The Studio That BROKE FNaF Forever

[@Danerade]

Try Rocket Money for free: RocketMoney.com/danerade p.s. I’m sure a lot of questions I pose have answers/theories that could apply. I’m all for it so I’m down to read your guys’ thoughts, just remember everyone’s perspectives differ :). Also please consider checking out Design Frame’s video on Steel Wool: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5rYl3qQf7h-gpYsi=-wkJiKGU5-_GDlN4 He goes way more in-depth than I do and is worth a watch for your own knowledge (and before I get comments, I finished this script before his video came out, yes we have similar talking points).

[@ClassicTnJ]

Danerade, the link of discord server got expired

[@DanaAlexis-w9d]

Bro rocket money I thought you were batter then that smh

[@sam4gaming135]

Peice

[@Unicorn_and_Pumpkin]

I left another comment explaining in more detail, but this mess of a story calls into question what is real and what is artist interpretation about the original six games. Everything we see in those games likely was in this universe's version as well, thus explaining Ennard, Scrap Baby, and the other one you mentioned being in Help Wanted 2. However, none of this explains why Cassie's dad was in the pizzaplex before Cassie (judging by him being turned into the staff bot) or why him giving Roxy the mask in VR gives it to her physically.

[@someguyidkimrunningoutofus794]

​@ClassicTnJ the server died

[@blazie42069]

I do blame scott for not telling them the lore, which really fucked up the entire timeline that they have to fix

[@azimuddin1890]

@Blueguy404 To me, that’s a good sacrifice for the lore to be leak so a game’s story is good.

[@aiiv7839]

Pretty much. At least he took accountability for it in his second interview.

[@DWN021]

Probably the stupidest thing Scott has done, and he has done a good bucketful of stupid things. How are they gonna make the game follow the story... if you don't tell them the story?

[@ecw613]

He didn't have to do it for Help Wanted, which was way more simple in terms of story and it worked out wonderfully. He assumed he could do the same for SB, but with just how story driven that game is it crashed and burned. Just remember though, Scott always learns from his mistakes

[@aiiv7839]

@@ecw613 Which is something I like about him! Here's hoping it helps with SOTM.

[@memeenderman2170]

a whole studio of professionals vs scotts "solve my 3 riddles"

[@the_cat_the_cat]

it's insane that all scott had to do was just tell them that they didn't have to try to connect the dots he was giving them

[@namesmitt]

word for word

[@Imperial_Squid]

​@@the_cat_the_catthe FNaF lore has always just been like that Wallace and Gromit scene with the penguin laying train track directly in front of a moving train, it's wild that these people thought there was a master plan

[@traehignight]

@@Imperial_Squid Technically there was. Scott had planned the Mimic since 2019 and Burntrap(as it was originally intended to appear) was supposed to be buildup for the Mimic reveal.

[@mlag8858]

I wouldn't call them professionals

[@diananer]

The robotic animal folk do in fact act out of the ordinary when dusk strikes indeed 🇬🇧

[@msgen02]

If William Afton actually was the phone guy

[@purplepedantry]

@@msgen02 He's more concise lmao This is Michael as PG.

[@aruce9]

Honestly I don’t totally blame steel wool for security breach but I will totally blame Scott for being a bad producer and bad project lead. As someone who could’ve made the call for cutting back on the scope of security breach. That’s the role of a producer and Scott only really works as a solo developer and doesn’t really function best when leading a team

[@DissonantSynth]

Bump

[@jeremypanjaitan4039]

boowump

[@TheAbigailDee]

Yup!!!

[@crashbandit0483]

Into to the pit went fine thougj

[@no_fishman9669]

@@crashbandit0483 That's because Into The Pit was based on a book, so there wasn't anything to fumble around with, just a nice an easy game adaptation. They had a solid structure from the beginning, so it all just took translating it into a game format.

[@uiunleashed2990]

It was a culmination of pandemic, scott's bad communication, and steelwool's ambitions. Weather they improve, is left to be seen, but in the end it depends on the person. Some like the current ai driven story, some don't. All i know is i have more hope for the movie series then the games.

[@quintonheimann]

Don't forget Sony pushing for a Christmas release and not letting steel wool delay the game

[@dumbly-stupid]

@@quintonheimann i think people often forget that security breach (and HW2) was something Sony had a hand in

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

​@@quintonheimann Nope, don't bring Sony into this. Security breach faile solely because the decs are overscoping

[@quintonheimann]

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad dude, sure the Devs overscoped, but Steel wool wanted a delay so they could finish and polish the game, at least somewhat Sony said no so no delay (which people blame fans for sending death threats for it) If Sony hadn't denied their delay than the game would've been alot better over scoped or not

[@ConCatt]

I feel like the game has some big fundamental problems that just having extra time wouldn’t help tbh

[@TaxiBot]

If I had a dollar for every video depicting Steel Wool as the one ruining FNAF, I'd become rich

[@Alex-bg8fo]

I'd say both scott and steel wool lmao 😭so far i havent liked all of games from steel wool (yes, even ruin DLC, that one is overrated) it took so long for me to finally like a modern fnaf game which was the Into The Pit one.

[@theblazgamer5630]

@@Alex-bg8foafter fnaf UCN I was done with the series not as in hating it but glad to know we got a conclusion to most things. Once I saw gameplay of fnaf security breach I was like yeah no I’ll just watch game theory videos on it and security breach ruin was something I could care less about until Into the Pit came out that I like it actually caught my attention now I haven’t played it but seeing my favorite youtubers play it was entertaining.

[@ShamelessSlvt]

Both Steel Wool and Scott are objectively the death of FNaF 💅

[@Srdaph]

the fnaf Franchise failed to grow up with its audience

[@elitemores9450]

@@Alex-bg8foruin dlc was so trash idk why people were so dishonest about it.

[@cammyp4808]

Feels like you’re blaming steel wool a bit too much for the story being bad, especially since it’s entirely Scott’s fault for not explaining the story to the team. They worked with what they were given, and that was just a bunch of blank puzzle pieces they had to mash together. Scott should’ve corrected any errors Steel Wool made in interpreting his story before the game launched.

[@dyspunktional]

RIGHT exactly. Scott shouldve been the one to communicate what story he wanted to tell if he had such a specific vision in mind. throwing what probably seemed like random easter eggs at the studio during production isnt how it shouldve been handled

[@Adventist1997]

@@dyspunktional When did Scot say he had any oroblem with this specific game?

[@anonymouswinter]

​ @Adventist1997 In the latest interview Dawko had with Scott, he admitted he hadn't shared the plot of the game with Steel Wool during development. Instead he just gave them ... pieces? I'm not sure what he meant by that, but even he understands that it was a mistake and that it isn't Steel Wool's fault that they tried to make sense of whatever he was giving them. There's interviews with Steel Wool employees that verify this too, with them saying that there were sooo many miscommunications with Scott. He'd just tell them to add something to the game without further explanation so they... came up with an explanation themselves, which maybe they shouldn't have, but the game had to make sense to the player as well so... I wouldn't be so harsh on them. Scott asked way too much of them with FNaF SB, considering they were a small team of VR game developers before FNaF. Overall, if we're blaming someone, it should be Scott. Even if this was his first time working with a team, having everyone on the same page is like... something you learn in highschool? Team Project 101, if you may. It's the first thing you do when you arrange a team!!!!! How he never caught up with what was going on during revisions is beyond me.

[@Adventist1997]

@anonymouswinter I interpreted that FNAF SB was the one they messed up on. He mentioned how SB was meant to have Burntrap just be an illusion/ghost. I don't recall him saying HW was messed up.

[@anonymouswinter]

@Adventist1997 Oh sorry, I thought that went without saying, I was talking about SB too

[@puppixy]

as an artist myself of well over 10+ years, i can say that tracing isn't inherently bad. Many artists use tracing as a way to learn and develop new skills. However it IS bad when you decide to post the traced work on social media and doing so without crediting the original artist or without asking for permission. Tldr: tracing good if kept offline / for practice reasons. Tracing bad when posted

[@loodgack]

I agree. I think at some point, every artist is tracing, HOWEVER, if you post any of those on social media, especially making it obvious that it is for a paid project/smth you get money for, do not expect anything good. even my mom could trace, then hire her! I'm not even mentioning myself, starving artist.

[@theindestructibleone483]

As well as profiting from it

[@kaye_kayeslider]

When it comes to artwork I’m actually pretty scummy and just remove watermarks from artwork out of spite, and I do trace a lot, but I never post it lol. I guess I’m just content to be quietly evil and spiteful

[@Elephantian-joy]

I don't trace but I look at a picture then draw it on paper so I more so copy

[@3DFella]

@@kaye_kayesliderWhat artist hurt you dawg

[@Bethany_Bradley]

While I agree that letting such an amateur studio like Steel Wool handle a game like Security Breach was a bad call, and the leadership on Scott’s part absolutely could have been better, I still can’t really deny the clear passion and care that the studio seems to have for this franchise. You honestly just have to look at an event like PaxWest 2024 to see that. They could have just set up a small area to play their new game demo, but no, they commissioned a well-known community cosplayer to make props for the whole event, added in games like arts n’ crafts, and gave away some of their props for free at the end of the event. I also heard that they even asked the people who played their demo for feedback on the game so they’d know what to improve. Honestly, this action as well as Ruin and Help Wanted 2 have showed me that Steel Wool does care about doing right by this franchise as well as the fan base, no matter how “in over their heads” they can be sometimes. It’s why despite everything, I’m actually really optimistic for Secret of the Mimic and everything that will come afterwards. Heck call me too positive and trusting, but I actually feel confident about FNAF being in the hands of Steel Wool now that I know from countless accounts just how sweet and dedicated the staff really seems to be.

[@dumbly-stupid]

from what i've heard from people who've played the demo at pax west Steel Wool was specifically asking on how to make it scarier

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

those games pop off because they're not overscope like security breach

[@crashbandit0483]

I don’t like how they showcased the demo though online a bit. It would be better to get online feedback

[@Mailpaper06]

Heck the Pizzaplex shows their love for the series. The amount of attention to detail and care put into it is insane, yes they went overboard but the care is there. All they need to do is stop focusing on the art side of things too much and put more focus on the gameplay.

[@xana3961]

You can't make a game without passion. You can't make a game on *solely* passion. It also requires skill, dedication, and intelligence. The studio had the dedication but it didn't have the skill and their project lead, scott, didn't have the intelligence.

[@bensaxon5762]

scott being the main culprit to why fnaf story is so trash is like,so meta

[@nicholasaugello2534]

That interview where he had to answer that question about why Security breach's story was so confusing even for a fnaf game the moment he said he didn't give the devs the full plot of the game everything made sense It just makes me want to see the story Scott actually wanted to tell here.

[@kauanjos3199]

It's literally what happens in a minigame of fnaf world and it's too funny

[@nicholasaugello2534]

@kauanjos3199 Scott kinda sorta already was canon to the games in Fnaf world and it's not the canon ending but he does exist! And Fnaf world actually is canon to the main series games but he literally can be canon in the same way the nightmare Animatronics are imaginary villains created by the crying child during his coma before dying.

[@gittattle]

There's only 2 people in the world that knows the full truth of fnaf's lore, and that's Scott and matpat, and neither of them are gonna actually tell us

[@Imperial_Squid]

And both of the above have different ideas about what the full lore should be too (Almost like it's a hodge podge of random ideas cobbled together over the years... Nah, that couldn't be the case!)

[@charadreemurr8673]

Scott literally admitted that he doesn’t even know what’s in the box anymore. He doesn’t fully know his own lore.

[@JodiGeo]

Yeah no, MatPat most definitely did not get told the lore Bro was on a GTLive stream saying how the MCI didn't happen in 1985 but instead 1986 and will still time to time spurt crap about the books being exclusively parallels to the games. He probably just met Scott, chatted with him over some food and then said goodbye

[@gittattle]

@JodiGeo yeah I ain't reading all that

[@Imperial_Squid]

@@gittattle bro, it's 3 paragraphs... Do you need Subway Surfers in the corner just to read KZbin comments? Lmao

[@Christin919]

3:36 it turned out that the reason why for the original teaser is because the devs legit thought that the models were made by Scott because how good and accurate they were to the actual games

[@at_witts_end3470]

And then cue a few years later, Kane Carter of POPGOES fame (the game where the model came from) officially was hired by Scott.

[@WeegeeJump]

this isn't a good excuse. They still used fanmade models, and it could have been easily prevented if they just did their research

[@alexanderthegreat-mx5zu]

​@@WeegeeJumpI don't get why this is even an issue to begin with,the model itself is exactly the same as the og one,do you think they stole their work because they didn't want to do it themselves? Come on,man.

[@WeegeeJump]

​@@alexanderthegreat-mx5zu what? the fan made model is not exactly the same as the og one. the issue here is that they used models that they didnt have permission to use

[@alexanderthegreat-mx5zu]

@@WeegeeJump In literal terms,it isn't,but it's so close that you couldn't tell the difference,(almost as this was the modeller's intention),and especially at the cover since only the top of his head is showing,anyone who would whine about this is the immoral one since they are willing to gain attention while putting others down over a mistake.

[@QuaversYT]

In my opinion Steel Wool didn't ruin anything, they were rushed. Weren't told the lore properly by Scott. Being the man he is he did admir his faulf in an interview. I have faith that once Steel Wool truly gets their feet under them they'll do a great job. But until then we've got so many fantastically made fnaf fan games to play and praise till Steel Wool's next game.

[@absolutechadd8895]

Bruh, just watch the video mentioned in the pinned comment.

[@wafagdplqs4421]

You know what, I am confident that they will improve. Only the future will tell of course but I'm hopeful because I look forward.

[@skelebonez1349]

They’ve been improving That’s what annoys me Sure story wise they haven’t done a good job displaying all of it but I feel ruin and the vr games to A lot of people that is It’s made a fair amount of people feel like steel wool can do good Something that annoys me with this videos how it comes off like I’m being talked down to and listening to a passive aggressive narrator while buying and wasting their money for people to see because it’s funny to themselves

[@skelebonez1349]

Obv fnaf sb wasn’t great I agree to that but I feel all the points have already been made and feels tiresome And then twisting words of what steel wool say or what steel wool does and assuming a fair amount

[@skelebonez1349]

My apologies for the long replies but I feel it was the best way for me to express why I personally dislike this video and what annoys me about those who are avid steel wool haters like danerade

[@wafagdplqs4421]

​@@skelebonez1349don't worry, it's important to make yourself the most understandable. I agree with you here, although I don't think he is an actual hater (mainly because I've seen WAY worse), he is quite passive agressive and it does feel like he's just repeating the same SB critics over and over again.

[@skelebonez1349]

@ I agree a lot And yeah I got a bit to wrathful there but yeah it’s something I dislike about his content(or more so with this video at least) He’s passive aggressive with the criticisms and repeats the same stuff It’s no different than other things like the mascot horror stuff

[@anna_3035]

3:38 as an artist I can confirm that it’s not okay to trace any images, that are not your own and posting them publicly as if they were. Especially as a company with such a huge audience you should know better…

[@RangerW3]

Yeah, and I’m pretty sure you could even sue if they used your art for commercial purposes, right??? Not a lawyer, or a professional artist, but it just seems like something you’d be allowed to sue for…

[@azzy-551]

@@RangerW3 if only there were laws around the right to copy something. Some sort of.. copy... right

[@MoonlightLunaticz]

@@azzy-551what a splendid idea

[@quintonheimann]

Though this isn't really tracing, it's editing renders, that are (to their knowledge at least) was owned by scott the team made an error and accidentally grabbed a fan render

[@Markm8]

Yea and you whould think they would have all the fnaf assets to use whenever and wherever

[@netherpearlnp33]

3:41 As an artist - Do I condone tracing? Yes but actually no. On your own, tracing can be proven to be a learning tool. Like if you're having trouble with a pose, expression, anatomy and etc... I traced a bit as a learning/younger artist myself and was able to get a better understanding of anatomy through it thankfully. HOWEVER, a line needs to be crossed if you straight up copy a person's art 1:1. If you say it's your original work and post it on social media, you're likely to get backlash and that's probably earned. Like I don't see Steelwool crediting the original artist/modelers here. So hence why I think this was only meant to be a concept image. Or at least practice for the artists working on help wanted. To nail down proportions or get a feel of the characters. Something along those lines- and then when Scott asked: "Hey do we have any promo material?" Steelwool sloppily finished and handed it over. OR option B they didn't think anyone would look that deeply into it.... But whose to say I'm just an Artist and former FNAF fanboy .p.

[@quintonheimann]

this isn't tracing, it's editing renders, which is different to tracing as it uses the photo itself as the art instead of it being a base to create a new piece , and steelwool most likely assumed the spring Bonnie render was one of Scott's render and didn't know it was a fan render until it was pointed out to them

[@netherpearlnp33]

@quintonheimann I was mostly responding to the "is tracing ok for artists to do." point. Think it's still incredible unprofessional to use someone else's work (and a fans' at that!) Without credit or knowledge of it being used for that purpose.

[@quintonheimann]

@@netherpearlnp33 to be fair, not even steel wool knew it was a fans

[@jacobafterdark5258]

Cannot completely confirm but I understand why artists would trace to learn. as I have never traced art, like ever. I only do stuff without references or anything and it’s still fun, but I can’t get even close to drawing people. Tracing stuff and then bragging or even selling stuff is outrageous tho.

[@dan.hd.c]

The lore stuff was Scott's fault

[@dylanhudec979]

He’s so addicted to his own trash lore he doesn’t even tell steel wool the whole story when they are literally trying to make a game based off the story he’s talking about now that’s just dumb

[@Conclusionary3843]

I don't even think Scott knows the story anymore.

[@dylansharp8471]

@Conclusionary3843 How so?

[@dylansharp8471]

@@dylanhudec979 Trash?

[@Conclusionary3843]

@@dylansharp8471 Look at the answers he gives to Dawko in his interviews when asked about lore. That and also as explained in the video Scott didn't tell the full story to steel wool which lead to heavy miscommunication and now the story is no longer as Scott in visioned.

[@EggVisconti]

The reason the save system is like that is because it's what Alien Isolation does. It would build stress and terror because knowing the animatronics are right behind you as the save slowly goes through should be scary but the animatronics aren't the Xenomorph

[@Lunarcreeper]

The saddest part of security breach is that the endings aren't just "comic books", they are literally just the storyboards with added color and animation, they just completely fucking gave up.

[@NibbleBiscuit64]

Think I read up somewhere that the comic endings were more of a visual clue. The fully rendered and animated one is the canon route while the others that are comic book form aren't which means no one but Glamrock Freddy and Gregory were saved.

[@nanuqo2006]

@@NibbleBiscuit64 No lol. The 3-star ending is the canon one. That's been obvious since Ruin came out.

[@redwiltshire1816]

@@NibbleBiscuit64no the fully rendered one is non-canon and burntrap doesn’t exist anymore

[@TheResidence.mp4]

If I have my FNAF lore right, everyone here is right. At one point in time the fully rendered cutscene was canon, but with Ruin's introduction, the Princess Quest ending became canon and Burntrap is no longer a part of the timeline

[@ConCatt]

Imagine having the fully rendered cutscene ending not be canon in your game lmao

[@no_fishman9669]

I'm glad people get to catch on, how much Scott fumbles as a creator, instead of pretending he's some mastermind with high IQ master writing, and it only took him surpervising an indie game studio for people to finally realize that. Remember guys, Steel Wool is ran by people who try their hardest, to keep the legacy alive, while they do deserve criticism, don't forget they're still dependent on Scott as the person with the copyright... or however this legal thing works between them. Edit: Ok, watching the video till the end, Steel Wool really needs to lock in, the fuck were those interview responses

[@reaperz5677]

Dependent on Scott or not, they suck as a development team. They're over-ambitious, and their leadership is garbage. Blame Scott for the lore (although the miscommunication should be blamed on both of them, not just Scott), but know that Scott is not responsible for the development of Security Breach being absolutely horrible.

[@no_fishman9669]

@reaperz5677 yes true they definitely need to scale it down with their projects, but saying it was mainly their fault feels rather bad, and makes them seem like a scape goat for the community. Look, i've been out of the fandom ever since Sister Location, and i'm still confused on that whole Scott's retired thing.

[@nokrot]

Well, you yourself said it: Supervising a indie game is not the same as writing it ._. And trying your hardest does not justify major bugs, 0 game design and awful writing xD

[@no_fishman9669]

@@nokrot Yea i know, but i mean like, i don't see exactly what he can and can't work on, and if him retiring even ment anything in the long run.

[@shutup4748]

@@no_fishman9669 blaming it on Scott seems to be the scapegoat for Steel wool. People need to stop defending them so they aren’t complacent to keep producing shit.

[@Chaotic_Overlord]

1:14:35 I am pretty sure the answer to this question is him being in safe mode after his system crashed in the opening cutscene. 1:17:05 While Roxy is alive after her "death"; (Honestly, I think that's also implied to just be a reboot but I may be wrong in that) that final line could be of Mr mimic since he can be heard mimicking Roxy during the fight between them.

[@dumbly-stupid]

yeah Freddy literally reboots in the opening and Cassie does the same thing to Roxy that she did to Eclipse so it makes sense she didn't die. She rebooted them which flushed the virus out of them just like freddy

[@orange_turtle3412]

“Safe mode” on computers is typically a mode that boots with only the basic software needed for it to run, no extra applications or software. Freddy starting in safe mode would run only his default programming, not whatever additional software was added to the others to make them aggressive. Hes friendly because his basic software is designed to interact with and entertain children, not hunt down and kill them

[@hitomi8797]

I simply find it hard the game went from being a security guard at a pizzeria with moving robots to a gigantic pizza mall with a virus and a whole restaurant underneath it, and whatever the mimic is. My brain literally can't comprehend that they are the same franchise

[@panpan5778]

"The animatronics get a bit quirky at night" - phone guy maybe

[@azimuddin1890]

Ralph the Phoney: The animatronic characters, do get a bit quirky at night

[@admiralAlfonso9001]

0:18

[@demonfromunderyourbed4580]

but does he blame them? no!

[@Bjuren]

I want to tell you how much I love this video.. This 2 hour long rant about Steel Wool lives rent free in my head. I have now watched it a total of 8 times and am going back in for my 9th.... the comedy, the writing, the jokes, the intonation, delivery of the lines, the voice and tones ranging from dry bored to full sarcasm and fake surprise which I love. The way you emphasis what you're talking about with the tone of your voice. honestly it's everything about this video. I love it so much. it makes me crack up laughing with tears rolling down my cheeks. the writing, the vocal delivery, the editing and the topic puts this video in my top 5 favorite youtube videos ever of all time.

[@rosestar1324]

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[@DaGamingCore]

"Ruined fnaf forever" from one mid game is crazy Lets ignore that Scott is still writing the story and everything that released since SB ig

[@dylanhudec979]

His writing is terrible

[@DaGamingCore]

@@dylanhudec979 how is that Steel Wools fault tho was the whole point i was making

[@dylanhudec979]

@@DaGamingCore Never said it was all I said was the story is still terrible

[@Tryppo-Music]

@@dylanhudec979I agree. RUIN has my least favorite moment in the series from a story perspective. When we find Roxy under the forklift she completely loses all of her personality and for some reason starts to talk about Cassie’s birthday as if everything is fine.

[@SnoFitzroy]

And let's not forget the idiocty in the New Lore regarding Afton = Does he "always come back" or not??? Afton says "I Always Come Back" literally the first time that he has ever "come back" and then if you don't count Glitch/Burn to be Afton that means he "came back" once, THEN said "I always come back," then disappeared forever! If that line was meant to be a throwaway, Scott needs to SAY SO

[@riptyde]

If Scott already had a secret story that all the little puzzle pieces Steel Wool was given fit into and thus he didn’t want them creating their own story for those pieces then why the hell didn’t he at least tell them that?? Like it’s weird enough to just not tell them the lore at all but you’re also not going to tell them that there’s already existing lore for the game they’re making???? That’s so super weird

[@TheHENOOB]

Scott thinks they are going to spoil the lore for MatPat's sake 💀💀 Never heard of NDA's 💀💀

[@ZelotKing-dk1qh]

I feel like people are to harsh on steel wool. like didnt scott just not give them the story he had in mind? Just made them make their own

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

They have alright to be, they play their part in this as well not just Scott

[@HallowzDev]

Don't be soft on them either. Yes I agree they shouldn't be a fault for the issues with the story because that was Scotts Job but they are responsible for everything else. They made a buggy and a objectively bad game that was still not fixed after many patches with them saying they were content with the game. I think it is crucial we criticize steel wool so they will clearly know what to improve. I really recommend you watch design frames recent video on Steel Wool, it goes into more detail than I can write here.

[@roamn4979]

​@@HallowzDev While that still does not excuse them fully, I think that it is important to remember that being told the story bit by bit and having to constantly change/add/remove story stuff can also impact the development of the gameplay and systems severely.

[@loodgack]

and then you tried the HN2 DLC's, also made by SW

[@kolkagaming1234]

I don’t like how the Mimic copied the Form of Springtrap/William Afton to pretend as if he survived the Fire at the end of Pizzeria Simulator when in reality the real Springtrap/William afton is dead.

[@uncorpsceleste]

the mimic is a cute concept but also an extremely dumb way to “bring back” afton. let him die !! bring in a new villain !! goodness.

[@kolkagaming1234]

@@uncorpscelestethank god the Mimic was a fake copy of William Afton, because God for big that William Afton comes back over & over again much like Sigma from Mega Man X.

[@at_witts_end3470]

Almost like it's kinda...his whole thing to mimic people or something

[@HaddzCrepper]

if you didnt know, that ending is not even canon so it doesnt really matter afton is dead

[@Tran3x72]

​@@at_witts_end3470what a garbage villain

[@SwaggyG_2102]

An hour long FNAF video? Oh, how you spoil us, Danerade.

[@FartyIsFarty]

It's actually closer to two hours my fine feathered friend 🤓🤓🤓

[@Duffymuffy]

I see you everywhere. And you have good taste I'll tell you that.

[@FartyIsFarty]

@Duffymuffy Heh... thanks bro 😼

[@NocturnalLaVenge]

I completely disagree with the last part. Feels like you are blaming SW for a lot of things that they couldn't account for and misrepresent a lot of stuff. Like, how are they supposed to know what Scott wants them to do with the story, when Scott DIDN'T tell them what the story is supposed to be? Ofcourse they had to do the course correction together with Scott, when he realized that he messed up. They also had to deal a lot with COVID and Sony's deadlines, which is A LOT of pressure, ESPECIALLY when you yourself just have said that some of them are not even game developers. And why are you putting off sourcing as a negative? Many companies do that, there is nothing special about it. Overall, a good video that went downhill at the end. Looks like a lot of negative bias. I'm glad that i have a lot more confidence in Steel Wool. They clearly love the franchise and clearly are good artists. If they learned at least something from SB (which they most likely did, Ruin and HW2 are a proof of that), then SOTM and whatever comes next looks quite promising. Hope they will give DJ Sterff to Q&A their games more, he is one of the main reasons why Ruin had almost no bugs on release.

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

Good for them for listening to criticism and gives people hood games like help wanted and ruins. but you don't have a right to be offended on their behalf

[@NocturnalLaVenge]

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad I missed a point, where i was offended? Pretty sure i only pointed out with what i disagree and what is my perspective.

[@DesignFrameCaseStudies]

These are common excuses from the fandom and I implore you not to engage with lies. The lore is only one aspect with the dozen of other post-launch issues, and Scott's incompetence with the lore doesn't excuse Steel Wool's handling of general storytelling that wasn't in Scott's control, though I'll go into excessive detail in a future case study. The issues occurred in preproduction before covid, and a further deadline can't fix a fundamentally broken game (not talking about the bugs). If you want to know the truth behind Steel Wool and Security Breach, I lay out overwhelming evidence in dedicated case studies.

[@NocturnalLaVenge]

@@DesignFrameCaseStudies I know about your video and i can't handle watching it because you do not hide your disdain toward SW there. And since you have the right to do it, i have the right to not engage with your content and search for this topic from someone with less aggressive approach.

[@DesignFrameCaseStudies]

@@NocturnalLaVenge Ah, yeah, the fanbase tends to hide behind the lies of attaching disdain to the topics alongside the obvious production lies that you mentioned, so I understand.

[@noname-jt6kl]

My biggest issue with ruin has always been how there is zero threats. All the enemies just stay still doing nothing most of the time or can be outrun by walking

[@MutantMasterRace]

Good video other than the last section. Completely dropped the ball there. It's just a whole section of seemingly purposefully taking stuff out of context in order to make Steel Wool look bad. I'm not saying that Steel Wool isn't at fault for the buggy state of security breach, but you're purposefully manipulating the framing of the words of the devs in order to convince us of your point. The worst part of the modern state of the franchise-the lore-is ultimately the fault of Scotts' terrible management. Also, outsourcing is extremely common in game development, especially considering Steel Wool's small size. Ultimately, your conclusion of Steel Wool being the main issue with the franchise nowadays is completely unfounded. Steel Wool isn't the reason the lore is busted, which is ultimately the reason we aren't happy with the current state of FNAF. Steel Wool could've made a great game with connected lore had Scott gave them more information and time.

[@vhs-star]

THIS

[@DesignFrameCaseStudies]

The lore was handled terribly by Scott, but that doesn't excuse Steel Wool's handling of general storytelling. And the lore is only one aspect alongside the dozen other post-launch issues. The quotes are not taken out of context. If you want to know the truth behind Steel Wool, I lay out overwhelming evidence in a dedicated Steel Wool case study.

[@shutup4748]

@MutantMasterRace all of their games had horribly story telling and honest they were all somewhat lackluster. If i had to pick the best game it would be HW2 simply because from a gameplay perspective it was actually fun, non repetitive, and somewhat unique. However, i don’t think the quality of any of the 3 fnaf games they made are very high, and defending them like you are only makes them complacent to keep generating shit games and pass it off as “good enough” because they know people will defend them.

[@HallowzDev]

Both steel wool and scott should be held accountable for the state of series now.

[@typervader]

Yea i stopped watching the video with that. FNAF HW and HW2 are like 2 of the best games in the entire frahcnhise what does he even mean by 'they are bad and terrible games' This whole video comes off as him praising the orginal and hating the steel wool era for no real reason

[@ShadowKosmos]

Bro... the amount nitpicking you did is ridiculous. Yes, Steel Wool deserves legit critiques. But bro. Youre mad cause Nightmare Bonnie is a darker purple? Cause Lolbit had a couple eyebrows? White Eyebrows on its white face? Come on bro. Lol stick to their legitimate failings. They have plenty enough to not have to poison the water with these non issues.

[@at_witts_end3470]

"Plushtrap in this image is withered and has sharp teeth like a nightmare" Who's gonna tell him that's just what Plushtrap looks like.

[@theindestructibleone483]

You say that but you're quite literally nitpicking his entire video just for that, he brings genuine points and even points TOWARDS steel wool doing stuff good

[@aiadeva]

Did you watch the video? ^^' he said in the video that yes this is nitpick and he knows that but FNAF is a franchise where every single pixel is overanalized to understand the lore. So something like adding brows to a character that didnt had any before or changing the color of a model (ESPECIALLY when colors have such a HUGE importance in this franchise) can add a lot of confusion and also makes the game way less polished.

[@lewiswilliams3347]

He also cried about the texturing of nightmare Freddy in an in development build of the game🥱

[@HasibHasan-q8y]

​​@@aiadeva Yeah, but the part where he (for some reason) thought plushtrap's model is different in the hard mode is stupid. He said that it looks like a nightmare version of plushtrap (a character who's already been a nightmare animatronic since his first appearance), that one is not a fault on steel wool, that's just him assuming something for no reason.

[@mywaterbrock_isgo]

My ADHD ass bouta watch an almost 2 hour video in full with chicken tenders as a support

[@NoppyOwO]

that is so fire

[@sunfastrose]

I 100% am onboard with the idea that Steel Wool scope crept themselves into trouble with Security Breach. An interesting approach could have been to tweak the game setting slightly; make the megaplex be under construction. Some areas could be fully built while some would be rough. This could be a way to build out a slice of gameplay and do it well, then expand with DLC .

[@the_godbodor7026]

To be fair, I don’t think Nightmarionne being in HW is them incorporating non canon stuff (at least not now) since it feels like they’re kinda retconning Nightmarionne into Nightmare’s original spot, which I don’t really mind.

[@ORandomRicky]

The last section on "Steel Wool's Legacy" genuinely blows. The amount of misinterpretation you do in the interviews is really baffling, and I am not even gonna start about the outsourcing part, since I do not even know what you were trying to do there cause "outsourcing" especially ports and animation, is mostly normal in game development, especially considerating Steel Wool IS a fucking indie studio without a Nintendo ass budget to work with and limited time. The most ironic thing was you calling them "arrogant" when you through that ENTIRE SECTION sound pretentious as fuck, actually embarrasing, OH, and "I make my criticism out of love" isn't a excuse lmao. As someone who genuinely thinks your videos present a lot of fair and interesting observations on game criticism, I am super fucking disappointed, which sucks cause the rest of video is genuinely pretty good :/

[@Chaotic_Overlord]

Yeah, like, the bit about JTop saying:"Oh, I wouldn't really change It cause that might be a person's favorite part". That doesn't mean that Steelwool thinks sb was flawless, all It means is basically:"That's the game that came out, It could have been better but now that it's out, that's what It is. We are proud of what we made and would rather move forward than change the past". Geniualy mind boggeling how he could have missinterpreted It so badly. Edit: And before anyone says:"Oh, but you can't know what they meant; you don't know these people". I am not saying that there's no critisims you can give to Steelwool; but I geniualy don't think anyone can extrapolate what he got, unless actively being malicious.

[@ORandomRicky]

@Chaotic_Overlord Yeah, besides that, the fact this video also ignores that a LOT of the problems these games suffer can go to Scott since like, the dude still owns the franchice and is the producer, which franfly from the way the Fanverse was handled between other dramas, the man is a TERRIBLE producer. Still respect his work obviously, but it's clear he isn't the best in a executive producer role, probably would help to have someone else to help him. Steel Wool definitely deserves some blame over how Security Breach was handled, but Scott is also a big factor on why that game came out as it did tbh.

[@ORandomRicky]

@FiremanSamBoy2008 True, I just think some of the observations he makes about the games ARE fair, but yeah, those faults don't mean they ruined the franchise, if anything the PRODUCER ruined it's own franchise by being a bad producer (Scott).

[@ichigokage]

Yes they can be considered an indie studio. That doesn’t excuse them demanding so much money and fucking up so badly. Scott told them to do some things. But only they decided to make SB as bloated as they did. Even forgetting Vanessa/Vanny. She did next to nothing in SB for all her build up. They overshot. They can take the criticism.

[@ORandomRicky]

@@ichigokage There's criticism, and than there's being a dick, which is what Dane did here. Sure, they can take criticism, but a lot of that criticism could go equally to Scott, you know, the PRODUCER of the franchise that fucked up by not really communicating what the story would be, and looking at the final product they gave him and say "yeah, this is good! release it". They made the game yeah, but Scott should have payed more attention to the production of the game tbh

[@anonymousapproximation8549]

Best way to describe post UCN Fnaf, imo, is that it wants to be a forest without the trees. It wants to be a mystery, but there's nothing mysterious to put together, because all of the information is either front and center, or it's never shown at all until the story demands it so. Edit: Additionally, Post UCN feels like it's trying _so_ hard to justify it's shitty story and character writing. It calls back to itself like "see, guys? Isn't this character/situation/whatever super cool?" while also failing to justify itself _because_ of that.

[@PhantomNugget]

At least the vr games are great. Cant complain when only really one game of theirs is bad. They are very talented people and sorta helped fnaf get as far as it has in recent years

[@Kasien.BKMRBBC]

I agree mostly but you're pushing it towards the end

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

i wouldn't complain at all if they only make VR games but no they have to make something they never make before: a free roam game where they put too much stuff in it and later become a disaster known as Overscoping

[@Kasien.BKMRBBC]

@FiremanSamBoy2008 they are they did not do all that 🙏 fnaf would have gotten this far without them

[@Kasien.BKMRBBC]

@FiremanSamBoy2008 Ohhhhhh then nvm you good 👍

[@ginnogianni1980]

@@Kasien.BKMRBBC If fnaf stopped at ucn it wouldnt have gotten this far what are you on 💀

[@jairusmc3893]

FNAF SB is probably the biggest example of overambition. It is a charming game, but a game that's far too bloated to really capitalize on what it offers.

[@abacaxigomes4416]

Bad leadership on Scott's part. madness of creating a map so gigantic that it is not suitable for the gameplay of the game itself on SW

[@diegogonzalez8506]

I once described FNAF lore as the "Western Kingdom Hearts" at this point because you need a whole damn bible to explain everything then and now to someone who doesn't understand it. Them retconning things over and over again just makes it all spiral and make it even MORE confusing. My brain hurts when I have to piece it all together sometimes.

[@puggospizzeria]

Burning that fnaf plush hurt my soul...

[@monobro141]

Rip Glamrock Freddy 😢

[@demonfromunderyourbed4580]

fr sure the game is a shitshow but the plushies are still cool and to my knowledge somewhat limited :(

[@Rockycane]

Didn't you abuse your old editor?

[@Alex-bg8fo]

what are YOU doing here 💀

[@Leefbay]

Unrelated Comment: RIP Danerade's Czechoslovakian Server. I'll miss being there due to some of the members being fun to chat with.

[@FartyIsFarty]

Gone but never forgotten ✊

[@ATomato]

lowkey place sucked

[@DragonDude233]

Wait his Discord server is gone?

[@Shane_McGillicuddy]

Rocket Money... more like... stop trying to Rock Chica...

[@thedwmaster1243]

Oh it's you

[@memoryofsalem4474]

"If he cut his face off hed be dead" .... No? Not even close? Sure it would hurt a lot and sure blood loss could eventually get him but no he wouldnt just be dead, do you have the alightest idea of how human anatomy works?

[@wolfietronic356]

He'd be dead but springtrap is perfectly logical to still be alive

[@at_witts_end3470]

​@wolfietronic356exactly. You literally hear bros heart beat in his salvaging section of FFPS too! Remnant and agony can do funky stuff, man.

[@shutup4748]

speaking from experience

[@yesandnogamerproductions5733]

You’re not totally wrong, but any normal human would’ve probably passed out due to the physical trauma, shock, excruciating pain, and extreme blood loss, and would quickly die to said blood loss. Jeremy wouldn’t survive his face getting cut off like that

[@mesaplayer9636]

​@@at_witts_end3470 so remnant disappears when it's a paper guillotine, also as others have said you probably wouldn't immediately die. Bite of 87 guy didn't die.

[@fazbearentertainment1374]

"I am willing to say Steel Wool may not be the right fit for this series" You can think what you want, but that doesn't matter. This is not your vision; this is Scott's vision, and we can clearly see how that vision paid off in FNAF HW, HW COD, HW 2, and even Ruin. The only game where they messed up is in SB. They were a VR game developer with a huge vision compared to their abilities, and Scott didn't tell them the story for such a large game. That's why SB is kind of bad. But Scott learned his lesson about not sharing the story, and Steel Wool learned how to manage a project. They also learned how to have a better vision for the scope of a game and how to handle a non-VR game. We see how this paid off in Ruin. Even if people don't see Ruin as a great game, it's a lot better compared to SB and it is an acceptable game. They've said they won't fix SB anymore, and I don't understand why people are angry about Steel Wool Studio abandoning it. This is the best decision they made so they can focus on other projects. We see how this decision paid off in Ruin and HW2. Imagine how long it would take to make SB perfect-such a waste of time! If you say it's the wrong mindset to set deadlines for your games, you're clearly unfamiliar with game development. Ask any game developer, and they'll tell you there has to be a point where the game is released. Otherwise, they’ll never release it because they won't be satisfied with the final product. All the issues with Steel Wool only affected SB. They've learned their lesson in Ruin and moved forward with other games. So I don't understand why you think Steel Wool Studio doesn't fit FNAF. They've made only one bad game and four good ones (HW, HW COD, Ruin, HW2). As for the story, they did their best to fix it, and I think it's good now. The old era focused on the Afton family and the ghosts. The new era is about the consequences of the Afton family's actions, the Mimic, the greed of Fazbear Entertainment, and the agony of the past.

[@DlrtyRecord]

boy, i sure do love fnaf fans who can’t let shit go, this fandom is great

[@eliptical7033]

@@Bearman8443enjoy better games and it wouldn’t be a problem?

[@higueraft571]

​@@eliptical7033 -Skibidi Toilet Man

[@dylansharp8471]

@@Bearman8443 That's sorta me with recent MCU things.

[@theindestructibleone483]

Indeed, this is in fact shit lol, we can't let go because we want it to be good unlike what we got

[@reubenc0039]

​@@eliptical7033 based and correct

[@Ultra04channel]

I just think it's funny that both Security Breach and RUIN copied Terminator in different ways. SB: Chica gets crushed in a trash compactor, and tries to reach out and grab the player. RUIN: Everything about the Mimic is a direct copy of the T-800. They are both robotic endoskeletons with red glowing eyes, and human-like teeth, which mimic voices to lure in their target to kill. They also both reach through bars and try to grab the protagonist at the very end, in very similar fashions.

[@at_witts_end3470]

Scott's a HUGE terminator fan, and wrote a T2 joke script for the movie. So...it's very likely T2 was a huge source of inspiration for Glam Freddy and Roxys dynamic

[@Ultra04channel]

​@at_witts_end3470 Which makes a lot of sense for Freddy. Though, I will mention that I wish they would've gone more in the direction of the first movie, since it's more horror-centric.

[@at_witts_end3470]

@@Ultra04channel here's hoping we can get a SB movie with the Cawthon Cut story.

[@StingRai08]

@@at_witts_end3470 the cawthon cut XD

[@at_witts_end3470]

The fact people still think Glitchtrap is William or mimic is a retcon makes me happy. Because it shows that despite yall apparently "hate the mimic", youre still falling for his act. Hes been tricking you and you fell for it every single time.

[@at_witts_end3470]

Like...I feel like I'm bart watching sideshow Bob walk into rakes everytime I see an Afton truther

[@nokrot]

Well, when you have a character that it's only explained on books... That's exactly the point, tricking sounds more like make confusing something simple

[@at_witts_end3470]

​@@nokrot Ugh. Do I need to quote Handunit again: "RECREATING PERFORMANCES AND PERSONALITIES IN AN INSTANT." RECREATING AS IN REPLICATING. AS IN MIMICKING. HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF A PLOT TWIST IN YOUR LIFE BEFORE?!?!

[@friendhuman]

Scott has said before that the story has been retconned numerous times. Its not a crazy stretch to think this is one of them

[@at_witts_end3470]

@@friendhuman he said there was one retcon and it was seamless, lol. Mimic was never a retcon. He was a plot twist. Matpat literally predicted the mimic in his first help wanted theory. The pieces were all in place the whole time. ORGN proves this. Its a teaser and scrapped Easter egg (after it was connected back to Showbiz) showing a beaten up looking Endo head. That's the Origin of Glitchtrap. The old head of The Mimic.

[@shadowbook4]

0:22 Thank you for saying it.

[@ferringsylveon219]

Burning that Funko Glamrock Freddy plush is what I actually feel about it. XD

[@ViddysVids]

Can you do a gambling video next please

[@FartyIsFarty]

Hey.... that's not a bad idea...

[@Danerade]

Since you asked nicely I’ll consider

[@Foekoe]

10:17 pls don't cancel :(((

[@ReubensStuff]

i agree dont cancel

[@ISleptWithBro]

Same, don’t cancel

[@elfrangofrito]

You edited two hours of video in three weeks?????? I would never be able to do that, even if I crunched myself to oblivion. Respect.

[@MochaSlushes]

I know nothing about fnaf, but I’m pretty sure this video is solely putting steel wool down to put mega cat up and campaign for them to be in charge of every single fnaf game onwards. And I mean, from what I’ve seen the vast majority of people enjoyed security breach and some of the most popular characters from the series (glamrock freddy, sun and moon) are from SB. I mean, KZbinrs are really good at exaggerating how bad something is anyway And also, why do so many KZbinrs put steam reviews with changed text in their thumbnails? Probably a weird tactic to gain traction

[@honeyybutter]

omg this, like steel wool has messed up but it does feel like this creator just hates them

[@StingRai08]

danerade has always been very skeptical about steel wool and a hater of security breach since the beginning. i dont think he's the best source for an unbiased analysis of steel wool's actions, as he's been negative towards them since day one it seems. while certainly an entertaining video, not the most accurate by a longshot. again, *scott openly admitted to barely communicating to SW.* if the man with all the answers in his mind didn't give the answers to the developers, how are they supposed to write the right directions? while it is true steel wool made these inaccurate games, the lack of communication from scott is the most prominent problem, NOT steel wool themselves.

[@MochaSlushes]

@StingRai08 you guys are making me kinda nervous, like you’re acting like steel wool is problematic in some way and they’re morally corrupt. did the ceo get exposed for something or are you guys just upset with how they handled security breach

[@demonfromunderyourbed4580]

@@MochaSlushes I mean they did take a beloved game and made it a buggy mess with a confusing story (can it even be called a story?) because they're incompetend, set out to do more than they were capable of and STILL double down trying to pretend like the game was a success despite the majority of the fandom either hating it or being painfully neutral towards it

[@MochaSlushes]

@@demonfromunderyourbed4580 that’s not what im concerned about. I’m concerned about if anyone was exposed for grooming or having an abusive relationship or something. Not whatever expectations they didn’t live up to.

[@KanderUdon]

I stand by the fact that the jeremy story is one of the best moments in all of fnaf. An actually really unnerving story told in a very concise package. Jeremy has been built up in the previous tapes along with his eventual fate and that moment is just an awesome payoff. Tape girls ideas about ink and the Halloween mask also just add some classic fnaf confusion into the mix while also being a really creepy way of describing the situation. Also to comment on the idea that jeremy couldn’t have cut his face off, that is 100% what happened and it is definitely possible. You can cut or rip your face off and survive as long as you only go for the outer skin and appendages like the nose and lips. Tape girls mention of tape girl not being able to see his face along with the ink and mask make what happened pretty clear. Glitchtrap tried to control jeremy, jeremy cuts his own face off to prevent this, he briefly survives and tries to do something in the VR game before he dies, and then he dies probably from bloodloss. He could have also potentially survived due to some HW2 info but I digress.

[@the-official-master-gamer]

13:41 he turned into perfect cell

[@TheFlinchyDinosaur]

3:20 I'm specifically stopping your video because of this point. Tracing models happens a lot during game production for promotional material to ensure that the art styles match. It's especially common for small studios which Steel Wool definitely was at the time. I don't even like Steel Wool but if this is the tier of arguments we're working with, I have no interest in watching you nitpick for 2 hours

[@TheFlinchyDinosaur]

Yeah I made it to 14:29 but you're literally just nitpicking every single test asset that accidentally got left in the game. There are valid reasons to criticize steel wool and hell even FNAF VR, but this ain't it The level of consistency you're suggesting isn't feasible for the size of the team trying to tell the stories these days especially with the scope those stories are trying to hit

[@benwelsh5265]

There have been some highest of highs and lowest of lows with the Steel Wool run of FNAF but I really am confident in that they have been gradually learning from their missteps and that they really do have the potential to take this franchise places.

[@Unknowncameraman15]

I agree

[@aiiv7839]

Agreed!

[@the_godbodor7026]

Actually the likely route the Mimic is going is that it is mimicking Roxy after the elevator fall, using her casing as a costume and mimicking her voice to trick Cassie into leading it out of the sinkhole

[@at_witts_end3470]

We'll likely see this in EftPP as the other books seem to push the loop idea, so Cassie's bonus route being her removing the Vanny mask would make sense.

[@mrp_izza]

​@@at_witts_end3470 how lost am i? tf is EftPP?

[@at_witts_end3470]

@mrp_izza they're doing a series of interactive novels (Choose Your Own Adventure Books). There's The Week Before (about Phone Guy), Return to the Pit, and Escape from the Pizzaplex (about Cassie)

[@turkeyman9914]

@@at_witts_end3470pretty sure eftpp is a prequel to security breach.

[@traehignight]

@@at_witts_end3470 You forgot V.I.P. I would like to make a slight correction though, Monty is in perfect condition in Escape from the Pizzaplex so it is most likely Cassie backstory and not part of a loop

[@jessicapatnode1344]

What is the music he’s using? I freaking love it.

[@mysterypie]

Im not gonna lie, I thought you died for some reason.

[@ItHamBoi]

??????

[@warrockenjoyer2170]

Nah, Dane just regularly goes though hibernation months on end

[@josephross8753]

He did, this is his ghost, oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@upmost2766]

After making this videoI wouldn’t be surprised…

[@1slayer959]

24:45, most of those critics are valid, except for the critic that he'd be dead. Springtrap is literally a thing in this universe

[@at_witts_end3470]

And Springtrap has a beating heart in FFPS at that!

[@ASAPNoCap]

There one slight thing you got wrong that isn’t too important, but it should be known. The person that made the FNAF games only made FNAF 1, 2, 3 and 4. Meaning the bigger scale games (i.e. Sister Location and FNAF 6) were not actually games in the lore.

[@ASAPNoCap]

Besides Ennard being in Help Wanted that just doesn’t make sense

[@speedyspot]

It's definitely 100% scott's fault for security breach's story. Any of those issues in SB I can excuse steel wool for, however they were directly responsible for making the game "10x" their original idea, therefore stretching themselves thin. The bugs and the overall sucky gameplay are on steel wool in my opinion.

[@chaosfox8832]

Makes me wonder how things would have turned out if the community didn't bully Scott into 'stepping down' over who he chose to donate to. Probably still cryptic as hell, but maybe less glaringly so...

[@B00TLEGSF0RALL]

No. Just because one game was bad doesn't mean Steel wool ruined fnaf forever. For fucks sake it's been three years get over it

[@Adventist1997]

Facts... And Scot admitted it was HIS mistake by not giving enough lore for instead of bread crumbs in SB.

[@at_witts_end3470]

He's just salty Afton is rotting at the bottom of a lake right now and the mimic is the new big bad. :/ That's literally all it is at this point.

[@SnowingNorth]

​@@at_witts_end3470you don't have to reply to every comment to make a point you know

[@HallowzDev]

No, its good to point out issues in the game no one has talked about so steel wool can improve.

[@dylanhudec979]

@@SnowingNorth he’s a mimic glazer Of course he’s going to be an annoyance to people.

[@mxganyu369]

"how does cassie's dad giving roxy a mask affect her appearance in ruin?" help wanted 2 takes place before ruin. simple. a huge part of fnaf lore is that its NOT in order of how the games were released. cassie's dad giving roxy the mask is steel wool TELLING YOU DIRECTLY WHEN THE GAME IS.

[@at_witts_end3470]

Same with you giving Cassie the Vanny mask, and Glitchtrap being burned onto the wall outside of PQ3 in Ruin. It's meant to say "Glitchtrap died before Ruin and Ruin is AFTER HW2"

[@Jaws-lt7ud]

With all due respect, and I dont usually do this, but I would just like to analyse some of ur points about Steel Wool, now, I know usually, u do very well-researched videos, seeing ur PVZ video long ago, and how well-researched it was, I would like to say that I dont think Steel Wool is as bad as u make them out to be, they aren't perfect, but they are no triple A studio levels of dickbags, and im not sugar coating it, lets be real, as much as I liked Security Breach, its a bad game, period. But I wouldn't say they're souless and terrible at their job, u can tell that they have a passion for this series, which is very hard to find nowdays in studios, I think we shouldn't paint Steel Wool as they're villains, and start to criticise them from an actual constructive view point. I think the biggest fuck-up Steel Wool did, was in the release of Security Breach, the game came out way more expensive here in Brazil for one day, but it felt more like an accident than a scam. I think Steel Wool isin't a bad studio, they are just...new...which isin't necessarilly bad, you also seemed to have miss-interpreted some of the interviews. I really am not coming out as someone who hates this video, I just want to tell u what I think is wrong. And for the people saying: Blaah blaaah blaaaaah, we cant be nice to them either cuz they need to learn!!11!!!!11 I agree, a 100%, but theres a clear difference between saying things that are accusatory at best and actual criticism. FNaF comunity has been in a pretty divisive spot, and I honestly feel like we all just need to start being more critical about Steel Wool rather than explosive.

[@TheHENOOB]

Everything goes wrong in discussions when Steel Wool is placed into lore discussions and not about game design, stability, etc. When clearly it was Scott who screwed up the lore which apparently did the same thing with Mega Cat Studios on Into the Pit. Parece que tu é BR conhece o Toy Core?

[@Jaws-lt7ud]

@TheHENOOB I agree, Scott WAS responsibile for the lore fuckups. Sim, sou BR mané, kkkkkk, e sim, conheço o Corinho, kkkkkkkkk.

[@bapho-p]

Weighing in about the tracing thing as an artist: Tracing is fine. It can be a way to learn how another artist does something you like (how they handle line weight, as an example.) Posting it is another thing. If you do, you want permission, and to explicitly lay out what happened ("I traced (x)'s lineart and then colored it all in my coloring style," as an example.) When it comes to 3D modeling, "tracing" is super common. You usually will "trace" 2D art of the character at various angles in this scenario. NOT other people's models. I don't do 3D things nearly as often as 2D, but I assume in *non-commercial circumstances,* the same applies. If you were to post it, you would want permission, and to specify which parts are derivative, and which parts aren't. In commercial products: you don't trace. That's a scummy no-no.

[@freddyfzd]

Not gonna lie, this video just sounds petty and just a cheap shot at saying "I just don't like Steel Wool! And I'm proud of it." Most things you mention are not constructive, they are Unfair, Nick-picks, and also seem very petty. Also how are you still Blaming Steel Wool for how SB came out Scott has already stated it was HIS FAULT!? Hold up for second, let me also add Covid had also beaten up the development when making SB just like MANY OTHER GAMES!!! On top of that the last section, is HORRIBLE you also had to pull the "most criticisms are out of love" is COMPLETELY A LIE (for this video) Most of these 'Criticisms' are just stupid Nick-picks and many sources taken out of context.

[@HallowzDev]

I'd recommend Design Frames video on steel wool as a better source of constructive and valid criticism. He really gets into the real problems at steel wool and does good research.

[@Tryppo-Music]

I highly doubt it was Scott’s idea to remove the save system after 6 AM. Steel Wool might not be entirely to blame but they are definitely not a competent game studio.

[@loodgack]

while the video is indeed very negative, I'm one of the people, who kept giving chances to SW myself, just to get disappointed again and again. they are good with VR, ok! but they made 3 UE4 free roam games I myself played with, and they are all garbage. I never finished SB, because I died during the credits, and I just got tired of it entirely.

[@monobro141]

THIS IS NOT A HATE COMMENT but please read I deleated my old comment since it got a lot of backflash after I said that I don't like Security Breach and prefered the og games.Though I do think I've should've explained why I personlly felt that these games fell flat (If you like Steel Wool FNAF go ahead all I wanted to do was give my two cents about one of my favorite franchises) 1: All I did was simply say " I wounder what this game would be like if it wasn't rushed" since there is A LOT about this game that I did like like The graphics Gregory and Glamrock Freddy ESPECIALLY An official free-rom FNAF game I love the concept of a kid and his friend snooping around a closed location overnight I KNOW Scott didn't give them the full scope and it's not really a reboot but the game looked like it was gonna be a new era of FNAF kinda like a soft reboot like how in Sonic Fronteirs the characters felt like how they were rather than being characatures like in Sonic Forces)after the og story ended in FNAF 6 and I think that if given another year it could be the best one because I REALLY WANTED TO LIKE THIS GAME AND I SEE POTENTIAL 2: I just don't like the new villains Vanny BARLEY exist Mimic sucks The glitch dude isn't even a threat just take the mask off 3: I just think Ruin is mid simple as that 4: I don't care for the books because they don't interest me hel I didn't even like the original novel trilogy All I said was I wanted a reboot to give this franchise a nice make over because even back then the lore was hard to follow and we've already delt with The Afton Family in FNAF 6 so I though we needed a new villain with a new story but this one simply just didn't do it for me Sorry if you like these games and that I'm not a big fan of this era but i'll stick to the first seven and Help Wanted one and two being the best

[@dylanhudec979]

I honestly thought glitchtrap was gonna be William but as something more terrifying than he once was…. And not what we got (glares at the mimic)

[@raikojanes5972]

man i can't believe Steel Wool didn't listen to Scott when he told them the story, which he clearly did, god i hope Scott fires them and make Mega Cat the lead devs for future fnaf games i'm totally NOT being sarcastic

[@at_witts_end3470]

I sure hope mega cat studios doesn't think Vanny is William Aftons daughter who gave candy to the Glamrocks to make them sentient? What the fuck WERE those Vanny mini games supposed to be saying? Aside from non-canon nonsense.

[@turkeyman9914]

@@at_witts_end3470i’m pretty sure scott made the same mistake but with megacat lmfao.

[@demonfromunderyourbed4580]

@@turkeyman9914 yeah they're talking about megacat

[@raikojanes5972]

@@at_witts_end3470 don't worry, Mega Cat are the Good Guys, they'll do the right choice actually now i think about it, why was Vanny planned in ITP? she wasn't in the original short-story. did they make those minigames just to cut them? or maybe it's remnants (no pun intended) of what the original SB story was in minigame form for some reason? or maybe it's meant to be Mega Cat showing the middle finger to Steel Wool?

[@at_witts_end3470]

@@raikojanes5972 definitely don't think it's like that. I think they saw people wanted more Vanny and so they tried to add her to the game and then Scott had to pull them aside and was like "no. Guys. Stop. Just adapt the Stitchline stories and tease fetch. Please. I already have enough shit on my hands with Steel Wool messing up SB."

[@djuv4375]

Hmm so the team that based a game on a "cool" looking map since it was impressive rather than having a road map. And not knowing when to end production on a game did a bad job? Crazy.

[@Nightfoxx444]

It makes me happy that many people in the comments seem to understand more of the production of Fnaf SB and how it wasn't completely SWs fault. Game being made in the pandemics while Scott was "retired" and didn't wanna tell Steel Wool the story for SB.

[@jc_art_]

37:49 when i played security breach for the first time, it was a snore until the endo section. The endo section scared me so much, i ended up discovering a bug that i could use to simply slowly delete every single endo one by one. The endos in the version i played werent able to follow you out of their little hallway section, since there was a save point there, and you could easily get softlocked if they could follow you back out, so what i did was lure one of the endos to the entrance door next to the save, then repeatedly open and shut the door on them until they got deleted. I did exactly what william did in the fnaf 3 minigames, luring them one by one to a room they couldnt access, and killing them there. Once i killed all 20-ish endos, i was able to walk through what wouldve otherwise been the scariest section of the game. In my run i also ended up skipping things by accident (i was playing blind), so i never even got to 6AM, it judt skipped from like 5 to 6:15 at some point. I think what happened was i accidentally used Freddy's All Access security level to get into a section i wasnt supposed to yet (i think it was the arcade), and in doing so skipped forward in time. To this day i still havent seen the "Leave or Stay" 6AM prompt by the front door, despite having beaten the game twice. I also never got to play fazerblast, since i never learned how to get inside and never got any prompts telling me to go there, so i just got the camera and went through the game with that. In my version there was another bug i figured out by accident, where if you use the camera, pause the game for like 10 to 15 seconds, and unpause, your camera would be fully recharged again, and since it stunned everything on screen, i was basically immortal. Because of the timeskip i also didnt end up breaking one of the 3 main animatronics, resulting in confusion during the afton fight, but i cant remember which animatronic i spared since it was like 10000 years ago or something. 9/10 game, the one point is removed because of mazercize

[@at_witts_end3470]

FNaF fans when Scott literally has shown time and time again he has trouble communicating with other people (as seen by cut ITP mini games about Vanny being Williams daughter.): "steel wool ruined fuhnaff" It was Scott's fault SB happened the way it did. Not steel wool. Scott didn't tell them shit. Also, mimic sweep. He factually has more characterization, more voice lines, and more of a backstory than William Afton at this point.

[@at_witts_end3470]

... Plushtrap is already a nightmare with sharp teeth? Do you even FNaF?

[@dylanhudec979]

@@at_witts_end3470 the mimic sucks

[@at_witts_end3470]

​What was William Aftons biggest feat? I have to ask. I love Afton but like...did he have any feats? He was just a dude with a knife mostly. Not to sound like a power scaler or anything, but that's the best way I can say this. The way the mimic was introduced was lame and annoying, yes. The Mimic himself is such a cool character though, it makes up for it in spades.@@dylanhudec979

[@dylanhudec979]

@ no it doesn’t William had an entire arc an actual good arc

[@at_witts_end3470]

@dylanhudec979 what was Williams arc?

[@Sunnydionysus]

Dude, talking about how tracing fan art for a game teaser is bad and then showing fan art with no credit that you couldn't find the artist for is so hypocritical. If you don't know the artist or they deleted their account, don't show it, show any other example WITH credit. Especially in the section speaking about fairness towards artists, it's such a weird decision. EDIT: it's at 3:31 sorry for not explaining for anyone confused!

[@kubaxterg9994]

first can you show me when? Cuz maybe i missed it but he was showing or telling who make those arts ALSO its just one guy vs whole studio yeah its a bit hypocritical if thats true but what they did is much worse seeing how many times it happend in just one game ALSO dont you think it was a mistake if he missed it once? Cuz he always credited in the video, maybe i missed one when he didnt idk

[@Sunnydionysus]

@@kubaxterg9994 it's at 3:31, and yes it's very similar because he's probably making money off of the video just like steel wool was presenting the teaser. It's not to the same level, but when he put "i don't know the artist >.

[@kubaxterg9994]

@@Sunnydionysus i dont even know the guy, its first time watching the vid and i say its very good but yeah your right that one was pretty freaking weird like wtf was even that

[@Sunnydionysus]

@@kubaxterg9994 Ye sorry I was trying to find middle ground but I came off as harsh. I agree tho

[@kubaxterg9994]

@@Sunnydionysus you all fine

[@MrPresttoSauce]

"Japanese Soldier Who Kept Fighting 29 Years After World War II"

[@OrpheusMC]

Had to comment to say fantastic video and thanks for making it. Steel Wool and Scott are not getting anywhere near the level of critical feedback I feel they’ve earned. Gonna have to hard disagree that the Mimic is an “intriguing antagonist” lol.

[@turkeyman9914]

How can you know he’s not intriguing when he’s only appeared once in the games?

[@OrpheusMC]

@ the same way Danerade thought Mimic was intriguing I imagine, only that I came to a different conclusion.

[@Adventist1997]

​@@OrpheusMC So you looked at it and didn't have any questions on what it is it why it was there? 😑

[@YeEast-ud3gg]

i hate to be that person but faz goo doesnt copy dna, it straight up just steals your body

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

It does copy your DNA, it literally stated that in the book

[@dylanhudec979]

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad that’s basically just an alternate

[@YeEast-ud3gg]

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad then why did the guy slowly lose his organs? that doesnt sound like dna copying

[@YeEast-ud3gg]

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad no it doesnt, it took the guys organs. that isnt dna copying.

[@fantastic0990]

It's all scotts fault for not telling them the lore for security breach

[@NoHandle44]

Security Breach was supposed to be the biggest milestone ever that also started the new era of the franchise, and they fumbled it. I'm just glad that they redeemed themselves with Help Wanted 2 and Into the Pit.

[@wolfietronic356]

Steel wool didn't make into the pit

[@NoHandle44]

​@wolfietronic356Well, I speak mostly for the franchise. I'm sure Steelwool didn't make the story for security breach either?

[@NoHandle44]

45:04 I honestly couldn't believe that they had a magnitude of arcade machines in this game. And NONE of them were playable. Like, what?! Arcade games have been a staple of the franchise since the second game. It's the top thing people look for in every sequel. So how could they have so many arcade machines, but NO arcade games to play?

[@wolfietronic356]

@@NoHandle44 Monty golf arcade All 3 princess quest arcade cabinets Bb world

[@Edo_Luna_]

I love the story of Help Wanted because it pretty much sets up a reboot, a new killer with a connection to Afton that they could ignore, but then they show actual Afton in the next game. What a waste.

[@at_witts_end3470]

...that's not Afton. That's the AI used to digitally recreate him in HW. Ya know, the whole point of that game?

[@friendhuman]

​@at_witts_end3470 When a story is so convoluted that "not one person can know the entire story" (as said in an interview with Steel Wool) you can't say any one thing was the whole point of the game as it can easily be retconned in the next one.

[@at_witts_end3470]

@@friendhuman except at multiple points, Handunit talks about this special software they use for the game. The same software tape girl talks about. It's constantly brought up. If the software is just the method for William to come back, why make it so integral to the story? Unless the software is the anomaly. "Everything is working as intended."

[@HarlandSanders-f7m]

You did not cook with this

[@JustaRandomRat42]

He escaped from the basement

[@attichen4749]

Unfortunately, no. There are no major arteries in the skin. If you skin someone alive they won't die of blood loss but hypothermia (they'd freeze to death). Removing your face is not a death sentence and there are (horrifically) dozens of survivors around the world you can find pictures of right now without faces before replacement.

[@someone.2067]

I think Scott's decision to not tell SteelWool what Security Breach's story is supposed to be was really stupid. I mean, after all that they should've said that this game isn't canon, and fix everything in next games, but no. We still have the game with large amount of lore stuff, but we don't know what SteelWool got right and what wrong

[@at_witts_end3470]

It's still canon. SB, while being inaccurate to the vision, is still canon. The Tales exist to make sure of that. Ruin specifically was made to set things right. Like the Bonnie stuff is a Steel Wool original. He's only really mentioned in VIP, which leads into him being sidelined to Bonnie Bowl by the Storyteller. So we can assume all of Bonnie's lore is in the games.

[@pinguigreen]

23:20 unpopular thought: i actually liked the "william has come back as an ai" idea, actually im making a game where that idea is actually emplied and aftonbuilt (a fangame that was going to be in the fanverse initative at one point or something like that) also had that idea, actually it was a core mechanic. for me it was ruined (HAHA get it?? ruined? fnaf sb ruin? ok i will shut up ) when the mimic was introduced, i mean now apparently fazbear entertament was made before the 80's and the mimic is so old in fact that he was before fredbear and springbonnie and apparently fazbear and friends were even before because chica blue bonnie foxy and brown freddy are shown in the secrets of the mimic meaning they are even older, making fredbears not the original location EVEN THO ITS CANON THAT THEY ARE THE FIRST CHARACTERS SO THANKS FOR THE RETCON AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (sorry fnaf bs its a pain for me to even think -_-)

[@at_witts_end3470]

Im sorry, did you say you think HW2 says PQ wasnt canon, when you have to play Princess Quest 4. And the whole thing with PQ is you have to play them in order? ...did you even try,.man?

[@algotkristoffersson15]

But if princes quest 3 happened then glitchtrap should ALREADY be dead. Why do we need to kill him AGAIN?

[@at_witts_end3470]

@algotkristoffersson15 it freed Vanessa, but a strand of the code survived as the plushie. Helpi wants you to give Cassie the mask to free the mimic. Mystic Hippo/Vanessa wants you to gather the Mimics memories of Afton and erase them, so it can let Afton go and she can delete him.

[@porcelainchips6061]

"Does Vanessa Have a twin?!" - Enter the VR Sisters from Fury's Rage

[@Buster_Boxxer2003]

Glad you woke up from hibernation to upload.

[@SammyRobinson62232]

57:41 That’s like giving animationors on a tv show only the outline of an ep and no storyboard. Tell them to create the ep And get suprised when the product is completely different than what you’re expecting.

[@mock1999]

havent watched the vid but if its bad faith, baseless steel wool bashing im gonna be really mad i wasted two hrs edit: whomp

[@Shanetronic]

The series has told its story, Please just let it rest. 💀 Thats all how i feel.

[@at_witts_end3470]

FNaF fans when they see ChatGPT (it's Sci-fi): 🤬🤬🤬

[@Tryppo-Music]

@@at_witts_end3470What are you talking about?

[@fabriciolamana4106]

Yes, Scott made the mistake of not telling the plot to Steel Wool, but why didn't the guys working on SB pressed Scott to tell them more You're telling me Scott was cryptic and the folks at Steel Wool went like "Ight, fair enough" We can't blame one or the other, we need to blame both, Scott for being unclear and Steel Wool for just accepting things as they were

[@traehignight]

Scott's entire thing is that he's cryptic, literally everyone just goes with it because it hasn't failed until Security Breach where the poor communication just didn't work. Steel Wool not only understood that he was worried about leaks if he told everything, but also weren't communicating that much since Scott "retired" at the time. It takes a lot of reaching to blame Steel Wool whatsoever.

[@higueraft571]

>but why didn't the guys working on SB pressed Scott to tell them more Why doesnt the community press Scott to tell them more? :V

[@algotkristoffersson15]

People don’t often question their superiors. Regardless of what they are working on

[@algotkristoffersson15]

@@higueraft571because we are the community and not the DECELOPERS OF THE GAME. For the developers knowing the story is LITERALLY NECESSARY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB

[@higueraft571]

@@algotkristoffersson15 >For the developers knowing the story is LITERALLY NECESSARY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB Which is why it became such a fucking mess :V They probably got as much of the story as *we* do, except probably less *outright* guesswork... Even the Writers for the books dont get *THAT* much info on what they're writing, more of a general guideline to write inside of. Scott's made some... questionable decisions, for sure. >People don’t often question their superiors. Regardless of what they are working on Also 100% this.

[@n_art_cissist]

As an artist, yes tracing is bad (this has nuance and tracing and using bases can be good for beginner artists, they must provide credit though, so there is some grey area) for the reasons you mentioned but also because it specifically funnels both credit and income away from the people who made those designs themselves because people will assume the thief made it, which is why credit is so important. I’m sure those fan creators would’ve been glad to strike up a deal with steel wool and be paid and credited for their renders, as fnaf has employed and commissioned various fan artists before to create official works. It is hugely frowned upon in the art community and people even get in massive fights and even legal battles over art theft as art is considered the creator’s intellectual property. They should never have had fan models in the game to begin with, let alone advertise with them and I’m surprised the fan render makers haven’t sued. Steel wools actions scream lazy game makers. Also side night, „obese” is considered derogatory towards fat people, which I happen to be myself. Maybe just call them big, or fat (fat is a neutral description despite thin peoples assumptions) or huge, or any other term

[@at_witts_end3470]

The art was removed immediately and replaced in the final game and the guy they "stole" it from is currently making POPGOES Evergreen in collaboration with Scott. Soooo... Also, the other renders were placeholders using the old memey splinks models. Like how typical games do to test behavior. It ain't that deep bro.