Game Theory: FNAF, The SECRET Afton Killer!

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FNAF has been pretty obvious about William Afton being an absolutely terrible guy, just a real bad man. But is there someone else in the Afton family whose hiding a dark secret as well? Is there a SECRET Afton killer?
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[@Puggerzzzzz]

I feel like Matpat is just looking down on us laughing maniacally at us as we desperate try to solve the lore

[@Wolf_Midna8D]

LOL FR 😂

[@patrickoconnor6893]

@@Puggerzzzzz I bet he retired so he could be the one with the answers

[@herrflammen6487]

after all, he has been enlightened by the almighty scott

[@NoahTownsend-k6g]

Did Scott actually tell him all the secrets

[@SheenaGirly]

@@patrickoconnor6893 LOL

[@BR-jw7pm]

There are 3 certainties in life 1-death 2-taxes 3-FNAF theories

[@Blazecap]

Ye crashing out

[@DabiraOmoniyi]

Bros letting his intrusive thought win

[@DaRealICantThinkOfAUsername]

There’s 2 bots in chat 💀

[@OHwowIexist.]

I got a turbotax ad right as I read this list.

[@mewmewmewmewmewmewmewbirb]

@ESOTERICCHATTSTOP I AM REPORTING ALL YOUR COMMENTS YOU GÂCHA 7 YEAR OLD

[@jeepmega629]

Half of FNAF Theories are basically “This detail that was there since the beginning and that no one noticed changes EVERYTHING!”

[@TootsBosmans]

😂😂😂 Yes 😂😂😂

[@Silverizael]

It often really stretches the claim of "detail that was there since the beginning" and not "detail we shoe-horned in to be some shocking twist that definitely wasn't something we had to come up with on the fly". FNAF really is a mess with little thought put behind it and poor attempts to try and tie things together years after the fact.

[@EduardoDOrta]

Indeed inconsistent

[@LimeyTherapist]

Waiting for when the fire escape ending in SB, tape girl in HW clearly also being brainwashed separately from Vanessa and why Vanessa even was playing HW despite not liking horror or games are noticed

[@ghidorah15]

Even though it never actually does.

[@PringleGremlin76]

out of topic but i always love seeing the three channels fighting over a topic or just straight up stealing each others topics, you really do catch glimpses of how they bicker

[@dragonscalen9382]

Their “beef” is my favorite part of these three hosting. And the few times Amy gets involved is even better

[@ethanwilde4716]

Fnaf theory podcast potential. Imagine there was a podcast of the biggest Fnaf theorist who come on the air and give their theorys out for the others to discuss, they don't interrupt until the person is finished with their theory and constructive arguments are given.

[@Goleon]

It gives such sibling vibes which fits with the whole Theorist Family thing that MatPat talked about.

[@PringleGremlin76]

@ its either giving me siblings fighting over the play station or anything in general, the children been causing mayhem after father matpat left

[@PringleGremlin76]

@ honestly yes. especially Lee and Tom

[@RandomNessRealm99]

I like to imagine Scott said to matpat something along the lines of “If you quit and don’t tell a soul I’ll tell you the most coherent FNAF Lore.” And now they are laughing at us, scrambling to find the lore.

[@mrshadowmaster6079]

The fans: I told you to stay away from fnaf Game Theory: I lied

[@milaklein7578]

JaindenAnimations knows the lore now tho-

[@poodarts]

​@milaklein7578HOL UP

[@SniperDog5]

@milaklein7578 why would she?

[@tofuaddict5946]

Matpat told her, she mentioned it in her mrbeast video

[@glitchtron4453]

I love simple thumbnails like this that just look like they came straight out of early 2015 Game Theory. Brings me back.

[@mahrtist1179]

YES

[@VelvetThunder-s4x]

Not sure which one you mean. Right now its just purple guy, which in my opinion is definitely the better one, but before it was glamrock freddie dismembered on the ground with a person in the background holding a knife, which honestly was too much imo

[@glitchtron4453]

@VelvetThunder-s4x Yeah, I meant the Purple Guy one. I was confused seeing that Freddy thumbnail in the notifications but I'm glad they changed it.

[@frankvilla4298]

yeah thats weird, iv seen the purple guy thumbnail, which i like better, but when i rewatched the video ti was freddy, sooo im not sure, but the simpler thumbnail is mor catching, less is more sometimes 😃

[@Taypokemon]

They changed it.

[@EldritchRacoon]

If Baby was made and programmed as an accomplice, it could explain Baby’s drive to serve her father even after possession. Elizabeth loves her father sure, but it’s the mix of the soul agony and the systems programming colliding to make her fully subservient. Similar to how you can lure Springtrap away with voice lures, a synchronized response from Aftons standby tendencies and the automatic responses of the Animatronic suit

[@devenjwohlwend3008]

it would also make that one line from baby in fnaf pizzarea sim true ending

[@TheRoyalberry]

Jesus saves✝️.

[@BB-lv2bm]

@@TheRoyalberry Yes the purple jesus in a yellow rabbit costume, he saves all.

[@HelenChavez-u4m]

Love Jesus 🙏❤️

[@antikovt]

Came to the comments to write exactly this, happy to see that someone already did and got 1k+ likes lol

[@chinchilla_fandoms9500]

I think an interesting idea for who the "original Baby" could've been is possibly Afton's wife. We've never Once seen her in a game or ever heard a single thing about her, so her being the first accomplice to Afton's killings would be an interesting way to properly introduce her into the story. Plus then you could have a sort of implied mother-daughter plot with Mrs A being the first Baby, and then the only Afton daughter ending up as the final Baby

[@Sun_burn21]

Darn I can see that good 1

[@TheSkinStealer3008]

Hold up I think ur cooking with that one

[@GavinLou-t7f]

Aaaaaaaaa too looooooooooooooong

[@KC-tx3ko]

The disappearing 6th kid is probably Oswald being lured and killed in some timelines but not others via alternative endings.

[@wormmerchant7560]

I like that

[@wormmerchant7560]

definitely explains the inconsistency

[@christina3537]

i always thought that way but none of the theorists on youtube ever really talked about why there could be a 6th kid. i thought it was kind of like a foreshadowing of "the 6th kid is you if youre not careful." Yet the parts where oswald dies is probably not cannon, so i think thats why everyone either overlooks that possibility or doesnt think of it at all.

[@muhammadmufti3569]

ok but like Oswald wasn't even born before 1985 so no one would even know who he is before the incidents so no one would even report him as a 6th missing child

[@fizzy69o.0]

That makes so much sense lol

[@jamesthewolf5229]

14:30 I love, how all of the new hosts have something of a sibling rivalry, It's very charming.

[@poodarts]

Tom: "DAD! Lee stole my theory again!" Lee: "It's not MY fault! The FNAF movie came out a year ago, I can still theorize about it." DadPat: "Where's your brother?" Santi: dead from the bunny

[@_Insomniac-man_]

@poodarts Amy: Daddddd, I need like, $8,000 to make Fnaf cosplays for work. The fans need these, trust

[@1shi3]

And then there’s just ash

[@TheoristsForLife]

@@1shi3 Ash is just observing

[@SonicAsnee]

8:32 I died laughing at Santi being bumped off by the yellow bunny 🤣🤣

[@aidanshepherd4775]

I think that Miss Afton (who we haven't seen much), was the one wearing the C.B costume during fallfest. Because, 1. It would explain where and who she is. 2, Elizabeth would be a little too young to be on a stage in a costume preforming. and 3, (the more morbid idea) a child would probably trust a motherly figure just like if not more so trusting a fellow child.

[@jazzlady9]

Yessss😮

[@EighmyLupin]

I wonder if Mrs Aftons name is Elendor....

[@KevnConnrr]

​@@EighmyLupinits clara afton 😮

[@higueraft571]

@@KevnConnrr Not confirmed, if anything Clara is Michael :V

[@lexichickie233]

My thought as well. When an accomplice is the wife, there's a pretty die hard loyalty as well (usually bc of abuse)

[@Mr.Unknown-e5c]

The cast beef is getting even more juicy

[@backslay]

"afton always needed an accomplice" dayshift at freddy's: you're 9 years late bro

[@FrontOfThePeloton]

Why hello there Old Sport🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@figurativelysomebody]

“Its the JOY OF CREATION” ahh comment

[@ILikeMenderMen]

“YIFF DA FAX” ahh moment 🔥🔥

[@cdeeznuts1999]

GRAND CANYON! GRAND CANYON!

[@Riz_not_Rizz]

Dayshift at Freddy's is mid. Change my mind

[@thedorkknight9684]

never gonna get tired of the hosts beefing with each other XD, love how Lee just pulled a LIGHTSABER on Santi XD

[@blessingbear92account35]

idk why but it gives vibes like their building up to something

[@o5r8it]

Santi's villan saga

[@thedorkknight9684]

@o5r8it I need it XD, Santi gets fed up with being the bullied host XD

[@christhun6053]

It feels like kids squabbling over petty stuff now that the parents are gone.

[@theoneandonlyyeonderella]

Its like theyre all siblings lol

[@22mx82]

0:59 I'm pretty sure Scott watches GT, gets inspired, and changes the lore.

[@DaRealICantThinkOfAUsername]

I heard that Game Theory actually gets all the lore wrong and William is actually the good guy.

[@Void-n0ll]

Real

[@urlocaldumass]

@@DaRealICantThinkOfAUsernamethat’s an interesting theory… almost like…. A game theory perhaps…

[@xpandazilla]

I've thought about this for years

[@professionaldadkisser]

I think Scott and Steelwool watch a lot of the big Fnaf channels. Used to be GT when they were the only ringers but now there's so many creators, I'm sure there's things from all over KZbin(or the internet) that inspire them in different ways that drives them to change or add things, whether or not that's on purpose or not

[@caseystafford6750]

7:24 normally i skip over the ad inserts. But i literally laughed out loud at "glitchtrap" attacking santi and hearing him scream in the background 😂

[@MeMe-rh4jy]

He missed typed but it actually at 8:24

[@Junoisverysleepy]

The Santi v. Tom beef is truly something that appeared out of nowhere and is very funny to me

[@DaRealICantThinkOfAUsername]

Isn’t it kinda like Henry and William? *IS SANTI GONNA PLAY HENRY IN THE MOVIE?! IS TOM GONNA BE MICHEAL AFTON?!*

[@anonymous-db6gp]

It's funny how the hosts are all beefing over the same IP while Amy is just chilling on style theory

[@Lumnut]

Dont let the bots comment here

[@antoniacosta6221]

@anonymous-db6gpok I only watch film and game so I’m missing context. What does Santi and FoodTheory have to do with FNAF?

[@Aliceglow15]

@@antoniacosta6221 theirs a cookbook

[@Finvaara]

Santi is a real bro for voice-acting his animatronic death scene with enthusiasm.

[@alexandercarter9598]

Elizabeth being groomed by her father as a serial killer her later behavior, killing and wanting to make her father proud "Why won't you let me see her? Didn't you make her for me?" This... certainly starts to paint an interesting picture. I'd like to see if it goes this direction!

[@christina3537]

man that is terrifying just reading that as a real possibility. its absolutely wild but i can totally see that

[@darthpateta]

the criminal definition of groom or the word definition of groom?

[@alexandercarter9598]

@@darthpateta yes... wait, unless you think I'm suggesting the truly unsavory things. technically, all these forms of groom mean the same thing (ie "To groom them to replace you"), it's just it has darker implications depending on the context..

[@TyLiqueTheGreat]

@@darthpatetaword definition.

[@A_Glad]

@@alexandercarter9598okay I read that wrong then 😅

[@AmethystsMinecraft]

I’m loving the sibling dynamics between the hosts. The “you weren’t using it!” was hilarious.

[@BirdThatCanFly]

“But that’s just a theory, A GAME THEORY!” Is still so nostalgic.

[@asmallhick]

Did you skip forward? It's 22 minutes long and was only posted 9 minutes ago. Also.. wild bot comments here lol

[@mewmewmewmewmewmewmewbirb]

@ESOTERICCHATTSHUT IT YOU BOT THIS IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY CHANNEL

[@mewmewmewmewmewmewmewbirb]

@ESOTERICCHATTYOUR ONLY VID IS A GÂCHA WHILE YOUR ICON IS RBLX, HOW ARE YOU SAYING THIS WHILE PROBABLY BEING 7? YOU SAID YOUD BE INBREEDING WITH YPUR SIS AND BE LIKE 9/11 BC YOUR ONE GÂCHA VID ID *BETTER*

[@gabbieblue]

@@mewmewmewmewmewmewmewbirb dont interact just report, i promise the bot doesnt read your response

[@mewmewmewmewmewmewmewbirb]

@@BirdThatCanFly I did

[@bellballejo4253]

Elizabeth helping William before she died actually makes sense, 'cause it was always weird to me that she was so willing to help him after one of his robots killed her.

[@rubymatthews2440]

There is a range to that theory and that’s Elizabeth’s age she is most likely only 2 to 3 at most years older than Dave or maybe they were twins meaning it would make more sense for it to be Mrs Afton or a Very young Michael

[@josephreinerth9152]

And that she used her own brother's body as an escape goat.

[@LukiKruki]

CIRCUS BABY not Elizabeth Afton .

[@higueraft571]

@@rubymatthews2440 >she is most likely only 2 to 3 at most years older than Dave That isnt exactly the case. Pretty sure she's about the same age if not *younger* than CC. And her death would have been several years later

[@Ali-Malalla]

They actually mean Elizabeth herself, as in William's daughter who was human before her scooping.

[@lordyathnon]

The "lore" of fnaf is such a convoluted, self-contradictory mess that I've long ago lost any investment in seeing it "solved". At this point I just watch these because i like Game Theory. Keep up the good work Tom

[@WestonMiller-t2o]

It was mainly streamlined and simple until Steel Wool and Scott had that communication error during SB that kinda ruined the entire story. They're building it back up, and I genuinely love the direction the series is taking now, bejng the aftermath and butterfly effects of Afton's actions and the attempts to continue his twisted legacy.

[@nicholasfitzgerald5482]

My feelings exactly. At this point, it is impossible to "solve" the story because of how many ways things can be interpreted or contradictions. All we can truly do is just wait for future games to give us answers.

[@Extreme_D323]

​​@@WestonMiller-t2oTHANK YOU,while i like the aftermath of the bite and how the aftons actions infects others around them,the mimic being written to fit in the past lore,new info possibly contradicting old stuff and afton never being glitchtrap sucks and is bs and agian vanny never having her potential fully realized sucks

[@scarletthenderson4864]

I totally agree tbh for me fnaf should have ended after UCN - everything after that is just fun to watch because I like commentary/narrative videos

[@wrenithilduincats]

The only way we can know is if Scott releases the official explanation 😂

[@Victoria-t5u4v]

I love how Tom and Santi have a love hate relationship witch makes the adds more interesting, I always laugh whenever they’re on screen together

[@liongus]

What if it's Mrs. Afton? The one character we know absolutely nothing about? And in later stories the losses of their children would probably be seen by her as divine retribution, which is why she closed off

[@Alex_T69]

🍳

[@parkerraphelt9657]

see, that's where I thought he was going too. First off, I think that Elizabeth would be too young to be a successful accomplice during Fall Fest. Second off, Michael was the original accomplice (in the sense of how the game introduced these characters to us), so to have two of his children be accomplices implies more than just "they're MY blood". I think it more implies, "they're HER blood", her being Mrs. Afton, the actual original accomplice. Henry was more mutually assured destruction than anything else. Additionally, we had theorized about her being the sort of main antagonist way back when Security Breach was first released, with the video tapes & the family room, so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.

[@pepelagarto8110]

And she would look like Elizabeth since they are mother/daughter

[@Aliceglow15]

That was my first thing I thought of

[@ImmortalRevan]

Hmmm so it's kind of like a Walter and Skyler White situation where he's manipulating her into helping him...

[@CrseTheGod]

Nice to see you guys are still doing great after Mat Pat's retirement. He would be proud to see what you've done with the channel, great job.

[@soonahero]

They’re doing bad

[@Muiz-yv9lc]

It doesn't feel the same anymore

[@Muiz-yv9lc]

But good job for their effort

[@Joecraft02]

You know he's not gone right? He still works at Theorist, he's just taking more of a back seat lol

[@SlaqsProductions]

MatPat still works with them on episodes sometimes. That's how he's in them every now and then. He just isn't the frontman

[@breitling9543]

i hope the original “baby” in fall fest is mrs afton. it would add more into the lore, being the reason for the name, why he made the baby animatronic “for” elizabeth (to be her replacement mother) and it would also show why afton holds baby so dear to him. it’s his wife and his daughter.

[@LukiKruki]

Ballora is Mrs Afton already

[@seantay3279]

"It's His Wife And His Daughter" Uhhhhhhhh.... Edit: I Meant It Could've Been Phrased Better Like "It Represents Both His Wife and His Daughter."

[@revolv8379]

@@LukiKruki just a theory with not too much evidence behind it

[@higueraft571]

If i had to guess, including my own theory: The Plushbabies were PROBABLY sold as a way to market Circus Baby's Pizza World before it's opening somewhere in 1986~. The MCI was a way to confirm that his plan would work as he theorized, with the Funtimes intended to be the "Full Scale Production". Then, of course, Elizabeth died, throwing that out the window :V

[@breitling9543]

@@seantay3279 i meant based off the videos theory he said that in fall fest baby could’ve been a person in a costume as a clown. i’m proposing that’s how mrs afton and william met (mrs afton was the actress) and he made the baby animatronic based off of that. don’t make things weird dude.

[@Almaydi55]

19:02 l love how afton is going crazy in the back

[@Gamesalotl]

Wow, another secret about Fnaf that was there since the beginning but we didn’t realize it? Why am I not surprised

[@KanderUdon]

I mean not really from the beginning just from fnaf vr

[@mewmewmewmewmewmewmewbirb]

⁠@ESOTERICCHATTSTOP IT YOU GÂCHA 7 year old

[@NoahSimons-st4ez]

“Hit me like a yellow rabbit in 1985” is my new favorite quote-Tanks Tom😂

[@goob12309]

What he said, _Tanks_ Tom!

[@gameyfirebro9645]

Tom the Tank theorist

[@GhostCryProductions]

The next tank theory: the Panzer of the Lake.

[@1kingbuzz1]

Was watching a poppy playtime theory but as soon as a NOTIFICATION came for this. You know I had to hop on it like my boy Oswald leapt into the ball pit

[@jaketaller8567]

Speaking of Poppy, I wonder when we’re gonna get a theory on Chapter 4.

[@AngryDemonCat]

14:37: Get him Lee!! Don't let him steal Film Theorist brand 😂😂

[@Taxi-cab-to-Slowtown]

8:40 why are you so mean to Santi what did he do??? and for that point what did Jason do to Matt?? I need answers!

[@MadainnMhath72006]

WE NEED THE LOOOOORE

[@Notyuki1]

LOReeEe

[@adityaaditi8178]

Santi was following him and he needed to steal the movie from Jason 😂😂

[@Johnathan-7211]

There's also the Fruity Maze minigame from FNaF 6. There's 2 text colors, green & blue, who are both trying to lure Suzie. This always confused me, but it might be the colors of "Sping Bonnie" and "Baby"

[@higueraft571]

>green & blue ??? It's Blue and Gold. And i'm pretty sure the blue was one of Scott's Usual being applied to Purple. Which was generally meant to reinforce Afton and Yellow Guy were generally one and the same.

[@GamingWarlord64]

15:24 that explains why Baby in pizzaria sim was so happy and joyful to help Afton I always thought that was a bit odd.

[@duckdog314]

I thought the same thing, but now it makes a little more sense

[@GamingWarlord64]

@duckdog314 I knew she liked him that's why she was kicked out of ennard. But this explains why she had that speech and was so gun hoo about the whole thing

[@duckdog314]

@@GamingWarlord64 yeah exactly

[@MisterMoodyHere]

“I will make you proud”

[@higueraft571]

@@GamingWarlord64 >always thought that was a bit odd. I mean, she *WAS* the Golden Child of the family. She'd be *desperate* to seek any form of Validation from her father... Like what we see in the Novels, with her dressing up *as* Baby to get him to pay attention to her more.

[@thedeppressedone9236]

16:30 Could that also be why Gregory looks so much like the crying child? The mimic1 program tries to copy everything about Afton, so it goes after a kid that looks like Aftons?

[@4gal]

oh boy you haven't watched that one matpat video LOOLLLL and the memes about it...

[@FridayVlogsOfficial_]

@@4galGregory the robot theory? Or something I’m missing?

[@v1ct0rygames32]

It's unlikely VIP is Mimic. VIP has Bonnie's greenroom and Monty's Maze. The Storyteller (when Mimic1 is uploaded) has Monty's greenroom and Monty's Gator Golf (though the story does imply Bonnie is still alive, just solely in Bonnie Bowl, like what we see in RUIN)

[@cassettefuturism]

Did you forget about parallels? Maybe VIP is the canon version of the Storyteller so he just has Bonnie's greenrom and Monty's maze instead of Monty's greenrom and Monty's Golf

[@v1ct0rygames32]

​@cassettefuturism don't believe parallels, plus the Tales books themselves show different iterations of the same event that exist in the same timeline. For example, The Storyteller has the upload of Mimic1 while GGY shows the upload of Glitchtrap. Both events are canon to the same timeline and happen in the same pizzaplex, just at different times

[@GendoRokabundi]

Thing with programs, they don’t ‘move’, the replicate. When you upload a file, you don’t need to delete the original. So it Mimic1 was, for example, uploaded into Help Wanted and became Glitchtrap, another copy, or the same original copy, can later be uploaded into the pizzaplex as the storyteller. The same as how once uploaded into Vanessa, Vanny is a separate program than Glitchtrap even if they have the same goals (initially). Like a virus, it spreads and evolves. But unless networked all together, individual pieces act independently. There can be many Mimics, not just the second gen endoskeletons we learn about in the epilogues, but any copies of the original program have the same core programming unless specifically removed or deleted. The VIP story seems like it’s not just a method to lure and capture children, but to both test them and ‘recruit’ them. It’s possible that it was how Gregory was infected.

[@kenwilson8964]

also the storyteller mentions a mr. cupcake. so theres a glamrock cupcake we havent seen. maybe the cupcake killed somebody? idk

[@v1ct0rygames32]

​@@kenwilson8964 there's actually a cupcake in Glam Chica's greenroom

[@AkivaElbereth]

I believe that Afton's first accomplice was his wife. In '78, Afton's daughter would have been no more than 3 years old; not old enough to really do anything.

[@DatFroakieLord656]

yeah, I agree.

[@Figgythekitty]

Well she like me could've had consciousness at 3 if that's what you mean

[@crazykis5897]

That's the first thought that came to mind when I was watching this vid. But also that maybe the fall fest fire resulted in her death and that's why she's no where to be found in all the future games....maybe that also means shes buried under the dirt mound in midnight motorist since the location could have been a clearing used for fall fest 👀 but that's just me reaching.

[@themoocow7718]

Probably. Only other adult around, besides Henry.

[@Deflamed_Sphere]

@@crazykis5897 hold up

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

15:33 ...Okay now I'm more interested in the lore behind you writing "Manifest destiny, womp womp" on the whiteboard. What does that have to do with anything?

[@RilynnMoshenek]

Fr

[@HeyaHazel]

I’m just waiting for Henry to finally show up in the games and just lore drop all the secrets to us at this point

[@zenvariety9383]

Watch his name be Edwin Henry Murray. It's bound to happen.

[@NatePion]

Henry was in pizzeria simulator

[@HeyaHazel]

@@NatePion True but I meant more so actually seeing him now that we get human characters like Vanessa in the games. Would be cool if he shows up all Old Man Consequences like at a lake

[@Cardboard173]

5:56 gUyS iTs PoPpY

[@Brawly_OG]

No cuz the fact i was thinking the same thing

[@loganthecoolcatdude4183]

nah i was gonna comment exactly the same

[@AquaWill-x2m]

Hi poppy

[@zlightning037]

8:26 RIP Santi, you will be missed🫡

[@Evo_The_Man]

No he won't 😂😂

[@boneomg5721]

Lol😂

[@littleaudity]

the interactions between different hosts in each other's work brings me so much joy honestly

[@SuperKai1.0]

MatPat is probably sitting on a beach somewhere just watching us theorists trying to figure out the FNAF lore, even with him retired.

[@Enven37]

At this point we just gotta accept that Scott was just throwing some random stuff at us and we're just making this complicating timeline while he enjoys the show

[@sarahcatherine5497]

Agreed. I feel like a lot of stuff are mostly red herrings.

[@hollieginoza7935]

I think scott is doing the "Wouldn't this be cool?" Style of writing at this point.

[@urpalfion]

It’d be nice if Mrs. Afton was the accomplice since she has been basically absent from the story thus far plus it’d make sense why the mimic wanted someone that looks like Elizabeth- she could’ve looked like her mom! But that would cause issues for the robot family sitting at the table in Security Breach, since if Mrs. Afton wore the OG Baby costume, why is she represented by Ballora? Food for thought I guess! 😊

[@LukiKruki]

It wouldn't be problematic. In the same game Security Breach you see Vannesa who looks like Mrs. Afton but also manipulated into thinking she's Elizabeth Afton. So in next game you would have it in reverse, Mrs. Afton looking like Circus Baby but behaving like Mrs. Afton.

[@catteen_2]

Idk, I always feel like everyone mentioning "Mrs. Afton" on any occasion they possibly can feels forced when she's never (to my knowledge) been any sort of a important character/a character AT ALL

[@higueraft571]

@@catteen_2 Pretty much, it's like WD Gaster from Undertale where we know nothing, thus he's shoved EVERYWHERE. Except unlike Gaster, Mrs Afton isnt even implied to have ANY plot relevance, and even Scott himself said she didnt have any :V

[@Flamingman54]

This call also help with why they couldnt fully pin it on afton becuase maybe there was evidence (from the second killer) that made it almost disprove it was afton

[@heavypillow4440]

I love the recurring bit where all the different hosts have little rivalries. it's so funny.

[@katy_banks]

the fact that the new interactive into the pit book means plush babies aka blue eyed og Baby must've been around pre 1985 MCI and so he must've created the funtimes to scoop those kids before he starts physically doing so himself, is actually such a massive milestone to reach when creating a timeline (if ITP interactive novel *is* canon) and I think it needs to be celebrated more

[@LukiKruki]

It doesn't have to be canon. It's symbolic story you already saw in canon, William always working with his follower

[@astral_void6010]

With the timeline, I could've actually been elizabeth in a clown costume as Circus Baby, That would explain her obsession with The circus baby Animatronic we hear in the audio logs, as it was Once her role.

[@careygarland8538]

I love the sibling relationship between game, style, film, and food theory

[@Ash_Everheart]

I didn’t think William Afton being a killer was a secret

[@SaraChowdhury-g5d]

Yeah I’m pretty sure afton being a killer was never a secret I think we knew that since day one

[@DaRealICantThinkOfAUsername]

Wait, William killed kids?! Next you’re gonna tell me that the purple guy from FNaF 2 isn’t the same guy from FNaF SL!

[@Professor_Brie]

That wasn’t what the theory was about, William is not the only Afton, friend

[@Emanuelgamer1313_BACKUP]

​@ESOTERICCHATTÖrebro?

[@ilyaspilyas2249]

14:45 Lee will be taking that back when the fnaf movie 2 will be coming out

[@SPAMTONGSPAMTON-uw5wf]

7:57 YEP, [Saw] THAT COMING

[@GreenTheSnek]

Aren't you that [[BRILLIANT]] ad that shows up tho

[@MasterOfFrogs]

[[SPAMTON]] give him a [[break]]. He needs the [[Kromer]] from sponsor so he doesn’t be come a [[little sponge]] who hates it’s [[$4.99]] life

[@Glitchyboi-15]

HOLY [[Cungadero]] AREN T YOU THAT [NUMBER ONE RATED SALESMAN][Circa.1997] ?!?1!2

[@DuckLord12]

You little [[HYPERLINK BLOCKED]]. Get [Back to school] in the [GaRBaGe]!

[@MCU_Wizard]

14:01 But if baby’s not actually killing kids, how did Elizabeth die? Even William wouldn’t have done it himself. Because based on Elizabeth’s voicelines in sister location, Afton doesn’t want her near Baby.

[@Matthew-e4j]

20:10 could it be Willam’s wife

[@erfankhanifar7941]

Yeah I just came here to write that

[@Matthew-e4j]

@ great minds think alike

[@kimberlyobrien3300]

That would be cool but i feel like we would have seen her more. The accomplice being elizabeth makes more sense. At the moment.

[@Matthew-e4j]

@ and I get that it’s more of a we have not seen Willam’s wife yet ( do we even have her name genuine question) but I do not hate that it was baby I’m just throwing my ideas out there

[@animalshortfacts7]

Me too ​@@erfankhanifar7941

[@NoHandle44]

20:34 I'm so glad that somebody finally pointed it out!

[@jamichealgates]

8:52 Is he going to be okay or

[@kjfilms784]

no

[@Scragely]

Nah he’s ok

[@GlitchXY931]

No, but that's a good thing cuz the wabbit has someone other than Oswald to attack

[@CyQuelin]

He’s fine 😅

[@madhatter2825]

This isn't about him, this is about FNAF xD

[@theyoungestolympian]

18:46 I love the casual mention of mlm romance

[@july4378]

19:55 If the plottwist is that the performer is Mrs. Afton I'm gonna lose it /hj

[@TRWABS]

That would be good

[@Roset1557]

This is the earliest I’ve ever been

[@yesindeed5637]

Same lol

[@AydenGonzalez-l7t]

same man

[@Kitaki_dagurl]

SAME WHAT

[@mostafaal-shafey916]

smae too '

[@cheezburgergal]

Real

[@JaxBerlinger]

Also 8:33 there goes Food Theory…

[@The_watcher_0f_YT]

Indeed, but don't worry he can respawn

[@justthebestaround1200]

Omg the return of the “Pink Guy” theory. What a throwback

[@Mr.bruh1832]

7:51 I swear if this is a Nord VPN ad i will scream

[@Mr.bruh1832]

You have to be kidding me

[@GoldRangerOctoling]

Rip bro

[@Hes_A_Chill_Guy]

That's exactly what I saif

[@ParadisePummeler]

Scream.

[@mechatec2992]

You better start screaming

[@LeiaRiddle]

I hope Mrs. Afton is the original "baby" of Fall Fest. It would add to the lore by explaining the meaning behind the name, why he created the baby animatronic "for" Elizabeth (to serve as her replacement mother), and why Afton adores baby. It's his wife and daughter.

[@LiliannaNiflheim]

Uuu that'd be good!

[@GhostlyOddish]

Same

[@TheQuackingCommissar]

Bot 🫵

[@pinkiebutterfly9581]

​@@TheQuackingCommissar No dw I checked the pfp is actually a cat with 2 pillows

[@MOONWOLF7395]

I thought the same thing

[@SparkueYT]

Even scott himself doesn't even remember the lore at this point...

[@chrisk6637]

Fr

[@JonathonNarfhead]

That's why he wrote it down

[@KittyKatty999]

​@JonathonNarfheadOn a napkin, which someone else then used to clean up a drink spill XD

[@the-real-brady-boi2]

Scott and MatPat are just watching the FNAF community, grinning from ear to ear as they watch us descend further and further into insanity trying to solve a 10 year old game

[@BradStarnes]

You know, with Mat running all the channels, it didn't really allow for these little theory channel host crossover jokes. I do enjoy them, I have to admit. Adds a little more personality to the channels overall.

[@Velocir4ptor875]

1:21 bro ate one 💀

[@cuong6942]

Caseoh was there

[@Velocir4ptor875]

@ caseoh Afton, leaked character

[@HelenChavez-u4m]

CaseOh was There?!😂

[@FelineDeskFan13]

9:06 unironically the most enjoyable sponsor advertisement ever.

[@RilynnMoshenek]

Fr

[@TheMostUnfunnyPlayer]

MatPat looking down at us trying to solve the FNAF lore without him and his theories-

[@madisonhoward8333]

What if the scooper was never originally designed to scoop children? What if Baby was originally intended to be like the bigger bodies from Poppy? To serve food, clean tables, and deliver presents to the birthday kid? The cavity would be to hold multiple pizzas or drinks, or even a cake. That could let baby be designed when they first open/ earlier when they would want to cut labor costs more

[@EdinoRemerido]

It would look like glamlock freedy then.

[@captainnootnoot2525]

The baby accomplice theory is kind of backed up by what she says before Henry's speech in Pizzaria Simulator. She wanted to make him proud, maybe because this is always how she'd done it, either unknowingly as a child (if that theory is correct) but at least definitely as a machine, even if it was before she was possessed.

[@Sed_boi_]

"something hit me on the face like a yellow rabbit in 1985" realest statement.

[@Figgythekitty]

This explains the reoccurence of robot children,it would make since that Purple Guy(William Afton) realized that just Elizabeth helping him by luring kids to hidden areas wouldn't be enough that he needed multiple Elizabeths luring kids to backrooms to get murdered/kidnapped aswell when Elizabeth dies and it would also be useful when he sends the animatronics out to kidnapp kids for experimentation with remnant that he would need to make Elizabeth clones to lure children to the Funtimes which explains the Bidy Babs those were Williams prototypes for the Fake Elizabeths and maybe to make a replacement for the real one in his home life especially to keep Micheal in the dark because all Micheal knew about Elizabeth's death is that she disappeared Edit:also Plush Baby has Light Blue eyes which is the in between of blue and green so that's notable

[@W2nps]

13:16 "He lured them all back. Back to a familiar place. Back with familiar tricks"

[@lil-va9304]

i love how each member of each channel feels like siblings, one of my favorite parts!

[@bloodystatic4156]

The alternate routes being used as evidence is quite interesting!

[@horus2357]

What if some of the stories from the books, specifically the story of Edwin, aren't a parallel to Henry (or event, character, date, etc.) but a separate character in the same universe? Henry built animatronics out of passion, while Edwin built them because he was paid to do it. For me, this would explain why some animatronics feel like they weren't built by Henry, but they also weren't designed by Afton. (sorry if my grammar isn't the best, english is my first language)

[@FR0571C]

This might have been the best ad ive ever seen Edit: is it possible it was his wife who helped with the killing? It would make more sense if mimic wasn't replacing Elizabeth with Vanessa but instead Clara. Just a thought

[@greenamber9827]

I have thought for awhile that it make more sense for Mrs. Afton to be aware of William's crimes.

[@Znotyou14]

I love that the four hosts have this like siblinf-esque banter between them

[@reljadjenadic2986]

Assuming Elizabeth is older than C.C., its not impossible for her to be William's apprentice in 1979. We can see that only 4 years later, in 1983, C.C is being old enough to walk, talk and he would able to *play with other kids*. Since assumption is that Elizabeth is older, even 1-2 years would be enough to make her old enough in 1979 to be William's apprentice

[@Pwando]

bro im sure others have said it before but I love this rivalry between Tom and Santi sm ❤

[@InaayaCoffey]

I believe Miss Afton (who we haven't seen in a while) was the one dressed as C.B. during fallfest. Because, 1. It would clarify where and who she is. 2, Elizabeth is a little young to be on stage in a costume performing. 3. (The more morbid idea) A child would probably trust a motherly figure just as much, if not more, than a fellow child.

[@higueraft571]

>who we haven't seen in a while) Havent seen ever :V

[@blocks4857]

Mrs Afton isn't important to the lore

[@heormn]

​@@blocks4857 Its a theory. Even if Ms. Afton isn't important nor mentioned once.

[@DarkGope]

Its a bot...

[@holycatgod]

Honestly Scotts probably at the point where he doesnt even know the lore and hes just throwing things at a wall and hopeing they stick

[@purplehaze-y5n]

sorry for the random comment but y’all need to read The Censored Guide to Wealth on Bovolorus, seriously changes how you think

[@higueraft571]

Is it an actual story or "GET RICH QUICK NOW REAL!!!"?

[@SaadTariq-r2g]

To be honest the biggest torture in life is forgetting all fnaf theories and having to learn it all over again

[@WolfenMoony]

Imagine that actually Baby was based on Afton's wife just like Ballora, and Baby scooping Elizabeth was her trying to take back her children somehow, or some part of her wanted to. We don't know if Ms. Afton is still alive anyway, we see her absence, so it could be. Maybe she fell ill or she was Afton's willing partner or the origin of his madness trying to get her back.

[@strikertoney043]

The original silver eyes trilogy did the whole accomplice thing first with cyborg Afton and… Elizabeth-circus baby-fourth closet Charlie… for crying out loud that is unnecessarily complicated… anyway when Tom said accomplice, my mind immediately went to the silver eyes novels… in fact there have notable times when Afton was seen working with someone… mind you not a whole lot, but they’re all there just a matter of piecing the connections together…

[@LukiKruki]

It's not complicated at all

[@Allthingsgaming-mh1wr]

11:04 If Circus Baby's Pizza World was shut down before it even opened, then the only kids that would have been allowed inside would be Elizabeth, Michael, and the other employees's kids. So, CBPW was open, but only for a day.

[@KotyStone]

Petition to have game theory cover dandy's world, it has so much lore but everyone over looks it

[@TeaceGamer]

The accomplice could be the miss afton. 20:00

[@foogelsgm]

I was so sad when MatPat announced that he was retiring that I waited months before watching his last theories because I knew when I watched them one of my favorite channels was going to change forever. In my mind, without MatPat, the channel would be over. It wouldn't be able to survive without him. I've never been more happy to be wrong! After a couple of months I caved, I watched the final theories, I shed a few tears thinking it was the end. But then I watched one of the new era videos. Not out of hope it was going to be good, not to hate watch and spam "I miss MatPat", but because I had so much respect for the hard work not only MatPat did, but his wife, all of you new heads of the channels, and everyone else who has a hand in making the content that I've been enjoying for years. And to what shouldn't have been a surprise it was amazing. Why wouldn't it have been? MatPat made it clear that you all had been working just as hard as him behind the scenes so of course you were going to be good, you weren't just watching from a front row seat how to do it, you were a cog in the machine! I don't comment very often, and I didn't think I'd be writing a comment like this today. But I caught myself absolutely loving an aspect of the videos that I realized wasn't possible before MatPat retired, your ability to collaborate with your fellow channel heads. I think it's hilarious when you reference the others and especially when they have a bit in the episode. Whether it be a bit like a joke or an actual explanation or lore. That has become one of my favorite things in these episodes, and as much as I love MatPat and will forever see him THE Theorist, he is only one person. Doing something collaborative across the channels where we get to see different personalities and specialties talk, teach, and joke around with each other to make awesome content is amazing, and only possible because of you new channel heads. Thank you for living up to and surpassing the content I love to watch. MatPat couldn't have made better choices if he tried, he already got it perfect.

[@SMILEY666Y]

13:13 Its pretty much the same thing when you realize Vanessa was William's accomplice bringing Mike in for him to finish him off in the fnaf movie.

[@daltomono]

there most definetily is prove William always had a accomplice related to baby or his daughter but I think it's too early to figure out how that actually happened in his life, we'll have to wait and see

[@PandaLuluBear]

What if the baby costume was wore by Afton’s wife (or future wife depending on timing), so she’s baby like a nickname, not a child. Do we know anything about Mrs. Afton’s appearance, does she have blue eyes?

[@higueraft571]

>Do we know anything about Mrs. Afton’s appearance, does she have blue eyes? All we know is that she has even *LESS* of a presence/importance to the story than Mrs Emily, which got mentioned in the Novels at least (and that she left Henry) :V

[@itznotgiving5362]

Friend: Let’s watch Tom & Jerry! Me: I’m not allowed to watch that, I watch Tom & Santi instead 8:17

[@ProudOrbit217]

14:33 I’m genuinely loving these bits where the Theorists all interact with eachother in “stealing” ideas that revolve around the episodes of both channels😂😂😂

[@pedrostormrage]

15:34 The "conspiracy board" MatPat talked about! We finally got a sneak peek of it.

[@XxFrozenVoidxX]

18:40 ‘Henry being antony’ Hi, I’m *Mark*