Game of Thrones Season 8 Is A Trainwreck

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HBO's Game of Thrones came to an end on Sunday with a lackluster finale. Here's why I think season 8 could have been better.
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[@TheTrueRandomGamer]

The Rains of Castamere. Just everything that made the show masterful.

[@G-LukeJA]

I never watched the series. But seeing people rip it apart brings a smile to my face.

[@cvox607]

Watcher on the walls is still my absolute favorite

[@josharntt]

Blackwater, but to be honest I think the books haven't been matched.

[@Lord_Lambert]

There are only a few options for best episode, and all valid options come in the first 4 seasons. For me, I can't decide between Watcher on the Walls and Battle for Blackwater.

[@darthgumby2406]

Game of thrones was a beautiful song that ended with a giant fart.

[@orogu]

LOL

[@rexz3157]

Like DaBabys song Shut Up

[@The_Chosen_Heretic]

A Song of Ass and Fart.

[@stevonico]

Hylian Dragoon Zero greatest comment on KZbin

[@made-line7627]

I hate that word, but I can't deny it's an apt comment.

[@LucianC137]

I am not questioning the writing skills of DnD I am denying its existence.

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

Hilarious!!!

[@lizsmith9873]

That's OK. I understand that there are a few people who are denying the existence of climate change. Their denials and yours doesn't prove anything except they usually have an inflated idea of their level of knowledge.

[@54markl]

You and everyone else in the entire world!

[@lizsmith9873]

@@54markl Can you elaborate?

[@mar10ssj1]

Dumb and Dumber are now attached to run the new Star Wars Trilogy. Now THAT subverted my expectations of having good series.

[@vantastic9367]

The actor that played King Joffrey deserves mad props and respect, he really brought that character to life, he was probably one of the best parts of the show, the dude that everyone loved to hate.

[@SuzD0n]

Jack Gleeson basically gave up his screen acting career once his scenes were finished. Such a waste.

[@rickyrickalvous2982]

@@SuzD0n Yeah, he pulled off Joffrey so well that before his death I had lost all hope for the Starks

[@vantastic9367]

@Chadasaurus Rex Whenever Ramsey was acting extremely polite, something bad was going to happen, weird type of foreshadowing.

[@FruityHachi]

and the actor is actually a nice guy in real life, shows how good of an actor he really is

[@theshockinglyeloquentdog9945]

i aggree but what's that got to do with this video?

[@onebuffalo5402]

ignored the fact the sansa becoming queen of an independent north makes 0 sense. Neither Dorne, nor the iron islands, nor the westerlands woulda pledged their allegiancce to bran when his own sister refused.

[@rubenlopezusa]

Lol, especially when Jon is still the King of the North, elected and supported by the noble Houses. If his kingdom is independent, whichever punishment decided by those morons does not apply to him and there is no way anyone can take that from him.

[@skywalker6648]

@@rubenlopezusa That's why it's all so idiotic. No sensible explanation of anything this season!

[@nvr5490]

That's nepotism there right in front of our eyes and they're selling Bran as some deep political message lol.

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

So true!

[@lizsmith9873]

@@rubenlopezusa Except by Jon himself. It's called abdication and it happens when a ruler wants to do something else besides being a ruler.

[@ryanpollard1166]

HBO actually offered D&D more seasons and episodes, but they turned them down. Let that sink in for the moment.

[@tomjack1000000]

D&D didn't want to write it anymore. I think they got tired of creating GoT after season 6

[@tomasnovicky6886]

I have seen this comment copy pasted on at least 15 videos. Let that sink in for a moment.

[@mirrorzone5224]

I think D&D were self aware that their writing skill couldn't compare to Martin's so they wanted to end the story as quickly as possible before they botched things any worse than they already have.

[@alicedubois1348]

The passion for the show was lost, you can tell. The writers are saying that they loved it until the very end... But that is more than likely just to save face. Think about it. I mean really think about it. Why would such an epic series suddenly lost its heart so fast? It starts from the core. 8 years (only on tv, I am sure of that it took much longer than 8 years to start production and prop building) is a very long time to spend on a project. It is completely normal that passion can be lost, if it is all these writers/directors ever saw for nearly a decade. It is fatigue. What should have probably happened was a change of people. Change the unpassionate people to people who are passionate about the franchise.

[@Jasminedesi16]

@@tomjack1000000 They should have handed it off to Cogman then.

[@marywilkins6244]

Jon snow lines season 8: You’re my queen She’s my queen She’s my queen I don’t want it She’s my queen I don’t want it You will always be my queen The end

[@hondorincon9906]

Mary Wilkins MAH KWEEN I NEVUH WUNTED IT

[@nobleactual7616]

Jon snow is a Ugandan knuckles

[@drumguy1384]

what a tool, amirite? Zero agency for one of the main characters of the whole show. Jon Snow, son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, true King of Westeros and proclaimed the King in the North ... the only one who could ever unite North and South. Hero of so many battles it makes one's head swim. The son of a Targaryen and a Stark ... he is the LITERAL Song of Ice and Fire in the flesh. This guy turns lovestruck punk in the end? They did Jon dirty.

[@jonsnow2689]

Yup that sums it up.

[@gaytreemishra322]

Would love to see him talk to Groot

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

Season 7 Bran: "I can never be Lord of Winterfell. I can never be lord of anything. I’m the Three-Eyed Raven.” Season 8 Bran: "Why do you think I came all this way?"

[@BoundInChains]

I'd have kicked him in the face thru the screen if I could.

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

@@BoundInChains I don't even mind him ending up as king.. just don't write it as if that was his plan all along!! It clearly was not lol

[@BoundInChains]

@@matthewsawczyn6592 well, in their defence it was meant to be humorous .. atleast that particular line was, I think Lol

[@nvr5490]

Jaime episode 2: "I'm not that man anymore." Jaime episode 5: rushes to Cersei, "I never cared for the innocents".

[@MrRazmut]

@@nvr5490 "Tell me, if your precious Renly had ordered you to kill your father and watch him burn thousands of innocent people, women, children. Would you have done it? Would you have kept your oath then?" - One of the biggest character development moments for Jaime, shows that he does care about other people, and is willing to sacrifice for that (in this case his honor) "I never cared much for them, innocent or otherwise" - season 8 Jaime ???? Wada fuck bro this guy aint Jaime

[@lauratirier3821]

The saddest part for me is, I find myself incapable of rewatching the show. I LOVED having GoT-Nights with friends, revisiting the early seasons, just finding comfort in the (in my opinion) greatest show ever made. Season 8 ruined that for me and many friends I've talked to about it. It just feels.. pointless. All the emotional investment in so many storylines was pointless. Hell, many storylines were pointless. Ist feels hollow. GoT became kind of irrelevant and all that because of a forced finale.

[@AngeloBenitto]

Same ,

[@Kujakuseki01]

Oh hon. The show was trash in season 7 also, and started becoming garbage in season 5.

[@lauratirier3821]

@@Kujakuseki01 I know, but I had hopes back then. I thought it would lead somewhere, surely the show runners would end on a spectacular, well thought out grande finale. What a sweet summer child I was.

[@FadzaiSimango]

@@lauratirier3821 Haha. "Sweet summer child" 😂 But yeah, your initial comment summed it up quite nicely. Unlike TV series that are beloved by their fandoms (think _Buffy_ or _Modern Family_ or _Avatar the Last Airbender_ ) there is no rewatch value in GoT because we all know it ends on such a lackluster note.

[@benzemamumba]

The show wanted a good story but needed de bad writing.

[@truthof7382]

There are like 25 biggest mistakes in season 8. If season 1was like season 8, there would be no season 2. Face it, they totally blew it.

[@coquito_godess4627]

when bran warg or went on his trip when the night king was coming....wtf was he doing plus his storyline...biggest mistake he was as useless as a broken condom

[@supremelordoftheuniverse5449]

7 was already like this

[@ShamblesMD]

Yeah. Continuity counts.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 There are too few of us... everyone has jumped on the season 8 hate train, but season 7 was just as bad, and season 6 showed that it was on its way.

[@EroticOnion23]

@@coquito_godess4627 He was visiting pornhub...

[@PaulWon]

Jon: you killed thousands of innocent people Dany: I can only count to 20

[@flyingspaghettimonster8736]

🤣🤣🤣

[@joed8697]

I like that meme too

[@Charok1]

more like a MILLION

[@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIPKIIIIIIIIIIIIII]

That was the biggest example to me of how shit the writing had got... When the best line they could come up was "When you was just a blablabla" to Jon.... "And I was just a little girl who couldn't count to twenty" .... See I can't even remember the full thing because it was that shit. We went from superb dialog between Tywin and Jeofrey etc in Season 4... To this, absolute dumbed down nonesense that felt cringey at times to listen to and like it was lowering our IQ.

[@thetimk4720]

@@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIPKIIIIIIIIIIIIII You do realize the books only went through season 5 of the show. Season 6 forward was by D&D.

[@voteZDLR]

Seasons 1-4 = masterpieces Seasons 5-6 = good, but quality starting to waver in areas. Season 7 = they're not even trying anymore Season 8 = ......................

[@osarsaph]

I don't know why I keep watching videos of game thrones after the disastrous finale. Perhaps, because unconsciously my mind wants to find some consolation about what it could have been...

[@nebucamv5524]

Same with me!

[@nicholaamericanos8656]

I feel the exact same way.

[@Robil63]

Don't do it to yourself! It'll only break your heart again.

[@mar10ssj1]

IT HAD SO MUCH POTENTIAL. THAT IS WHAT SUCKS ABOUT ALL THIS. THIS COULD HAVE GONE AS THE BEST SHOW OF THIS DECADE HAD THEY STICK THE LANDING. All that work, for nothing.

[@marycanary86]

i do it for the companionship. to not be alone with my abysmal frustration and disappointment as i scroll through the comment sections and see people remembering the old times

[@spencermalley10]

Isaac Hempstead-Wright originally thought the episode script he was given for this season was a practical joke. Tell's you a lot doesn't it.

[@Jasminedesi16]

Emilia Clarke said when she got the script she was super shocked and didn't see it coming at all. Not even the actress who plays her had any idea about it, which shows how bad the writing is.

[@MNZGamin]

Meera Khan that’s not necessarily how it works. i’m sure sean bean was shocked when he saw his script and that didn’t mean the writing was bad by any means

[@xtzyshuadog]

Well the show was *SO* PREPARED to ski ball this into the last 2 major battles, rush to the end before they would have to explain details, introduce new characters, and tie up loose ends gradually, and naturally.

[@magnus1parvus]

It is... Just not a very good one...

[@thefilmdirector1]

Sucks George has said for major characters the plot points will be the same in the books, look forward to you losers crying in a few years when those are out :) inb4 "BUT HE MIGHT CHANGE IT NOW" NOPEEEEEE Also said he refuses to change his plans. Lube up losers you guys are about to be taken to town twice.

[@sagebauland4276]

I wish we could just go back to a time when the worst thing fans were mad about was the dorne storyline

[@bhavishnadar]

Talia B and the stannis storyline

[@TheCherryPandy]

And Ed Sheeran

[@Tierchenmeister]

I'll admit I watched all of GoT in one go, within the past week or two. I did not bother joining any internet discussions or the culture surrounding it. I did not notice any of these scandals and bad things that people get upset about. I think everything was rather consistent most of the time. I think many of these scandals are artifically made to be bigger than they actually are. I was not influenced by any other opions when I watched it, and I didn't mind the Dorne story, and I didn't mind the final season or the ending. In fact, I think that D/aene'rys going mad made perfect sense in the end, and there was hints at this all throughout the previous sea'sons. If you ask me, season 1 was the best and season 2 was the worst because it introduced a bunch of new characters but failed to make them interessting (they would only become more interesting in later seasons).

[@Ansonidak]

Dorne story line was pretty fucked up. ditto the Arya in Bravos story line. But that was just more of d&d post season 4 failure.

[@axelwedelin92]

@@Tierchenmeister I noticed something was very wrong during season 7 and was surprised that more people were not feeling the same way as I did online. Then season 8 came and the gates just burst open.

[@woutblux1998]

What also bothered me was that the dragon was totally fine with burning everything during the battle, but in the end respected John's decision.

[@Redrally]

Watch the explanation of the ending by The Take - it's not that the dragon respected it, it's more likely Drogon did not think Jon could have killed her.

[@skywalker6648]

That's what I've been griping on like wait, he knew what the problem was all along? Come on!

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

That was just Jon's plot armor. If the dragon knew that the throne ruined his mother then he would've had enough sense to not burn the civilians. This season was just a Disney ending with a Disney villain in the end it wasn't the old Game of Thrones.

[@sirocco2810]

Mommy no move oh pointy thing in mommy, chair is pointy things me kill chair

[@nahor88]

@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 My logic is that since Jon was a Targaryen, Drogon didn't suspect anything. When he first arrives, Drogon wakes up and gives him a long look before letting him pass. I bet Dany ordered Drogon to kill anyone that tried to approach her unheralded. I agree with your point about burning civilians... I think Drogon was the smartest of the 3. He NEVER mindlessly harmed any living creature. I think he understood all along what was happening around him, and would have refused to kill innocent people.

[@benjamincox4211]

Writing: 2/10 Acting: 9/10 Cinematography: 11/10 Sucks that writing trumps all else

[@goatyboy7556]

Benjamin Cox Spot on. Reminds me of the current Star Wars trilogy

[@ptitecame6688]

Are you thinking about someone in particular for the 9/10?

[@SirBigDaddy69]

@@ptitecame6688 i was thinking more like 6/10 myself

[@ptitecame6688]

@@SirBigDaddy69 8/10 for me. The actors were still great, considering the script they were given. I'm just not a fan of Kit Harrington's acting :/

[@joshknix1866]

Came G to be fair to kit, idk what he can do with that awful script.

[@KingOfMadCows]

Early GoT cared about details, even small ones. They even showed how characters took time for ink to dry before sealing letters.

[@ShamblesMD]

Back when they had competent directors, before these butt fukkers took over.

[@homiefromfl]

@@ShamblesMD the directors were pretty great. The writers were trash.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@ShamblesMD D&D only directed 3 episodes in the whole series...

[@geechyguy3441]

I was pretty fine with Hardhome, but when Jon survived that madness at the battle of the bastards, I knew he was just a stupid hero character that survives off plot armor. The show never had hero characters that survive their stupid actions in the past.

[@gvvnn9306]

Louisa Heard omg same when she did that i cringed so hard i thought i was the only one 😂

[@whitealliance9540]

Dan & Dave: Hello world! This is our production of Star Wars, please like! GoTFandom: The North Remembers...

[@ankrax]

GoT fanbase sends their regards

[@clivetrash9044]

what do we say to D&D. not today.

[@armedraptor5114]

And these are about to take on Knights of the Old Republic... Fucking hell, as if Star Wars wasn't ruined enough...

[@tomasnovicky6886]

Thats just stupid. Why not aproach it with an open mind and judge it for what it will be

[@keepitsteel1993]

@@tomasnovicky6886 haha, that made me laugh, I will be open minded my friend, but you know nothing Tomas Novicky😁

[@MasonOfLife]

This show ended in Season 6 for me, I’ll just pretend it was canceled and that seasons 7 and 8 are just some random fan fiction

[@mustafazubair4389]

same here its ended for me @ season 6

[@raeanna451]

Agreed. I will wait for the book. 7 and 8 aren't even worth being counted.

[@artturonkainen2521]

Fan fiction wouldn’t be this bad

[@Wveth]

The occasional bit of stupidity is fine, but Cersei suffering exactly 0 consequences from blowing up the most holy site of the majority religion of Westeros, murdering a beloved queen and religious leader along with members of her own family and various other houses (most likely) was the first unforgivably ridiculous thing that happened. Especially in a show that was all about politics and consequences. Blowing up the Sept was a beautifully Cersei thing to do, but when I realized the show was presenting no consequences for what was one of the most extreme acts of terrorism in Westerosi history, I was done. That was jumping the shark.

[@Coalemos]

I can't do that. There's no way to pretend for me. Before Season 7 I rewatched Game of Thrones half a dozen times, since Season 7 I rewatched it once and since Season 8 it hasn't even occurred to me to rewatch the series. I have so much contempt for what they did that it's tainted the entire series. Just the thought of starting again leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[@rodzila8314]

The problem with the Arya "Don't follow the path of revenge" is that, by that point every one she wanted to kill is dead, the only one alive is Cerci that has a crazy woman in a dragon chasing her. So it has no weight by that point.

[@lanceturley7745]

Bran: I'm no longer Bran Stark, I'm only the Three-eyed Raven, now. I can never be Lord of Winterfell. also Bran: Sure, I'll be king.

[@lh3664]

Also Bran: You looked so beautiful when your dragon was burning Kings Landing. Oh wait, should I have mentioned that to someone? Nah, then I don't get to be king of the ashes.

[@Tierchenmeister]

What is it with all these copy-paste comments? Makes the whole outrage seem rather fabricated, like a mob of sheep following a bunch of enthusiastic spammers.

[@brandonreed09]

@@lh3664 actually that was all part of the plan to make everything wheelchair accessible. Tear it down to rebuild it 😉

[@Darkdaej]

Well, to be fair, I don't think Bran will do much Lording and Ruling... He's King, but he'll mostly just rubber-stamp what Tyrion proposes because he couldn't care less.

[@brandonreed09]

@@Darkdaej or maybe that's just what he wants you to think 😉

[@laurocoman]

The spiral symbol represents the toilet where they found the script.

[@AscendantStoic]

Watch the "GoT s8 ep6 WTF version" video here on KZbin, they made a nice joke about the white walkers symbol 😏

[@girl600podcast]

It’s us leaving and coming back for the prequels 🌀

[@purplerose7318]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@miked6367]

Hahahah nice one

[@laurocoman]

@@miked6367 I kinda stole it but thank you LOL.

[@AxelQC]

Martin likes to criticize Tolkien, the Father of Modern Fantasy, but Tolkien finished his series.

[@save_bandit]

AxelQC what does one have to do with the other? i mean, this whole video is a guy who’s never written a show criticizing the writing of a show. you’re criticizing martin but I don’t think you’ve ever written or finish a series either. criticism doesn’t rely and it isn’t based on the critic’s personal achievements.

[@Spooky799kil]

He never finished the prequel

[@TheAkwarium]

Martin seems to have little interest in the main story anymore and why should he anyway? he's made enough money off of the show already, he doesn't have to care anymore

[@kikima258]

He wanted to subvert fantasy as we know it but if he nevers finishes the story he will never succeed to accomplish that.just imagine if lotr never had a conclusion would tolkein be remembered as the father of fantasy would his story be great and loved by many? I don't think so

[@rachelclark6393]

If i had been drinking i would've done a spittake.

[@AngelTheButlerOfTime]

My favorite episode of GOT ever was the trial of Tyrion Lannister. So seeing season 8 and how terrible they wrote Tyrion Lannister really killed me.

[@nvr5490]

So what was up with that trial since Cersei doesn't really want to kill Tyrion?

[@54markl]

Tyrion lost about 50 I.Q. Points after Benioff and Weiss started writing the dialogue. Actually they all did.

[@mar10ssj1]

To write a clever and witty character you have to be pretty clever and witty yourself. Dumb and Dumber are clearly not clever or witty. NOT EVEN CLOSE. It was all Martin. Tyrion was Martin.

[@nahor88]

@@54markl His shining moment was his final speech at the trial. He left his character behind at King's Landing an became a doofus.

[@lastmistakeyoullmake]

“And what do we say to good writing?” D and D: “Not today”

[@likemostthings]

hahaha!!

[@AngryRamboShow]

lol

[@mainro1371]

Best comment Hands down

[@beckymcdonald9529]

@@mainro1371 I concur!

[@mar10ssj1]

Dumb and Dumber writing is dark and full of plotholes.

[@prince_cyprus]

Jon Snow: any last words? Dany: BEST SEASON EVA!

[@Axess-sv8nq]

I DON'T WANT IT.

[@ThatsMrPencilneck2U]

Can't say the woman doesn't know how to use sarcasm.

[@Dartanius100]

SHE IS MA QWEEN

[@Miuranger1]

MY QUEEN

[@obsessivefangirl5055]

@Muriel Lucas 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@velveetaslingshot]

FANS: "It was an illogical, rushed, lazy, poorly written, ending that was not on par with the quality of the previous seasons." DEFENDERS: "You're nitpicking." FANS: "........."

[@FruityHachi]

more like DEFENDERS: "just because you didn't get what you wanted doesn't mean it's bad. you're just jumping on the hate bandwagon"

[@someperson1829]

@@FruityHachi "Just because you didn't get what you wanted doesn't mean it's bad" is the lamest and dumbest excuse "defenders" like to produce. Stories builds up for a reason, people expect something for a reason, if something happened that this massivily huge fanbase didn't expected then it's a sing that it was out of logic, out of reason. People like these "defenders" are perfect customers, they will eat whatever bs you sell them and they will scream "yammy yammy!" demanding more.

[@FruityHachi]

@@someperson1829 exactly. in harry potter films, everybody expected that harry will fight and kill voldemort. imagine that the screenwriters would have subverted expectations and they would made neville kill voldemort and harry would be completely unimportant in deathly hallows, they would made everybody forget who harry is. that's just a fraction of how stupid GOT's final season is

[@jorgeq]

soooo you saying defenders are not fans??

[@mrfizz55]

You forgot "If YoU ThOuGhT tHiS ShOw WaS GoInG tO hAvE a HaPpY EnDiNg YoU hAvEnT bEeN pAyInG AtTeNtIoN."

[@donmon808]

Season 7 was just as bad. People were just in denial

[@sablestar5312]

Yeah, the writing (especially the dialogue) was absolutely fucking terrible and made no sense. I think most fans with no experience of screenwriting could have actually done better.

[@CitizenKen1]

The only good scene from season 7 was conversations they had when walking up north beyond the wall. Right before they run into that zombie bear lol. But really the dialogue is great there especially when Beric says to John, “Death is the first enemy, and the last.” To which John remarks, “but we all die...” Beric, “The enemy always wins, but we still need to fight him” I am not convinced D&D came up with this themselves but it gold! :)

[@rpgnut5897]

Season 7 wasn't anywhere near as good as 6 or 5 but it was still a hell of a lot better then season 8.

[@zakariahborenyi5717]

Season 7 gave us some satisfying moments tbh like Cersei blowing up the sept, Jamie almost killing Dani, Olen revealing she murdered Joffrey etc

[@rahulmenon9530]

@@zakariahborenyi5717 Cersie blowing up the sept was season 6. Season 7's plot is badly structured but it still had good dialogue and some memorable moments and great character interactions

[@mattchew6426]

I never understood why the Three-Eyed Raven would need a "Master Of Whisperers" on his small council, too... #BadWriting

[@mohammedhussain6749]

Matt Chew the blood raven the three eye raven before bran was the original master of whisperers

[@UbinTimor]

@@corylong5808 seeing glimpse of the future doesn't matter. Bran can't see into the future, he can see into the past and present but not future- at least the show never sets up that he can see into the future. a master of whisperers is pointless for someone like Bran who can see everything that transpires by using the Wirwood network or warging into various birds and animals to eavesdrop on any potential enemies. if you can literally be anywhere and see anywhere at any given time why would you need someone to spy for you? I think the line was just supposed to be a joke between Bran and the small council, I mean Bran isn't gonna be doing anything anyway considering Tyrion has to do all the work to keep the kingdom together as punishment for....? refusing to serve Danny after she committed mass genocide? I mean it's kind of left ambiguous as to why he is being punished to begin with considering he had no part in Danny's plan to destroy kings landing and was in fact the only one pushing the importance on not killing anyone who surrendered, if anyone should be punished it should be the unsullied, Dothraki, and Northmen would killed and raped innocent people while Danny attacked. If anything Sansa should be in hot water considering she proclaimed herself Queen of the North and is thus responsible for their actions since John isn't Warden anymore, but nothing comes of it for some reason, why did Sansa not get punished?? everyone but Bran, Sam, Arya and Tyrion don't know the truth about who John is so they would still see him as a Stark which means a Stark killed their queen and they're just ok with it as long as John is sent to the wall.... that makes no sense especially when Grey Worm knew Sansa was against Danny from the beginning.

[@Bayuuk]

Matt Chew i actually tweeted this out as I was thinking it. Glad I’m not the only person who noticed the plot hole.

[@Arkayjiya]

​@@UbinTimor "I mean it's kind of left ambiguous as to why he is being punished to begin with considering he had no part in Danny's plan to destroy kings landing and was in fact the only one pushing the importance on not killing anyone who surrendered" Dany's plan is still considering the plan of the rightful ruler so he's a traitor. Plus they had to appease the unsullied and Dothraki, and apparently they're all so stupid that they buy "we're gonna punish him by making him Hand of the King for life" as a punishment. Grey Worm also bought "send Jon to take the black, again" which is weird because an episode earlier, the Unsullied were all too happy to murder every innocent in sight for Misandei's murder but when Daenerys is killed he just calmly takes Jon, the person actually responsible for the murder, in custody.

[@dresden6310]

EXACTLY! LOL There are so many to name, but one of my favorite head scratchers. Greyworm " you are a prisoner, you do not get to speak"...then lets Tyrion speak and make all kinds of suggestions on how it should go down...

[@Ken19700]

Hodor is the only King's guard to successfully protect his king.

[@summertyme5748]

Lol. As if he had a choice.

[@sebastianquinchia1840]

Jojen, Summer and Meera as well, Meera was the only one to survive

[@Ken19700]

Zombie Mountain abandoned his queen when she needed him most.

[@RBZ-1]

@Giant sack of hot garbage hence, not best ever.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

Meh not even. He still died, the wights still caught up to them... then Coldhands showed up a few seasons too late.

[@systmerr9445]

"Then there's Tyrion. His story actually is tragic because he apparently hit his head really hard in the box on his way out of King's Landing, and never fully recovered." I'm splitting my sides laughing, it's so accurate to how unintelligently Tyrion has behaved since season 5.

[@David-mg1yj]

The episode prior to the Battle of Winterfell, where Brienne was knighted by Jaime, was probably the only really good episode in series 8. Sadly.

[@robbybobby4373]

Agreed. I think that was the only great moment in season 8 imo. Everything else was just very disappointing.

[@kt1pl2]

As a hardcore shipper of Brienne/ Jaime I completely agree. I wish they'd never given the fan service of them actually getting together considering what happened next with that relationship.

[@SolarMechanic]

Remember how Littlefinger was the most intricately scheming man in Westeros? He was literally the architect of basically the past 20 odd years of events in the political world of the show. Then he's killed because Bran the psychic shows up and tells everyone what he's been up to. I remember enjoying that scene on a visceral level just because he was finally killed, but yeah... he was deus exed after 7 seasons. The writing really was on the wall.

[@TheGunther2112]

I think Sansa and Arya had every intention of killing him. As far as Bran goes, first Littlefinger says, "None of you saw what happened". Then, Bran chimes in that hew knows Littlefinger held a knife to Ned's throat. This dumbfounds Littlefinger into wondering how bran knew this. From then on he begins to plead for his life.

[@etherspin]

it was at least gratifying to see Littlefingers scheming prowess up against Brans visions - if they showed Brans visions outside of him inexplicably being briefly in Raven mode VS the NK the last season and finale twists wouldnt feel empty. it feels like the showrunners thought not showing Brans power much or showing us his speeches to certain characters would make the ending really sophisticated or seem clever? its really awful though because it feels like it was never earned

[@red_calla_lily]

The writers wanted to push him in the direction that he was blinded by "love" in season 7, that this was his downfall. This could've made him a tragic character, his love for Catelyn/Sansa was his redeeming quality after all. They meddled two drives, one being ambition and the other love for Sansa, when they should have chosen one: - Ambitious LF would have left Winterfell the minute Bran arrived/his manipulation failed. There was no benefit of staying around except for orbiting Sansa, who this LF sees as a puppet to use and dispose of. - "In love" LF would've rebuild Sansa's trust instead of manipulating her. Remember, this LF wants her on the throne next to him, so he plays the long game and has to maintain a good relationship with her. This is more of the character GRRM had envisioned when writing LF; someone who knows how to read the room and seems non-threatening.

[@preddyshite6342]

I always felt like Littlefinger was so in love with Catelyn Stark that he'd treat her daughters like his own. Sure, marry one if he could, but trying to manipulate them, ignoring that they're just as intelligent as their mother was, seemed like a convenient way to get a major character out of the way.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

And when Bran tells Littlefinger that "Chaos is a ladder" Littlefinger should have known immediately that his scheming was over and it was time for him to leave. Also, that meeting that Littlefinger had with Sansa and Brienne earlier? Sansa should have never let him leave that meeting alive, after what Ramsay did to her. Littlefinger knew exactly what kind of a monster Ramsay was.

[@SnakeWasRight]

Tyrion had ONE offscreen conversation with Brann. This is the level of setup in this season.

[@Endlessvoidsutidos]

that was when he hypnotized him into thinking he would be a good king XD

[@velveetaslingshot]

Oh yeah! I forgot about that conversation. Thats how pointless it was...

[@missmerbella]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

@@Endlessvoidsutidos I mean he can possess people.

[@Endlessvoidsutidos]

@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 so your sayn there's a chance 😄

[@Becvar80]

The Three-eyed Raven DID say, on multiple occasions, state that he's not Bran Stark, anymore. And they STILL put him on the throne. You're right, they have NO idea his motivations. Thankfully, they're only producing, not writing, the next Star Wars trilogy.

[@jonathancooper4914]

Matt Harrell I thought their involvement in Star Wars fell through?

[@Fledhyris]

"They have NO idea his motivations" - and whose fault would that be, exactly..?

[@slyskyspysty]

"It's obvious that the show doesn't care." Yes. Sad.

[@sallymoodley7540]

The finale had 17 minutes of speaking time and 57 minutes of everything else. This is more than substantial evidence indicative of lazy, sloppy, non sensical writing.

[@jorgegarciapascual5709]

Good writing doesn't mean a lot of dialogue. Mad Max: Fury Road has very little speaking time, and is a very well written movie. I would say the finale would've had better writing without those 17 minutes of dialogue, by the way, just removing the entire embarrassment of the Dragon pit council scene.

[@mattyjay1711]

@@jorgegarciapascual5709 except this isn't mad Max. What made this show great was the dialogue. Mad Max was an action film, the action drives the film.

[@sallymoodley7540]

@@jorgegarciapascual5709 My comment is specifically directed to GOT not Mad Max. My point being, the finale should be have been rich with "MEANINGFUL " dialogue, addressing many unanswered pieces to make the storyline sensical. At minimum D & D could have used the time for the finale in a much more meaningful way.

[@sallymoodley7540]

@@mattyjay1711 You make absolute sense and have phrased your comment perfectly.

[@jorgegarciapascual5709]

@@sallymoodley7540 Yes, I understand. I wasn't defending the writing of this season of GOT in any way, and I know GOT was at its best in the past when people were just speaking to eachother. I just thought your comment was a missunderstanding of the real issue, which is that D & D lost track of their character traits and motivations, changing the show from a character driven narrative to a poorly paced plot driven story. I would be okay with no dialogue if the actions in the screen were character driven.

[@henrythegod6756]

Writing: poo poo Everything else: pretty damn beautiful. Much respect to cast, crew, production, etc.

[@chinigirlX3]

HenryTheGod for some reason ur comment just made me smile :) I don’t know, the way u phrased it, I just find it adorable! thank you! :)

[@Lonsoleil]

Poo poo? I'd say the writing was just plain *shit* . XD

[@skywalker6648]

Most of visuals were but then, there was the poor lighting for an epic battle scene along with starbucks coffee cups and bottles laying around. So I wouldn't give them that much credit.

[@henrythegod6756]

Sky Walker Although I would agree with the 3rd episode being too dark, that was a choice they made, not an accident. Even though I think the decision they made was a little overkill. As far as the cups and bottles, that is so insignificant and is just a slight oversight, and to say that those small mistakes in the bottles and Starbucks take anything away from the actual production would be false. There are errors in continuity all the time in film and tv, much like the coffee, it's easily forgettable and maybe worth a quick laugh at most.

[@skywalker6648]

@@henrythegod6756 Apparently it wasn't a choice. In fact, the cinematographer actually said it was the fault of everybody's tv set up and network?? Instead of admitting it was a big technical error on their part. Then, the Art Director also said "They were too tired to remove the starbucks coffee cup (and bottles)from the scene". Yet they have now removed it. Those don't sound like credible excuses to me. It sounds more like laziness and level of carelessness which pretty much summarizes what happened to this whole last season with it's horrible writing and sloppy work on what was a great show.

[@rollercoaster478]

HBO should have put their foot down and either a) force D&D to write more episodes and seasons (probably wouldnt work because of D&D Star Wars project) or b) fire them and hire someone who cares about GoT (definitely the better option). D&D dont own GoT, HBO does, so they should have made the decision on how many episodes/seasons are needed to finish GoT well. You cant even call Seasons 7 and 8 as full seasons, when put together they're 13 episodes.

[@Reyes911]

rollercoaster478 HBO couldn’t do anything they had given Dumb and Dumber all the power through the contract they had so they had their hands tied, HBO even wanted 10 episodes for each season but D&D refused, GRRM said the show should’ve been 13 seasons at least. But i guess that Star Wars money was worth ruining the best series of all time.

[@rollercoaster478]

@@Reyes911 you mean to say that HBO gave away the whole Game of Thrones to D&D before the Pilot episode or what? If thats so, that is stupid as fuck from HBO and they brought it on themselves. There is no way you trust someone with your property for 10 years and dont put in an option to take your property back.

[@thecritic3959]

D & D betraying GoT for Star Wars disgusts me, I loved Star Wars as a kid but now they’re making me hate it.

[@tthreat23]

@@rollercoaster478 I don't understand why people think HBO had any rights to the show. D&D pitched the idea to them after agreeing with Martin that they would the only ones running the show. Martin should have seen the writing on the walls after season 7 and demanded they make a better script for season 8. But Martin doesn't give a fuck that they ruined his story. He got paid.

[@rollercoaster478]

@@tthreat23 because GoT is shown on Game of Thrones. I thought GoT owned the rights to make GoT. And by the looks of it, they are gonna make prequels as well, so it makes sense, imo.

[@cadenbittle]

Will you write a good season? D&D: “No, I don’t think I will”

[@saivamshi7740]

😂😂😂

[@zayng.7553]

For 7 seasons : Winter is Coming... Within 1 hour : Oh

[@bouncyshak]

And I oop.

[@michaeldaley4777]

Maybe they always said winter is coming because if they didn't remind people, the people would miss it and forget about it.

[@ShamblesMD]

Made Old Nan look like a jackass.

[@mat5473]

It actually showed it start to snow in King's Landing at the end of Season 7. Yet in Season 8 King's Landing looked like a summery dessert again. They kinda forgot "winter is coming" means for the whole of Westeros! Not just the north. It's always winter in the north! What's the point of that??

[@macleunin]

The Long Night was more like an Unpleasant evening

[@jorgel.quiroz8862]

When Season 8's writing is so awful even Cap. Midnight has to step-up.

[@laurocoman]

This season was quite spectacular. Like a trash truck on fire crashing, it was impossible to look away.

[@concept5631]

@@laurocoman You had me in the first part not gonna lie.

[@laurocoman]

@@concept5631 LOL. Glad someone fell for it! Have a good one, lad.

[@concept5631]

@@laurocoman You do the same.

[@ascend3654]

The season was great. Unfortunately most fans are stupid.

[@macross25]

I wanted to see Tyrion at the end with his Vineyard making "Imp's Delight".

[@HeiTheDarkReaper]

I just like to pretend that john died when the watch stabbed him and the rest of the show was all a dream he had leading up to his death lmaoo

[@squirrelsyrup1921]

It's Tywyn hallucinating because of the morphine they gave him in A+E after Tyrion shot him.

[@baddragonite]

No no bran being king was totally foreshadowed. See the dragon turned the iron throne into a giant iron wheelchair ramp. YOU JUST DONT GET IT MAN

[@KneelB4Bacon]

Maybe Drogon just really hates chairs.

[@brandonreed09]

Yep, they clearly burned up Kingslanding to make it wheelchair accessible 😉

[@kayzar293]

Yeah...u woz totally not paying attention and shit

[@PestoPathogen69]

You stole this joke from H3H3 ...

[@telegoose9905]

😂

[@JohnBainbridge0]

Danny: "Must kill Cersei!" City: "We Surrender!" Danny: "Forget Cersei. Burn them all, why not?"

[@TheNinetySecond]

@Robert Puffer We know what the showrunners wanted us to think. It's just that what she did was damn near the dumbest course of action she could've taken to reach her goals. It's like the long night: we know the showrunners _wanted_ us to think they were fighting against terrible odds, but the took the dumbest possible course of action - more death fake outs than you can count, useless crypt wights, absolutely horrendous strategy - to get there, and it really undercut the very real threat the heroes were facing. With Dany, what she did was more of a threat to her rule than Jon Ahdunnwanett Snow could ever be. She botched her one chance of a relatively bloodless coup, and decided on a political maneuver that simply doesn't add up. When the characters' (and by extension, the writers') stupidity is more of a threat than any external force, the external force falls flat. The Night King and the White Walkers fell flat (to a certain degree), because the army of the living fucked up at almost every single step, and Dany's war and political struggle fell flat, because she ended up doing more harm to her cause than literally anyone else. Point being: really dumb shit is really dumb shit, even if there's a really dumb shit explanation for the really dumb shit.

[@Dirknesss]

@@TheNinetySecond The coin fell on the wrong side, she's crazy.

[@RBZ-1]

@@TheNinetySecond well said. the multiple fake deaths were annoying asf... and " Ahdunnwanett " 🤣

[@DeepfriedNutz]

@Robert Puffer You can't justify bullshit.

[@brandonreed09]

@Robert Puffer ashes don't fear anyone. You need to leave people alive if you want to rule by fear.

[@shujin12345678]

It was like watching the series finale to a sitcom like Family Ties .. Sansa got the promotion she always wanted; Jon left home to start his own life and Arya left to go to college. The we get to see the remaining cast sitting around the dinner table knowingly look at one another, then start to crack jokes to ease the mood while the camera pans out for a final good bye .. So much Sclock

[@vondonstrut218]

lol Hodor was like ALL G.R.R Martin. That's why that plotline was next level weird, creatively brilliant.

[@zayng.7553]

Another thing that pisses me of is how really interesting plot points and questions are brought up and then completely dismissed. Sansa posed a genuinely interesting question about feeding the armies and Dany was like "Eh." It happens continuously throughout season 8

[@Ziaonfilmandtv]

Howard Potts because Sansa wasn’t bringing it up as a legitimate question, but to further undermine and antagonize dany. We see her schemes culminate in betraying Jon.

[@filth_nasty]

She is also one of the only characters in the last episode to not be lobotomized like hey maybe Bran ain't the best choice and I'm free so fuck you Bran.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Seeing as she got a fucking raven in s7 that explained exactly how many were coming, it was either the writers forgot, or she's a thot

[@zayng.7553]

@@Ziaonfilmandtv It's not just that though, at the end of episode 2 jon tells Dany who he is and the scene just ends, almost as if the writers didn't want to deal with it. Or how sam suggests Democracy and he's just laughed of, that could've been an interesting plot point. Or how Dany and. Sansa were having an intense conversation and some dude just walks in cutting them of, it was really annoying.

[@Thewhitequeen0]

It really wasn't an interesting question, it was a pointless one. They're already in a scenario where they could all potentially die in a battle with the odds supposedly stacked against them...going hungry for a day or two is the least of their problems (it's also undermined by the fact that they had a celebratory feast right after they survived.) It was one of those scenes where they once again try to make Sansa seem smart but failed miserably.

[@Jetstreamsamdidnothingwrong]

Our disappointment is immeasurable

[@arawn1061]

And our day is ruined

[@toxicavocado4882]

The real senate and our year is ruined.

[@Ansonidak]

I'm just glad it's over.

[@marshabass9661]

The 1st half was so dark,and intense then it was all about tying up endings ,and some humor it just didn't feel right.Notice Jon didnt say he forgave Sansa when she asked him if he would.

[@drumguy1384]

Other commentaries have said the same. GoT really needed 4 full seasons to flesh out what they crammed into the final two abbreviated seasons. Martin was right, 10 seasons would have been about right. I think HBO would have given it to them too, if they had asked. I think without the source to draw on anymore they just sat down and said, "How can we get to the end GRRM laid out?" and went with the most efficient route, story and character development be damned. Another review put it this way. Martin is a gardener. He plants character seeds and sees where they go. Great for color and texture, not great for efficiency in storytelling. D&D are plot driven. They know the desired end before they set off. Great for continuity and efficiency, not so great for character development. This is why they were great at adapting the books but terrible at doing it on their own. Martin created the texture, they molded it. When left with no texture to mold, a plot-driven writer find the most efficient way to get from A to B. Bottom line. D&D are great screenwriters, crap storytellers. Martin is a great storyteller, (would be a) crap screenwriter. The two elements need each other to craft a compelling show. Once one was gone the other floundered and failed.

[@krisaaron5771]

D&D as good screenwriters? I never saw any evidence of that. They seemed like whizbang Wonder Boys adept at selling themselves to get big-bucks financing. But when GRRM's books ran out and our two whizbangs had to actually take over and CREATE a story (beginning with Season Five) they were left standing around with their willies in their hands, as grandpa used to say.

[@SRosenberg203]

HBO DID offer it to them. HBO offered them 10 seasons, it offered them 8 full-length seasons instead of 6 full-length and 2 abbreviated. These assholes were just bored and wanted to leave, and didn't care how bad they made the show as long as that would end it faster.

[@brutechieftain9321]

The part that really kills me is that HBO was literally ready and willing to give D&D a blank check and greenlight additional seasons of they needed. They really responded with "Nah, son, we good."

[@lifeishooey]

In a nutshell, it was seven seasons of a build up with no pay off in the series finale.

[@zetetick395]

Loll yeah, just like *Lost* :S

[@krollscott34]

Sure there was. It just wasn't what you wanted.

[@mikeyteee95]

@@krollscott34 it's not the final outcome that's bad, the fans aren't angry because they wanted Dany or Jon on the throne, it's the way it happened. Jon's ending made zero sense in any way

[@krollscott34]

@@mikeyteee95 Jon's ending made perfect sense and you should have seen it coming. Could they have used more time to explain it? Sure, but the reality is sometimes people have contracts and budgets and we don't get things the way we want. I was hoping for a twist with the white walkers but that didn't happen. I'm ok with it. They did leave a few things open at the end like Drogon heading east with Dany.

[@pamelaisley1820]

All foreplay with no nut :/

[@ertjiesb4158]

Bran...'I can never be lord of anything' .... I will just be king.. Yes, that makes sense.

[@Orius25]

The reason for the "efficiency" was that D&D got to do the next Star Wars installments. They tossed GoT for something way more prestigious for them. It was really sad. They were offered 10 episodes for S8 and they said no.

[@mala6238]

Star Wars: "You fired!"

[@repinrs]

When he says Dany dies he doesn't "feel" anything. I felt something.. pissed off lol. I get it that her turning into the mad queen. With the way they did it they might as well just not have killed her off it doesn't make any sense.

[@bohneneintopf]

I demand to know Aragon‘s tax policy

[@Zedul]

It's in the appendixes. Aragon levied heavy taxes the first 50 years of his reign to pay for a massive reconstruction campaign. He restored dozens of cities. He reunited the Kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor, and became the first High King of the reunited kingdom. He made Pippin the defacto ruler of the North Kingdom, and a lot of northern men resented the power he gave to the Thain of the Shire, as there was quite a bit of racism against halflings. He had to ride north in a show of force to put his point across. He was the first king in over a thousand years to create embassies with all the houses of the Dwarves, and with the remaining Elves and sought to quell racial strife between them... he was a tireless diplomat in that regard. He expanded his borders to take back territory Gondor lost in the past, and fought several more wars with Harad and Umbar to settle matters in the south and east. He even passed land grant policies to instigate people from Rhûn and Umbar to settle in Mordor. He made a new surname, Telcontar, and he had a son and 3 daughters with Arwen. He died 120 years later, and his wife, an immortal elf, basically starved herself to death wandering the empty forests of Lorien, her grandmother's old Kingdom (Galadriel was her grandma). She cast herself down on a green hill and never got up. Because she was an elf, she doesn't get to go to the human afterlife, and her death was very very bitter as a result. Now, that is a proper bittersweet ending...

[@Zedul]

@@paulastiles8873 No doubt... One Tolkien hero knocked up his sister and they both committed suicide Romeo and Juliet style...

[@claudiaferrero3010]

Paula Stiles Exactly.

[@middle_pickup]

Season 8 broke my heart.

[@o0Avalon0o]

Same. I don't know about you, but I'm not going to stop protesting because they're just going to do it again to unsuspecting Star Wars fans. (They shortened this season to move on to a Star Wars contract.)

[@middle_pickup]

@@o0Avalon0o didn't hear about that. The protesting is no use IMO. The damage is done. The writers will have to live with their failures. The fans know who let them down. D&D marred their careers with season 8.

[@middle_pickup]

@Robert Puffer eh, Loat has a cohesive ending. This does not. You might not like it's ending, but Lost told the story it was aiming for. GoT was a disgrace.

[@Didi_Meow_AND_theMEWS]

i am surprised one of D&D's cousin hasn't entered this thread yet telling you to "get over it" This season broke my heart as well and it did not need to be the case No matter the ending some would not be happy but how little was put into the writing compared to the cast and crew's devotion is an embarrassment..

[@supremelordoftheuniverse5449]

Not that 7 was any better

[@deaconfrost9]

So many years of so much work ended on such a careless way. To D&D I say this. SHAME🔔🔔🔔SHAME🔔🔔🔔SHAME🔔🔔🔔

[@nahor88]

Who will we elect to be the High Sparrow to make D&D walk through the streets so the fans can mock and throw things at them?

[@Lonewolf-hn3fi]

@@nahor88 i think we rather make d&d high sparrow and blow them up like cersie

[@TheFourthWinchester]

Need to undress them and make them walk on the streets for everyone to throw stones and poop on them.

[@UnLockedProductions]

Dude I agree with LITERALLY every single point you make. I've been saying the same exact things to everyone the past couple weeks. Spot on.

[@GodotOfficial]

D&D forgot to explain that Drogon flew away because he needed to find Robert Baratheon’s breastplate stretcher

[@pekkalaitinen8769]

lmao

[@DepressedHandsomeSpaceCop]

It's full circle. This is a deeply underappreciated comment

[@supremelordoftheuniverse5449]

My biggest problem with the show started somewhere around season 6, when the once big and complex world of Westeros was suddenly reduced to only two parties, grouping all characters and interests around either one of them

[@MiotaLee]

DnD kind of forgot about... well... everything.

[@snowfirel7108]

Dany was sure out of her character, they made her into an evil person, shame on them, Season 8 was a mess!

[@bingobongo1615]

Snowfirel I wouldn’t even mind it if there was a good reason for this. Here it’s rushed, nonsensical and just totally stupid. I mean even if she went made why kill the people first and the red keep last?

[@kylekastilahn]

lol except they showed her like every season also being an evil person. For every good thing, they had her doing an equally questionable or bad thing which tied into the hole two coins theme. People only seem to care to remember the good parts....

[@TheFourthWinchester]

@@kylekastilahn All her bad deeds had a reason. She was never evil just for the sake of being evil. The final turn was nonsense.

[@connorgolden4]

@@kylekastilahn But she wasn’t being evil, she was very put in rough situations and made tough choices. Choices that weren’t always morally right. But not because she was evil for evils sake. There were reasons why she did things. In season her “descent” into madness was so forced.

[@asarishepard8171]

that episode read as "i will liberate the city." (hears bells) IM TRIGGERED MUST KILL.

[@Alassandros]

Arya took the time to cut up an entire family and bake them into dessert. That shit is bonkers. No one says Arya is evil or mad. Why? Because her kills were justified? Weren't Dany's?🤷‍♂️ I'm glad you said something about it.

[@whitealliance9540]

Great point

[@jungoo3486]

Exactly the people of KL were up to no good

[@Sanxioned1]

Except Arya's journey into becoming a cold hearted efficient killer was very carefully executed and shown. Consider how often the cameras focussed on her face after she either witnesses a death or kills someone herself. Even from neds death onward her expressions every season toward death change from shock into a general "meh". So her slaughter of the Frey's isn't shocking. People aren't mad that Dany went mad queen; the issue is that they reaaaaallly did not push that point beyond a few instances of her being cruel to cruel people. If they spent all of season 6 and 7 showing Dany becoming ruthless and murderous, and careless of collateral damage, then this would be fine.

[@Thewhitequeen0]

People have been on their high horse when it comes to Dany for years now; they all seem to forget that this is a show where torture, murder, and rape are extremely common, accepted, and even committed by basically everyone (and god forbid you read the books; people are getting raped or killed every other chapter.) GRRM has made the point that almost none of these people are purely good or bad, and that includes Daenerys.

[@dantea.2537]

The hound told her "Do you want to be like me?" I think Arya redeemed herself, going exploring instead of killing

[@sangmoon2464]

It was obvious that they just wanted to put GoT behind them as fast as possible. They lost the motivation to pay attention to the details.

[@aquicklad972]

How can people like that be trusted to work on anything if they're unwilling to commit to it? The actors all signed 10 year contracts for the show, and was easily one of the #1 most profitable shows ever. Now they have a contract for star wars, as if that franchise is doing any better...

[@mercurialsilver5688]

Thor Odinson Maybe that is the draw? With SW you can slap anything together and be paid ludicrous amounts of money.

[@nvr5490]

How is that an excuse? They could have hired other writers that were motivated.

[@aquicklad972]

@@mercurialsilver5688 Unfortunately they've already ruined the show. Let's just hope they're not dumb enough to let them keep the contract for Star Wars (though i'm not a fan of that franchise and it's already been sinking for the last few years)

[@modude_-6763]

“After dany gives her big Saruman speech that they cheer on” Too funny🤣

[@christophermonceux6578]

I literally have never seen the end to the last episode. Once I realized that Bran being King wasn't a joke I turned off the tv and stared at the blank screen for like 15 minutes. I can't even enjoy the early seasons anymore.

[@mome5493]

The ending really just made me sad and angry, not satisfied at all.

[@WobblesandBean]

Same. All I can say is that...it's an ending.

[@brandonlyon730]

I had the same feeling with Mass effects 3s ending.

[@spiderjeranimo4992]

We did'nt want or expect a happy ending, what we wanted was a satisfying ending and in that regard, they failed.

[@apullcan]

I expected to feel angry about the finale but I just felt... nothing.

[@truepotential206]

Now we can collaborate with fans of Star wars who ll be let down. Throws milkshake at D&D *For the watch*

[@cvox607]

Season 8 mood : "Look how they massacred my boy....and my girl...and my boy...and my girl ...shit.."

[@terrialdrich9477]

I agree with you on every point. I'm deeply distraught with season 8. HBO needs a remedy... In a quick way 😩

[@krisaaron5771]

We watched Chernobyl a month later, and the brilliance of that show put Game of Thrones to shame. GoT's cast and crew were the best and gave it their all. If anything saved the series, it was the hard work of hundreds of talented people. But D&D kicked the entire effort into the garbage -- I'll be pissed at what they did to my world for... oh, the rest of my life? Probably longer.

[@sablestar5312]

@@krisaaron5771 The last 2 seasons of GOT were pure crap and tainted the entire previous seasons of the show.

[@JE-zl6uy]

"Did Aragorn order the Orcs killed? Even the little baby ones?" Goblin Slayer: *ACTIVATED*

[@TheAkwarium]

yeah because at the end of a battle for the survival of the whole world that took many sacrifices and cost everyone involved so much they will never get back, hell Frodo even left Middle Earth because he couldn't cope, I want to read about Aragorn's tax policy.... seriously Martin?

[@bryanmanuel4945]

@@TheAkwarium Who wants too read about Aragorn's tax policy that's dumb,I didn't read LOTR or the Silmarillion for lessons on economics.

[@TheAkwarium]

@@bryanmanuel4945 funny thing is though Tolkien even explained it himself why he decided not to write about Aragorn's "tax policy" and the like.

[@bryanmanuel4945]

@@TheAkwarium Because it was unecassary to the story?

[@maxcovfefe]

We're all missing the bigger picture here: Greyworm can TELEPORT! It's obvious by the end that he only needs ships for his men to keep up.

[@ShamblesMD]

Yep

[@gunslinger7513]

My favorite season of Game of Thrones is 4. The most powerfull episode is episode 6 "The laws of gods and man"... Tyrion's speech was heartfelt and very emotional for Peter Dinklage. And especially for me and many others fans. One of the best moments Of Game of Thrones.

[@AlexSanchez-ff3uh]

I feel the exact same way, it really felt like the pinnacle of the show (to me that is) also the introduction of oberyn Martel with his death in that season was also amazing

[@AkashSingh-jv5im]

I still watch the clip of tyrion's outburst every now and then. It was so well written and so well performed by Dinklage. Another of my favourite is Blackwater. Peter Dinklage always gave good performance as Tyrion. Sadly last season his wit seems to have completely faded.

[@TheSuperQuail]

Completely agree. That was the high point of the entire series.

[@lifeishooey]

Right? His trial rant must've felt great, ridding himself of pent up anger over people, in real life, teasing him about being a dwarf.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

In my opinion, the end of Season 6 should be the real Game of Thrones . . . .

[@Ricky-oi3wv]

re: Aragon, yes. If you study the appendices of LOTR, you will see the conclusions to events outside the narrative dealt with. This is how Tolkien was able to finish a masterpiece, where tubby up there wrestles with concluding a pulp fiction series.

[@stick-itproductions.3307]

That's the thing that always kinda made me mad about George R.R. Martin throwing shade at J.R.R Tolkein. Like fuck, did you actually read it?

[@yuelina9221]

THIS!!!!

[@lewiskazinsky7334]

Let’s not beat around the bush; GRRM will be dead before he finishes the books, leaving behind a legion of pissed off fans who’ll ultimately remember him for selling out to HBO rather than his actual work. Neil Gaiman once said, “George RR Martin is not your bitch,” but I think that totally misses the point of the criticism - he has pontificated for decades over Tolkien’s shortcomings as if he has done better. Finish your own fucking books, then let the reader decide for themselves.

[@SmellsLikeNirvanaaa]

I feel like the trajectory of game of thrones is very similar to Dexter. The first 4 seasons started off strong but the last 4 progressively got worse. So disappointing.

[@TheFourthWinchester]

Dexter season 5 is one of my favs. So, GOT is exactly like Dexter.

[@Gum_Cuzzler]

I think there’s a reason most great shows only run for around five seasons. If GOT had managed to remain at the quality of seasons 1-4 throughout an entire 10 season runtime, that would have pretty much been an unprecedented feat in television history.

[@bisukhangoluan6230]

Another unnatural thing in GOT is noone of them carrying personal goods, supplies or other daily things even in army march scene.

[@demos113]

Thanks D&D for making sure i don't have to buy the GOT boxed set. >___

[@morse8026]

I was waiting for it and have avoided buying previous seasons.. guess I will just look for a discounted boxset of seasons 1-6 and pretend seasons 7 & 8 never existed.

[@Saraband-]

@@morse8026 I have a better idea : never again give a penny to HBO or any project that D&D produce. This is what i plan to do : this is the customer's chance to actually send a message that will be heard.

[@morse8026]

@@Saraband- Not sure you can blame HBO. They wanted 10 episodes for the last season. D&D refused and basically wanted to wrap it up in 6 so they could get on and do Star Wars. I'll happily boycott D&D but boycott the network that gave us The Wire, Deadwood, The Sopranos and now Chernobyl? Nah..

[@Saraband-]

@@morse8026 So HBO works for D&D ? I thought it was the other way around. And in any case the company is responsible for the quality of the products. Not only in show business, everywhere. If there is noboby in HBO stuff that has the authority to say "wait guys, this is really bad, let's not do it" then what can i tell you m8, they deserve worse than just criticism.

[@morse8026]

@@Saraband- Watch this might explain it better: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqOxeqSwqrlonpI

[@SticksUWP]

This show had been in steep decline since about Season 5. I honestly wasnt that shocked with season 8, because I saw this coming 3 years ago.

[@incaseofrapture6989]

Love that you mentioned Mayor Carcetti from The Wire in this. Great comparison!

[@RearAdmiralTootToot]

I think every serious fan has made a 'why GoT season 8 failed' video and this is ok, it's part of our therapy to recover as individuals and as a group from such a loss.

[@ev4742]

I'm embarrassed by how heartbroken I am over this failed season (S7 was pretty bad too). Game of Thrones has been one of the greatest pleasures in my life for so many years - I just feel so cheated and sad. It really effing sucks.

[@DickTator6969]

jon snow early seasons: "what happens to your eagel after you die , does he fly away like a kite with his strings cut? or is it flopp dead to the ground?" jon snow seasons 7 and 8 1.your/she's my queen 2. I don't want to be king 3. staring without any dialouge looking concerned ...

[@abdullahansari437]

Problem with Arya's storyline I felt was they tried having their cake and eating it too. They tried to make it seem like she was turning away from revenge, but at the same time made her achieve her vengance. She already completed her list. So her being convinced to "abandon" revenge doesnt make sense. She wasnt abandoning it, she was walking away from a job well done.

[@karenm9170]

"Hit his head really hard in the box on the way out of Kings Landing!" LOL Fabulous...

[@TheFoxfires]

The people defending this season are just as frustrating as this final season!!!

[@anja1627]

The Foxfires Ikr?

[@cockycookie1]

True

[@filth_nasty]

@Ben Smith I know a good divorce lawyer.

[@chimpinaneckbrace]

I think people are just having a knee jerk recation because for the last few season people have been whining about irrlevant crap like how fast ravens can fly or whatever. This last season was genuinely lazily written and people should just admit it.

[@snowman_star]

Agreed

[@dirtyharry1881]

"There's probably a horror story to be written about a kingdom ruled by a magical, emotionless entity, who's able to see the future, the past..."" Yeah, it's called Dune, the God emperor...

[@Elemenopi23]

With the Kwizatz Hadar, erm **cough** three eyed raven.

[@tbjtbj4786]

The dragon work for ada compliance. Metled the throne to make a wheelchair ramp.

[@jameshall9654]

I binged all 8 seasons in 3 weeks, so I was acutely aware of changes form season to season. The first 4-5 seasons are outstanding (though I've started digging into the books and I think I'll be more blown away by the books) and the character arks and development felt so natural. Jaime Lannisters transformation as an example was done perfectly and he's such a well rounded character. His regression and the manner of which it was dealt with summed up season 8, pops to Kings Landing completely unopposed after being freed and in record time. No encounters with bandits, no confrontations. He then arrives and takes out a deadly Euron with one hand - finds Cersei and they die in the rubble. It's all just convenient and given the long arc of his change in personality and the discovering of his story - that regression was just an afterthought ... much like season 8's finish. Defenders are right "I didnt get the ending I wanted" - I would have happily taken the ending they gave, if they'd taken the time to sell it to me properly. Justify the ending

[@Wordalways]

Your critique just made me as upset as I became after watching the final episode....still pissed. You brought up points that I didn't even think about. Why would the writers ruin such a phenomenal show?

[@loriannwhite8384]

Two Words: Star Wars!

[@TheFourthWinchester]

@@loriannwhite8384 And Disney fired them because of their crap writing on GOT.

[@vibercib2667]

The only good thing about season 8 is theons character arc

[@89blue1]

THEEEEEOOOOONNN JEEEEEEEENNNNNKKKINNNNNSSSS

[@ianomondi3152]

AND SANSA.

[@b2themc]

They even f**ked that one up with that stupid charge at the end

[@hijack69]

Actually I would've liked him have a small swordfight with the NK and then die...the charge looked really cartoonish to me

[@guilhermecosta1980]

Not at all... his siter rescue was another rushed event...

[@TheDBZtler]

Bran: "I can never be Lord of anything....I'll take that throne do."

[@cottoncatt1186]

Reformulated it is looking something like that : "I can't be a simple lord of the north, because I am meant to be the king of 6 kingdoms. I am the 3-eyed raven and this kingship is the only thing I deserve."

[@Hoi4o]

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Bran being king is super creepy and scary.

[@dino59mob]

This channel is fire.

[@jackpotdadon]

Dragon fire 🤔

[@chronikhiles]

And blood.

[@davidcoleman757]

We don't know much about Beowulf's tax policy either, but it was the European and Icelandic myths that Tolkien was drawing on. Martin's achievement is massive because of the detail in his created world, but Tolkien wasn't writing that kind of myth. I just hope Martin can wrap up his epic with the same degree of bitter-sweetness as the last four pages of LOTR.

[@connorsmith6517]

David Coleman can you summarize the last four pages of LOTR? I’ve seen the movies and love them but ik the books are pretty different from the movies. Any way you could explain?

[@diegogelinck8665]

@@connorsmith6517 Don't worry, the last four pages of the books are literally the same thing.

[@davidcoleman757]

@@diegogelinck8665 I sort of agree, but not quite. Frodo gives Bag End to Sam, which doesn't happen in the movies. The point where Sam realises Frodo is leaving for good is handled with far greater poignancy in the books. Finally, when Sam, Merry and Pippin stand listening to the sea, they are listening to the last echoes of the Creation described in the first chapter of the Silmarillion [the sound of water]. It bookends the entire mythology. It's one of those moments where the written word conveys more than film. For me, anyway.

[@MajoradeMayhem]

I really agree with you. The DETAILS were IMPORTANT and what took the show to a new level. The lack of detail in later seasons just killed off the magic. Where did the Dothraki go?? Who IS lord of the Stormlands? I can bet you it wasn't just sitting empty when Gendry got promoted.

[@MrTee-hw7mp]

For me, the biggest letdown is never finding out the true backstory of the White Walkers, their motivations, and their relationship to dragons. You know, the ice and fire concept. Instead, we’re left with the old tired fantasy trope of the pure evil villain after world domination only to be stopped by the good guys just in time. I truly thought the entire show was based on some idea of a grey world(as opposed to black and white) where the duality of good and evil was not so easily understood and yet a balance exists somewhere you might not be looking. Instead we got an absolute mess where nothing really makes sense.

[@jacobottesen5279]

So, it has the same problem that Fullmetal Alchemist 2003 had? Don't get me wrong, there's a lot great with the show, but that's more present in the front half than the rear. Unfortunately, I don't see GOT getting a "FMA: Brotherhood" treatment anytime soon, if at all.

[@lucapellegrine2961]

Dude Fullmetal Alchemist was perfect from beginning to end, I’d say it’s better than brotherhood, but both versions we’re great.

[@wererat42]

Brotherhood honestly felt rushed compared to the original. Spoilers for a 16 year old anime.... Like, in the original I genuinely cried after the death of Hughes but in Brotherhood we barely even met him before he was gone. Also the Xing characters from the manga who were added in Brotherhood just did nothing for me

[@slothful2039]

@@wererat42 I feel like Hughes death was warranted in brotherhood and since I actually watched brotherhood with no prior knowledge of what happened in the original I wasn't expecting it and felt sad. And to the contrary I loved the characters from xing, and to me they just added to the show.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

@@slothful2039 The butcher made me sympathize with the boys, Nina made me furious and weepy, and Hughes made me feel sad in the original run. They took the time to let us get to know these characters, which Brotherhood didn't. Character driven stories need 'filler', but all parts of the story need to pay off in some way. Brotherhood doesn't have that (which is why I enjoy it less than the original run despite the original going stupid) and neither does GoT in the latter half.

[@slothful2039]

Lead Paintchips I'd disagree but we all have our own opinions ^^

[@preddyshite6342]

And to think I was going to get the box set.. This isn't even worth putting in my Amazon basket until it runs out of stock

[@simonw3858]

Run out of stock! HA!!

[@David-ps1rz]

People are very quick to critique D&D, and that's valid... But people seem to forget that Martin isn't without his part in this whole mess. I mean does anybody remember how painful a drop-off it was to go from Storm of Swords to Feast for Crows? And then waiting 6 years for Dance With Dragons? And then him writing a plethora of other ASOIAF novelas in the 8 years since, and yet still no winds of Winter??? That would be why you have no Bran in season 5. That's where Martin left his story. OH! And apparently the major character endings shown in the show are basically what Martin had intended. So yeah...Bran on the Iron Throne was Martin's idea. Martin is just as much to blame for this crap shoot as D&D. I think he's deliberately waiting to finish the books because he knows that however he ends the series, it won't work out the way he wants it. He got to big for his breeches, PLUS I think he's realizing that the post-modernist bent he placed in the tone of the series works against epic fantasy counter-tone--particularly as you bring the story to a close. And though he may critique Tolkien's philosophy in the Lord of the Rings (yes, I know he still has tremendous respect for Tolkien and takes LOTR for what it is), Tolkien still did in 3 books what Martin cannot do in 20--and really that's only one book if you take into account that Tolkien was rather adamant about the entire series being one unified work. (Side note: even when the book was divided due to paper shortage, they were still all released WITHIN A SINGLE YEAR). Back to the present, I think it would be a cowardly move for Martin to just go, "HAHA! JK. This is how I really want to end it" and retcon the books after having already divulged the ending to D&D. The suspicious side of me thinks he waited this long on purpose to see how his proposed conclusion would fly. TL;DR: Martin tanked this show too.

[@sirocco2810]

Martin can end his story the same way as long as he fucking develops the characters and the story into that payoff. Daenerys went mad because fuck we have to. Bran becomes king even though he did fuck all for the entire season. I'll stop there but in my opinion the decisions themselves aren't a problem to me, the lacl of development and storytelling was. Because it was mad rushed.

[@kikima258]

That is what i think to he wanted to subvert fantasy troops and make something as timeless as lotr but just ended up failling as he has no idea how to end his story or how to even get theire What makes me think this way is the fact that he is willing to work on anything now except for the thing that actually matters even he admitted that he is struggling with wow his world got so big and so complexe even for him

[@BenJamin-xe6jg]

I agree. The ending we got was Martin outline. You can see in his themes that Martin would want Bran to be king because knowledge and the big picture were what made knigdoms last in his world. Also Bran is like an author. The series ended too quickly and should have never been picked up until Martin finished his series.