Games You Might Like: Asunder ft. Amy Vorpahl

We are delighted to have Amy Vorpahl as the first presenter in a new series of videos about OTHER RPGs you might want to play.
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[@zeebashew]

This is wild! I'm a day into production on an animation about getting this exact same piece of advice (you should be playing something other than D&D).

[@zeebashew]

Like I was midway through making a goofy drawing of blades in the dark when the alert chimed.

[@zaclunawoodward]

Great minds think alike!

[@johanvink2337]

It was ment to be all of the people need to hear about other games. I am just not familiar with others have wanted to run dread for a while and played fiasco.

[@Soupdude338]

@@zeebashew You should shout this video out in yours!

[@thenetherone1597]

hell you should host an episode of this show yourself, matt'd love that

[@diagnosisninja]

"I don't know why you wouldn't harness chaos, it's just too cool!" Sounds like someone addicted to chaos.

[@Nemo2342]

It's not an addiction, we can quit any time we like

[@rafaelbrandao4059]

This is your brain on chaos.

[@AnMadadh]

Dave Mustane approves this message.

[@MiguelAngelGutierrezRamirez]

@@AnMadadh I instantly heart the drums on my head.

[@ShaggySasquach4231]

Somewhere in deep space, a 40k inquisitor is screeching

[@alvaropiedrafita1438]

I hope this series is really successful. I'd love to also see a series where Matt interviews some rpg creators like the guys at Free League, or the dude that makes Mothership.

[@DnDOldGuard]

100% YES!

[@boot_legged_human]

I agree. Honestly, I think it would work really well as a podcast too

[@alvaropiedrafita1438]

@@boot_legged_human That already exists. It's called The Vintage RPG Podcast. It's great!

[@neilkirkley1500]

Ohh see if you can get Seth Skorkowsky in to talk about Call of Cthulhu.

[@TheOccupants]

This^

[@danspencer1281]

I prefer the other three dude's in his vids, get them on.

[@TheOccupants]

Trololol

[@Danmarinja]

Honestly I could listen to Seth talk about any game. He’s the one that got me into Cyberpunk 2020 and Red, my new favourite games.

[@samsampier7147]

Another vote for Seth. His videos, especially the skits, are great.

[@calebsoaring]

There is a sunk-cost fallacy with learning systems, especially that of D&D. I love D&D but it is not always the right way to go if you're looking for low-fantasy or getting away from fighting monsters. There are so many better systems to tell a story with that is heavy RPG focus. Happy you are putting content out like this!

[@TheJackOfFools]

I always tell my players who want to try something else that the more systems you learn, the easier it is to pick up new systems.

[@tylerreed2409]

A big issue with trying new systems is that most groups aren't really filled with people who are rules oriented, so to switch to a new system often requires the GM to learn that system and then teach the group, while also doing all the other GM work. It is just a lot of heavy lifting for the person already doing the majority of the work.

[@davetronred11]

True but there's opportunity cost in playing a game I'm not certain I'll enjoy. Suppose my group of five invests four, five-hour sessions in a game just to decide we don't enjoy it. That's one-hundred combined hours spent by people not enjoying what they're doing.

[@jhinpotion9230]

Also, people think all systems are as hard, if not harder than, D&D. They're not. Even 5e is damn complex to most games.

[@ZeroGrav122]

Agreed. I even do invited new players who always play D&D to try something new. Being a starting DM, I've founded other systems I used to make my DMing easier but way more rewarding and modular for any theme i want to make with my game 😁 So far? Everyone loving it! Now i want to try out Asunder!

[@Barquevious_Jackson]

*Ben Milton* of *Questing Beast* would be a good place to look for other alternative Table Top games.

[@alamos52]

Yup. They're mostly "Old School Renaissance" style RPGs though, which is to say games inspired by older versions of D&D.

[@Barquevious_Jackson]

@@alamos52 Yes, but in terms of saturation and depth of knowledge I know of no better KZbinr on the subject. He rivals even Matt, it's insane! He has his field and I think he's a great person to start with.

[@alamos52]

@@Barquevious_Jackson no doubt! I'm hoping his adventure gets an ennie!

[@DaveThaumavore]

Agreed. Ben is great!

[@Barquevious_Jackson]

@@DaveThaumavore How could I forget you! Dave here is another great RPG reviewer who is both insightful and consistent all while covering the more niche fields of indie rpgs. Great to see you in this comment section Dave, looking forward to part 3 of that new series you've been doing. Long Form Content fits your style great not to discount your sharp pointed thoughts in your appended works.

[@duckdudette]

I love that Amy hammed up her presentation like Matthew does. It's just a bit more fun 😁

[@thatthinker]

Yeah! It's great

[@Argonaut1ka]

Amy is pretty much always like that

[@bobhopp4878]

If you enjoyed that energy, Amy's performances in Breaking News on CollegeHumor's YT channel or on Dropout are not to be missed. It's wet-your-pants funny. She's truly amazing.

[@MrSpirals]

@@bobhopp4878 her don't laugh face was truely something special

[@EthOrlen]

Well, this was not the game that inspired me to say, “I totally want to play that!” BUT, Amy’s delivery was positively delightful, and I’m so excited to see who else shares and what they’ll be sharing!

[@ts25679]

I was thinking the opposite. It sound like there are some interesting ideas in there that might be worth stealing. I am excited to see which other systems they cover.

[@gkrotkov]

Matt, just putting my vote in for this video being a good idea and saying I’d love to see more! There’s diminishing returns on Running The Game (“Hey new DM, you want a resource? How about a 100+ video long playlist?!”), and branching out into new spaces like this is a good way to take a break between running to game while you DM more to get an idea for the next video.

[@lk4864]

I like that she recommends less combative games when they named a weapon after her.

[@GiblixStudio]

I am curious how often that joke has been made. :D

[@digitaljanus]

Some people would lose their head over that, but not Amy.

[@SimonRetold]

@@digitaljanus - Talk about cutting to the chase. This caused me to snicker (snack).

[@margathapai4010]

EVERYONE STOP! Look at the literal bugbear plushie in the bottom right hand corner. I love him!

[@Tabletop_Goblin]

Super interested in letting people hear about other games! Would love to see something like Blades in the Dark or a Powered by the Apocalypse game, but something weird and different like Ten Candles could also be cool.

[@Matthewcmiel]

getting someone to talk about 10 Candles would be awesome.

[@godminnette2]

@@Matthewcmiellooks like you both just got your wish!

[@Matthewcmiel]

@@godminnette2 I know! Worked out great!

[@hikerchris7164]

Asking questions to yourself that you would ask your dog is probably the most brilliant thing I have ever heard

[@aqbrooks7725]

This is the content we didn’t know we needed! This is the reason I backed the kickstarters; let Matt do the cool stuff he loves and we benefit from it

[@TheKOzality]

Couldn't agree more!

[@daem0nfaust]

"People just want to fall in love." Now there's a great truth.

[@mattlueck5946]

So excited to see Amy Vorpahl teaming up with MCDM for this video!

[@pallenda]

Dave Thaumavore has an EXCELLENT channel talking about different TTRPGs. I collect TTRPG books and Dave alone has put several I didn't know about on my radar. Personally I hope to play Numenera or Arcana of the Ancients in the future. And if I ever get my creativity up to a place where I felt I could handle Invisible Sun. For the next long while it will be DM'ing Curse of Strahd.

[@alamos52]

Yeah he's getting really freaking good at it.

[@DaveThaumavore]

Hey, thanks!

[@christiancampbell4114]

This series is gonna be fantastic. I just started running one shots in various systems for my friends so this will be great inspiration.

[@jacenchrisbaker]

Shadow of the Demon Lord's engine is one of my absolute favorites, and Asunder makes it sing too!

[@Ellebeeby]

Yes! It's great that D&D has boomed since 5e, but now it's time for the rest of the TTRPG space to grow along with it. There's so much potential!

[@brandoncashion]

Very much enjoyed this. Thanks for sharing Matt, and thanks for the cameo Amy!

[@Oldkingcole1125]

Thanks for the new video. I definitely want more in this series. While this rpg didn't pique my interest as much, I'm glad you're doing this. I've seen so many questions on reddit where the correct answer should be, "Go play something besides D&D!"

[@CGoetsch87]

Matt, I've watched all your running the game vids, thanks so much for what you do. You helped me unlock something in myself I always knew was there, but never had an outlet for it. My first 5 sessions have been for kids that I work with in the community with my team of mental health techs. They are hooked, and so am I!

[@MrUncredible02]

Great video! Amy does a really good job explaining this system, and highlighting the cool things in the world. On a side note, I don't think I've ever been more thoroughly in agreement with a sentiment than the one expressed at 0:56, because I'll play whatever system as long as the person running it is enthusiastic about it.

[@KoboldCoat]

I always tell people "Every tabletop game I run is every tabletop game I've ever run," so I'm a big fan of introducing people to new systems if only to know where to steal from. +1 from me on this becoming a full series.

[@CaptainOrlax]

My friends and I picked up the PDFs for Asunder, and we all really like the “rules-lite” feel of it. Thanks to you and Amy for sharing this game!

[@JoeAuerbach]

What an outstanding idea. I'm here for this series.

[@nicholassmith3732]

I got into TTRPG's because of Amy Vorpahl. I found her in the first season of Saving Throw when it was shot in a garage. I love her so much. Glad to see one of my favorite content creators supporting her and introducing her to others.

[@theddrman]

Amy Vorpahl is such a gift to the TTRPG community! Matt, I'd love to see more content like this. Not just because Amy is so dang charming, but because bringing in a variety of people allows more content for the channel without overloading you as much, and the concept is great! I'd love to learn about more TTRPG games, but simply don't have the time to do the research on my own, nor the group to just try out random games to see if they're fun.

[@paulbigbee]

This is a tremendously helpful and insightful approach to not only answer the "other" question but to raise the tide of the much wider RPG community. Massive props to MCDM.

[@ElTaitronAnim]

Even if this specific game/setting isn't quite my cup of tea, I'm always interested to hear about or try other game systems! Hope to see more of this series in the future.

[@bloodlustrous]

Hey thanks for making this video. Amy Vorpahl rocks, Asunder sounds like it rules, and I can't wait to see who else comes by and does their thing in this channel.

[@JohnStynes]

Please make lots more of these! I'm currently running a Things From the Flood campaign for friends and it's a very fun system (with basically no monster fighting!). Definitely recommend to anyone interested in trying new systems/RPGs

[@khpa3665]

Please keep putting this series out. It's a great idea with a great start.

[@saulhearn7600]

I don’t comment much on anything, but I can’t understate how important this kind of project is - This channel has already done so much in terms of exploring the roots of dnd, and has been so many peoples gateway into stuff like classic fantasy literature from the pre-dnd era. I genuinely can’t think of a channel that is more suited to introducing people to lesser known games

[@dbroccoliman]

I have sunk an absolute TON of time and energy into 5e, but in deference to the algorithm I will watch and like all of these in order to help others find the right system for them!

[@KieranRobins]

I had 8 years and hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars invested into 5E. But, in hindsight, I started falling out of love with the system about 2 years ago. And it wasn't until 3 months ago that I finally admitted it to myself and switched to PF2E and Kids on Brooms (alternating bi-weekly). Not saying this is your situation, but I'm glad this series exists in case it helps people realize what took me 18 months to admit. Ignore the time/money invested, if you're not having fun anymore maybe it's time to switch systems, it's worth it.

[@21guitarpenter]

Amy matching Matt's voice cadence and inflection puts this over the top. Fantastic!

[@Ulrican414]

Asunder sounds incredible. Buying it today. I would never would have heard of it if not for thia video.

[@AntiCliche]

I loooooove that we're bringing games other than D&D to the table. There's so much or there that serves so many genres and settings better than D&D

[@alexsterling5788]

This is so cool! I love the setting of Asunder. Please make this a regular part of your channel! People need to know what else is out there!

[@Lord-Professor]

as someone who likes hearing people talk about stuff they like, by all means, keep this series coming. Amy was persuasive and excited and very self aware, and even if I never get a chance to play Asunder, the game has a lot of cool (and steal-able 😎) ideas, and hearing someone who really enjoyed them tell me about it made those ideas seem even cooler.

[@dacrook87]

More please! I loved Amy's excitement for Asunder and I'd love to see more videos like this one!

[@listofromantics]

Thank you for making this. 5e is great, but: A) it's NOT the only game system out there; and B) 5e is NOT suited for all types of games or playstyles, which would be better suited to using different systems (which, I"m sure, WoTC & Hasbro would prefer not advertising).

[@dragonboyjgh]

They'd be okay with acknowledging Tails of Equestria or Legends of the 5 Rings as alternate systems to D&D. They own them too.

[@evanmelhouse6230]

Honestly, I'm one of these DM's. Our group has one dm who's great! He loves the game, loves to tinker and play with classes and i... don't compare. At all. And I'm keenly aware of it behind the screen, especially when he and his wife play. My narrative skills are good, my descriptions are crunchy, and I'm pleased overall with my grasp of stats but I'm just dissatisfied overall with my performance. So thank you for starting a series of new things I can start trying!

[@101tac101]

Love having guests present their passions! Keen for the rest of the series.

[@danielriquelme5762]

This video is awesome! I hope this garner a lot of attention so more of these videos are produced. Thank you for doing this!

[@efranke20001]

A very good overview and argument for the virtues of the game and setting. Great first episode of this offering from MCDM!

[@olkokok]

Amy reading the script and looking just a little below camera makes this uncanny to me. Like she's looking right through you.

[@jnever9768]

i agree this seems more like an advertisement than someone recommending me a game. idk if there is a better presentation method but this did not make me want to play Asunder. Also...the first thing you should hook people in with is 'Why Asunder?'

[@turnipslop3822]

This is an awesome idea for a series!!! I would love to see a follow-up one-shot for each game with the GM here showing it off and its rules in practice. Might entice more people to try than watching a series recommended elsewhere. A game may sound cool but don't really give you an idea of what they are like to play until you see them run. I feel like this is the way most people learn D&D (either by just playing or watching it played) and part of the reason it's super popular now.

[@sirguy6678]

Great video! Please do more! Looking forward to seeing all of the really cool RPGs out there!

[@Sicara91]

I love this series idea! I hope someone can bring this kind of energy to Ars Magica. I play in an Ars Magica game every week and have so much fun, but I am so bad at explaining things in an easy to understand way.

[@JasmineRGBLights]

This is a great series concept! Also Amy is a delight, I knew this wasn't necessarily the game for me from about a minute into her spiel but her enthusiasm was just so infectious I had to watch the video the whole way through 😊

[@dungeonmasterstoolkit]

I firmly believe that reading and running other TTRPGs allows us to become better dungeon masters. It also allows us to steal fun mechanical bits to bring back to our system of choice. I loved that she specifically mentions the stealable secrets mechanic. More content like this would be wonderful, even if just to find new mechanical bits to spice up your D&D campaign, or to find new lands to explore!

[@simonecummings9157]

Yes, this is the juice. I would like more of this. With a snippet of game play would be the cherry on the top of a chefs kiss.Please, if possible, if not I wold still like more of the this.

[@EliJahTebbens]

PLEASE do more of these! Thank you very much!

[@AnMadadh]

I like this. I'm a veteran of a 100 different RPGs, and it's a major source of disappointment that it's so difficult to find people willing to play anything that isn't D&D.

[@kerplunkparty3079]

I really hope they continue with this series, I’d love to see the writers takes on games like Call of Cthulhu or 7th Sea

[@CobaltContrast]

CoC needs more love!

[@ethandavis3762]

Huge fan of the concept for this video. I hope this does well and becomes a regular series

[@jadxq]

Just adding my voice to the chorus of those excited about this series. I think a mix of D&D adjacent games (e.g., Forbidden Lands, Pathfinder, The One Ring, 13th Age, Dungeon World) and games further afield and into other genres (e.g., Numenera, Call of Cthulhu, Cyberpunk, Deadlands, Paranoia, Vampire the Masquerade) would be the most appealing.

[@DungeonDad]

The Green Knight has a tabletop game now, so the sky truly is the limit

[@spencerwhipple625]

Saw Amy Vorpahl on Escape from the Bloodkeep and she is great

[@pattyofurniture694]

Extremely good wet elf

[@TheKOzality]

Absolutely love this kind of content! I will do my part in sharing this in an effort to support the production of more content like this. MCDM has become the TTRPG hero we didn't know we needed.

[@ConnorLordBassist]

What an amazing idea for a series!!

[@jugler07]

Although I wasn't swayed by Amy's lively presentation of Asunder I do appreciate the effort put into showcasing different systems and what they bring to the table.

[@Qu4resma]

This series is the best! MCDM somehow keeps making me say "this is the best" and mean it every time something new comes out and I'm not complaining!

[@christianstraubhaar339]

Love the idea for this series! Definitely interested in all the recommendations. Not that anybody asked, but some fun ones I'd love to hear more on: Mothership RPG Blades in the Dark (and various Forged in the Dark hacks) Apocalypse World (and Powered By the Apocalypse hacks thereof) Savage Worlds Star Wars and the genesys dice systems (I know Matt has talked about that on various streams)

[@Oldkingcole1125]

Blades in the Dark has a successor games called Band of Blades. Players are the senior officers in the last human Legion on tje run from the advancing undead horde. Players have to get the army to the last human fortress which is humanities last hope for a place to hold back the undead.

[@theboyofcheese]

Another vote for a yes please for more! So enriching to hear someone so excited for a game, and would love to discover other games!

[@O4C209]

Amy Vorpahl is amazing. I'm going to make a homebrew magic item named after her. An Amy Sword.

[@Kris_not_Chris]

really cool lore if nothing else. I'm often slow to adopt new systems just because of all the work to learn them, but I definitely think this setting is cool af. and I would like to see more episodes like this

[@vaultdweller64]

Amy Vorpahl is a Gem

[@SkullDixon]

Currently playing Runequest which I am enjoying for a multitude of reasons but one of the main ones is that the game has a focus on the heroes being members of their communities. You go on quests to help your community. Everyone gets magic to one degree or another. there are no classes or levels. Plus you can play Ducks! The main setting is a bronze age-styled Mythic world and one of the highlights is you can play a walking talking Duck - all of which worship a god a death to one degree or another.

[@rockytoprecordingreviews4167]

Awesome job telling everyone about this new game system! Sounds like a fun time! Also, this series is an incredible idea. And letting others come on to passionately explain it... exactly the way new games should be pitched!

[@gideonwaithbraite]

Uses the SotDL system? I'm 5 kinds of about this game already and I haven't even heard anything else! PLEASE make more of these videos, it would be great to have some spotlight placed on RPG systems people (including myself) may not have heard about. I see so many people who try to change 5e to fit some other style of play to no real success, which I've been guilty of too, so helping people find a game that may be better suited to their tastes and preferred playstyle would be a great series of videos!

[@Oldkingcole1125]

What does SotDL stand for and could you tell me a little about it? Also commenting back feeds the KZbin algorithm I hear.

[@gideonwaithbraite]

@@Oldkingcole1125 Shadow of the Demon Lord. It's a super grimdark RPG with a very simple game system, which Amy said Asunder uses. To give you an idea of how easy it is to run, the designer said he intentionally wanted to make a game he could run while drunk. Initiative is super streamlined, and you're just using a D20 and some D6s. Despite simple rules though it offers tons of player options, with 3 (technically 4 if you start as a commoner) tiers of play each with selections of classes to choose from as you go. However it's easy for your PC to die or get really messed up in a variety of ways. Also no XP, you level up after every adventure/session up to 10. If you like games like Darkest Dungeon or the Dark Souls/Bloodborne games then it's perfect, though it does have the downside of going so quickly that character arcs probably won't happen

[@Oldkingcole1125]

@@gideonwaithbraite Shadow of the Demon Lord. I should have seen that! I was just listening to a review for it on the podcast Mud and Blood, a Podcast Dark and Grim. Thanks for the answer. I probably wouldn’t have figured that out without a lot of thinking.

[@sidsullivan4888]

More videos like this! I'm not sure what sort of stories I'd tell within Asunder, but once I figure out something I'll try it out. Sounds really interesting!

[@IronEntropy]

This is a great way for us to find other modules to play. I love it!

[@damianspence]

Really hoping for more of these!! One thing I haven't found better than d&d is the sheer open-ness of d&d. I want a system that I can homebrew my own world for easily. This one seems to need the specific world a bit too much for me

[@alamos52]

Worlds Without Number. It's free. It's exceptional.

[@pinguino7924]

You can look into the original system that Asunder uses: Shadow of the Demon Lord. It's pretty much setting agnostic and has way more options than D&D does.

[@SweetPeteInTheBackSeat]

I have some tolerance for being weird in front of friends but her ability to be wild in front of a camera is so confident and impressive

[@thatepicwizardguy]

I do personally care what the system is because I don’t really want to sit around roleplaying or doing math for 4 hours every week lol it’s gotta be the right kinda balance of various things.

[@Oldkingcole1125]

You probably want to look for roll under systems like Warhammer Fantasy Rollplay, Conan 2d20, Call of Cthullhu, Mythras, King Arthur Pendragon, or Runequest. I started rpgs with Pathfinder. It's my first love. However, I realized that Pathfinder has a lot of math which slows combat while I want quick and deadly combats. For me, I want less math and more fun. I like Pathfinder, but I don't like adding up 50 modifiers for one attack.

[@vlogbebs8079]

this is absolutely delightful. I love the signal boosting of other products and other creators! I'm deep into ttrpgs but often feel like I don't have the time to seek out these niche, dope parts of the community. Can't wait for part 2!

[@sanjeevshah168]

Asunder sounds badass! I never knew who Amy was but had heard her name many times. She’s awesome. So cool that someone with a slap stick approach to d&d was able to run a dark gritty game like the one she described. Im definitely going to check out asunder.

[@elicansmile]

This is great and Amy Vorpahl is my favorite. I would love to learn more about additional tabletop RPGs, so here's hoping we get more videos like this!

[@Railer890]

I love Amy so much. Such a great presentation and I can't wait to see more of these!

[@braulioservodedeus]

Yes, please make more videos like this one. I absolutely loved it!

[@roberthill5805]

My group slowly but surely decided change things and rules in the system to the point in which we no longer were playing D&D. We have long since been playing the custom system and have been slowly simplifying the rules at this point.

[@gregv3629]

More like this!

[@ianbothma4210]

This is such an amazing idea for a series. And omg does it make me happy to see Amy Vopahl on this channel.

[@jenesdude]

Matt, thank you for this format. Would be pleased to see a GURPS themed video 👀

[@TabletopTiger]

I love this TTRPG already and will go find me a copy. And I am so thrilled for this series. After starting with Numenera, I've been hooked to collecting TTRPGs and creating new worlds and new stories. Please do more of these!

[@ninthlevelcantrip799]

Yeeeees! I have been looking for suggestions on other games. I want D&D but where magic is less cray powerful and more volatile to the caster.

[@lingbomanbo]

This was so fascinating to watch. One of the non dnd games my gaming group got me into was Shadowrun which our dm had many years of experience. I also now running a warhammer 40k rogue trader trpg game and will be running next year the dresden rpg which uses the fate system.

[@spiritandsteel]

Gods I adore Amy. Great to see her on the channel, and incredible idea for a series.

[@garykelley9027]

Oh Asunder! I've seen it around but hadn't taken the time to look at it *proceeds to listen to this pitch* Well well! Definitely need to at least pick it up!

[@PhyreI3ird]

"Rock, babieeee!" ... I get it! Because there's no metal!

[@Morticide.]

I took a shot for every mistake Amy Vorpahl made while talking, I'm dead sober right now. How can she NOT make a single mistake during that entire talk? That's beyond impressive!

[@DannyChubird]

Perfect timing, my group is playing an Asunder one shot tonight

[@zarqwon]

This is a great idea and format, i hope it gets great feedback. There is so much great and crazy stuff coming out nowadays at hyper amounts.

[@Draenal]

Amy Vorpahl is the queen of not being able to make it through her own jokes without laughing. Did enjoy this, for sure, more.

[@duncanmacneil4759]

Thanks for telling us about other games. I'm watching the one-shot Amy did for the Launch of this game.

[@mastermattwindu]

This is a really cool sounding game, would love to hear more about other systems as well! Now I just need my RPG group to actually meet up!

[@TatumVayavananda]

Yes, please make more! Why do we feel like we have to choose - we can play ALL the things!