest of the video flashing back to this old video about the game by videogamedunkey. Don't take my word for any of these details, but: I think at one part he was listing red flags that popped up leading to said game's release, and at one part of that one part, he says something like, "And then we find out it's being made in Unity, which is the same engine as the Donald Trump game, so." He was referring to a smaller game that uses simplistic, ragdoll-centric physics to intentionally increase its comedy. I don't know what the optimal term for this is, but it's not the kind of "game" you buy for a console, it's kind that a person creates and uploads to the internet and then you watch Markiplier or SpaceHamster react to it. Returning to the point though, Dunkey never adds any asterisks to his mention of the game engine used, he just insinuates, "Unity is the engine you only use for funny meme games," and moves on. Imagine if Yooka-Laylee released in 2022 somehow, and it was videogamedunkey getting soft-cancelled by GMTK..?

[@Videogamer80]

Well, damn, this has been a really rough situation for you. Hope this blows over quick for you

[@JakeFace0]

I remember when Stephanie Sterling said something like "The 'Unity' in 'Assassin's Creed: Unity' refers to the engine it was made on" and had to backtrack in their next video.

[@s19m71]

I’m glad to you made this video because even I got confused when I saw that tweet. As someone who doesn’t really touch retro game collections often, I don’t really have an easy way knowing exactly what should be and what shouldn’t be there, so I didn’t immediately notice as many issues as you did. Honestly now, I kinda feel dumb not immediately taking into account just in depth you were in your review after seeing that tweet.

[@marcoasturias8520]

Nah dude, you said enough. No one watching your video would understand Unity is terrible. This is purely GMTK's mistake.

[@megafan1137]

The fact people are acting like the unity talk was the focal point of the video, even though it was an incredibly brief moment in the video is genuinely disgusting, let alone the fact people blatantly ignored what was actually said.

[@vlogergames]

something I haven't heard you say, but should also be mentioned as an argument here, not against unity but against the devs, the fact you're seeing the splash screen means that they didn't even bother using a pro license (which with the amount of money the company makes is against the TOS of unity to begin with i think) , it really shows they weren't taking this game (emulator package, whatever we wanna call it) seriously AT ALL.

[@enfercesttout]

social media is hell

[@conuy4663]

I guess people just can’t understand the wording that you use. You make very valid points and I don’t know why they can’t understand that your not biased whatsoever.

[@neptuniamarina4924]

While I understand that GMTK was most likely following up the Scott the Woz comment as well, I'm very disappointed in them. Calling out a channel or trend is one thing, Its another thing to withhold context, End it in a way that makes them look bad and do all of thing while having nearly x10 the followers the channel you're calling out has. That's just.....really scummy and icky behaviour and well, as someone who doesn't watch them. I don't think I will after this.

[@AlexOnDemand]

i’m dumb what happened with scott the woz

[@Cygerion]

@@AlexOnDemand he did a similar thing in his Nintendo Switch: 5 Years In video where he made an offhand remark about a game being made in unity

[@R0sieHere]

@@AlexOnDemand idk if this is accurate or not. But I think this is the comment it is refering too: "There’s a clip where Scott the Woz talks about how Monkey Ball must have been made in Unity because it was cheap and easy to develop for, not because it was the “right engine for the game” which is just so confusing? What’s the right engine for monkey ball??" -@IronsparkSyris I mean I dont remember Scott mentioning it but if he did, then it would most likely be some sort of (A) misunderstanding/mistake or (B) was being used as a joke (less likely)

[@R0sieHere]

yeah idk what to say man I dont use twitter that much

[@AlexOnDemand]

@@R0sieHere oh ok got it thx

[@goodkillermusic]

Seeing this late. I adore your videos and am sorry you went through this. I'm hoping GMTK doesn't make callout posts like this going forward.

[@akaheadlesschicken]

Dude you handled this like a champ. That's some real 'I'm not mad I'm disappointed' energy. Shame on GMTK for throwing you under the bus like that. With a huge audience comes an even bigger responsibility. I'm Mark Brown and this is punching down.

[@junbird]

I honestly thought that it was some kind of throwaway joke. Not one that I thought landed particularly well, but still a silly, innocent joke. Just to be clear, I don't agree on what you say in this video (I'd guess that Unity has absolutely nothing to do with the emulation part of that game), but I'd argue that seeing the Unity logo on a release from a very big publisher is worrysome because it screams "CHEAP". Not because you can't make game that don't look cheap in Unity, but because it hints at said game having an extremely tight budget. That's what big publisher use Unity (or even UE, sometimes) for: projects about which they don't care that much about. Having said this, I think that GMTK posting that tweet is extremely cringeworthy. Why did he think that extrapolating a clip from its context from a youtube channel which has 1/10th of its own following would be a good idea? Didn't he realize that he was directing his mob to your twitter feed? Is this internet thing new to him?! As a long time follower of his, I sincerely hope he will apologize for this. This is such a petty matter, it's unbelieavable.

[@SnowyFoxFox]

Twitter breeds such hair-trigger reactions from people. Context seems to be a concept that's completely lost on them - the only narrative that matters to them is the one that's been assigned _on Twitter._ And honestly, I think the design of Twitter itself is the biggest cause of that. It's a horrible website that turns people into impatient, small-minded shit-slingers without them even realising it's happened.

[@MajatekYT]

the twitter discourse™ constantly reaffirms my decision to recommend artists to post their work elsewhere because the "interaction and engagement" is just not worth it

[@omniscientbarebones]

The people who only ever looked at GMTK tweet are seething right now.

[@intangiblematter_misc]

I came here curious about the response to GMTK, left subscribed!

[@GamingWarlord64]

I want to make 2.5D action Platformer inspired by MegaMan Zero series. And 3D platformer inspired by to Mario 64. When going for school for game design I started with unity but ended with the Unreal Engine 4 and I loved Unreal a lot more. Mostly because I disliked C# Codeing and LOVE the blue print style a lot more.

[@zepic3895]

Unity uses C#, not C++

[@MrCraftingchannel]

What a sad, sad situation. Holy shit

[@hekkn]

8:49 A Hat In Time was actually made in Unreal 3, not Unity. Your point still stands, though.

[@anilsezgun3327]

At this point Twitter is a platform where 4 times out of 5 you can't reason with anybody. It feels like no matter how respectfull and understanding you try to be others will interpret what you say in the most negative way possible. People only want to see topics as black and white situations when in reality there is lots of gray areas that need to be addressed but people shrug it off. Some have gotten so petty at this point. You'd try your best to carefully explain a point of yours in a fair fashion and in response someone will not take you seriously and completely miss what you meant. The word limit doesn't make it any easier. Most of the time your point will be degraded by people writing posts that mock you because thats how you win arguments now, you try to look like you dont care and make fun of others so you get more likes, this is what discussing topics has come to. And yeah i get it sometimes you shouldn't take every conversation you have seriously and when its not about a big topic that is usually ok but when it comes to important stuff like this, people assuming that you acively want to cause issues when it couldn't be further from the truth is really disheartening.

[@TheOldYoungOne]

And this is why twitter must die

[@Aereto]

There's a reason Twitter needs a serious restructuring and staff evaluation. Twitter is a place where the time for negotiations are over and it's time to kill or be killed.

[@robertonome2448]

I mean, the guy's a pretty heavy and experienced user of twitter, so he's not completely blameless for the situation. His channel is great, but, honestly, with this and his past "dramas" in mind, he def seems to be a little bit of a douche. Plus he only even bothered to apologize *after* this video started to pop up. But yeah, tldr: twitter is a cesspit of ignorant people trying to paint others as ignorant in order to come across as knowledgeable.

[@DustyMusician]

this is a really small correction but A Hat in Time was made in Unreal Engine, not Unity.

[@nintendompower]

im sorry that happened. that's really shitty of Game Maker's Toolkit

[@internetguy7319]

One thing to note is that Nintendo's official SDK (dev kit) is Unity. So any game that is trying to be big on Switch, especially day one on it, is likely to use Unity.

[@internetguy7319]

@Joshua Suh Nah, they changed it later

[@TazTheYellow]

I think it's pretty safe to start trash-talking Unity now.

[@SianaGearz]

It would be interesting to investigate why the known emulated collections you spoke of played with latency. Fundamentally they'd use Unity for the sake of menus and overworld and other glue rather than the emulation itself, emulation is just running render to texture, and indeed this is the same way any modern emulator works, it renders to texture. But there's a lot of fine tuning needed in the presentation layer to force the texture to be presented ASAP in emulators. It seems it should be possible to tweak the renderer in Unity to do the same, especially for companies which have a license with source access. But they didn't.

[@JadenGoter]

1:47 hey thats the part of Unity I work on :)