Game Theory: Was FNAF's Final Mystery REALLY That Simple?

[@HyperDroid]

OH MY GOD WHAT!!! THIS IS INSANE TO SEE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS! Funny thing about this is that I have so much MORE EVIDENCE I've collected since the video released that I am now 1000000% sure on it at this point and anyone still doubting it or unhappy about it I assure you that your issues will be addressed 100% and I will try to make you as confident in it as I am haha! Will be adding your new evidence onto it too Tom this is amazing. AH THIS IS SO COOL Y'ALL THE BEST!!! :D

[@BlockyTheBrickMaster]

Wow im the first reply! Congrats btw!!!

[@ked49]

Congrats.

[@Mackenzie-ch5xq]

Congrats dude! :D

[@HyperDroid]

@@BlockyTheBrickMaster FIRST REPLY, ggs

[@mo951]

@@HyperDroid you know i actl wach your chanel way before game threoy did a theroy

[@talkboutxarr]

Scott: yes this is exactly what I had planned Scott’s head: i just wanted to make a horror game how did we end up here

[@AzureIV]

I wonder if Scott is like that meme where everything he does is taken out of context by the community as some Master Plan/5-D Chess Move/Xanatos Gambit.

[@Pocket_Sized_Satan]

He actually made fnaf after someone made fun of his previous game’s saying the mechanics made the characters feel like animatronics. He was like, ok bet😂

[@biomseed]

You do find his head in fnaf world

[@mesaplayer9636]

Are you talking about the name or something else? While the name being solved is possibly wrong, it's safe to say the logbook is trying to give their names.

[@Deathvalleyherper]

​@Pocket_Sized_Satan it wasn't the mechanics, but the character designs themselves.

[@Celtic-Firebird]

To add onto the "Crying child is called Dave" idea, in the novels, William Afton uses Dave as an alias. His beloved son, now dead, becomes his false identity

[@grimlord3181]

Yeah, I noticed that too. Surprised he didn't mention that.

[@milesheizers]

yeah im also very surprised he didnt say anything about this

[@RyryNeko207]

Add the name of Edwin's son in the story "The Mimic", David. And he's a little boy who has a plushie everywhere he goes. And also the protagonists of the Interactive book "VIP" named Devon and Ike, two brothers with names similar to Dave and Mike. Also the drawing in the movie with the name David on it

[@caitbelart]

I was so sad when he didn’t mention it!!!

[@SouMorse]

Hyperdroid mentioned that in this video. Both Dave and David.

[@yowyouser]

Matpat: I'm retiring The internet: WE FOUND THE CRYING CHILD'S NAME!!! MATPAT: F***

[@OOFEYMM2]

Fr tho😭

[@Moravenka]

“You always find something when you stop looking” lol

[@jennifergumbrecht7060]

Man, if I had a nickel…😊

[@JesusTheOnlyWayyy]

Fnaf: please we have no more lore😭 Game theory: sounds like a challenge

[@Thil]

Literally. Cause it makes a LOT of sense. Makes me wonder why it was never solved (though it was, it was just ignored when someone else came up with the conclusion years ago)

[@Butter-Production]

​@Dontreadmypicture-j7o okay 👍 (ik its a bot)

[@ninjago0o9]

@Dontreadmypicture-j7o k i wont

[@Yammerzaki123fr]

@@Thilfr

[@Bluewolfzer]

Spongebob theory guy: Finally retires from his spongebob theories meanwhile Tom on Game Theory: ....getting more insane because of fnaf theories

[@SmokeyMarshmallows]

We can't forget that afton used Dave as a fake name in the silver eyes. It would make sense that he uses his beloved sons name as a fake name when hes not being a monster. That's supporting evidence from the franchise itself

[@cadenlowry2425]

The silver eyes came out right after FNAF 4

[@sophiadebar382]

@@cadenlowry2425yoo

[@Acatinabox]

Or he took his dead kids identity to hide

[@hobbinsjogsohn9996]

​@@Acatinabox Yeah I think that was pointed out in the original comment

[@stick7962]

Afton literally hates his kids

[@Allegroskate90]

I think the Dave solution also follows a similar flow as Cassidy, where most of the name was found through one method then Mike steps in to give the remaining letters. This also makes me think this is Mike kinda putting them back together by finishing the rest of the name

[@Fatt-en5nt]

I don't think it's a good theory though I even like Evan theory more and that's proven wrong many times

[@ertasgaming]

I like this actually

[@Fatt-en5nt]

@ertasgaming okay?????? I Don't remember when I ask but okay I guess ertagaming

[@mesaplayer9636]

​@@Fatt-en5nthow? Evan is solved the same way as Dave but Dave is more consistent than Evan

[@mesaplayer9636]

​@@Fatt-en5ntbro he wasn't even talking to you. I don't remember who asked for your opinion 😂😂😂

[@SansDiamond]

that intro legitemitely made me think that the crying child's name was Sebastian Max Dominic Austin Ian Isaiah Cameron Luke Everett Benjamin Alex Gregory Silas Garrett Cooper Caleb Victor Oliver Jesse Wesley Thomas Julian Finn Maverick Elijah Declan Theo Zachary James Evan Hunter Charles Brody Norman Aiden Levi George Vincent Noah Gabriel Henry Beau Adam Jack Xavier Lucas Carson Anthony Tyler Dave Oscar Nicholas Grayson Riley Roman Miles Jeremiah Leo Mason Dylan Chase Weston Christian Patrick Aaron Easton Eric William Andrew Cassidy Adrian Quentin Jaxon Nathan Ryder Blake Ian Joshua Connor Jordan Dave Gabriel Hudson Thomas Harrison Brayden Nicholas Logan Alex Cooper Elias Charles Gregory Aaron Dominic Cole Henry Jeremiah Afton for a moment.

[@Koranimorir]

It's probably the closest thing to his name

[@thefakejoel7323]

you really wrote this down?

[@jodieburton1827]

Wdym, it totally is!

[@placeandthink8728]

@@thefakejoel7323 you can select text through Google Lens

[@kye_the_possum]

Can’t wait to tell my children I was alive for the first episode of T.R.A.S.H.

[@PenguinNoob173]

same dude

[@faustinezamora8130]

Me too (Man I feel old)

[@Ashera5469]

Samr here

[@notscripted2530]

I thought it was gonna be Torty

[@exotic4362]

same here 🔥🔥

[@thegreyjedi2372]

"Do you have dreams?" *Dave, remembering the nightmares he went through* "I'm scared..."

[@Docktavion]

Yeah, it seems highly likely and fits “perfectly” well as a genuine answer to asking about dreams.

[@wheelockwarlock]

I'm very surprised that Tom and others thought it was a stretch. I think it makes perfect sense as a response even without the added context of the drawing, because dreams would include "Nightmares".

[@Docktavion]

@@wheelockwarlock the only thing I can think of, is that they wanted folk talking about it in the comments 😅

[@MsSHINeeTVXQSuju]

My thought exactly

[@LineOfThy]

@@wheelockwarlock it just doesn't flow very well tbh. requires more assumptions of his internal thought processes than the others.

[@jeremymorris345]

Honestly, "I'm scared" being a response to "Do you have dreams?" Isn't that far fetched at all. Nightmares are a type of dream, and Dave is clearly scared. Being asked that question then thinking about your nightmares/dream would warrent an answer of I'm scared. Edit: This is especially apparent when you realize little kids respond with "I'm scared," often IRL, and in a lot of fiction.

[@Betuor]

I feel like it goes perfectly well into dream theory territory too.

[@MegaBusterDude]

yea He was literally terrorized and it was a matter of survival for him. and the fact that his last dreams before he died were Nightmares. He was so traumatized that his only Answer to that would be "I'm scared"

[@avrilsilverio7868]

it also feels accurate to what a child would say, a literal CRYING CHILD would be afraid of his nightmares to the point that all he could say is, "I'm Scared."

[@r3ked272]

plus there's literally a drawing of a character named nightmare next to the question

[@TheDoc_K2]

yeah like, I keep hearing it be called "far fetched" and I'm just like, no? unless nightmares (which are drawn on the page the question is being asked) suddenly aren't scary anymore.

[@1gengabe]

"Do you still dream" > "I'm scared", does make sense to be, especially with, "does he still talk to you" > "I can hear sounds" the reason why, it makes sense to me because if the crying child is thinking of his dreams, which are probably more trauma nightmares, even without Mike's picture, his dreams are probably going to be nightmares, if he is thinking about them they are probably bringing back bad memories, then "I'm scared" seems pretty valid

[@zacvh_]

Maybe the blind mode in fnaf 4 is the canon way to play because he says “I can’t see” but still references the fnaf 4 nightmares

[@Spencycle]

Frankly, I'm quite surprised that Tom didn't bring up the clip where Hyperdroid mentions the movie drawings. In the movie, there's that one wall with a ton of drawings featuring the dead kids. One of them, as Hyperdroid pointed out in the video, has a kid with the name David writeen above him. First of all, this is the only drawing on that entire wall to actually have a name on it. Second of all, he's standing net to his mom, who has a strikingly similar design to Clara frm the Immortal and the Restless, a character who represents William's wife. And third of all, the mom who looks like Clara is also holding a party balloon, a possible callback to CC's birthday from Fnaf 4. This was the detail that fully convinced me of Hyperdroid's theory. And I feel like "I'm Scared" is a perfect response to "Do you have dreams" because of that Fredbear drawing.

[@junocross]

Clara isn't supposed to represent Aftons wife, she's supposed to represent Michael which is indicated quite a few times. But other than that it does make sense. Also in fazbear frights frights there were brothers literally called (M)Ike and Devan hinting at Michael and Evan/Dave imo

[@polybius8571]

@@junocross Regardless, Clara, THE BABY ISN’T MINE

[@JamesTDG]

It would be hilarious if the set designers accidentally did this

[@Spencycle]

@@junocross how is she meant to represent Michael?

[@CloudMouth27]

@@junocrosshis name is devon. also, that's an interactive novel, not a frights book.

[@TheVerdant01]

“When the Aftons speak, they sound British” Tom: excited tea-sipping

[@redwiltshire1816]

Even tho they sound English not British you can’t even sound British we have have 30+ dialects

[@-PotatoPuppets-]

LOL

[@Doze1202]

As soon as he mentioned the spanner, I laughed

[@Jumpyman_thegamerYT]

@@redwiltshire1816 There are actually even more accents, its closer to 40+.

[@redwiltshire1816]

@@Jumpyman_thegamerYT dialects are different to accents dialects are like entire languages within a language (e.g welsh-English in my case) so I have a welsh accent but i also speak a welsh dialect of English and yes it does sound complicated

[@Zen-db5pp]

Another thing supporting this theory that I don't really see anyone talk about is that Michael helped solve both names. He wrote the number for the word search and he drew Nightmare, which CC recognizes and is scared of. He helps with the last letters of both names, it really makes the method believable

[@Master_K14]

What's crazy is that I am seeing a comment right above yours which points out that very detail, wild how youtube arranges comments. Though that is still a nice catch.

[@yeetyeet7862]

Michael drew Nightmare because he saw it in his own experiences during FNAF 4

[@Zen-db5pp]

@@yeetyeet7862 You can guess why he did it all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it does lead us to anwsers in both names

[@prismleaf9458]

Random Fact: I'm from Utah and Hurricane is pronounced "her-i-cun" and not the regular way for some reason. Even the residents think its kinda weird, but they'll still get angry if you pronounce it the way it should be.

[@SharkoStuff-iz8gw]

fellow utahn

[@lukacunningham342]

“Right here is the real name of the Crying Child” Me thinking it is all the listed names: *oh dear god!*

[@pig3gu]

I wouldnt be suprised if Scott does that one day

[@ninjabluefyre3815]

What a coincidence. My name is also...

[@miss-socio-btpe]

LOL

[@NuggetOrBowtie]

There's more...

[@ValeBridges]

A real Hubert Blaine Wolfe + 666 Sr. moment

[@MaximusZayd]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="644">10:44</a> "He doesn't seem to care about him at all" Yeah, ever heard of a sibling before?

[@Smellytots]

I got nailed to a door because I wanted to play madden.

[@MattieTheDepressed]

@@Smellytots BRO WHAT ARE YOU OKAY?!

[@Smellytots]

@@MattieTheDepressed collar of my shirt not skin

[@Heroann]

yeah, I love my siblings too. But I still stole from my sister a lot of games and consoles to play with them and had a lot of physical fight with my brother.

[@MattieTheDepressed]

@@Smellytots ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh makes more sense

[@ilee5006]

"It's been years, Scott. What's the name of the crying child? 😭😭" "idk bro there's probably a name in there"

[@ultimatezayman]

Scott just doesn't know lol

[@theyreapollo]

I instantly thought Dave meaning “Beloved” would be irony. The mirror flips the beloved on its head. Symbolically, Dave is the opposite of his namesake, abused and neglected- dead and tormented.

[@MaRaMa-ARTZ]

I'm sorry that apparently them being British is a surprise for some when William AFTON is one of the most British names I've heard. Always gave me Victorian posh family vibes. Elizabeth too.

[@surpreemleadernoot]

Lol same

[@Deadpool-ri3rq]

Hurricane Utah is just an odd place to find a British family.

[@CloudMouth27]

@@Deadpool-ri3rqthey're illegal immigrants

[@ad3l547]

I mean every family names ending with TON must be British

[@GeorgeDCowley]

Haven't heard "Afton" outside of FNAF.

[@Fllie-ISyourBestie]

I noticed something interesting in the somewhat breaking rules part where in the Cassidy search it has to use Michael as a clue it also connects to how in the foxy grid puzzle it had to also use Michael as a clue so maybe it was intentional for both puzzles to have Michael as the clue to finally solve it

[@Fllie-ISyourBestie]

17:58

[@shayingle5674]

I was searching through the comments to see if anyone said anything about that part. It feels to me that Michael, being a part of the final clue for both, does confirm Dave to the name for the Crying Child. He is helping us find the last letter, the last clue for both 😮

[@iamwolf126gaming8]

Pretty sure Cassidy was trying to help Dave by making him talk to Mike because she was also trying to piece it back together but she remembered more than Dave

[@Fllie-ISyourBestie]

@@iamwolf126gaming8 That is interesting since there was a theory that Mike was the one to be put through the nightmares because mike draws nightmare, but maybe its just like you said, Mike is talking to Dave.

[@Fllie-ISyourBestie]

I've always had this nagging question running through my head but how does Cassidy know about Dave's memories like with the drawing of his toys. Is Cassidy talking to Mike? Like I feel like it kinda confirms that the two do communicate because it certainly can't be coming from Dave since Dave doesn't respond to those questions. I'm vastly confused

[@rorywood3605]

my theory is that scott watches game theory every so often to remember the lore

[@moonthesoul904]

Tbh, the "Do you have dreams" and the "I'm scared" make sense. Think about FNAF 4 itself? Isn't the crying child scared of what he's seeing throughout the game? And presuming that the stuff you see on the side of the room indicating that he's in a coma or dying, his dreams scare him. So that would actually make the most sense.

[@Trontotario]

Then what about I can hear sounds as a response to does he still talk to you, wouldn't it make more sense for it to be is this song familiar to you or as a follow up from I can't see

[@reigjinokou7035]

Honestly feel like "I'm scared" is an answer that makes sense to "Do you have dreams." An extended answer would be something along the lines of "I'm scared of my nightmares," Nightmares being a type of dream, or "I have nightmares. I'm scared of them." Considering the crying child is, you know, A CHILD, it would make sense for him to clam up a bit when reminded of something that terrifies him. Mike's drawing would just be there to help make that connection clear.

[@jeremymorris345]

Exactly, it's not that far-fetched at all.

[@Madlin-le9il]

i was thinking about it cause like, maybe he answered "i'm scared" as like "im dont want to remember" or "im scared to think about it"?

[@TimmyMUNCHI]

I think this makes sense

[@AB.TA452]

it would also be poetic as in the last letter in his name and then after reversing it becomes the first is gotten from a mention of dreams, that confirms cc suffered from the nightmares at one point

[@LineOfThy]

I think the point is that if it was the response, it could've probably been made way clearer. Intentionally obsficating it and adding a picture of nightmare instead adds an air of ambiguity.

[@peppergummybear]

I was thinking about Cassidy's question to Dave "Do you have dreams?" and Dave's reply "I'm scared" and, if you think about it without the picture of Nightmare drawn by Mike on the corner, it can make sense. Dave might have replied with "I'm scared" for a multitude of reasons. He may have said this because when he does dream, if at all, he only has nightmares that make him terrified. Now that question reads as "Do you have dreams?" and the response means "Yes, and I'm scared of them". Dave could have also replied with "I'm scared" because he is scared to see what would happen if he tries to dream. Think about it, if Dave is the protagonist of the FNAF 4 game, he probably doesn't feel safe trying to sleep after that traumatic experience, especially for a little kid. With this in mind, the question reads "Do you have dreams?" and the response means "I'm scared of dreams" or "I'm scared to try and dream" or "I'm scared of falling asleep". There are many other ways this two word response can be interpreted with or without the context of the Nightmare picture, but those are the ones that make the most sense to me. I just wanted to share my idea. I hope everyone has a great day/night!

[@knights4eva981]

This makes sense! (Specifically the second option)

[@iseeyou7032]

It could also be "I'm scared" and Cassidy respond "do you have dreams ?" to reassure him

[@yahyahabibi5638]

Everyone like this guy's comment so tom and Everyone sees it cuz its really good

[@peppergummybear]

@@yahyahabibi5638 Thank you! I appreciate that you like my idea!

[@1236789100]

I was literally about to type this down. You are on point 💯

[@stormy_person7530]

William Afton going by Dave Miller in the Silver Eyes is good evidence for this in more ways than just "he took on his son's name"; we've seen Scott reuse character names multiple times before, with Jeremy in particular being used as the name of a nightguard, a MCI victim, and a VR game tester.

[@suzie_do_you_copy]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="397">6:37</a> "DAAAAVEEE!" -The octopus in Penguins of Madagascar

[@FameIsSoLame]

bro me too thought the same thing

[@stat1c_xx]

I feel like it makes sense to use Michael’s drawing as a clue. Because, why is the grid specifically foxy’s grid? It could’ve been Bonnie, Freddy or Chica but it’s specifically foxy’s. Michael was wearing a foxy mask in fnaf 4, so to me it feels like that’s just a nod like hey maybe Michael’s drawings or writing can help? Just a thought :)

[@Deflamed_Sphere]

amn with the dave being the name thing. now all the new points are starting to make sense and align

[@AbbyCarroll-tp3ot]

oh that’s clever- i hadn’t even thought of that

[@deityjc]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="665">11:05</a> Clearly you aren't a sibling. Beloved siblings prank and bully each other often, especially when the older sibling is 5+ years older.

[@SirBerger]

Very true

[@PlushiePluto]

I was gonna say that lol

[@astatyn]

As the eldest sibling in my family I can confirm

[@thomasschellenberg3962]

One guy suggested that Michael grew to resent Dave because of his dad’s abuse (as shown in Midnight Motorist)

[@JTeenmining]

*looks at how I treated my younger brothers* eh... depends on the family I think, like... I'd always play with my brothers who were adorable... didn't really prank them or anything like that

[@AceJackWagon885]

Thomas: You see, the origins of the names of the Afton family align with the themes & actions we see in the games. Scott: I just thought William sounded nice

[@riskingrain1560]

Honestly a lot of writers and their audience with whatever name is picked for a character.

[@junocross]

Theyre all biblical names with a Christian meaning. Scott is a Christian and all his previous games had a religious message behind it. I think it's not a stretch to use the meaning of the names for evidence.

[@LineOfThy]

I mean scott is christian

[@djamtz]

@@junocross Not religious, faith-based

[@chicken_dude593]

these names are jewish not christian alot of names are they also just sound diffrent in english ​@Idgaf_21

[@mihajlopetrovic7605]

The most cobfusing part is the fact that we use a drawing in the answer even tho _Dave_ can't see...

[@Krakarot08]

Tom is going nuts, it’s official, but we love him nonetheless

[@homerman76]

It means he carries a piece of Mat with him :P

[@Krakarot08]

@@homerman76 Tom’s a true theorist at heart, we love to see it

[@azuremaster6757]

He knew what he signed up for when Matt retired.

[@Bluewolfzer]

Spongebob theory guy: Finally retires from his spongebob theories meanwhile Tom: ....getting more insane

[@maymuntaser5692]

Matt is spreading the virus!!!!!!!!! Hurryyy we need to Contain himmm!!!

[@MohammadAlbaqsami]

Tom is stepping in Matpat’s shoes; going crazy with every fnaf video

[@MohammadAlbaqsami]

@Dontreadmypicture-j7o ok I will obey the video and not sub to the channels

[@rashchoudhary3408]

It's a family tradition 🙋

[@seyyedmustafasahafeyan9124]

1:09 am rn lol

[@ImpostorTheNovaTar]

With this franchise, ya kinda have to be a lil crazy in order to be able to solve these mysteries.

[@oscarmarek7746]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="640">10:40</a> as an older brother I can confirm, those are the most loving things you can do to a younger sibling

[@Forgotten_Archivist]

As a younger brother, that's incredibly debatable :D

[@Stupidgirl-Animator]

As an older sister, I agree with you!

[@CommodoreRayne.IMP.C-1824]

Agreed. I miss the quiet days 😂

[@Master_K14]

As the oldest sibling can confirm.

[@Chaostar765]

As an older brother myself, I can confirm.

[@Tomfoolery426]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1171">19:31</a> its yes until someone proves it wrong again

[@platyplush]

"Trash" made me giggle and laugh that my mom texted me to shut up 🤣🤣

[@ialor790]

What does trash even stand for I mean t for tom

[@tadpoleisalive]

@Writer_Productions_Mapsubmitted*

[@noel737]

To add support for the real world argument for Dave (concerning the children’s names being of Hebrew origin): if I recall correctly, Scott was/is (i don’t know his life) a practicing Christian, so it makes sense he would look to the Hebrew meaning of names for building character connections and themes.

[@Mega-Brick]

It's interesting, because theology heavily encourages interpreting text as metaphor and reading between the lines. Maybe that's where Scott got his penchant for FNAF's preferred storytelling method.

[@Docktavion]

Yeah, a lot of his early games were based on religious themes. He’s a devout Christian.

[@cia4u940]

Michael, Elizabeth, and David were all names that appeared in the Bible, while William is not a biblical name. Not sure if that's what Scott intended, but it's interesting.

[@themoocow7718]

@@cia4u940apparently William means “strong-willed.” Which makes sense for someone who always comes back

[@maravreloaded]

​@@cia4u940 Makes sense because William is against the laws of nature and god by making living robots with soul juice.

[@JRBX-09]

Me staying up until <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="65">1:05</a> AM was definitely worth it.

[@BrollB]

*Gasp* ur mongolian too?

[@Urcasualdemon]

Australian alert

[@zafran715]

Definitely

[@BrollB]

Ur mongolian too?

[@GohYuHongCharlesChs]

Ultimate asia gang less goo

[@Pygargue00fr]

Here's a fewquotes from the silver eyes by Dave Miller that I believe goes along rather well with CC being named Dave: "We both wanted to love. Your father loved. And now I have loved." "There is now way out anymore. All that is left is familly." "They've forgotten. The dead do forget. All they know is that you are trying to take away theirs happiest day." We know that William loved his son Dave, in his own way. Happiest day is directly linked to Dave. Here's a potential conclusion: William crimes are, in his eyes, his twisted version of the Happiest day minigame where the crying child was freed. Instead they are trapped, forever stuck as animatronics. William put him back together within a robot...

[@0-M72-0]

I've always been a supporter of the Evan name theory, so I wasn't expecting this one to be any better. But taking the exact same method, but fixing the only part that didn't feel right? It's perfect. I love it.

[@Deflamed_Sphere]

agreed

[@Thatguy-v4z]

THEORY HEADCANON: The Glamrock animatronics are all fragments of Afton's mind. Sun and Moon is William's insanity and madness, Chica is his greed and deception(She tries to coax Gregory the most), Monty is William's rage, Roxy is his narcissism and self-hatred for his failures, and Glamrock Freddy is his father nature.(Maybe Freddy would have been a much more violent protector had it not been for Michael's spirit inside him)

[@3dluigi875]

This would make sense, especially with the whole glitchtrap arc. With William only existing digitally now, it makes sense. We know in fnaf vr they scanned in circuit boards to make the game, perhaps some of that data was used to create the glamrock anamatronics.

[@longfishy]

Cool idea! Except Michael isn't inside of him.

[@coffe3136]

​@@longfishy agree 👆

[@Pikach6508]

Good idea

[@gazzagog]

GET OUT!

[@EEVEEwolf1]

"Do you have dreams?" "Im scared" Could be that they are scared to talk about their nightmare, if it caused severe PTSD, that could cause it to be correct?

[@GeorgeDCowley]

Or they're scared the other one knows about them.

[@StaceyLuvsSnom]

And Dave The Crying Child is a child, this response makes perfect sense

[@SubscribeNewAsmrVideoEveryDay]

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[@anastasiaraelajynn]

Tom, thanks for including the end-message about hearing smaller creators/theorists out. That was really appreciated. And as someone who loves learning FNAF lore, I'm so glad it seems like we've finally solved this one!

[@Vannys_pizza_cutter]

The video: C.C’s name is on screen right now!! Me: you’re the theorist. Not me.

[@GigalassII]

We're all theorists here

[@stevenhunt6349]

On the subject of the Hebrew/Christian name meanings, remember, fellas. Scott is a devout christian. He'd absolutely put some kind of religious reference into the names.

[@ASR_0610]

I was going to mention that too.

[@maxmccarrick5671]

Firstly, no names (David, Micheal, and Elizabeth) are Christian nor have any association. David is from King David, Micheal (Mikha'el) is from Book of Numbers and Elizabeth is from Prophet Aaron's wife in Exodus.

[@LineOfThy]

@@maxmccarrick5671 those are all old testament, which are still part of the bible

[@djamtz]

Aside from the fact the man villain has been resurrected

[@maxmccarrick5671]

@@djamtz ZERO FNAF knowledge. Afton didn't die in Fnaf 1,2,3,4,5. He only died in 6. But even that's contestable with the newest fnaf game showing he was preserved in a tube thing and was fully conscious meaning he didn't die

[@isaavaroyal9363]

At first, Dave felt a bit out of place within the other names as a group since parents tend to name their kids something that can make cohesive sense together. Sometimes that can be phoneticlally, by rhyming them or even looking at it aesthetically. Michael has two syllables, and Elizabeth has 4. Dave has only one. I thought Dave could possibly just be a nickname. Maybe his birth name is David? Definately David, who names their kid a nickname? Then aesthetically the names are starting to make sense together. Michael, David, Elizabeth...Then why is Dave the only nickname? Okay. Dave, Mike and Liz. It then started making sense for me once I thought of it like that.

[@tannemin6758]

If you go with Mike, Dave and Beth they all have 4 letters as well.

[@isaavaroyal9363]

@@tannemin6758 Ooooo BETHHHH, that makes so much sense! I prefer Mike, Dave and Beth! I wonder if the first letter of their names or nicknames can lead to a clue for something...But thats for Tom to stay up over and for me to sit and listen to 🤣💅🧚‍♀️💖

[@mesaplayer9636]

​@@isaavaroyal9363I saw someone say the initials of Sammy Emily, Charlie Emily, Henery Emily say "Cheese" lol.

[@isaavaroyal9363]

@@mesaplayer9636 Ofc it would 😭😭😭

[@Gabija-tz6gv]

Also, not just parents, but children usualy tend to call each other by nicknames, so his siblings or kids he hung out with could have been calling him Dave.

[@chernobylwalker5698]

I just finished watching the entire five nights at Freddy’s playlist. It took me five days and I got to watch from the very beginning of this channel to Matt’s retirement and sometimes I forget how much this channel and community has grown but watching all of these videos one by one has reminded me and I’m so happy I’ve been here since the beginning thank you theorist team for making my childhood

[@Influence417]

Dave responding to Cassidy's question, "Do you still have dreams?" with "I'm scared" isn't really that much of a stretch if you consider the psychological circumstances behind it, and I'm not a physician. Dave's been tormented by Michael so much that all the kid can dream about is nightmares about the animatronics. Not to mention that Dave died as a kid, a kid who doesn't have the mental fortitude to stay calm under stress or fear, so fear easily overwhelms him and it's the only thing he can think about. So when Cassidy asks Dave if he still has dreams, I could visualize Dave going silent with his eyes frozen open as he recalls all his torment leading up to his death, curls up into a ball shivering with fear, closes his eyes, and whimpers with tears running down saying, "I'm scared." And I'm confident that Cass, despite being a kid herself, isn't that dense and can formulate an answer from Dave's reaction to her question especially if you put yourself in her position. And that answers would be, "Yes. This kid still has dreams, alright." She then could've asked more questions considered the additional faded text afterwards, but with no altered texts could mean Dave's too scared to talk.

[@daydreemurr8227]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="610">10:10</a> Ok… hear me out. Scott used the name David because the Hebrew letters literally look like a crying person

[@kalash_fox7049]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1231">20:31</a> Finally, someone was brave enough to say it.

[@richarddakazo2878]

Based+Agree+W

[@heresy7686]

True it is Canon to the Freddy cinematic universe

[@sharmins7284]

Mat pat: sorry guys..im retiring Us: we found the crying child's name!!! Mat pat: SUP YALL IM BACK AND I TOTALLY DIDN'T JUST RETIRE.

[@SansTheUnderman]

The real crying child we're the children we killed along the way.

[@The-EJ-Factor]

We are the children we killed along the way

[@Jomali]

"Cave, not exactly a name." "Cave Johnson here..."

[@taylorthemusicteacher]

I was screaming this in my head

[@themoocow7718]

"I'm gonna burn down this pizzaria! With the lemons!"

[@Reishi0306]

For those that missed it T-Tom R-reviews A-a S-submitted H-hypothesis

[@knights4eva981]

Thank you so much 😊

[@Gigidacool]

Thanks1!1!

[@sepehrpirayesh5286]

Thank you I was stuck on that

[@MatthewMorris6148]

I just realized I've been misremembering it. I thought it was: T: Tom R: reviews A: audience S: submitted H: hypotheticals

[@lady8rage]

I'm gonna sound crazy for saying this... but I don't even really think having to use Mike specifically for the last letter breaks the method entirely. Like from a literal pattern standpoint, yeah, I get it, but... The idea that Mike pens to page the thing he and his brother have experienced due to nightmares from their father, to me, is him reaching out to his brother. If he sees the text being altered too, in theory, he may be aware that someone else is answering them, and based on previous clues, it could be his brother. Doodling in a nightmare animatronic, brought on by the fear gas, is in a way a big brother stepping in to answer so that a little brother doesn't have to about a traumatic event, AND his own way of reaching out and asking if it's him. If he's right, and it's the only other person in the world that he knows experienced those things. It's not just Cassidy asking CC for his name. It's Mike asking if it's his brother.

[@Nora_Thorn]

I’m happy that everyone’s on board with hyper droids theory. It was a really good one and it solved with the biggest mysteries.

[@ontosinabyss5950]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="595">9:55</a> Even though Elizabeth doesn't follow the trend for the names of Michael and the Crying Child. Elizabeth was the name of the Queen of the United Kingdom that most recently passed.

[@DragonKiller-nw2ju]

Elizabeth is also in the old testament

[@Qwerty-poiuy996]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="11">0:11</a> ahh... What a Simple name say Tom What did It cost to Get that Name ??... Tom : Everything .. Matpat : >:(

[@void_guy1234]

I'm gonna read your name

[@redwing6174]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="10">0:10</a> it’s actually kinda sweet to see your own name up there especially when it’s not that common especially in media

[@digitalbadger89]

I think Occam's Razor also can be applied here - basically, they tried to make a good puzzle, and did a pretty good job, but stumbled at the end. In the GTLive that Mat and Ash were talking about this, he referenced escape rooms, and how something can make total sense to the designer and go totally over the heads of the players. Obviously they can't fix the problem in this instance short of releasing a new edition of the security log book, so it's a messy solution. But compared to Evan, Dave makes a lot more sense in the context of the FNAF Universe... well, as much as *anything* in this universe makes sense, I suppose.

[@randomdude7302]

imagine scott never gave the crying child a name, and we're all just idiots searching for nothing

[@junocross]

that wouldn't make sense at all The purpose of the security logbook was to find out the names after all

[@cosmicsilhouette3858]

@@junocross No it was to get more money.

[@Deadpool-ri3rq]

@@cosmicsilhouette3858stop being cynical.

[@hexa6672]

imagine scott just typing ''no.'' into comments of this video xD

[@cryptorborgjulien902]

Imagine him typing "yes" though.

[@jtteope1178]

he would realistically type “hmmm”

[@cryptorborgjulien902]

@@jtteope1178 true

[@PabisGB]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="482">8:02</a> “this detail could throw a spanner into the works”

[@krycha6326]

Also the name Dave kinda lines up with the Biblical story of David and Goliath David- Crying child Goliath- Fredbear And in the story Goliath gets defeated by a hit in the head and in FNaF CC mostlikely dies due to the bite in the head. So it would basicaly be the reverse of the story

[@romancano9275]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="639">10:39</a> clearly you've never had a sibling before, thats just brotherly love

[@DragonRoost1]

And jealousy...because his brother was more 'beloved' to his father then he was.

[@mesaplayer9636]

Nah this goes beyond just brotherly love. If you see this irl I hope you would actually try to stop it and not just let it happen. Micheal isn't bad for doing this he is broken by William.

[@MinaXD-someone]

Also in the movie Garrett who is the alternative version of Dave is indeed Mike's 'beloved'

[@mightygryffon]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="611">10:11</a> as a hebrew speaker, david doesnt mean beloved. It actually doesnt really have an origin other than the biblical one. What you probably found is the meaning for dod, meaning uncle, but in a religous sense could sometimes mean like caretaker when refering to god, and is spelled the same as david in hebrew <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="714">11:54</a> mi, which means who in hebrew and is the beginning of michael, is used almost exclusively as a question, and cant be interpreted at all not as a question. If you did want to say it not as a question, you could say hoo and bot mi, with hoo meaning he, as in a pronoun <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="743">12:23</a> sheva is a word from the same root as shvua, which means to swear on something, which in jewish religion is "worth" a lot more than a promise, so much that you need to make a sacrifice if you do not do what you swore on (today its a lot less serious as theres no temple but thats still what the meaning is as opposed to a promise). I think that the theory of it is kinda okay but still a bit of a stretch also because the name means to swear on something and not just promise, but idk Scott is not a hebrew speaker so the michael and elizabeth meaning could be how you interpreted them but the david is very much a stretch and a mistranslation

[@mo951]

So ture i am a hebrew speker to they did Their translation very wrong it so funy how bad it is

[@iamliterallyme]

The thing is that we can't adhere completely to linguistics when trying to attribute meaning to the names. Maybe Scott just did a quick Google search and chose them without looking deeper into it.

[@ScorpionTamer]

You do also have to take into account that the person naming these characters also isn't a Native Hebrew speaker, so it's very possible that Scott's research into these names may have lead to the same results as Tom's. That being said, using name origins here feels wrong to begin with cause none of the others names in this franchise are that deep. The chicken is named "Chika" for crying out loud. I believe Dave theory, but I don't think there is any deeper meaning to the names, just that Scott happened to like those names.

[@mo951]

Me to

[@DibellaThePan]

אני חשבתי אותו דבר לגבי דוד, אבל הלכתי לאתר של האקדמיה ללשון. מסתבר שהם אומרים שדוד איכשהו מקושר לאהוב?

[@laurengray2098]

Another supportive part of this theory that was mentioned on gtlive is that using the mirror to reflect the name puts the solution for Dave’s name directly across from the solution for Cassidy’s. This makes the ultimate solution of the log book both names, side by side in the exact middle spread of the book!

[@MagolorMasterCrown]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="951">15:51</a> I love to imagine William giving two of his kids fancy names and the other one he named cave 😂

[@OctoSplatterson]

CAVE JOHNSON-

[@Beachwaffle4014]

Vape:

[@vulpix9210]

Cave Johnson! This may be the actual answer :P

[@russellsample2763]

Hyper Droid also reverse engineered the tally marks to be just pointing to the start of Cassidy's name, which seems like the best answer we've had for those too.

[@pdg3513]

I have more proof that Dave is likely the correct answer. Look at the 39 red tally marks across the book. They are broken up into seven groups of five and then only one group of four. What name has seven letters? Cassidy. What name has four letters? Dave. Boom puzzle solved also explaining what the tally marks were meant for as well.

[@diana_the_goth]

Also what's been in my head was: If the CC's name is Dave that connects the lore of the games with the lore of the books again. In "The silver eyes" William Afton uses the name Dave in his disguise as a Nightguard, claiming it's his name until it's revealed who he really is. Obviously the lore of the games and the lore of the books is not the same but very similar. Elizabeth is mentioned there as Williams daughter yet no other Child of Afton is mentioned, which does not erase the existence of one more or even two more. Even in the books it is possible that the bite of 83 occured and the CC/ Dave was William Aftons kid yet just not mentioned in the storyline because of a lack of importance. WIlliam loved CC/Dave and therefore if Afton was emotional enough it could be the reason he used the name Dave for his disguise, to honor his dead son even though no one besides William Afton would know that.

[@aria_daize9926]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1046">17:26</a> Using mikes drawings for Dave doesn't actually break anything Think about it. how did we even tie Cassidys name to the missing child incident *because Mike drew a grave around faded's "my name* So if Mike is already helping us find Cassidys name with a drawing, it isn't a stretch to say he helped us with Dave's name too Also, to address Cassidys own random solution method, hyperdroid actually explains that the tally marks from Mike are what led us to originally start the solution. I kinda wish tom brought that up :/

[@logansgamingchannel6169]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1116">18:36</a>, this also makes a bit of sense. Both ghosts are missing parts of their memories. Michael just put the final pieces in place to restore their identities.

[@iamwolf126gaming8]

Yeah hence the reason Cassidy was also helping Michael by her making Dave talk to mike

[@benedwards5317]

I like that Elizabeth would be a far less popular name. Just because maybe William didn't really want a daughter so like how we see it in the vampire show from sister location he says the baby isn't mine he means Elizabeth isn't his. Which could help explain why baby always says she will make him her dad Willam proud.

[@RedbearRickyYT]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1140">19:00</a> Sometimes, Occam's Razor is the way to go.

[@Xylostor]

Took them forever to find a child’s name, took me forever to find out why

[@ShivDhan-qn7uz]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="646">10:46</a> Step Closer (Fazbear Frights #4) Confirmed This as Pete Bully's His Brother But He Does Cared For Him (Remember That His Parent's Had Divorced)

[@rabeckaleeann]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="994">16:34</a> Everyone knows the scariest thing in FNAF isn't the phone, it's...the FAN!

[@powerkjs7431]

This was probably mentioned loads of times but I feel like the response of “I’m scared” fits perfectly when the crying child is asked if he has dreams. In his dreams he is being terrorized by nightmares so when he is asked about his dreams he immediately mentions that he is scared. Idk to me it fits perfectly.

[@LittleLexi24]

It makes perfect sense as a child’s response.

[@thequiet5727]

The words “Final” and “FNAF” never work well together…

[@ninjabluefyre3815]

Just the final OLD mystery.

[@daisyjoy242]

Tom’s finally descending into madness, welcome to the family

[@nicholasbays8431]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@katiequeen2275]

i’d say that the final letter relying on mike’s input solidifies it even more given that one of the letters for cassidy’s name relied on mike’s input

[@Fllie-ISyourBestie]

Exactly what I thought as well

[@aplifa]

Me about to go through a hurricane: “at least I get FNaF lore” 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@myst._.ical.]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="35">0:35</a> ofc there's gonna be lore tom have you not learned from matpat?

[@pengie-gw2lu]

While the solution to finding the name Dave may be a little messy, something I think is important to consider is WHY it's messy. Why is it that for one letter, we have to take Mike's drawing into account? I'd say it comes down to a story. When Mike got this book, he realized that two spirits were in the book, one of which was his brother. If we assume that the four letters were communicated in the order E-V-A-D, that means Mike pieced together the letters of E, V, and A, realized that the other spirit was trying to help his brother remember his name, and answered the question that would give the final letter himself to try and help. Anyway, that's my take on it. (Also, the fact his tally marks were important for finding the name Cassidy implies that he was trying to help BOTH spirits remember their names, not just his brother.)

[@Kammy_dafox]

While watching this video, I did a dive to dive into the meaning of all the Afton's names. The name William comes from Germanic origin and means "desire." The name Michael comes from Hebrew, meaning "who is God." And Elizabeth also comes from Hebrew meaning “God's promise” or “God is my oath.” I feel like these could have some lore implications, especially with all of the Afton children's names deriving from Hebrew along with the fact that Scott is a Christian and there is some Bible imagery (at least I think so) throughout the series. Edit: This is why I should finish the video before commenting, I commented this 10 minutes through the video, and 1 minute after, he already brings this up.

[@Forgotten_Archivist]

Although it's good to point out the variant meaning of "God is my oath" because fnaf 6 shows that baby is more than happy to follow in the Afton legacy, as she doesn't regret what she does as an animatronic. The proof being in the fact that her eyes are *NOT* lit in the blob, unlike the rest who are red with Agony(save puppet, because no agony and no eyes)

[@katiekween547]

I think one point that wasn't brought up in this video to support Dave being the name is that in the original novels, Afton went by the name Dave. Which, if it was his youngest son's name, would make sense for him to be using since he had devoted himself so much to that kid.

[@BuzzLightbulb]

It’s not a “random mirror in the middle of the book”. It’s a mirror directly across from the word search. When you close the book, it faces it. The faded character asks “What do YOU see?” right below the mirror, and the only person they could possibly be talking to responds (with altered text) in the mirror with “It’s me IT’S mE ITs _ME_ CASSIDY”

[@guts60]

Perhaps the drawing came first, and Cassidy saw it and could see that Dave reacted to it. “Do you have dreams” in response to the Nightmare drawing, which nightmare is a sort of synonym for dream, and Crying Child says he is scared.

[@GeorgeDCowley]

*Nightmare* "I'm scared." "Do you have dreams?"

[@jackaronson4102]

I want to point out that Nightmare's voice line in UCN is "Im the fearful reflection for what you have created". What he's saying is he's Nightmare Fredbear's reflection (he's talking to William who "created" Nightmare Fredbear) and Mike's drawing is of Nightmare Fredbear so this may give some credibility to the whole mirror thing.

[@JaneBanda-r4i]

It's not cool to steal Sarah,Eleanor will be angry😂

[@mannyegarica12]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="537">8:57</a> This is proved my train of thought recently that Michael Afton has to be born in 1971 or 1972 . And if the secret of the mimic happens in 1979 that will make Michael 6 to 7 years old if he was born in 1971. Then If he was born in 1972 he would be 7 to 8 years old in 1979. And when the bite of 83 will happen he would be 11 to 12 years old.

[@MGMorgan]

Can't wait for another installment about the crying child's actual ACTUAL name

[@adrielricardo5342]

You should check the matpat review of this theory, and if you want, the original theory video, honestly this whole theory is much more solid than the others, and it really connects with lots of lore and things that Scott did trying to hint us towards something

[@treybrzezowski3259]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1232">20:32</a> Tom, I'm not hearing you out, and that's coming from a certified monster f***er.

[@haja.]

you must have bought your certificate then

[@treybrzezowski3259]

@@haja. Hardly. It's because Mangle's not possessed by a human, it's possessed by a Dog. We f*** consenting sentient monsters, not a non-consenting dog spirit bound to a robot by a psychotic British guy. (the face that this is now a discussion in _this_ comment section XD)

[@LadyOnikara]

@@treybrzezowski3259 I thought the cupcake was possessed by a dog. Is there two dogs?

[@Hard_UncleRuckus]

@@LadyOnikaraI’ve heard that mangle was chicas dog but that cupcake idea makes sense

[@LadyOnikara]

@@Hard_UncleRuckus The way that cupcake acted on the movie really reminded me of a dog.

[@MakaioEstrada]

Theory: jackie is not the mimic. Jackie is in a box and has a big spring for legs, the mimic in ruin has legs so the mimic needs to be a different animatronic.

[@cjaawesome616]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="14">0:14</a> Cooper representation!! All Coopers in the house stand up!!

[@competitivecooper]

Very well!

[@OddlyStrangeProductions]

STANDING!

[@mayatom123]

I'm a native Hebrew speaker - Just a couple of things: 1. The name David in Hebrew also comes from the word "Friend" (Yadeed ידיד). It might not necessarily be someone beloved, but it could be indicating towards a friend of the family... 2. The name Thomas would usually be Tom in Hebrew, not coming from the word twin (Te'Om תאום) but from the word for innocence, integrity, perfection, and lack of flaws (Tom תום). This same word and spelling can also mean an ending, or end. (not relevant but explains why you aren't a twin). 3. William can be translated into Betzalel (בצלאל) meaning in the shadow of god. The name William has multiple Hebrew translations, all coming from phrases such as "I am protected by god", "my guard" or "my watcher", and "my crown is god". This is just the form of turning the name into Hebrew, but it does originally come from the German Wilhelm. The names Michael and Elizabeth are indeed correct, and I just can't get over how much of a mindfuck it was seeing Hebrew writing in a Game Theory episode 😅😅 Awesome theory as usual! ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Yarden_B3]

אחיייי נחמד לראות עוד ישראלים כאן

[@mayatom123]

@@Yarden_B3 כנ"ל כנ"ל, תבוא כל יום

[@Killer3.0-clashofclans]

Matpat right now:(tearing out his hair and crying hard in a corner with the beginning symptoms of depression)

[@rizzamarizzama]

You know what I find supplementary and a subtle confirmation. Afton's alias in the books is DAVE. It's crazy that such a detail was present. Afton, after the death of Dave, took son's name as an ALIAS. That's incredible!