Gaming on a Windows 7 Surface Pro

[@markusTegelane]

Actually, the first Microsoft Surface was a coffee table (not a joke)

[@JanusCycle]

I do have a vague memory of Microsoft releasing some huge device that they called Surface.

[@OmegaEnvych]

@@JanusCycle I remember they hyped it for Dungeons&Dragons gaming sessions, like with RFID-equipped miniatures of player characters and monsters Dungeon Master would be able run game that would be basically "Augmented Reality". Pretty cool thing in my opinion. Too bad it never went anywhere, really.

[@computergroup1]

@@JanusCycleSurface Studio, Surface Hub. Man on comment talking about Microsoft PixelSense.

[@Veso266]

I actualy used that thing once in 2012: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIfJoYmPjratftUsi=T0vvVA_o7dlj0M3N If I remember it ran Windows 7 and main app kept crashing on it Was wondering what brand off cell phone snd camera did this expect to be able to seamlesly share photos like that

[@alleykat6273]

I feel like if they marketed the 2007 surface towards professional artists like their current studio series, that windows might have made it as a tablet os

[@spielebrocken]

Your way of commentary and explaining is so calm and still very entertaining. Absolutely love your style.

[@JanusCycle]

I'm so pleased to hear that. You really lifted my spirits, thank you.

[@WaifusOnOldNokias]

This makes me nostalgic for windows 7 XD. the aero glass themes and the smooth system sounds are just peak frutiger aero 💙

[@JanusCycle]

Windows 7 forever!

[@shiro3146]

the reason i liked Windows 11 too! windows 8 and 10 were bland in comparation

[@kenhew4641]

I have this machine and still using it. The screen is still the best and most color accurate I've seen on even the newer surface devices. And it uses Wacom technology so the pen doesn't need batteries. This was really ahead of its time when it launched

[@JanusCycle]

I didn't know about the better color accuracy. Cool, I appreciate this thing even more now.

[@GreenHamGaming]

Thank you for another fantastic upload Janus Cycle. Loved watching this one. I hope you enjoy exploring the city of Rapture. I'm yet to find a game with a world that has pulled me into it as strongly as Bioshock did. If you want to experience Rapture before everything went to crap, you should try out the "Burial at Sea" expansion DLC's for Bioshock Infinite. They take you into Rapture's Glory days and you get to experience the world before it became a sunken wreck. As for games I'd suggest for Touchscreens, I have a machine with similar specs. A Sony Vaio Tap 20, a wild Sony tablet with an X86 processor of a similar age to this one. Diablo III runs beautifully with a touch screen I find. Paper's Please is a good indie title to try on it as well. This machine would probably do particularly well with a game called "The Witness" a puzzler with a unique and gorgeous art style. It's quite forgiving on GPU's only asking for Intel HD 4000 series as the minimum. Thanks for the video and keep up the good work. I love watching your adventures with old hardware!

[@JanusCycle]

I'm very curious about seeing more of the Bioshock universe after this experience. Thanks for the Bioshock Infinite DLC tip, and those other game suggestions. It's really fun to go back and play games that I missed out on. Very pleased you are enjoying the channel. It means a lot to me to hear that, thank you.

[@skapsh]

awh shiit its GHG I remember watching the Gateway Half Life pc when it came out ages ago! Love the channel. Great to see GreenHamGaming is still going

[@uzzy3880]

Good to see you here,love your videos :)

[@kaitlyn__L]

Interesting it was a DLC for Infinite rather than 1 or 2… Infinite otherwise seemed entirely disconnected from what I recall. I would be surprised if it used many assets from Infinite. Did they still call them “elixirs” or did they port over the 1&2 gene mods? (The name of which embarrassingly escapes me right now but I DON’T want to Google it.)

[@leonidas14775]

Before downgrading, I would have tried running CTT's debloat script, use inspectre to disable spectre/meltdown protection, set the power profile to performance, and disable windows defender/automatic updates with gpedit. These seem to make a big difference with benchmarks and overall snappiness on old devices.

[@JanusCycle]

Great info there. I do want to try Windows 10 on interesting hardware. Your tips will be helpful, thanks.

[@EnglishGamer2019]

The i5 3317u was quite ahead of its time with the amount of power it could provide with such efficiency (low power). Since it is 3rd generation i5, it can natively support windows XP if you ever wanna go down that lane

[@JanusCycle]

I would love to, but XP booting on a UEFI system would be tricky. And driver support, gosh.

[@PinguimFU]

@@JanusCycle i have here a Thinkpad Helix 1 - a dstant relative of your tablet... the only os that could get it right and still be usable was kubuntu but i supose win 7 works okay for games - on mine i love to play Torchlight and Stardew Valley,with unfortunalty doenst have touch support

[@PinguimFU]

@@JanusCycleanother game from the same era i love to play is fallout new vegas,on the right resolution it also runs okay =)

[@EnglishGamer2019]

@@JanusCycle I agree. However, I do have an old laptop with the i7 3517u and it was oddly amusing to see it run XP on such a power house of a processor. Drivers were a mess but it wasn’t half bad either

[@EnglishGamer2019]

@@JanusCycle on a different topic, I’d be glad if you could help me solve a hardware problem on an old laptop of mine. It has served us for over a decade and I hope make it last another decade if I can. But the bios chip kicked the bucket a while back and now I have a dilemma to handle. Let me know if you want me to proceed with the details.

[@StyleshStorm]

Immediately liked and subscribed. Anyone giving credit and love the the 2000s era is someone I wanna watch because I've come to realize it's the 2000s I love the most. The 90s was "ok" but we didn't have much tech yet available to the standard citizen. 2000s is when things officially got interesting.

[@JanusCycle]

I'm pleased to hear you are enjoying this. I really appreciate 2000s era tech and I hope you find more to enjoy here :)

[@kazogai]

I suggest giving Windows 8.1 a chance. It has a start button and it is stable.

[@zloboslav_]

Yes, in my experience 8.1 is the quickest with the lowest ram usage and I preferred it for its gaming performance more than 7.

[@martinbernath]

@@zloboslav_ it even has dx12 support iirc, its also way better suited for a tablet than 10 or 7.

[@JanusCycle]

I do want to try Windows 8.1 one day when I find the right hardware to suit the experience I want.

[@Joe-ko2kc]

​@@JanusCycleThe surface pro 3 is relatively cheap right now. It was the last surface pro to support windows 8.1 iirc

[@real2w10]

2:06 I am 2W10. I am glad to have helped you in providing the ISOs this video! Windows 7 does work well on the Surface I will say. XP and Vista work fine as well but not as good as 7. On Wednesday I successfully installed Windows XP on the device, and will post a tutorial on how to install it very soon. I would love to see a followup video with gaming on Windows XP on the Surface Pro.

[@JanusCycle]

Great to see you here. Thanks for all your hard work. You are really helping revive this old tablet into retro magic!

[@real2w10]

@@JanusCyclehaha np

[@andusensei]

These old Surface devices are slept on. Lovely video. And hello from my aibos.

[@JanusCycle]

Thank you and hello!

[@squeeeb]

Bioshock is a real gem. Make sure you setup OpenAL Soft/DSOAL so you can enable EAX. The sound design in this game is fantastic.

[@JanusCycle]

Thanks for the tip, I am impressed by the sound in this game.

[@TheComputerGuy96]

Tablet computers are literally the only devices where Windows 8/8.1 doesn't suck. "no start button" It's on the display itself, the Windows logo is a capacitive button.

[@JanusCycle]

I'm looking forward to finding the right tablet for me for my Windows 8 experience.

[@datlaunchystark1385]

You might be able to dual boot your Surface with Win7 and 8/8.1 @@JanusCycle

[@jimmyhopkins1]

I always look forward to your videos mate great stuff .

[@JanusCycle]

I appreciate hearing that, thanks!

[@DevirothS]

what a great video to spend some sunday afternoon's time with just some older obsolete hardware and calm explanation of what it is/does/eventually will do

[@JanusCycle]

Awesome, glad you enjoyed this.

[@WalkingYoshi]

Hello This is a scene where "Janus" customizes "Windows 7 Surface Pro" for games I think it's a good idea to keep an old computer for gaming thanks for the great video 😊🙇👉🔔

[@JanusCycle]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed this video.

[@foxdavani4091]

I am so happy you abandoned the scary music on other videos. Your past videos were a little disturbing, but this lacked the disturbing music, and it was actually very enjoyable to watch. I am subscribing to your channel. You show that you care about your audience, and so I will show the same respect for you. I look forward to more wonderful text videos.

[@JanusCycle]

Thank you for watching, I'm glad you are enjoying the videos. I'm enjoying exploring different types of music. It will only be scary if it fits. For example with the 'recording video on audio cassette' video. I thought that fitted well with the music. But really it's about experimenting and seeing what works, learning and getting better, and hopefully sharing a great experience :)

[@warrenmcclure7819]

I bought my dad one of these about 8 years ago, he used it up until last year. It served him well

[@giani1649]

what a nice video. top quality. and man the nostalgia. keep up the good work! i watch every video you make

[@JanusCycle]

Glad you are enjoying these videos, thanks for letting me know.

[@Sb129]

I also used Win7 up until recently, 2021. I had used Windows 7 since 2010 and my mobile workstation did it all for me for more than 10 years of constantly being on and in use. I still use it as well, it is just too comfy to leave~

[@JanusCycle]

Yes, always good to hear about Windows 7 being used into the 2020s.

[@damian9303]

I’ve bought myself essentially the only natively supported Windows 7 tablet out there, even supports Vista out the box though it won’t support any multi-touch gestures as that’s a feature of 7. Only problem in terms of gaming, is the hardware being essentially that of a netbook.

[@williama29]

this is interesting and i like watching your videos

[@JanusCycle]

cool, thanks

[@motionoftheocean7524]

Wow the audio in this channel/video is gr8! Subbing ....and i like the pacing of the video too.👍

[@JanusCycle]

Glad you are getting into it. Thank you.

[@riccamutt]

I love your channel, great video as usual

[@JanusCycle]

Thank you, glad you're enjoying :)

[@CatYoutuberTV]

Windows 7 Forever!

[@Tech_Number_1]

My mum still using an old VAIO from 2012 (i5-3210M) with replaced SSD and battery. She uses it almost everyday and have no complaint about it, it run relatively smooth on Windows 10. I still remember playing Minecraft in 2017-2018 without no issues :) . My mum decide to keep that PC for forever. Until new apps can't run on WIndows 10 anymore I will install Tiny11 on her machine.

[@Flutterwhat]

I own a surface pro 1, it's always sitting underneath my monitort acts as wireless display for my Mac, alongside a two iPads that serve the same purposes, brining my m2 Mac mini's screen real-estate to five screens! super cool to see a new surface pro 1 video, the tablet is not featured on KZbin often tbh

[@FR4M3Sharma]

Okay Janus, show us your Gaming Channel now.

[@JanusCycle]

I'd like to make a my top ten games of all time video. May not be what you expect though.

[@FR4M3Sharma]

@@JanusCycle That and the gaming channel too. It's not a request, consider it a threat 🔫

[@electrofreak0]

Cohen's Masterpiece always gets me. The pure emotion built into it is just so overwhelming.

[@balukrol]

Seeing Machinarium is always a great, glad you enjoyed it. Ever since it came out in 2009 I’ve completed it at least once every year LOL. Hate that connect 5 nuts puzzle in the bar. Considering that you liked it you might want to try the Samorost trilogy, Botanicula and the rest of Amanita’s catalogue.

[@JanusCycle]

Interesting suggestions, thank you.

[@cyaneamusic.]

love win7. And the control panel still on win10 shows how much stable it was

[@AboolToot]

BTW, You could install Windows 7 without that custom UEFI process because Windows 7 (64 Bit) have the support for UEFI you just need to turn of Secure Boot in the UEFI/BIOS

[@awgybop1]

I think it just depends on whether the Surface Pro supports CSM or not. I have tried this on my NuVision tablet, and Windows 7 will always blue screen at the logo screen as the VGA driver does not work with UEFI machines (the reset called during the post will always result in a BSOD). It is possible to patch this driver, however, I haven't been able to get much further even with a patched VGA driver. I am tempted to see if manually applying the image like Janus did would allow me to install Windows 7 on my tablet.

[@JanusCycle]

People have been previously trying to get Windows 7 on Surface for years without success.

[@datlaunchystark1385]

No it would just lock up at the boot screen as it still requires legacy BIOS booting support to get past the boot screen, even when booted in UEFI mode. The Surface lacks that support all together.

[@real2w10]

@@datlaunchystark1385exactly correct

[@real2w10]

@@awgybop1 yup. Windows 7 requires CSM, so secure boot doesn't matter. i think it's a problem with vga.sys. The Surface Pro is UEFI-only. You can get 7 to boot from UEFI without CSM, but you have to somehow get past VGA.sys. i have already made a guide on how to install vista and 7 on UEFI-only machines, so look at that (it's not a definitive method).

[@Siktah]

Awesome end to a sunday night getting a Janus video.

[@Luke357]

Tiny11 work great on these old Surfaces. I've upgraded 2 and they run great.

[@zathlon]

Nice cathode ray mention, he's awesome!

[@JanusCycle]

He certainly tells good stories about tech.

[@ianwiese1]

My first good laptop was a Surface 3 pro. Absolutely loved it. Got it used for $200 not a powerhouse by any means but it ran good with windows 10

[@AdmV0rl0n]

There is a blossoming Linux effort going on in regard to Surface. May be worth a peek.

[@araigumakiruno]

i knew i should get the Surface Pro than the Surface 2 with the ARM CPU, it can't be used for nothing anymore beside the built-in Windows RT apps and bundled Microsoft Office apps.

[@JanusCycle]

I always wondered about those Surface RT tablets. There must be some hacks for them. Though it sounds like I might be quite disappointed if I ever got one.

[@araigumakiruno]

@@JanusCycle You will literally are! the ARM32 Nvidia Tegra CPU basically made this thing trash. though it might be possible to run arm32 Linux distros with this but i didn't bother trying because i am not familiar with Linux

[@awsgamerguy]

I found a video that showed a version of windows 10 for them@@araigumakiruno

[@xavmiz3070]

Excellent content as always, and thanks for shouting out @CathodeRayDude another of my favorite creators.

[@JanusCycle]

Yes, @CathodeRayDude is such a compelling storyteller. I really enjoy his videos.

[@WA_Stokins]

Bioshock is legit my favorite game of all time, so it's super cool seeing new people get into it and play it

[@JanusCycle]

This really is such an intriguing game. Thanks.

[@axelprino]

All I could think of is that that tablet would be ideal for playing hidden object games, except for the fact that Steam is dropping support for Windows 7 later this year. While I'm currently writing this comment from a Windows 10 laptop I'm still running Windows 7 on my main desktop, I just refused to update for the longest time but I'll have to do so soon because losing the Steam client isn't really an option when most of my games' library is tied to it, although I might just go the dual-booting route. I'd make the "but can it run Doom?" joke but it's pretty obvious that tablet could run it, maybe trying to run Doom 3 on high or Doom 2016 at all?

[@JanusCycle]

2023 and we are finally moving on from Windows 7. It's been a great run though.

[@axelprino]

​@@JanusCycle as an OS it was so stable and usable when compared to its predecessors, and successors, that many of us grew attached to it.

[@prla5400]

I really love your videos 👌🏼

[@JanusCycle]

well thank you!

[@darkvanguard925]

Nice video! Btw how are the thermals? Does it heat up fast?

[@JanusCycle]

Fan certainly spins up but doesn't seem to throttle performance. I am in southern hemisphere winter as well.

[@cpyt]

I noticed the microphone quality sounded bad

[@JanusCycle]

I've had problems, working to improve them, thanks for the feedback.

[@Hasisul12]

Try using windows 8.1 with classic shell installed, it performs the same or even better and it is fully compatible :D

[@biturboism]

I had a later (albeit identically looking) version of this as my first "product manager computer" when I got promoted. Win 8, upgraded to 10. This video triggered my PTSD from that experience 😂💀💀

[@SmokeMastaP]

With Windows 8, if you move the mouse to the bottom left corner, then the 'Start-Button' magically appears or maybe you could just press on the Windows logo on the front. (I don't know if this is a touch button, but on many later Win tablets it is.)

[@segamanxero]

Still using windows 7 here on a computer I built a decade ago. Planning on retiring it soon, as I hope to build a new PC to replace it. I am with you here on the sentiment about Windows 7. It was so cohesive and usable, none of the recent versions have came close to getting me enthusiastic about them. Windows 7 was something special. I will miss it dearly when I have moved on from it.

[@JanusCycle]

Great to hear from another 2023 Windows 7 hold out. Enjoy it while it lasts. But I also hope your new build goes well.

[@bobmcbob4399]

I still have Win7 here too. My current OS is POP OS - it handles most of my gaming needs even on nvidia with a machine similar in age i5 2500k. Linux gaming seems to be the way forward for those of us who dislike any MS OS post Win7 like me.

[@TalonPro]

On Wiin8 touch screen devices, that Windows Logo on the bottom was the start button. And im still running 7 on my main PC.

[@Hezy]

I have one of these that I bought on eBay for $1 plus $5 shipping, and I’m excited to give it some more life!

[@JanusCycle]

Great score, I hope you enjoy it.

[@Hezy]

@@JanusCycle thanks kindly!

[@goeland4585]

yeah! upload! makes me think of when I tried installing windows on my steam deck haha. Would have loved to have that keyboard then

[@kbhasi]

This video really piqued my nostalgia as I had an original Surface Pro back when I was attending college in 2014!! The only real damage mine suffered were the eraser head breaking off of the pen, the tip breaking off of the power adaptor, and the Type Cover (which the video host called the 'fuzzy cover') having a broken ribbon cable. The latter was covered under warranty, but the former and median weren't, if I recall correctly. As I couldn't afford to buy a whole new power adaptor, what I instead did was bought a low quality "Replacement AC Adaptor" off of eBay, cut the tip off of that, and grafted it onto the original power adaptor. Besides those, the shell ended up being heavily scratched, and I had to replace the AC cable on the power adaptor. Needless to say, it may not have survived college life, but I did enjoy using it throughout and outside the campus, as well as when I went on trips out of Singapore. As I was still into mobile gaming back then, I did play a number of native Windows 8 ports of mobile games, particularly the first versions of Jetpack Joyride and Cut the Rope. I especially found it fun to resize the games to ⅓rd screen width and see how the games handle that. The former had a simple looping animation, while the latter had something to say. "Om Nom wants some candy. Go full screen to play!"

[@JanusCycle]

Great to hear from an original Surface owner. These seem like very capable machines for their time.

[@kbhasi]

@@JanusCycle Yep, they were! I remember I pre-ordered mine and was probably one of the first people in Singapore to get a Surface Pro without buying a grey market import intended for the US. The sales rep at my local Challenger (where I pre-ordered mine) somehow read my mind and knew I also wanted the Type Cover too, so they reserved one for me to buy at the same time I collected my pre-order (as well as the TP-Link M5350 they included as a pre-order bonus and I used for back-up mobile data). Besides the games I previously mentioned, some of my other memories of it were also with 'Evernote Touch', Evernote's Windows 8 specific client that they had alongside their regular desktop app (since rebranded to 'Evernote Legacy' when they launched what I refer to as the Evernote 10 platform), as well as the Kindle app where I'd read e-books that were in colour or just wanted a larger screen to read on (than my original Kindle Paperwhite that I also had), and the free version of Autodesk Sketchbook which in turn might have been what indirectly led to the eraser head breaking off the pen (from me using it too much). Those were all Windows 8 full-screen apps, though I did also use some desktop apps. I remember I had around 200 notes on Evernote at the time, and now I'm fast approaching 2000 notes as my life changed in 2018 and I develop my ideas over time.

[@Lampe2020]

Could you please put up links to the Windows Vista and Win7 Internet Archive sites you mentioned in the video?

[@JanusCycle]

No worries, I've added the links in the description.

[@Lampe2020]

@@JanusCycle Thanks a lot :)

[@r34ztune11]

I also ran 7 on my main Ryzen/Radeon machine until mid last year. I only quit because of DXVK not doing a great job translating DX12 games to Vulkan. I'm on 10 Enterprise LTSC now, just like on my laptop, but I miss 7. Even on modern hardware, 7 just felt snappier than 10 and I didn't have to spend time disabling telemetry and uninstalling bloatware. It's the last great Windows OS that was made to be light and stable and it's sad to see how MS has ruined Windows since.

[@JanusCycle]

Nice, good to hear other people sticking with 7 into the 2020s :)

[@bobmcbob4399]

@@JanusCycle I still have Win7 here and use it for gaming some time, having mostly switched to POP OS which does most of my gaming on nvidia. I never want anything later than Win7 on my hw. And I disabled updates day 1 for Win7 and didn't miss anything coming down the pipe.

[@nggerg]

I still have my original Surface Pro, it is now a digital photo frame and used for Zoom calls

[@clashblaster]

I can sympathize with your Windows 7 experience. Until late 2021 I was running Windows 7 on spinning rust on a Core 2 Duo. I only upgraded out of necessity: the capacitors burst on my motherboard. Prior to that, though, it was still a very serviceable machine.

[@JanusCycle]

Wow, you used a machine until the capacitors burst. That's some serious perseverance there.

[@clashblaster]

@@JanusCycle I have to wonder whether it was age or some manufacturing defect. The mobo was manufactured around 2009-2010 so it wasn't the capacitor plague, but that's still not much more than 10 years before two identical capacitors burst at the same time. They weren't near any of the heat-producing components and I dusted the machine regularly.

[@husnainiqbal9565]

0:53 have you trued to use rufus for this? u just need to get the iso and rufus and have a usb drive

[@JanusCycle]

I did use Rufus for this special ISO. But regular Vista or 7 ISOs won't work on Surface, no matter what you do with them.

[@dosdoktor]

Did some progress with the F-07C in the meantime, to the GPU side, I got 3d games to run properly, with almost full speed, older pre-2005 games running almost perfectly. Tried to clamp a BIOS reader to the WINBOND 2MB bios chip, no avail yet, seems I run into the shield, taped it, modified the claw, but doesn't hold for the whole scan. Will try multiple dos dumping tools. Also ran Windows 7 until recently and now running it again on the LOOX phone. I also got a good idea on replacing the stock WiFi with a module, because I seem to have 3 unused internal USB ports, one coming off an SMSC, which will run the internal WiFi.

[@JanusCycle]

Well, if there is no software method to get the BIOS on this phone then hardware it is. When you get somewhere with this, I will be very keen to try out your experiments as well. Even if it means accessing the hardware directly. I hope you are really digging this neat little phone. Good luck and keep me updated. Thanks.

[@Autistic_Pixel]

I miss win8, the file/keyword internal search was point on

[@sirspamalot4014]

I used my Surface Pro 4 to play some older games on a plane trip, played the entirety of firewatch on it at about 25fps, which was enough, and occasionally I'll play Halo 3: ODST on it with my friends, I can only run it at about 800x600 or so, it looks blocky as hell but it gets a full 60FPS at that resolution and I can only just read how much ammo is in my gun. Still fun. What I'd give to play bioshock again for the first time.

[@eDoc2020]

A 1.7GHz Ivy Bridge with Turbo Boost? The laptop I'm using now is 1.4GHz Sandy Bridge without Turbo and it manages okay, just a bit slow. The Surface Pro should be at least 1.5x the speed as long as you don't run out of RAM.

[@yellowbadbeas]

The video captions don't seem to be working correctly; the entire video script shows up at once.

[@JanusCycle]

I checked on another computer and it seems to be working OK. Thanks for the info, I'll keep my eye on it. If it's still a problem please let me know.

[@abdullahtshabal9522]

Half-Life 2 (and many of its mods) should run pretty great on this

[@leonidas14775]

It could probably handle Crysis on lower settings too

[@G0RSHK0V]

​@@leonidas14775no, it can't. I have higher tier third gen mobile i5, half life 2 episode 2 is the most advanced game it can handle

[@christoffermedc]

as usual absolutely excellent music, may i ask if you're into any more abrasive music (industrial or not) not suitable for a youtube production, and feel like namedropping some bands?

[@JanusCycle]

Thank you for enjoying the music. I try and only include music that I personally enjoy in videos. It's extremely difficult finding tracks that I both like and have a licence that still allows me to monetize. Or video game music can sometimes be used without needing a licence if I'm showing off the game. Sometimes I find remixes that are not detected by the automated systems, e.g. obscure DM remixes. Technically I don't have a licence for them and could get demonetized, but so far it's been worth the risk. Sometimes people do complain, e.g. the title music in 'The Power Of Palm (Tungsten T5)' did scare some people. But honestly, I still love that opening sequence. When I find more abrasive music that I both enjoy and can licence then I won't hesitate :) I have considered using music from bands even if I can't monetize the video, just because the songs are awesome. For example the band Seabound. You need to listen to some Seabound. Seabound - Contraband kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoWsoWSOq9WAapo Seabound - Everything (EvvilKing Remix by Steril) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZatlnZmbZqYrKc

[@christoffermedc]

@@JanusCycle oh i sure love my self some futurepop!

[@christoffermedc]

@@JanusCycle contraband reminds me of my all time favorite Gridlock, especially there earliest stuff, but only slightly, thank you!

[@DaiAtlus79]

i have one of those A6 based Dell Inspiron 3180 laptops, and did a cut down install of WIn10, and i do run older games like Prince Of Persia The Two Thrones, Warhammer 40k Space Hulk, plus newer sD stuff like the new TMNT beat em up and Sonic Mania. I even got classics like Outrun 2006 Coast 2 Coast, Star Wars Episode 1 Racer, Fallout 1 & 2 (and Tactics) and some lightweight Unity boomer shooters (on low) like Prodeus and Fashion Police Squad. Mind you, this rig has an A6 with an R5 Radeon and a dual core Bulldozer cpu, but 4gb ram and an EMMC (32gb, so i added a 64gb MicroSD card).

[@brandon_nope]

As far as I know the very first Surface shipped with Windows 8 RT and could not be upgraded to later versions

[@blakegriplingph]

I remember playing BioShock 1 on an old Core2Duo desktop with an Nvidia GeForce 8400GS. It ran poorly at higher resolutions but could otherwise play well at 640x480 on high details.

[@derkeksinator17]

Oh god, yes the music got me, guess it's time to learn piano now.

[@Nekorai1989]

I use a HP 1000 G2 for all my pre-2000 rts on-the-road needs. it does its job great, even with the latest windows 10 upgrades.

[@LiveLM]

Popcap Games would be perfect for this device, specially with the touch support

[@FunnyBone]

snappy driver installer can sometimes help find drivers that are otherwise missing for older computers

[@micksterminator3]

This could def run games a little earlier than bioshock. Not bad for its age

[@bobmcbob4399]

I still have Win7 here and use it for gaming some time, having mostly switched to POP OS which does most of my gaming on nvidia. I never want anything later than Win7 on my hw. And I disabled updates day 1 for Win7 and didn't miss anything coming down the pipe. Last time I used it was 2023, but I can boot in anytime I choose. After reading comments, I see a huge lack of the "muh securitay" boys brigading into this comment section and telling everyone off for using Win7 in current day. Used to always see that, seems they are buttoning off on this activity/trolling now?

[@JanusCycle]

I used to get a lot of people telling me off for using Windows 7, until I told them I had a fully up to date patched system using free Extended Updates. Not many people realized this was possible to do completely free for three years after 2020.

[@bobmcbob4399]

@@JanusCycleI just booted into it last week and my steam configuration precautionary changes made in 2023 ahead of the Win7 Steam shutdown have been tested out and this now is in Offline mode and runs pre-installed games fine. And on security, as long as your browser is kept up to date and you are behind a firewall, run unmentionable firefox additions and make consistently good browsing decisions - updates are rarely needed. Having offsite backups and local encrypted volumes helps too.

[@kyleayy]

Great video Janus! Always wanted one of these surface pro tablets growing up. Perhaps giving a game called "Little Inferno" a shot? Should work well on it!

[@JanusCycle]

Interesting game, thanks for mentioning it.

[@RorzXrctXcam]

Rollercoaster tycoon 3 works very well with a touchscreen. I used to play it on my Intel Atom windows 8 tablet

[@saleboat]

That PC version of Angry Birds and Bad Piggies.

[@SimSimsTECHcrunch]

I'm a bit surprised that you said you couldn't find drivers for Vista. You should've used the Snappy Driver Installer in order to get your Surface Pro working properly on Vista. It would probably be fine under XP as well. I have a Thinkpad T430s with the same generation Intel CPU running fine with graphics drivers on XP. It might be worth looking into if you really want to get Vista up and running. Great video as always.

[@dazzle187]

Snappy driver installer origin is recommend these days. Snappy driver installer was handed over to another dev and has adware and is dodgy. Have to be careful with installing drivers through snappy. I ended up bricking my surface go and had to reimage using the recovery image.

[@SimSimsTECHcrunch]

@@dazzle187 Correct. I should have mentioned that he should use an older version of the utility.

[@real2w10]

(i am the author of the Vista and 7 SP1 ISOs) the problem i had with snappy driver is that there was no wifi so i cant get it to scan drivers. and yes, XP does work on the surface. I got the x64 version running on it Wednesday (x86 is impossible as the SP1 is UEFI-only and had x64 UEFI) Sadly, the graphics drivers are a bit weird on XP and Vista. If they are installed, the screen doesn't work at all even if you adjust the resolution.

[@Architector120]

To this day I use this tablet, what a wonderful thing... I don’t know why you don’t like Windows 8.1, I used it until year 2023, then I had to switch to Windows 10, a decision which I later regretted... As a suggestion for another video, try to find the Surface RT. It is the first Windows tablet running Windows 8 RT for ARM. I think it would make a cool video!..

[@JanusCycle]

Great suggestions, I would love to try a Surface RT. It's not that I don't like Windows 8/8.1, it's that I've never tried them. But this has changed recently. I've installed Windows 8 on something unusual. It's a really interesting experience and I think it would make a good video.

[@ShannonVampire5320]

I'm rather fond of old RTS games on something like that. Warcraft 3, Starcraft, Warhammer 40,000 Dawn of War

[@JanusCycle]

Nice suggestions, thanks.

[@ethanator4051]

great video, what's the song at the end?

[@JanusCycle]

A cover of 'A Photograph of You', better than the original version imho. Performed here by LeDju.

[@bup8198]

i'd like to see you try some of the classic call of duty games, maybe black ops 2 or world at war, specifically zombies i find them to run very well on devices like this

[@Lynxium_]

the surface with the exact same CPU that my own laptop that I'm using to watch this video still somehow outperforms my own laptop even though I definitely have more cooling.. huh

[@jakeparkinson8929]

Also, some of the thinkpad x130/x131 had similar hardware to the surface pro depending where you get it from. While scarce, you can replace the motherboard for around £70 to upgrade from an i3 3rd gen to an i5. They are dinky laptops that are 11 inch.

[@harveyfyffe2669]

this is so interesting

[@mattrichardson4351]

Any of the command and conquer games

[@TobiTheX]

If the default Windows UEFI bootloader gives you trouble (or you need an UEFI bootloader for older Windows versions) try playing around with Quibble, with is an OpenSource reimplementation of the Windows UEFI bootloader (it even supports booting Windows from btrfs instead of NTFS)

[@JanusCycle]

Very interesting, thank you.

[@real2w10]

quibble won't work on uefi class 3, at least not yet. i had to use EFI files from flashbootpro to get XP-7 working.

[@PashaDefragzor]

GPD Win 3 already replaced all mobile devices. Probably will buy this November or next for my projects and testing

[@BurnerAccount101-ui4et]

1:14 The only way to "Start" is to press the windows button on your tablet screen (if it works)

[@warenwakolj]

great video! but theres one small audio issue at 5:18

[@JanusCycle]

Thanks, I gotta do better with the audio.

[@First_Grafter]

Hey neet video! I'd love to hear what you moved to on your personal machine after Windows 7

[@JanusCycle]

I build a new desktop and installed Windows 11. I used the Windows 8.1 key extracted from this Surface to activate it and it worked! It was hard to move on from Windows 7, but all good things . . .

[@First_Grafter]

@@JanusCycle Interesting that you stayed on Windows, but also understandable 😅

[@leonidas14775]

@@First_Grafter Lots of good windows-only software and games. I like linux, but always keep a windows PC around for those times.

[@First_Grafter]

@@leonidas14775 Yes it definitely depends on what software you use I mostly do basic things so often there's a Linux version and if not wine or proton will cover the gaps But it indeed doesn't work for everything and everyone @JanusCycle does video editing which is a pain point on Linux but something I never touch

[@XXLuigiMario]

World of Goo would fit pretty well on it I bet

[@Jorj57]

i think Garage Bad Dream adventure would be a fun game to play on the Surface 1!

[@forrandomsites3336]

You should give windows 8.1 a try, it was(atleast on my old laptop before I switched to linux) faster than windows 7 and had better support, it was also the last os that ran very well on standard hdd.

[@NAKADZI]

I have to agree about Win8.1, especially when it comes to the *Embedded Industry* edition (+ replacement of the hideous Start menu with "StartIsBack" or "Classic Shell"; and also the "Aero Lite" theme with minimal borders) - as it is extremely optimized for older systems built on x86 processors of 2006-2010. In most cases, when I installed it (Embedded Industry edition) as a pure upgrade from Win7, it outperformed Win7 (usually in terms of system startup speed from HDD) or was on par in terms of responsiveness and overall performance. Currently, it can be used in conjunction with a modern version of Chromium called *Supermium* , which is a fork with minimal changes to be used on Windows 7/8.1/Vista. It's still in WIP state, as a respected developer under the nickname "win32ss" is currently the only one behind this project. If you are a little confused by the WIP status of "Supermium" - you can temporarily (until the project leaves the WIP state) use an optimized fork of Chromium ESR v109 called "Thorium" which is available on 𝗴𝗶𝘁𝗵𝘂𝗯 in the "thorium-win7" repository.

[@JanusCycle]

I do want to try Windows 8 one day. When I find the right machine.

[@ephektz]

Oh god, what happened to the audio? It sounds like half the bitrate of normal. I love your content, mind. Just wondering what happened. 😬

[@JanusCycle]

This is under review. I gotta do better. Been learning audio processing and trying new things. I stuffed up.

[@ephektz]

@@JanusCycleAlways keep trying. Failure breeds wisdom. The videos you make are great, and I highly enjoy them.

[@JanusCycle]

@@ephektz Thank you. I always do my best.

[@tackfarinaszeus57]

You could try SKYFORCE 2014

[@picblick]

You should try more Adventures like Deponia or Harvey's new Eyes

[@shadowman1343]

You could do some cloud gaming. Baldur's Gate 3 for example

[@Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaah]

As for PC gaming on touchscreen, you might want to check Civilization 5. It even has dedicated touchscreen mode, but I found it redundant, since it remakes control system and only works in Dx 11 mode, which isn't great for lighter hardware, so I played it on default Dx 9 on my vivobook. And it almost doesn't need any keyboard input, aside from trading, but due to how AI in this game works, you are not gonna need it, as they never give you fare deals and REJECT button works perfectly with a mouse.

[@JanusCycle]

Great recommendation, thanks. I've never really played any Civilization games. I would like to try them one day.

[@RanInt]

What song did you use for that outro?

[@JanusCycle]

Beyond The Sea (Moby And Oscar The Punk Remix)

[@RedPillRachel]

Recommended games for touchscreen, Windows 7 era - Baldur's Gate series, Icewind Dale 1 and 2, Planescape Torment, Guild Wars, Classic Fallout 1 & 2. Games that will work, but not with touchscreen, include Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas.

[@JanusCycle]

Great suggestions, thank you.

[@mrmcguru163]

Fun fact and you were talking about windows vista crashing that is called drifting it’s Caused by cheap clock circuits in the processor, with 12th gen it doesn’t seem to be a problem

[@JanusCycle]

That is fascinating. Thank you for that information!