Game Show: Is a Ford Fiesta ST Faster Than a Tuned Fiesta ST? Ep.4

[@detmer87]

Damn!, put those two cars on a dyno. That so called 'tuned car' is barley any faster...

[@dsantana0311]

Very poor choice for “tuned” fiesta. Needs an intercooler first and foremost. It a v2 accessport and it’s mostly likely an off the shelf tune stage 0 or stage 1 at best, which doesn’t really add any power it just adds some features over stock like launch control and flat foot shifting. Which I may be wrong I don’t even know if a v2 has those features. That fiesta needs full bolt ons and a custom protune for noticeable gains over stock.

[@1970HondaCL100]

That's way too close to justify the $$$ spent on the tuned car.

[@J-W.-]

Thats what I said .

[@Tool0GT92]

The only advantage he has is exhaust and intake noise.

[@Visorak137]

It's like the dudes who put a exhaust on a Civic and now its "faster"

[@woocoheed]

Agreed

[@spencerforman4668]

In the world of tuning, that's really not much done. And you can discount the money he spend on the exhaust, you're not gonna any more power because of it. Exhaust note is really just a personal preference and less of a performance necessity nowadays.

[@Northrendish]

Should have went intercooler, downpipe and tune for the most power.

[@bjornm209]

Jake O'Quinn or just a giant turbo

[@bt7482]

agreed . intake is not needed. a drop in filter is all that is required plus an upgraded intercooler.

[@Jorge-125]

Facts

[@JadenZeCreator]

B T True but that silicone intake tube is a must, the stock rubber tube is super restrictive, drop in filter and tube and your golden 👌🏻

[@bongodave13]

I have a mountune custom tune with a full intake and intercooler. 238 hp, 282 tq, according to the accessport estimate. Really wakes it up. Spins the tires in 3rd.

[@geoffreyorsini3779]

The Fiesta is not about times and never has been. It has always been about how it FEELS. It FEELS fast, it feels nimble and it feels light! It will not beat many cars in times until you start doing some more bolt on’s or especially change the turbo; the Fiesta is what it is. An affordable, efficient and ridiculously fun car for the money. Who cares if an Accord with a V6 can beat it, the purpose has always been to blast around town in the low revs. P.S. take an Accord to the Canyons and try to keep with a good driver in a Fist;)

[@GyroPyro121212]

Geoffrey Orsini A good driver in the Fiesta ST can set impressive lap tames. I regularly run Auto-X and there are a couple stock/mostly stock Fiesta STs. Due to their light, weight, relatively narrow track, and short wheelbase, the Fiesta STs regularly pull one rear tire off the ground under hard cornering. Even once they do, they still just grip and force through the turn. With some mods/weight reduction, I think a Fiesta ST would be an absolute track weapon.

[@scottiejets]

Geoffrey Orsini I sold my mustang gt, the fiesta st I bought for commuting is just so much more fun!

[@Twongz_does_anything]

ep3 >st

[@autohelix]

You can't run a proper aggressive custom tune without a upgraded intercooler.

[@Treyk901]

Ford ST you can in the F-150 :)

[@rodolfoem2011]

Not true, my wifes ecoboost mustang got a jlt intake and tune and the difference is night and day. Cant even tell its the same car. And the IC on the ecoboost is trash.

[@chrismonroe8417]

My old cobalt SS/TC made 340whp on a stock intercooler lol. Made 420whp with an S259et, stock IC. Obviously swapped it out at that point but it still made good power.

[@altershape]

I love the cheesiness of this. Nathan's commentary makes me laugh every time..

[@eliasramos8670]

I LOVE THIS! The quirkiness of it is great.

[@lonespartan31289]

my money is on the Fiesta ST in this one...

[@raydrezack]

That car needs an updated Cobb Accessport, an updated tune, and a serious driver mod.

[@JorJorBinks123]

That’s is the funniest game show. You won SHADE! Hahahaha

[@tanjimbashar]

Awesome new game series. Nathan's commentating is really funny. The reward system is hilarious. And the new rigged wheel of destiny is stupid fun. Love it.

[@coolsquad7428]

Same its fun and funny

[@nbor101]

1:14 Wheels Mike, they're called wheels. LOL

[@Jorge-125]

Facts

[@andrewcunnison6975]

Lol! You guys are always fun! Love it. Ford vs Tuned Ford. Both has it pro and cons over the other but in the end the Tuned Fiesta won. Watching from Jamaica!

[@dylanknight4752]

I can tell you why it was so close...any tuning company other than mountune just focuses on torque. 250 ft lbs is great but it means nothing in a drag where the rpm never drops below 4500.

[@patrickirish8110]

Ahhh, I love these vids; a good laugh every time. I'm gonna' go enjoy a beer in the shade now.

[@jonty3000]

a tuned FiST cant pull on a stock FiST? :( i feel bad for stratified

[@autohelix]

jonty3000 it's a old tune, you can tell by the accessport he is using. The tune is probably not aggressive, because he is still running the stock intercooler big No-No.

[@ronski5940]

Driver mod needed for one: for two, what the other guy said

[@TheIchigo1324]

To be honest though, feels like the driver is just inexperienced. He seems so nervous and timid driving his own car. I mean you can even see that the tuned fiesta is accelerating faster than stock.

[@hiramesensei3112]

@Ford ST stock intercooler shoulndt matter at all until they're doing repeated pulls, the stock one is fine until it heat soaks

[@zxibit3081]

fiestas suck dude... my fiesta (intake, intercooler, cobb “stage 2” tune) got dynoed... I made less than stock hp and +20 torque

[@javicano100]

The wheel of Destiny is a waste of time

[@jaconmojica4452]

Shade hahaha it's what we all wish for in late July in Idaho. Gotta love it.

[@alexk8583]

My Fiesta ST rally car will eat both of them for breakfast because it was CUSTOM tuned on the dyno and pushes about 300 lb of torgue at the crank (240 to the wheels). and it's a 94 Octane conservative tune for reliability. off-the shelf tune is just a gimmick really.

[@27Zangle]

That tune is a joke. This is why I believe in a good old fashioned dyno tune.

[@Chewygsxr]

A bigger Intercooler is necessary for better and cooler boost, it’s makes all the difference, plus that drop in filter is no good for power, get a bigger intake, I’m on stage 2 with a custom tune and love it.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I bet as you guys keep driving the Fiesta around the same track, you're going to keep getting faster. Getting more experience with the track and the car. So not really a fair comparison to the competitors unless they also get the practice. Good thing you tried driving as well.

[@DriverGuy23]

Driver Mod is worth way more than the Tuned Mod, & it’s a lot cheaper. Pretty hilarious watching guys bring their tuned, high hp cars to the AutoX & then they get smoked by stock Miatas.

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

I mean, yeah. Driver mod important. But also wheels and tires second best value--by a lot over anything you might do to ECU/engine/exhaust. OMG, I just noticed I'm commenting on a 3 year old video. Oh, KZbin and your algorithms...

[@lffit]

such a great small car have just bought another here in France my previous got wiped out in a carpark; sad the US will no longer get Europe's top selling small car

[@diydrivenGA]

makes me want to go back to just cosmetic mods....

[@Ortisan_Official]

Wow you sound exactly like the cash cab guy. Like inflections and all

[@MultiPurposeReviewer]

"I have a Volkswagen GTI, 2007, um...heavily modified *smiles.* " Oh man, when you hear THAT...

[@ghostrider-ej1dw]

surprised that neither over heated in 2 seconds like they should if they were stock

[@diegudr]

Wow you guys just unsold a lot of tuning kits. After watching that video I wouldn't upgrade anything.

[@ProGamerLeague]

$250 for the passport $350 for a catback $150 for an intake Just to win by a bumper.. he probably realized after this video it was all a waste

[@michaelreitz6838]

Where you getting your parts from? That crap costs more than that! Lol

[@BensCoffeeRants]

It wasn't really a professional comparison. AND for those prices, it's worth it (probably not really realistic pricing though).

[@SleepyHollowCrypto]

500 for passport

[@BensCoffeeRants]

It's an AccessPort not a passport :D Anfony said it wrong now it's catching on apparently.

[@alphazoomii9408]

Yea.... ROTFL a passport was an old radar detector.

[@gigi9467]

geez guys a quick clean on that engine bay wouldnt be a bad idea... lol other than that great video

[@jedironin380]

The Wheel of Density! :D

[@capnnslapaho-5644]

Man the top right of my screen was looking shitty but it was y’all video freaked me out!!

[@cadsux]

If only games shows like the modern "Price Is Right" would give away Fiesta STs instead of those base models. In the original show, during the 1970s, they gave away Cadillacs, Camaros, Corvettes, Firebirds and even Jaguars.

[@mxjb1125]

I’m running a stage two Cobb tune on my fiesta st and I drive highways to work and average 34.3 mpg and still climbing.

[@Moparmonstar392]

I want to play I’ll bring my FIST

[@Darylrb1983]

Driver mod needed Update to V3 accessport and put an intercooler on it, with a protune. Then driver mod some more.

[@jimmcginley2786]

to get the most fair comparison you need to switch drivers for the drag race. the driver is one of the biggest factors in lap time

[@d0mochi]

How come both cars have different seats? Aren’t those stock seats?

[@Whowhatwherewhendude]

Love the concept of the show!

[@pharettface]

I know you guys are here in Colorado, high altitude really hinders the STs little turbo. Suppose at least tuning helps a little. Fun none the less I love my commuter ST. Gotta keep the fiesta alive now that it's dead in the US

[@jeffreylund7506]

pharettface Ford will still sell them in ‘19.

[@hasley84]

which seats did you prefer between the Recaros and the Base seats?

[@michaelreitz6838]

What you people don't realize is that basic mods with a tune on a low HP car isn't going to bring you a significant power gain that's going to make a big difference. The tuned Fiesta ST might have a 10 to 15 HP advantage with the mods it has over the stock one. Not enough to blow you away.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Some cars do respond better to tuning than others, doesn't matter if it's relatively low or high horsepower I don't think. You can get decent gains that you can FEEL with a flash tune. I noticed with the Cobb stage 1 off the shelf tune, the turbo seems to hit a little harder, the car characteristics seem a little less refined, more sketchy than stock, but not so much that it feels dangerous / scary. I think that OTS tune only gives you like 6HP and maybe 15 extra Torque but it makes a difference. Some other cars I think VWs can gain maybe 40HP with a similar Off the shelf tune I believe which is pretty crazy.

[@shahulhusman]

$2000 in mods is like 7-8 track days.. Which would have made his lap time way better.. Shows that modifications is way worse than spending money on high performance driver education

[@bleu_chzst924]

Shahul Usman where are you getting 2,000 dollars from. That blue induction hose is like 100 dollars, which btw isnt an intake.that tuner is ancient outdated and most certainly purchased used and an exhaust for this car is like 400-500 bucks.

[@shahulhusman]

Bleu_chzst he mentioned in the video he spend 1900 and some change on the mods.. But mostly the tires and wheels he said admittedly .. Leaving stock and doing track days will make the car much faster.. Vs mods..

[@brojynks]

Shahul Usman none of his mods outside the tune were power adders. Also the canned tunes are shit.

[@Ar938]

“All around ok guy” funny

[@jimphillips4377]

I'm looking for a drag between a standard 1.0 ecoboost 125 and a remapped ecoboost 150+ can't find one anywhere

[@wyattbanik4665]

I'm only half way through the drag race and I can already tell the one driving the tuned fiesta can't drive.

[@ericharrison619]

Why the loud music throughout the entire video? This is an automotive channel lets hear the cars please.

[@mattautomotive5738]

It's worth noting that it has a 91 octane tune. Tuners across many platforms will tell you that there's not much to be had on factory performance cars with 91. I know these guys don't have the option, but 93 tunes are usually where there are real gains to be had.

[@DanielBrownOre]

Well, 93 is at least a full step up from 91 but e30 tunes are where that's 2 full steps above a 93 tune, literally 25-30 HP more over 93 just from using e30... too bad it's so hard to find e85 to make an e30 mix where i live, so at least my 93 tune helps as much as it can anyway...

[@Treyk901]

Daniel Brown I would love a e30 or e85 tune for my F-150 but I’ll have to stick with 93, which is still very good. There isnt any e85 or e30 near me.

[@jvepps]

That accessport isn't even supported anymore. Should have done a full bolt on + e30 fiesta.

[@bigbutman7]

Oh my god the music is way loud. It covers up all the other noises.

[@mattsamuels3607]

A stage one fiesta ST barely gets any extra hp over the overboost. So this is probably accurate. A stage 2 fiesta ST is 230ish hp and will be more of an ass kicking 😎

[@patrese993]

91 octane?? The ST needs at least 98! Where do you get 91 nowadays anyway?

[@Dormantee]

Love my Cobb stage 3 Orange FiST!

[@Jorge-Tamacas]

Hahaha, what's the point of the wheel of destiny? At the end is manipulated by Roman. I like the Fiesta ST, it´s a car with good performance, good enough for me

[@kevinheckeler]

The fuel economy test was... poorly implemented. But the rest was fun.

[@ExLiteW]

Needs a catless downpipe for that access port to really do anything

[@adithyaramachandran7427]

The fuel economy test made me lol. I get 45.3 on my cruze coasting down the freeway.

[@krakdaus5442]

But it's a Cruze........

[@01gtbdaily30]

I wish I could bring my car down to you and test it . I have a near stock Toyota Mark 2 with a factory installed 1jz vvti .

[@regsparkes6507]

Good stuff ! I enjoyed this video,..thanks guys!

[@vcupiano]

How much more do those sparco seats weigh? I wonder if the “upgraded” cat back is hampering the extra power you’ve added? Also many of the cold air intakes actually make the air hotter either way that money you spent obviously didn’t go a long way.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Yeah, stock air box gets air from outside the engine where it's cooler, a lot of Cold air intakes ironically get air from the engine bay area which is hotter. People like them because they're open and you hear the intake noise more. But cool air is better for the engine, efficiency and power. Some cold air intakes are made right though.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I don't think the cat-back would be hampering performance though. Sparco seats ? Recaro you mean? They're probably heavy but nice nice seats. I think the differences were probably due to driver and or tires more than anything else. The tune he had probably isn't as great as a modern tune as well, that was an old school tuning device.

[@boosteddlife]

"it dont matter if you win by an inch or a mile winnings winning"

[@TheSuburban15]

How can smooth be both slow _and_ fast?

[@Flewpygoober]

Sucks they spent money on the tuned FiST in all the wrong places. It really needs a better front mount intercooler and catless downpipe. As for the "intake" on the car, all they did was replace a small section with silicon piping. It looks like they didn't change the entire intake, just that small section. The intake goes all the way down to the turbo on the back of the engine and the piping is really narrow and lots of bendy parts that cause turbulent air flow.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

I haven't heard of the Fiesta ST needing an aftermarket down-pipe, from what I've heard the intake and exhaust system isn't really restricting anything unless you've upgraded to a big turbo. I don't recommend going cat-less because it's going to stink, it's illegal in most places because it's awful for the environment. We all need air to live.

[@ricecakeFTW]

Basically, thousands in mods, no big difference than the hole in your pocket for the B/O Fiesta.

[@ironreed2654]

IF you expected more then about half a car length then your overestimating an intake and tune.

[@jakethesnake1503]

Need to get my hands on some of that shade

[@CornfedKillerDude1]

You can pull a bus length on a stocker with just a V1 Whoosh fmic and E30 tuning.

[@jacobyo99]

All that money upgrading the blue one and it can barely beat the stock one lol

[@timothyjackson4321]

For an everyday driver, is the cost of the mods worth the difference. That is the question.

[@epicshade3463]

Ok anyone who knows this car is it doesn't make power until a cold air intake and a bigger turbo. Rather it s hybrid turbo or a big turbo with up top power rather than mid-line/lower end power. The modded car needed to have someone more experienced at the wheel with the car. Now cobb tunes aren't anything for these cars.An actual tuner does wonders for these cars.

[@St32003]

Interesting. Why was the tuned Fiesta more economical than the regular Fiesta ST? More access to power usually always equals more fuel consumption. My only guess is that the smooth race wheels led to less road friction and this better economy for the gentle driving laps they took.

[@gman3563]

St32003 the smoother the tires or more rubber on the road means more friction.

[@jeffreylund7506]

shovon ski I thought they mentioned it had 15” wheels.

[@vr43000gtkid]

If you do a weight reduction on the blue st (slimfast& cardio) you’d prob see a bigger difference in the quarter mile

[@minivanmaster]

I didn't know the mpg computer can update that quickly. the track isn't that long. also, was the mpg test done before or after the fast lap? because I am shocked that Fiesta ST was getting 28 mpg even after hustling around that track!

[@SleepyHollowCrypto]

He reset it before the test

[@TedSchoenling]

Crappy Firestones? that wasn't an upgrade

[@BensCoffeeRants]

The firestone Indy 500s are good tires, they're re-badged potenzas (i forget the model) with a tweaked tread design. Not sure if they're better or worse than the stock Potenza tires, I never tried them. But should be close.

[@mcbigman100]

this is great and all. But! Tire diameter is an issue. The 16" wheels can't have the exact same tire diameter as the factory tire. This effects all of these tests. Mileage. acceleration etc. If the most common size 16" tire (p205/55r16) was used then it is 6% shorter than stock.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

You can have similar diameter if you choose the right tires, this is a good site for comparing. If you want to go to a smaller and possibly wider tire you benefit from some weight saving from the wheels which helps acceleration, and more grip if you go wider. This site shows less than 4mm difference in diameter with these sizes. www.willtheyfit.com/index.php?width=205&aspect=40&diameter=17&wheelwidth=7&offset=47&width2=215&aspect2=45&wheel_size=16&wheel_width=7&offset2=47

[@ET-vl2jr]

We’ll I guess that constitutes tuned not modified 😂 I’d like to see a tuned big turbo fiesta go up against a stock one for comparison

[@MLKM4N]

Sorry was going to show some hate about the obvious, but can you please tell me the Year on both of these fiestas? Please

[@brianpeterson5890]

I like watching i just haye the games "seriously"

[@BensCoffeeRants]

6:08 nice tire lift-off.

[@Hondaman0924]

Nobody can make a good fiesta st video. ): my stratified fiesta with a Cobb v4 accessport pulls 26.5 pounds of boost I would poop on that blue fiesta

[@swanblake]

Was the tune map for high altitudes and proper octanes?

[@tkccars]

Was that an ots map on the accessport or a protune?

[@chckycrk]

Too much music

[@coolsquad7428]

Hey roman I like how you use the spining wheel

[@keithautumnbrueyfitz]

Honestly what the "tuned" st has on it for parts are way overrated and there's similar priced items that gives so much more power

[@DedXyl]

91 octane lol these American versions just cannot compare to the EU ones. Pumaspeed do a Stage 1R tune at 98 Octane that gives 241bhp and 390nm of torque. Guarantee it would wipe the floor with this "tuned ST"

[@1234rsvidslol]

Problem is, he's stratified tuned. He SHOULD have been smart and went JST ;)

[@saucysimpson259]

COBB tuning one again letting people down

[@brandonm6117]

Very cool video. Let me know if you need another driver, i'm in the Denver area and would love to race with you guys.

[@TheVlekkie123]

Keep it simple.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Wow, this is just more confirmation that not tuning is the way to go. What a waste of money to tune!

[@michaelbullington3182]

A COBB stage 1 adds torque but is not really going to make much difference in a drag race; not to mention an exhaust should do diddly without an enlarged downpipe. Speaking of downpipe...shoulda been the first mod. COBB is a questionable expense if you're not Stage 2.

[@DanielBrownOre]

Other than modern tune, preferably e30, not much other than turbo upgrade really helps... that's right, you can go intake and downpipe but on stock turbo they might get you 10 HP with a tune, when a tune alone will give you 25 HP... intake and exhaust is NOT a bottleneck unless you have a turbo upgrade!

[@JPTHRICE]

3 years in, i would have sold mine w/o tuneup!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

It's a fun car with or without a tune. Just gotta press the accelerator a bit harder without a tune maybe.

[@Unmarked_1]

What the hell is this? Driving Miss Daisy

[@johnnyturbo8460]

I would not be to happy if I spent money for a tune etc and could barely beat a stock ST. AKA was really not any faster

[@DanielBrownOre]

Why do a video in mid '18 with a crap original '14 1st gen tune to compare? The AP is 3rd generation now and the tunes available for them are worlds better!

[@srojack]

What % tint is on the blue FiST?

[@steveo8533]

All that money for sweet F.A.