"Gaming Isn't Dying"

The Bright Side of Modern Day Gaming and Why Gaming Isn't Dying
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[@Cayedu]

Wow, thanks for the kind words and support Zack! Happy to see you enjoyed watching the video as much as I enjoyed putting it together.

[@Blighted_Ashes]

It's a well put together video.

[@ajaxygo9058]

W

[@sirgreedy88]

That's Asmond, not Zach.

[@Blighted_Ashes]

@@sirgreedy88 oof

[@WatchingYou2ube]

Made some good points. Only downside were the transitions between points, the music was obnoxiously loud. Other than that GG

[@Honerkamp]

Bad games have always existed, they just weren't as overhyped pre-release to create the many disappointments we have today.

[@Gnidel]

Nah, there was also a lot of hype about them. We simply forgot because those are not the games we return to.

[@brooklynballer2455]

They usually weren’t the ones with the biggest budgets

[@justin-md4xm]

Jekyll and Hyde anyone?

[@Suirioujin]

Are they really over hyped ? Or are the guys who market the game liars ?

[@masayoshisamael3167]

That's what vendors do, they sell you shit, they have infinite chances and strategies to sell you shit, you also have a responsibility to not be easily charmed and just saying yes I'm interested to anything, criteria and grey morality in the end, not just because the people that market a game lied means you're free or extent of blame from wasting your money on something that's not trustful on a simple glance

[@HyperviaI]

"Gaming is dying" mfs after explaining to them that Activision and ubisoft aren't the only game studios (they complain but will never try to seek new experiences)

[@HyperviaI]

Yea giant studios fell off and aren't good anymore but there's still so much to play in the indie scene and if you're the type to complain about modern gaming while directly playing stuff like siege or apex or getting every new triple AAA game on release then you're part of the problem

[@ANTHRAD]

You recommend them some Souls games they complain its too hard, you recommend them some Final Fantasy they say its too Weeb, you recommend Zelda they say the graphics are too bad and cartoony. Some mfs really like to eat shit and there's nothing we can do LMAO

[@hellomotto2850]

Didn’t Zelda come out 5 years ago. Who wants to play final fantasy 7 remake. It was good back in the day because it was ground breaking and the story was new.

[@user-ux3jp9oo7r]

@@hellomotto2850 well sir, Zelda: Breath of the Wild sequel is coming out in 4 days. So how about you try that since you really care about a game being "new"

[@golagiswatchingyou2966]

Unless it's from Japan it probably sucks and has a lot of political activist developers and writers. The most hopeful news for gaming is AI, that's how much gaming has been dying. Its all western AAA game developers.

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

Gaming is not dying, but our standards sure are going down.

[@jeremybolt8950]

nailed it with the standards thing, sad to see every mediocre walking sim or movie game get called a masterpiece when at best the game is a 5/10, the new god of wars would of been made fun of over a decade ago.

[@jeremybolt8950]

@@ha-kh7ef god of wars only saving grace is its graphics, the story is stupid if you have more then 2 brain cells to rub together and the gameplay is only just okay, pity the devs want you to pick flowers for hours on end. The new god of wars are not good by any stretch.

[@BasedChadman]

*Development standards. The consumers aren't so happy.

[@Seb_Falkor]

@@jeremybolt8950 lmao you’re just a sad hater i guess because your ‘criticisms’ make zero sense at all. They are enjoyable and competent action games with a simple but definitely deeper story than the og games about family. You can not like it, sure, but to say they’d be made fun of a decade ago makes me think you’re not even a decade old.

[@Devin7Eleven]

@@ha-kh7ef It’s a typical Sony exclusive third person story focused game. Nothing ground breaking. It’s emotional sensationalism as to why people worship it, because they were in the feels afterwards so they can’t think clearly

[@GamingGavel]

The Asylum Demon is a personality test. You either grind at it forever with a broken sword, you look for another solution, or you quit.

[@gustavvaip1600]

Black bomb squad where you at?

[@rafaelcastor2089]

​@@gustavvaip1600 In the "look for another solution" crowd. Or the first one if they managed to miss a good chunk of them

[@sebastianb.3978]

I somehow qualified for all three of those.

[@btchiaintkidding7837]

​@@sebastianb.3978 how ?

[@ectsy]

@@btchiaintkidding7837he prolly quit at first. Came back to grind at it with the sword. Realized it wasn’t working out and looked for another solution lmao

[@Tekkai50]

Don't let the cartoonish style of Wind Waker fool you. It is an absolute masterpiece with one of the most epic final battles ever. There are so many things that could be said about that game, but I'll end this by saying that Asmon missed a BIG one by not giving Wind Waker a chance. He would've loved it for sure.

[@brendonw456]

For real though, Wind Waker is also HELLA dark when you get into it. This is the timeliness where OoT Link dies against Ganon. The only remaining solution to stop him was to literally flood the entire planet to trap him and the entirety of Hyrule underneath. Link isn't out to save Hyrule in this one anymore, because...it's already lost. There's no getting it back. That civilization has ended, and all that's left in the wake of it are tiny little islands with the inhabitants confined. It's an empty, desolate world now, and a shadow of what it once was. I mean, they don't even have the resources necessary to build all that many ships. Think about how many we actually see in game...and remember that the one you use yourself is literally created via spirit magic.

[@thomasdascombe4939]

Let’s be real he didn’t play it or give it a chance

[@Bottlecapy]

Zelda Wind waker is one of my favorite Zelda games of all time. Asmond is tripping

[@FrahdChikun]

​​​​@@brendonw456 Don't know where you got your info from, but Wind Waker isn't in the fallen hero timeline. WW takes place in the adulthood timeline (Wind Waker -> Phantom Hourglass -> Spirit Tracks), the Hyrule where everyone celebrated Link's victory over Ganon after he was sealed in the Sacred Realm. He eventually broke out and ravaged Hyrule, but there was no hero to defeat him since the legendary hero was back in his original time period a.k.a. the childhood timeline (Majora's Mask -> Twilight Princess -> Four Swords Adventure). That's when the flooding occurred. The fallen hero timeline (Link to the Past -> Link's Awakening -> Link Between Worlds -> Triforce Heroes -> The Legend of Zelda -> Adventure of Link) led to the Imprisoning War, where the sages and the people of Hyrule fought tooth and nail to seal Ganon in the Sacred Realm (known as the Golden Realm). His corruption turned the Golden Realm into the Dark World in LTTP. You might wanna check Hyrule Historia again if I don't convince you.

[@ShaunInce123]

He does bring an interesting perspective in regards to whether not gaming is actually "dying" Also I never expected this level of production for a channel with less than 1K subs.

[@kiryustriker]

The myths about modern audience.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

​@@thunderborn3231 i can bring current gen stuff Though a lot of it hasnt released in America

[@JJJBunney001]

​@thunderborn 32 there's no difference in games that came out in 2017 to now so it doesn't matter, they're all largely microtransaction riddled, grind fests

[@Xero-rr2ol]

@@thunderborn3231 modern is 5 years old. shoot 10 years can be stretched to modern.

[@nathanhargenrader645]

@@thunderborn3231 Yes but there are plenty of examples in more recent years. And let’s be honest all the ding dongs saying games are dead don’t think it started last year they are arguing things have been down hill for a while

[@duerf5826]

Now is the best time for gaming because there hasn't been an easier time for indie developers to create and publish their own games. Such a thing would have been impossible before digital distribution. Indie is where videogames flourish.

[@leegaul2161]

I've personally taken a step back from big studio games, to turn game making into the game itself. Much how I would write my own novel, I'm using the medium of video games as my delivery, so that I can put the features that I want into it. I'm not even driven on the idea of it being something marketable. I just want to cobble something together that I would have loved to play when I was a child, but never got to because we were all subject to the whims of the larger studios.

[@dangerousfelon]

True to an extent.. I've played a lot of enjoyable indie games but if I were to rank the top 5 games I've played in the last 3 years I would say only one of them is an indie game, and that's Valheim

[@kiryustriker]

Indie games are overhyped garbage.

[@user-ux3jp9oo7r]

@@birdbig6852 Just like there were shit games back then, there are shit games right now. Thats why you go play the "classics" and not random games. Same thing applies currently, i play so many indie games and enjoy them, some of them are really masterpieces

[@radandpaisley]

​@kiryu every indie game is overrated? Bruh lmao

[@kalsizzle]

I have about a billion games on my backlist to play. I've spent the last two months playing Octopath Traveller 1 & 2 and will play tons of Zelda soon. The biggest problem about gaming these days is that nobody beats the damn games they buy.

[@YourACun..t]

If U like final fantasy you’ll like octopath the only difference is realistically every story is 1 sided with dialogue boxes of opinions from U party members of U want Zelda Twilight princess is a must

[@imo098765]

because most games people buy arent worth your time

[@namethefifth7315]

Did you muan bucket list

[@kalsizzle]

@@namethefifth7315 I meant backlog

[@namethefifth7315]

@@kalsizzle close enough

[@miamistormz]

Gaming will never die! That’s like saying movies are dying. I remember in the 90’s they said gaming is dying. There will always be a company that comes along and changes the game and draws gamers back in.

[@OniGanon]

Movies are dying. Hardly anything good has come out in 4 years. It's been so bad that movies that reach basic competancy are celebrated. I think the only movie I was excited to see in that time was Dune, and that ended up being only half a movie.

[@OniGanon]

@@chaost4544 I know Dune wasn't going to get the whole thing done in one movie, but it ended in a strange place and didn't feel as self contained as I would like. Still, looking forward to the next one. Also I think you got the wrong Korea.

[@kutark]

Movies are dying. The industry is down something like 40%, and we're way past the excuse of using covid lockdowns. Streaming services are hemorrhaging users as well. Soooooooo....

[@Boogerdick69]

@@chaost4544movies have gotten worse. Games haven’t, big difference. Cgi in new movies is ass compared to the 90s/00s

[@JJJBunney001]

​@@OniGanon just because, in your opinion, you didn't like some movies. That doesn't mean movies are dying

[@Metaljacket420]

Moon wasn't the bad guy in Majora's Mask it's skill kid, the moon isn't angry it's scared AF because it's about to crash into earth, that's why it sheds a tear you pick up.

[@ebenezerspludge8369]

Ha ha you are right although technically it's the mask that skull kid is wearing that was infused with an immortal being with lots of power.

[@HenkkaArtGames]

Gameplay always triumphs over story because gameplay is one thing games can actually do that other forms of media really can't.

[@are3287]

Thats why we're in a gaming dark age now, most studios focus on... well not even a good story, just graphics and inclusion. Mid hack and slashes with next gen graphics and a shitty linear story.

[@ArjunTheRageGuy]

Yeah like, where's the game without the gameplay?

[@hunterhorsehelmsley7315]

@@are3287 "gaming dark age" bro touch some grass. There are plenty of games and studios are focus on the game. You just choose to follow the exact same devs every year and for some reason shocked when you get burned again. Gaming has NEVER been better. Literally. There's no reason to want to live in any other era other than this one.

[@lukethelegend9705]

For me it’s been almost the exact opposite, I love good gameplay but a really good story will pretty much carry the whole thing for me

[@megadesu69]

One of the big downsides of 'photorealism' is the loss of unique visual styles as everything ends up looking basically the same.

[@shutup1037]

But those are what "gamers" nowadays want and also fomo

[@ruski77]

You can have photorealism while also maintaining visual styles, just look at Ghost of Tsushima.

[@jorie100]

Maybe stop playing COD and you'll find plenty of other games that aim for style over realism.

[@NayrAnur]

Alan Wake 2 is gunning for photoreal and yet has a distinct style.

[@aidanisachair]

Asmon is the reason Nintendo made Twilight Princess after Wind Waker lmao

[@SoullessKuriboh]

him saying it used to be darker is hilarious when you see the overall story

[@elGringo69]

Fuck that, 2004 was Halo 2. I would do 2004-2011 on repeat for all of time. The golden era

[@toof987]

I used to think live service games were bad but then I realized I've been playing them for years. The first was Neverwinter Nights on AoL back in 1991 followed by Ultima Online then WoW. Live service games are fine when they are done right.

[@slydevil4759]

I think video games can be a very immersive way to tell a story if done right, but a lot of times it fails because the developers don't take in to account the gameplay when they make the story. Like how they try to make it a big deal about you killing one person or another, when you already killed 50 of his henchmen on the way to that person.

[@rightfield1212]

That's got The Last of Us Part 2 written all over it lol

[@GamePlayuh9510]

I hate when a combat focused game preaches to me about violence. Like, that's the entire reason I'm here, dawg.

[@DickPenisecki]

​@@GamePlayuh9510Liquid Snake: "you enjoy all the killing!" Player: "you literally did not give me a non-lethal option"

[@Amalga_Heart]

I honestly think that one of the most sinister things the AAA guys ever did isnt anything to do with microtransactions or whatnot, instead it's something else: They convinced a lot of gamers that they, the AAA guys, are the ONLY thing in town, and that any games not from them arent "real" games. That's part of why you see so many "gaming is dying" videos... if you actually watch those, a lot of them only talk about AAA stuff, they dont ever mention indies or perhaps AA studios. Or they'll mention them but it'll be a brief little "yeah I guess these exist, but whatever". Because those arent "real" games. I've got a friend who is like this, complains all the time that nothing good ever comes out, and argh the latest release from whoever is terrible, oh they screwed it up AGAIN, okay back to playing through Skyrim or Fallout for the 300th time because "there's nothing else". While here I am, practically drowning in amazing games, just one after another. He wont try any of the ones I like though. They arent from a giant company and didnt come with a misleading trailer full of TEH GRAFIX. I mean good grief, even just looking through the comments on this very video you see evidence of this. And half the time, even when you do see someone acknowledge indies, they'll be like "well I guess there are a couple of good ones **points at Hades** but like 99% of them are garbage" and generally it's at that point that I realize they never ACTUALLY tried much. Which brings me to the OTHER sinister thing the AAA guys managed to do: they make it so that nobody wants to, you know, BROWSE. With AAA games, you dont have to browse around, they come screaming at you with giant blinking signs about their game, and if you somehow miss that, they'll just keep doing it over and over. They come to YOU. But with indies, or just anything non-AAA, it's the other way around. They arent going to come to you, because they dont have giant marketing teams. YOU have to go and ACTUALLY LOOK AROUND. But so many mainstream gamers wont do that. Because that's not what they're used to now. And so the AAA guys continue to be the center of attention. The good part is, more and more people seem to be realizing that there's more out there. Vampire Survivors is a GREAT example of this. I mean... just freaking look at it. Yet despite how it looks, people freaking eat it up! It's good stuff! And then, suddenly, they want more. Yeah it doesnt have TEH GRAFIX but it was still fun... maybe there's more out there. Definitely seeing that happening more often. Not just because of VS. Just in general I mean. Still frustrating though, watching people complain about this topic overall when good stuff is like, RIGHT FREAKING THERE, if only they'd, you know, turn and look.

[@TheUltimateHacker007]

They pay alot to be the front page at stores too. It's all about money

[@thing4826]

Some great single player games actually that I've been playing for the past months and loving are Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord, Survivalist: Invisible Strain, Sapiens, Project Zomboid, RimWorld and so many more. Like while they haven't released THIS YEAR, they are all game still being developed and have incredible single player experiences that people gloss over when saying the single player genre is dying. I mean the five games I named I have collectively put 497 hours into... and not only that but they are all capable of being modded using the official steam workshop allowing you to have an even more tailored experience to what you want. (Oh yeah also for the ones on this list that do also have capabilities to play multiplayer... it's completely free and isn't pay to win! Fantastic!)

[@Spinexus]

I think gaming is more then just a medium for storytelling. The gameplay itself is the core of a video game.

[@mardy3732]

Yea many people, including myself, don't give a shit about story games.

[@frank8917]

​@@mardy3732so ypure not going to play Doki Doki literature club because... it has no gameplay?

[@Loopholez91]

Doki Doki Literature Club is literally mindblowing. It's honestly a greatly made game. Definitely was awesome watching Markiplier playing it.

[@vasily7658]

LMAO, my friend recommended me to play it without saying a thing. I was caught so off guard.

[@jamestomlin5525]

Dude. Gaming literally will never die. Do you realize the thousands of roms and emulators out there that will run games from the 80s to current? A person has a lifetime of titles to go through

[@jamestomlin5525]

@@captainspaulding5963 yeah man but you get what I mean lol

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@GomulDart Ever heard of the industry's collapse? That can and most likely will happen at some point, in the next 7 years. It's mostly because every AAA game tries to be the next biggest game ever. The next GTA, let's say, that's why there's so many goddamned open world games.

[@MonkeyGiraffe]

And why do you want to go through those old titles? They are done I don't get why people want to go back? Life goes on. Move on and find better things to do.

[@jamestomlin5525]

@@MonkeyGiraffe because they're still better than 90% of what you zoomers consume

[@TNTITAN]

@@MonkeyGiraffeBecause just because they are old doesn’t mean they are not good games. It not videogames is the only industry with classics to them.

[@JemyM]

He displays Super Mario (1986), Golden Axe 2 (1991), Street Fighter and CastleVania (that both exploded in the 90s), while talking about story and narrative. For people who weren't around back then, let me tell you that this debate was 100% debated all the way back in the 80s, with a rift between people who played action games and people who preferred adventuregames like Zork (1977) and King's Quest (1984). They were enjoyed primarily because they had a strong story and narrative. Around 1990 the adventure games were among the most anticipated out there, with Lucas Arts and Sierra being market leaders. The Adventure Games genre only ceased to be in the center when other genres began to be able to deliver the same depth of story and narrative, as if they passed over a torch. Gameplay WAS secondary for these adventuregames. Gameplay was pretty much based on puzzles and the reward for beating them was more of the story.

[@richardhambel648]

The thing about gaming in the 90s and 2000s is there was a new amazing game to look forward to every 1 or 2 months. Now it's something around 6 months to several years. A single game could have one or two sequels, one per year back to back, in one console generation and all of them actually be great worthwhile games.

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

Just don't buy $70 0/10 broken games.

[@torchlight1785]

@CANDYDUST All the games you play are 0/10 and $70 dollars?

[@tehCostHD]

@CANDYDUST you are living off nostalgia my guy. This year+last year is the best 2 years in video game history for new releases.

[@shaqthegr8884]

In fighting games, we maybe living a new golden age with the arrival of Street Fighter VI , MK 12 , Tekken 8 and KOF XV So yeah it's a good time for gaming for me .

[@jeremysmith3701]

I think the best example of have heard is, yes, you can go up to a random medicine cabinet and see the intricate details of each little bottle on the shelf, then see every wrinkle, line and eyelash in the mirror... and not a bit of this made the game more fun or more in depth, it just made the game take longer and cost more.

[@copypastemyname]

I think that in order to make his arguement about stories in games more solid he misrepresents reality to a great degree. Games are not the best medium to tell or experience a story, it depends on the story. You cant have a game that its story is exploring the 24 hours of an investment bank during the start of the 2008 mortgage crisis, but in movies you can get Margin Call. You cant have a game about a single father and his son trying to survive in San Francisco pursuing the American Dream, but you can have Pursuit of Happiness. You cant have a game about New Year's Eve chaos in a restaurant kitchen, but you can have Boiling Point. And there are so many more examples that we can go for hours. Moreover, older games were not devoid of story telling either. Sure all the arcade games he displays are basically exclusively gameplay, but there are many MANY games of that era or older that are story based. Multitude of text based or The Mist-like RPGS are story based, adventure games like Monkey Island, The Dig, Broken Sword... all of them primarily story based. So yeah while games back then where a lot different than today in their majority, there was a pretty big subset of them that focused on storytelling.

[@GakiWho]

With indies you don't have to always innovate, sometimes you just have to use already existing mechanics from other good games and make a simple polished game.

[@team4star1]

I think the trouble is video games are probably the most popular hobby in the world, while also being the most recently developed hobby. If the hobby was built on understanding and camaraderie like many other hobbies it would be in a much healthier state for both the hobbyists and the games themselves. Take for example something like wood carving, sure you aren’t gonna meet a ton of people who enjoy it, but those who do are extremely knowledgeable in the hobby and are functioning adults outside of the hobby. Which also sheds light on how many gamers are not functioning adults with a stable income. There is this obsession with binging a game all at once rather than taking time over a month to finish a single game while having a life outside of it. As well as the lifestyle of anyone playing games simply leads to being unhelthy, snacking, junk food, and not seeing the sun. Another thing to point out is how playing video games is extremely new compared to any other hobby that has existed for hundreds if not thousands of years depending on each hobby.

[@f3fe]

Very good point. Companies stand to gain a lot by keeping people playing their games for a long time. Quantity > Quality

[@mauree1618]

Well said.

[@WankersCramp69]

A game with good graphics, gameplay and a good story can easily be utterly destroyed by corporate greed.

[@forrandomsites3336]

Gaming has gotten way more bigger than it ever was 10+ years ago(which is why I still don't agree with the $70 price tag), but I feel like when people say it's dying, it doesn't necessarily mean it's becoming an obsolete form of entertainment, but the pure excitement of playing a game has dwindled so much to the point that you get excited of a new game, play it, enjoy (or hate it), but regardless of whether you hated it or loved it, it never has that staying power, you just move on to a different game.

[@bretert]

$70 today was $49 in 2013.

[@Dragonologist]

​@bretert 70% inflation in one decade. Feds are still printing more money too. We are trapped and told we voted for it. 🙃

[@farrex0]

@@bretert Not to mention that in 2013 a game was $60. I still find it expensive, but, in terms of historical pricing games have been getting cheaper thanks to inflation.

[@shiny460]

The idea that a game has to have "staying power" beyond you playing it, then playing something else is completely absurd though.

[@third-ratedude4234]

>whether you hated it or loved it, it never has that staying power, you just moved on to different games By that logic, gaming has been dead since the 90s

[@PandawanTTV]

Even fighting games have gravitated toward real story modes. They were one of the most notorious "gameplay only" genres.

[@PandawanTTV]

@@thatlonzoguy then don't play the story and just go into online. Having the choice is good.

[@ErikGsson]

When you said online service games have a potential to die made me think of when death comes for oldschool runescape, its 10 years now and I cant really see it dying any time soon

[@glassboxes]

there will always be incentive for the underdogs to create compelling games. you should remember that at one point, nearly every company was a small group of people that were in love with what they were making. there will always be a smaller group that are iterating ideas into better and more vast versions of older things

[@farrex0]

True, which makes it so exciting that, now more than ever, it is easier for those smaller groups to create something. Not to mention, that it will get easier for them in the future.

[@malakian4889]

The western video game industry has become perfectly shitty, but fortunately there are always the indie and Japanese ones in 2023: Final Bar Line, Resident Evil 4 Remake, Zelda TotK, Metroid Prime Remaster, Hi-Fi Rush, Dredge, Pizza Tower, all of them seem very nice to me.

[@Youngdrac]

Does anyone else just love baldy?

[@thesponge836]

I love lamp

[@fargonthebrave]

The fact is people have accepted it they complain but still go out buy it and companies know this.

[@spacialsnake79]

this isn't the end of gaming this is the end point of buyers remorse and devs refusing to do anything to promote amazing gaming experiences anymore

[@cobrius3179]

Played games basically all day every day for 15 years and can safely say that RDR2 is basically the last game in memory that made me go "Holy shit" whilst playing it. Recommend a playthrough 100%

[@RBLXDignitysHQ]

yeah i played rdr2 last year and fuck me it was crazy

[@NeXusZT]

That was elden ring for me. I've been gaming since I was 5, so almost 30 years and elden ring blew me away. I love that there was absolutely no quest markers or hand holding. Finding something new or secret was truly like it was back in the day.

[@oldreaddy3341]

I don't think there has ever been a game that I've played that has made stop and smell the roses... is that normal?

[@1kanyestan394]

Game was kinda boring for me

[@lucckyZ]

It's the game I genuinely spend 6 hours of my free time, doing absolutely nothing, just walking, entering a bar the first time I'm at a city, drinking, playing some poker. Maybe go hunting, and always, ALWAYS, walking slowly. It's the most immersive 3rd person game I've ever played.

[@stroym]

Dude, Blasphemous is such a great game I never see anyone talk about. The setting is so good! Definitely play it. :) It gets pretty ruthless once you start playing NG+ with modifiers, but it's still very fun. They recently announced Blasphemous 2, too.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Here is a list of games that are not very known outside of fans of their respective genre today, but I encourage people to give it a try: - Tactics Ogre Reborn - Deep Sky Derelicts - Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura - Iconoclasts - Unsighted - 9 Years of Shadows - Ib - Odin Sphere - Battletech (2018) - Homeworld - Dragon's Crown - Unreal (no, not Unreal Tournament or the Engine but the original 1998 game) - VA-11 HALL-A (it is spelled Valhalla)

[@vasily7658]

@@fernandozavaletabustos205 I'd like to add: hello charlotte And OFF

[@btchiaintkidding7837]

​@@fernandozavaletabustos205 replace "9 years of shadow" with "Afterimage"

[@Silverfirefly1]

It used to be the norm to pick your tape based game and early cartridge games by the cover art on the box and if you were lucky from a half decent screenshot on the box or in a magazine. The covers were like the covers of sci-fi books and for the same reason - th player was going to use a lot of visual imagination to cover the distance between the premise and the execution which was always just some dots and lines. You would often get a bad game, but you'd play it anyway because you only had 5 or so games and it was months until someone would buy you a new 'toy'. When we got a good game, often found by accident by a friend, it would be AMAZING fortune. People look at the retro games that are still known and played and think that's all there was, like there used to be a concentration of great games then that changed somehow but no, there was always a sea of crap and we had very few options to navigate it, those that are still going are just what survived. No-one is too young for nostalgia, we are all happily remembering the good times and comparing them to the current bad times but it is an illusion. Good and bad are there both then and now. That's just the quality of games, the actual industry appears to have changed a lot and is suffering from it's own size and scale, so the bad is coming from different avenues than in the past but good games do still exist and are easier to evalute prior purchase than ever before.

[@Spoutnicks]

I think the general complaint about modern day gaming is that it feels less and less like a work of art and passion and more like a FOMO inducing dopamine generator tweaked for maximum business profit.

[@LilMellick]

Dude i was thinking about this a few months ago. I downloaded a xbox 360 emulator only to realize that there arent really any games i want to download. All the games i used to play were multiplayer or they were xbox arcade games. But i can go to my ps2 emulator and theres close 50 games that i go back to regularly and can still enjoy them.

[@azurdetyvia2966]

Xbox 360 has only made its reputation with Halo 3 multiplayer and Xbox Live functionalities. When I hear people say PS3 has no games, it really pisses me off. In the span of 3 years, PS5 has only had 3 or 4 major releases whereas PS3 already had dozens of IPs and consistent sequels.

[@roroshanplays]

Man hearing Asmon's opinion on Wind Waker makes me sad. Aesthetically might not have been for him, but it has some dark moments and a genuine good story full of exploration. Hyrule flooded. Sages killed, a remoseful Ganondorf and just so many subtle things that tied into OoT Future Timeline. Get where he is coming from feeling it wasn't as dark but it was a change for the better mechanically and helped artistically lead into Skyward Sword and BotW. I suppose TP would of been more up his alley.

[@disgaealikerasapOG]

his is a very shallow take for that topic.

[@orionfell]

@@first__last eh zelda 2 and alttp were both darker than wind waker. zelda 1 is so early that you cant really interpolate any themes from it. so id say youre wrong, the cartoony games pre ww are pretty much all the handheld games.

[@Lubben]

Not only that. Back in the good ol'days, a demo was usually released before the full release. PC magz had a ton of demos. Half Life had a demo, Age of Empires 2 had a demo, Battlefield 1942 had a demo. It was a common practice to have demos. I didn't buy Empire Total War because the demo was bad and knew the launch would be terrible. I kept all my games. I had NES and SNES, but I never bought any games myself to these consoles. Like the NES that I would later inherited from my grandmother. Basically a handful of Mario games + DuckTales. Only good games tho. I still have the CD's of my old games + Nintendo 64, GameBoy Color games and they are all old gems. Back in the old days I was never disappointed. I had more games but these is what I bought myself. PC: Half Life, The Sims, Civilization 2, Settlers 3, Settlers 4, Uprising: Join or Die, Age of Empires 2, Age of Empires 2 The Conquerors, Age of Mythology, Warcraft 3, Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne, Battlefield 1942, Battlefield Vietnam, Battlefield 2, Rome Total War, Medieval 2 Total War, Shogun 2 Total War, Sudden Strike 2, WarBirds, Command & Conquer Red Alert: Aftermath, Command & Conquer Tiberian Sun, Heart of Darkness, Star Wars: Galaxies Nintendo 64: Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Zelda Ocarina of Time, Zelda Majoras Mask, Golden Eye 64, World Cup 98 (Fifa), 1080° Snowboarding, Diddy Kong Racing, Donkey Kong. GameBoy Color: Pokemon Red, Pokemon Blue, Pokemon Silver, Pokemon Gold Xbox: Halo Combat Evolved, Halo 2, Desert Conflict, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas PS3: I actually got a PS3 for free, when GTA 5 released. GTA 5 was a PS exclusive game and would not be released on PC before a year later. So I actually bought this game on CD, just so I could play GTA5. Otherwise Shogun 2 would be the last game I bought on CD. I pre-ordered Shogun 2 for the March 15, 2011 release date. And it would be the last good Total War game :( I enjoyed Rome 2 , but it had a rough release. It was definitely better back then. Easier to find a real good game and we had fewer games to choose from. So LAN-party was actually fun, people played the same game most of the time. If I check my friend list on Steam today, most gamers are now playing different games. Before LAN parties, other kids in my street and around would come to me and would play split-screen games in my basement.

[@Blindcontroller]

Wind Waker was still dark and you didn’t fight the moon in Majora’s Mask. 😂😂 You fight the possessed skull kid that tries to drop it.

[@rwjscaper]

damn, his opinion on Wind Waker might be his worst take of all time

[@disgaealikerasapOG]

Wind Waker is GOATed

[@cheatermishin]

Does everyone already forget about Rockstar's GTA remakes? Funny to hear that Rockstar is different than Ubisoft in their greed

[@Tsarius11]

Wind Waker is also brutal, don't let the cel-shaded art style fool you.

[@mattronimus]

4:55 this explains breath of the wild. It is light on story as Zelda games go. But the game play is so fun and addictive. That's why it got game of the year, and why tears of the kingdom will also get game of the year.

[@are3287]

Hold your horses, other gameplay focused games coming out later this year too

[@djangofett4855]

Gaming isn’t dying, gamers are dying. Each day we get older and march towards the sweet release

[@are3287]

Before Elden Ring: "Gaming is dying" After Elden Ring: "Gaming is no longer dying"

[@Dr.AvenVon]

ok, so his reasons are: 1: graphics are gettingbetter (wich means very little) 2: indie is getting bigger 3: single player isn't dying (wow. great improvement) 4 not all life service games are total trash. fantastic points, my outlook on gaming has greatly improved. Now I'll return to play games from over 10 years ago, because most games coming out today are still trash.

[@Dr.AvenVon]

@Benjamin Allison at least back then people didn't promise that those games were the second coming of Christ. And we didn't get insulted by the companies when their shit games sold bad

[@tehCostHD]

@@Dr.AvenVon that’s not the gaming industry’s fault. It’s your own fault for having too high expectations

[@Dr.AvenVon]

@@tehCostHD high? lol, my expectations are at an all-time low here, and I still get dissapointed by alot of games.

[@tehCostHD]

@@Dr.AvenVon and what about all the incredible games?

[@tehCostHD]

@@Dr.AvenVon in the last year or so we’ve had elden ring, god of war ragnarok, fire emblem, Metroid prime, resident evil 4, hogwarts, dead space, wo long, Jedi survivor(not counting performance issues, the design of the game itself is incredible), and soon we are getting tears of the kingdom, final fantasy 16, spider man 2, armoured core 6, elden ring expansion, street fighter 6, and more. That’s all in 1.5 years time. And there’s ones I’ve missed and all the great indie games. So again, why don’t you ever talk about all these incredible new games? Yet only games from 10+ years ago are good? What a joke.

[@waisetsubunsho7934]

It's easy to tell Asmon didn't play Zelda Windwaker at release. Windwaker was groundbreaking. It had a lot of dark undertones typical to Zelda, but most importantly, the vastness of the world and the feeling of going on an open world adventure on your little boat had no parallel in the gaming world of the time. Maybe still doesn't.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Wind Waker was also very disliked by having a cartoonish visual artstyle, which contrasted with Twilight Princess.

[@waisetsubunsho7934]

@@fernandozavaletabustos205 yep, legit. At launch it contrasted with a game that came out years later

[@Darrylx33]

Games were more fun when I was young and oblivious. When I was playing harvest moon on GBA or even the sims I didn't know how to lookup for guides online nor do I know it existed. I simply just play the game as is and discover things along the way. Nowadays I just google every minor detail to min-max a game, reading the wiki and following guides. Maybe games didn't change, but we changed.

[@dangerousfelon]

TBF games are much harder to figure out now. Just progressing the campaign in a game like elden ring is ridiculously convoluted at times and most players would get stuck if not for online guides. Developers have started designing their games with the foreknowledge that players will share immense information with eachother online, and that allows them to leave things vague and without explanation, because they know the neckbeards will figure it out for everyone else . Kind of sucks imo but it is what it is.

[@YourACun..t]

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[@xdarthpool6463]

I think the PS3 era was the GOAT. Most of the big franchises started on the PS3. Online was free on the PS3. PS+ started on PS3. Getting free games every month started on PS3. Souls and souls like games started on PS3. Companies were just starting to experiment with online (around the time of PS3) so there were no loot boxes... there were no season passes... there were no microtransactions (in most games I played)... there was no FTP pay to win... and it was the golden age of FPS's (you had to enjoy it while it lasted because nothing lasts forever lol). GTAV launched on PS3 lol for the PS3 (its 2023 and GTAV was a PS3 game). But they did do DLC (but the DLC was good). Then, the quality going from ps2 to ps3 was jaw droppingly good.

[@murkel7634]

The main issue with AAA games tooday is a lack of innovation in all but monetisation. Almost every AAA studio tends to only use concepts that have proven themselves in the past but with everyone doing it the field, it is causing major burnout from said concepts. The reason indie games are doing so well in comparison is that they are innovating said concepts, wich prevents said burnout even if the innovation may not always be for the better.

[@Mrnoob951]

I love gaming in 2023 *boots up another early 2010s game* .

[@LightSilver7]

gaming has always been fun for me. 😎 bad game came out? I simply don't play it. good game came out? add it to the list.

[@zoom4897]

They have limited themselves. I know a lot of studio's that have some real jerks in charge and it's not only the devs that are being dumb, but also the higher ups that continue to tunnelvision their resources into projects that serve little to no purpose. Back then, the developers weren't limiting themselves on creativity. Right now, it's a neccesity to keep devs in check for what they can do and can't do.

[@ChemiiOneLegacy]

The industry actually went through something similar in 1977 & 1983 which caused the market to completely collapse. The second time specifically forced companies to stop rushing and shipping garbage (relative to the time period). The recovery is largely attributed to Nintendo.

[@ercan6419]

i actually belive its not the games that have deterriorated but the friendships we had that did. Any game is fun if you got your friends on discord. Very few games can be good when you are playing alone.

[@SkyGrizzzley]

Gaming is like my 2nd job and 2nd family, I like my first one more at this point

[@CrityCrit]

People hate live service because it ruined so many amazing ips it makes sense honestly. If you get screwed over by someone multiple times you won’t trust them as much.

[@howyoudoinggrim]

Windwaker was dark too

[@SoullessKuriboh]

exactly

[@IronBear88]

Mods were indeed the pioneers of new game genres. I raise you Counter-Strike as the mod for Half-Life. Basically blew up FPS market. Then the DotA mod for Warcraft created the MOBA genre.

[@phenel]

I. Literally. Don't. Care. About. Graphics. some of the most immersed i've ever been in a game was in the 16bit era. you get immersed in the story, not the gameplay. you have fun with the gameplay, not the story. graphics are 100% secondary to both gameplay and story. I think you've glossed over the problem with live service. it's not always about giving us a game that's updating, it's about punching out a subpar piece of shit game and fixing it later. meanwhile, charging people for early access and being beta testers. P.S. I do not preorder or play early-access games, but almost every one of my friends does and it's infuriating.

[@Sgt_SealCluber]

Who cares if some things improved if the OVERALL experience is worse!! Game companies have gone from "greed" territory straight into "ABSOLUTE SCUM!!!" territory.

[@McRotten]

Gaming isn't dying, but AAA games are. Indie games is the place to be as of now.

[@tribvne9633]

Everyone here talking about Zelda was their childhood seem to never have caressed a golden original Nintendo cartridge and waited for an hour plus drive to get home. And lord help you if your mom had plans between the lone game store in your (non)general area and your house.... Sheer pain.

[@SuperKinahead]

Its not even gaming at this point its gambling

[@elder2105]

Indie games are really popping off so I’m satisfied with the current gaming scene, I don’t really get the newest triple A games so I don’t really deal with some of the bad releases, I occasionally play some of the established games like apex, persona games, overwatch etc. but overall, my experience is good

[@MrKULVIS]

Its interesting how the landscape has changed. It used to be all the casuals would play single player AAA games ( GTA 3, God of war, etc), the hardcore players would be the ones playing online. This began to shift during PS3 X360 era. Now its the opposite. I honestly think the main reason these games are played is because they are free. The game being good is second fiddle.

[@liampriestman4090]

2012, 1 year before the Xbox one and ps4 release would be my dream era to be frozen in for gaming

[@Meteor2022]

No. Just no. Games should be expected to be good, it shouldn't be a celebrated thing when a game is good because they just should be. It is unacceptable for a product to not deliver on its promises without recompense, and I don't consider finishing the game slowly over the course of two years after release to be recompense.

[@justforfun-tf6jt]

Absolutely love and agree with your take on Zelda! I'm still hooked though and play them all just really miss that old in your face style

[@mkjjoe]

That was enabled by having so much less to show on screen, people filled in the blanks especially kids who would then build expectations as they got older and "edgier". Though it didn't help that before WW, Nintendo showed off a demo cutscene in OoT style but more photo-realistic. Still WW absolutely had serious tones to contrast the cheerful style and characters, even the most serious attempt at giving character to the villain. After WW they went for a gloomier style with TP and many players felt vindicated, but TP has its own merits and the series was never meant to be just one style. Today Zelda is still about contrasts in themes including light and darkness, and we still have to fill in the blanks.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Here is a list of games that are not very known outside of fans of the genre today, but I encourage people to give it a try: - Tactics Ogre Reborn - Deep Sky Derelicts - Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura - Iconoclasts - Unsighted - 9 Years of Shadows - Ib - Odin Sphere - Battletech (2018) - Homeworld - Dragon's Crown - Unreal (no, not Unreal Tournament or the Engine but the original 1998 game) - VA-11 HALL-A (it is spelled Valhalla)

[@JordanGarland]

i felt the same way about windwaker, but once you start playing it its undeniably great.

[@justinparker7712]

People are more likely pessimistic about modern monetization and the direction its going while the games themselves are actually better but the monetization hates gets conflated with hate of modern gaming in general.

[@GalcianBTH]

The problem isn't that we don't have great games. The problem is the games and developers we loved fell off. Many stubbornly refuse to move on.

[@Tremblay343]

The problem not addressed is how live service is eroding away single player content from first party studios. Look at rocksteady. Hasn't released a new game since 2015 and now they're releasing anthem 2.0. Whoopie. The problem is studios are unwilling to take risks because games are so bloated now that there's no way they're letting their massive IP exist without some sort of live service game

[@SKS_Shadowkitty]

Good games are better than ever, but the bar for 'average' games has dipped dramatically and truly bad games have tanked so far its criminal. Overall we've hit a threshold where the handful of gems we get are highly polished treasures, but they are buried ever deeper in half-finished cash grabs and reprinted trash.

[@setheauspleroma341]

what's more sad is I watch these videos before asmon even finds them and then I rewatch his reactions because I have no life. and his takes are hilarious and down to earth for gamers 😂👈

[@zackawesomeness2506]

L Wind Waker opinion

[@patrickbrooks2644]

Because games are entertainment they have always been there to take your money. Since arcades the difference is the leaps have slowed while the entertainment has become more expensive. Red fall is the same price as elden ring or red dead 2 which is the big problem. They want rockstar money without rockstar effort.

[@CannedSpaghettios]

It's what happens to an industry that is massively popular and profitable, it becomes corporate and soulless. Even good AAA games that come out nowadays are throttled by some kind of grubby money making scheme, not all, but many are and it's pathetic. Corporations kill creativity in pursuit of higher profit margins.

[@josiahprowse8705]

Man I’d pay money to watch Asmon play those old games on stream and reminisce about the times he played them. It would take forever but it would be incredible

[@ebenezerspludge8369]

How much money? Does it have to actually be him or can it be AI generated? ha ha J/K.

[@Taylor-bw4zg]

7:20 clearly asmon didnt pay attention to windwaker at all considering that's the timeline where link loses and the world was flooded by the goddesses prevent ganon from killing everyone while the king died in his doomed kingdom lmao

[@Xerathiel]

I will read a book over games too often. Games are too trashy at times and waste my time with shit that doesn't relate to story or even remotely reflects the story.

[@calebwithak]

It feels like gaming is improving but not at the rate or way we had hope for innocently as children and young adults that were there for the genesis of gaming. The trajectory for improvement in the beginning of gaming was tremendous and set a standard of hope for us that may not have been sustainable. I think part of the problem is gaming studios becoming bloated and more about profit and sustaining the studio rather than the way games were initially made with the focus on making the best game possible to get acclaim and renown for being a great game developer.

[@apkmaniac9085]

Recently found out I have Aphantasia, so games is a great way for me to get into a story. I could read a book and forget details that become plot twists later on and I just give up confused.

[@ink2862]

3:30 Sure games are prettier now, and better acted, that doesnt mean they are better at all overall. 2001-2011 was the prime for gaming. 2007 is the best year ever in gaming. The quality of games overall is shit now. Boring, generic, no one tries anything new. How many souls copy cat games have we had now? Or Sony cutscene games?

[@ink2862]

6:00 I have yet to see the Original video reference any game from this century lol. Obviously games today are better than a 2D side scroller with no actual voice dialogue or story

[@ThatsMySkill]

the industry has become horrible when it comes to monetization. 15 years ago the only way to really make money was to make good games. nowadays you can make an alright game at its core and then pump it full of fomo enducing cosmetic shops to make money. it completely shifted almost every company's view to microtransactions. thats why im a big fan of from software, cause despite the state of the industry, they still treat their games and playerbase like companies did 15 years ago wich makes them stand out and feel special. cod was once a great franchise. nowadays its riding the wave of its previous success combined with nostalgia and cosmetics. there is a reason why they keep going back to the old games (black ops cold war, modern warfare). its profitable. and people are dumb enough to buy into that stuff. there is no real incentive to make the best game possible when half of the games planning goes into new schemes on how to drain your playerbase's pockets. also i have to add that the industry is extremely oversaturated just like every other industry today as technology for creating movies, games and music became more accessible. nowadays i feel like 90% of all games are extremely horrible garbage when back then i felt like a new blockbuster game was releasing every week. okay. one last thing. i absolutely hate the hype up to big releases. i feel there should be laws that only lets studios reveal games like 6 months max before release. i hate studios hyping up games years in advance. if a game releases and is just alright after being hyped into oblivion for years, people will hate on it cause they have waited so long. like we all know bethesda has really unfinished games. they are buggy as hell so apart from die hard bethesda fans, you can be sure everyone will shit on starfield and the next elder scrolls just for being buggy. the new elder scrolls was revealed 4 years ago and its still 5+ years away. you just cant meet expectations that are hyped up over a 10 year span. cyberpunk was an alright game but it was as buggy as a bethesda game. even if the game had no bugs, people would have shit on it just for the simple fact that they have waited for like 10 years to finally play it and it couldnt live up to such a long hype period. give it 6 months max between reveal and release and you will have healthy hype. in my eyes every game should get revealed as soon as it has the release date. dont reveal it 10 years earlier and keep delaying it.

[@andresrufat-latre9632]

"games" unique benefit is gameplay. While telling stories should not be excluded, it is incredibly inefficient to tell stories in games unless there is an incredibly compelling reason to do so for that particular story. Just like how there isn't much point in making a film that a single image could easily depict with similar effectiveness. Story should not be the standard, but should be permissable as a known phenominae. This will NEVER excuse bad gameplay though. If gameplay is bad, you shoulda made a movie.

[@MrSuperJ]

Just replayed chronotrigger over a couple weeks and it's still amazing. It just felt like a normal thought process while playing. Your buddy got killed by some asshole then you don't like him. Keep playing and you see the big picture and understand everything better. There was no UwU shit and it was just well made

[@MrJeffreyrichards]

Story and game play to me is what matters to me in that order I can play a game with slighty bad game play if the story is amazing. but its best if both are really good.

[@victoriascholl4607]

I just saved up enough to buy the new Zelda Oled. I want to play the two new Fire Emblem games and Hogwarts Legacy. There are several other games I want, they're expensive. I am a light weight, but I love having a portable system that I can use when and where I want.

[@Seb_Falkor]

Most of the time someone says gaming is dying in 2023, they’re just losers sad that they’re not 14 anymore

[@kkonaklap6067]

real

[@manchovieclemmons2380]

Yeah, the industry is doing better than ever atm. Sure there is more predatory stuff, but thanks to steam and the abundance of forums, along with the modding communities, we have more options on what to play than ever. Its not like old games have disappeared, and there are plenty of good new games coming out. People for some reason think AAA games are the only ones that exist.

[@orionfell]

"its not as fun as when i got home from school and played mw2, gaming is dying"

[@azurdetyvia2966]

@@orionfell if you think that people saying that gaming is dying were only cod players, you're fucking part of the problem dude. Gaming was not Call of Duty only. I played more than hundred of games in PS2-PS3 era and it's been a great time. This generation is a joke.

[@azurdetyvia2966]

I was only 19 when I started to notice that gaming is turning into a mess. This "OK Boomer" argument is stupid and only confirms that modern gamers suffer from FOMO and are addicted to graphics