Game of Thrones HATERS/LOVERS Watch House of The Dragon 1x4 | Reaction/Review

Daemon and Rhaenyra get together......otto is fired....what is happening in House of the Dragon Episode 4 #react #gameofthrones #houseofthedragon
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[@LameKitten55]

Viserys has the most impressive lego set.

[@gorlithia]

Man's just a nerd. He even claimed the dragon with the most lore instead of a younger one.

[@BelovedAlicent]

Daemon was trying to ruin Rhaenyra’s reputation so that his brother would be forced to marry them (as no one else would want to marry her after she “soiled” herself). His love for his family doesn’t stop him from actively hurting them to get what he wants. Daemon and Rhaenyra are probably the darkest relationship we’ve gotten in both shows, because the implication is that he’s been grooming her since before she was 14 (her age in the first episode).

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

It's not as cut and dry. I think his real passion sort of often merge with his cold planning. I think he has a thing for her and at the same time he used her (like at the sex place) to get what he wanted. But what he wants is also restoring the Targaryen power which she would be part of with him. So it's like all entangled.

[@BelovedAlicent]

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 I agree that he does actually want her. But his obsession with “restoring” the Targaryen house is not only self destructive but is also a big reason the family is self destructing too. He’s calculating, but he’s also too emotional, it’s a terrible combo.

[@BelovedAlicent]

@@Caraxes_RoguePrince The characters don’t have to know the terminology, or even the concept of grooming, for us, the AUDIENCE, to recognize what it is. What Daemon is doing is immoral whether he knows it or not.

[@BelovedAlicent]

@@Caraxes_RoguePrince Bro, you can recognize that characters don’t fully REALIZE that what they’re doing is immoral because of the time period they’re living in, while also acknowledging that what they’re doing is still fucked up. Marrying a 14yo is fucked up, even if it was a common practice during the time period. Are you following what i’m saying? Lmao. Again, a character doesn’t have to know what they’re doing is bad for it to still be objectively a bad thing to do. Idk how else to break it down for you.

[@BelovedAlicent]

@@Caraxes_RoguePrince It IS fucked up that Daemon was sold at 15. Idk why you think i wouldn’t believe that??

[@ZeldasMask]

I honestly love your reacts you guys are my fave react channel now 😂

[@Mahdizzs]

Please GoT after HOTD

[@nbbgirl2400]

I look forward to these every week. Happy Monday, y’all!

[@erisraine]

i absolutely love your discussions!!

[@rac_coun]

Sir Strong, in the corner weeping, because he wasn't mentioned when honor was brought up.

[@kalianievelez]

Just an addition that Alicent is NOT the queen she is queen consort. Simply just the king’s partner she is not royalty. After the death of Viserys she will then become queen dowager

[@BrookeShares]

I hope you will consider reacting to GOT after watching HOTD.

[@tyneseee2350]

daemyra❤ i ship

[@tyneseee2350]

@nxyla123 cry bout it ehehehe

[@jazzycat8917]

The kid at the start is a Blackwood and the dude bullying him is a Bracken, those two houses have hated each other for longer than anyone can remember.

[@LuizVieiraPintoNeto]

'Would you like to see the tapestries? lol' Best line of this troll of a King.

[@elenawinslow2717]

i'm only halfway through this video but I want to point out Viserys considers Rhaenyra his blood and he considers Aegon as a Hightower (of Alicent/Otto's blood). He loves Rhaenyra and only her, she is his favorite child.

[@CarloRodriguez10]

All what Daemon did with Rhaenyra in the public place was to spread the rumors of them being together and make sure that people see so that there wouldn’t be any doubts. And he succeeded.

[@XIII13X]

12:10 Canon : What if she got pregnant ? Rhaniyra : So what? 🙂 - And just tow episodes earlier we heard "Team Rhaniyra" 💀😂

[@noobinho1724]

😂😂

[@ironfisted4814]

the editor skips a couple of good scenes you gotta show them guys i know u can't show everything on yt but still compare to others reaction channels you guys are showing very little.

[@karinsoanarindrastelanony866]

Day 46576868 asking you guys to watch GOT **insert that meme picture of a doll clasping her hands with a little smirk**

[@Manchesthair]

RIP anyone watching this episode with their parents.

[@lcyax3155]

Thanks for the warning bro

[@ryneis]

I’ve watched it with my grandma 😭

[@jacquelinelaface136]

My mom and I watched it. But we watched Game of Thrones, Outlander and True Blood together, so we've been desensitized to those awkward scenes 😊

[@ninnak-ve5ko]

I always do a bit of research before I watch something with my parents 😂😂 the OG game of Thrones taught me that 😂😂😂

[@b-six-twelve]

I think this was the episode that broke that habit for me

[@a.s2791]

words of house Blackwood "Fuck around and find out"

[@InJouHande]

IYKYK

[@rollyro71]

👍

[@NXD_95]

Yall are catchin on but things to clarify... Viserys is less mad about the brother part of the situation than the going behind his back. Especially since he's been putting so much time and effort into trying to get Rhaenyra courted. It'll ruin her reputation and already weak claim to the throne if the public eye finds out that she has lost her "maidenhood" before marriage (yay sexism). As Alicent stated, the Targs are known for their "queer customs" (incest) but they have been trying to change little by little to appease the rest of the seven kingdoms (marrying other families, adopting "the seven" as their religion). Viserys and Aemma were cousins. Corlys and Rhaenys are related. Aegon the Conqueror was married to both his sisters. As wild as this sentence seems, the king doesn't care about his brother hitting on his daughter. It's more the way he went about it.

[@blueyeshadow2738]

I feel like they yet don’t understand how normalized incest is for the Targaryens. Even then the history of royal families shows their practices

[@prestonsapp9278]

W comment I hope they see this one, as weird as it is to say lmao but that’s how the Targs thought, they kept it in the family to keep the targ blood as pure as possible, that’s why they all have white hair, if you see a two white haired people married they are related

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

Actually he did care about daemon potentially fucking rhenyrea did you not pay attention? Literally he only started to get mad when daemon was involved he wasn't bothered by her being in a brothel he was bothered that she was there with daemon this is further emphasized during visarys argument with daemon later in the episode.

[@NXD_95]

@@thatoneblackdude3333 context. He is mad but because of how they were sneaking around in the shadows. I can guarantee that if daemon wasn't already married and calmly asked for Rhae's hand for the good of the realm, Viserys would be like "meh why not?" Just like in the other ep when Otto suggests he wed Rhea to Aegon. Viserys isn't like "WHAT?? OMG THATS HER BROTHER" His concern is that he's only 3. Viserys cares about the perception of the situation but not because they're related

[@DefaultName-du3kr]

@@thatoneblackdude3333 Had Daemon not been married and asked the king for her hand he would not have been upset. The rumors about her fucking her uncle in a whore house however weakens their legitimacy.

[@Manchesthair]

“She was a calculated distraction.” I celebrated with fireworks after hearing that. Otto got what he deserved but for the wrong reason.🤣🤣

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

Was it for the wrong reasons tho ? Sure Otto wasn't lying but he wasn't reporting out of the goodnesses of his heart , visarys literally called him out hes only doing this to ruin rheanyras reputation to convince visarys to disinherit her .

[@kaboom3423]

Don't want to spoil things but you will be pissed after a few episodes.😅

[@jamien368]

@@thatoneblackdude3333 but him reporting to viserys was his job so STILL he did his job perfectly, he could've used this information against rhaenyra by having it to spread so no lord would marry her and viserys would have to disinherit her BUT HE DIDN'T and even after viserys fired him he STILL didn't spread the rumour, otto is ambitious yes but a great hand tbh, like he served king jaehaerys and jaehaerys doesn't pick anyone to be his hand.

[@Paula2128]

@@jamien368 the problem was not Otto´s actions, it was the intent behind it. He doesn´t care about the realm and he doesn´t care about the king, he only cares about whatever serves his house best. That´s why he pushed Alicent to be the next queen, when Laena was the best option, and that´s why he even had someone following Raenyra. He was waiting to have dirt on her and report it to the king, in hopes that Viserys would go back on his choice at making her heir... Otto wants his future grandchildren to be heir, not Raenyra. That actually makes him a very horrible Hand, that will put his needs before his king´s.

[@jamien368]

@@Paula2128 you clearly not making any sense, otto does care about the realm because house is part of the realm and he is ore westrosi than all targaryens combined because his house were founded before even valyria itself existed and he actually serves the realm, otto kept the realm at peace since jaehaers time and even after king viserys was sick, and laena was a mere child repeating what she was told to do so how she's better queen than alicent who was giving viserys council about the stepstones war at her young age? otto saw how daemon is a threat to the realm if he became king and how he doesn't respect the faith or westrosi traditions or even the westrosi people and he's clearly irresponsible and uncontrolable like he's called the rogue prince for a reason, otto also is the one who told viserys to name rhaenyra as heir ans if not for otto viserys would've never seen rhaenyra as an option and nor will the small council whom among them a man said "rhaenyra? a girl? no queen has ever sat the iron throne, you cannot break thousands years of peace by naming a girl heir" do you know wh said that? LORD STRONG, the one you all call good hand, how ironic. rhaenyra is a woman and the realm won't accept her and it will lead to war eventually as rhaenys herself warned rhaenyra, war will cause the realm to burn and otto was trying to prevent it and he's right and real, viserys forcing the lords to bow to her in ep 1 is itself not a great start, the lords should choose her and respect her and she should have married from the westrosi houses to bind herself to the land and earn their trust.

[@antoinegriezmann9369]

19:19 Carter: They're such good character foils for each other. They're literally perfecting their storyline. Me: Bombastic side eye

[@isaacdeans4294]

The Kingsguard, the group of knights who protect the king, have sworn to never love, have sex, or children. The penalty for breaking these vows, especially with the princess, is death or worse

[@MariG]

I can’t wait for another week 😭 drop the next vid asap

[@Mrktn4]

Real

[@zzseabearzz3859]

The kid and the guy he killed are from from House Blackwood (the kid) and House Bracken (dead guy) their families have one of the oldest rivalries in all of Westeros and theyre always beefing

[@bluegypsy71]

🤔…did Rhaenyra take the “morning after tea”…she’s damned if she does damned if she doesn’t…did the King really send that tea? A Maester brought it in, Maesters are trained in the Citadel of OldTown, the family seat of the Hightowers and it might be that their loyalties lie with them and not the King, think about it…if she doesn’t take it she may be pregnant, but if she did take it, it’s an admission that she is not a virgin and further taints the realm’s view of her as heir. I feel bad for her.

[@jamaalellison3076]

Plan-tea

[@rexibhazoboa7097]

she couldv'e drank half and filled the cup back with hot water. A lot of good thinking does.

[@sawervogue]

Rhaenyra looked like Cole Sprouse with that beanie and by the end of the night she was Cole’s spouse😏.

[@cannonandrus5554]

I see what you did there😂

[@sophiekerst5346]

I love that they don’t realize that Viserys and Daemons parents were siblings

[@kendralarew8081]

😅

[@Elizabethnicolee]

Found you guys through your AOT watch through and have loved everyone’s reactions so far! These videos are the highlight of my day and I can’t wait to see your reactions farther along

[@Bigglesman96]

Daemon is a savage but he loves his family above all else

[@jamien368]

not all his family tho, alicent's sons are his family but he doesn't love them, well ofc since he cannot marry them to get closer to the throne so yeah

[@Ziaotic]

​@@jamien368 he hates them because they're fucking little shits. Aegon is a monster, Aemond is a borderline sociopath. he's shown no contempt towards Helaena

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

@@jamien368 He literally has no connection to them, why would he love them. He never saw much of them.

[@originalrkmorton]

Both brothers are solely consumed with restoring the greatness of Old Valyria. Viserys has his clay models. Daemon has his obsession with his family's glory that he feels is slipping away due to exposure from the Western World's customs and politics.

[@marirezende8478]

​​@@jamien368 not even Viserys cares for them much lol they're not born out of Targaryen/Valyrian tradition, he always favored Rhaenyra, so it's understandable they don't care much about Alison's children. Daemon only cares about the Strong children, which are not pure Targaryen, probably because he's fond of Rhaenyra and she loves them. But usually Targaryens favor their tradition which is marrying and having children among their house.

[@mrvgamingwatching9753]

When she swears on her mother…she isn’t lying. When she says “Daemon never touched me” it’s not meant to be taken literally. Back in the day to be “touched” meant that they had sex. So she didn’t lie, and Alicent was the one to take that as Rhaenyra was still a virgin…even though that’s not what she said.

[@jordanrivers5825]

What a stretch 😭

[@mrvgamingwatching9753]

@@jordanrivers5825Not really. I’m a medieval historian, and it was common language of the time. Just takes a few brain cells and knowledge of the English language to deduce it.

[@jordanrivers5825]

@@mrvgamingwatching9753 pretty sure the writers meant that he touched her sexually which he did so I’m not sure what kind of vast stretch youre trying to make but rhaenyra was being extremely manipulative in that situation

[@mrvgamingwatching9753]

@@jordanrivers5825 It’s not a stretch to begin with; I’m a medieval historian with a basis on women and sexuality. So I know what I’m talking about. To be touched in the Middle Ages (from which the story is based on) meant sexual penetration. Daemon couldn’t get it up once he seen Rhaenyra was into it. They say that in the after show sequence. If you’re saying she is lying, you have to understand her words in the context of the story and language of the time…again, it takes some deduction, but not much if you know what you’re talking about.

[@kmc4816]

@@mrvgamingwatching9753yea except this show takes place in a fantasy world not in our literal medieval times and it’s clear what the writers were trying to get across in that scene

[@Sigma4k_]

“She’s about to get feral with him she’s all riled up” LMFAOOO

[@sawervogue]

Brig doing his number 1 business in toilet so fast. Impressive.

[@sesawe2865]

13:00 Homeboy was so confused🤣

[@Kittybbbyy]

“When we watch GOT” … for the channel yes? 🙏🏻 pls

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

gonna be lit!

[@spookyspooks33]

the “sir crispson” so confidently has me so dead

[@ryanasencio8299]

To answer Carter, if Viserys dies, Alicent becomes dowager queen. Rhaenyra would still be the queen and whoever she marries would be king consort.

[@isaaaaa444]

actually otto is not right, rhaenyra tells viserys that his hand is self-interested and she's right. the only reason why otto has hired spies to watch rhaenyra (which is already absurd and he deserved getting punished for it) is because he wants to find reasons to have rhaenyra's position as heir taken away from her and given to aegon, as it benefits him and the hightowers more. he tells viserys that rhaenyra and daemon were having sex when, in fact, they weren't, as daemon stops it before it happens - and otto also knows that, because the child spy only leaves the brothel after daemon and rhaenyra stop and daemon leaves (yet he still tells viserys that they were, in fact, having sex). rhaenyra is also not obliged to tell alicent anything considering alicent hid the fact that she was seeing viserys from rhaenyra for half a year, the only person she should have to answer to is her father as he is the king, and she does.

[@tino10101]

the difference is that alicent was commanded by the king not to speak of their "relationship" whilst rhaenyra chose to lie to her and even swear on her dead mother like it was nothing.

[@leeking6939]

​@@tino10101 she still owed that information to her childhood friend a person who she considers a sister. She was still wrong for that.

[@JamMac2023]

@@leeking6939childhood friendship is more important than secrecy sworn to the KING?

[@jamien368]

otto didn't hire spies, he had spies since he was serving viserys as a hand, rhaenyra was spotted by one of his spies because daemon made sure of it so otto would ruin rhaenyra's reputation and no man would wed her BUT DAEMON to get closer to the throne BUT otto never told this to anyone but the king as his duty commands him to to tell the king and not any other soul and he did his duty, it was viserys whom treated him badly and felt like some westrosi mere man is judging his targaryen royal heir daughter, viserys is was arrogant in that scene.

[@tino10101]

@@leeking6939 she could've been harmed for speaking against the kings orders. she did nothing wrong, rhaenyra wouldn't have done anything differently.

[@anaiswhitney3891]

Ooooooh we’re getting to the good episodes. Not sure if you guys watch the episode breakdowns but this one would be a good one to revisit along with the one for the next episode. Damon DOES love his family but is a chaos king. He plots and his delivery is usually awful but he in a twisted way does means well. Viserys does wise up this episode but as you guys mentioned in a previous reaction, he struggles with being a good dad while also trying to be a good king. He has a duty and they don’t always align when it comes to his future decisions

[@WaqarAhmad-vo9nb]

CLOSED UP Cannon face, and he says, "Dude what if she gets pregnant." GOD I swear I burst into laughter. Like dude, they're kissing 🤣 The closeup made it even funnier. And he actually felt something sick is going to happen next. But damn when he said that what if she gets pregnant. dead

[@flovonnejohnson707]

The reason he doesn't mention the brother part when daemon asks for her hand in marriage is because its part of their family's custom to marry within the family to keep bloodlines pure. With the Targaryen bloodline being pure the power and "control" of dragons stays within the family and royal line

[@BelovedAlicent]

Viserys tells Daemon that Rhaenyra is “just a girl” (she is 18 or 19 at this point) yet he married her best friend, Alicent, when she was only 15. The king isn’t the least dirty person in my opinion. He’s portrayed as a sympathetic man, but the choices he makes go against everything he CLAIMS he wants. If you pay attention to his actions vs what he says he wants to do, you’ll see that he’s a more frustrating character than Rhaenyra.

[@ryanasencio8299]

People always pick sides, but the only character worth blame is Viserys. Yes, he's a decent man, but he's a poor king and an even worse father.

[@BelovedAlicent]

@@ryanasencio8299 I don’t even think he’s a decent man lol. I think we feel sorry for weak people who say they want everyone to be happy, so the consensus is he’s “decent”. But a lot of his actions speak to his selfish nature. Marrying his daughter’s best friend after killing her mother (essentially taking away her support system), was one of the worst things he did. Also the way he neglected his other children, and didn’t protect them (cough episode 7 cough). How can you be a bad king, a bad father, and a bad husband, but still be a decent man?

[@happilyevernever4289]

​@@BelovedAlicent I mean if you compare with other characters' actions + intentions, then he is decent in that regard.

[@s1lm4r1l6]

Regarding the intro, you guys are in for some great stuff in the next few seasons. Blood and Cheese, Fishfeed, Roddy the Ruin, Tumbleton, the Battle of the God's Eye.

[@jamien368]

rhaenyra mocking the lords at the beginning of the episode might be satisfying and funny to some people but it's actually not wise because she needs those lords support since she's heir and expected to become queen, it is morally corect since thy're old men proposing to her lol but it is not strategicallyand politically correct thing to do, the right thing to do is to refuse with an acceptable manner.

[@peyton1768]

to be fair though, they kind of deserve it 😭plus she's still a teenager here, and her father also practically forced her to do it, so I would say it's half about her childishness and half about spiting her father

[@jdsthird]

It’s fun 🤩 to watch you guys expressing your man crush 😻 over Daemon. 😂

[@kendralarew8081]

Daemon is HIM 😅

[@WaqarAhmad-vo9nb]

Alright, with another comment. This time Jack saying, "Do it, your princess commands it." and then Carter goes like, "Wow Jack." This is so funny, Man. I love you all guys and I hope to see not this one show but every show with you all. I feel so related to you all through your videos. its amazing. Peace Brothers. Keep em coming.

[@NoShiiitSherlock]

Can't wait for episode 7. Episode 7 is where everything implodes 😅 sh*t gets CRAZY

[@percyweasley9301]

Rhaenyra technically didn't lie to Alison.. No sex happened with Daemon.. 😬😬😬 Also 'Moon Tea'😅

[@KatBee00]

But technically he did touch her 😂 and that's what she swore about **For anyone that reads this thread later on, this was a joke using the play on words. I thought the emoji would clue people in. Everyone needs to relax.**

[@jazzycat8917]

But he DID touch her, that is the lie

[@kaboom3423]

@@KatBee00 Rhaenyra's "touch" means more about it.

[@tino10101]

she lied about being a virgin, even swore on her dead mother lol

[@hulkie76]

She did lie she said Daemon never touched me.

[@Sigma4k_]

Daemon would never backstab his brother. Completely out of his character. He’s 1000% loyal to his brother and his family

[@jamien368]

he did tho, going for his brother's heir so he could reach power after his brother disinherited him is backstabbing.

[@Sigma4k_]

@@jamien368 no it is not. And he didn’t backstab his brother I’ve literally seen the show and read the books. Daemon is the definition of loyalty

[@sen.m7832]

He literally killed his first wife for her inheritance, seduced his niece when she was still a child, choked rhaenyra in the last episode and people still worship him... Daemon fanboys are crazy lol

[@jamien368]

@@Sigma4k_ lol no he is not any near to loyalty, and i'm talking about this episode where he went behind the king and planned to get to his daughter and heir so he could be king. and near the throne

[@Sigma4k_]

@@jamien368 daemon does not want to be king idk where u get that from u have bad interpretation of the show

[@nevaehaho61]

So in the beginning that kid was from House Blackwood and the jerk was from House Bracken. They have a blood feud that was going on long before the Targaryens and still exists in GoT even though we don’t see it. They basically use any excuse to be jerks to each other

[@davidnobre5660]

I mean, he surrendered, gave up his weapon and they were still gonna kill him that's not dirty

[@sakutaro3musik486]

you didn´t get the problem with otto is not him spying on rheanyra, it´s him sending his doughter to the king and telling the king to marry her, that match was bad for the realm and only benefits house hightower and more specific otto and alicent

[@sakutaro3musik486]

dramon marrying rhyneara would have been the only right choice to make, on top of that viseris should have married lady leana volarys and then nothing would have go down like it will now

[@sanshine4717]

12:49 no, she's not safe or fine and daemon knows it, he took off her hat so everyone could recognise her. She is a woman, the heir to the throne and it's in a pleasure house, unprotected.

[@keanancupido]

I was so gagged when I watched THAT scene for the first time. I'm a huge fan of the books and show, so I knew that the Targaryens did the incest thing, but when you see it on screen it's so different than reading it😭

[@kaboom3423]

I mean if Rhaenyra were a man, he can sleep with whoever he wants. Viserys and Daemon fucked through the street of silk when they were young and nothing happened.

[@jamien368]

yeah but she's a woman and princess so it's different, one night with a man could get her pregnant and endanger her life to have some bastard who would not even be looked after, there were no plan b back then and the teas weren't 60% trustworthy

[@jamaalellison3076]

@alialmijrab7221 it always funny watching people put modern-day sensibilities on these European era stories. Fantasy or not, their world is a patriarchal society, and Viserys has bent over backwards to make exceptions for her and she's squandered it at almost opportunity and when she does she gets pissy about Aegon getting the crown.

[@jamien368]

@@jamaalellison3076 TRUE, like rhaenyra had so many opportunities to do things right YET she made it worse by not playing by the rules and making enemies everywhere with no reason at all, she could've kept otto close to her as her advisor or even to train her how to be treat with lords and be wise with her words and not make an enemy of alicent just because she married the king and be close to her siblings and bond with them and reject lords marriage proposals with respect, like jorah was sent to kill dany yet she managed to keep him at her side, rhaenyra could've done the same with otto.

[@jamaalellison3076]

@alialmijrab7221 like I get her being mad at Alicent that's completely justified she'swith her dad, but it's not like she could really refuse. I just feel like people make excuses for Rhaenyra because she's fighting the patriarchy and Vilifieing Alicent for the opposite reasons.

[@wannurfarhanazawani5478]

​@jamaalellison3076 is more like fighting for herself rather than the patriarchy. She was so ready to steal the velaryon throne from baela and rhaena for her obvious bastards.

[@rachellemorriss1675]

What a lot of people have a hard time with is separating reality with a shows lore. The targarians Wed there own blood all the time, Daemon was going to "ruin her reputation" that night but he changed his mind because he cares about her.Daemon and Rhaynera would make a very powerful couple and it would stop all this strife over her being a woman and heir to the throne.

[@happilyevernever4289]

He may have stopped before he could truly defile her. Perhaps his guilty conscience stopped him. But he realized he didn't need to go all the way to ruin her reputation. Which he meant to do from the very start. So he only did half of an evil deed, as he didn't fully go through with it, but the damage is already done.

[@mayobanor3637]

you guys watch the nexy episode now !!! 😭

[@itsthatgirl98_]

20:33 Daemon is right about this, since both Daemon and Rhaenyra are parents of two kings, grandparents of three kings, etc... They practically restored House of the Dragon until it was destroyed by Robert Baratheon's rebellion.

[@SimplymeSVEN18]

Not really tbh. Viserys' reign was the beginning of the end of the house of the dragon as he could've prevented the inevitable war by disinheriting Rhaenyra, but didn't. Rhaenyra's "reign" saw their house lose the only thing that gave them a secure grasp on the throne; their dragons. Rhaenyra and Daemon's grandson, Aegon the unworthy, weakened the house beyond repair as his actions resulted in the 5 Blackfyre rebellions. By the time of the mad king the Targaryens were essentially a dying animal in need of a mercy-killing. Aerys was simply the final nail in the coffin.

[@percyweasley9301]

​@SimplymeSVEN18 No, simply don't marry Alicent or marry Rhaenyra and Aegon or Jace and Haelena.. No need to dis inherit.. Aegon would have been tyrent...

[@SimplymeSVEN18]

@@percyweasley9301 Rhaenyra turned out to be more of a tyrant than Aegon. Aegon pre-war was pretty weak-willed and unwilling to be king so he would've left most of the ruling to his council, like Robert Baratheon did. Viserys would've married eventually, because his council was forcing/demanding him to do so. He said this numerous times. If not Alicent it would've been someone else, a war was bound to happen. By the time Aegon came of age Rhaenyra would've been in her thirties I believe. Given her mother died in childbirth and birthing a living child gets more riskier (for both mother and child) and unlikelier with age it would've been a risky gamble. Politically speaking I agree that it would've been the best solution; but as I said, risky. If Rhaenyra failed to birth an heir Viserys would've wasted two of his potential heirs. Especially with the limited time Rhaenyra would have left to haveachild; she'd breed herself into an early grave as her father did with her mother.

[@brookcty]

I hate that Rhaenyra gets blamed for her uncle being a predator. That man has been grooming her since she was 13. She honestly did what she had to do by lying because she would be disowned if it got out. But imo she mostly lied to protect Daemon. I also think it's none of Alicent's business. Like girl, you and your father schemed to get into the position you're in right now, like hold the judgments. Otto has his own agenda, and thank god Viserys has finally seen the light. Good riddance.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

I think it's because Alicent has trouble understanding Rhaenyra's reckless wild ways. Alicent had no choice but be responsible all her life being severely raised by Otto since she was a child to be a proper lady and do what she is told. So there's this resentement and jealousy there from Alicent.

[@Caraxes_RoguePrince]

A predator? That’s literally common in those days and he has not been grooming her lol she said herself that she barely ever sees him in the first episode. It’s just what Targaryens do

[@brookcty]

@johnnyskinwalker4095 Yes, exactly resentment and jealousy, and I hate that. I mean, her father raised her to wear her mother's dresses to get close to the king and become his child bride. She lied to Rhaenyra for months while she secretly spent time with her father, so maybe she shouldn't question her at all.

[@brookcty]

@caraxes_dt6729 Well him taking his innocent niece to a whore house is predatorial to me. This whole episode was about him manipulating and breaking her down. Telling her she will be forced to marry but she can fuck who she wants. Having her sneak out to be with him and watch a show that negatively depicts her to tear her self-esteem down. Then he gets her drunk and takes advantage of her. I mean, you can still like Daemon and question his manipulative ways.

[@Lostlife656]

Why don't they wear better mics

[@ibbi8192]

Otto has only been focusing on his own interests for a long time, he was like a vulture looking to use anything against Rhaenyra and thus try to convince Viserys to change the succession. Taking Otto away was Viserys' best decision in a long time, he just made a mistake when he brought him back. It's Otto's fault for all the machinations and conspiracy within the court that never ends and everything so that his blood gets to the throne. He is a pest

[@shannyd1]

Otto didn't tell the truth though, because he insisted Rhaenyra & Daemon coupled, aka had sex which isn't true, no one could have witnessed such a thing and that spy child was outside of the pleasure house room they were in anyway. Otto has committed treason more than once, conspiring & scheming against the King's wishes & chosen heir Rhaenyra. Daemon was half playing a game and getting back at Visery for allowing Otto to come between them so easily, despite his warnings. (Remember Daemon in ep 1, had been heir for 9 years & never harmed his family but also saw Otto for the snake he is, who's also a 2nd son. We saw Otto's big brother, (Hobert Hightower) in ep 3, reminding Otto to get Visery to name baby Aegon II heir.) Daemon truly loves & cares for Rhaenyra so he ended up stopping himself before things went to far, he didn't want to use her in that way, especially when she ended up taking control of the situation, like she does most times with him ep2,4 & more to come. Otto schemed and did things the wrong way for power to his family, even though he plays it all off like "a scarifice to the stability of the realm" lol. Using Rhaenyra's strength and gender as a threat to the realm, when really it would be a detrimental to him. Otto deserves death for the crime of multiple treasons to the KING & HEIR, of all people. Otto was very fortunate to just get fired but in the end he did his job by getting his blood in the Targaryen Valerian royal bloodlines. I also hated Allicents reaction to Rhaenyra, firstly she had no right to question Rhaenyra & she definitely looked jealous & resentful, (REMEMBER that "queer Targaryen customs" line, she seemed so against) towards Rhaenyra. Allicent is jealous of her freedom and how Visery as a father protect & puts his child & her happiness 1st unlike OTTO. Allicent definitely had a thing for Daemon in the past. If u rewatch the jousting in ep 1, Allicent first looks so upset & horrified by her brothers bad fall thanks to prince Daemon. However, once Daemon puts his attention on her, asking for Allicent's favour for luck, she completely swoons & gets happy. The smile falls for a moment when Otto sees her, but after her favour is given to Daemon & the jousting is about to begin. The show makes a point to the show Allicent so exastic, happy, smiling big, (for 1st time this whole season) while clapping 👏 for Daemon & encouraging Rhaenyra to do so. Think the end is meant to make you question IF Rhaenyra could be pregnant by Criston. Then IF she will drink it. Which i was sure she would because she's agreed to her marriage & only chose Criston because of her rejection by Daemon, who she truly wants & connects with. Doesn't make sense for her to want Cristons child or proof she had child before she's even got married.

[@tamiwatchesstuff]

I fully agree. I can’t stand the Hightowers either.

[@shannyd1]

@@tamiwatchesstuff Much appreciated 🙏🏽 #TeamBlack🖤

[@saintmandy]

I haven't seen anyone talk about this in the comments, but in the breakdown episode they confirmed that Daemon couldn't get it up..

[@firstofall21]

Otto did all those coz he wanted his grandson be the king not rhaenyra

[@margisama]

Yeah it wasn't the uncle/niece thing that bothered him. It was Daemon already being married (the Targaryens had agreed to give up polygamy after the fiasco with Maegor the Cruel ((the faith of the seven which really hated both the polygamy and the incest tolerated the Targ incest because they didn't have much choice, but the marrying more than one spouse was very much a no-no)), and him ruining her reputation before she was married. Viserys and Daemon's parents Baelon the Brave and Queen Alyssa were brother and sister, AND their grandfather Jaehaerys was married to his sister Alysanne. Brother/sister incest is normal for Targaryen rulers. Note that Viserys' objection to the prospect of Rhaenyra being betrothed to her half-brother Aegon wasn't "eww they're siblings", it was the fact that Aegon was so much younger than her. If they'd been a lot closer in age they probably would've automatically been betrothed.

[@yohanmartinez606]

If Viserys dies, Rhaenyra will be crowned as Queen Regent and will rule the Kingdom, while Alicent will keep her title as Queen Consort of King Viserys.

[@sophiekerst5346]

People have a hard time realizing that Rhaenyra could loose everything, of course she lied & Alicent was angry bc she’s jealous

[@shanekeg]

Bruh, ive heard friek and stood on business more in 3 episodes than ive heard in 3 yrs 🤨

[@Caraxes_RoguePrince]

Rhaenyra didn’t have sex with daemon so she didn’t lie on her mom…also daemon dragon is not one of the smallest dragons idk where you get that from lol it’s one of the biggest dragons in this show and game of thrones. Alicent lied to rhaenyra about seeing viserys and she didn’t tell rhaenyra or the king her dad is planning to usurp rhaenyra throne so how is she one of the most honorable? Targaryens an incest house even daemon parents and grandparents was siblings. Daemon would not hurt viserys and not every Targaryen is like that either that makes no sense lmao some people at bad and some are good but some are both and that’s daemon but he is loyal on his family and those he love. Saying every targaryen could backstab is crazy cuz every person could backstab somebody not just a Targaryen. And yes cole knows if he has sex he will die lol he broke his vow so that means he’s not honorable right?

[@resathe6760]

Because you were confused why the Bracken guy in the beginning was such a dick to little Willem Blackwood: The Blackwoods and the Brackens are both ancient Riverland houses who have hated each other's guts for ages. Both houses have different versions why they hate each other. It's more likely nobody knows the real reason why and how the feud started ;D The triarchy is an alliance of three of the free cities in Essos ( Myr, Lys and Tyrosh). They first rid the stepstones of pirates (which the Seven Kingdoms found pretty good) but then got greedy themselves and enslaved women and children for their brothels. Most of the hidden ways of the Red Keep were built by the order of Maegor the Cruel (son of Aegon the conquerer and third Targaryen king). After they were finished Maegor had all those who worked on it killed so nobody would know about those secret passages. Making Criston break his kingsguard vows was a pretty good sign that at that point Rhaenyra either didn't care about the consequences her actions could and would have on her but also on others or wasn't aware of it and I'm not sure which of both is worse. And yes, he could be executed for it. And I'm not saying he wasn't into her but I don't think he would've ever acted on it if she hadn't been so insistent. It was more or less a command by someone he swore to serve. I loved the contrast between Rhaenyra's scene with Criston and Alicent's scene with Viserys. They were portrayed so contrarily and yet consent was probably questionable in both cases. The thing is Daemon marrying Rhaenyra would've been probably not the worst thing politically. You can't forget that it is normal for Targaryens to wed family members. Viserys was married to his cousin and only because he didn't have any sisters. King Jaehaerys (Viserys grandfather) was married to his sister same as Viserys' father Baelon. The show definitely did a great job of giving reasons to root for either side. Rhaenyra is clearly the main character but she has a lot of flaws and I think that makes it great. Because some of the things she does are understandable from a human perspective but in her role as a princess and future queen some of her decisions are just objectively bad and will come back to bite her. Same goes for most characters in the show. Daemon is a monster and yet he is written and played in such a way that you still kinda like him. Viserys is a kind man and ruler but Daemon was right, he is weak and his actions or rather inactions will harm their house. I loved that you acknowledged that a well written and acted show can totally capture you without big action scenes. This episode was a great example for that. Can't wait for the next episode :)

[@jamien368]

the one who read the book knows, the brackens are andals and the blackwoods are first men and both ruled as kings in the age of heros yet the brackens, the hate started when the brackens seeked to take cut down the weirwood trees and by first taking control of the blackwoods household by sending mercenaries to kill the blackwoods.

[@resathe6760]

@@jamien368the Brackens are not Andals. They are descendants from the First Men just like the Blackwoods. They even fought together against the Andals.

[@jamien368]

@@resathe6760 yeah yeah right originally but then they followed the faith of the seven (the andals faith), yes they're Descendants of the First Men and both of them were kings in the riverlands at some point. The Blackwoods potentially came from the North (after being driven out by the Starks). Once the Andals arrived, the Blackwoods remained worshippers of the Old Gods while the Brackens worship the Seven, this is why the brackens tried to cut down the tree.

[@resathe6760]

@@jamien368changing a religion doesn't change your ancestry. And it is certainly not the origin of their animosity. It probably didn't help further down the line but the reasons why they hate each other lie far further back in the past. The Bracken's claim to have been kings but the Blackwoods claim something different so nobody can say for sure what happened which is exactly what I wrote

[@NoaDavi]

Daemon *doesn’t want* the throne, he’s trying to save it from otto and his plots, he doesn’t want hightower blood to rule it, but his reputation just keeps on ruining his plans.. he def knew about the spies so he tried to “corrupt” rhaenyra in plain sight so that the king would have to wed her to him, that way she can keep her title and he can stay at court by her side as a powerful duo.

[@Alejojojo6]

And in Ep 5 onwards is were the GOOD stuff begins haha

[@tamiwatchesstuff]

30:29 About Leanor not wanting Rhaenyra…yeah, um you’re very correct on that account, and it will cause quite the political strife as a result. There is a VERY good reason his parents want their heir married off as soon as humanly possible.

[@lolapozzop4930]

Yup😂😂

[@ElixerAlix]

She said she didn’t do it with DEAMON never said anything about anyone else so her putting it on her mothers memory is not a bad thing bc she in fact did not do it with him

[@StudioGek]

The daemon part is true, but a bit later she swore her virtue as a maiden was unspoiled, which we know it was with sir criston

[@ElixerAlix]

Ooo yea I guess I never paid attention to that then again it has been awhile since i read the books!

[@AstroAvenger]

So glad we got all this setup in season 1, the dance of the dragons in season 2 is gonna be insane.

[@RoryVarina]

Valyrians - a race wiped out by the Doom of Valyria save for the Targaryens, Velaryons, and Celtigars - almost always practice incest; when it comes to the heir especially. It is very common for the eldest daughter to marry the firstborn son, sister-brother marriages, the original Aegon wed both of his sisters (Visenya and Rhaenys, who the Rhaenys in this show's namesake) and practiced polygamy. Additionally, uncle/niece and aunt/nephew marriages are not wholly uncommon in Westeros anyways - same with cousins.

[@LauraGS564]

'You can't take your brother's daughter' Erm, does this guy not know what the Targaryens do?

[@tj778]

The Triarchy is an alliance between 3 of the “free cities” which exist in a different continent to the east. The free cities were built and fell under the command of the Valyrian empire, which the Targaryens were a part of. When Valyria was destroyed those cities became autonomous and now 3 of them want to control the sea lanes between the two continents.

[@anjaplushenka5995]

*Here's hoping by now you're already aware that the Targaryens are incestuous. It's tradition for them to marry, and yes mate, with fellow Targaryens to keep their bloodline pure, so they'd produce more dragonriders.*

[@toniryan7285]

Daemon had to cut his hair because of the previous episodes rampage🤣 his hair would’ve been dyed by the blood

[@KelliFranklin]

When that guy says Ser Criston is better than Daemon.......

[@jamien368]

the sex scene might seem innocent and nice but it is far from it the kingsgaurds aren't allowed to marry or to even have sex or inherit anything, not to mention sleeping with a princess is a treason and punished by castration or exile or a lifetime serviece to the wall. rhaenyra actually seduced criston here, she manipulated him so he won't alert the gaurds when she took his helmet but she wasn't planning on doing it before that, criston was so in love with rhaenyra that made the scene seems normal but he actually misread the whole situation, he didn't realize that rhaenyra was seducing him but thought she's choosing him because in westeros no princess would give her maidenhead that easily so criston also broke his vows for her in exchange, i wouldn't just blame rhaenyra but daemon is the mastermind for putting ideas in her head that she can have anything she wants because she's targaryen and all that, daemon is bad influence on rhaenyra and it is the MAIN reason why rhaenyra lied to alicent and swore on her dead mother, rhaenyra is shifting from innocent to manipulative and game player when she caused viserys to fire otto for her own benefits.

[@silveratlas2706]

Our guys blessed us with another goated reaction so I'm back to drop some knowledge😁👌. This time there is quite a bit to talk about, so prepare yourself😅. 1) First off, around almost a year has passed between episodes 3 and 4. In the first scene Rhaenyra is with Lord Boremund Baratheon in his castle, Storm's End (we saw him at the end of episode 1, pledging fealty to Rhaenyra along with the other great Lords, he's actually cousin with princess Rhaenys from her mother's side, as her mother was a Baratheon). The kid and the guy who end up fighting belong to the houses Blackwood and Braken respectively. They are two rival Riverland houses that have been constantly fighting for so many generations that not even them remember how their beef started, they just let it go on out of traditions at this point. House Blackwoods is very peculiar as it's one of the very few houses outside of the North that still worship the Old Gods. There is way more to them but I'm gonna stop here, just know that Blackwoods are almost always the Goats. 2) Viserys is a savage this episode, but what I want to talk a little about is his mother and father, since he mentions them to Daemon and Otto, I wonder if some are curious about them. Their mother was Alyssa Targaryen, fifth born child of King Jaehaerys and their father was Baelon Targaryen, fourth born child of the king. So yeah, Viserys and Daemon's parents were siblings, gonna get that part out of the way first. Both were dragonriders (Baelon rode Vaghar, while Alyssa rode Meleys). Alyssa always followed Baelon around as a child and acted more like a boy than a girl, mostly avoiding her sisters and preferring to spend time with her older brothers. She wasn't the prettiest Targaryen princess, as she had two different colored eyes (one green, one violet), hair more dirty blond than silver, big ears and a broken nose from a fight she had as a child. But she was strong-willed, quick and spirited and once she married Baelon, the same year she claimed her dragon and flying became her passion. Once Viserys was born, she took him on a ride on Meleys when he was just a few days old, and she did the same with Daemon. She was gonna give them another brother, named Aegon, but unfortunately after his birth she never fully recovered and within a year both her and Aegon were dead. She was only 24, Viserys and Daemon were 7 and 3 years old respectively. Just like Alyssa always followed Baelon, Baelon always followed his older brother Aemond (Rhaenys's father). Together they were the princes and heirs to the kingdom, riders of Vaghar and Caraxes and the future of the Targaryens. Unfortunately, Aemond died on the island of Tarth (for those that know GOT, it's the place Brienne is from). Pirates had conquered half the island and so Aemond went to put an end to it with Caraxes. He was walking with Lord Tarth when suddenly a bolt from a crossbow that was meant from Lord Tarth struck Aemond in the neck instead, killing him. He was 37 at his death. Afterwards Baelon completely eradicated the pirates and on his return to King's Landing he was appointed the new heir by the king. This wasn't uncontested as Rhaenys was supposed to be ahead of her uncle in the line of succession, but Jaehaerys had his mind set with this and didn't listen to his granddaughter or his wife Alysanne who also advocated for Rhaenys. 8 years later Baelon was also appointed Hand of the King, but died soon after from a "burst belly" (I think it stands for Appendicitis, correct me if I'm wrong). He was 44 at his death. The same year of his death, the council of 101 AC was held at Harrenhal to decide who would be the new heir between Rhaenys and Viserys and as we know, Rhaenys's claim got rejected again in favor of a male family member. 3) Some more clarifications on the Triarchy. It was the name of an alliance between 3 of the Free Cities in Essos : Lys, Myr and Tyrosh. The Crabfeeder, Craghas Drahar, was from Myr and he was the prince-admiral of an army of corsairs that was founded by this alliance so it could indirectly attack westerosi shipping lanes, in particular the Stepstones. This would in time greatly weakened trade in Westeros in the Narrow See, which would harm House Velaryon the most. This was because Corlys greatly expanding his house's influence came at the expense of some of the Triarchy's trades. Hope this helped. 4) The baby Alicent was holding was her second child with Viserys, a daughter named Helaena. We stan Helaena in this fandom. Protect! ❤ 5)Time to explain the secret passages. They are not as random as they appear on a first glance. Basically, the royal castle in King's Landing (called the Red Keep) was built during the reign of the Conqueror, but was completed only during king Maegor's reign. Maegor instructed to build an enormous network of secret passages into the castle and afterwards murdered everyone who was involved in the construction so only he would know how to use them. Apparently Daemon knows how to navigate them too as we saw him spying on the Small Council in episode 1 from the passage and in this episode he tells Rhaenyra how to use them to meet with him. No place is truly safe in the capital. 6)As for the spy kids. Masters of whisperers have always used children to gather information in King's Landing. The one in the episode works for Missarya so it's her that let the kid inform Otto. She was on her spy master grind since separating from Daemon after episode 2. 7) The Prophecy Dagger plays a huge role in the story of GOT but in HOTD it's used to give the Targaryens a sense of duty to protect the realm from a future threat. Viserys shows it to Rhaenyra to remind her to take her position more seriously and to mind the knowledge he bestowed upon her as a sign of trust and legitimacy in episode 1. 8)The Moon Tea is a method used to prevent pregnancies in Westeros. It has plenty of side effects that can show up tho, sometimes even permanent issues so it's not safe to give at all, but at the time it's the best thing they had. That's it guys, hope I helped somewhat👍 See you next time👋

[@silveratlas2706]

BTW, forgot to add this, but the guard that stops Rhaenyra when she was running away is Harwin Strong, the son of the master of Laws. We met him in the previous episode (was holding the Deer for Viserys and was the guy who smiled at Rhaenyra when she came back with the boar). He joined the City Watch so he kinda worked for Daemon, which is why Harwin let's them go as soon as he shows up.

[@omarbraddy5052]

3:47

[@cynwashere]

It really bothered me how alicent acted towards this situation since she betrayed rhaenyra in the worst way possible yet is mad because rhaenyra started something with Damon which is of no consequence to alicent like yeah rhaenyra lied but alicent literally seduced her father and didn’t tell her

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

Well its very different she was forced to be with visarys , rhenyrea choose to go out eith daemon knowing hes trouble.

[@cynwashere]

@@thatoneblackdude3333 yeah but alicent could’ve at least been honest rhaenyra would’ve been mad but at least she knew. And even if Damon was trouble that still doesn’t justify why alicent was so mad especially after what she did to rhaenyra

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

@@cynwashere visarys told her not to say anything her hands were tied , it's less anger and more about concern rheanyra being a female hier alone makes her unpopular by default if westsros knew she was sleeping around with her uncle nobody would want her to be queen, alicents reaction makes since rhenyrea made a mistake that will cost her in the future.

[@happilyevernever4289]

​@@thatoneblackdude3333 no before going to Viserys, she could've warned Rhaenyra.

[@tino10101]

​@happilyevernever4289 warn her about what? she wouldnt even understand either. rhaenyra always cared only about herself and still would've been bitter about it whilst alicent couldve been harmed for talking

[@HackWilson14]

Love your reactions to the GOT universe. Keep ‘‘em coming 👏

[@AshHale24]

I'm gonna need GOT reactions after this. ❤

[@SpockNRoll]

I'm torn about the sex scene between Rhaenyra and Ser Criston: on the one hand, I support Rhaenyra taking control of her own sexuality (as Daemon said, marriage because of duty doesn't have to mean that one can't find pleasure elsewhere, and I also appreciate the way it was filmed - GoT for example is infamous for catering to the male gaze, which I personally didn't see here), but on the other hand, she IS very much in a position of control over Criston. He's a Kingsguard and so is supposed to serve the royal family for life, to live in celibacy and not to take any wife or have a family, so how easy is it to say no to one of those very people he's supposed to obey? I DO think that he's definitely attracted to Rhaenyra, but yeah, he was absolutely conflicted over the whole thing. I love watching y'alls reactions and hearing your theories! Its always so fun hearing people's thoughts on the show.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

As far as "male gaze"I mean I'm a male and I didn't see them catter to me in Game of Thrones. I always felt like the sex scenes were "sexless" like it's just exposition, you see a bunch of tits and butts but ultimately there's nothing to be aroused there. The only sexy scene I can remember was Ygritte in the cave with Jon but that's pretty much it.

[@SpockNRoll]

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 I appreciate what you're saying, however I'm not really talking about individual preference when it comes to nudity in media, I'm specifically talking about the male gaze as a rhetorical visual device, ie portraying women as sexual objects catering to a male heterosexual gaze. Game of Thrones was like the originator of the term "sexposition", using sex (and usually naked women) as a backdrop for exposition, without it serving any true value to the scene. The writers just put a lot of tits and butts in scenes because sex sells. And just like you said - these scenes are often not "sexy" at all, just objectifying. That's why I liked Rhaenyra's and Cole's sex scene - the focus is on the intimacy, the conflict and the tension between these characters, not their naked bodies.

[@itsthatgirl98_]

19:07 Yes, Rhaenyra lied to Alicent about Daemon not touching her, but Alicent did much worse, she lied for 6 months that she was having dates with her father without even telling her about it, and it is unknown if in those 6 months they had sex since Otto asked if Alicent was going to see the King at night in episode 2 and Rhaenyra only found out about them when her father announced it at the council that he was going to marry Alicent.

[@user-sj2so2yy2e]

Yeah and she's a child who can't refuse the king and her father ffs. Rhae wasn't in the wrong and neither was Alicent, can't fans blame the men in power instead?

[@itsthatgirl98_]

@@user-sj2so2yy2e Ok but Alicent could have told Rhaenyra that she was interested in her father or that they were going on dates, for 6 months she didn't, on top of that Rhaenyra was her best friend.

[@user-sj2so2yy2e]

@@itsthatgirl98_you keep calling it “dates”…why is that?

[@randomguy2926]

bruh why you guys edging with Naruto

[@migelgekiere8207]

Rhaenyra technically didn't lie to Alicent, Alicent just misinterpreted not having sex with Daemon as not having sex with anyone.

[@maryamgholizad2798]

This could’ve been true had Rhaenerya not said the words “Daemon never touched me” and then proceeded to swear on her mothers memory.

[@leeking6939]

​@@maryamgholizad2798touch in that context means sex not just touch. So technically she is right, daemon didn't have sex with but also kind of a lie because she did swear on her virginity which she did lose that night, just not to daemon

[@mrvgamingwatching9753]

@@maryamgholizad2798To touch in the Middle Ages meant sex, not simply physical touch.

[@mr.d4ve]

Can’t wait for you guys to see the next episode! Love your HOTD reactions

[@Redqueenjj]

His look 11:32 HAHAHAHHAHA

[@achillis9753]

why does the videos end mid discussion?

[@kristymcdowell6185]

Ahhhhhh yes the Aladdin episode minus the incest lol

[@treasurewinbang555]

Love that you guys are seeing the greyness of each character. Everyone has their flaws, who is in the right is not black and white

[@Trepanation21]

The CRAZY part about all this drama is that they didn't have sex! (at least, my interpretation is that they didn't, since we saw the moment when he backed off and she channeled it into Ser Cole instead) -- And while Rhaenyra can't exactly just admit that they fooled around, when she denies that they "coupled", she's telling the truth! And yet it's like everybody's persecuting her for it anyway... And while Daemon also knows they didn't, he talks like they did, because he wants to use it. Literally, the intel that Otto got that said they coupled _was incorrect_ ...But then she *DID* hookup with Ser Cole, which can have far more of a cost to him than her. So in the scenario that Rhaenyra is accused of, there's an implied power imbalance of Daemon sort of leading her along into it, and then she comes back to her room disappointed and technically abuses the power imbalance of her relationship to Ser Cristan Cole to lead _him_ into it, even though he clearly tried not to several times. Bruh.

[@percyweasley9301]

Yes

[@joel0312]

Cole had no choice if he refused the princess, she could hate him for refusing coz refusal is an insult for royals, he is F

[@saintmandy]

I think it's unlikely that Rhaenyra would be mad about it the next day. She understands the concept of duty and he absolutely made a big mistake right there. He could have easily pushed her away, because that would still be protecting her. Even if it came to a trial or something, why would he get punished for keeping his oath? not only that but he had at least 34 minutes to change his mind while taking off that damn armour :D

[@ms_scribbles]

Eh, she's not stupid. She'd have been annoyed with him for, like, a night or two, then let it go.

[@derekwhittom1639]

Dowager Queen.