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Mysteries, Myths, and Motives, Part 6: Valyrians are First Men.
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[@thegreatscotsby]

I think the weirwood reflected Ned's face not because he was performing magic, as such, like using the weirwood to communicate. But rather because he was (unknowingly) performing a blood sacrifice to the weirwood. Out of tradition, Ned (and previous lords of Winterfell) always cleaned the blood off his sword in the pool next to the weirwood. This was probably always meant to be a blood sacrifice, but the meaning was forgotten through the ages and is now only followed out of tradition. Thoughts?

[@jamesfarrell483]

Something that could be related to this theory is the fact that the Daynes of Starfall appear to share some Valyrian features but their history originates far back in Westeros.

[@gholamdapantaloonsniffer8218]

And their purple eyes would link them to the Amethyst Emperor 👌🏼

[@jay446944]

Civilizations rose and fell on Planetos. The Maze builders, the builders of the 5 Forts, the ruins in Southros. We may never know what GRRM dreamed up as the back story. Unless he writes a Silmarillion type book.

[@allyriastark3508]

jay446944 I wish he will write more books about the universe to introduce us to mysteries of Sothoryos and Essos

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

I heard since he's not finished writign the winds of winter he'll write a book about the religions of the world

[@miguelmontenegro3520]

It Will be the most amazing book some author Ever made

[@dylanhess791]

He's a genius. He draws so much from real history which makes it all too believable. Like the Assyrian cities once great are ghosts and ruins will looked at just a few hundred years after the empires downfall!

[@sleekoduck]

Oh, it's hidden in plain sight.

[@serlawrenceharlem6715]

House Dayne of the far south House Stark of the far north.

[@altbrand7343]

i never write comments, never saw a point of doing it. but your videos are so well researched, so well constructed, it is blatantly obvious that you put your hearts and souls into this, and if you ever wondered if anyone noticed it........i DO. keep it up.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much. We will certainly try

[@BoazYoshiYahBanYasharalah]

Wish D&D had the same amount of pride in their written work....if we can even call season 8 "writing".....

[@boredofmindgames4662]

I thought the valyarians were the product of some kind of breeding program using magic, from what I understand the whole blood of the dragon thing is very literal in asofai. Something else I’ve noticed is a lot of reptile related plot devices, reptile men, greyscale and the strange cultural practices. I think they all developed as a result of magic experiments performed on slaves( possibly the first men so wargs) the Valyrian dragonlords being their most successful attempt and greyscale being a bi product. It would explain a lot about the Valyrians if they where part dragon and where part human

[@publicslum6495]

Biproduct

[@gillriet773]

@Publicslum 。 oh come on you knew what they meant

[@brawleyk4530]

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[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Brawley K hahahahaa epic!

[@charonstormborn8998]

Brawley K I totally felt the same way 😂

[@thebovineavenger]

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[@dustinsmith2021]

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[@johnathankinne3998]

And just when I thought my Sunday couldn't get any better...

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Johnathan Kinne aww! So glad you're having a good day and we could make it better!

[@MovieHypeSA]

All this history and people wonder why he takes so long to write the books....

[@theinvisiblewoman6783]

Right? I always tell people I rather wait ten years for an amazing book than wait a year for a crappy book.

[@QueenDaenerysTargaryen]

D&D rushed GOT GRRM should NOT rush ASOIAF

[@ChrisisisB]

But most of the background should already be established, so the next book should take _less_ time. And we are both wrong, Martin is bored with the books and cant motivate himself to finish them.

[@coldhands2802]

@@ChrisisisB Idc what anyone says about how complicated it is, ten years is fkn absurd.

[@onetwofun]

it's possible that the andal "knight" is simply an updated and a more specific version of the older first men "knight" irl knights, like housecarls, began as boy servants, then retainers/bodyguards, till the term eventually become to mean a horse riding military dude (and that they had armor on)

[@jeannebouwman1970]

The first men do still exist, and they don’t seem to have knights, who are very much linked with the faith of the seven, which explains why the north and iron islands only have one or two knights, hailing from houses that worship the faith like manderly, who are andal

[@-MacCloud-]

There are first men in the south too. Most of the reach are first men houses and trace their origins to Garth Greenhand. A lot of the storm lands too and trace their origins to Durran Godsgrief, even house Tarth who consider their house Andal have origins with Galladon of morne, who was a first man from the age of heroes, yet the he is considered the perfect knight. About half the river lands and westerlands are first men, Tully are first men, Crakehall, and even the Lannisters have questionable origins that are likely more firstman than not . Even the vale has first men houses like Royce and Redfort, and the vale is the most dominated of the seven kingdoms by Andal houses. So it's a big hodge podge, and some evidence that knights existed in the south before the Andals, but there is also a precedent in real life for a dominant culture group to revise the history of a conquered the foreign populous to suit their own needs. Which is likely what happened with Galladon. Who was probably just a Firstman from the age of heroes who was dedicated to an actual Maid rather than the aspect of the seven called "the Maid", and was not actually a knight at all. He just upheld all the values romantically considered "knightly" and "Chivalrous", and his story got conveniently appropriated and edited. This would also Rhyme with his ancestors, Dunk and Brienne, two individuals who were not knighted whilst behaving as a knight should when actual knights were not.

[@striker8961]

They say Andals invented knighthood and yet the brothers of the nights watch have basically the same oaths and principles

[@ClintSprayberry]

Oh Wow! The idea right there at the end of the video is great! Ned and others using the Weirwoods in similar fashion as glass candles! Makes perfect sense, and now seems so obvious... it was right there in front of us the whole time! See Order of the Green Hand ... this is why you guys really are my favorite! Y'all bring mind blowing ideas that make so much sense! Thank you for another great video!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Clint

[@gabrielpelletier6202]

So, theory: There's an age factor to when people in the North are taught the secrets of weirwoods, and how to see through them. I'd say it makes sense that people are taught at 16, the age of adulthood. It'd explain how Ned was able to do it, and how it seems Robb didn't know how to do it.

[@DoReMi123acb]

This video has done the impossible. It made me a fan of the Valyrians again. I was always put off by their harsh history of domination and brutal slavery. But the way they are connected to the children and first men really makes me see them in a whole new way

[@david8dzg]

the FREEhold do not enslave

[@kaleomungin]

This is not Valyria, it's the Empire of the Dawn. Valyrians and First Men have the same ancestors.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

Maybe the way you were thinking of them before was how the Maestar of the citdal and faith want you to think

[@Tziguene]

I would say that the Dothraki also remember, in their way. “It is known”

[@brendanfechter4889]

Aenar the Exile, father of Daenys the Dreamer

[@lunevermeil1400]

Okay, ending it with two examples of the hart trees looking like Ned and Manderly... Dang you're good.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

We do what we can

[@sinjun1973]

If you can safely assume that Valerian records of their history was better kept than that of Westeros you can guess that King Aegon and his sisters probably knew that history. The fact that they left Westeros also makes sense with the odd seasons and The Battle for the Dawn you can understand if they found a place to live with better weather conditions they may, or some may, have gone there to establish their Empire. The location is much more desirable as well for trade. So 2 separate kingdoms are born. That of Valeria and that that became the 7 Kingdoms of Westeros. Aegon might also have known about the eventual return of The Long Night. Their family did have seers in it. One at least is named but who can say there weren't others. In knowing this but not when exactly, Aegon would know of the necessity of combining The 7 Kingdoms into 1 and their need of dragons. He really couldn't tell anyone why he did what he did because who would believe him? He'd have been the 1st Mad King if he had. So they had to bide their time and wait. Not knowing that future generations might screw up his carefully laid plans.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

I agree unlike rhagar he understood how you had to do things

[@stevesallay2524]

Excellent as always! Intelligent and informative. I love the fact that you guys are talking TO us, unlike some other channels who seem like they are talking DOWN TO us.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@atreides213]

17:50 I believe the title simply refers to the Taergaeryan's time between the destruction of Valyria and the completion of their conquest, and Thomax just got a little pretentious with his title. The fact that they fled Valyria and were unable to ever return definitely fits the definition of 'exile'. They weren't exiled by their people, but rather by the disaster that made their home uninhabitable. Their apotheosis, then, is their ascension to the Iron Throne. After all, it was said that the Taergaryans answered to no gods, which would put them on the level of gods themselves, at least in the eyes of men. Also, a problem you didn't address is that the Valyrians were pretty much all white haired and violet-eyed, yet I don't believe even a single one of the free folk is described as such. And we know that those traits can carry on through the generations and despite interbreeding thanks to the Volantenes who still bear those features.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we don't think every line from the Great Empire of the Dawn look exactly alike...the ones who ended up becoming Valyrians were largely descendants from the Amythest Empress's line, but Garth seems to be much older...maybe the Pearl Emperor or maybe even one of the 5000 kids the God-on-Earth probably had...that would make sense...like father like son...anyways, Garth and the Amethyst Empress would be related, but distantly...like distant cousins...but all First Men

[@moniquegebeline4350]

The Order of the Green Hand Could silver hair and violet eyes become gold hair with blue eyes? It made me think of some kind of interbreeding between the COTF and valeryia

[@bailando74]

@Monique Gebeline What, or I guess who, is / are COTF?

[@moniquegebeline4350]

bailando74 Children of the Forest

[@jeannebouwman1970]

There are first men who are described with valyrian features, the daynes are famous for them

[@mickdundee364]

i love your videos. thank you guys for all the time and effort put in. easily my favorite asoiaf channel

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you for watching...how's Wally doing?

[@PBRStreetgang]

"That's not a knife..." Nice one.

[@stuffbenlikes]

You guys and Preston Jacobs do the best ASOIF videos, love your theories!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you!

[@Pacu89]

lee Roberts why don’t you like Preston?

[@raswartz]

Another interesting theory video. Although I agree with your premise that the Citadel's theories are either wrong or deliberately covering things up, I disagree with the exact point where the truth diverges from what the maesters think. For instance, the maesters think anything "advanced" must have been built by the Valyrians, because the Valyrians are the only advanced civilization that the maesters are aware of. However, the similarities with Seastone Chair, the Five Forts, and some other examples (some strange oily black stone in Qohor, etc.) make it seem unlikely that that Valyrians built all of it. Could have been some other powerful ancient civ -- the Ghis, Yiti, Quarth -- or maybe some other race -- COTF or someone else. There are lots of other possible explanations for the similarities you mention (long distance communications, so-and-so remembers). AND you have a huge obstacle to this theory which is that the descendants of the First Men do not look Valyrian, which you did not mention or address. Anyway, love your videos and all the thought and effort you put into, even I don't 100% buy it.

[@jadendred5448]

Always happy to see new videos from you as you provide interesting thought provoking concepts. And endings never disappoint in casually dropping yet another amazing idea.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

well we were really disappointed that this video grew so much that we had to cut Bran the Builder completely out of it because we got to twenty three minutes and still hadn't mentioned him, so we decided to leave everyone with a little bonus nugget that was originally going to be in the next video to try to make it up to people who have been waiting

[@moniislam4646]

Once again another brilliantly constructed video with great information. The idea seems very plausible and I for one am a believer that the First men and the Valyrians do share some kind of connection or ancestry. Brilliant once again!

[@joanisarmento]

As usual, fantastically mind blown! I missed this! Thank you guys! 💓

[@LoneWolf-xe6ye]

This would explain how first men houses have Valerian steel

[@carolwisneiski9573]

Interesting theory...like the parallels of "..... Remembers" and the stones made with dragon fire. Love your videos. They make fans think.

[@DoReMi123acb]

This video is definitely my new favorite video of yours. The extensive research and fantastic delivery is damn great! Keep em coming!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@anastazjowka]

Never disappointed. Great as always! Many thanks for amazing video, passionately waiting for next one.

[@kendallc.harris7664]

well done!!!! THANK YOU! Always enjoy these videos. Always looking forward for each one. I enjoy your take on many of the theories.

[@thebovineavenger]

SWEET!!!! I have been waiting for another in this set of videos. Man I love you guys. Been with you from pretty much day one. Today you knocked another one out of the park. Thanks again you guys.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+thebovineavenger I know! You're the best! So honored to have you here!

[@sleekoduck]

I just started reading Dying of the Light. You are spot on correct about this theory. You really ought to read that book and prepare to have your minds blown. Wolfheim, Ironjade, Banshees. Planetos's name is Worlorn. You are so very, very correct.

[@jodiemcadams1418]

Something that's been bugging me for a while. If the art of forging Valyrian steel is lost then how do the Maesters forge their links out of it, and where do they get the steel they use to do it? It seems that even people who can reliable reforge or work it are rare, but any Maester can learn it at the Citadel? Could they be hiding not only the means to make it but holding huge amounts of it as well?

[@InfiniteBoredom149]

You can rework/reshape the material, but the art of making the actual thing is lost. The smith who made Ice into Oathkeeper and Widow's Wail said as much.

[@jodiemcadams1418]

Lone Reaper but that's the point. Where do they get the steel they use? Are they smelting down daggers? Are there just blocks of it that they have or were given to forge those links? Do they have the missing swords and are using those? And it's possible to reforge but it's hard to rework, it's a big deal how rare it is to even be able to rework it but any Maester can learn to do it? If they have enough steel and know how to forge chain links they could have enough for spear heads, arrow heads, or daggers. To me it just doesn't add up. We know the Maesters are hiding some knowledge such as what they know about the Long Night and magic. In the books especially.

[@meimou1754]

Valyrian steel rings are given to maesters who learn the higher mysteries, I think maester Lewin(?) told Brandon only 1 out of 10 maesters bother to with it. It shouldn't be a problem if the number of total maesters is small enough

[@jodiemcadams1418]

Meimou if it's one in ten, or even one in a hundred, that'd be at least sevral hundred if not a thousand+ Maesters with those links. Smelt those down and you've got a hundred or more spear heads. That's the start of an army. And Maesters aren't given links, they forge them, it's like Jedi building a saber. It's the final part of the type of training they are doing. They do the training for the area of study and then forge the link out of the metal themselves (or maybe reforge it) so they need the metal. Which begs the question of where they are getting it from even if they are just reforming it?

[@hitzncritzmobilegaming9988]

See it makes sense to me that they would have a ton of rings for maesters already forged. they already said you can't reforge from small to large but rather large to small. That's why the made 2 swords from neds sword.

[@signil6002]

Blown away again. The thought provoking insights you share often leave me with a strange mix of awe, wonder, and the sad disappointment that I was blind to what now seems so clear. More please!

[@berthagarcia9151]

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[@LucidHorizons]

Love your intelligent analysis and theorizing. Well scripted and narrated as always. You both rock!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Lucid Horizon thank you!

[@FirCorred]

lucid horizon - what exactly IS a nerd these days and why are there people here, on a Song/GoT channel who use it as an insult *Granny admits to confusion*

[@sunnirombough2694]

Thanks so much! You made my day. An awesome video and new GOT episode. Perfection. Please tell me you have more to come! I love the analysis you put into your videos.

[@btaybreadtastic]

So on point as always. Can we start talking about the Daynes being the first tamers of dragons in the west yet? Maybe ever? Regardless, beautiful work and analysis. Keep on keeping on. Yada yada. PEACE😃

[@sophiawilson8696]

I heard this theory that Daynes are from Valyria before it was called that or form and once they were dragons all over the world.

[@leonthecool123]

Mad litty!!!!! I been waiting! Love this channel. Keep up the beautiful work

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Leon...much appreciated

[@DanaDayne7]

I liked this video before I even watched it! You guys are great!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Dana Densmore thank you!

[@DanaDayne7]

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[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I feel like that may have sped up the entire thing by a matter of 9-10 days...the only part of it I can think of where using the weirwoods to communicate might have saved time would have been the Karstark's arrival in Winterfell...the rest of it was just a matter of taking the distances traveled and how fast George said people can travel in his world, and extrapolating out how long it would take to go from point A to point B over and over and over again

[@dratheart]

That was worth the wait! Awesome work, keep it up! :-)

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After watching a ton of GOT videos, yours bring depth and easy insight. smooth delivery! Thanks a million!!!!

[@undacoval3rotha]

All of your videos are amazing and i love the little bits of George Rail Road Martin knowledge at the ends, its a nice touch.

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[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

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[@carriezen8499]

Well done OotGH!! Just spoke to a friend earlier today about what some of the big reveals coming toward end of story may be, and this was among the ideas/theories I spoke about to her. The question of what the words of House Dayne may be when Martin reveals them is also a topic that came up online yesterday-- so to me that's related as well to Valyrian-First Men idea. I love all the real world ancient lore/myths and hidden/alternative history Martin references-- my favorite aspect of ASOIAF. :)

[@deliahernandez2716]

so I liked your videos of the show but I LOVE and missed these videos the most! keep them coming!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you...we will

[@miguelmontenegro3520]

The Fortress of oldtown was built by the deep ones. Its a different design from the buildings of Yi ti

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

possible...it seems like a rudimentary/early form of Valyrian construction too though

[@jandryengelbrecht5696]

What about house Royce? Their house words are "We remember"? 15:23. And we started hearing about them right in the prologue of the first book. A house with too many heirs?

[@MissLyrata]

Maybe I missed it, but I would add that members of Houses Hightower and Dayne often have Valyrian features such as silvery hair or purple eyes, and I think the Hightowers at least (maybe both?) claim to be descendants of the First Men. This would seem to support your theory, perhaps?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

both the Hightowers and the Daynes claim First Men descent...not sure about Hightower eyes, but the Daynes definitely have purple eyed members of their family

[@kristenstoumann8345]

​@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand I Wonder if the Hightowers sometimes show signs of Valyria simply came from them having a child on Saera Targaryen(the one that became Alicent Hightower) before she moved to Essos?

[@raulalzaga9915]

EXCELLENT VIDEO. Always enjoy your analysis. Second to none.

[@tobznoobs]

i tried to search anyone who did this theory or something similar, no one did. this is nice. great video

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thanks so much! continuation of ideas here will be coming out in the next few days

[@bradwolf07]

This video has a theory I've been considering for some time and it was made years before I found this channel. Nice

[@janeesapayne5766]

Great video! I've always thought it was interesting too that the free folk call people with redhair 'special' because they're kissed by fire. The only people I know who are associated with fire are valyrians. So it always made me wonder why would people in the far north say it's special to be kissed by fire?

[@ProfitYoEL]

YESSSSSSSSS!!!! Ive been waiting for these!!!!! Woo HOO!!!

[@stax0011]

Just discovered your channel and I have to say I'm super impressed by this video

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you

[@EyeOfEld]

One issue I have is that the Targaryen exile is clearly referring to Aenar the Exile, father of Danaerys the Dreamer, who moved from the Freehold to Dragonstone. Thus the title of the book would mean the history from Aenar to Aegon.

[@thisiskamTV]

I like this. I've theorized that the reason for the Valyrian's expansion into Westeros, but not beyond Dragonstone, was because their main goal/purpose was to mine obsidian in preparation for the wars to come. This better explains Tyrion's statement on the matter when he questions why the Valyrians never ventured West knowing that is where the wealth was.

[@riverareyes5408]

THE best ASOIAF KZbinrs out there. Keep up the good work!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Pedro Rivera thank you Pedro

[@craigrutt358]

I like the part about the faces in the weirwood trees, it makes a lot of sense. Your posts are always well researched and backed up; a pleasure to listen to and watch. Thanks 👍🏼

[@shadowmeloster]

the guy in this video,he sounds like Richard Dreyfuss. Is that you Richard? Would love him to read out a few lines out of stand by me.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Unfortunately I'm not Richard. I wish I was

[@shadowmeloster]

Oh could you fit in one of the lines from stand by me that relates to G.O.T. in one of you videos?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I'll see what I can do

[@shadowmeloster]

The Order of the Green Hand Good man.

[@asongoffirefly2791]

Thought provoking. If true, then both Dany and Jon are both "Fire & Ice", which makes more sense than Dany being fire but Jon being both fire and ice. (I know you disagree with R + L = J, which would flip it and make Dany fire & ice [Targaryen + first men] and Jon just ice [Stark]). Your videos are definitely most interesting.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much...we actually think Aegon is the combo of Ice and Fire

[@MM-xm5vx]

Bran is ice, dany is fire, Jon is ice and fire.

[@in_vas_por8810]

The Ice and Fire motif goes far beyond simply two people being Ice and Fire. Lyanna and Rhaegar are Ice and Fire, among many others. They came before Dany and Jon in the timeline. It's a story of balance, and how it perpetually shifts, and is in conflict. Good vs evil, logic vs magic, north vs south, dragon glass vs the icy weapons of the Others, the contrast between Others and Targaryens, etc... It goes very deep.

[@user-og1xf9jt5v]

ice are others not Starks and fire are dragons both keep the balance. Jon is not ice nor fire

[@margaretsieger2862]

Worth the wait,thank you for these ideas!

[@Phlowermom]

Where have you been all this time?!? So glad you popped up in my feed! Well done, well represented arguments that don't make me cringe! Subbed & rang the bell! Thank you!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@Phlowermom]

You're very welcome. Am now binge-watching your offerings to catch up with you folk. Looking forward to it!

[@yuffmymateria7859]

great vid guys! have you considered doing profiles on specific characters in the series and go in depth in possible inspirations for them and their thought processes, motivations, character arcs etc?

[@bartimaeusofuruk9681]

Guys, the Targaryen exile obviously refers to their self-chosen exile on Dragonstone a few years before the Doom. Compared to the Freehold, a rock in the sea is definitely a downstep.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

exile is defined as being forced to leave and barred from returning...I don't really know if one can exile themselves from someplace...I feel like that is just called moving, but I can't deny it is possible that the Maester who wrote that book took some poetic license with the title

[@christophercoffey7055]

Danaerys the Dreamer’s father is the one that chose to move the family from Valaeria to dragonstone. He is known as Aenar the exile. Exile can be defined as self imposed....

[@raveneyex]

Good vid, the only thing I don't fully buy is at the end: Wyman Manderly does NOT follows the Old Gods. He has "The Shield of the Faith" as one of his hereditary titles. It is good to remember that the Manderlys are not native northerners but rather people from the Reach who had to go into exile and were accepted by the Kings of Winter as vassals. Besides, there is not a single mention of Wyman Manderly actually visiting the godswood.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

the Manderlys are an ancient first men family

[@allyriastark3508]

Wolf's Den has a Weirwood tree with Wyman's face on it which means he does pray there.

[@Zenmaster_0-0_]

Another high quality video, thanks.

[@aliciaprater4836]

This is a GREAT video!!! Thank u for a new look at these tails

[@leliofirefly]

You guys entertain me almost as much as the show . You are just wonderful .

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+jamie perryman thank you!

[@Anadilxoxo]

Love your videos. They're always so much more fun than the show.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you!

[@tehn3085]

I love all your videos. Thanks for this. I really needed to be reminded of the amazing books. I need to read the books again. (Especially after last night's episode. Some if it was alright and good, but some of it irked me.)

[@beastoned8596]

Great vid! Thx

[@justintime188]

15:20 you guys missed another group that remembers. The words of House Royce literally say "We remember".

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Justin Time we thought about including that but they're First Men so we decided it would be redundant

[@gokbay3057]

I wanted to say that

[@dhineshkumar1521]

It will be massively disappointing if GRRM fails to connect these fabulous dots in his forthcoming books!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

hahaha aw! thank you.

[@scottfree6479]

I know you guys haven’t uploaded anything in like a year but I’m just now discovering your videos, and wow! You guys have done a wonderful job!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you. We still upload. Just not as frequently but we’re going to try to get back into our original schedule

[@scottfree6479]

Awesome! I know it must take a lot of work to make these videos but it really shows. Thanks again for all the time you put in :D

[@cameronwilliams88]

I love you guys I've only been watching a few days and I've watched EVERY VIDEO. You all are next level theorist and I live for it.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+cameron williams thank you!

[@fadyyousry5499]

house royce's words (a notably first men house ) we remember

[@arturfonseca3596]

Unbelievably cool!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Artur Fonseca thank you

[@arturfonseca3596]

Very pleased by the quality of the content. Kudos to you.

[@moniquegebeline4350]

Braavos was a freehold city too, the faceless men now make some more sense

[@johnathankinne3998]

Might be your best video yet. You've opened a can of worms now. You know I felt this way about the first men for a while now.

[@Ussurin]

Targs were considered "exiles" due to them running off Valyria some time before it's Doom and the book talks about their history from the moment the Targ child had prophetic dream of Doom and they all run off to Dragonstone to the fall of Targ rule in Westeros. I like much of what you say, but I cannot say how much I trust your knowledge while you forgetting so widely known things.

[@MandaloretheSavage]

This is like Warhammer 40k Inquisition level of searchong for heresy.

[@branthebeardedbuilder6813]

Finally!!! please dont take this as rude but THIS is what makes your channel a pleasure. You're in depth analyses but from an unpopular perspective(no way meant negative.) There is so much that I completely disagree with you about but still catch your videos as soon as possible. They have a layer of thought and depth rivalled by only an elite few. So I hope you can understand when I say I was disappointed when I saw a new video rushed over and saw it was an episode review / breakdown. I get it. I really do. Algorythms and such. I just know you quality of videos are leagues above so many. This is coming from someone who doesn't agree with a great many things you have proposed... But the way you propose it, the care and the hours spent finding multitudes of details for support, and just your true dedication to sharing a new perspective on everything. I never fails, I always end your videos with new food for thought. Sorry I got so long winded about it, I just really wanted to express my fear. I would hate your amazing quality to be effected effected because quantity is so often the name of the game. Take a pathetic from Martin Hahaha look how long he makes us wait... (p.s. just don't do that) Hahahahahah thanks again for a wonderful derful and insightful video

[@nexishadow]

I've often wondered where the first men originate from. I've also wondered why the information wasn't readily available...

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Nexishadow I feel like he purposely withholds information about things he's going to build mysteries around

[@sharablecortex2725]

Also and I'm sorry to keep commenting. You guys are great. Keep up your awesome work. And the man's voice is like listening to a real documentary's.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you. It comes from years of talking entirely too much

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

Yeah I'm mostly on board with this one. Geat content as per usual you two.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thanks!

[@jamestaylor4511]

Intresting..I found ur channel a couple month ago..uz are the best ive found. .totally agree with ur jon snow parents video. .but the kingsgaurd theory was awsome..the best

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thanks so much!

[@krakentacos]

Thank you for explaining this!!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

our pleasure!

[@rheeventures8144]

I haven't even started video yet I just seen out got excited.. seen title and geeked out!! I have been saying this. Argued it just last night even❤❤❤ u guys r great.. now I watch.. ujust get it lol

[@angie-tq4ew]

I love your videos!!!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you

[@demon_king9112]

I been waiting for a new video that wasn't a review. No offense to the reviews I just seen way to many from others and I like these video better

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+James Maddox I've been dying to make this! Brans coming this week!

[@AMBERSKYS1]

James Maddox review vidz = quick $

[@AMBERSKYS1]

The Order of the Green Hand Bran definitely has a big overall role to play & to me, it's the most mysterious.

[@PrincessCupncake]

+James Maddox -- hahah! I said pretty much the same thing!!! Anyone wanna join me in the live chats to protest this madness???

[@FirCorred]

+James Maddox - maybe you'd like In Deep Geek, though he's doing reviews right now as well, which, at this point, are moot. But he's got his own way, a singular one never repeated by any other Got/Song channel. The video about what the hell IS in the Winterfell crypts that everyone is fussing about, or "the real theon greyjoy" are really worth your time, even if you don't care for the thoughtful reviews...

[@BlackHand531]

This was so good! What's next?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Bran the Builder...this was actually his part 2 video, but we got 23 minutes in and hadn't mentioned his name yet so we decided a few nights ago that we had to cut it off and rename it...we originally intended to do one 15 minute video about him, but once we started digging, we just kept finding more stuff we wanted to include

[@williamjameshoffer4405]

Don't forget the symbol of House Massey and that they are amongst the oldest houses on Westeros. Seem right up your alley. Thanks for these videos! Great work!

[@ariel10ism1]

Excellent video!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+liking move thank you!

[@Glockler]

Interesting, but how would we reconcile the Valyrians looking uber-Aryan in stark contrast to the rest of the people in Westeros?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

they are like distant cousins...it seems to me that Garth Greenhand is much older than them, so he would likely be descended from one of the first emperors, and the Valyrians the Amethyst Empress...I know we haven't fully explained why we think that yet but it's coming...so they're related, but from different lines, but all First Men

[@Glockler]

The theory does mesh well with House Dayne looking Valyrian, and Lynesse Hightower apparently looked just like Dany.

[@ivanvelez2069]

Great video

[@hashpond420]

Exile to Apotheosis. Leaving the Freehold and exiling themselves to Dragonstone, to becoming emperors of an entire continent (Westeros).

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Very interesting video!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you

[@anapaz329alvarez3]

Ooooh My Old Gods! Nice ending! Super like

[@ThePuppyTurtle]

Maybe the Targarians' "Exile" is them leaving the freehold, and "apotheosis" is them conquering Westeros?