5K iRacing Fan Boy Tries Assetto Corsa - Can It Compete with the Best Racing Simulator ?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Comparing a $6 simulator to a $600 sim is totally fair ...

[@nuu3085]

The FFB sermon: so predictable. So you got to 5k iRating without knowing "where the tires are at". Probably a world first

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

​@@nuu3085 yep you can play any sim with no FFB if you want to and just memorize what you can and can't do. The Amazing thing with ffb is it gives you a range of information to make finding the limit way more initiative and way quicker requiring much less trile and error and massively ruducing the chance of just binning the car and having no idea what happened.

[@Litl_Skitl]

Funny thing what you've said about the grip is that 17psi is fairly underpressured for the MX-5. I forgot for Brands but the pressure for Laguna is like 20psi. That might also play a part in why it feels like you have less grip. Also wrong alignment in stock setup.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

​@@Litl_Skitl AC is like that with all cars though relatively speaking even with optimum track grip and perfect car setup. I think it's why lots of people that don't play AC much think of it as being sloppy and understeery compared to iracing , as they are used to more initial bite and more lift off oversteer and turn in from brake before the car is on the tires. They also ignore FFB and go into corners too hot and because of how you have to drive in iracing they don't know you can get the car onto the tires and then things actually drive as if you have more grip than iracing.

[@demkon]

ive spent way too much money in iRacing and I completely agree with him. If you want to boil down the whole video to ffb sermon you are mission a couple other big points.

[@nevillemolokwu8598]

I drive in real life and honestly I can say the way the cars in AC “dance” on the tyres and the way you can feel and make adjustments feels very realistic. It feels mostly like you’re actually on tyres

[@RJ-cq8dd]

AC was the first game for me where i actually felt connected to the road.

[@danielstokker]

AC is good but gt3 racing started to bore me to death the game needs way more to do i just cant be stuck in 1 type of car

[@RJ-cq8dd]

@@danielstokker Thats ACC, not AC.

[@timmyscurr8269]

@@danielstokker well then you should stop playing ACC and start playing AC and you‘ll have every car in existence and even dinosaurs you can drive

[@oktc68]

Until you bounce off the curbs

[@HiroKone]

That's the reason I love AC so much more over iracing. In iracing I am scared of the limit. In AC I am encouraged to go to the limit. And it's fun there.

[@SiQuemaCuhh]

It probably only feels that way because in iRacing you know you get punished for mistakes so thats always in your mind during a race. It brings a depth of realism that you don’t get in AC. If AC had a rank system it would be the best sim

[@HiroKone]

@@SiQuemaCuhh Sure iRacing is more punishing. But that's not what I mean. I haven't played it in a while but except for very high down force cars I never felt as confident or comfortable on the limit like I said. It depends on the car but I think its true. Catching the oversteer and being able to play with the car gives confidence. Also that god awful tire noise honestly trips my brain up. xD

[@Therearethings8148]

@@SiQuemaCuhh This is not a realism. This is too low grip in Iracing.

[@cut671]

You shouldn't be going over the limit in a car. That's the entire point of racing. Finding the limit and staying under it to keep complete control of your car.

[@metasaurus3233]

@@SiQuemaCuhh iracing is more punishing than IRL though, every pro driver says iracing exaggerates how easily a car would spin out or lose control.

[@izzieb]

Assetto Corsa has the Suzuki Alto and a drivable cat. Nothing else can compare.

[@porkpie2965]

And a T-Rex...

[@Dlck.C.Normous]

Don't forget the Transit van!

[@RallyAddict555]

@@porkpie2965 and a driveable fujiwara tofu store

[@Stason_Creations]

And a drivable bath tub with a steering wheel

[@FightCain]

And a tank. On the Nurburgring.

[@FreakyLeek]

Sorry, I can only take a 6k driver's opinion seriously.

[@TomTheSurgen1]

Oh dear. I racing fan boy right here

[@FreakyLeek]

@@TomTheSurgen1 It is a joke comment.

[@pasteghost428]

Right. And only a 13 inch epeen need opine to me.

[@alfyb4512]

@@TomTheSurgen1Always sad to see a good joke go to waste.

[@j13nkz]

😂😂😂 then take my opinion since I’m lower then 6k setup lol I have g27 with a g29 shifter and a eBay handbrake, I’m on the lowest budget everything as possible and my opinion to assetto corsa is assetto corsa is easily adaptable to real life drifting, I have no opinion for racing lol, I ain’t a fan of racing hahaha, I’m more into drifting and tandems haha 😃

[@RudiOnRails]

Been playing AC for years. Hearing everything he feels through the wheel is astonishing. All I feel is steering wheel goes brrrrr

[@s3nTer]

I know right? "I can feel the rear tires sliding, I can feel my suspension bottoming out, I can feel rear passenger side doors, etc etc".

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

@@s3nTer and when his tea is done obviously

[@themrwinston9570]

it really depends on the wheelbase and the settings. i've got it now where i can feel individual flatspots in my tires

[@macho7409]

Its all bs

[@themrwinston9570]

@@macho7409 have you tried it with a good wheel and proper settings? i can assure you, it's not bs lol

[@venusmotorsport1413]

Thanks for racing on our MX5 server! Always welcome back. Glad you had fun! ❤

[@tigerbalm666]

AC is a wild public school vs iracing's paid private school experience!

[@hibye-jx3dy]

Lmaooo never heard that comparison before 😂

[@Kyntal1]

facts

[@TheRealEclipse1]

That is 100% accurate lol

[@theturkishrider]

very accurate statement, well said

[@TheWhills]

Does iRacing have a drift community?

[@speedvr829]

Let's not forget the following: Better graphics in AC. Better VR performance. Does not cost ANYTHING for new cars/tracks in AC. Great video. Bboy.

[@choppe8228]

true but iracing feels soooo good

[@alexalt2888]

Yeah especially when the monthly subscription comes out of the bank even after dropping $200 just to play nascar@@choppe8228

[@MrKrampyHands]

Yep I will stick to AC the cost of iRacing is insanely hard to swallow man plus I love using my HP Reverb g2 and I love drifting iRacing isn't the best for drifters but AC sure is

[@ミニシュ]

and has Touge

[@ThatLoudLad]

@@MrKrampyHands You can literally do ANYTHING in ac, for ultimate edition £9 and endless mods mostly FOR FREE. Sign me up, I ain't paying 12 quid a month just to keep play a game for a couple of races haha

[@ramsaysg4251]

I hate myself for it, but I have to agree with GM. The way the throttle directly affects the car trajectory is so subtle and nuanced & natural than most other sims.

[@SlyNine]

But is it realistic? Just because you think it's more realistic doesn't matter. What is the objective data.

[@VickyDreamz]

@@SlyNine it is realistic

[@42earthling]

@@SlyNine See Niels Heusinkveld, he has done a video with the data of most sims about two monts ago.

[@Wolfe_No.13]

Driving F4 in real life vs F4 in iRacing vs F4 in AC. AC is 10000 times better. the tires have grip, you can feel the difference a little on and off line with your grip, and its really good. the tires dont just randomly slip away like the can in iRacing and in iRacing the fall away without any sort of tell.

[@TrueKivan]

My Asseto Corsa folder is 217 gb large. I don't believe any sim compares to the sheer amount of content it has covering every aspect of motosport you can imagine, with stuff ranging from arcadey to super realistic. It can trully do anything you want it to do. And it is super friendly towards peripherals, I bet if my hair dryer or washing machine came with usb connectors I could map those as input as well. I bet you could race using guitar hero guitar or a dancing mat if you tried hard enough. And it could run on a total potato while still looking like it released last year on a good machine. Kunos trully struck gold with this one! Oh and it costed me 90 cents for ultimate edition, it is very often for sale at 90% off. Absolute unit Chad performer right here.

[@kalrith4028]

CM has a compression tool built in. Its somewhere in the tools(I think) menu. If my ac folder was uncompressed I would have about 170gb but with it compressed its about 70-80 gb

[@TrueKivan]

@@kalrith4028 amazing, so in reality my installation is massive. Great to know, time to go for another mod huntdown

[@ToyotaMotorola]

The only motorsports I can think of it struggling with is rally and and anything motorcycle related

[@Gr00t]

Blows my mind that something like lfm hasn't taken off in AC. The cost, ease of modding and large playerbase should be a winning combo and allow it to thrive.

[@Hamisxa]

AC2 is supposed to release late this year or early next year

[@hmp01]

totally agree, plus the player count is miles above other games

[@MrKlawUK]

the modalicious nature possibly makes it hard to have a solid baseline for multiplayer

[@steelin666]

LFM isn't the first attempt at that kind of service. It's a bit of a mystery why LFM in particular caught momentum. Starting with a tightly packed, highly populated game that only needed a well-designed and properly curated ranked system on top of it is probably one of the reasons. AC, while cheap and popular, isn't really used to race by a majority of players. It grew to be more of a car sandbox, where you can put together any kind of combo and mess around.

[@linomanuelcarreira]

Also theres plenty of those in AC already

[@extremeencounter7458]

Yea I find it interesting that people say iRacing is more realistic, when in reality you don't just spin out of control the second you lose traction. And just by the feel, it seems many of the Kunos cars are characteristic to the real-life counterparts, just based on track times and reviews

[@thecevi9179]

I decided to hop into iRacing in middle of 2023 after playing ACC and AC for maybe combined 300 hours or so. I downloaded basic maps and cars. Checked videos how to drive and brake in iRacing and set up my wheel according to someone who plays the game. And it was trash. Only base car that felt someone fine was formula vee but mx5 that I wanted to race in felt so bad compared to AC I had to switch to vee and still gave up after few hours. I also tried Cadillac gt3 car or what was that and that felt somehow even worse. I bet racing system in this game perfect but I’ll stay on my cheap games for my kind of playing

[@alexstavik]

Its trash bcs you cant handle the sim. Based of your experience you didnt even try. But hey, you probably more knowledge then every f1/gt3/4/lmp and other irl drivers who play iracing​@@thecevi9179

[@extremeencounter7458]

@@thecevi9179 Yea I don’t really get it. It’s supposed to be the quintessential driving sim, and pro drivers claim it to feel good when at the limit, but I refuse to believe that because no car at the limit just loses control the way it does in iRacing. Even watching the videos of the guys who practiced on Assetto then went on track, they say the Miata / FRS was practically identical

[@gigiamoroso3066]

@@extremeencounter7458 This is where you differentiate between men and boys, acc is much easier and less realistic than iRacing, which is why most real racing drivers choose iRacing :)

[@extremeencounter7458]

@@gigiamoroso3066 Said nobody with a functioning brain ever lmao, try again

[@johndifool2985]

11:27 No surprise to hear him discuss how iRacing is often like "driving on snow" and how there is typically a point of no return where you can't bring the car back. That's legacy code from NR2003, which iR used as it base physics model, much of which remains within the code.

[@Simlife101]

Sounds like a skill issue to me.

[@Broodjemetbeleg]

@@Simlife101indeed, the iracing devs should definitely be better.

[@Simlife101]

@@Broodjemetbeleg nope. I haven't lost a car in a very long time in iracing. The days of ice racing are over. The only reason people don't race ir is due to being poor

[@eliasali9383]

@@Simlife101 or don't like racing online, or want better graphics, or want mods.

[@ThiccRicc]

@@Simlife101 it's still ice racing

[@Michelsen3K]

AC is a blessing for all vr user. Sure iracing does a good job as well

[@TurboV8boi]

Which headset do you have bud? I'm putting sim parts together now and I'm going straight to VR.

[@Michelsen3K]

@@TurboV8boi reverb g2.

[@Wangan_W]

@@Michelsen3K The Reverb G2 is so clear. I just wish the FOV was wider.

[@unovox]

So true!!!! Nothing compares to the FFB in Assetto Corsa! Thanks for letting other people see how true this is......

[@rolux4853]

Rfactor2 is so much better! It has the absolute best physics and FFB in consumer models! The only thing better is the industry solution Rfactor pro! I can not play iRacing because it’s so damn bad! You can play iRacing with a 200€ setup because it doesn’t make sense to have better equipment with the ridiculously bad physics in iRacing. If you have a real racecar you can’t ever take iRacing seriously!

[@marijn17s]

Imo the AC ffb sucks so much. Crashes break your wrists and ffb in the corners is just weird and jittery plus they added way too many unnecessary effects into the ffb that annoy me compared to the simple and realistic smooth ffb in iracing. ACC also has some of those effects but is still better than AC

[@rolux4853]

@@marijn17s hey man, I have a real racecar (bmw e36) and driven formula BMW and the BMW M6 GT3, it will definitely break your wrist if you spin, slide wrong or crash.. Also you feel banked tracks and potholes, patches, curbs etc a lot in the steering! The problem with AC is, that it transmits things to your hands when they should be in your butt in a real racecar. But iRacing is even missing all those things and the physics are horrendous! There’s no tire slip and leaning the car onto the tires, which is everything in a real racecar. It really disappointed me since I wanted to have the online races of iRacing, but it is extremely disappointing with real racetrack knowledge.. That’s why I’m set on Rfactor2. I experienced Rfactor pro in a 6 axis simulator (I’m a engineer for a German car manufacturer) and it was breathtakingly good! Rfactor 2 is the thing that can feel still good with only a normal wheel setup (fanatec, sinucube etc) and not a full blown industry simulator that costs a few hundred thousand euros..

[@unovox]

@@rolux4853 why?

[@unovox]

@@marijn17s why are you trying to change my opinion?

[@houseking9211]

For me the things that settle AC1 as my favourite sim is being able to drive whatever I want, wherever I want, with extremely dynamic feeling cars

[@Shwobblywobbly]

I tried AC and was sceptical, but after getting into the GT86 i was like, damn.. that thing is slow, feels heavy and sounds exactly as trash as my car.

[@Azurantine81]

The iracing fanboy comments were so predictable, made me chuckle, great video, thanks

[@BassCannon1]

Hey man! Looks like the MX-5 Brands Hatch server you joined is the one I help manage! Hope to see you around the public servers again soon!

[@Atticvs32]

So it's just as it's always had been: Tyre model AC>iR, Vehicle dynamics iR>AC, Tracks AC=iR (both laser-scanned), Kerbs iR>AC, Multiplayer iR>AC, Costs AC>iR

[@thebigcat8312]

Thanks for this quality entertainment Mr Muscle , I always love watching you try hard not to be the greatest AC fanboy of all time (and failing)😆You can pick up AC complete with all DLC for £5 if you shop around, what a bargain ! iRacing costs a bit more . . .

[@John_Boy7]

Only a little bit.

[@AmauryChihuahua]

almost no difference

[@ironfist4457]

iRacing = spend a shit load of money over and over on a game running an engine from a 2003 Assetto Corsa = buy the game and you can play it and mod it for free

[@keyserni]

Of the two real life GT3 drivers I've asked it's been AC as best sim. Both have mentioned that their team sim setups are custom versions of AC.

[@davidchapman3042]

Im no driver or anything just a casual sim guy in india, went to a track in coimbatore(the only second track where u can race and find single seater cockpits) took a lowly old f4, told the mechanic all the wing adjs,camber,alignments off Ac setup and best believe i won the race against experienced track knowing ppl w a 26s gap,neva felt as euphoric ever in my life and probably neva will, the guys after race were gobsmacked and were asking me all sorts of q and thought i was some super talent or sumthn, Ac is truly second to none, there’s no other sim that gives you that level of connection to the road and feeling of sitting on actual tyres.

[@jeff4r533]

and having LFM now in AC is just the BEST THING!

[@RealKolasi]

the best thing with AC is that you have everything, you got Formula, low hp, highway, free roam, drift, rally. when i get bored of one, i can just move to the other. makes the game way less repetitive and fun.

[@Tom--Ace]

I drive a Maserati Gransport in real life, and often hard. My experience is that reality is sometimes snappier than AC, but if you react quickly, easily caught. It feels nothing like iRacing, which feels like driving in the rain all the time Having said that, neither quite captures the sheer brutality of what many consider only a "moderately" quick car (0-100kmh in 4.7 seconds, 0-200kmh in circa 16.5 seconds, max speed 290 kmh) You'll hear many people rubbishing a Maserati granturismo (granted it was slower than my car, it's predecessor) or even the granturismo S (about equal to my car), but behind the wheel those cars are BRUTAL To summarise I would say in real life quick cars snap faster than in AC, but at the same time, because you feel everything much better, it's actually EASIER to drive fast iRacing's tyre model feels more inspired by grand prix legends than reality, which, granted, is where it mostly all began for serious PC simracing and was my first serious Sim (Indianapolis 500 doesn't count lol), but having had the benefit of much more experience of fast real cars, AC seems much more realistic to me (and I really liked it from when I think Kunos first released just the Ferrari 360 test demo that preceded AC)

[@agentofenhanced2428]

i drive and track a Giulia Quadrifoglio and this is my biggest problem with these sims as well, ive spun out so much in ac,acc and iracing and managed to save it but in real life if you slide or start spinning out it happens so fast like a snap and its insanely hard to correct it and most times impossible, ive been lucky enough to not damage the car since the first time it happened i havent pushed the car to the limit anymore

[@Bankai90]

@@agentofenhanced2428 I've not a typical sports car. But my car has 450hp and I've driven it on any weather to the max. I do enjoy iracing simply cause it's easy to enjoy multiplayer. But playing iracing I don't feel like I become a better driver. To do better in iracing I have to learn a GAME. While in AC most movement feels WAY more natural. Also more brutal. AC you can feel like you playing an actual car. Iracing is just a oldass arcade game, but fun cause of multiplayer experience

[@doot6516]

Glad to see more people starting to enjoy assetto again!

[@martinromocubero4114]

Assetto Corsa taught me drifting a real car without any knowledge of doing it in real life, just a sad G27 and a mid-end PC. If that's not reallistic...

[@NacomBro]

15:45 Looks like he was getting impatient to get his spot back, what a punt.

[@rafaelplacce]

"hold back driving" is the best description that i've heard about Iracing

[@FurryestX]

Atleast in AC my eyes are not in PAIN

[@coreymoore01]

My buddy got me into AC just yesterday - got me linked up with the Low Fuel Motorsport content. It blew me a way - I stick to ovals on iracing for the most part - but when I did road racing on iracing i always felt it was far too of a "calculated" feel. Like there was a formula you had to know to race a road track well. With AC I felt like I could actually feel the car and react to it. Definitely going to be spending some more time on it now.

[@Jamic9]

I see that you continue to annoy and alienate fans of IRacing. All I can say is well done and keep up the good work.

[@ramsaysg4251]

😂

[@chickey31]

Please give us decent Multiplayer! I would drive this every day if we had a ranking system.

[@Cagefighter]

People been saying that for 9 years, always kills me 😂😂😂😂

[@TheRivalryDrifting]

honstly all a rank system dose is make the people that are gonna take you out on t1 also be fast

[@cal50x]

There is LFM now :)

[@nicolasoliveira4903]

​@@cal50xWhich depends on paid mods :/

[@Arcane808]

I can't step away from iRacing, but you're completely right about tires sticking in the corner entry, the balance seems much better here with AC

[@17peteclarke]

I play iracing because of how competitive and large the playerbase is. every 2 hours there'll be at least 200 people in the vrs sprint, and the endurance races are ridiculously populated too. also chose it over acc because it actually has nordschleifer, and doesn't need a third-party to sort out their multiplayer

[@vgaportauthority9932]

This is why I just don't play multiplayer outside of iRacing. Once iRacing showed everyone how it's done OVER TEN YEARS A GO it became harder and harder to cut other racing sims some slack in the multiplayer department. iRacing and GT7 for me if I want to go out and play with others and I don't want to schedule it a week in advance..

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Yah , I other sims should have copied iracing years ago in that regard to be honest.

[@pedrosilvaproductions]

The closest you get is raceroom which is great imo, but the ranked servers are generally not that much populated unfortunately

[@captainunderpants200]

@@pedrosilvaproductions On the other hand, I find Raceroom's AI to be the best to race against.

[@layingblacklines]

Yeah I think that's why most of us play it. Because in terms of physics it's 10 years behind everything else.

[@I_Like__bananas]

I have to get AC correctly setup on my DD1. It was by far the best feeling sim on the G27, the drifting is so satisfying

[@MrKrampyHands]

Yep easily the best sim for drifters I use a Moza R12 with CRP loadcell pedals with Moza shifter and handbrake it's so so good I absolutely love this combo for drifting I'm about to give my nephew my g29 and shifter plus my first wheel stand and get him into AC his parents just got him his first PC he keeps saying he wants the Forza wheel but it's dog water and made for 360 not modern hardware and I can save my sister money by giving it to him as a Bday gift

[@Two49]

Always hated the FFB in iRacing but just assumed it was because I suck. I mean I do suck but it's vindicating to hear someone like you explain why I don't like it 😂

[@tigerbalm666]

AC is far more fun than anal retentive iracing...AC is the wild west of sims! Just finished setting up my new Moza R5...Holy cow, DD is amazeballs!

[@winnythekahuna8073]

what did you upgrade from, just out of curiosity?

[@jamiemb17]

What specifically do you get up to on AC?

[@captainunderpants200]

Just did the same upgrading from a G29. It's so smooth and quiet. And STRONG. I know 5Nm is weak on the DD scale, but for me, it's plenty. I'm more interested in the detail it gives.

[@jamiemb17]

@@captainunderpants200 get the ES Formula Mod if you'd be so inclined, it takes it up another level

[@Slowerino]

@@jamiemb17 i up this. Once I tried ES Formula Mod , I never used original ES wheel ever again. Huge difference

[@ToyobaruAC]

6:45 sureee😂

[@yeetusdeletus9]

AC is pretty good. I got to rent a base 2016 mustang GT and rip it around Mosport DDT this summer. Recently i downloaded a mod for that track and drove around Kunos's 2015 mustang, and i want to say its about 85% accurate when on street tires. Terminal understeer on corner entry, easily oversteers on corner exit, soft and wallowy through elevation changes, and it can easily smash every single curb on track. However, the AC car has suspension thats a bit stiffer; there was more body roll irl. The same day as the mustang, i also rented a 991 gt3 RS, and of course i also tried it on AC as well after the fact. This car was 70% as accurate. The reason for the greater inaccuracy was the irl car had 4 wheel steering which was easily felt on the tight slow speed corners, which was amazing because it made the car feel so much shorter than it was, and the great tcs which i could feel braking individual wheels through a few of the corners. On my test drive, if i was able to turn off all the assists im sure the AC model would be a bit closer to the real life counterpart.

[@kotarojujo2737]

People who play Assetto Corsa mostly care only about street cars, unlike those elitist iRacing drivers who tell others to always be strictly 'competitive' and insist that all sim drivers should only drive GT race cars. They don't understand that some of us just want to play AC to chill and relax, not always wanting to be competitive racers.

[@ApexVGear]

I can't limit my driving to work within the confines of a physics engine, or rather keep it from going beyond the limits of the physics. Maybe there's good physics within those limits, but at the edge of grip and beyond, there's no realistic physics, if any at all. When I start performance driving a real car, I always push it into oversteer and understeer so I know its limits. I'm not really testing a car unless I'm making the tires chirp and squeal. Then in a competitive situation, I know if I can push the car outside of grip and if I can bring it back, as that may give me an advantage. in iRacing, you can't do that.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

The sheer number of iracers that berate me for pointing this out 😆.

[@Heldermaior]

Mfw I realized GM achieved 5k irating just to show how good Assetto Corsa is.

[@SuddenFool]

I picked up Assetto Corsa after learning about the mod Shutoko Revival Project where you drive high performance, low grip JDM's around the Tokyo Express way while traffic moves about you. It's so much fun, to just take a joy cruise on the highway, move to the side and let loose the engine hearing the turbo roar into work and moving through traffic, before letting off the throttle and settling in again. I got the Thrustmaster TX wheel and all though i don't have a drivers license, your comparison to go-karts struck right. In both AC and when driving Go-karts you do feel in the wheel where the limit of the tires are, and you can adjust as need be. Solid video mate. Cheers and all that, stay safe ye ? :)

[@namename8986]

isnt that all 1500 hp f1 grip shit mods with flame thrower exhausts?

[@thegoatmen7736]

No hesi and pushing p r pretty shit servers but the og shutoko servers have good realistic cars​@@namename8986

[@02bluehawk]

Best part about AC is the modding community. Always new cars and tracks to drive. Drifting in AC is hands down the best simdrifting out there for sure. And the drifting community is great

[@02bluehawk]

@sal50111 unfortunately I don't have any advice for fanatec settings as I run a moza however some basics is 900-1080° fast rotation and low to mild damper

[@Ziren-q9g]

I can't feel shit when playing AC. Only realize something when the car is already spun. Gonna stick to iRacing for life

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Your settings must be supper messed up AC has by far the most detailed FFB of all the simulators.

disagree, not sure why u feel this

[@WeJustDrive]

Great video mate, level headed overview and I enjoyed watching you go through that process. All I read lately are mid 40's guys on sim racing facebook groups that swear by iRacing and call assetto a "game" etc. I'm trying to get into iRacing, really giving it every chance to like it, but finding it very difficult. I'm a fast IRL driver, fast driver in assetto with tons of wins on LFM, and hopped in the Miata on iracing to compare and its just mind boggling. Where is the feeling? The first time I drove assetto it was incredible, the way the weight transfers and the tires load up and how you can slide the car felt just like I was driving my car in real life. iRacing any little slide greases the tires, you can't control it. NO forcefeed back feel.. its insane

[@RubberStig]

The biggest head scratcher for me is how Kunos went from AC FFB to ACC FFB and called that progress. I understand that ACC FFB may be "more like a real GT3 car", and that's fine, but I'm not actually driving a GT3 car in my simrig - I'm driving a simulator which is missing the fundamental G forces of a GT3 car - among other things! ACC FFB just feels baron to me compared to just about every other simulator's FFB. ACC just seemed to miss the point of what FFB is for. rF2 still has the best FFB. Pity it's a nightmare in almost every other aspect.

[@Simlife101]

@RubberStig it's running on a different game engine so it was never going to feel the same neither will AC2 for that fact. Its like playing cod then switching too CSGO they feel completely different due to the game engines being different

[@RubberStig]

@@Simlife101 I realise they use different game engines, but seems to me they changed their philosophy on FFB delivery. I tried to explain that in my original post - I guess I did so poorly.

[@ab8jeh]

"Hold back driving" is the perfect description of iRacing.

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

I even struggled with the FFord in iRacing, sure I can drive it, but it just never feels like I'm in control, and I spun a few times. And every year the story is the same. Try this car now, it is much better.. But I've never had a good connection with iRacing at all, I just don't understand it. Thankfully AC and AMS combined (when there is a sale) cost the same as one month of iRating.

[@AP-hu5qr]

Interesting take on the FFord in iRacing.. there's an IRL race driver on Twitch that got up to F2, and he keeps saying how realistic the Ford is compared to what he drove. Driver is Emil Bernstorff (www.twitch.tv/emilbernstorff)

[@johny79action]

I turn Kerb feel down to 2-3 makes a world of difference, glad to see how much you enjoyed the FFB after iR :). We now have Mumble app for proximity chat in AC.

[@JFL7796]

100% agree. On both ACC and AC I can feel the weight transfer and grip level better - as you say, it’s intuitive. In my experience the trick is to keep damping and/or minimum force low on mid range wheels so that this transition isn’t drowned out by the cornering force. When I put up damping it feels more like a real car but if it steps out I can’t feel it and generally spin, whereas with low damping the wheel feels a bit light in a straight line but I know the instant grip changes in the corners. Personal preference I guess

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

You can't feel the limit of grip in ACC that's just suspension compression , ACC has no dynamic range for the limit. You can test it by doing a long corner with car loaded up on one side and then go on and off the accelerator and you will see the car wash out with no change to FFB , outside of the track texture / bumps coming through FFB. ACC has a more forgiving tire model than iracing at the limit , but it has less dynamic FFB for the limit than iracing. Once you notice this it totally ruins ACC , you have to drive both ACC and iracing in the same robotic way of memorizing what the car does and then driving entirely preemptively , where as AC allows you to drive in the moment. But yah AC1 is on another level

[@Remzly]

This is why I love assetto corsa and continue to play it most days even after 9 years since it was launched. The great forcefeedback combined with awesome track & car combos makes for endless fun. I just wish a bit more people played on xbox to fill up the servers more 😅

[@notatroll6809]

Just started today! Brand new to sim racing, so taking it slow and learning.

[@codymay5301]

@notatroll6809 Awesome Assetto Corsa is a perfect place to start

[@andrewrobinson6258]

Hey buddy I've picked it up on the Xbox and loving it being a newbie. Let me know your gamer tag

[@Remzly]

@@andrewrobinson6258 Remzly1206 :)

[@mrwanderlive]

From what ive gathered AC really shines with with mod community

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Mods massively improved graphics ,but the cars and tracks built into the game are also great. For some reason it's a meme and myth that AC has to be modded to be good. Some of the cars built into the game are some of the best in simracing.

[@scgmike7805]

As someone who's an avid car enthusiast, iRacing is for a professional competitive private paid experience with real sponsors and events from around the world. AC, well that's for everyone else..

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

@@scgmike7805 Yah iracing is not a bad game , its physics just happen to have a huge floor in the most important place for a race car.. it's tires.

[@reyluna9332]

I loaded a very old mod of a jag prototype that would break the axle and collapse it, but the wheels would still spin. I slid into a wall sideways. Somehow, the rear wheels got pushed into the car and set at 90 degrees. I stepped on the gas and the car started to spin like a top, leaving circular skidmarks like doodles all over the road. The wheels really do propel the car.

[@robloyst4514]

Feels like driving on ice though!

[@jakubkrcma]

Before watching the video, I can tell you I love AC beyond death. Of course there are quite a few flaws. But it is totally useful as a training tool. And the value you get for your buck is just STUNNING. Countless cars and tracks. It is my dream come true.

[@teknastyk]

turns out.. turn 1 in monza is still deadly even if you switch sims :D a touch grass gets a whole new meaning in our world.

[@donpercent]

Average number of players: Assetto Corsa: 8100 😊 iRacing: 150 😟 Driving: Assetto Corsa: Like a real car 🙂 iRacing: Bobsled 🤣 Price: Assetto Corsa: $13 When in promotion for the Ultimate Edition (all cars and tracks) 😃 iRacing: ~$13 for a single car, ~$13 for a single track + an infinite subscription fee of $6 per month 😮

[@zzmadd]

I find your videos useful. I started sim racing just 1 year ago. I don't know iRacing as I totally disagree on the business model so it's not even an option. I barely know AC but when tested I preferred ACC FFB, and I possibly prefer RaceRoom / RFactor2 FFB. One thing though that I consider embarassing in iRacing is contact net code. Embarassing to see cars not even close one another take off in the air...With what you paty for iRacing you can get ACC, AC, RFactor 2, Race Room and if you like taking off in the air you can add Flight Simulator...

[@danielkral3046]

Long story short: I am not interested in online racing enough to justify paying for iRacing.

[@paulburtwistle5665]

Good video and I'm glad you liked AC as its still my favourite sim after 5 years of driving it. I also have ACC, AMS1&2, Raceroom, Project Cars 2 and an updated GTR2 and also spent time with rFactor2, which I didn't get on with. It seems that SIMS are subjective and open to personal interpretation as well as conditioning. In 2023 I spent a couple of months driving Raceroom only and I enjoyed it. However, when I went back to AC, I was hopeless as it's just different. After a couple of weeks on AC, driving Raceroom feels odd and I'm slow again...... I don't have an idea about what's good or bad but suspect that when you find a SIM that you're comfortable with, then stick to it rather than jumping between several (which I'm guilty of). Be a master of one, rather than a tradesman of several!!

[@Cmonbro444]

So many mx5’s were harmed in the making of this is video

[@charliebeckey6269]

I think the biggest thing AC FFB communicates is the yaw moment or rotation the car is undergoing. It's probably a slight opposite torque that increases with the yaw moment. Also a good experiment to see the difference with added effects to FFB is to try the unmodified custom, default and default plus profiles on Ams2. The first is just based on steering rack forces and the other ones add more effects based on car dynamics

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Yah AMS2 / project cars 2 ablity to actually let you fully customize FFB is a great way to help one understand how different FFB / ways of generating FFB can affect the driving experience.

[@MrKlawUK]

2023 Royal institute Christmas Lecture - tyre feel in simulators. Love it.

[@thomasgoldschmidt298]

Try Low Fuel Motorsport. That is an iRacing like system for Assetto Corsa and Assetto Corsa Competizione, started from the community and therefore free! You can support them as Patreon though.

[@SimInVR]

I went from Assetto Corsa to iRacing for better competition and cleaner driving; however, I enjoyed the physics in AC just as much, and the force feedback was excellent!

[@Curratum]

God bless your heart, man. You're the only English-speaking simracer I can stomach. Wait, that came out wrong. I enjoy your content (and opinions) and cannot stomach pretty much anyone else! :D

[@huambo]

I racing for me feels nothing like pushing a car, the smallest infraction and there's no saving it. Honestly Iracing is harder than real driving.

[@kristaps2010]

LFM on AC must have rating too? LFM been for ages on ACC it's been newly implemented on AC, enjoy guys, PS5 gamer here loosing out...

[@RayRiv73]

ACC>AC when it comes to sound, physics and feel of a real Sim. I just started sim racing and I am wowed by ACC.

[@MohamadAlwazzan]

I just started playing total agree with this video

[@JReaLBiz86]

So I know that the code for iRacing is built off of Papyrus Racing's NASCAR Racing games. As far as a stock car racing sim, those games are easily my favorite. But there is one major issue I find with those games, and it has to do with the tire feel you allude to throughout this video. It's very possible to find the edge of the grip and hold the car there through a corner in those Papy games. But it feels, for lack of better term, extremely dangerous to keep pushing to that limit. So, as you mentioned, you instead feel the need to "under-drive" the car in order to keep it under you. And if you exceed that limit, there's basically no way to save the damn car. This is not how cars react irl. Between tire flex, tire temp, and track temp, a real car may step over the limit, but a skilled driver can feel this, adjust, and bring the car back within the limit. Assetto Corsa has found that breaking point and allows players to walk that line with confidence. The only sim I've played that has it more figured out is rFactor 2, and... I mean... that's the best tire model in any driving game, period. Between the game's build and available mods, AC has become my favorite driving/racing simulator ever. Bar none. Race car drivers don't tiptoe race cars around a course. They push to 98% of the limit every corner. A simulator should recreate this sensation well enough that you KNOW when you're not pushing, and going a little too hard in a corner isn't a death sentence. Whether you're setting a hot lap on the limit or you like to throw a car sideways through a corner, AC has the physics figured out to where controlling your car is natural and intuitive. Now if only they could fix online racing... I'm so tired of only having 3 competitive drivers in a lobby with me and getting absolutely reamed in T1 by someone who forgot which pedal is the brake.

[@RoyCop]

Nice to finally see someone being honest about the Iracing/AC comparison. Yes AC is a great sim with a large driver base. The mod scene is insane too. Loads of free stuff of which some are very good. True, you need to find a good League, but even those are abundantly available.

[@gregnocco39]

and this is why after 3 years (and almost 4k rating) i ditched iRacing for AC. the driving feel is on another level and if you look in the right place you can find the same level of comeptition of iRacing, i personally play on worldsimseries (wich is embended in ContentManager) at the level of drivers there is super high. don't get me wrong, i love iRacing, what that sim do is incredible in terms of graphic optimization, multiplayer and physics/crash physics. wasn't easy to move past it, but tbh not sure i will ever go back.

[@deaf1030]

i can feel beautifull AC physic model even on gamepad

[@randomnamemab]

Juat started playing on ps5 controller woth script. The feel is amazing

[@Burnnskii_Gaming]

Most people who play the OG a.c play it for the modding community. Absolutely anything you could want to do there is a server/ mod pack to do it. Traffic, F1, rally, off-road, drift, touge.. the list goes on, And the amount of car mods is mind boggling.

[@iRacerUSAF45]

AC is focused on the game itself and does not have iRacing scope creep into forums, podcasts, UI changes, and their failure to lock down IndyCar licensing rights.

[@ambientsounds1416]

I'm the only player in the world who thinks AC feels like driving a bar of wet soap, iracing also tbh. None of these make me feel like Im actually driving.

[@NiederDrifts]

Have u considered a wheel settings problem?

[@SchotteJ]

tl;dr: I like the ffb in iRacing, but I don't think iRacing is worth the money. The thing is that what you're feeling in iRacing is what you would actually feel from the steering wheel in a car, which is not much indeed, but realistic. To explain why, I'd have to go into explaining the physics, but if you really want to know, you can find an explanation on Niels Heusinkveld's channel. In most other sims you also get a simulated seat of the pants (g-forces) feeling in the steering wheel, which will give you a bit more awareness of what the car is doing, but it's unrealistic and in my opinion also a bit distracting. I started driving in real life a long time before sim-racing, and the way iRacing is doing it, just feels right, to me. Then again I hate the pay-to-play arrangement with iRacing, on top of having to buy each and every little extra piece of content, too. So, I don't play it anymore, either.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Yes I have talked with Neil's about this In reality you can sometimes feel lots from the wheel and other times not. Iracing actually has a moderate amount of info from it's ffb , the problem is it can only reflect the tire physics which are really not very good. With tires getting stuck over limit in over heated state.

[@SchotteJ]

@@GamerMuscleVideos I have not experienced this in iRacing myself, but I've only driven the updated mx5 cup car in iRacing.

[@humblegeorge]

Good day Mate For me I find the far greatest component of Assetto corsa is the almost unlimited amount of modding support World wide.As a re-modder I have found it to be pure gold ! The ability to transform any vehicle into a dream come true for me far out shines online.The biggest downside I have found is the total lack of you and me racing as a team with AI cars as the rival teams.How can this be 2023 and that not being foundational ? Project Gotham Racing in 2002 had it ! And it was a total riot with my buddies on xbox live.Cheers to you.

[@farolitohernandez4392]

Unfortunately I cannot comply. Already subscribed and I refuse to unsubscribe. Apologies to all those affected by my decision.

[@pappyracing]

Congrats on 5k I watched some of your streams it was very entertaining. I'm going to have to try AC looks like fun.

[@defxed]

Damn, he doesn't even have the 2 point physics enabled and he's this impressed :)

[@Botmeister37]

I came for an AC ffb promotional video. Not disappointed.

[@markcampbell2364]

You should play Grand Prix Legends

[@sfentona3018]

In iRacing you have grip until you don't and it just snaps on you and 9 out of 10 times you can't recover from it. There are few cars which have great feedback but most of them just feel blunt.

[@JabbinJoel_Sc33p0]

the way ac feels through the feedback compared to most the other games on the market is wild actually. at one point i could nearly drift limerock with my vr off my head lol

[@drunkensimracer9039]

How i feel everything i boot up anything that's not rf2. Realism for some is king

[@labpong7562]

Good vid....I feel the same. Next could be 30 days of AC racing and then a quick drive in rF2. ;-)

[@CharlesK441]

Agree with everything here. GR86 is really good and a good step up from MX5. I gravitate to iRacing due to the league and endurance races I do. Why on earth can't iRacing sort the tyres and throttle mapping out. 😢

[@jazzdirt]

Kunos aren't mental.. they are Italian... 😇🤣 You're mostly telling me now, what I've been trying to tell you for years... 17:28 AC default setups are on the soft spungy and safe side... but you can setup your rear diff and toe and caster for a more reactive car... But you can then still feel what the tires are doing.. The problem with the tire model is that Iracing (Iceracing) was build on the GPL engine.. which had the same issue... and is also almost 25-ish years old now... I like to streetrace with traffic in AC a lot... Shutoko Revival Project is an awesome map for running with traffic and friends.. and with a bit of server modding you can race online with friends through AI traffic... Even thinking about it I can't get the grin of my face... And I've always been telling you FFB in AC is great.. for the driving experience.. I run in VR and sometime I forget I'm not actually in a car... And I actually start feeling acceleration and deceleration g-forces.. My brain just feels like it's floating forward if I'm braking... It's not, but it's the same thing as when you're in a train and the train next to you pulls out of the station... you get the sensation of going backwards (depending on you seating position)

[@kendyl814]

Great description that’s exactly how it feels

[@schnoe1875]

99% of iracer use apple products..think about it

[@ehigh24]

I am really looking forward to Rennsport to maybe be a modern game that combines the best of all the sim games. COPIUM!

[@JReaLBiz86]

Here's hoping that's the case. I'd love to have great physics, AND great online racing, AND a great rating system, along with great graphics. Can't wait for the day that a good looking racing sim that feels right and puts you in your skill class... y'know... happens.

[@Simlife101]

@ehigh24 you mean Rennsport who've been caught stealing physics and tire models from RF2 good luck with that

[@arata_akiyama]

then a years later " Asseto Corsa Evo " " Explore into Horizon and new engine into the heart of racing simulator "🗿

[@zoobi27]

Funny, I tried both iRacing and AC with "similar" cars...and yes it feels different, but IMO it's rubbish to say one is more realistic than other... i do find myself driving (racing) extremely different than any sim racing. I'm also maybe just one of those guys who can't transfer sim racing to real life IDK anyways feels so much different... I tend to prefer AC for it being "more arcade" and for HUGE modding support. iRacing more hardcore yes for sure

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I think iracing is more arcade as it doesn't support basic driving at the limit. The tires get stuck as soon as you do a moderate slide or push onto the limit so you can only ever drive in a premptive way , or into a one direction power slide. Basically iracing doesn't support one of the most basic aspects of car control. You should watch the official SR10 iracing video of the in-game SR10 and the real SR10 it's hilarious how clearly it demonstrates iracing tire model issues.

[@MrVlodato]

I think usingg 2 cheap bass shakers 1 for front wheel slip and 1 for rear wheel slip is very informative and almost impossible to go back to not using for me. I've never used iracing, i wonder if that would help you feeling the road more.

[@younghumphrey06]

Iracing actually has the best simhub support imo.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I have tactile transducers Iracing you can't drive on the limit due to the tire model it's not about "feeling" it the sim literally doesn't support it.