Game of Thrones WHAT IF: Jon Snow Had SILVER Hair

[@chevchelios9429]

What if Lancel found brestplate strecher?

[@Account2129]

Chev Chelios "find the iPhone charger... how long until he figures it out"

[@simsica5435]

What if his mother wasn't a dumb whore with a fat ass? (I mean his mother is Dorne Swift)

[@joeycash9739]

Simsica She's described a chicken legged and flat chested by Cersei

[@joeycash9739]

Simsica Yea I know but she wasn't even introduced in the show, I thought it was a bit off to call her a whore and what not lol

[@rogueprince1341]

I use to frame houses and when i started my boss got me with " the board stretcher ". I always loved when a new laborer would start and I could do it to them.

[@sergiovela7686]

Imagine ned buying a Lifetime supply of brown tyroshi hair dye

[@catalinacaro8183]

Haha im guessing that brown dye is kind of the henna of our world, maybe he could bring some seeds from the plant and cultivate them in the green houses of winterfell

[@Danish_Explorer]

XDDDDDD

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

I'm just imagining Melisandre washing Jon Snow's hair during the resurrection ritual only to see that all the black is slowly draining away revealing a snowy silver (very cheesy and cliched but I like it), imagine a Targaryan Loyalist like Ser Alliser Thorne's reaction to seeing the man he betrayed and killed with the exact same hair color as the House he fought for just as he's about to be hanged by him (damn now I wish that happened)

[@daddypoochie]

a damn good idea tbh

[@supremeemperor7802]

Have you guys ever noticed that Robert Baratheon is nice and forgiving to everyone else except for Targaryens

[@TheBattProductions]

Supreme Emperor Indeed! He hates Targs (even though he has some Targ blood in his family)

[@emperorpalpatine2957]

Well he thinks Rhaegar Targaryen abducted, raped, and killed Lyanna whom he was betrothed to and loved her dearly.

[@thomasmartin4281]

@@emperorpalpatine2957 also Dany and Viserys were a threat to his claim to the throne. He didn’t feel the need to take out the blind maester at the Wall

[@LordDirus007]

Which is a bit strange considering how close House Baratheon is to House Targaryen.

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

@@emperorpalpatine2957 Honestly it always seemed more like he loved the idea of being with her then that he truly loved her. This is actually hinted in the books.

[@bryguy1502]

What if Joffrey woke up when Jaime and Cersei were banging next to his “corpse?” If you couldn’t tell, I’m being completely serious. I actually want to know what could’ve happened.

[@TheBattProductions]

Hahaha. I could not tell. I'm glad you clarified because I assumed you were kidding

[@elitejames5897]

Hes gonna command the kings gaurd to execute them

[@tails512]

Obviously Jaime would have to push him out a window.

[@obi501]

He'd choke him, and then strangle him

[@kasinokaiser1319]

Joffrey: Mum, I think the strangler wore off! Uncle Jaime?!? Jaime: Never thought I'd have to do this again *flings Joffrey out of the window* >>>several seasons later

[@NessaBear90]

The Starkiest Stark whoever Starked 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I spit out water on that... What if Ned told Catelyn the truth?

[@TheBattProductions]

eHahahaha. HE IS!!!!!!!!! Good suggestion my friend. I dig it!

[@NessaBear90]

TheBattProductions No literally water was coming out my nose! 🤣🤣 I myself am the Starkiest Stark that ever Starked and I'm not going to use that!

[@terellchapman8737]

VeeMarie katelyn would have hated Jon more

[@wafflingmean4477]

@@terellchapman8737 Why more? She only hated Jon because he was as Jamie put it "The walking talking reminder that the honourable Lord Eddard Stark fucked another woman." She loved her husband but knew she only was married to him to solidify a military alliance and so is incredibly jealous of the woman who supposedly won Ned's heart without any such requirements and that being such an honourable man loved this woman so much as to forsake his honour. That and Jon openly accepting his bastard was a public embarrassment to her. Had she known Jon was not Ned's child, and none of the things I mentioned above were in play, I think she would not have hated him. She would not have treated him like a son, but she would have been kind to him and not resented his presence.

[@sergiovela7686]

@@wafflingmean4477 actually, she hates Jon because he represents danger to her children. Bastards can't inherit land or property but the trueborn children of bastards can; so the children of Jon snow could represent a danger to Robb and his children. If we take this into account, what could be more dangerous than having a Targaryen under your roof growing up with your children knowing that bobby B HATES Targaryens and wants them all dead. Like, imagine what he would do if he were to found out

[@Rrojas200]

What if Jon Snow DID know something?

[@taquito-sama4346]

Better yet, what if Jon Snow KNEW something

[@ronanmurphy8336]

Better yet, what if he DID want it?

[@Lite727]

Ummm he did???? Give bomb ass head to the ladies, dude did you not watch the cave scene with Ygritte????

[@Rrojas200]

@@Lite727 weird

[@Lite727]

@@Rrojas200 it’s the truth

[@benjo2492]

What if Tommen was the first born son and not Joffrey

[@Dashawn]

Benjo 24 if he was first in a way he would technically be joffery

[@benjo2492]

Why that?

[@Dashawn]

Benjo 24 joffery is only crule because of how he grew up If it were and other male they would be the same way therefore the same

[@zra1080]

Dashawn Bannister no Joffery was born deranged because of the twincest

[@benjo2492]

I dont know why Tommen would be then Joffrey, for me it makes no sense

[@plunder0000]

what if Tommen was the true child of Robert Baratheon , and Jon Arryn still would have noticed that Joffrey is a bastard

[@TheBattProductions]

Ooo00ooo I love it Gabit! That's awesome suggestion.

[@kateellison5360]

Cersei and Jaime die, and Joffrey and Myrcella (hopefully) go to the faith, or Robert kills them, too. :(

[@leonpaelinck]

@@kateellison5360 why would Robert kill his trueborn Son?

[@Hektols]

With at least one child looking like Robert there wouldn't be a reason to suspect their legitimacy.

[@J_Tag]

Imagine if Ned sent Jon to Essos with one of his loyal guards and they crossed paths with Jorah or possibly Daenerys

[@TheBattProductions]

That'd be pretty while. I'd love that.

[@tylerchapman9234]

They would still fall in love

[@rieskuijpers3844]

What if Robb was bethroded to Margaery Tyrell??????

[@knightshade1297]

Meneer De Koala Beer the starks would win but I think it wouldn't happen cuz they wanted margaery to be the queen of weatoes and Robb didn't want the iron Thorne and he would still have married talisa but there is a good chance that he would not have meet her cuz they wouldn't have been to cross the freys without agreeing to marry a frey

[@TheBattProductions]

I sort of did this one once, but in short: Starks win. Lannisters die. Haha.

[@knightshade1297]

TheBattProductions no you didn't

[@plunder0000]

knight shade yeah but as robb wanted the revenge he would sure have attacked the kings landing with the tyrells army, and he didn't know whar to do after that, who would probably sit on the iron throne, if joffrey is dead? I think, robb would have taken it, because there's no one that even has the true rights

[@astrinymris9953]

The only flaw to the Howland Reed thing is I think Lyanna made Ned promise to raise Jon as a Stark in Winterfell. She was probably too woozy with fever and blood loss to realize that Ned would have to claim Jon as his bastard to do that, or how that would pose a serious problem to Ned's relationship with Catelyn. But even though Ned eventually realized that, he'd already promised Lyanna, and Starks keep their vows, no matter what. The other factor is whether Catelyn, who's not stupid, would have put the pieces together and realized who Jon Snow really was, and treated him a lot better. Part of Catelyn's beef against Jon was that he was living reminder of Ned's "infidelity", and she perceived having him openly underfoot a slap in her face. The fact that he looked more like Ned than her own sons was also a cause for insecurity for her. A Targaryen-looking Jon wouldn't have been seen as a threat to her own son's inheritance rights as much as a Stark-looking one. Plus, since it was "known" that Rhaegar raped Lyanna, the possibility that Lyanna may have borne a child as a result of this might have occurred to her, especially in the face of her husband's white-haired violet-eyed "bastard". This would have changed the way she viewed Jon, and in consequence the way she treated him.

[@paulajames3937]

What if Robert were less naive and more suspicious of Cersie and Jaime?😉

[@laal6290]

Paula James That is a Good idea

[@isabellaortega8345]

I think Robert Baratheon knew , Jaime Lanister mencioned once that Robert pissed him 'cause he used to have orgies and stuff with many women specially in Jaime's watch to bother him , remember , Robert was mostly miserable , he didn't love or even care about Cersie or any of her children , not even about the 7 kingdoms

[@LyannaLastRites]

Lets not forget that on their wedding night he called out Lyanna's name while with Cersei. No new bride wants to hear the man they married call out another females name while doing the deed.

[@JRF1004]

@@isabellaortega8345 He didn't know, he would've publically executed both of them

[@random_meta]

Less drunk you mean

[@feanorofsunspear2320]

Hey guys, I have a bold new theory, I have never thought o’ before: What if Lancel blew out the candles under Baelor’s

[@Dashawn]

Feanor of Sunspear huh niceeee

[@TheBattProductions]

First time I've ever heard this idea. Ever.

[@Marcusjnmc]

huh

[@Dashawn]

TheBattProductions please do itttttttt 😇😇

[@parka8042]

I think cersei had it al planned out, even if he did blow it out she most certainly had a backup plan seeing how much she wanted them all dead

[@Kinyia7Angel]

Just a friendly reminder that Arya treated Jon like a true born Stark and was just as much an outcast in Winterfell. Jon and Arya loved each other the most out of all of the Stark siblings (and maybe the whole family.) Having each other is what kept them sane and made living as the outcasts tolerable. They would finish each other's sentences and when Arya was upset she would run to Jon. My point is not all Starks treated Jon like he was lesser and also without Jon to protect and encourage Arya then she would probably have runaway or have had her spirit broken by Catelyn and Sansa.

[@whittenaw]

Ooh good point 😢

[@az6077]

all the other stark kids loved jon

[@Z_BoyPanduh]

Jon Snow is the "Starkiest Stark i Know." Lols bro🏅

[@knightshade1297]

starkiest start I ever starkiest

[@TheBattProductions]

HE IS THE STARKIEST STARK WHO EVER STARKED!!!!

[@The_Custos]

TheBattProductions starked naked.

[@l.tc.5032]

Robb Hale personally I think that title belongs to Tony Stark but I’ll let it slide.

[@joeycash9739]

TheBattProductions He's is a true Stark indeed, get it? True Stark......

[@raymondli2647]

What if Balon Greyjoy accepted robb's offer?

[@TheBattProductions]

Love it! Terrific

[@fearthepiggaming2998]

I doubt the stubborn bastard would have but if Old man greyjoy had actually use his head then the war of the 5 kings would have been over really quick and it would have only been 4 kings

[@jbot91]

Honestly, I don't understand why he didn't. That was a stupid move.

[@dylangorman404]

- What if Melisandre never killed Renly? - What if Jon didn't leave Ygritte to return to the wall? - What if Jaime was married to Lysa Tully? - What if Walder Frey accepted Catelyn's offer to be a hostage and let Robb Stark leave the Red Wedding alive?

[@teainsteadofcoffee2540]

' The starkiest Stark that ever Starked' is probably my favorite line of you ever! Either way, love the theory, and I'm glad you adressed the scenario of Jon not being a super obvious targaryen.

[@bradgcomps9282]

What if The Mad King successfully blew up kings landing?

[@Brandonhayhew]

Theon Greyjoy Jaime Lannister is the one who stopped the mad king and his messagers, your comment should be what if jaime lannister never joined the kingsguards.

[@Brandonhayhew]

Rick Grimes Then everyone is dead, including Jaime's father and his soldiers. Poor Elia she is dead anyway and her kids as well. With no King Landing, Westeros will return into the a divided and no peaceful kingdoms, without a central king to create order and unity, westeros return to a petty war kingdoms before aegon conquest.

[@radidsarker4892]

What if Mellisandre has awakened stone dragons by sacrificing Gendry?

[@stanklepoot]

Fostering Jon with Howland Reed definitely seems like the most likely option under those circumstances. The result? Well, I'd think that Jon would have come to understand and accept his abilities sooner. The Reeds are more in touch with that sort of thing, and some believe that they've interbred at some point with the Children of the Forest. On the downside, Jon would most likely have died with Robb at the Red Wedding. Jon was going to abandon his oath to the Nights Watch to join his brother when everything went down until his friends reminded him of his duty. With no oath holding him back, it's hard to imagine he doesn't join up with Robb, both to stand beside his brother and to get justice for his father.

[@srf222]

stanklepoot Jon knowing his powers... that is what I'm still hoping for.

[@emperorpalpatine2957]

Jon wouldn't really know who Robb is if he was sent with Howland thus wouldn't really be inclined to go with Robb. If he was raised with Jojen and Myra Reed he probably would've went with them along with Bran to find the three eyed raven. He probably would've made it to the cave too which means he probably would've learned his parentage right then and there but probably would've never known if he was legit or not but perhaps Raven could say that he's legit.

[@ATLAoftheHill]

"The seed is strong... except where we need it to not be for dramatic reasons."

[@kjt7971]

Bear Island. Ned could send Jon to Bear Island. This could also create a situation where Jon comes into contact with Jeor Mormont, and the possibility for a Longclaw being rendered to Jon at some point.

[@13jonash]

In the books, Jon is described as looking far more like Ned than any of the Stark children. It’s pretty clear he takes after Lyana’s side more than Rhaegar.

[@thisaccounthasbeendeleted7801]

What if the assassin in season one killed Catelyn and Brann

[@hennagan99]

How I wish that were so now dammit.

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

@@hennagan99 why? That would have basically secured Tywin's rule and Lannister hegemony

[@hennagan99]

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 sounds like a better season 8 finale you are drawing up already. Sorry I couldn't even muster the give a f*ck to rewatch this mess during the whole Covid lockdown. I literally watched Sopranos, boardwalk empire, the wire, silicone valley, and veep a million times and would literally leap frog over GOT to watch Succession before ever taking what Dumb and Dumber did to my beloved GOT seriously again. So yes, sounds like what you say would have resulted in a pretty worth while series finale, because it started as a show of expecting the unexpected.

[@emreerencelik2563]

>he growns up in starfall with other daynes like one of them. (even though Arthur died because of Ned, Daynes are Targaryen loyalists and the kid is a Targaryen.) >becomes pretty badass fighter. >claims the dawn and becomes the sword of the morning. >whole dornish conspiracy changes for ambitions of making Jon marry with Arianne Martell and sit on the Iron Throne.

[@aegonthe1st280]

What if Stannis didn't kill Rennly with the shadow baby? Who do you think would've won't their battle?

[@TheBattProductions]

I think I did this one before...BUT even if I did, I may re-do it.

[@terryforsdyke306]

The Lanistairs would have won that battle, despite not partisipating. No matter the outcome of that fight both sides would have lost a lot of people, meaning they would need more to atttack Kings Landing, most likely giving Tyrion more time to plan the defences, and maybe allowing Tywin to get to Kings Landing before the attack. Stannis's murder/assissination of Rennly was a glorious coup as he took the bulk of Rennly's forces without losses. If they had the battle I believe Stannis's superior experiance would lead to him being able to battle Rennly's superior numbers but there would be significant losses on both side. no idea who would win the fight but both sides would loose, thus the Lanistairs win

[@babykitsune4789]

Can you imagine a silver haired John with a fuckiNG TRIDENT

[@The_Custos]

You needed a silver wig and silver beard for this.

[@TheBattProductions]

....I actually have the wig....Hahha

[@The_Custos]

TheBattProductions be the Starkiest Stark that ever looked like a Targ.

[@brainiacbs9121]

What if robb had married walder freys daughter

[@TheBattProductions]

Excellent one!

[@kateellison5360]

Red Wedding happens at Robb's wedding instead.

[@Brandonhayhew]

He already made a video on that a long time ago.

[@brainiacbs9121]

soyon wandering oh sit i even have already watched it... Then id suggest what if caitlyn had killed jaime...he prob did that too...

[@IdaSantti]

Kate Ellison Red Wedding happen by Freys blessing. He's not going to agree to that when his own daughter is going to be the Queen in the North

[@theliberator5126]

What if Jorah didn't betray Danny?

[@docbrown2045]

He would still be friendzoned.

[@TheBattProductions]

Good suggestion!!

[@emperorpalpatine2957]

She would probably still exile him since he still did sell slaves. If it's the slave part you were talking about he would've stayed in Westeros.

[@oxonomine]

I think that Jon would have felt a little more accepted at least by Catelyn, the man reason she was cold to him was because he looked more like a Stark than her true borms.

[@crazyciler50]

the traits you describe for being targaryan are actually valyrian traits, there's still plenty of people in essos that have these traits, even in westeros like for example the celtegars and velaryon had these traits aswell

[@TheRealRehman]

Jon "father, why do I always need to wear a hat?" Ned "no back talk, now put on the helm."

[@TheBattProductions]

Bahaha

[@sirnilsolav6646]

What if Ned told Catelyn the truth of Jon's parentage

[@Nash9r]

WHAT IF D&D would know anything about story?

[@paulajames3937]

What if Ned married Cersie? Tywin probably would've preferred him to Robert,since he thought the stormlord was stupid.

[@kateellison5360]

Tywin wanted Cersei to be queen, or AT LEAST a first lady of a constituent region. In other words, he wouldn't even CONSIDER Ned until he was Lord of Winterfell, and by that point there was a marriageable young king available. It's definitely interesting to think of how their personalities would interact with each other, but I just don't see it actually happening.

[@jhart3983]

The silver hair is a defect from incest. George Martin wrote a story where a Targaryen and an outsider had a dark haired child as this helped strengthen the gene pool. Lyanna and Rhaegar would not have a defected child due to incest. I’m glad Rhaegar went outside his own family to have children...helps avoid the madness as well.

[@kateellison5360]

Which Targaryen and non-Targaryen spouse are you talking about?

[@Rune_Scholar]

The silver blond hair is not a side effect of incest. It is a racial/ethnic trait perserved within a small gene pool by way of incest. Remember, the Targaryens are one of the last surviving families from Valyria and it's Doom. There are many silver haired individuals of Valyrian descent in the free cities that are not the product of incest. It is merely incest that preserved this genetic trait whereas it would have been otherwise bread out, being dominated by darker hair genes.

[@meerimkut7178]

It's not true, targaryen traits like hair and eyes is not a defect. And you forget that dark hair, skin and other "outsider" genes not always win. In case of Jon it even more likely because his half-brother Aegon looked like a targaryen just like their father Rhaegar, not his dornish mother Elia

[@reyne2878]

Lmao, all the Targaryen kings who married women with non targaryen features had usually one children with the mothers features and all the rest popped out with Valyrian features, or all the kings would have valyrian features, and this nigga says the Targaryens only have silver blonde hair because they do incest Lmao

[@beaukennedy4618]

Jon doesn't save the wolf pups then bran is killed... joefrey isn't attacked by nymeria, the butchers boy isn't rode down, ayra doesn't go missing, joefrey still has his sword and isn't savaged, Sansa Isnt mad at ayra for nymeria attacking joefrey, Samwell is killed at the wall, osha isn't captured, rickon is held hostage by theon in winterfell and never escapes, rickon is held by Ramsey earlier where Ramsey originally keeps him around for leverage over the north but ends up killing him, the reeds and Jon stay in the neck the whole time the wights at the heart tree arnt discovered by ghost or recovered by Jon and don't make it past the wall, the great ranging never happens, nights watch stays intact, coran half hand and his men don't die, geor mormont Dosent die, there is never a mutiny at crasters, who is still alive with Gilly, her son is given to the white walkers whom don't lose one to Sam, geor mormont and coran half hand successfuly hold off wildling attack on the wall until Stanis arrives, wildlings are slaughtered, hardholm is entirely wiped out wun wun included, Sansa flees with Brianne to the wall they and stanis's remnants flee across the narrow sea, no battle of the bastards, Danny doesn't lose her dragon, ayra kills cerci, euron trys to murder Jamie but he survives and is now king, Littlefinger lives and adds mistrust between varys and Danny, without Jon to make her chill and Littlefinger pulling some strings Danny begins not listening to tyrion and varys, she grows more reckless and mad every day, she executes varys there is no attack on casterly rock, Jamie's army with the reachers arrives with the gold at kings landing, euron is at black water bay trying to take the city, he doesn't fall for the wild fire trick Jamie employes trying to recreate tyrions plan, Danny burns the iron fleet as a demonstration of her power, Jamie convinces tyrion that Danny is just another mad monarch and needs to be stopped, Littlefinger helps them assassinate Danny at a meeting for Jamie's surrender, Danny is confident her dragons will protect her but they are shot down by scorpions above the city, a huge battle ensues as dothraki and unsullied invade the city against lannister, reacher and the knights of the vale. the unsullied hit the walls and breach the city opening the way for the dothraki who are rained down upon before reaching the walls. the unsullied push into the city but the defenders attack from all angles and above. the unsullied suffer heavy casualties In the tight streets and urban environment, in some cases wild fire is used against them to great effect. the dothraki push through the streets over running positions burning and pillaging as they go but they are cornered in the streets and forced to dismount a brutal scrap ensues all throughout the city and fire with it. reahgal and visarion were shot down early in the battle but drogon remained on a rampage and attacks the red keep where he is narrowly hit by a bolt and crashes into the red keep due to Jamie taking over a scorpion. Jamie then looks out over the battlements looking on in horror as the city is set ablaze in anger he tracks down a wounded drogon barley able to move and slays him in the rubble of the throne room. time passes and Jamie and tyrion are surveying the devastation of the ruined city. it was a phyrric victory they question them selves as to if it was all for the best. At the wall a horn is blown not that of a ranger but of destruction the wall is gripped In an earthquake and collapseses into the tundra a lone figure summits the large debris it's the nights king. he's here kick ass fuck bitches and that ice cold mother fucker is all out of fucks to give. To be continued......

[@Ouchthathurt843]

Beau Kennedy Learn how to indent my god, that's an unreadable wall of text.

[@beaukennedy4618]

No you must suffer

[@beaukennedy4618]

Ouch that hurt live up to your name read through the pain become stronger

[@beaukennedy4618]

Or did you just mean you can't read? I'm not trying to write a letter to the government I'm typing hastily whilst the videos playing I'm not going to give a shot about indenting

[@Ouchthathurt843]

Beau Kennedy All you need to do is press the enter button, it's not that I can't read and it's that you can't use basic writing rules. You dont need to write a college essay, just make it so it's not a cluster of text. I like what you wrote but it gave me a headache.

[@ivanbluecool]

What of bran was killed by the cats paw and cat as well or what if Jaime never lost his hand. What if yara was taken instead of theon

[@TheBattProductions]

Ah I dig it! Terrific ideas

[@ivanbluecool]

TheBattProductions hope you can think of good fan fics

[@someguythatexists5099]

ivanbluecool I don't think use a would ever be taken as ward As the reason thron was taken was to remove the male heir

[@ivanbluecool]

Ali Bacha still a fun thought. Maybe theon would become more like his dad and uncles. Although yara is more important in the books for the battle of winter as is theon

[@emperorpalpatine2957]

Also I'm sure Yara is younger than Theon and he didn't seem to remember having a sibling and he was taken when he was what? 6 years old?

[@sladestegall9820]

i feel like jon snow should’ve kept his brown hair but also take on the targaryen trait with purple eyes.

[@timomastosalo]

Starkest Stark who ever Starked. I liked that. I like when you can make people's names verbs, and hear it's 'doing the Stark thing' of the whole family line. Haven't analyze why I like it, guess it's beause you can package so much known information, a bit like you can say that's so English, Irish, Scottish etc. Is that a very common expression in English, or did you just make it up yourself?

[@Gametime41300]

U know Ned was sweeting bullets waiting for that hair to grow out on the way home 👀

[@khananas8983]

What if jon snow really say "mae kingg"

[@calvin5541]

That thumbnail is freaking me tf out😂

[@TheBattProductions]

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@calvin5541]

TheBattProductions believe me I'm a huge fan of these but that thing looks like my relatives from the inbred hick side of the family😂😂😂

[@vladajovanovic1293]

What if Eddard killed Jaime in their dual in King's Landing?

[@TheBattProductions]

Love it! I did the opposite version of this, so I have to appreciate looking at it the other way

[@davidweihe6052]

Eddard's reputation may be for killing Ser Arthur Dayne, but we see that Howland Reed is largely responsible for Ned's survival. He could not hope to defeat Jaime while Jaime still had a right hand.

[@wafflingmean4477]

I see two possibilities if Howland Reed raises Jon: - Jon probably would have gone to war as one of Robb's bannermen. This would have put him in a spotlight because it would have been rumoured that Ned Stark was wandering around with a baby at the end of Robert's Rebellion, and for one of Ned's closest friends' wards to suddenly show up with Targaryen features would raise major eyebrows. I think lots of people would be suspicious that Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen, but without Howland Reed present to be questioned it would be rumour and nothing more. However, it's quite likely Robb Stark would have taken an interest in Jon both for this reason and also because if true the rumour means he and Jon are cousins. That plus their similar age means they could have become friends. That unfortunately would have placed Jon at the Red Wedding. Robb had a group of close friends around his age form around him during the war, and most were killed at the Red Wedding because they were in the room with Robb. Jon however might have gotten lucky. If they managed to subdue rather than kill him, Jon may have been kept as a prisoner due to the rumour he is a Targaryen bastard. I think Walder Frey would have held onto Jon in case he ever came in handy. I think he may have even been gutsy enough to not follow an order from Tywin to have him killed, which no doubt would have come. The rumour if true would give Jon both a claim to the North and to the Iron Throne. I think Walder being quite devious would have kept Jon in a cell for years and that would have come in very handy if he ever needed to have dealings with Danaerys. - Now, the far more likely scenario. Seeing as Howland would foresee the rumour starting if he sent Jon with Robb, he would either keep Jon at the Neck (which Jon may have refused to do and vanished in the night similar to what he tried with the Night's Watch through a mix of curiosity about his parentage and a desire to fight), or sent him with Jojen and Meera. I think this is more likely because Jojen would have requested Jon to come with him, as Bloodraven would not turn down the chance to control the whereabouts of both a Warg and a likely candidate for Azor Ahai. So Jon would end up travelling to Winterfell and travelling North of the Wall with Bran. The problem is it would have taken them much longer to find a way through the Wall, as the Night's Watch would not have let them and Geor Mormont would have been killed by a wight in Castle Black, meaning he doesn't take the Night's Watch north and Sam never opens the way for Bran. Jojen would have to communicate with Bloodraven to wait at the Nightfort and Coldhands would probably kidnap some poor ranger of the Night's Watch to open the way for them before killing him.

[@jasonvazquez8652]

It's possible that he might survive the Red Wedding. The only way I can see this going is e=if he decided to step outside to take a piss like the Blackfish did. Then they both escape in the chaos.

[@shipeharrison7392]

what if arya didn't escape Kings Landing?

[@adrianmedeiros8431]

I imagine Ned in the godswood for the first year of Jon's life going like "please, don't have have white hair"

[@TheBattProductions]

Haha. I'd be praying...if his hair is silver, then Ned better be putting him on Queer Eye at the God's Eye to fix that hair of Jon's.

[@movieloverfan18]

In the books there was a suspicion by Catelyn that Jon Snows mother was Ashara Dayne. Some of Ned's men were talking about this and Catelyn overheard. If Jon hadn't looked like Ned and had fair hair there would probably be more rumors about this. I have heard stories about Targaryens hiding their hair in the Dunk and Egg stories. The Blackfyre pretender dyed his hair and a young Aegon had his head shaved to hide his silver-gold hair.

[@SpadaccinoLuciano]

What if Robb wasn't beheaded after his death, but instead was thrown in the river like Catelyn, and Beric brings back ROBB instead of Lady Stoneheart?

[@TheBattProductions]

Oo00ooo that's brilliant!!!

[@MaggieValera]

I could never understand how it was drilled into us that Baratheon children are all born with black hair, but Shireen tragically has her mother's horrible hair. The other thing that bothered me was how Jon and Arya were said to look like the Stark's dark hair, but then the only one with the dark hair is BenJen and that's only once he was an adult. They all had sandy brown hair. Wth?? Also Bran's hair didn't fit the Tully's either. Btw, first time viewer, new subscriber, love the concept behind your what if, it's not speculating what we know and going with it. Very fresh, keep up the good work and thanks.

[@katesullivan4707]

The Reed thing makes the most sense but if Ned did bring him home and if you factor in that he did have real feelings for Ashara, I think he would have trusted Catelyn with the secret. If not so she just didn't hate Ashara (which Ned maybe would jave more of an issue with than just an anonymous whore) and to help with the harder cover up (hair dying at least) and it might have improved Catelyn and Jon's relationship. Which might have then changed the War of the Five Kings, Jon would likely not felt like an outsider and been with Robb but at some point Catelyn might pull that out as her ace. The rest of Westeros who weren't unhappy under Aerys and saw Rhaegar as this big hero type who would be a fair king, she would be able to produce his son. The big issue there though is Jon wouldn't have his best friend to consult with his brother to find out he is legitimate.

[@TimSnead223]

I really enjoy watching your GoT “What if” scenarios!!! What if Ned rejects Roberts offer to become Hand of the King?

[@TheBattProductions]

Thanks a lot Tim! I appreciate it. I shall consider doing this one!

[@martino5742]

None of the Stark dire wolves would have survived without Jon saving them

[@RB-vc6sd]

I still can’t believe tommen just jumped off 😂

[@Leilani972]

I think that Jon would go beyond to the Wall if he was under the Reeds' care. With Jojen being a greenseer and all, they'd see what would happen to Bran and to the Wall too. He wouldn't be a member of the Night's Watch but he would probably try to send word of what's going on with the Wildlings and still try to help them travel through the Wall. Of course, not before travelling with Bran to see the Three Eyed Raven and finding out about who he actually is and his role in the upcoming Wars. Anyway, good video as usual. Always a pleasure to watch you and hear your theories. Love from France!

[@catshepherd3102]

If he has just the Targaryen hair, it’s simple enough to apply black henna assiduously.

[@yamitsukikarasu8857]

I think Ned could have hidden John with the Daynes.

[@igotnofries6645]

Love the video and you kinda look like wavywebsurf but with a beard

[@Bonanzababe]

Not sure if you did this one already. What if Ned had fostered Joffrey at Winterfell until he became of age as Renly(I think it was) suggested in the first book after Robert died? Would Ned have been able to change Joff at all?

[@TheBattProductions]

Oooooo that's a tough one. I like that idea! Thanks Lena

[@l.tc.5032]

I doubt it but maybe someone could arrange a little accident. Or put him on Prozac.

[@kateellison5360]

I think you're right: Reeds foster Jon (with all the ripple effect changes for him) is the likeliest scenario, and in that case Ned can even still see him sometimes. Glad to see a new video, but your well-being is ALWAYS most important! However, I should point out that the only way the Daynes have any Valyrian ancestry is if one of Daenerys and Maron's descendants married into House Dayne (which is perfectly possible). They themselves are going to be mostly First Men and some Andal and Rhoynish as well (probably descended from Nymeria herself!). The *ash-blond* Edric is the only main line Dayne explicitly said to be blond, and that could just as easily come from his mother. So, I'm just skeptical that people would - in this instance - so readily believe that Ashara was the mother. As we know, one of the ironic reasons why there are so many questions in-story as to who Jon's mother is is that he looks so *Stark.*

[@ATrivialGirl]

What if Robb sent someone else to the Iron Islands and Theon stayed a Stark loyalist?

[@Christopherjazzcat]

Your what if videos are great. A very cool and creative concept.

[@steveklemetti8035]

If Silver Jon grew up with the STarks, Ned would have to tell Catlyn.

[@marcopico7074]

"Starkiest Stark who ever Starked" that made my day.

[@mmaGambit]

What if pot pie made brownies? What if sir pounce lived with the Starks? What if little finger was middle finger?

[@haymaker710]

If he grew up with Howland Reed Howland would have sent Jon along with Jojen and Meera to help Bran get to blood raven.

[@TheBattProductions]

Potentially!

[@knightshade1297]

Jonathan Haymaker but they would still trapped in crestars keep or they would never have make it across the wall cuz Sam would still be a cry baby

[@haymaker710]

Sam wouldn't have made into the night's watch. Jon talked them into accepting him so Sam could be a Maester's assistant.

[@aratakasuga4095]

The Starks could just send Ghost to him as a present. Though I don't think he would ever get Longclaw.

[@marcinkusmierzak991]

If Jon lives with the Reeds he can't give Arya the Needle. Arya doesn't play with the sword on the way to King's Landing - both girls keeps their wolves, Arya doesn't meet Syrio. There are many interesting options what may happen when Robert dies and Ned is arrested

[@alex-sv8ru]

I don't think Robert Baratheon would be fooled that easy. He was more brighter when he was young.

[@PZY.Studios]

The late aysha dayne 3:07 lmfao he said it right when I was gonna say some stuff because yeah

[@sheilahilton356]

The Starkiest Stark that ever Starked...❤️ it. Dude, awesome videos

[@davidjames4915]

Without Jon at Winterfell, Benjen has less reason to leave Winterfell for the Night's Watch. Why? Benjen likely figured out Jon's true relation to the Starks but realized he wouldn't be able to treat Jon as Ned's bastard in front of Catelyn - sooner or later it would slip out. With Jon elsewhere, that's not so much an issue. When you think about it, it never made a lot of sense for Benjen to join the Night's Watch: when he did, only Robb was born, so the male Stark line at that point was down to just Ned, Robb and himself as their father and grandfather both had no brothers. Benjen, from a dynastic survival point of view, should have married. So had Jon been with the Reeds and Benjen married, there's a decent chance there'd be some more Stark cousins.

[@von2300]

Good thing that "The seed is strong."

[@brockbond7714]

I'm 85% sure there is a fanfic that follows this same premise where Jon lives with the reads and has his dads genetics

[@TheBattProductions]

Really??!? Although this seems odd considering I am doing these kinds of videos, I'm not a fan fic person (in any genre). I do like WHAT IF scenarios though from a brain storm standpoint.

[@tcrabbe1583]

What if tyrion was executed?

[@TheBattProductions]

Which time?

[@tcrabbe1583]

after Joffrey was executed

[@tcrabbe1583]

killed sos killed i mean

[@ximen459]

SofaBear Jack shit, what has Tyrion done for us the last 3 seasons?

[@tcrabbe1583]

calm down, it was just a suggestion

[@brainiacbs9121]

What if robb had killed jaime as suggested by lord carstark

[@knightshade1297]

Brainiac BS *karstark

[@nathanielstacy4488]

an option you over looked if Jon is born with silver hair Ned may have tried to get Prince Aegon into the care of his fellow Tyrgarian's his Step grama/ his uncle Vasarius/ & his newborn Aunt Dannie.

[@izuela7677]

Cat might not hate him as much, even if he stayed at Winterfell. One of her hangups was that Jon was the one of the children who resembled Ned the most.

[@RevivingSanamahism]

After coming from Death , Jon has to Awaken his Targeryan Blood , his hair became silver after his resurrection. But the show fails to do so.

[@paulajames3937]

What if Tywin saved Sansa for Jaime to wed instead of Tyrion?

[@TheBattProductions]

That's a good one! I dig it

[@solla9486]

but isn't Jamie a king's guard? He can't get married.

[@paulajames3937]

oi oi Lord Tywin knows how to manipulate situations in his favor, so getting Jaime free from the Kingsguard wouldn't phase him. 😉

[@davidweihe6052]

> so getting Jaime free from the Kingsguard wouldn't phase him BUT, at least in the books, it phased Jaime as much as Stannis's offer to make Jon the Stark of Winterfell phased Jon (before his murder).

[@coloureleven]

What if Robert found out that lyanna didn't love him and ran off with rhaegar on her own

[@leonpaelinck]

Wouldn't make much of a difference I'm affraid. I guess he wouldn't hate Vyserys and Danaerys that much. But the war started after the mad king executed Ned's brother and father. I think Robert would still declare war for "Stealing" his fiancee.

[@Mary-cg1sl]

If Jon Snow had been born with silver hair, we'd all know who was the baby's daddy- show over before it began.

[@chrismichael6048]

Jon with blond hair? I could say it would be like Heath Ledger's character in " A Knight's Tale " (released in 2001 and also co-starred Mark Addy @ Bobby B)

[@Themachomanic]

What if a UFO showed up above King’s Landing and just sort of chilled there for a bit until finally Dany and her Dragons went up there, and the aliens from District 9 were up there?

[@TheBattProductions]

It'd be a better series, for sure. Especially when they run into the Avengers and the Masters of the Universe orgy.

[@xuburbia3515]

Honestly not much would have changed, one of the main candidates (in the books at least) who people think Jon's mother is was Ashara Dane, who died shortly after Robert's Rebellion, House Dane would have been ok with him claiming she was his mother, and i dont think anyone outside Robert would have "known"

[@Metts1337]

its not surprising that jon had the features of a stark/northman instead of targaryen traits, the targaryens used incest to keep the line pure, hence the traits dont change, the introduction of new traits would just get rid of most targaryen traits since they're the product of incest, which even the human body is against since its detrimental to the body of a product of incest

[@robpolaris7272]

Ned would have shaved his head and Jon would have worn a goofy frey hat.

[@peterwindhorst5775]

The other option would be give Jon to House Dayne - passing him off as Lyanna's bastard. He would be raised as a Dayne - decide to go up to to wall (?) or sent there through some bad circumstances like being framed for the murder of the Hand of the King (reality Littlerfinger / Cearci alliance killed him). He would get a different sword - Light-bringer, the sword that could in theory defeat the white-walkers, then bang Daenrys.

[@obi501]

What if TheBattProductions found his shaving cream

[@TheVenomKat]

the starkest stark who ever starked lol good one

[@ballinbuddies3829]

Well for Howland Reed’s sake, crannogmen are naturally smaller than standard men and he was ganged up on by 3 squires so he had no chance and Lyanna came and beat them with a tourney sword and they were unarmed.

[@TheBattProductions]

Eh there's some small people that are pretty good fighters. No excuse! Muahaha.

[@stickler6014]

What if Ned Stark told Caitlyn Stark the truth about Jon Snow.

[@rachelmilligan95]

Nicky Magnetti he would’ve broken his promise, that’s all I imagine being different and she may of been nicer to him.

[@rhynlock11]

What if Robert makes Stannis warden of the east like Ned suggested? that would give him a better army and a stronger stand against Renly

[@knightshade1297]

Daniel Delgado ???

[@Emma-gh6vr]

I would think Ned would be able to convince Robert not to kill jon for lyanna's sake.

[@andersonjeremiah6]

Do what if Rob Bends the Knee. Scenario, when rob receives sansa letter he realizes Ned is done regardless but wants to save Sansa and Arya and doesnt want to bring men as winter is coming. Will be known as the Lord who Knelt?

[@Felzx]

Bro, your moustache has a moustache.

[@1TrueGem]

Good video. You mentioned 2 things I hadn't thought of. I definitely don't think Ned would let Jon out of his sight. Also... Jon not going to the wall means Sam would've been toast. Sam would've never gone to Old Town.

[@TheBattProductions]

RoseMarie M Thank you! And yes! Good point. No Sam Tarly!!