GAMEPLAY CHANGES & SECOND BETA - Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising Update

[@fishswat1]

The technical input change only applies to specials performed while in neutral. If you use them in combo cancels then easy inputs have the same properties. (This was specifically stated on the slide for technical input) Essentially, this is here to reward ppl with good reflexes/execution who landed specials during the neutral game.

[@Faelitu]

That also means that they still want to lvl out newbies and experienced players, which is ridiculous. Commiting to technical inputs instead of the easy ones pack waaaay more risk and basically the same reward since it makes almost no difference at all in the overall match. It's like buying a deluxe version instead of the common one and receiving a pen as a gift lol.

[@fishswat1]

@@Faelitu 10% extra dmg might not seem like much at one glance, but this does make a difference if you really think about it. For one, it's effectively a 10% boost to all projectile specials. ppl have been doing those moves via technical input for ages to begin with, and these motions are fast and easy enough to do that a big portion of player base can do them with no effort. Now, they straight up get a 10% free extra damage. Another use case would be gap closer specials. These again are moves that ppl have already been doing in neutral anyways and will get the 10% extra dmg essentially for free. Or wake up DP/wake up supers. There're already a ton of ppl who can do these via technical inputs consistently, and now with extra dmg, that's all the more reason to do so. Not to mention, we also have to factor in the damage bonus from BP, up to 50% extra dmg. Add the 10% on top, that is not negligible. The added dmg can easily make the difference between opponent surviving with a tiny amount of health vs securing the win. Sure, the impact might not be as big as what we had before via the CD and dmg scaling, but gotta keep in mind that the core design vision of GBVS Rising is to place an emphasis on tactical decision making rather than execution difficulty. Hence the approach of offering a small reward without making easy input trivial. It's a good middle ground imo by offering a reason and a small reward to use technical input as opposed to having no reason whatsoever like the first beta.

[@SomeOrdinaryViewer]

​@@fishswat1These are good points. I still wish there was an incentive to do the inputs during combos. I suck at fighting games and consistently mess up inputs, but doing them mid combo is very rewarding and I don't want that to go away. I know I could still use the directional inputs, but I want there to be a reason. Not a big deal in the end though.

[@Rationalific]

Excellent changes all around. The bravery points for Raging Strikes and other things of that nature act both to curb the spamming of them while also allowing the meter to be used for other things. It's brilliant (and I actually had an idea similar to that, but they really made it work in a great way). And the throws and inputs both get a kind of compromise that I think does not take away from any side at all, and just makes everyone happier. That's the best sort of compromise. For example, the throw tech window is shortened again...but you can "late tech" with any attack button within that short window. Those who like technical inputs care about the "first hit" (such as a punish, or fireball, or something along those lines) being slower to pull off for technical inputs than simple inputs, and the team gave technical inputs there a 10% buff. However, when already within combos, those who prefer technical inputs should not be at a disadvantage, so that benefit drops off as well. It's just about as perfect a solution as I can imagine.

[@Vizinho_FGC]

I feel like the cooldown penalty for easy inputs used to be a reasonable balancing choice as well

[@ShadowBlade79]

The fact that the devs LISTENED...........🤩

[@twilightleaf201]

This game is about to revive that FGer in me

[@DaikenFGC]

Dust off that fight stick first twilight…

[@twilightleaf201]

@@DaikenFGC yes sir...

[@ramkindalethal732]

its crazy how positive everyone is outside of reddit about the changes

[@DaikenFGC]

Oh did Reddit not take kindly to this? Lol

[@ramkindalethal732]

@@DaikenFGC from what I saw on gbvs reddit people are either happy or they like it but they would rather delete those cause the base game was "perfect"

[@thefreeburningspirit]

All I'm seeing are mostly positive reactions on the GBVS sub though...

[@phamtasticbaby6124]

0:42 I'm sorry, but that voice crack got me dead XD

[@Butterfreeftvr]

After playing the Rising beta my excitement for this game grows I also heard that they made changes based off the feedback from the beta so thats nice, I'm not picky when it comes to fgs I just love the different playstyles and characters I can use. Belial, Grimmir, and hopefully Euryale and Lucilius

[@Pihnes]

Did they increase character health ? If so, that's great ! A 6k combo just taking off roughly 25 % while it took 50 to 60 % in the old game.

[@Lil_ducky_forever]

They increased character health across the board for GBVSR

[@Faelitu]

You gotta remember that with the +50% dmg taken debuff with 0 BPs the dmg WILL be around 70% of your health in a full combo.

[@-ob9nk]

Ya the f2p aspect should bring in a lot of people since you have access to gran bruise, ranked etc and the characters available rotate so you can try everyone. I watched the stream and I'm liking the changes. I had a feeling they'd change stuff since they care about their GB franchise and really encouraged feedback regardless of if it was negative. However, I'm a bit shocked at how much they did and how fast. It's awesome and I'm sure it won't be the end of listening to feedback and making changes. Can't wait

[@DaikenFGC]

That F2P version just really shows how much they believe in the product they are repacking so it give me a lot of hope for the future of this title.

[@renhardhalim]

They know this game had so much potential bcs how bad covid fk them up. I mean even with covid this game still manahe to get 2 seasons of dlc, now imagine with the current state of the game i can see this game will last for mkrs than 3 years

[@shir0_nek099]

I think the seccond beta will be on first week of November, it would be strange to have a beta 20 days from release..

[@DaikenFGC]

I’m still surprised they just didn’t announce the date here since we are so close to have release. The beta has to be in a few weeks

[@comboer3334]

That 10% boost from technical inputs outside of combos is gonna bring some crazy zoning gameplay to the table. That 50% damage boost with no points sounds like its specifically from using a sky/super sky art on someone. Unless there was a mistranslation im not sure why people think it applies to overall damage, that would be crazy.

[@gl1tchmast3r43]

DAIKEN BACK WITH ANOTHER BANGER

[@ZettaSlow]

He's alive! What's good, Daiken?!

[@DaikenFGC]

Whats good bro! Hope you been well yourself man

[@hyper_pyro]

I'm just happy that my Katalina mix is back

[@gavinharkleroad8388]

Thanks so much for going over this in english lol needed that hype asf for this game

[@JaeGroove]

I’m happy with changes being made, I’m actually excited for the release of the game 🙌🏾

[@at_msk]

Lets gooo it’s been a minute

[@DaikenFGC]

That school life bro lol. This my last semester tho so back on the grind frfr after I graduate

[@Imbrisea]

I'm so excited

[@DaikenFGC]

Same! Can’t wait to get my hands on the game again

[@serenity3157]

Dang Anila looks fun. Cant wait for this game.

[@DaikenFGC]

She’s playable in the beta so try her out if you get the chance!

[@incrediblehak2833]

I really wish the sound design was updated. I hate that the slashing people with blades sound like a normal punch. Other than that, game looks amazing

[@Jurgir09]

Wow, that's turbo L. I hope at least modders will fix that

[@nachobear5100]

Can we just have a normal throw system? This is just Throw OS central with an attack counting as a tech.

[@raikerthedestroyer4092]

I’m still very shocked as to why keep the November (AKA around when the game comes out) second beta it gives them very little time to do anything, depending on when it comes out (as it’s only 29 days left as it comes out on the 26th so what? Super early first week of November beta time) I’ll take the wildest of guesses and say nov 8th at the earliest to maybe 15th at the absolute latest. And it’ll probably be over a weekend but it’s not giving the devs a whole lot of time to fix or work on anything before it fully releases, like if anything October should’ve and would’ve been the perfect month to give us the second beta.

[@shimashima5332]

Why does the person stopping the raging strike lose two BP? You lose more for stopping the thing so wouldn't people just be spamming it to deplete the opponent and who get it off first basically get an advantage?

[@Faelitu]

They're very easy to react with spot dodge. If you get hit by it, you deserve to be in a disadvantageous position either that being comboed or having to use another BP to get out of it. There is also the fact that SBA and SSBA gives BP back, so not a big deal spending there in a combo to get those back.

[@eubug6981]

It's two becouse they lose one for guard break and other for stopping it

[@Alexavian]

I am sorry but the issues of ex moves no kding and not being able to chain combo from lows has me staying far away from this game. The knockdown nerfs hurt okizeme characters massively, safe jump characters and kills momentum for me so hard. It's a RIP for me.

[@psykenroyale]

Lets goooo!

[@njnjhjh8918]

Doesn't matter to me, cause I haven't played enough to learn anything cause I'm on PC, super excited for Nov 9!

[@StarBoxz]

I hope they keep hard knockdowns for ex moves. The nerf to knockdowns was just unnecessary and it hurts okizeme characters.

[@yangshindo8664]

all the changes are really good

[@capefeather]

For me the main barrier to playing a new fighting game isn't the price but the space on my poor tiny SSD from 2017 lol... I'd have to delete one, maybe two of the bigger fighting games I have on there right now. The problem is I'm actively playing all of the bigger games so it's like...

[@AAAAnca]

Nothing i really dislike about what they're changing so far. Everything they change and/or add just hypes up the game more for me. I still want technical inputs to have more benefits though. Another thing is that i'm bummed with is Djeeta' SBA specifically, because the new input rules seem to just make her SBA the stronger version everytime, without the need to input the followups, and no matter how you input the SBA. I really wish i was wrong about this tho. Personally i think they should make it so that you get all the followups no matter what, but you still can time the followup inputs to buff the damage.

[@adityakrishnawestjava9201]

Perhaps in the next time in a full game release, the gameplay must be changed again & also must fixed, i love GBVSR, the looks cool & i love the gameplay is very good, well im hope GBVSR, will be release in a physical version, digital version will come soon

[@jjsolo28]

Do we have a date for this beta?

[@DaikenFGC]

Just November for now. I’m honestly surprised they didn’t just say the date here considering we are so close to it.

[@jellyfish8643]

How is the normal version different from the Rising version? Is it a separate game?

[@pedrohenrique-db3xd]

It's a separate game, it will have a f2p version with rotating characters and full online features, and the full paid game with everything.

[@tchbast1661]

So, if there is a beta in November, does that mean the game won't be out for November? like, the realease date is in November. Will it be delayed?

[@DaikenFGC]

release date is still on November 30th there has been no change to that

[@KidArkx]

My guess, the beta will essentially be the full release. They're just trying to make sure the servers dont explode day 1.

[@Rikuto01]

BP system changes are going to make this a very slippery-slope type of game which is pretty rare for modern fighters. In an age where FG devs have pretty much universally become pussies, pandering to the idea that they are required to make a game as forgiving to the inferior player as possible, they have inadvertently just made a REALLY good decision that will lead to some very consistent results and, above all, lead to rational decision making during combat. They took what was essentially a modern crutch mechanic (yuck) and made it something you REALLY don't want to have to use if you can avoid it. Honestly I'm all for it. If they actually stick to their guns this could be really fun.

[@CheddarGetter]

While on an execution level, devs have been dumbing things down. In terms of the complete picture they have been increasing the complexity of other things like resource management and the mental stack. And good players are still going to thrive in systems like that.

[@Unbelievable47]

The changes had me soo hype, enough to pass on Tekken 8 for this!

[@obeytheBUG]

You’re smoked!

[@Harperd5]

I’m sorry but I’m not 100% sold on the break point changes. I’ll see when the beta comes out how it’ll feel but something tells me this is going to be abused a lot

[@raionbomber75]

Most of these changes are great. I just feel like technical input reward aint big enough.

[@cesare4214]

They would have had the perfect game and lots of new players. But the old fgc nerds started crying and the devs gave them 10% more dmg for motion inputs. Another developer not knowing how to move forward. Its a shame. The wait for Project L is going to be even longer now. Arcsys doesnt get it, Riot will deliver the next big fighting game. This game will do ok for a month or two.

[@elgnarfowo2678]

Pls go get some help, take some therapy

[@ghaul4292]

Just spin the stick, bro

[@cesare4214]

@@ghaul4292 nah its ok i play with 10% less dmg. Doesnt matter since its just a placeholder for Project L

[@heythatsme5000]

Late af i gave up on waiting for this shit

[@DaikenFGC]

Game right around the corner bro just wait a little longer lol