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[@CommissarGamza]

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[@jboydayz]

space maze 69😂😂😂

[@insaniam_convertunt_scientiam]

Lore channels before Warhammer+ : Could X survive in 40K? Lore channels after Warhammer + : Which 3d printer should you buy

[@InquisitorJack]

Good

[@h0ll0w0ne]

I approve

[@zhoupact8567]

What was warhammer again?

[@h0ll0w0ne]

@@zhoupact8567 It was a large blunt object, usually made of metal, at the end of a long shaft. It was mainly used for warfare but sometimes also for tenderizing meat and resolving domestic disputes.

[@earlbedfordjr83]

@@h0ll0w0ne mostly for.tenderizing meat and occasionally dismounting a rider off his horse.

[@powerarmorenthusiast1067]

Friendship ended with Warhammer 40k now Spacemace 69 is my best friend

[@earlbedfordjr83]

Why when I duck duck go spacemace 69 I can't find it?

[@bigmek2903]

Bruh i miss battle nations so fucking much

[@jeanniemaycrawford4466]

Is that a TTS reference?

[@Krisztus1Haver]

@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 no. But here is one, just for you: "Ever heard of Battlemace 42 million?"

[@jeanniemaycrawford4466]

@@Krisztus1Haver 😀

[@robingraves9517]

I was an engineer at a plastic facility for a while. I can tell you this much. The actual molding cost for models is cheaper than using a home 3d printer. That ought to tell you how much GW is gauging the average person on prices.

[@nicholaslowry2366]

Does that include wages and shipping? Do they have to change their casting process every time they produce a new model? Not trying to have a ‘gotcha’ moment just genuinely curious.

[@robingraves9517]

Ok,,Wages,,casting process etc. is pretty much about ( on average) pennies per sprue ( imagine if you will that a sprue takes about 30 seconds to cast) and mold cost ( yes molds are expensive to machine) and power requirements come to next to nothing since they are molding in higher volumes. As for the shipping out of country,,import and export taxes etc,,It still doesnt add up to 60 dollars for 5 models. Unless the purposely add in a very high cost for personal profits.

[@nicholaslowry2366]

@@robingraves9517 thank you for replying. It might be a bad idea, but would small batches raise the price by much? I noticed a lot of Gw products in this video were out of stock so I wondered if they just don’t make many to add a false scarcity to it.

[@robingraves9517]

I dont know their business practices. But normal companies dont act like GW. I know right now a lot of game shops I go to in the Atlanta area have a hard time getting orders filled. One even told me not to bother special ordering something they dont have since it will take six months for their distributer to even mention if something is coming in. GW shops dont have that problem. They get things other shops cant get in any kind of timely manner. Im suspecting that GW causes artificial bottlenecks on some models. Its ridiculous that costly molding processes are to blame. Its just bad logic to spend 1500 to 5000 dollars on a mold and then barely use it. With the customer bass they have ,I see crudloads of basic minis being made but even they cost astronomical amounts compared to manufacturing and shipping costs. I can see them being 20 to 25 dollars,,but 60 and sometimes 70 dollars for a basic squad of five or ten models? Give me a break. They act like no one knows how plastic molding is or how cheap it can be. I know the plastics they use arent the best. Ive seen Chinese toys made from better plastic. Back when I first started playing in 1990 they used better plastics when they didnt use metal. AND they were cheaper even given the rate of inflation.

[@MrNotBot]

@@nicholaslowry2366 It's mostly about the overall volume of product sold over a period of time rather than batches. The mold is the most expensive part of the process, and you need one made for each model that you're making. After you have the mold done the rest of the process is dirt cheap so there wouldn't be much difference in making 100 units or a 1000 units (compared to the cost of the mold). The less units you're making the longer it will take to cover the cost of that expensive mold, so it doesn't make much sense to make small batches. If a certain model is expected to sell poorly they might bring up the prices to better cover the cost of the mold, but they would still make big batches. Normally if you want to create a false scarcity you would make a ton of the models and then stuff them in storage, and slowly trickle them out onto the market.

[@ravener96]

those "unique walkers" are the makers cult. they pride themselves on the designs being independent, so no lawyers ever show up. they have lots of cool lines. feudal guard is pretty neat

[@user-xq9ox2xd3i]

The Feudal guard is literally why i started printing lol. My knight ogryn are bad ass.

[@maverickwildwolf3871]

Isn't sebtheis part of it? His dominion crusader did get him into trouble iirc

[@harambememorialpage]

Where are all these from??

[@ravener96]

@@maverickwildwolf3871 he is, but i havent heard of much trouble. most of the time its just takedown requests and seize and dessists

[@maverickwildwolf3871]

@@ravener96 aye that's what i meant. Really liked his imperial knights, was so annoyed when it got deleted

[@ihavenoname561]

"Do you want to go without food for a week and get the Titan?" Jokes on you, Gamza. 665$ is literally three months of minimum wage in my country, so I'll literally starve to death

[@B1-997]

Get the Titan and see if you can finish assembling and painting it before you die XD

[@ihavenoname561]

@@B1-997 Well, it depends. If it's a well done painting? I'll most likely starve first. I suck at painting

[@heartlessnobody1143]

Yes..... If i wanted to buy a 5 dólar anything, i have to not spend money for a MONTH including taxes and Basic needs, for shipping

[@andregon4366]

Starve to the death so you can buy a figurine. Now that's hardcore. It's not just a fanbase that would die for it, it's a fanbase that has to die for it.

[@klaykid117]

That's so funny because you could buy the printer and the material to print it for less than the actual Titan

[@Mendozam4]

If you can afford the entry fee of Warhammer 40k, then you can afford the computer, printer program, 3d printer, and filament needed to proxy and play with your friends. Even with the learning curve and models you will mess up inevitably, printing is cheaper.

[@chillax319]

It's far far cheaper in the long run. Especially for people outside of US with far weaker currencies. That 665 dollar titan, in PLN would cost me over 2 594 złoty. It's the average salary that you get after taxes.

[@B1-997]

That Titan here in Aus is about 1k, if I printed it it’ll cost no more than $50.

[@alexhulea2735]

yeah, well...... the only thing stopping me from making a fully 3d printed army is the fact that resin is HEAVY. a 3d printed knight is 3 times the weight of a GW kit. a 3d printed Lord of Change is 1 kilo before glue-ing the wings

[@chillax319]

@@alexhulea2735 Damn. Neckbeards now can use their precious models to beat someone into a pulp in a fit of auti rage.

[@kirkreynolds7978]

@@B1-997 Honestly a 3d printer and such is basically the same price point or even slightly less than a titan. So even if you don't have a 3d printer at all, if you're looking at something big like a titan, or even starting an army the resin printer pays itself off literally immediately. Especially considering that COVID and GW's poor practices have killed loyalty to a lot of stores. There is less holding people back now than ever.

[@kamerionsmith4551]

God I hate the "3d printing is too time consuming" argument used by shills as if they order stuff from gw, it shows up at their house instantly and it's always in stock

[@imperatoriacustodum4667]

Ah yes. Let me wait infinite years for this model to come back in stock while my friend here makes that model in less than a week at a tenth of the price. Shills are probably the people GW wants, not actual warhammer fans.

[@DavidMartin-lj8yj]

The time consuming part is only an issue if you are trying to sell your prints. If you are printing minis for yourself then its no issue.

[@aniquinstark4347]

Also they are ignoring the fact that paying money is the same as paying time. I'm either working my job for x amount of hours to pay for the minis I want or I can spend a few hours making them myself with a resin printer (most of which isn't even work, it's just waiting for the printer)

[@theonesithtorulethemall]

It takes longer to make the money sooo

[@ICEgoalieWARRIOR]

But it doesn’t even take long to print… with 2 resin printers, I can print all the pieces for 15 primaris space marines in about 5 hours… that means in 1 weekend I can print about 144 basic primaris marines. I can print a single dreadnought in about 3 hours. So, conservatively, in about a month you could print and assemble probably 2 full 40k armies. Seeing as most people would spend more than 2 months just saving up for, finding, and buying each model, it is both cheaper and less time consuming to print and assemble your own models.

[@shin1300]

Ahh yes space maze 69, where the emperoar is seated on the yellow chair guiding humanity to fight against orcks, eldir, chaostic, tirranids, and other shadow forces of the universe.

[@Noodles12001]

Don't forget about the T-ouch. For the better path!

[@B1-997]

A completely 100% original universe.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

In the grimdark future of 69, there is only fighting.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

And we have 4 chaostic Gods: Korn, Nudge, snitch and saloon.

[@Natacomb]

Dont forget the forces of Kaos. Zeensh, Corn, Slanoon, and Naggle.

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

Space Mace 69 doesn't have dreadnoughts, they're called "fearn't"

[@abelq8008]

Underrated

[@HarleyAssi]

You wrote "Die'nt" wrong. Fixed it.

[@ClayBoom]

Space Mace 69 have a patreon?

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

@@HarleyAssi they fear nothing, therefore, fearn't.

[@MortalWombat1988]

Back in my day, we made crappy little ghetto casts with quick-cast-resin, the mold we poured into old skin creme tins. Look at how far the whippersnappers nowadays have come.

[@alexejvecera6317]

How old are you?

[@user-sn5cx1yt6v]

Hey, we are still doing this with some silicon and smoothcast) craft of recasting is still alive

[@MortalWombat1988]

@@alexejvecera6317 33

[@alexejvecera6317]

@@MortalWombat1988 your not that old only 12 years older then me

[@MortalWombat1988]

​@@alexejvecera6317hah fair, I was really just joking. The key point is: People are making sick minis, and GW is getting fisted. Life is good.

[@MikeM-hf1qk]

Hero Forge has an option to design your figure, and then pay a small amount to give you a 3d printable file of the model. Why Games Workshop doesn't do this I will never know. Customize the pose and equipment, pay $10, get the file. People will pay the money multiple times to get space marines in different poses and all GW would have to pay is the cost to keep the program and server running. Lower barrier to entry means more players means more files sold.

[@six2make4]

They want your money, they don't care if you participate, they are the model company equivalent of a mobile gaming company, all they care about are the whales who spend their life savings on minis.

[@YaboitheCadian]

They are dumb and stuck in the 70s where they were the top dog

[@sketnemesie]

They don't want you printing your own models, why would they give you the tools to do it?

[@cgi2002]

@@sketnemesie exactly this. Printing your own models isn't 100% risk free, and selling designs to print them is stupid. GW own the copyrights and trademarks, they are known to be very litigious, they can and will sue anyone into oblivion who steps on their trademarks. And worst part is, should a company selling printable blueprints get caught, so does everyone they ever did business with. Dispite what some people seem to think, it isn't legal to print your own figurines, and should GW find out and not be feeling merciful (so, normal), the fines are litterally unlimited.

[@chazamon960]

i get your point but i imagine people will just put there files up for free even if they are a tenner, as most people like freebies, if so and they got say 20 variants of 1 model. 20 people make single purchases and uploads on any site and suddenly nobody pays for the custom models

[@Underworlddream]

Warhammer fans going to spite GW by flooding the market selling cheaper 3D printed alternatives.

[@frondreadz789]

Good

[@blackc1479]

And good on em for it. Im so sick of companies pulling dick moves. Power to the people lol

[@killmiky]

GW has the resources to strike at them eventually so better act quick I suppose

[@deadlotus4445]

Welcome to Capitalism

[@Uterr]

come on guys, its not that easy, as you think: 1 - printed minis don't have same level of detail, they could be compared to older models though 2 - resin is fragile material, plastic is far more stronger and easier to work with 3 - if we talk about anycubic printer and anycubic resin, then they made by Chinese factories, where workers have 200-300$ salaries, so argument that gw treats their workers bad is also no so applicable i have resin printer and i still buying gw models, because all of above, even recasted pises often better than 3d prints, its great instrument for own prototypes though

[@chillax319]

That price comparison is huge especially for non americans. Imagine if you had to pay, for that titan, 2 594 dollars. Insane pricing. But it's GW if they were sane they'd go with far lower pricing long time ago. As far as I remember it'd be far easier for me to get into meth addiction instead of trying to go for actual Warhammer 40k.

[@ihavenoname561]

Dude, the Titan alone is literally three months worth of minimum wage in my country. Liquid, no paying for food, rent, eletricity, water. Just the fucking Titan

[@joeyawiki3315]

@@ihavenoname561 That's 10 month of minimum wage in my country

[@chillax319]

@@ihavenoname561 That's why I think that Wh+ is not only going to be pricey but also it will not be even avalaible in much places but UK and US. GW never cared for anyone that can't afford their insane prices. They don't even care about people that are willing to pay them, so...

[@ihavenoname561]

@@joeyawiki3315 Oh fuck, that's insane

[@ihavenoname561]

@@chillax319 True, and if someone from these countries that até not avaliable wants to watch, besides WH+, they'll need to pay for a vpn as well

[@YOGURT1]

What was it. Space maze 69? Sounds like an interesting universe.

[@cloaker2829]

space mace 69

[@DaddyVeo1911]

Space *MACE* 69. You mook. But yes, it does indeed seem interesting.

[@valdish9620]

I'm up for making community pushed fictional universe called space mace 69, where everyone can make their own space faction and write their own stories and lore. Think something along the lines of SCP foundation, but with a space war fictional universe like Warhammer 40k and it's just a random clusterfuck where everything is canon.

[@bigbossshrek3327]

You mean battlemace 42 million?

[@YOGURT1]

@@valdish9620 I was thinking kind of like a SCP fanfiction base where books and lore is made but then voted on by a wider community to actually make it canon.

[@harlek1149]

It is absolutely artificial scarcity. Remember how Kodak stuck with film over digital? Same thing’s going to happen, and frankly I’ll shed no tears.

[@shemsuhor8763]

Film photography and development is, however, kind of a fun hobby and a unique skill.

[@alastair4839]

@@shemsuhor8763 I suppose one difference here is that people can just buy second-hand for a fraction of the price. I have never paid more then 4k for a car and I have never paid more then £200 for a phone (and I have never got a phone via any provider "deal"). I am certainly happy other people are doing this - so I can just roll a few years behind the market and have yesterdays best stuff. But GW models do not seem to drop in price.... and the demand for cheaper stuff is definitely there and is not getting fulfilled by GW or the second-hand market... well, until now I guess : )

[@alastair4839]

@@shemsuhor8763 oh I am not really complaining - just making a comparison/pointing out that its defiantly harder to get a WH40k model on the cheap. Sure you can probably find some good deals... but its not comparable to other second hand markets. I can litterally pick exactly the car I want and get it for the fraction of the new price. I am just pointing out that this is not true with GW models - so that might feed the need to print them : )

[@daniellindsey7025]

3D printers have been the future for a long time the fact that they never tried to improve it they could have made it worth it

[@DarkZerol]

A Games Workshop executive admitted a long time ago that they are literally selling overpriced plastic molds, they expect customers to pay such a high price due solely because of branding.

[@removedot]

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying 3d printing hasn't improved? Because it has a ton.

[@daniellindsey7025]

@@removedot They should have improved there product along time ago because 3D custom models where always coming sooner. Sorry made original comment when extremely tired might not make since to most people

[@USALibertarian]

Can Warhammer 40K survive the Spacemace 69 Universe?!?

[@minhducnguyen9276]

No, it's has bigger number so it must be more op.

[@martinfreemon7134]

No, the Emperium would get outnumbered, the Spacemace 69 universe is too good at optimizing the costs of their troops. A single one of their titans would have to fight against 33 Spacemace 69 titans of the same quality.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@martinfreemon7134 Yep, 1000 points for 50 bucks.

[@Kd320schannel]

If I still played 40k a 3d printer sounds like a good deal by a long shot. Maybe i'll come in when 10th edition releases next year.

[@GaelicMongrel2023]

That long? Well I suppose the pandemic slowed their release pace down a bit.

[@Hepabytes]

Too bad that's against the rules. :)

[@Gdsryrox]

You can make your own fairly easily. My brother made one during high school for a Design project, then made another one to give to the school to go along with the new laser printer they got.

[@joshuahill9793]

@@Hepabytes who cares? As long as you dont go into a GW official store your fine. Most hobby shops dont care

[@fakeandgay9592]

@@joshuahill9793 if your imitation skills are good enough I doubt they’d ever notice

[@joegott188]

are you planning on making SpaceMace 69 lore videos?

[@stTrooper-nf9dh]

Let's not forget the Divine-king of the human race, and his enemies the entropic deities.

[@gabrielandradeferraz386]

@@stTrooper-nf9dh *entropic forces of disorder

[@yeetcanyon5799]

With a single guard squad costing $45 (some of the weakest infantry in the game) I think spacemace 69 and I are going to get along just fine

[@SleeplessBanjos]

They also removes the 5 man cadian squad they use to have for 10 dollars to fill out infantry >.>

[@ezechielveloth6724]

when you see some companies like wargames atlantic selling 24 well sculpted men with a ton of options (192 heads :o) for 35 dollars and still making good profit GeeDubs seems really greedy indeed with their 45 dollars 10 men squads sculpted 20 years ago

[@cormoran2303]

"it's like a rubber ducky" Well, now I want a titan that squeaks when you squeeze it!

[@corradoalamanni179]

So kawaii

[@yuvalgabay1023]

Yesssss!!!!!!

[@voodooozo3755]

Vulkan approves

[@grandmoffrevan4933]

Tts Rogal would probably do it if you told him to

[@xm-1-24-b4]

I’m pretty sure there are rubber printers

[@arsenalxa4421]

I've seen rifles for cheaper than $665.

[@thehavoccompany-a3]

Fr, I've seen AR-15s for $300 to $400 at Walmart lol

[@randomkrieger2625]

@@thehavoccompany-a3 Same for Mosin Nagants.

[@MoreEvilThanYahweh]

@@randomkrieger2625 Moist Nuggets are outrageously overpriced compared to before they became a meme/popular online

[@randomkrieger2625]

@@MoreEvilThanYahweh Really??

[@mandeadd]

@@randomkrieger2625 you used to be able to get them for $150

[@Castillo525]

As an Eldar and Lizardmen player, 3d printing is the way for me, I dont like many of the 20+ year old models lol

[@MithrilRoshi]

Heck they have perfect Lizardmen models for it too from Warhammer total war 2. Dunno know how they thought no one would try it...

[@Castillo525]

@@MithrilRoshi they even made brand new lizardmen for bloodbowl that look NOTHING like the official range because they're so outdated. Its like they dont even try sometimes.

[@KriegLives]

@@Castillo525 do you like wraithblades?

[@Castillo525]

@@KriegLives have 5 of them in my current army

[@kamerionsmith4551]

Can you recommend a patron where I could find eldar proxies?

[@djanevski]

Lmao. Lmao. "Even if you wanted to rip yourself off.".🤣🤣🤣

[@inf3243]

So who else immediately googled for Space Mace 69 and made confused nerd noises at the 0 hits returned?

[@ArmageddonEvil]

Good lord that's a price difference of insanity, 645 dollars less!

[@003thezg3]

@@Eclipsed_Embers plus with 3d printer you can save a whole lot more money in the long run, 3d printer is becoming cheaper and better quality.

[@ArmageddonEvil]

@@Eclipsed_Embers Guess that's why the GW doesn't want 3D printed models in their store since they are pricks. XD

[@_courier7]

A difference of that magnitude stops me from having to sell my body on the streets I'm grateful that I got introduced to this

[@ArmageddonEvil]

@@_courier7 Agreed, but I wasn't much into models or anything like that. I was raised on Console gaming and not tabletop gaming. lol

[@Strykelife]

@@Eclipsed_Embers You would be right! Got my resin printer for $250. So that would be closer to half price. Though when you think about it. You also don't only have to print one titan. So if you were to print say....5 of them for whatever reason. That 5 would cost you $350 including the printer but save you $3225. Plus you get the satisfaction of showing off something you printed and painted up. From goo to big robot. Got some nice Krieg going that way since GW never wanted to stock them XD

[@lorzon]

And with this video, Gamza now has a photo up in all GW facilities labeled "Enemy #1".

[@gowankommando]

I love this 3d printing renaissance. 🤘 Thanks, Games Workshop!

[@setaripantheon8801]

Normal WH40k painter: *"I use oil finger paint for my models!* (Insert Ralph meme)

[@craigcutler6919]

My mouth tastes like burning

[@craigcutler6919]

I bent my wookie

[@AceOfBlackjack]

@@craigcutler6919 You bit your Woobie? The military blanket?

[@ZetsubouGintama]

3d Printers is like Tau Empire. Small but growing, better welfare, the old followers are starting to flock to them and the easterners are enjoying it because GW rarely set a shop in eastern so people there have barely exist official match and mostly enjoying a indepedent match.

[@MrGabilonia]

One more point: 3d printers ARE the greater good

[@shadow50011]

Proof that Tau were always the most based faction

[@ZetsubouGintama]

@@shadow50011 Base on what?

[@SleeplessBanjos]

I didnt know 3d printers enslaved your mind with pheromones' and slowly pulled the puppet string behind the scenes xD

[@theonesithtorulethemall]

And weard mind controling overlords who call the self the "greater good.. ahem i mean space maze69"

[@LordDoom10]

You could make a conspiracy theory that the 3d printing market is behind GW's behaviour, given how much of a push there has been to buy 3d printers in response to GW's actions.

[@benwilson1088]

Actually, I'm starting a world wide militia for the 2030's that utilize 3D printers to build equipment and it acts like connective tissue for the wide spread nature of the organization. This is just a stepping stone to get there.

[@mikevasquez1103]

Why would a Custodes dreadnought cost more than Gazghul Mag Uruk Thrakka?

[@Mate397]

Because space marines.

[@ivantsang2156]

Because game workshop chaos greedy prices

[@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051]

@@Mate397 yes but actually no

[@raymendoza6997]

Those are forgeworld models which they cast from resin not plastic but everything from forgeworld cost more for some reason

[@removedot]

@@tristanellis-mascoll1171 which falls apart when 3d printing is Resin and is the ultimate in bespoke production; so yes GW is extremely overpriced. You can also compare them to Bandai who have far superior plastic and production ability and far lower prices.

[@m3tr0id86]

Seriously the guy who made that last one could charge 30 or 40 bucks and stiff have a better deal than GW.

[@B1-997]

Heck people would pay up to a 100 if it’s painted like that too.

[@m3tr0id86]

@@B1-997 I know right? Oh crap! I didn't think if the Buttermilk Bobs will agree!

[@m3tr0id86]

@@B1-997 To be honest I actually have two masks (MK9 Smoke and a Noob Saibot) by Crafterfold that I wear that the two were about 70 to 75 bucks so your suggestion is still a good price.

[@involuntarytwitch9771]

Considering it takes a week to print and paint, I'm assuming maybe 3-4 days for printing in total. He would have to sell the unpainted models for about 200-250 for it to be worth his time. Which is still over half the price of Forge World's ridiculous prices

[@m3tr0id86]

@@involuntarytwitch9771 Even for that high balling it for 250 and low balling it for 175 would still be a better deal with all that being said. Just the model itself with no paint I would make it like 100 to 125. Mostly with quality like that at those prices would fly off the shelves.

[@kisukeurahara9214]

LMFAO (intensely low bellow of a tone) 59 DOLLARS AND THEY DONT EVEN COME WITH ARMS me and gf literally cackled for 10 min😂😂

[@CommissarGamza]

haha! I am glad you guys got a laugh, tyvm for watching and commenting! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@kisukeurahara9214]

@@CommissarGamza of course you make great content lol👌🏾😌

[@brutalastartes]

Steel armor and weapons for medieval reenactment are cheaper than the warhound titan. My 13th century norman steel sword was 160 euros , it is flexible , well balanced , pretty durable , took 3 months to make and still cheaper than a piece of painted plastic.

[@eliaslorenz8619]

you are wrong. a warhound comes unpainted. =P

[@tylerberg4832]

@@eliaslorenz8619 actually you are wrong he never said it came painted try again ;P

[@secretninja35]

He literally did.

[@jairovalverde5735]

I laugh every time I hear the name of this completely new and different sci-fi universe

[@logannigh1959]

The price gouging gw does is unbelievable, but the fact that they make the models unavailable is unforgivable. 3d print is only natural

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

They limit availability to encourage people to buy stuff and add it to their pile of shame.

[@dannyeccles1894]

Even taking into account the price of the actual printer and cleaning equipment, 3D printing is still cheaper.

[@Ephringael]

You know, someone could probably host a large Spacemace 69 tournament event and just allow people to use their 40k models as tournament legal proxies.

[@NuKulaRGeAr]

I don’t have a 3D printer (or the space for one) but it’s also pretty easy to find people to 3D print models for you online. I don’t think I’ll be too hard pressed to get any GW models after I finish paying off the stuff I have on layaway at my LGS

[@setaripantheon8801]

A 3D printer takes up the same space as an old computer screen.

[@antonioliles5027]

My local game store rents out their 3D printer. All I have to do is bring the CAD file, pay for the filament, and a small fee for the time to print. And I mean small fee at that. It come out to about a dollar an hour...

[@setaripantheon8801]

@@demon1103 sound like you need to get yourself a Tiny House on Wheels

[@jc7997aj]

@@demon1103 they have odorless resin and water washable resin. You can literally sleep next to it as its printing and be fine. All these over precautions are from people who have no understanding of reality. If you ran it like a bussiness 100 printers running 24 hours a day for the next decade then sure. But one printer even at 24 hours a day youll be just fine. Literally takes up less than a sq ft of space. Do it. Buy one. Your community needs you.

[@NuKulaRGeAr]

@@setaripantheon8801 yeah I know. Still doesn’t change that I don’t have the space for one lol. As soon as I can make the space for one, I’m probably getting one, though

[@jasonbolin151]

You are spot-on as to the creation of scarcity. I noticed it years ago when they advertise new boxes, new codexes they purposely decrease in sales stock with during the summer months then around October generate their hype then centered around their big boxes. Towards the end of October first of November everything back in stock just in time for holiday sales and a fiscal earning statement flush with cash at the close of the year.

[@Tomha]

In all seriousness if you're considering getting a Resin Printer... Keep in mind that Resin is poisonous on skin contact so wear proper safety gear. Also make sure the room you use it in is well ventilated. Resin isn't poisonous to smell,, despite the smell, but it can be a problem on like 10-20 years. Just open the window, turn on the fan and you're good. When the Printer makes the item, you need to wash it in alcohol (except water based resin) and Cure it with UV rays. I have a station for Curing and such for it. Some people set the models outside so the Sun can do it. I heard different people say they use different levels of alcohol. It's just simple rubbing alcohol. Manual suggests 95% and stronger, but I heard 91% is ideal. You'll wanna experiment and figure out what works best for you so expect errors to be made.

[@ICEgoalieWARRIOR]

@mandellorian you don’t call “toxic” control. You call “poison” control. The definition of toxic is literally “poisonous”.

[@zuko9085]

Specifically your body can develop an immune response to resin over time that can cause other issues with the immune system.

[@cowking1st]

If ya want to go one step further you could even abandon's GW's rule set (So you don't have to buy the expensive books) and play onepagerules version of the game.

[@shadowtempest2145]

Grimdark Future? I loved their ruleset

[@stevenwestfall7638]

Its hilarious that people seem not to notice that GW rules are released in a manner to maximize profit. They have been in the business long enough to know what works and shouldn't need to put out a new ruleset ever few years.

[@ScooterinAB]

You can buy a Warhound Titan, or pay tuition to a university for a 4 month long class.

[@jackmakila3776]

All 665 is going to get you is about 5 classes worth of books and that may be stretching it

[@SPEEDFREAK6988]

You could literally pick up a series x for around that price and actually be able to use it as opposed to a model that does absolutely nothing for you.....

[@rmcdudmk212]

I didn't think it was possible but over the past year Gamesworkshop has made me hate them more then I hate Wizards of the Coast ...

[@martinfreemon7134]

665$, that's 33k in Philippine pesos. So three of those figures is a month of my dad's salary + longevity pay... Good lord, my family and my ancestors would take turns gutting me if I spend that amount of money on figures when I could've bought a decent-sized house in my country.

[@mranderson3dprints634]

I think itd be cool for GW to jump on the STL bandwagon and start selling STLs of their models to get more people into the game.

[@PatrickRatman]

inb4 gw presses legal charges against makers cult and starts selling STL's for 10x the price of the models.

[@alexkaplan6581]

That's a one way ticket to the grave for GW. People are gonna rip that shit in a heartbeat and dump it all over torrent websites, because it's *GUARANTEED* it will be massively overpriced. Going full digital will destroy them.

[@TheLegendMythMan]

Because you can't make enough profits selling 3D files to support all the things GW do besides just selling the models. To be fair, there are some great alternative models out there but many are close to straight copies of GW models. Who do you think made the concept work and all other parts that goes into producing the finish product? They need to be paid. 3D printing also have a high starting cost, to by a printer cost around 500 $ if you want a quality in the models that are close to current plastic models. And when/if the screen wears out or you damage it that's another 150 $. It's also an investment in time, a large modell on high detailed settings can take hours to print. So I still don't see 3D printing taking out standard plastic anytime soon, but I think it will make a noticeable dent in the market. And GW really need to adjust to this in some way.

[@kodain]

@@TheLegendMythMan Some models haven't received upgrades for over 10 years. Those who made those models got paid a long time ago. Even with maintenance, rent, and salaries thrown into the mix, GW has really expensive models. They can sell boxes like Indomitus and still make a profit, and if you can get models for that price a lot more people would buy more models. You can get a good resin printer for about 270 EUR (Elegoo Mars 2 Pro), and replacing the LCD screen for that is like 37 EUR. Even if I went with a larger model like the Saturn, which is about 500 EUR, the LCD is about 85 EUR to replace, and the screens are made to last for a long time. Yes, it takes time to print models, but you print more than one, usually, and you can do it passively while you do other things. The whole cleanup process isn't even complicated or that time consuming. As for paying itself off: A Leman Russ is about 34 EUR at Wayland Games (which is the cheapest you will find it, pretty much) for a single model. You normally field 3-6 of them in a single army. That's 102-204 EUR. It takes maybe 3-4 EUR to print one, plus 20 EUR or so for the blueprint. That's 29-38 EUR, approximately 18.6% of the cost, saving you 166 EUR. Repeat that print two or three times, and the printer has already paid itself off.

[@TheLegendMythMan]

@@kodain yes, but could most people model this themselves? I think some times the argument boils down to "if everything is free" it's cheaper. But some one have to make money on sculpting the 3D models you print and there are costs over time for 3D printing, and also time consuming, that some people tends to reject when arguing for 3D printing your own armies. I would like to have a printer, I could even use it professionally, but I don't have the time or space right now and for the limited use I have now I don't think it will pay for itself yet.

[@mpcrauzer]

I'M playing Skyrim while watching this, do you think hermeaus mora can beat tzeentch in his own game of fates?

[@thomas4092]

Probably. The ball of tentacles is tricking 2 whole lots of gods with 9+ members to each and is still coming out ahead. Meanwhile tzeetch is barely dealing with 3 "allies", 2 idiots who are asleep but fighting and a corpse on a toilet

[@digitaljungle7154]

No, but only because tzeentch is literally insane and his plans range from "all of time" to "this second of that day." In short, he is change incarnate and has little to no consistency, insane.

[@zienwolf]

This is an awesome question. Love it.

[@nightmarecrazy23]

The universe would literally vomit before the game is won between the two

[@austinbutcher8106]

Yes, harmaus mora would bore him to death with his slow speech

[@hattoripool1533]

How well could Jak and daxter do in Warhammer 40k with all the weapons ,transformations and powers they had from all the games and yes that includes the gun staff, dark daxter and the lost frontier eco powers?

[@ryandelisle9404]

Given that they’re compulsive looters basically, as long as you don’t run Into a main character pretty well

[@chosenmimes2450]

i just love seeing games workshop being shit on so splendidly.

[@ericbrown9825]

Man, GW really, REALLY fucked up when they went after the animators

[@Neoentrophy]

When you consider that 3D printing is a more expensive process (proportionally) than GWs mold-injection process it's obscene. Including the sprue, guide and based, GW is spending pennies per box, and even then they can't beat 3D printing.

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

Making the mould dies for plastics is very expensive - whereas a resin printer can be reconfigured between every printing at very little cost.

[@MERLK2]

@@sirrathersplendid4825 Sure. The design and pre-production phase (inlcuding creation of dies) is expensive - but CAD/CAM and the possibility to go directly from there to the 3D printing/CNC-production of prototypes or dies, speed up the process quite a bit - and reduced the costs in quite some ways. Modern Design2Production times are lighting fast compared to the already relativly fast processes of the 90s (compared with older methods). I recommend everyone not familiar with the whole thing to watch videos about the scale modelling companies that show their production process - Zvezda had one for example that shows if my memory is correct how fast infantry & tank sprues get made. Once it is set up, hate to say it - injection/extrusion machine goes brrrrr. Very low production costs with over time lower & faster & better pre-production processes is one reason why we see ever better model kits in the scale model market, with relativly steady affordable prices. To compare it a bit - an almost 1 meter colosal 1:350 model of the Yamato can cost between 80 (okayish old thing from the 80/90s) to 250 bucks( hell yeah give me all the details n bling), compare that with GeeeDubs pricing. To manufacture models that can competete qualitywise AND so extremly pricewise with so to speak relativly ineffective privatly available cheap tools, one part after another, with partially very long production times, shows how very much out of space GeDubs pricing is. Especially with their reduction of possibilities and in some cases quality.

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

@@MERLK2 - It’s all about economy of scale. I’ve heard that producing a kit in plastic requires sales of around 1,000 units; whereas in traditional resin it’s a few tens of units. A 3D printer reduces that to 1 unit.

[@MERLK2]

@@sirrathersplendid4825 Yes and No. A plastic injection machine is expensive ... yeah - but you DON`T buy a new machine for every new model. And as long as the machine runs, after it has amortizated itself, every consequent kit made can break even much earlier. For every new model that can be made, the ROI point is reached faster then with those that were used to get the money for the machine back - cause the new ones have only running costs n dev costs that burden those. Resin was relativly cheap to use, because GW basically afaik could recycle the dies/forms n machines that they used for the more expensive tinfigures. And one could say they didn`t care if the quality went down hill with those "finemolds" because shoddy QA. BUT ... using resin and tincasting means you are often slower then with injection molding that uses an even cheaper material with much higher output. (If tincasting has the speed of a old cowboy gatling, the injection molding machines were like a MG42 ... and the newest are like the GAU-8 :P) So yeah, the starting costs with resin were lower, the material a bit more expensive - but the output also much lower. In that case running costs n co weight alot more. And finally a 3D printer does amortizise itself only in 1 one model - if your 1 model you mentioned is one that is more expensive then the printer+running costs ;) I don`t think you thought about bits or a lonely guardsman ^^

[@DavidMartin-lj8yj]

I built up a reputation for sculpting “space bugs”. GW has shut me down on every platform I try to sell my models on.

[@electricboogie8920]

Shit I'll PayPal you for em 🤣

[@ajl8975]

I love how 3d printing has basically killed games workshop’s entire business model of massively overcharging for cheap plastic miniatures.

[@cormoran2303]

next video "could my 3D printer survive in Warhammer 40k"

[@B1-997]

3D printer can make a copy of itself, they’ll replicate themselves and become the master race in 40k lol.

[@SleeplessBanjos]

They imperium barely defeated the men of iron...They will have a tougher fight against the men of resin.

[@joshuamitchell5018]

IP at large is a failed experiment in all fields. Now in the tabletop space the groups'll have to compete on literally anything other than price gouges and IP hoarding. Maybe GW can beat the Resin printers with a factory floor print and actually make their glorified green army men cost as much as the toys that they are instead of 'action figures'.

[@meganobgutzkraka2398]

and the recasts and prints are getting so good that you CANNOT tell the difference between them and the real thing they are absolutely PERFECT for us horde army users. fuck GW, i like not being fucked fuck i've had a buddy print me and his models for a LONG time, and when we can't play? specially when this super flue was REALLY scary? we just used Tabletop simulator

[@paples2835]

The dislike are from GW agent

[@hattoripool1533]

Those 3D printed toys do look impressive

[@joshpotter9261]

Just figured out why I don't like the offcial warhound, it looks like someone bolted on the front end of a Jeep Cherokee to the thing. I prefer the more characterful one that looks like its namesake, a hound,.

[@captainobvious9233]

$1 Says GW's answer to this will be to raise the prices even more.

[@kennethosborne8359]

You need to start reviewing stl files and sites.

[@Crushanator1]

This seems like a good way to get the secret stls taken down

[@stormisuedonym4599]

Spotted the narc.

[@cgdimension]

I used to be w40k collector back in the early 90s when I was a teen, but just couldn't afford it after a few years, from the paint to the pricey mag to the models. I see the prices now and it makes my eyes water, can't see Citadel being able to survive at such high prices when the smart option is to print from custom made or scans in various formats. Collecters have the freedom to create their own models or customize what's already out there. Are games workshop employees going to make a fuss when you turn up for a game in store with your own printed original space marines? Game over man, game over;)

[@concretephill8509]

In respect to TTS id rather we call it BattleMace 40,000000

[@busterbrown17]

buttermilk bob primes his marines in white and not paint white uwu

[@imafireingmylasar]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that even with the larger cheap models you'll still save a good chunk of cash if you in fill it completely.

[@jc7997aj]

Nah a liter of most resin types in anywhere from 18 to 30$ and even the biggest titan not hollowed out could be printed at the proper scale with less than the full 2l.

[@removedot]

It could end up getting pretty dang heavy then also.

[@jc7997aj]

@@removedot you can do it solid but on big stuff there is no reason to. The slicing software makes it super easy to hollow and add the strain holes. DO NOT FORGET THE DRAIN HOLES!!! lol.

[@SavageBruski]

Where do you find the 3d print files?

[@fatmork834]

My new goal is to print an entire Army and make it look so official that Games Workshop can't tell that it's not

[@B1-997]

I heard they’ll try to differentiate between offical and printed by weight, GW might become so paranoid about players not using their models they’ll make people pick out and use in store/tournament ones.

[@fatmork834]

@@B1-997 we shall see I supose

[@ThrawnFett123]

What will be REALLY hilarious is when it leaks that a certain, certainly not UK based company, certainly not also known by initials of GW coincidentilly I'm sure, is already using 3D printers to prototype their model...

[@ThrawnFett123]

Allegedly using a roughly .5mm OVERFILL on the model then fine sanding specifically to get a polished final result for final master mold casting...

[@ThrawnFett123]

1. "Why would they after all the time they spent railing on them?" The quality is THERE already, but expensive to achieve. Hobbyists can't often spend 10k plus on a single printer. 2. "Then why the sanding?" It's cheaper to pay a master modeler to make an oversized imperfect master model perfect than to make 1 master model from scratch. 3. "How much cheaper?" Allegedly, enough to make at least 5 "improved" masters at the cost of 1 "scratch" master on average. 4. "Where's this whole thing from" internet rumors, when a BUNCH of people are allegedly mad at a company named GW, so take it completely with a grain of salt. But it was detailed enough to SOUND real to me so rumor mill I go

[@Sorain1]

Seems logical to me, it's an inexpensive way to be sure before you but the time/cost into the master for your mass production process.

[@project1678]

Love it I wonder if they're selling

[@memesofwarhemmer7076]

The time of GW has ended the time of 3D pinting has begun

[@FrostSoul-qs6kq]

Mechanicus : Yes we need $100 .... DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO INFUSE A MECHINE SPIRIT IN IT ?

[@theironworks6797]

If you get into 3D printing, be prepared to answer problems you didn't even know about until you have the printer. I bought an Ender 3 Pro a few weeks ago, and it's currently not operational because I had to replace the feeder motor and the feed system due to the stock one not even working. I'm absolutely for making your own stuff; though you should be prepared to learn a whole-ass set of skills to make it work properly.

[@quacktac]

3d printing is like a whole new hobby in and of itself.

[@removedot]

Resin printing and FDM printing are also completely different things and often even the opposite since you tend to literally be building them upside down

[@propjam2]

I love it. its so hilarious. Whos sucking the life out of who now. more 3D printer videos. more MORE! HA HA HA HA!

[@vald.1617]

Well, I found the Khorne player...

[@propjam2]

@@vald.1617 Wrong. Tzeentch, I am the changer of ways.

[@dandaly8747]

GW, WOULD be smart if they released its own resins and Stl files...

[@shadow50011]

It's funny how angy GW gets about models and 3d printing when Battletech has always been: "Metal models? Plastic models? Paper Standee with the unit printed on it? A Bottle Cap? Yeah sure dude want to play?". Some of the new boxes even give you pre-cut paper standees for scenarios so you don't have to paint a million models to try something out.

[@FacemeltsWasteland]

Anyone saying a week to print a Titan is a big time investment has never waited for a forgeworld deliveries. Additionally, hollow resin is good for adding electronics like lights etc.

[@BobelPop]

Hey Gamza, hopefully I don't sound too annoying but I was wondering if you could do a Kefka Palazzo vs WH40k? I asked a several times for a few months but I don't know if you've seen my comment. Either way keep up the good work!

[@CommissarGamza]

Thank you very much for the suggestion my man! I will take a peek into him, but I cannot make any guarantees. Appreciate you watching. =)

[@BobelPop]

@@CommissarGamza No problem. You might find this particular villain interesting due to his antics besides his power.

[@lupercal1984]

Only 2 prints away from having all the parts for my Warhound Titan. So close. Took 34 bucks worth of resin cause I use thicker walls than I need.

[@dirtpickle7784]

May I ask where you got the files. I would like to try to print one. Thank-you!

[@lupercal1984]

@@dirtpickle7784 I am on a Facebook group called 40000 Reasons to 3D Print. Once you make a few friends in the group they will share their Google Drive links or whatever. Etsy is also really good for files but you have to be quick.

[@oblivionfan345Tony]

I've bought my first 3D printer (the anycubic photon S) yesterday and it's on its way! That being said can i make whole guard squads or just one guardsmen at a time? I dont mind buying 3rd party minis for the infantry and just using the printer for vehicles

[@Kopie0830]

My inner child is sad that this didn't happen 20 years ago. I would have asked my dad for this and nothing else and would have built the whole warhammer universe in our garage.

[@mlgarry8036]

Where is Space Mace 69’s models at? Really interested

[@alpharius8336]

Same

[@zienwolf]

I'm sure you can find some 3d printing forums and/or discord servers. Stuff being discussed in this video is in a legal grey area. Much like playing hard to find, overpriced, or out-of-production vintage video games, you'll have to do some leg work on the internet and spend a few hours running down some rabbit holes to find what you are looking for.

[@SleeplessBanjos]

@@zienwolf Tell this to wargamesexclusive... who won their lawsuit against GW.

[@ciscomartinez6092]

I don’t even play warhammer this guys just hilarious

[@satibel]

a good option is fdm/cardboard/foam base with resin plating. so only the outside shell is high quality expensive resin. also tungsten weights and expending foam to fill in models can be nice to give some heft.

[@jamesdunn581]

Where can you get those Space Mace 69 stls?

[@tankwish9687]

Lol gamza, it’s so true. People need to learn to thin the paints they use.

[@r.connor9280]

The blessed STC's have been recovered Praised be the Adeptus Mechanicus

[@scumbaggaming9418]

Thanks to that thumbnail, I really want a 3D printed regular scale Warhound now. Saw one on Etsy like a year ago, any ideas where I can get one? I wanna save like $500 and get one made of plastic instead of resin.

[@williamhaysom8323]

is there a website you can get the 3d model file to print or do you have to make it yourself?

[@thorinwhitewolf1213]

cults3d, yeggi and myminifactory are just a few that normally have a good search option on them and also act as store fronts for purchasing the more involved files like the ones with a lot of work put into them.

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

Why pay the price of a metal-figure for a plastic figure? table-top games always had these outrageous prices for a very basic product. If the figure costs 100$ I at least expect it to be made from metal.

[@machinech183]

Games Workshop burns to the ground... Me: pisses on the ashes.

[@Primal2229]

I dont know why but the "space baby carrier" made me snort laugh so hard my nose hurts xD

[@stikfigz]

Could the Ultramarines chapter (the greatest of them all) survive in Space Mace 69?

[@minhducnguyen9276]

No, they lost to the cobalt blue chapter of 69. Who also happens to be the best.

[@ericdorman6719]

They might have a hard time against the Ultimate Marines led by Robot Gullible-man.

[@aceofspades7988]

Could Commissar Gamza survive in a Warhammer 40k universe?

[@lukeanvar3908]

hey does anyone have an exact link to like the printer they used in the video? he keeps saying elego mars but there are like 6 of them

[@thorinwhitewolf1213]

if you are looking at a mars, i would say go for the mars 2 pro as it is faster and the screen lasts longer so you get more prints before you need to replace the lcd. i have a mars 2 pro and it is fantastic. if you live outside the EU elegoo selll them directly, otherwise amazon also has a elegoo store that is done by elegoo on there.

[@ManyLegs]

Crazy when they sell a bootleg AT-ST, but when you 3d print it. "hey it's bootlag, you can't use it!"

[@ignaciasd1198]

My man... I earn $600 dollars a month working the eight hours, I love wh40k but Im not going to put myself in stasis for a month for a Titan. My favourite SpaceMace 69 models are the ones Mortian make, which are exquisite

[@dr4g0nsden]

*sees price difference, thinks about making a definitely-not Grey Knights Emperor Class Titan* @GW See this?! this right here?! I am one of tens of thousands, probably more, you cannot destroy an idea any more then you can destroy chaos, this battle is won by us the fans and community even before you fired your first shot. I'd tell ya your schemes of late are gonna bite ya in the end, but I think thats apparent already. The Man Emperor Protects even from GW

[@mechafanboy]

did the one that sent in the picture of the warhound titan mention what kind of printer he / she used? curious if I need certain kind of resin 3D printer with the hollow print feature to it.

[@The_Mimewar]

If GW had a brain working there, they’d Cut prices and OFFER FILES FOR SALE.