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@-A-Hybrid-Skunk-Productions-Ай бұрын
I honestly never knew thst piston pins was off centered. Today I learned from Team Garage 54 that piston pins are off center.
@HobbyOrganistАй бұрын
Same here! I assumed it was because maybe the pistons were slightly out of perfect round and as they heat up become more round, the markings indicate front of engine, that's what I always did and never questioned the "why" but the explanation with TDC makes perfect sense and reminds me of how steam engines were said to have to be barred away from TDC or they couldn't start- I assume those pisons had no offset, so trying to start at TDC would not move the piston at all, they were usually single cylinder.
@MattyEnglandАй бұрын
Some pistons actually have a different skirt design on the thrust face compared to the non-thrust face
@benstrait333Ай бұрын
I thought if the piston was either flat top or symmetrically dished like these, it wouldn't matter. For all the crazy stunts Garage 54 does, you usually do learn something 👍👍👍
@Colorado_NativeАй бұрын
I believe it's also because the way the piston is driven down into the cylinder. Go look at the difference a little longer rod will have on how the piston travels and where the firing sequence is. The more inline it can be with the crank the more power (not a huge amount, but measurable and noticeable).
@nickmcminn2137Ай бұрын
Its to mitigate piston slap noise. Hot rodders been flipping pistons for decades
@benstrait333Ай бұрын
Garage 54, systematically exterminating Ladas one at a time, lol
@ovalwingnutАй бұрын
Yeah! What's that all about? You tell em' Ben. "Ladas Lifes Matter"
@anthonyanderson1479Ай бұрын
🤙
@garycarpenter2932Ай бұрын
ladas never die, they always come back more powerful than you can imagine..
@aaronwunderlich3070Ай бұрын
I don’t think any of these really die!
@johnmoore7902Ай бұрын
If you haven't yet, you should turbo a Lada engine and increase the boost until it blows. I noticed they are a closed deck block so I would be curious to see how much they can handle.
@player1GRАй бұрын
Isn't it obvious that we've been turboing the shit out of that engines for a long time. VAZ 21126 can easily make like 250 hp and it won't blow up immediately. But it won't last that long. My car does 190 hp with supereutheutic pistons
@gabrielv.4358Ай бұрын
YES!!
@gabrielv.4358Ай бұрын
@@player1GR If that is it I will import lada engines to put on my cars loll
@NitroGnomeАй бұрын
@@player1GR We have done over 400hp racing engines from older engines in Finland... and they last quite well...
@rastaralph7154Ай бұрын
Train tracks will do that 🤣👍💚💛❤️
@poptartmcjelly7054Ай бұрын
Now that's a Lada damage
@TempoDrift1480Ай бұрын
Fuckin A😅😅😅
@FrankGlencairnАй бұрын
It's an old hotrodder trick from famous race driver Smokey Yunick, and it usually works well. Especially a lot of Mopar guys drive flipped pistons. But what you do is flipping only the piston, not the rod. Looks like you flipped the rod, so the oil spray hole got on the wrong side - no more lubrication and cooling. To get any benefit out of it you also must adjust ignition and cam timing.
@jeremypike9153Ай бұрын
It looks like the pistons in the Lada engine have quite a bit more pin offset than is typical. It's not visually noticeable on any engine I've torn down. They mark piston tops to indicate the correct direction. I could tell from the video the pin was offset alot on those pistons.
@FuckGoogle502Ай бұрын
Do Ladas even have squirt holes in the rods? Lots of older designs I've worked on don't.
@gabrielv.4358Ай бұрын
Makes sense
@alexdro4389Ай бұрын
@@jeremypike9153 2mm
@jwalster9412Ай бұрын
@@jeremypike9153I'm guessing it's partially because it's a big-ish sized carbie engine.
@trm4lifeАй бұрын
"I gave you a working engine" 😅
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE23 күн бұрын
That needs to be a TShirt... *_"I gave you a working car!"_* (he did say car) [Lada with hood up and steam exiting] [🤷♂️ emoji of G54 owner making 😟 face]
@fastinradfordableАй бұрын
Uncle Tony will smile so big!!!
@user-vy5jw1zm1oАй бұрын
Lol I was just thinking Chrysler engines if u take the first and last piston then reverse and swap em it's supposed to make mo powa
@YoCatGamingАй бұрын
@@user-vy5jw1zm1oflip them 180° and swap them to the opposing bank. 1-2 3-4 so on.
@jasonkaiser5150Ай бұрын
You can only rotate the pistons not the rods. The rod cap has a small gap that allows oil to spray on the cylinder walls.
@FleetwoodjohnАй бұрын
Why I’m watching this 😄
@robertwest3093Ай бұрын
He’s the first person that came to mind!
@cornovii3012Ай бұрын
Out of all they ways you've tried to blow an engine up with amazing ideas trying this one i never expected or would have ever thought of WOW. I think you have out done yourself here 🤣
@outlawbillionairez9780Ай бұрын
Offset allows rod to pass TDC before combustion. In reverse, combustion tries to jackhammer it backwards.
@martin-vv9lfАй бұрын
so if they put the timing chain a few teeth out to compensate it would have worked?
@ovalwingnutАй бұрын
Thank you. I needed that. Which ironically is the same thing my date screamed at me last night
@mihailpetrovici5044Ай бұрын
Its like that so it doesn't rock that hard on the side of the block when it tries to push the rod forward
@ovalwingnutАй бұрын
@@mihailpetrovici5044 I know my GF rocks hard when I push the rod forward, if that helps?
@ricardo.m1000Ай бұрын
That's what I thought also
@demil3618Ай бұрын
The obvious continuation: Combine turned pistons with the engine you had running in reverse and you will have optimised it!
@WaccoonАй бұрын
"You rev it up and the noise goes away." Yeah. All of it! 8)
@christmassnow3465Ай бұрын
I never suspected the pistons are asymmetrical until I saw the video. More than 30 years ago, when I was unemployed, I attempted to work at a garage, first as an assistant and hopefully learn the job and make my own progress. There were too many things which I did not suspect and looked unassuming at first. Components having a barely noticeable asymmetry were often mounted flipped over,. My job was full of f***ups and I was constantly arguing with my boss. Gladly, I don't need to do that work anymore.
@OldManRooАй бұрын
This was a very interesting experiment. It destroyed the engine very quickly.I had no idea the pins are offset. Thank you!
@sannyassi73Ай бұрын
Next turn them 360, twice as far!! That'd be nuts!
@jwalster9412Ай бұрын
What about 90° next? I wanna know the engineering they would put into the lol.
@ChuckWoodАй бұрын
Bro, get this, 720....
@AZACKALАй бұрын
Na upside down 😆
@TempoDrift1480Ай бұрын
You're just a few balls shy of a bearing but that's okay.
@gabrielv.4358Ай бұрын
AHAHAH "Now its on you!" "I gave you a working car" LOL
@shaneeslickАй бұрын
G'day Garage54 & BMI, Usually I just like to make a comedy comment but today... 😲WOW! that is crazy, Seriously Thank You so much for this video including Vlad's breakdown of the Enginering Principle for the 2mm Offset as I really learned a lot. I am not a qualified mechanic but for a hobby I have been rebuiling my old Suzuki including getting the head machined, replacing the gasket & valve stem seals as it was a little smokey, so I didn't take the pistons out but now understand how important putting it is to put them back the right way if I ever do.
@Boodieman72Ай бұрын
Whoever came up with the offset was a genius.
@CarsandCats27 күн бұрын
No, an engineer.
@DUKE_of_RAMBLE23 күн бұрын
You know what this means... Time to make *_MORE_** custom pistons!* But in *this time* you'll be testing different offsets. From slightly more offset than stock, to *_as far as you can_* before the piston pin will hit the cylinder wall... 😅 Also, testing them in both orientations. _(feel free to orient 2 one way, 2 the other, to tackle both at once)_
@gabrielv.4358Ай бұрын
The videos are getting better and better! Nice explaining of the theory and explaining other things.
@TheMrDarius18 күн бұрын
You guys never cease to amaze me. Your experiments with cars are top tier.
@aceautonewportky25 күн бұрын
You guys are great and I really like the channel. I enjoy the craftiness you display, I am 63 been wrenching 43 yrs now, I've seen it all. I really like you thank you!
@JayDee-bz2ge23 күн бұрын
You also make the piston reach farther out of the bore, or closer to contact the crank... In the USA, wrist pin flip is done all the time on SBC 350, etc... BUT YOU DONT JUST FLIP THE ROD, unless your rod to crank is non directional. plus, you should degree the cam to match since TDC will be different...
@DBHHellhoundАй бұрын
Video Idea. Could you try to make your own cylinder deactivation to save fuel on the highway? By stopping the signal to the spark plugs and injectors with the flip of a switch ? Making a 4 cylinder run on 2 cylinders or a 8 cylinder run on 4 cylinders.
@robertwest3093Ай бұрын
I like this idea. But make a system that doesn’t eventually destroy the engine like some OEMs are having problems with.
@martynwatson4929Ай бұрын
The bore is usually offset to the centreline of the crank too, it would be interesting to see how far the total offset for the rod is with both added together.
@tonybernheim836525 күн бұрын
Also to consider..Piston install 180 degree backward..The valve reliefs on top of piston are not matched..Valve to piston clearance questioned...And definate yes..Piston pin offset in cylinder wall....
@fuse805210 күн бұрын
Pistons didn't have valve reliefs. Do this with an engine that does have valve reliefs. I bet it's a different story. Also , LOVE your videos! Especially since they have been voiced over in English
@nickmcminn2137Ай бұрын
Flip the pistons only not the rods
@SwapBlogRU7 күн бұрын
Given that the rods are (I'd imagine) truly symmetrical - what difference would that make?
@krisr21815 күн бұрын
the seams on the rod caps are not symmetrical
@mustangpapi76Ай бұрын
Lol... I thought you was going to bend some valve on the pistons on initial start up. Funny to see the block blew a hole in it. Love it!
@SunnnyDayАй бұрын
I did not know about the off-set, happy to say I learned something today !
@bavelnaardАй бұрын
Hahaha brilliant, I guess you created some kind of very progressive piston slap 😆
@7mgte490Ай бұрын
That was very interesting, I enjoyed the experiment video's you guys do 👍
@user-sf4ub4ep7pАй бұрын
Great show love every single one.
@antonisautos8704Ай бұрын
When pistons are marked with an arrow or dot to indicate orientation it may be because of a slight offset or for thermal expansion properties. Installing backward will result in either premature wear or potential extreme failure. You need to have very close attention to detail when rebuilding or building an engine. These experiments are pretty cool. While some of the answers to their questions are obvious, it's still fun to watch the experiment and see the real world results.
@geoffgunn9673Ай бұрын
you will find the piston pin is not centered exactly. And if you had odd expansion in a round bore, you have other major issues
@CarsandCats27 күн бұрын
WRONG! Piston pin offset is only to negate piston rocking which creates noise. THAT'S IT.
@markchapman2585Ай бұрын
Awesome channel guys
@scottmorse17983 күн бұрын
always interesting and entertaining content. well done
@SPUDHOMEАй бұрын
Great episode I really learned something today. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@jppagetoo24 күн бұрын
Uhhhh, there is a valve relief cut into each piston. All the pistons had scarring from valves hitting the top after flipping them around. You have bent valves. The #3 piston is steam cleaned from coolant leaking into the cylinder, that is where the coolant went... right out the exhaust. It is likely to have cracked head from the valves being hit so much.
@petri2852Ай бұрын
They didn't check the air gap between the connecting rods and the block casting before installing the pistons the wrong way round. It might have been necessary to remove material from there so that the connecting rods could rotate properly. But I could be wrong.
@glisa43Ай бұрын
Nice video thanks. I have an idea.... I want to see the Lada running on the thinnest motor oil like the Toyota oil on 0w-8, see how the engine is running.
@chrischarles9218Ай бұрын
I've heard this was an Old School trick to gain more torque for drag racing. Its done to prevent piston slap when the engine is cold but when flipped it give the rod a better mechanical advantage in relation to the crank.
@VauxhallViva197528 күн бұрын
I love the Lada engine. Look at the GAP between the cylinders! Short-stroke too.
@fachrul8137224 күн бұрын
OMG, its blown, you really kill that engine. 😂😂😂
@scattkiwimanАй бұрын
good idea well done !
@theAngelofhevnАй бұрын
If i remember correctly Smokey Yunik did this in nascar as it has a big influence in piston speed when the piston accelerates up, down and how fast it moves in different locations in the bore. . Having it reversed you give the engine more time to suck in mixture but skirt wear will be much more. Comparing the two ways with a degree wheel, you clearly see the difference where the crank is located on both engines have if you set both engines to have the piston down say 20mm.
@MikeAnderson-uj3ooАй бұрын
You couldn't of asked for better results. Very good lads.
@VHP704429 күн бұрын
Profile pistons have a thrust and anti thrust side making them directional. This cuts piston slap and minimizes oil consumption.
@kennethcohagen3539Ай бұрын
A trick in the US on B and RB Mopar engines is to turn the pistons around and run them backwards.it can cause piston slap when the engine is cold, but once it warms it increases horsepower. I don’t remember by how much, but it’s free Horsepower and will work when not using domed pistons.
@JayDee-bz2ge23 күн бұрын
you have to do it at the wrist pin because the rod edges should have a radius tearing into the crank
@Knaeckebrotsaege5 күн бұрын
12:20 now they're disconnecting rods 😆
@mikehutchinson9318Ай бұрын
Offset on lower bearing will wear from crank/bore center
@josephfbuckАй бұрын
I'm sorry but if the pin is offset that's the point where the force is being directed from the thrust of the motor that should probably be the rotational side to give added torque and the rotational thrust being correct cuz that's why that detonation of thrust is going to be an uneven back thrust if it starts I can't imagine it idling
@miatzchen12 күн бұрын
9:42 absolute comical moment HAHAHAHhaa DAMN
@robertwest3093Ай бұрын
Those little Lada engines have some pretty stout connecting rods 👀
@patrickbrady447Ай бұрын
This was an interesting experiment, but I think you should do it again with an engine that is in near new condition. I believe that the engine failure was not caused by the pistons being fitted backwards alone but because it was a very worn engine from the start. Racing teams in the USA used to do this trick to gain power and it did give an extra 7 to 20 HP when done on a V8. I would say if you got an engine, rebore it, grind the crankshaft, new pistons, bearings oil pump etc. Check the there is enough clearance between the valves and pistons (that may have been a problem here} If you do all that I think you will have no problem except a little of extra wear on one side of the piston. I believe if you were to do that your engine would run fine for a long time and gain a little of power along the way.
@forestlawrencegrading9154Ай бұрын
The whole reason it's made that way is to make it quieter a lot of guys say you get a little more low and Power by flipping them backwards I think it's different on a V8 engine in America they do this all the time mostly mostly the Chrysler guys
@geoffgunn9673Ай бұрын
you get more power but the trade off is the piston is driven down off perpendicular and you get a bit of piston slap down low. Helped keep up a vacuum when running cams that where too big
@zijie-heАй бұрын
I never knew the pins were offset. But the surfaces look like 🙂, you may not want to make them 🙃.
@baby-sharkgto4902Ай бұрын
UTG baby!
@jeffryblackmon4846Ай бұрын
Thank you for another interesting video. Спасибо за еще одно интересное видео. Каждый из них Познавательный опыт и развлечение. Это всегда приятно.
@rhare7353Ай бұрын
The piston will crack. If I was was building an opposite rotating engine (marine application ) flywheel aft a standard rotating engine would turn a left hand propeller an opposite rotating engine would turn a right hand propeller. I learned this 50 years ago it was clearly called out in assembly manuals from chris craft , chrysler marine , gray marine and others failure to do this will cause piston failure and damage to the block. The pistons must be installed on the rods with the notch facing the rear for opposite rotating engines
@PavelKuliffaypalikuliАй бұрын
Hi, you can make 360° rotatable piston on the conrod - to reduce the wear
@mugeldavid460726 күн бұрын
maybe I´m wrong but at 12:57 it looks like a valve hit the piston because flipping the pistons 180° means no valve pockets at the right place. Engines run really bad when the valves are hitting the pistons. Do the rods have oil squirters to oil the cylinder wall that takes the higher load? If they are directed wrong wear goes up. And giving a car to a young man to "give it the beans" often doesn`t end well.
@geoffgunn9673Ай бұрын
this was one of the tricks when playing with holden red motors back in the day. Made a little more horsepower for the sake of a little noise, but hard to hear over solid lifters
@sethvandyke4453Ай бұрын
never thought I would see the day a Lada connecting rod broke just wow. I have also never seen an offset piston before.
@throttlebottle5906Ай бұрын
it will end up with piston slap/knocking and wear out faster, could even shatter piston chunks off if severe enough loading with spark knock
@daliborzak2485Ай бұрын
It's not a hole in a block. It's an inspection port. We with BMWs perfectly know this.
@tomwhite903416 күн бұрын
Piston to valve clearance has changed too so I wouldn't be surprised if it was slightly hitting
@buckaroobonsi555Ай бұрын
I do not know anything about this engine in particular. That said a lot of engines also have a crankshaft that is slightly offset to one side. The pins location can also play a role in that. In fact some connecting rods have a bend in them on purpose today as well again to allow more crankshaft offset!
@seanreber9064Ай бұрын
I learned alot from this one
@jasonkaiser5150Ай бұрын
The rod has a little gap on on side. This allows oil to spray in to the cylinders walls and camshaft. You can only rotate the pistons not the rod.
@firestuntАй бұрын
Conclusion: Put the pistons in correctly. I never would have thought it would self destruct so quickly or badly.
@TwinShardsАй бұрын
The perfect answer to this question is "it depend on the enginering design".
@ReziacАй бұрын
Wow, that's really useful to know. Poor Lada!
@steelearmstrong9616Ай бұрын
1:08 lol haha good one
@acesretroonlineАй бұрын
Have you done much with putting cars on railways? What if cars and trucks could run on tramways or regular railways? Instant 90% fuel saving or whatever it is.
@buffdelcampoАй бұрын
They messed up the test by changing two things at the same time. I think they lost the oil spray on the cylinder wall by flipping the rod over when they flipped the piston. When flipping pistons on an inline engine, the pistons must be flipped on the connecting rod so the oil spray continues properly. With no oil on the cylinder, I'm surprised it went 500 km.
@automotivemischief.1978jamieАй бұрын
Well that got me all turned around lol it put up a good fight for a little while. Idea : Should try making your own tire's from all different rubber compounds.
@jack8356Ай бұрын
Learned something new.
@steveashcraft71812 күн бұрын
Depends on the engine. I've seen pistons installed backwards in a ford 6cl. The result was 6 cracked pistons.
@Lazyman1975Ай бұрын
Ive had an idea for many years. Opposing force with electromagnets. In stead of the coil firing a spark plug why not an electromagnet with a magnet embedded in the top of the cylinder so when firing it pushes away. Same engine just no plugs no gas just a quick electromagnetic burst. Ive thought long and hard but not there yet. I know perpetual motion doesn't exist but this isnt perpetual as it is using power.
@davidgwin4540Ай бұрын
Iv been curious about this for years. Lets take a look 👍
@Homme_PurАй бұрын
I expected this to turn badly but I didn't expect it to be THAT bad
@dobraydien7242Ай бұрын
Fun way to make a boat anchor!
@mrPauljacob27 күн бұрын
I like the part where you explained why the pin is offset. It's all physics.
@TheCarCrazyGuyАй бұрын
Thank God these guys are thousands of miles away from my vehicles.
@rcautoparts1Ай бұрын
i have a challenge for you guys. How bout making a lada engine into a flat 4 ?
@ogwubba6 сағат бұрын
"what the fuck" right out the gate, not a sign of good results I take it XD
@me3333Ай бұрын
Of course you ripped the mounts out of the block, they were trying to hold back a Lada power...
@itsjustdead_dcg6175Ай бұрын
‘7 minutes ago” my best record so far
@shawnstillman736Ай бұрын
By rotating the pistons you moved the path of travel over slightly. It's just enough to destroy an engine.
@krzysztofczarnecki82385 күн бұрын
Just as I was wondering why pistons don't lean to the side and rub against the cylinder during normal operation. I didn't know they have an off-center pin.
@AnalogDude_Ай бұрын
Garage 54, should try and cast their own engine, with the parts they have laying around. a V2, V4 or so. a air cooled V2 with 1/2 liter pistons using the lada flywheel and mating area for gearbox, so it can be used. Nice, the know that the rod pin was offset by bit.
@rfiskillingussoftly6568Ай бұрын
My dad is a television repairman, he has an awesome set of tools.....we can fix it man! 😁💨🤙
@noelpeterson55917 күн бұрын
In Australia, we call it a piston gudgeon pin.
@mikesbarn1858Ай бұрын
It’s designed to help reduce egging out the cylinders over time.
@carbineZDH1Ай бұрын
9:47 That laugh we all have done.
@dillinpicklesworth56986 күн бұрын
It'll either increase or decrease piston to deck height.
@genejones7902Ай бұрын
When I was a kid, I put the piston in my 2-stroke dirt bike backwards when assembling the engine. It didn't start until I put the piston in the correct orientation. 😊
@parodiipepaine667Ай бұрын
Lol because you had holes in the piston that didn t aling
@PhilMcCracken01Ай бұрын
On Beetles the arrow points to the flywheel and I have seen many in the wrong way and they make a right racket.
@chadburkle1461Ай бұрын
See if you can, JB Weld it back together again if it will work
@user-hd8iq6dp9mАй бұрын
They used to do this on old slant 6 Chrysler engines or the old ford 300 engines I cannot remember off the top of my head but it was either for compression or something