Gamesir Tarantula Pro - The button layout changes in real time!

[@cephmind74]

Really love how author test everything. None of testers ever said something about diagonal inputs. Not buying this controller by this, diagonals are most important thing for me. Subscribing for sure.

[@LnDSuv]

Most people just shill for free stuff, not this guy.

[@locked01]

Finally someone actually disassembled it.

[@TheXtremeBoltGuy]

That layout switching should be the STANDARD. If everyone's not gonna use the same layout, this is the next best thing

[@Psychotoxic86]

Thank you for the video. I'm using this gamepad around a month, not a bad thing. Agree with pros, but I see more cons than you: - Cheap vibration, feels like baby rattle. - LT and RT don't have vibration. - Membrane A,B,X,Y. - Yes, d-pad... - Software still not good, especially update thing. Please, pay attention to Beitong Kunpeng 40 and Beitong Kunpen 20. But Kunpeng 40 a more interesting model.

[@VKsChannel]

The cheap vibration is because its HD rumble On the switch it feels amazing On the membrane buttons I don't see how they could fit a mechanical switch there and keep the light under the buttons And the vibration on the triggers only official xbox controllers and flydigi controllers supports correctly

[@Psychotoxic86]

@@VKsChannel Not only Flydigi, but Beitong Zeus 2 has an amazing LT and RT vibro. Regarding your remarks, yes, I agree with you, but...))

[@VKsChannel]

@@Psychotoxic86 I tested the zeus 2 on my PC and the trigger vibration didn't work

[@Psychotoxic86]

@@VKsChannel Very-very strange, I'm using it around a 1.5 year, and trigger vibration works perfectly.

[@bobby1379]

@@Psychotoxic86 not on all games bro, especially steam wont recognize the trigger vibration on xinput thirdparty

[@Stef2050]

The button layout switching is so fun to watch

[@ianperesmusic]

I recently just got this controller and I'm loving it for Helldivers 2. I have gyro aiming enabled; and I have all four C buttons macro mapped to 4 different stratagems. One button press enters the entire combination. That is super handy, and I haven't encountered another controller this flexible. Love it.

[@Ninjaren9]

Great video! That isn't the claw grip though, that's a palm grip. Claw grip is when you use your index finger for face buttons/d-pad, with your middle operating bumpers/triggers. Still looks pretty great for either!

[@ValTek_Armory]

I really love this concept! I just with the sticks were assymmetrical. I prefer the xbox or even WiiU style with the sticks up top

[@rensuchan]

Honestly the dpad is a hit or miss thing. In certain games you do not want easy diagonals, so I'm finding this controller a dream for Tetris. I also haven't really had a problem with it playing Metroidvania type games. I for sure can agree that it would not be my choice if I wanted to play some 2D fighters though. Excellent review as always.

[@VKsChannel]

Well from a historical point of view the best consoles all have diagonals that are consistent and easy to hit Snes genesis n64 gamecube wii wii u ps2 ps3 ps4 ps5 all of them don't have bad diagonals like these

[@rensuchan]

@@VKsChannel Yeah, it definitely veers away from the traditional dpad feeling, so if someone is looking for one controller to rule them all this probably isn't the one because of the dpad compromise. For controller geek people like us though, it's cool to have options for certain games :)

[@PhantasmXYZ]

Taking it apart and placing a small square of electrical tape under each direction (where a "cross" shape interacts with the membrane) has fixed the diagonals for me. Can roll the pad for fighting game diagonals, aim in Contra, and still get very accurate cardinal direction taps for Tetris. I'd advise any tinkerer comfortable with taking this apart to try this. Edit: and upon watching the video, will say I left all screws in tight - didn't take out the two VK did - and still does better than the video without the screws.

[@kamron4825]

Omg thank you for covering this. Exactly what I’ve been asking for in a controller. (Could do without the gimmicky button switching). I keep seeing all these things in other Xbox layout FINNALLY in ps4 layout

[@FreakyLawnmower]

Bad controller paddles could stop working at any minute without 0 damage. Already been through 3 of these....😬

[@PhantasmXYZ]

As I said in other comments, I'd be curious if you'd try placing a square piece of electrical tape under each direction on the dpad and report back how that feels. It drastically improved diagonal consistency for me, and I left all screws in and tight. This should also point to an easy v2 fix by Gamesir to just make the bottom of the dpad slightly thicker, or perhaps a drop-in 3D printed community mod.

[@garlanramadhan4291]

bad dpad? skip. Always thank you to VK for the detailed review as always.

[@jorge69696]

I thought the buttons had an lcd behind them. Didn't know it was mechanical.

[@dantesaulsalazar5634]

I wish someone makes a controller that works on every console

[@VKsChannel]

if they do it's gonna cost a LOT because you need to pay a license to make it work for xbox or playstation

[@masterdna117]

My personal opinion is this: 4 way or Cross-style dpads are better for 2d games or platformers in general. Even for moving around in menus. 8 way or Circle-style dpads are better for fighting games Bear in mind thats when dpads are well done and implemented. You can have cross dpads and circular dpads that suck no matter what

[@caominh6523]

Can you review the bsp d8 pro controller, because i heard that it have hd rumble but nobody on internet tear it down to confirm :((

[@nahum8240]

I like better channel than the control haha, good channel, good testing, keep it up

[@maris4137]

Please review the Gamesir Nova HD. Thanks.

[@pokemario8673]

I also want to point out that the HD Rumble motors look exactly like the ones on the dual sense

[@VKsChannel]

but they don't feel the same, the dualsense has the perfect rumble motors, they can give a strong impact feel but also tiny small vibrations

[@LnDSuv]

13:58 vader 4 pro in 12 bit mode has 4096 steps from -1 to 1. This one seems to have 1024, 512 in each direction. I think you registered more because there's some vertical movement. At least this is how I understand stick resolution. I decided not to get this controller, all I really need is G7 HE but TMR, hopefully at a reasonable price.

[@VKsChannel]

this software only measures X steps, any vertical movement is not counted at all

[@stevensv4864]

g7 pro is coming. also cyclone 2 is out

[@AndreFuerte]

VK, por quê vc iria no Vader 4 Pro sobre o Tarantula Pro, excluindo a razão do d-pad?

[@VKsChannel]

Os analógicos com ajuste de tensão são melhores o dpad é melhor e os botoes sao mecanicos mas nesse ponto o tarantula da pra relevar pq é impossivel fazer botoes mecanicos com esse mecanismo de troca

[@Guilherme1Lelis]

Hope they fix that d-pad.

[@hapebarucuykuy6606]

JUST 1 QUESTION , DOES DUALSHOCK4 BATTERY FIT INSIDE THIS ?

[@VKsChannel]

No

[@fwabble]

Excuse me Sir, could you possibly be kind enough to explain how stick resolution actually affects in game performance in say Valorant or Call of Duty, for example. Thanks. Also, I hear mixed thoughts on how relevant the circularity test is, any info appreciated. Love your reviews and teardowns, wonderful

[@VKsChannel]

I explained it here kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKCxpKl7qpl8f8ksi=3g0b3j9-4ZD6yRtZ&t=713

[@fwabble]

@@VKsChannel Absolutely amazing thank you.

[@smashingbanana8437]

VK would you do a review on the razer wolverine v3 controller?

[@Ronaldo_Abrantes]

Is possible use the DS4 Windows with this controller?

[@siliconknights]

It's like an ultimate DS4

[@rinosurber7919]

Do you have the Cyclone 2 in focus? I ordered it today. I'm curious what it can do.

[@GT-qv1gl]

Please test out the PowerA OPS/Battle Dragon series. Someone ran a GPDL test on one and its latency eclipses almost every other Pro controller out there right now.

[@itzSynx_]

What a shame i play left claw (basically jump, reload, and take my pickaxe with the d pad ) and i really like the sticks and the other features of the controller but that only con is what will make me not buy it. Unless something can be done about it??

[@111grngoblin111]

Why is it so hard to make a good dpad?

[@ZiZo34344]

Is this controller good for charge characters, specifically Guile players? Diagonal being difficult means less wrong inputs with sonic booms and flash kicks.

[@PhantasmXYZ]

Stock, no. Diagonals really are hard to hit. But, if you are willing to take apart - place a square of electrical tape under each direction. That has greatly improved diagonals for me and made it viable in Marvel vs Capcom, Contra, etc.

[@benji-menji]

Is there any controllers on the market that have their full inputs through D-Input with a dongle that has motion control and the bindable buttons as inputs instead of binds? As a bonus, having X-Input and Switch input modes would be pretty good as well.

[@VKsChannel]

Flydigi controllers

[@mohamedbhasith90]

​@@VKsChannel Here comes the question.. which is best.. tarantula pro or vader 4 pro

[@VKsChannel]

@@mohamedbhasith90 vader 4 pro 100%

[@kiyotaka2026]

I don't understand the input modes you're talking about because I'm not educated enough, however I am a new owner of a FlyDigi Vader 4 Pro and I can vouch for the incredible quality. The dongle does have motion control and the best part for me is with the PC software you can map ANY button to either a standard controller button OR a PC key which is incredible! It has 4 back buttons and 2 extra face buttons and I use them on many PC games with controller support but that have extra keybindings for PC users. It does have a switch input mode, never used it but what people complain about is that you can only configure the controller on the PC app (and then it gets loaded into the controller memory but yeah you need a PC at some point)

[@benji-menji]

​@@kiyotaka2026 Let me explain the input types then. DInput: Has many more inputs that can be mapped, but no input is standardized. Any of the inputs can be different buttons between different controllers. PlayStation still uses this for their controllers. XInput: Less inputs, but all the buttons are standard. Games can reliably bind buttons on their own making it the PC controller standard ever sense the 360 controller. SwitchInput: Nintendo's proprietary standard for switch. Not natively supported on PC without Steam translation layer or other software. SteamInput: The real black sheep of inputs. Only Steam's various controllers 1st and 2nd party controllers natively use that input.

[@Chelegel]

VK qual controle você recomenda pra essa blackfriday? custo benefício.

[@VKsChannel]

hmmm custo beneficio se o machenike g5 pro v2 não for muito caro pra vc e vc não se importar com os back buttons meio ruimzinhos como eu mostrei no review recomendo pegar ele, os botões oticos são bons os analógicos e dpad também acho que vc encontra ele nas cores branco ou preto por 230 reais mais ou menos

[@pokemario8673]

I am so surprised I do not know this control has NFC and HD rumble!

[@Swampert_Tube]

I like this, but I wish the sticks were off center like the pro controller/Xbox controllers

[@KinTheFennix]

This controller looks frankly incredible, if they had a version with the Xbox analogue stick layout I'd be sold, I've got huge hands, so the playstation stick layout just isn't ideal. A lot of overlap! Still looks amazing though!

[@an_infj95]

Can I use it as a wired controller? If not, does it have any significant lag with wireless?

[@VKsChannel]

yes it works wired too

[@FreeThinker0]

But is it using hall effect joystick tho

[@VKsChannel]

Tmr which is better than hall effect

[@arthurcuesta6041]

Very close to the perfect gamepad in my opinion. A better dpad, mechanical face buttons and a more robust charging dock would be my changes, but right now, the next time I need a gamepad, this is my pick.

[@aweigh1010]

Rubber-membrane face buttons are better. Cheap mechanical button switches ruin controllers.

[@arthurcuesta6041]

@aweigh1010 true, but good mechanical buttons last much longer than membrane ones. Specially if the PCB isn't a ribbon. Thats the same principe behind hall effect sticks, they're better because they're more reliable.

[@maybebutwhatever]

At first it looked like a better alternative to my fav 8bitdo pro 2 but after all these reviews I'll probably cancel my order when it finally will arrive. Almost all the additional buttons are not really usable if you not going to learn claw grip which I'm surely not going to do. Dpad is a big NO for retro games. And software on pc is a mess. Shame. Maybe there will be tarantula 2 with better dpad and additional buttons that would be actually usable. But thanks for the videos as always :)

[@rensuchan]

As an owner, give it a chance before returning. I've found the dpad fine for anything aside from fighters.

[@TyrantTiger85]

​@@rensuchan fighting games is why I wanted it 🤦‍♂️👎

[@williamtael8379]

Ei, man. Faça análise do PB Tails Choc. Controle com design bonito.

[@JJ2NEXUS]

I don’t care if it’s gimmick it is a very convenient gimmick at least for example, if I don’t have that many controllers, and I want to play with some less experienced players than them having to remember which layout there are using it is just so much working to look at the controller Plus is helpful with games that have qtes or anything like that when swapping between multiple different devices

[@RationalFunction]

yeah if your relatives want to play a game against you and they insist you give them this controller because "you gave me the broken one" then you can change the buttons so you can beat them and they won't have an execuse, lol (do not ask why this is very specific)

[@didasvideos]

Gamesir Cyclone 2 waiting room.

[@VKsChannel]

soon (if the customs don't refuse my package again)

[@CaptnYestrday]

Terrible shame about that d-pad. Has everything else I'm looking for is a dual shock 4 fan. Probably need to give it a shot and try to find some workaround. The screws, as you mentioned, or a good start

[@PhantasmXYZ]

Try a square piece of electrical tape under each direction (at the "cross" shape that interfaces with the membrane) if you do get it. That has drastically improved diagonals for me, and I left the screws in tight.

[@stevensv4864]

Hey really these tmr sticks are the real shit

[@VKsChannel]

Why? They seem pretty good

[@stevensv4864]

@@VKsChannel i mean if really those TMR sticks feel better than any other gamesir before like kaleid or g7 se

[@SweetTodd]

does it work with the ps3?

[@VKsChannel]

only with adapters

[@Zbigmat]

Neat I guess but it's just another point of failure

[@thatzaliasguy]

Ugh, I _hate_ the dpad on this thing!

[@skeetsofrage]

I'd buy it if it had mechanical buttons

[@darkavera]

essa troca de layout de botões

[@GiovanniBruno]

VK, você usa o seu Apex 4 com certa frequência? Estou investigando a durabilidade dele, pois ouvi muitos relatos de problema, principalmente nos analógicos.

[@VKsChannel]

Como tenho mts controles pra testar eu faço rodizio Atualmente to usando o machenike g5 pro v2 Mas meu apex 4 ta intacto aki ainda

[@carvalho7davi]

If it worked on PS5 it would be great.

[@RationalFunction]

look elsewhere. You aren't going to find a ps5 controller cheaper than a dualsense.

[@kamm3021]

Interesting but i will skip this one

[@KevTheGalaxybender]

The dpad is horrendous

[@Buxtonchappy1]

The software is horrendous. The customer support is awful, keep asking for video evidence and the order number. The controller keeps disconnecting and the firmware confusing. I'm looking to return my controller and I'm moving to the vader 4 pro.

[@MangoPango1973]

Compared to my Mobapad HD this looks and sound terrible. No hall effect sticks and the proprietary USB-C connector are an absolute NG. And what about the USB dongle, does it prevent idle / PC sleeping?

[@RationalFunction]

TMR is literally an evolution of hall effect. The recessed USB port is stupid but use cables that aren't stupid ig

[@MangoPango1973]

#idogaming3532 ok.,that's new. But it pales if I tell you that I got 2 EasySMX T39 Pro controllers with Hall effect sticks for 11.98€ each from Amazon. Nothing justfies this overpay of 80€. And cablewise, I've got a pretty gamer mouse with a recessed USB C port and of the 30+ USB C cables I have, not one fits, only the 20cm original. That's not stoopid, that's plainly insane.

[@RationalFunction]

@MangoPango1973 you're missing the entire point of this controller. Dirt cheap TMR stick controllers will come out eventually. You're comparing a Toyota to a Lexus. That's how far the controller featuresets are.

[@MangoPango1973]

@@RationalFunction Are you a Gamesir shill? what featureset? Hall effect is good enough and the button changing mechanic is senseless and a failure point par excellence. And did you see the Amazon reviews? The original software is ridden with malware, there are connection and firmware update problems. This is an ugly overpriced brick not worth 80 to 110€. The Toyota is as good for driving to Burger King to cash your discount coupon as the Lexus and the Lexus is still not a purple Bentley. If you want to burn your money, I don't hinder you.

[@RationalFunction]

@MangoPango1973 No. hall effect is good, yes, but it has a proven slower response time than even potentiometer sticks. if you want a controller that gets you to Burger King, anything will do. the tarantula pro has pro controller features that your mobapad doesn't, that's why it costs more. the rotating buttons just solve that annoyancr of your buttons not matching with the screen, especially when games invert them for you and you expect them not to be.

[@Ryan11037]

That's what I call a gimmick. I think everyone is smart enough to just memorize the buttons

[@ryozaki96]

At this point I would prefer a blank button layout.

[@boofhead711]

It may be a gimmick and another point of failure, but at least its kind of cool and unique.

[@frankbauerful]

And it's an incomplete gimmick. They should have added Playstation symbols, too. That would have made it useful when playing PS games on emulator.

[@ryozaki96]

@@frankbauerful Or playing dualsense supported games like God of War on PC

[@locked01]

No. Just no.

[@edenberam951]

i prefer xbox elite.

[@nugzmedallion8929]

Omfg NOBODY is going to buy a PRO CONTROLLER just to use CLAW GRIP bro. Just say that the buttons were placed in a terrible location because "perfect for claw grip" is NOT a feature for a controller and I 10,000% guarantee that Gamesir did NOT intend for this product to be used in a claw grip. The only reason people USED claw grip in the first place is to be able to press the buttons they need without letting go of the sticks. THAT'S what back paddles and top buttons on a *Pro Controller* are FOR: so you can access your buttons without taking your thumb off of the right stick and therefore NOT HAVE to do something arthritis-inducing like using a claw grip on a controller. The Razer Wolverine, for instance, has extra top buttons with ideal placement that you can still reach and actuate without issue while playing, and all without having to turn into a t-rex to use your controller!

[@TomasGregovich]

I don't get how these manufacturers managed to ruin a potentially cool concept by making the controller so unbearably ugly.

[@jonathankulesa]

My thoughts exactly… This thing looks like a late 90’s, early 2000’s Mad Catz abomination…

[@PhantasmXYZ]

@@jonathankulesa Astro C40 TR inspired it seems

[@xaytana]

I'd be curious what the long-term reliability of that face button mechanism is going to be. Having the buttons push on a U-shaped plunger, on top of membranes that can be notorious for splitting, feels like there's substantially more points of potential failure. I personally don't need it, I can understand why some people would like it, and I think it's a neat idea if it doesn't fail prematurely. I also wish the mappable buttons had a better layout, for so much functionality this layout is absolutely horrendous with so many functions outside of usable reach during gameplay, way too much thumb movement on the C buttons and way too much finger stretch to get the shoulders; the C buttons also defeat the purpose of having mappable buttons, mappable buttons are intended to move inputs away from your thumbs so that your thumbs are on the sticks nearly permanently. I also find the choice to make it a PS-style symmetric stick controller a bit odd when it's mainly a Switch and Xbox/PC controller; I'm not sure how much of the viable market is actually asking for a symmetric layout on these platforms, clearly not enough for many companies to invest into it. The Dpad is also interesting, were they intending on the diagonal gate making the cardinal inputs more accurate and rolling inputs more consistent? Maybe a Gen 2 of this will improve on a lot of things.

[@mrwoodcat]

why they NEED to make it ugly ? just copy dualsense can you ?

[@freedomdst]

i wonder how much you pay to change button layout, i find it useless. If you are buying a "pro" controller you wouldnt need to look into them. All these chinease controllers have decent features, but the quality isnt there, this one looks like cheap plastic.

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

An amusing, but comically pointless feature.

[@hardtobearit]

This controller could have been so much better. Lose the shitty button gimmick and opt for mechanicals and I'm not sure what blood magic needs to be done but get this thing both Xbox and PlayStation official. Cause you don't make a PS layout controller after MANY years and then not make it native to the home console it's derived from.

[@miecz8316]

so which controller is the best currently?

[@VKsChannel]

Vader 4 pro and apex 4

[@szekken]

@@VKsChannelbro what do you think about blitz 2 tmr sticks?

[@VKsChannel]

@@szekken got it today, I will test it and publish a review soon

[@szekken]

@@VKsChannel excelent bro!!!!

[@an_infj95]

Can I use it as a wired controller? If not, does it have any significant lag with wireless?