Game Scoop! 608: Checking In On Games in Development Hell

[@mO-gy8ee]

0:57 but 1st 2:19 cyberpunk 26:10 development hell 40:33 cool shirt 41:43 magazine 49:20 20 questions

[@noobz4hire290]

Thank you so much

[@mO-gy8ee]

@@noobz4hire290 your welcome. Glad to help people skip the horribly long cyberpunk I had to watch. Had to stop like 3 time it was so bad. Thought about calling the chapter cyberjunk lol

[@blakehenderson8828]

After the last week I think we all needed this... Scoop!

[@bradcuster]

Happy New Year!!! I can finally stop watching the last episode because my favorite 4 goose camp counselors are back!! This was a long week. Everything feels a bit better and right in the world with a new episode.

[@JGratsch]

I love this show. Look forward to it every week!

[@Anotherperson81]

Really enjoyed this episode. It's the only time ever I was ahead of you in a game (Cyberpunk) and really enjoyed listening about it for half the show (despite the comments below, I know it's got problems but I've been enjoying it). 20 questions totally beat me this week, I was so sure it would be Battle Arena Toshiden - never heard of that game series before at all. And yes, I'd wear that megaman shirt as well 👍

[@gurthang667]

What happened to Skull and Bones, Ubisoft’s pirate game

[@MrSnaztastic]

Hopefully they're taking the time to let you actually play as a pirate, instead of... a ship.

[@calimanduff]

With the new year I can now say I’ve been listening to gamescoop for 11 years now. Being 23, that’s nearly half my life 😮

[@PopCar]

29:35 "They don't have a big open world sci-fi game" Aaaaand Ubisoft just announced an open world star wars game. How does he do it!?

[@gunnermcdagget7692]

Dead or Alive and Soulcalibur both had games released in the last 2 years. Tekken's last game was less than 5 years ago. Pretty sure both would be considered ongoing series.

[@RK9ine]

I love the zoomed in uniformity of the headshots in this episode! GG

[@NoExplosionsMcgee]

I still believe that Rockstar is working on AGENT in some capacity. I mean why else would the game still be listed on their website to this very day?

[@JamalDolleyGames]

Welcome back Scoop Team, hope you all had a great holiday! It's been a long 2 weeks waiting for the episode :)

[@CheddarVerse]

SON OF A GUN THAT WAS A ROUGH 2WKS! LOL Welcome back Amigos! 🖐🖐

[@blakehenderson8828]

I'd take a Bloody Roar Primal Fury HD Remake so there's at least two

[@astropop1001]

Woohoo! Love this on my drive home. Glad to have yall back :)

[@FrancoisRoy]

Nevermind Cyberpunk bugs and glitches; the Police behavior is just unacceptable.

[@HardcoreGamer101508]

What are you referring to?

[@FrancoisRoy]

​@@HardcoreGamer101508 Teleportation. Being able to lose them them by running 50m down the block is also a huge deal breaker. The entire system is just broken.

[@thwartedjunk9655]

Yea after beating it I still needed to get 100 melee kills and shoot a grenade out of the air so I was hoping police would count. When you first get wanted they'll just pop up across the street and then after killing that wave of like 10 guys/robots that was it, they just wouldn't spawn more cops to take you down. So I just had to run or drive a block or two to lose the stars and then get wanted again

[@faceofbearr]

Nintendo's announcement timing is based around keeping the fans at neutral. They announced Metroid Prime 4 so early because they were releasing Samus Returns on the 3DS.

[@TA3DArtist]

I was hoping it was Tobal but Bloody Roar was a good pick.

[@Project-Aries]

31:40 let Samuel know that Back 4 Blood and Left 4 Dead is created by the same team Turtle Rock Studios. I wouldn't call it a "knock off"

[@BlackPlated]

Whaaaaaaat!? "Acclaim" is not double "k"!?

[@ryanschindler923]

i thought so too......

[@ADukesJustice]

39:35 What Justin meant to say was certain 3rd party developers have shareholders and publishers down their throats that force them to release the game regardless if it's ready.

[@USMCbrantley]

Bloody Roar on Gamecube was hella fun!

[@e.v.g.e.n.y]

Justin is such a positive gamer, he appreciates games for their strengths! Still remember him talking about perfect imperfect FF15.

[@gnarcky6ix6]

In cyberpunk, they make jokes in some of the side quest descriptions about how you're wasting time by helping people and ignoring your own massive problem. I like how they acknowledge it that way

[@CJeffHarrison]

Everyone’s moving frames during the magazine segment was far too entertaining for me.

[@KratosRager]

I've missed the Omega Cops

[@jordanbaublitz390]

I love gamescoop and I hope your 2021 is great!

[@michaelkuch1897]

I was today years old when I learned those are C’s and not K’s

[@joecartwright8964]

Starchild has been on my radar since I got myself a PSVR a couple of years ago! There was a demo on one of the free demo discs... and nothing else! :(

[@meldrew69]

Man, I got back into gaming because of Dead Island. I bought a PS3 specifically for it. It was so much fun. As for Cyberpunk 2077, I'm glad to hear you guys either like it or love it, because there seems to be such a big echo chamber of negativity around it. I am absolutely loving it on my gaming laptop.

[@igfnjwrionfoiurnfoiuenr]

Anyone know the intro music?

[@Surpluzz]

What game music at the beginning?

[@SilverSpectre266]

I got it after question 13 when they said play as a person part of the time, but I got the name wrong lol . I thought the games name was Blood Fury lol. I loved Bloody Roar when I was little.

[@Fa1con87]

Did they cut out the dying light talk?

[@JamalDolleyGames]

The waypoints and mini map does distract from the journey between locations. A way point mapped on the actual road would have been better!

[@PeterDB90]

10:47 - that half-naked girl made a bat disappear!

[@frankdux5785]

u need to get an interview with those 2 "Masters of the Game"... see what they are up to now.... if for nothing else for some sweet codes and tips to ur favorite acclaim games

[@gioloperez]

I wonder what game is Tina playing there on the side that distracts her a bit for a second there? Kinda intrigued. :))

[@aaronjones6798]

Until this very Scoop I always thought Acclaim was Akklaim. There is the Commander Keen mobile game that was announced back at E3 2019, I don't believe there has been another update on the game since - hopefully it's being reworked due to the negative reception the game got.

[@Wonderlandstudios13]

Man i'm so excited about that 20 questions. I was yelling at my screen half way through the questions lol. I remember that series from when i was a kid. I always thought that was such a cool one that could have kept going. They had a 3rd one in the series as a launch title for the ps3 i think didnt they? shame that it fizzled out.

[@Hunce1985]

Dying light 2 is delayed indefinitely because Techlands lead writer left the company to pursue other endeavours and Chris Avellone was fired due to sexual misconduct allegations. Shame because the game looks promising.

[@VAULT-TEC_INC.]

Christ Avellone?? Oh no. He was such a great writer. I loved his custom Baldur’s Gate 2 ending mod. What shame he had to ruin his career by being a sexual creep.

[@AcornElectron]

Happy New Scoop!

[@ValentinaMoretti]

I hope this is the last episode where they talk about cyberpunk 🙄

[@Meday354]

Anyone counting the amount of times Sam says "cheat"? 😂

[@randomguy970]

I was under the impression that Michel Ancel departure from BGAE2 was also due to allegations about his workplace behaviour. Whilst I’m happy to be corrected in this particular instance, overall I’m disappointed how IGN never seem to mention the issues at Ubisoft whilst talking about their games.

[@thewirv]

"I feel, uh, seen." lol 😂

[@nathc5479]

Riperdocs sell a shard for 100k that lets you reallocate all your points good for a complete change of play style. On ripper doc page go to trade, tbf it’s easy to miss. Also go through and reply to all your messages on your phone allot of missions only end when you reply to the message.

[@josephsmith-kh2dq]

I love ya Sam, but turtle rock is developing back 4 blood. The same developer as left 4 dead. Yes, they’re ripping off I suppose, but they’re ripping off their own game. And hopefully it’s dope.

[@cygnusx-1256]

lmao, right? like BRUH it's not a knock off if YOU OWN THE IP YOU'RE "KNOCKING OFF". Back 4 Blood is more a "Ravamp" of Left 4 Dead. It is similar in game play style but with several quality of life improvements and additional replay layers introduced. It's more like a spin-off than a "rip-off" IMO.

[@thewirv]

Stormdivers is not in development hell.. Housemarque scrapped that, and probably reworked it into Returnal

[@joshrogers6669]

I'm from Cincinnati! I've never heard someone not from Cincinnati mention Cincinnati. :-)

[@VodulinMyer]

I definitely want another Bloody Roar.

[@bradcuster]

This isn’t really related to this episode of Game Scoop, but I know you everyone that reads the comments would appreciate this. I just won a PSVR bundle from my cereal box! Eating like a kid at the age of 50 pays off. Ha ha who needs rock hard abs over a sugary cereal?

[@nvc.]

Ive finished cyberpunk. Its nothing special. I think this game needed 2 more years of development to really polish it up. The idea is mostly there, we can see the vision CDPR had for the game, its just that it was not fullfield at all... Beyond the bugs there are a toon of problems with this game that should not exist on a game that is released to the public..

[@LloydNance]

Happy new Scoop! Tina!

[@SilverSpectre266]

I really wish I could have joined in on this conversation. I made a post about this very topic, detailed a list of the ones I was waiting for, and a summarized version of their development timelines, and posted it on numerous "gaming" subreddits, and every one got removed by an overzealous mod because unless you are posting memes they dont care about solid open discussion regarding gaming.

[@lags7164]

When is Oni 2 releasing?

[@mattj2692]

i got the secret ending at 40%. I got it on my first playthrough without even trying lol, my choices just led me to it.

[@TA3DArtist]

Deep Down's trademark was renewed last year I think. The team was disbanded but maybe they'll come back to release it for PS5.

[@LordMauel]

Stealth is totally the wrong way to play Cyberpunk. Just get a power Revolver and Silencer and youre set for stealth. Key is to put at least 18 points in Tech for crafting, at least 18 in reflexes for the gun perks and augments and put the rest in the preferred way to body and intelligence.

[@Imhotep397]

Starchild was a PSVR game, but I think the publisher collapsed, the devs don’t own the rights to the game or something like that. Sony isn’t/wasn’t committed enough to either acquire the game/team or matchmaker to get the game finished/released on PSVR.

[@jacknl5979]

happy new year

[@ChrisWTube]

Where is Bayonetta 3? Nintendo should also do Metroid Zero Mission, Fusion, Samus Returns and Prime Trilogy all on Switch.

[@sapphirevenom4976]

They where 5 bloody roar games. Redo Next week.

[@VAULT-TEC_INC.]

ELDER SCROLLS 6???? It’s been 11 years since SKYRIM

[@JMGauthier]

But I wouldn't say that is in "development hell". They've been working on Fallout 4 and 76 since then, plus Starfield. ES6 is probably in early development as they probably didn't start it for awhile. It certainly hasn't been in development for 11 years.

[@BillsMafia1013]

You 100% need to play Cyberpunk on hard. Normal is so easy!!

[@pindaninja]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah gamescoops!! missed ya'll !!!

[@Dweemis]

Guess who's coming to dinner? Natty Dreadlock (Written and originally recorded by Michael Rose 1976, Re-recorded in 1979 by the legendary 'Black Uhuru' (Michael Rose, Sly Dunbar, Robbie Shakespeare, Winston Wright, Keith Sterling, Radcliffe “Dougie” Bryan.) Mixed and produced by Sly & Robbie at Channel One Recording Studio. Scoop! (Most useless comment of the week)

[@hekatetrivia1727]

No shit, Nintendo doesn't typically announce games early just as they don't typically abandon a console partway through its lifecycle. Both of those (not unrelated) things happened though. Let's not pretend that it's a mystery and seemingly worthy of being intriguing.

[@ZEROCOOLLTV]

the dialog options don't make a difference in the ending. Is so sad, its not what we were told.

[@danielballester134]

Its Akklaim!

[@joshb3024]

Sam saying you craft quickhacks with engineering is FALSE all quickhacks can be crafted with intelligence only.

[@OOCHIES]

Scoppy scoopy scopey SCOOOoOoOoOoOoOoOP

[@nvc.]

Bloody f*in Roar man... I didnt get it as well! ahahha. But it was a really cool game

[@EthanMiguelScott]

There's already a good, beautiful console version of Cyberpunk. Why would you not just play it on Stadia? Also, I think you mean you jumped _chip_.

[@RagingAbout]

I feel like I've been lied to, 30 mins of cyberpunk

[@SLHodge]

Seriously, I am so tired of hearing about it

[@MR-gold-VR-b6j]

Panam for life!

[@micabryant4513]

I've lost interest entirely in Cyberpunk... listening to chat on it at this point is draining. I don't know why people are giving it any time, I mean maybe once the messy shitheap has been cleaned up and works properly but until then your just helping advertise a buggy mess people shouldn't be paying for. The game should be starved of all attention until it's actually ready to be launched.

[@exzisd]

Game Game! gang!

[@Neo_X90X]

SCOOOOOPPPP!!!!!!

[@haroldsherwood1859]

is it just me or does Tina look like Mona Lisa.

[@ambrosiajam8008]

Well....She's beautiful... So there's that

[@micabryant4513]

What an odd comment

[@williampatterson1376]

The girl on the right hand side. She beautiful as Ms Marvel Kamala khan 🎮🎮🎮🎮🎮🎮🎮🎮🎮🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸🦸

[@nickking9568]

Dead island was fun with friends but terrible playing solo.

[@kodestroyer9957]

Ps4: wild

[@thwartedjunk9655]

So throwing knives is garbage, not being able to pick knives back up and then also needing to go and equip a new knife is a horrible system. Overture with a silencer is the only revolver you should be using in stealth, a vendor can also sell a legendary version. But yea endgame and fighting the final boss was just quick hacking the little guys and shooting the boss in face like a dozen times

[@davephillips6733]

I have a question - how are we supposed to know about a secret ending if there are specific dialogue choices and action to achieve the secret ending? If we make those choices automatically - it just becomes 'the ending', right? How are we supposed to know it's secret if it's secret? Surely we only know it's secret by being told... at which point, it's not secret! Right?! FOMO my ass!

[@최지우-c1k]

You have to trigger the secret ending. Based on dialogue decisions during the johnny grave scene and your relationship through the game. You have 4 ending choices arasaka, panam, and johhny and rogue or suicide ending. You choose the johnny and rogue dialogue but you wait 5 minutes and you dont select anything until johnny interupts your decision making at the end. The secret ending is Johnny and V taking on arasaka alone. If you die you have to start all over.

[@effincasuals8877]

The car sounds are awful in cyberpunk as well

[@RichardHannay]

Happy 2020 2.0!!!

[@face76]

Between Beyond and Scoop it was another podcast(50 mins+) on CP2077 or CDPR. Man. I couldn’t take it. So tired of hearing about the game. I’m glad it’s good for those that enjoy. But it’s out now. BG&E 2 is a prequel. If you want more info Ubisoft has their own updates. I think it’s called Space Monkey. Biomutant is coming this year. After games like NMS, Anthem, D1/D2, and many others I refuse to support a dev that releases games that are that broke or the dev, missing features, didn’t learn. CP2077 is the worst of these. What they did to the PS4/X1 gamers is no excuse. Great that people can play on pc. But the ps4/X1 were considered next gen when this was announced. Yet they completely screwed those fans over. Unless people stop buying these games that are busted, not finished, or missing features at launch we will keep getting them and will get worse. There many other games and rpgs that just as good or better.

[@canuckcityvan6043]

Well said

[@dboTHAnoob]

Good morning

[@greengamerguy623]

its talk like this that pressures companies like CDprojekt red to release early fyi

[@vonbleak101]

Level 20?! Man you must not have done many side jobs and gigs...

[@Jadedz1]

Scoooooop!

[@boardvision11]

🍔🍟🥤🤡💄😷

[@Johnbowermusic]

Tina is so cute!

[@dannykroulik3315]

Way too much cyberpunk talk!

[@sebastiansanhueza9601]

Zombie philosophy?? I'm calling BS right now.

[@shazanhassen9507]

First

[@ValentinaMoretti]

Scoop!!!! 💕