GARBAGE PROGRAMMING JOBS | Jr. Developers - 1st Edition

[@jodan0517]

Entry Level Programmer Requirements: BS in CS, must be 18 years old, 20 years experience with coding.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Welcome to programming

[@kubamiszczz]

doable with overtime;]]

[@MrCmon113]

Internship as dishwasher Requirements: A doctorate in computer science, conquest of at least three cities in recent wars, thirty years of experience in karate.

[@yiboliang8338]

I had 7 years of coding in C, 7 Years in Python and 7 years in C#, together 21years coding when I was 22 graduated with BS. Sounds enough.

[@travisk7641]

Salary 35,000 and must be able to work weekends sometimes*

[@singularity1130]

Apple Swift: *Released 2 months ago* HR: "5 YeArS wOrKiNg wItH sWifT (ReQuRiEd)"

[@adarika55]

Which indicates that they don't pay their HR people well too))

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Exactly

[@vincelam1998]

LOL

[@safesploit]

Seen something similar for an Ethereum developer role... I imagine the question asked then is 'but why aren't we getting legitimate applicants?'

[@togwam]

Singularity have you seen my time machine anywhere?

[@BangMaster96]

Wanted Software Developer (Entry Level) - Must have 5 years of industry experience - Must be proficient in C++, Python, Java, PHP, MySQL, AWS, JavaScript, Node, Node.Js, React, Ruby, Ruby on Rails, Bootstrap, CSS, Angular, C#, Pearl, MongoDB, Express.JS, Swift, and all other languages that exist in the known universe - Must be extroverted, but able to work alone - Must be team oriented but can work remotely from home - Must have Bachelors, Masters, and PHD in Computer Science, Engineering, and all other STEM fields - Must be smarter than Albert Einstein - Salary: $30k a year

[@xenonsan3110]

You forgot ionic and flutter

[@YosepRA]

Don't forget Assembly.

[@sty1eb3nder47]

hahahahahaja, you made my day brother 😂

[@matejpesl1]

I suppose you wanted to say that 30k/year is not very much. What is enough, then? Just askin', cause where I live, average salary is somewhere around 16k dollars/year and 20k/year is considered very good.

[@tomasmensik3051]

@@matejpesl1 70k/year in US.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

*EDIT - more cringe | kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnjWqap7nbaojauBore

[@awscr6202]

si porfavor

[@1ycx]

Yeap

[@1ycx]

Highly Appreciated

[@sylviacastro2282]

Yes!!

[@faraz007]

Yes sir

[@liberator48]

Job title: Toilet Cleaner for McDonalds Experience: 20-25 years as CEO of google

[@mattschafer3057]

Pays: (min wage - $1) / hr

[@LordProteus]

Having to look through the shit people upload is pretty much akin to cleaning out the sewers.

[@Andromediens]

lmaooo

[@joelmatondang7037]

Hey, it's called a Hygiene specialist ok?

[@uncommonman6210]

i'm dead....lol

[@thisCLUMSYgirl]

The "Required Experience" always scares me away from applying to any job.

[@KevinSmith-qi5yn]

I usually apply to them anyway. But now they might be filtered out. The thing that scares me is having a bad interview. I did that a couple times where on the spot I couldn't remember basic things.

[@nexees8032]

Kevin Smith I feel you. By yourself you know what you’re doing and exactly how to do it, but then when someone tells you to explain it to them, that pressure can make it hard to think clearly when a job is on the line 😅

[@whatsupbudbud]

The trick is to not care whether you get the job. You see, people being nervous make others nervous. It's just how it is. For that reason cool kids rarely mingle with non-cool kids. Trust me, I've been both. So when you come in with an a positive and excited attitude, being a bit chill/reserved but still professional - it turns the HR people on (mostly chicks that act on emotions). Obviously, you need proper skills as well but attitude goes a long way do get a foothold.

[@Kanal7Indonesia]

Look for fresh grads jobs bro

[@rachelhoward6109]

@thisCLUMSYgirl I don't remember the specifics of this statistic, or know the accuracy, but I was once told that there is a significant gender divide when it comes to apply for a job with a list of requirements. Men tend to apply when they meet only a few of the requirements, and women tend to apply only if they meet nearly all of them. Again I don't know the accuracy but it has changed how I view job requirements.

[@ElBlocko]

I always got the feeling that "Junior" in a job title requiring 3 years of experience is just code for "we want a mid-level candidate who will accept a junior's salary".

[@TheBelrick]

My pet hate about Developer jobs. Must have experience in xyz and abc frameworks. There are dozens of frameworks, there are literally thousands of combinations. WTF are developers meant to be doing with their time? learning every frame work which can take years to be proficient in? Myself, i simply ignore the existence of frameworks and focus on knowing the language instead.

[@mtutoriales]

Bel Rick C++ student here, what is a framework? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I mean fr, c++ is my first contact with programming, I’ve had 2 classes so far.

[@TheBelrick]

@@mtutoriales frameworks are really for 2 things. Taking code that has used a lot and simplifying it to a single function and stored in a "framework". Most popular example of this IMHO is javascripts jquery the other main use is to FORCE users into certain coding design philosophy such as MVC . PHP Symfony is a major example of this. Folder structures, file naming conventions etc as well as the common simplified functions as mentioned above

[@diswardexia6105]

exactly. Was spent about 6 month with shitty sallary...

[@m3taldragon1]

@@mtutoriales A framework is just a C++ library... put it that way.

[@KingFluffs]

Grocery stacker: 15 years experience in programming required, must be fluent in French, Egyptian and the occult arts. A flying carpet is required for work travel.

[@panlis6243]

Don't forget about the valid pilot licence smh

[@jakegarrett8109]

Der Fuchs pilots listened not required for anything flying carpet under 1230 pounds in the US as long as it can’t carry passengers. Meanwhile it’s illegal for me to fly a 1 oz toy in my backyard because I’m within 6 miles of “restricted airspace”, and even normal airports within 5 miles require you to call air traffic control to fly 5 feet off the ground with a toy from Walmart! Kids are F’ing doomed! F!!! If I wasn’t allowed to experiment with model airplanes as a kid, I would never have gotten my aerospace engineering degree! The next generation of designs will be $hit (you can’t practice on your own time, hope you get the advanced design right in your first shot...) and pilots will be random crappy fliers that don’t give a crap about airplanes, it’s just better than being a janitor... the US is doomed to the tyrant it is, “life, -liberty and pursuit of happiness-“ cross out the last 2 because I can fly a 1000 pound manned aircraft here without training but oh no a 1 oz toy is a Felony! Welp, you better duck from a flying death trap because I couldn’t practice on the small scale, that sounds logical... and safe... (Sorry for the rant, but the only thing I’m allowed to do is complain, at least until they take that away too...) if I have kids and they commit suicide, I won’t blame them... it’s very sad

[@panlis6243]

@@jakegarrett8109 weird flex but ok

[@dustypixelsUE5]

This is the problem, I have the flying carpet! Just not 15 years of experience... trade ya?

[@squeakersthegryphon5338]

Needs to be omnipotent God.

[@RR-gw2uj]

I actually saw this one in the wild: Entry Level, Junior Software Engineer - -Must be fluent in HTML, CSS, JavaScript, React, Angular, Node, and WebGL. -Must be advanced in Java, Python, Ruby, C++, and VisualBasic. -Must be an expert in SQL and all relational databases. -Must be an expert Linux and Windows system administrator. -Must be able to transfer knowledge to all mobile platforms. -Must be able to conduct financial and software budget research. -Must be able to create and facilitate company's entire marketing campaign. -Must be willing to schedule all executive staff's schedules. -Must be able to generate and document all cash reports. -Must be able to work all shifts. What I understood is this: they want an unsuspecting new grad to be their software developer, their front end developer, their backend developer, their mobile developer, their marketer, their accountant, their executive assistant, and their research/data scientist all for the lowly pay of one person. Gotta love America!

[@matamorosa]

R R Jesus, these people need a wake up call

[@bennydavid623]

That's a whole department!!!😂😂

[@neofilomata3254]

WTF is this, that´s easely the work of about 10 people right there

[@cptnoremac]

Gotta love America because we can all tell that company to piss off and laugh at them on the internet and go apply for a good job.

[@krash2002]

Frick! Even developers in India wouldn't apply for such a position.

[@PavanSun]

Finally someone calling out these HR teams man. Such a joke.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Stingy CEOs

[@PavanSun]

Joshua Fluke true

[@the_letter_b]

Yeah, not the HR team. The CEOs want to get rich fast and want mid level programmers at low salaries ("Junior") or super-star senior level that they expect will bring in much more money through their work than they end up paying them (even $120k/yr isn't much if their work is bringing in multitudes more).

[@fuzzypumpkin7743]

Ya know, the HR team doesn't work in dev, they work in HR. They do not know what skills are appropriate. They are only as good as the info they are given. In a good company, they'll foster dialog between the department hiring and the HR rep posting job listings.

[@IoNoobMaster]

I worked for a US employer once, the guy asked HR to hire a unicorn, they didn't find any guy with all the required skills, and he was really pissed that they couldn't find someone like that. HR even asked as techies if we knew anyone with those skills, we practically started laughing.

[@EclipseMints08]

This isn't just a tech job dilemma. This is also in non-tech jobs. Companies just want the moon.

[@bleung2274]

Some of the most hilarious "entry level" jobs I've seen require 10 years of "hands on field experience" with "professional management exposure". Some of them get even more hilarious when they add in qualifications like demanding multiple degrees, or multiple certificates (that require years of work experience), or require having led teams. Then there are the jobs that literally are put up for diversity hire purposes and everyone "in the know" knows that the company isn't actually hiring.

[@CariagaXIII]

@@bleung2274 they deserve to have cancer

[@milanstevic8424]

@@CariagaXIII oh they do have it already. everyone and their dog seems to be steadily progressing up from alcohol to chemo or from cocaine to corticos, each in their own respective category. that's just completely normal nowadays.

[@marcus.the.3rd]

@@bleung2274 it's happening a lot for Actuarial Analyst EL positions. Some of them are requiring an ASA, which the average minimum years to getting there is about 5 years.

[@robertstan298]

And they should get the finger.

[@strofikornego9408]

Job title: Java developer Requirement: 5 years of JavaScript development

[@pokerface550]

or vice versa :)

[@alexh7849]

that hurts my soul

[@erenkaslte8046]

Trolling at best..

[@suspiciousbird487]

My real life job, the job I am still working for, hired me as a junior Java developer. First day in and they tell me to fix issues that they had in this one design suite they made... And it was written in JavaScript. Pass over a few months, and I fixed a driver (C#) and am now writing a new product (ASP.NET). I have yet to even touch Java other than installing it on my VM

[@Entropy67]

@@suspiciousbird487 Does it pay well though?

[@karlobringino8241]

Job postings: Jr software developer (For fresh Grads) Requirements: Expert level on every PL on earth 1-3yrs experience on every platform Able to conduct automated/manual tests Knowledge of pentesting is a plus ..... ... Salary: $100 Benefits: Free Saltine Crackers Fresh Grad:.....

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Free stress

[@jigsaw5976]

Pentesting 😂😂

[@JoeYork202]

@Emmerich August where would you recommend?

[@drayggenndraygenn7005]

Bachelor's in IT graduate right here im going through this same shit right now

[@JarinXeno]

@@drayggenndraygenn7005 Been in IT for a long time and I generally tell people not to worry about the requirements if you think you can actually do the job, just go ahead and apply. The requirement list is more or less just a Christmas list that they would like to have but don't necessarily need. It's like a woman writing her dating profile. They all say they wont settle for less than a Christian Grey but in reality they would be happy with any guy who isn't a meth addict.

[@Ivan-td7kb]

I don't understand how a junior developer position requires 2-4 years of experience. If anything, it attracts liars and pretenders.

[@833tr00t]

This is actually something I think most people think but don't say... good observation.

[@cautarepvp2079]

if junior position requires 2 years experience then being intermediate is what? 4 years? Wtf...

[@JuanDavid-fj3tg]

I never knew anyone that got it first programming Job (including myself) without lying like hell..... I'm not proud about it but I must admit it ..... learning how to lie and sell yourself seems to be the most important part of getting a programming Job at least in my experience.

[@Knut92]

Exactly, it fits the Corporate Motivation

[@the_letter_b]

90% of the Junior positions are really aimed at mid-level but at a lower salary. This way they can justify the less the median market salary, they just have to find a mid-level developer who has had some bad luck and is desperate. I think the only way in now is via an internship, a rare entry-level contract, or meeting the right person at some meetup event.

[@igotthegoodstuff2692]

Honestly I can't blame anyone nowadays who lies on their resume to get a job.

[@okflyaway99]

@Gray Au They just want to depress the working market's wage so they can have a bigger profit cashout.

[@dffkll3058]

They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work.

[@trickstercoyote1709]

I think I will do that then. will be only way . the way of coyote.

[@zwartesoep2010]

@Gray Au You just gonna act like >75% of your shit nowadays isn't from foreign countries, when before it used to be a shit ton more common to made on US soil.

[@BigUriel]

@Gray Au It's not an american thing, business are doing this everywhere. It's a chicken and egg thing. The people hiring look at the typical skill set and education of applicants, and ask for just a little bit more expecting that they'll only get the good ones. The people looking for work realize all the people hiring are asking for unrealistic level of skill and experience and they need a job (and what's the worst that could happen when you're already unemployed?), so they "embelish" their resumes. The next time around the people hiring see the "embelished" resumes and assume that's the new industry standard, so they ask for a little bit more still, and on and on this job market game goes where everyone is bullshiting everyone in one way or another.

[@coolmanjack1995]

Good lord requiring all that photoshop and illustrator experience from a developer. I didn't go into CS to do art, get an artist for that, I'll put the framework in

[@effexon]

yeah, for me this tells tha subliminally they really want artist (coz many people not that much into tech can understand that better, since usually something visible output), and code is some necessary evil also needed. have experience by marketing and non-tech customers, both from school courses and after, customers are (cliche joke) more interested in color of web form button than actual functionality and usability(gamer term mechanics), since that is what they see. even now after 5+ years of various experience, I'm amazed what there is to learn behind simple button press (in frameworks, in UI design, in how much calculations and ui framework design is needed for it to *just work* like I as a human think it should for me to use it smoothly).

[@TanInVan]

yeah i saw that and im like wtf

[@dBlackRoseb]

I literally have the same problem but vice versa. Im a graphic designer and animator and they want me to be an artist AND also be a programming wiz AND also edit videos. Im like wtf am I supposed to do?

[@RobertKaucher]

I am a dev and also an artist and I have to say that there would be nothing more frustrating than someone trying to force me to do both professionally. Quite literally it would force me to do poorly at both. It's not that a software engineer cannot also use PS or Illustrator, it's that you can't force someone to fill two roles at once and do a good job at both. At work, sometimes I get to do something "creative" and I love it. But I am a part of a team where other people can pick up the technical slack. I see things like this and I just roll my eyes.

[@frostreaper1607]

Another artist here: its complete lunacy. These companies need to learn that most artist are not programmers and most artist are not programmers. The few that can do both are going to be people that are raking in the dough by freelancing, they would literally be mad to go work for a pittance in a company.

[@MsNinian1]

Absolutely do more of calling out these BS job postings.

[@iamstruck]

i remember when Swift had just released and companies were looking for people with 2-4 years of Swift experience.. good times

[@SpricesExist]

Lmao You better believe devs were putting 3 years experience in their resume too

[@picklerix6162]

Same thing with UEFI BIOS. I saw job postings that required a minimum of 5 years UEFI BIOS development when UEFI was less than two years old.

[@liamvosefski2795]

@@picklerix6162 i have no background in software dev but what is the cause of this problem? Is it simply HR also not having any knowledge of software development but just a list of common software dev tools so they make a posting asking for years of experience on all of them?

[@mypackmypower1996]

@@liamvosefski2795 lol HR dont have any knowledge on software's they hardly know how to fix simple computer bugs i have met so many HR and none was able to do simple things and i was like how yo get hired and mainly why you are interviewing me when you don't even know what you are asking.

[@SabreXT]

I've seen jobs like this for game development. Demanding 3 years of AAA experience, but no AAA company will hire them unless they have 3 years of AAA. Even mod teams, volunteers making things for fun, will post ridiculous requirements and then complain about the lack of people will to work on their free mod.

[@gorkyd7912]

Honest, ethical employees need not apply, we only hire people who lie about their past work experience.

[@IncognitoSprax]

Gorky D Basically. Lie lie lie.

[@milanstevic8424]

@@gorkyd7912 then we lay them off in swathes to get another batch of fresh foo.. erm interns for the same money or less in turn, those laid off become even less honest about their prior experiences it's like my aunt told me ages ago: welcome to the world of adults frankly, I'm in my 40s now, and it's even better than that and when I say better I'm sarcastic af

[@gorkyd7912]

@@milanstevic8424 Yep. The companies that do this kind of stuff offer no real value to customers, they're just trying to coast by on some bygone good reputation they gathered up decades ago. They sell the cheapest possible repackaged product usually bought from a foreign country where labor is inexpensive, throw their brand on it and sell it for some outrageous 5000% markup while minimizing expenses and impressing investors with that amazing 3% profit every year. All the good engineers, inventors, and idea guys that built the company are long gone and the remaining leadership just wants to make a few short-term increases in stock price before catching that golden parachute and moving on to the next dying company.

[@ThomasChen-ur2gt]

@@gorkyd7912 apple?

[@JohnDoe-zc4mu]

Intern: *exists* Basically every company: So you have 18y exp on streaming processing? CEO: build a neural network with this potato

[@WillTalbot]

yes

[@t74devkw]

Intern: exists Internship requirements: *yes*

[@MrMkSm]

😂😂 Well described sir

[@tbg6070]

When this shit is so real even the joke triggers a flashback smh

[@crysstoll1191]

😀😃😄

[@Academician100]

Full disclosure, for my first job, I counted my *academic* experience as 'years experience'

[@davr9724]

Do what you gotta do

[@SpricesExist]

Imma do that very soon for my first webdev job! Half done with my portfolio

[@leifleoden5464]

Well done, that's what you should do.

[@salemend6891]

How did you word that??

[@Academician100]

@@salemend6891 Honestly, we did team projects every year and I listed them and my duties as part of them in as much detail as I could to fill it out, it got my CV in front of them, that's all I needed

[@oldaccount9190]

garbage job: 1-3 year required experience multiple degrees minimal wage

[@DamianNAudio]

Welcome to Poland 🤣 100% offers are like that here

[@DamianNAudio]

Nie wiem, ja pracuję zdalnie z podkieleckiej wsi i łatwo wyciągam 5-cio cyfrowe liczby na rękę (5 lat doświadczenia, Javascript, Umowa o Dzieło). Polecam obejrzeć nofluffjobs.com żeby się rozeznać na rynku

[@Kreesty]

@@DamianNAudio In Romania it's the same.

[@qqqqqq101]

Even the salary in the philippines are shit, I have a bachelors degree but my salary is the same as the security guard or the utility worker at work!! Why the fuck did I even study 4 years in college, I should had just stop at HS and started working at a factory or something, all jobs are like that in Philippines.

[@DamianNAudio]

@@frightone Książka "Clean code" to taka Biblia programisty, ale to nie dla "bardzo" początkujących. A wybór technologii zostawiam Tobie, zależy czy chcesz programować backend czy frontend, rozejrzyj się za trendami, frameworkami itd. Poza tym pamiętaj że kodzenie to jedna z X umiejętności które musisz mieć (angielski, git, testy jednostkowe itd, poczytaj ogłoszenia pracy)

[@chorko696]

Sadly, this circle of "gain experience for entering a company for gaining experience" is pretty rampant in my country, where people are exploited in the name of 'internships'.

[@aryanshmahato]

India.. country with worst rules

[@aryanshmahato]

@Alessio di giacomo india

[@EhrarH_]

Same here in Pakistan

[@aryanshmahato]

@@ericcartmann We are really sorry if you face any problem because of our country's people.. But please STFU about talking about our country's situation and tell that engineers are not skilled enough.. If you don't know about something don't speak about it too.. You're not from India. You don't know what's happening here, How there are literally no employment rules in our country.. I agree many of us are spammers are cheaters.. but that doesn't mean everyone of us are same.. I am so mad of reading this.. You're behaving like an expert employer and knows everything about every country.. do your research first.. atleast have a look at average salary of Indian software engineers in India..

[@chorko696]

You can buzz off to 4chan to get validation for your racial taunts lol

[@alissonreinaldosilva1119]

I love the fact that StackOverflow just introduced "reactions" to job posts, and one of the reactions is "Unicorn". I've seen some xD

[@praecorloth]

In 2014, saw a job posting that required 5 years of experience with Windows Server 2012 R2. I like to imagine that they didn't fill that role until 2017. :)

[@Quonchon]

Wack

[@ShazySoft]

Title: Junior Web Developer Compensation: $35k Interview Question: "Create a neural network in machine code"

[@JS-wp4gs]

Thats when you say fuck you and create skynet

[@jhonshephard921]

@@JS-wp4gs I sympathized a lot with the guy in the intro for Child's Play 2019. He basically did that.

[@azathoth1462]

@@JS-wp4gs if (interview == gay) { cout

[@jasonreviews]

@@azathoth1462 makeMoney(); // that's all companies really want solve problems who cares...

[@strongmngomezulu2136]

@@azathoth1462 😂😂😂😂

[@N0rmandy]

Interviewer: so why do you want to work here? Me: well I'm looking for a place to start my career in the field now that I'm finishing my qualification. and this organization has a good reputation for beginners in the field. Interviewer: I see but we are looking for someone with more experience you see. Me: isn't this job entry level? That's what it said on the job listing. A real conversation I had...

[@robertchapman625]

Or my last one "What would you do to fix the internet? (was IT Support Desk) Me: Ask them if they have their wireless is on, then check if it's a problem in IP address (by ping or using it as a search) or see if its a problem with the DSN/DHCP Then: Anything else? Me: Drawing a blank, but also thinking "you saw the certificate was only a few months length at worst in time consumed, right?" Now I could have done better (though surprise interview I feel are somewhat unfair, especially with a candidate you read lacking direct experience), but still felt a little bit 'we do not want to train someone outside of company policy.'

[@whatsupbudbud]

@@robertchapman625 I worked in IT support for >6 years and, honestly, stay away from it like the plague. It gets boring real fast and you're basically a glorified call center employee no matter the level (except level 3 support which is basically coders and sysadmins). I'd recommend anyone considering IT to go straight to web development. I did it via the IT sup route, completely self-taught, so it's possible.

[@iLAMV]

This video is really eye opening. These videos are desperately needed, especially in an age of capitalism. You are helping more people than you know.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Oh i appreciate that

[@MartinBarker]

oh please, it has nothing to do with capitalism, I have seen "non profits", "not for profits", "charities" all do this.

[@milanstevic8424]

@@MartinBarker that's also capitalism. learn your thing.

[@DinarAndFriends]

>>an age of capitalism Try North Korea or Belarus if you feel you would make more money there.

[@milanstevic8424]

@@DinarAndFriends that actually exacerbates what he said. the age of capitalism is global, and the situation in North Korea or Belarus is like this because of it, not in spite of it. everything is connected to a world market, and labor exploitation has become an international thing, directly because this is how post-globalized neocapitalism works. it seeks to lower the costs for the biggest consumer markets, like water seeks its way through the soil. it has no soul or ethical limits. it grinds whatever that isn't directly or indirectly in the way of the profit margin. we've literally come to a halt as a civilization, until we find out how to remove borders and all kinds of economic confinements, because this is what is artificially preventing the "vessels from communicating", to borrow another water analogy. does anybody really believe that an average person in Belarus is worth less than an average American? and what about Belarus Americans? we all have the same organs and the same cells, we even share the same DNA, this is all just a convoluted form of geopolitical slavery.

[@hobbes2555]

HR posted a job at work. Wanted 8 years experience in c# and they were offering 60k. Ha ha ha. Even the Sr. Engineers were rolling their eyes.

[@iammaxhailme]

I'm a chemist, not a programmer, but I regularly get rejected for entry level/junior lab tech positions for not having enough experience (I have a masters in chemistry and 6 months of nonacademic labwork experience)

[@bryanfeliciano4102]

Yeah man it's bullshit

[@leifleoden5464]

I know a guy who owns a chain of fried chicken restaurants in the South West who is looking for people with your skill set. 7 figures a year, cash.

[@AmirKhan-yv8jm]

@@leifleoden5464 is that a reference to Breaking Bad & Better Call Saul lol?

[@egg5474]

A bored chemist is the most dangerous kind of bored

[@joshuahandfinger9154]

Thats insane. Applies to other fields as well

[@v-for-vieira]

Damn I lost count of the amount of bad jobs like those that I applied for...

[@RandomShowerThoughts]

smh me too. I think I applied for like 3 today smfh

[@TheRealCasadaro]

Danillo Vieira bro i was sucked into one of these. Sucked my soul dry. I'll never work for another company again.

[@v-for-vieira]

I just need to level up and make enough money to live...and all they want to do is enslave junior devs (mostly)

[@jeanpaul6545]

Anas Beg yah yah inside jobs but still these titles are really starting to pop up more and more. especially “front end web developer/ designer” like gtfoh

[@StephanieG1]

Here in GB I have seen adverts requiring 5 years experience for a JS framework that has only been out a year.

[@ShadowNick]

Had an interview with a certain big blue company pertaining to being a "Beginner Dev Ops/Lab Engineer". On my resume I worked in a data center roughly 2000 sq ft at a college. The data center was built roughly 10 years ago with much of the same equipment. still being used as it was. I replaced almost all the equipment and redid all the cabling(the cables all had no labeling and were all zip tied together) under the raised floor. The whole project took me about 4 months instead of the 6 that was expected, had references from the dean of the comp sci department,and even the CIO of the school. The job that I applied for was a "Beginner" position although during the interview I was being asked why the contract was only 4 months and not longer and that they were looking for someone with over 4 years experience. They said at the end of the interview I had the experience, but not the time. They said I wasn't going to be considered any further and they showed me the door. This was all HR people, not even the people I would potentially be working with. HR in big companies like that are what ruins companies.

[@leifleoden5464]

That is possible the worst IT company to work for. Those HR loosers did you a favor, now ask ten friends to pay you $1 to build them a website. Build the same website with slightly different features, and say it took you 4 years. Now the next time some worthless piece of HR garbage asks you that question you can say "Yes, I do have 4 years of experience."

[@fujitafunk]

I've dealt with this before in IT/HelpDesk jobs where I was on calls with HR/recruiters and I'll be listing the things I have experience in and clearly am capable of doing. And despite it being a phone call, you can hear that they aren't comprehending what you're saying. They don't know what they want or what to look for. It's not even that hard to go to a department head and ask, can you list some of the requirements or skills you're looking for? Instead HR often Googles or copies other resume requirements and we've come to a point where these resumes are no longer reasonable. HR has just been playing "Telephone" this entire time. Now we have requirements for beginners to have 2-4 years of experience. Where is the logic in that?

[@lolnooblandia]

I once had an interview for a front-end internship where they would be paying 300 dollars, you had to bring your own laptop and it wasn't guaranteed that you would stay at the company at the end of the internship. But the most priceless part was about the skills. I was asked if I knew about PHP and database integration. I told them that the ad was for front-end, and those were backend/fullstack skills and they told me "oh yeah but it's still front end! We just need you to... Integrate some databases to the app using php!". They basically wanted to have a fullstack disguised as front-end for menial pay

[@harleyspeedthrust4013]

ok but did you consider that the 300 dollars would have been 300 more dollars than you had at the time? money is money bro

[@DINO5551000]

​@@harleyspeedthrust4013 you remind me of the "I'm not gay but 20$ is 20$" guy. Good luck to you buddy.

[@harleyspeedthrust4013]

@@DINO5551000 ^ this guy missed the joke

[@Alekov_]

Yep HR is a joke. Most of their jobs exist just because of regulations.

[@pavXX]

yeah I never understood how Junior level positions required 3-4 years of exp. I think it's just code for "we don't want to pay full salary".

[@cautarepvp2079]

a junior developer isnt fresh in like 6 months you are able to be junior right?

[@karelnemec6770]

Exactly, we need somebody who know how things works (but for Junior Salary) it really means this. What a HR, shame on them :D

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

The third one seems like they're hoping to get that as opposed to requiring it, and you might be able to get the job with much less experience. Don't ask me why they do it but I'd say it's worth giving it a try. That being said, shit like this isn't necessarily malicious. The people posting the job offers often have no idea what the job requires or are just fucking idiots. My mother is a nurse with 30+ years experience, but does some temporary work for various places. She's been working a regularly at some place for years now, and had an interview for a fixed contract. The HR retards were digging into some old work certificate that was so old the person who wrote it died years ago. They didn't ask the colleagues if my mother does a good job, managers or anyone no, they decided to dig into this old shit. Basically I'm saying that sometimes HR are just morons, but it can be worth a try because in some companies they send you straight to the technical people who actually hire you, or you might just have to bullshit your way through part of an interview.

[@cautarepvp2079]

@@ivanlagrossemoule but usually for a junior position or entry level what they ask? And can you be in a junior position if you hard work and around 6 months can you be job ready?

[@ssmith8247]

I don't get this. Are you saying that 3-4 years of experience makes you a senior dev? Maybe you call it mid-level? I think it is completely reasonable to still be considered a junior dev after 3-4 years of work. I don't know what you mean by full salary. They just want to pay junior dev salary to someone with junior dev experience.

[@scaryhobbit211]

Sounds like when I was trying to learn film editing. ENTRY-LEVEL EDITOR JOB! -4 years editing experience (required) -Bachelors degree (required) -Short term job; only lasts to end of production. -Pay: None. Experience and connections are your reward! I am no longer pursuing film editing.

[@vids4791]

That's acting too. Everyone who goes to Hollywood doesn't just make it. Most independent films are unpaid but will give you IMDb credit and demo reel.

[@leifleoden5464]

Entertainment is BRUTAL! When I was accepted as a transfer student to UCLA I was all excited about moonlighting as an actor. Had two roommates that spent over a decade trying to break into that industry. Had a two opportunities to work as an extra, saw just how difficult it was to get a single SAG voucher (yeah no wonder Hollywood is the rapey-ist industry in the world look NO FURTHER than SAG and their voucher system) anyway, I bailed on that forever. Best decision I ever made.

[@TaxingIsThieving]

Where did you learn it?

[@scaryhobbit211]

@@TaxingIsThieving I studied film editing in Minneapolis. Since my OP, I've graduated and am working in IT Support.

[@TaxingIsThieving]

@@scaryhobbit211 Ah

[@danielsimionescu298]

Requirements have gone over the top. The whole mindset behind job posting got insane. Companies try to get advance over people, just as you said, and even try doing this with qualified and skilful applicants. This is beyond outrageous.

[@Quonchon]

It's mostly because of shitty HR who don't know what they are asking for tbh.

[@qjtvaddict]

So it’s no longer racism which was just practice now they are cheating everybody

[@elliemay1748]

It's really not though, a senior dev is someone with 10-15 years of professional experience. All these kids claiming to not be junior devs with 2 years of experience is just crazy. You barely know anything, calm down, and get to work.

[@sorcdk2880]

@@elliemay1748 There is a lot of difference between someone who have programed for 2 years and someone who have 2 years of work experiance after a good software degree (the kind where you actually get to do programming and not just theory). What constitude what level of seniority is debatable though, and depends on the field. For instance I have seen senior positions only asking for a few years of experiance, but it would typically be in non-beginner topics, which means that the practical knowledge would have to be build up over a longer periode. The amount of quality you get with number of years of programming is quite varying though, so it can be a quite rough thing to measure people by, especially once you get further up in the numbers. Both professional and general programming experiance is usefull though, and it is going to be hard to reach a certain level of quality without a good amount of experiance.

[@festiml.2561]

Damn only 6 paid vacation days per year. Here in Switzerland we have 20 days required by law (almost everybody gets 25 though)

[@JoshuaFluke1]

We get 8, maybe

[@samuelglover7685]

All part of American Freedom (tm). Vacation time is the thin edge of the wedge of Communist tyranny, or something......

[@jakster16]

The thing this, the United States is the only developed nation in the world where there are no laws that guarantee vacation to employees. But hey, that makes us harder workers, right?

[@ElysianAura]

Well, it typically isn't just 6/8 for vacation, those are just holiday vacation days. You typically get some number beyond that yearly to spend as you want, like 10

[@Deliverygirl]

Here in Spain I get all the national holidays plus 25 days of vacation time. My company forced me to take 3 weeks off this August even though I didn't want to, because they get penalized if I don't take vacation.

[@HouseFromSmartCity]

Gotta let em fall on their own sword.... 1.Develop critical skills 2. Become freelancer and charge for performance These companies don’t deserve talented people full-time

[@MrKrusten]

Do americans seriously have only 6-10 paid holidays per year? Here in germany anything under 30 days is an insult.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Yes. Welcome to America.

[@FlaviusAspra]

Only an insult? I thought it's also illegal.

[@mr.j8356]

@@FlaviusAspra depends on the field you are working in. Minimum (by law) for my field is just 24.

[@alexandercollins3115]

Yo here in Mexico 5 the first year

[@agentorange20]

Joshua Fluke it varies by some occupations and where you’re at in your career and it’s something that is likely negotiable the employer is really interested. In IT it’s more like 17-20 days PTO.

[@Deliverygirl]

One of the reasons companies also put these BS job postings is because they actually don't want anyone to actually meet the requirements so they can then proceed to hire an H1B Visa applicant and pay them peanuts. Many dev jobs have been outsourced to H1Bs for much cheaper and it continues to happen to this day, the job posting is there so the company can legally claim that they did not get any applicants that met the requirement, because by law they are required to hire local people before hiring abroad. Also, have some self respect, if you see an application with obvious BS postings like 2 years experience required for a framework that's been out for six months, just say you have the experience and if you get an interview with one of the seniors/team leads explain to them that you saw the application mentioning something impossible. Be proactive, and don't let companies abuse you.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

That is more expensive than you think. Also because college grads say 'i have 4 years experience ' because college

[@Deliverygirl]

​@@JoshuaFluke1 I'm not in the US nor in HR so I can't say for sure, but that is what I've been told by friends and colleagues who are working in the US. BS job postings are a thing here too in Europe, but it's mostly for nepotism hiring, rather than outsourcing.

[@FeelingShred]

Speaking of monkeys... That's what happens when people ignore the "Don't Feed the Animals" sign. Don't let it happen in your nation too.

[@cassius573]

@@FeelingShred Yeah I get where you're coming from. Just a butthurt Nazi that despite being White and having this edge on the competition, cannot navigate properly through life and find yourself in a good position. You have a lot of room to grow man, just hope you wake up sooner than becoming a total failure in life and projecting your failure in anything...in your case other "races". You are a man, you have the tools.

[@FeelingShred]

Damn, I've been exposed. Since I'm already fucked, I should confess to being a Jew from the elites and I also kill babies for a passtime (but never cook them, we should not go that far)

[@rleften5788]

I overheard one of the directors of where I work speaking to one of the devs today, insisting that the feature he wanted was a single line of code and getting angry when the dev told him it's probably closer to 100 lines. I have no idea how this company ever actually made money...

[@truedreams1]

James Woods One super long jQuery line...

[@Nariji197]

Probably talking about a minified file. lol

[@rleften5788]

@@Nariji197 If only hahaha

[@leifleoden5464]

How do you know they did? I mean with directors like that at the helm.

[@davidcrawford9026]

coke and mirrors

[@slojcabronas858]

"It is just typing letters on computer, that's all" -Any company which trying to hire a programmer

[@revenez]

Spot on. To which it's to be answered: "No, this sounds just like what YOU did on this job offer letter".

[@CoolKoon]

@Sloj Cabronas Did any CEO/HR/manager of ANY company actually tell you that?

[@GamerKey91]

There's the old joke of an engineer that gets called to a company to fix something, and all he ended up doing was drawing an X in marker on the precise spot they needed to drill. 1000$ invoice. 1$ drawing the X. 999$ knowing where to draw the X. Same with programming: Typing letters on a computer: very cheap. Knowing which letters to type to get the intended result: not cheap.

[@Canleaf08]

Oof...

[@JesusRoseAgain]

@@GamerKey91 NICE point made

[@noradseven]

This, meanwhile just got off with my dad and he is like all I hear is how companies can't find anyone, and I'm screaming of course they can't, they want applicants that don't exist and they would need to pay twice as much.

[@Crisp3333]

My father said the same thing to me about Amazon cannot find qualified engineers. If only he knew.

[@GordonSeal]

These jobs exist for 2 reasons: First, to get experienced workers to accept a lower (junior) salary, without the benefits of a unlimited midrange position, and be able to more easily fire them ("it's only an internship / training") Second, to not have to hire someone, but still claim that you are "actually" hiring, to get tax benefits and make your company look better.

[@andyou7267]

Could you mind talk little more about tax benefits for fake hiring? I am interested

[@nikolasmichael6377]

Title: Entry-level Junior Python Co-op intern - 5 year experience python (required) - PhD in computer science (required) Salary: a shirt button and a couple pieces of string

[@reporutionD]

Salary 2 packs of cigarettes per day or maybe some "thank you"

[@leifleoden5464]

PhD in compsci :D :D :D lol! Good luck finding that.

[@DastardlyHandsome]

You just saved me a lot of time and effort. I didn't even know about the required field with Indeed. Subbed.

[@KKKVVV-ox6sm]

same

[@haley5501]

This video is so honest and refreshing! I've seen a lot of companies like this and have friends that work at companies like this. The higher-ups take aim at scared new developers' self-esteem and make them feel worthless and replaceable. I ran from my first college internship when my boss said that I'd have to live, eat, and sleep code because I could be replaced with a developer in India that makes $5 an hour. Great morale booster right there -_-

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

They'll get what they pay for!

[@leifleoden5464]

Then they wonder why the average employee leaves after 6 months.

[@frontalbackstab]

"Sure thing, boss! I'll take your advice to heart. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go to the toilet and crap out a few lines of code."

[@chrisbreakingbanks]

“You’re literally paying more money. For less cookie.” 😂

[@rockyforbs6249]

chris price haha I got it now

[@rubenverster250]

and that's the way the cookie crumbles

[@investmentguru9920]

@@rubenverster250 I fucking love you for that

[@Potenti4lz]

Love his short sayings 😅👏👏

[@shawnpitman876]

Coca cola gets away with murder on this exact thing. They have mini cans of pop they sell, and a 6 pack of those costs almost the same as 12 can case of normal sized cans.

[@tasheemhargrove9650]

Wow. I'm still working on my CS degree but videos like this are golden. It'll be a great resource when I finish my degree and start looking for SE jobs. I mean you're clearing up ambiguous terms like "schedule may vary". Invaluable stuff here.

[@ceaser8999]

Tasheem Hargrove please get an internship and try to get a full time offer. Don’t just graduate like I did. Makes things super hard.

[@FireWyvern870]

@@ceaser8999 care to elaborate?

[@ceaser8999]

A Hateful Guy if you don’t get an internship as a cs undergrad, then you just basically graduate with a piece of paper and no experience which can be pretty useless to a lot of employers. This is why there are a lot of cs grads attending boot camps to gain experience. Furthermore, it’s the easiest way to get a job as a cs student because if you perform well, you can get an offer lined up junior year and not worry about job hunting after graduation. Also, if you go to a well connected school (I went to Ohio state), there will be loads of resources to help land a co op or an internship. Handshake and career officers are a few examples.

[@FireWyvern870]

@@ceaser8999 thanks god i signed an intership contract for 6 months starting next month then they have a year contract afterwards for 1 year, then if i did good, they will hire me permanently, im at the end of my college year and they will pay for my tuition while im on their internship

[@FireWyvern870]

@@ceaser8999 thanks for the life lesson, sir

[@Misha-dr9rh]

Job: Janitor Requirements: 50 yrs. work experience, high school diploma, master's degree in quantum physics...

[@tec_anvil8868]

I knew several janitors that could school our professors. Ones job title does not always determine ones intelligence. I know a man who worked as a janitor at a private college just so he and his family could get free tuition. He completed several degrees there, and his daughters also completed their degrees. He ended up helping a friend of mine get a job in the maintenance department, just so he could get free tuition for his aviation degree.

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

@@tec_anvil8868 the question is not "hey, what am I getting paid here?" But rather "What am I becoming here" -Jim Rohn

[@That_One_Guy...]

Need that quantum thing to locate the last remaining dust that's invisible to most people

[@vids4791]

Soon it will be: Job: Landscaper Requirements: Soul for eternity

[@piglet2548]

Sadly I have those degrees.

[@SecretFoxtail]

The catch-22 experience required for entry level jobs thing is really just a scam so the company can say "We tried hiring but no one applied!" and use HB1 Visas to hire cheaper workers from India.

[@OBrasilo]

Meanwhile here in Slovenia (EU), it's no better, in every field - 3-5 years experience requirement for a minimum wage data entry job, because they usually have someone they know already set to be hired, but have to do the formal process by law, so they most likely rig the requirements to make sure none of the applicants will meet them.

[@MrVampify]

I liked the full stack one. If you're doing fullstack, you're probably not a jr.

[@milanstevic8424]

IN ALL LIKELIHOOD. obv they don't know what full stack means, or are rebranding the term. I was once in a situation where my never-to-become-employer would explain to me what "seniority" means to them (them being a fledgling "game dev" studio with two dozens of monkey noob employees and several half-assed "hidden object adventure" products; I don't know what I was doing there, probably trying to find a way to pay my rent). To them a "senior" was something akin to an octopus that knows everything, wears six to eight hats, has no life, does it for 300 euros per month, and occasionally sucks dicks in the evening. We were having the talk in a derelict backyard behind the office and I vividly remember I wanted to kick the guy in the empty concrete pool full of mud. (Btw in my country I am astonished with your sums of $40k per year, I could live like a god here with that kind of money.)

[@supernova743]

@@milanstevic8424 I make more than 40k doing warehouse work and i'm on the low end. That wouldn't even be enough to live in the larger cities in my area. I could probably do it if i had 1 or 2 roommates. Rent in larger cities can be outrageous here. Seriously 1.5k a month for a hole in the wall isn't uncommon. I pay half that and have a decent sized 2 bedroom apartment.

[@milanstevic8424]

@@supernova743 I understand the living costs raise proportionately as well. It's not much better in the EU either. (I'm not in the EU btw, but close enough to bite my nails.) But then I'm curious. If we're having it all the same (in proportion) all across the board, then who's actually profiting if not the people? Thing is, you can definitely purchase more T-shirts and computers than me, per month, but I'm 100% sure that you can't pay more rents or buy more food than me. And the quality of food matters as well. Why is this the case? Because, let me be honest here, if USA is not having it phenomenally good, and your govt and your culture has been dominating a lot in recent times, than we're all screwed man.

[@stitchfinger7678]

@@milanstevic8424 ...companies? Like, 1% of 1% of people.

[@HrHaakon]

Yeah, by the time you're good enough at either front or back-end to learn the other thing without being shit at either, you're not a noob.

[@ryan-yg7pk]

I've witness some large corporations hiring HR with low pay , no business experience, and no degree. Universities should have never offered degrees in HR but they do. They are turning HR into a minimum wage job more and more and only the HR director or HR manager will need a degree. Poor college students with HR degree RIP.

[@darkfafi]

In game development, job offers include "Unity Front-end developer" and "Unity Back-end developer" AND "Unity Full-Stack developer".. Where they mean with front-end that you can make the entire game with the game engine, back-end that you can set up the database / servers and make the entire game in the engine.. and full stack.... ehm... I don't even know what that means.. That you make art as well? Sound perhaps? I just love how they glue words together.

[@danniton9831]

That's not all. Another requirement. "Must have at least 5 years of experience with another AAA company and sold at least 3 AAA quality games."

[@ilkinqafarov8333]

@@danniton9831 and the salary is 1kg of potato per month

[@ShonHarito2]

@@ilkinqafarov8333 Best case scenario

[@Coolzlps]

@@ilkinqafarov8333 Well you could sleep and live in the office. Ofc you would have to pay rent to your employer and you would have to share the electricity and water costs :D

[@rixtacarde7333]

As a recent graduate with a degree in CompSci, looking for a job has been very stressful but man thank you for all these videos. They really are an eye opener

[@ceaser8999]

rixta carde yeah. We both fucked up,and graduated without full time offers after internships. Good luck bro.

[@Siik94Skillz]

Specialise in in cybersec, do one or two certifications and you will never stress a day in your life. There's a huge skill gap. Take control, this will take 3 months max. Thank me then 😁

[@yasserelsaeed5012]

@@Siik94Skillz but cyber security require good understanding in different fields ..i thought it would be more stressful

[@Siik94Skillz]

@@yasserelsaeed5012 don't worry about it, youll be fine, it's not any harder, just work hard and study

[@lardosian]

Even getting a reply is hard enough.

[@ayushikhurana5020]

I just apply to them with a killer cover letter and links to some sample projects- always gets me a call back. Talk/write your way into it, they're just looking for the right person.

[@HalkerVeil]

Programmer looks at HR chick, "We need to hire more interns." *HR chick chews gum.* "Mmhmm wut they gunna do did?" Programmer, "Programming..." HR chick, "Mmhmm kay I get ya sum experienced programmer interns Mkaaay?"

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Sounds about right

[@Slayer8957]

@@JoshuaFluke1 How much of HR shenanigans is not incompetence but just legal shielding by doing their due diligence of advertising for jobs before filing for H1B visas to fill positions because no one in the US is "qualified"? Even more so when the H1b visa holders themselves being hired to fill the positions dont have the qualifications they were demanding when they first posted the job.

[@jamesmurphy616]

@@Slayer8957 H1B system doesn't work like that. There's zero requirement to prove you advertised for the job before processing a visa for an H1B worker.

[@TheUnchosenOne]

@@jamesmurphy616 oh, great

[@dustypixelsUE5]

Amazing, I can visualize the gum bubble popping before cooks up her horse ass of a job profile.

[@enira]

Junior Full Stack developer. I lol'd, does that even exists? Full stack developers are usually not juniors anymore.

[@danielpintjuk]

Junior fullstack-dev-ops developer, integration specialist

[@gorkyd7912]

Just means there will be a Senior who will be giving you orders, and said Sr may or may not be anywhere near Full Stack but is still by chain of command your Sr.

[@Nemcoification]

Must have excellent design skills :D

[@Lynx-eq7qx]

C# had released 3 months ago. HR: We're looking for 3 years C# experience. Me: Do you even know what C# is? HR: ... Didn't get the job. Dunno if anyone did. Interesting to see the pattern holds.

[@Lynx-eq7qx]

@@wololo__ It was for real. The last noteworthy one I recall was a company demanding 10 years Kubernetes experience, a couple of years ago. Kubernetes v1.0 was released to the general public in 2015, so not sure how that worked out for them. The hiring managers putting this out are willfully clueless and deserve to fail.

[@thomasip9938]

This company uses a three-month-old technology?!

[@norboost]

​@@thomasip9938​ well they clearly stated they were looking for someone with 10 years experience +, should be battle proven by then

[@leifleoden5464]

EPIC!

[@neuemage]

So the main take is: Lie about your skills because companies lie too :P

[@JS-wp4gs]

The problem is when the company lies you can't do anything about it when you catch them, but if you lie and they hire you because of that lie they can sue you and have you charged with fraud

[@FamousWolfe]

@@JS-wp4gs dude you're not going to get sued, that takes time and legal resources. You're more likely to just get fired for falsifying info.

[@BYToady]

@@FamousWolfe But if you last long enough before you get caught, you might actually have that required experience for your next job!

[@mikatu]

wrong, companies can lie, you cannot. Because companies don't get fired if they lie

[@neuemage]

@@mikatu makes sense since no employee has ever lied in their resume

[@maserati4000]

another banger of a video. i was job searching today and with each job posting i got more and more pissed off seeing the year requirements and the number of languages and frameworks they wanted you to know (so far ive done html/css/javascript and about to start react). i avoid those types of postings like a plague now.

[@Dryblack1]

Lambda?

[@sierranexi]

Why are you pissed? You just need 7+ years of React/Redux experience to work now.

[@WTFIWFYDB]

@@theartistdiamond9397 Idk, a lot of the times it comes to hr being incompetent.

[@VypeReaper]

Im so fucking glad u bring this up. We (everyone in IT/Developers) need to start making a stand and always counter offers. Dont let them give u shit pay. They need us! Remember that! Those big corporations need us! Make more videos bro!

[@kizbartlett]

I've not seen any of your other videos, but this one alone has landed you a sub. This crap drives me insane, and its much to do with higher-ups exerting their power without actually speaking to the current developers. Implementing random crap without speaking to IT and consulting them first. I've seen projects greenlit with 0 input from devs. Not requested any advice or to attend meetings, just "yeah we should implement this because it sounds good, im sure IT can handle it". And when you tell them its a bad idea and list off a plethora of reasons why its bad, you have to fight tooth and nail just to get your point across.

[@UltraNyan]

I'm a junior 7 years experience full stack developer. Feels good to be a slave.

[@carldrogo9492]

Oh my word. 😳

[@ArayaRetta]

I think your profile pic describes yout feelings very well.

[@gijsvandergiessen1150]

So honest question, not meant as an attack or anything: But with 7 years of experience as a full stack developer, why don’t you go to a company that treats you better? I’m sure there are other companies that would want to have you. I mean 7 years experience full stack is not super common. Just curious, that’s all.

[@MikeCOYS]

@@gijsvandergiessen1150 I think he's being sarcastic. Going by the outrageous requirements out there, he's basically still a junior dev.

[@orbitory7936]

@@gijsvandergiessen1150 for me, it would be that interview jobs ask unrelated questions to your experience. For example I can setup full stack development environment(OS, Server to front end development), work in it and never ever have to do binary tree searches, matrices, almost never touch recursion but when you go to an interview you need to know these and a lot more. I personally don't want to get back to school after 20 years of working as a FSD. If I need an algorithm I can always find it in a book or already done by someone else. Am I missing something?

[@VictoriaMorganawesometori]

I love that you're being transparent about salary. So many people aren't. Thank you so much for your honesty. Been binging your videos. Really enjoy the channel.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Happy to have you!

[@MrFuguDataScience]

The mandatory 2-4 years for Junior position is garbage. I have sent mean responses to HR putting my 2 cents a few times. I have this problem currently, because my undergraduate degree was different than my Master's.

[@MrFuguDataScience]

Josh, thanks

[@alexnezhynsky9707]

Hats off to you sir. A junior is someone with little to no exp. 2-4 years qualifies you for a mid level position at the very least. It's funny, I had to argue about my experience level with a few recruiters, they really don't trust you and/or set unrealistic expectations

[@larrye]

This is just terminology. 0-1 years is entry level, 2-4 years is Junior... Length really doesn't matter, experience does. I know people that have been working 10+ years that I would still consider mid level. I know others with 3 years and they seem more senior.

[@MrFuguDataScience]

@@larrye , well applying to jobs with zero experience and they ask: for 3 years experience (working not coursework) for what is so called entry level/junior level is bogus. Especially, with 1 Master's degree and completing a second Master's. And still can't get a job. Call it terminology but that doesn't matter to HR people

[@AnonGolden]

I remember when i started looking for jobs, there where a lot of companies asking for a college degree( here it is minimum 4 years), 3-5 years experience and being under 25 yo. Like, seriously? I've been trying to find a job as a developer for 4 years, I'm starting to give up on programming tbh

[@hamzix6599]

try networking

[@SzczesliwyCzlowiek]

4 years?! Ffffff.... to pay respect...

[@AnonGolden]

@Luis CG I don't have the meana to move to another country and it is like this all over this country. Nobody wants to hire someone without experience. I get it, why would they right? They have tons of options

[@AnonGolden]

@@hamzix6599 i hate networking tbh lol. The problem would peraiat, i'd still have no experience I'm gonna end up working at McDonald's

[@kiasta1]

Requiring a certain age is actually federally illegal. So either you are not in the US, lying or have a case for age discrimination. www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/adea.cfm

[@jimmyryan5880]

Ive seen ads looking for more years experience in a technology than that technology has existed.

[@KevinSmith-gu7fb]

Here's a winner from a manufacturing plant near me: "Required: Bachelor's degree in Computer Science or related discipline from a four-year accredited college or university Project Management Skills - must be able to coordinate meetings with other managers and/or engineers to design the system. Be able to write program and/or database specifications for other users, and perform program evaluations for projects. C++.net programming skills - 5 years of experience VB.net programming skills - 5 years of experience C#.net programming skills - 5 years of experience VMware skills - 5 years of experience IIS and other Window servers maintenance - 5+ years of experience EMC storage and HP, UCS, Dell servers troubleshooting SAP administration - 5+ years of experience Must be willing to work holidays, weekends, and overtime as needed Wonderware experience - 3+ years of experience Preferred Experience: Mitsubishi MES-IF/IT experience is helpful Fluent in Japanese and English Experience working on IT systems in a manufacturing environment" The listed compensation was $65k.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Wow.

[@xavdest5481]

I'd do it for approaching 190k tbh. The needs to speak two languages for the job already put it in 100k+ territory to me.

[@HickoryDickory86]

@@xavdest5481 Agreed. No less than $150k Good God, these companies make me sick. I thought it was just my field, but now I see it's in computer science too. It's everywhere.

[@leekuncoins6347]

Wow abusive Company - this requirement be proffesional CS ! + more plugin skills (65k per years- just only dog wilk do it )

[@hypnoticlizard9693]

They're looking for a unicorn or something.

[@matt-g-recovers]

I got into development 10 years ago because I love Android apps and wanted to be a professional Android Dev. Wrote a simple app, went back to college and spent 90,000 to get a degree in software development. I landed a 75k job out of college (my AA actually computer programming) soon dropped out of the bachelor program and went to burning myself out in one of these horrible jobs you talk about. I love computing. I build them full of liquid, game on them, create with them but even 75k a year and an interest sometimes isn't enough. You've given me the self confidence to go ahead and apply to these better positions. I now have 3 years experience with Web development (JS,XML,HTML,Databases etc) and about 2 years of private coding experience with Android though it went stagnant. I always assumed they requested what people already had. I felt like I was stupid. I felt like I couldn't be a REAL Android developer and that is all bullshit really. Thank you so much for that, I owe you big. I am sending out resumes to all the Android jobs I don't qualify for on paper lol. The ones I want anyway Keep the great videos coming!

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Will do

[@morecarstuff]

"you put no because Youre Mr.Honest" damn i feel that on a spiritual level man.

[@Slodin]

This video just triggered my ranting mode...I was jobless for 6 months because of all the stale postings on job boards of these ridiculous requirements. Then you find one that is somewhat normal once every blue moon, you get 200-300 people applying off one job board within the first week. Companies ofc takes the cheapest person who is massively underpaid with more experience than they require. Most of the interviews I been through even have a lengthy process to get you to build something, come in a few times and the next thing you know 1 month has passed. They even dive so deep in my code which I wrote within a day without prior knowledge of a certain framework they use and tell me oh this not the best practice in this framework. I don't even know how to prove that I can take the job anymore at this point. Barely anyone lists their salary, and they would ask you for an expected salary in a required field on indeed. All I can see from that is too high and you are filtered out, make the fking salary from employers on job boards to be required for fk sake. I even had an instance of this massive company giving me a wrong test, for a wrong position. Wasted my hours and they just go oh well, better luck next time. the guy didn't even understand async/await since he asked me how I deal with network async. Told him about promise since he doesn't understand async/await and the guy went "don't you use callbacks?". I just blocked their email because I can't trust their HR to send me more of their BS. Fun, now I'm also underpaid. Doing Full stack, maintain multiple projects under different frameworks for 40K. Just because I need a roof over my head and maybe food. No other benefits at all. It's really my fault for not wanting to relocate because I don't want to miss my family and friends. Or maybe I should go to trades, even people who never studied anything and just work custom service job makes as much as I do at this point.

[@Zwettekop]

Where do you live??? I'm studying IT in Western Europe and you're scaring me man. We have massive shortage of engineers so I would hope this isn't the case here. Apparently multiple students have a job secured before they even graduate.

[@FlaviusAspra]

Come to Europe then, we have here many additional advantages (protected by law), for 40K. At least you get decent paid vacation (20-25 days/year) + holiday days anyway + you don't go bankrupt if you ever get sick.

[@Zwettekop]

@@FlaviusAspra maybe he lives in the EU i don't know. I just wonder where people are so highly educated that they have an abundance of software engineers? I would understand if he did something like web development but that's not the case.

[@Rinetto]

I've been through the exact same thing and when you are unemployed even for a few months the interviewer is definitely going to bring it up during the interview trying to link it to 'you are jobless because you are incapable'.

[@EyeAmBatman]

Funny you said that....i ended up in the end opting for a service trade myself... Got fed up looking/applying and getting nowhere with the software dev jobs i attained. where I'm from companies dont want to keep you... once you have their s/w up and running, they let you go and they get some new guy in to maintain it for cheap.. it was so tiresome, & soul destroying knowing that there really was no job security, and that the industry that was meant to be at the forefront of technology, the industry that had lots of vacancies and big companies invested, really was all a smokescreen for a cesspool of bottom of the bucket, unfulfilling, underappreciated, work hard for little reward slavery..... .. and i can relate wanting to stay local, you're lucky there was something local, its so stressful taking a chance on places and being away on your own... I ended up moving away and had to struggle 2 jobs to make ends meet.. Such an absolute waste of college imo, and a waste of many years, making a go at it, all for nothing really.. Out of my former college peers, only 2 are still in industry & dont really enjoy it, & most others are in retail or in sales...

[@ralph7862]

Open for FRESH GRADUATES Required Skill: 2 years+ of working experience in bla bla WTH??

[@rehmanarshad1848]

New Technology or Framework: *Exists* Released less than a week ago ... HR: 5+ Years Working with said Technology or Framework (REQUIRED)

[@pixelgreen5837]

That's easy, you just have to have been writing the Tech/Framework itself for the past half decade? 4hed

[@rehmanarshad1848]

@@pixelgreen5837 LMAO!!!!

[@lajungleqc7487]

@@pixelgreen5837 Or lie

[@pixelgreen5837]

@@lajungleqc7487 You forgot option 3, Miss the joke

[@rehmanarshad1848]

Then you wonder why there are massive shortages and understaffed people in certain companies.

[@justthatpm]

Huge tips here for Jr. Devs looking to land a job and what to look out for on job postings! Also, to add - always look for salaries in the area you're applying. Sometimes companies will low ball newer devs so definitely do research and find out the avg. compensation in your surrounding areas.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Yup. Glassdoor every time.

[@justthatpm]

@@JoshuaFluke1 100%

[@raycorrea5147]

The posting is in 2 parts: The experience required is what they actually need, the Junior/Intership is the pay range.

[@HydlideS]

IT is the same way. When I first started looking for jobs out of college more than half of the entry level jobs asked for a massive laundry list of qualifications and certifications as well as more than 2 years of experience. To top it off, some of them were only offering around $15 an hour. Absolutely ridiculous.

[@asmokingp3005]

and thats why i gave up in it lol..They ask too much for so little...I mean they are a business...I get it..If they can get away with it they will.

[@visceralcinema]

Preach it brother...I have a CCNA and a Security+, plus a Fortinet firewall cert and the same skiddish behavior from employers. ☝️🤔😔

[@dsadad21]

Josh you've been killing it with the videos lately! Keep up the good work and keep exposing the industry and protecting young devs, king!

[@ahumandoing6813]

Job Title: Unicorn Requirements: must be an expert in at least two things that each require a lifetime worth of work

[@lardosian]

So glad you did this video. These kind of job postings can be very demoralizing and frustrating.

[@ImTheMrFoxman]

"I know I'm talking really fast" Me, having you at 1.5 speed: ......

[@Cateleya]

Ha, try 2x!

[@ImTheMrFoxman]

@@Cateleya if I wasn't multitasking at the time, I would have xD

[@s0lbadguy00]

Not enough people talk about how to evaluate job postings. This can be applied to job descriptions and expectations as well. This is great that you put your time into this. Much respect.

[@kevind97]

Could not agree with you more. You are the only KZbinr that I have seen that has talked about how companies are undercutting interns, junior developers, and recent graduates a lot. I've been desperate enough to apply to these job offerings but I always keep in mind to negotiate for a higher salary, knowing they are lowballing me.

[@liteknightgaming2018]

Joshua, make a video of how write your CV for these jobs.

[@levilima9925]

Great idea!!

[@hamzahajji5814]

Awesome idea

[@willc6720]

He's done that before, look through his videos

[@ayeayyiu]

do you need to write cv these days as a dev? just drop linkedin url to them

[@itslikemagic123]

Put their keywords in white font on your resume and you’ll ding a 100% match

[@sidique5269]

Recently applied for a job as an android developer req minimum 5 years of experience in kotlin...they don't know when kotlin is released for android development

[@onlymyrailgununknown2960]

I wouldnt apply there at all.

[@Nobody-vr5nl]

Internships are a scam anyways. 0 experience with carpentry and I was making +$18/hr + benefits as a 1st/8 term apprentice. Journeyman make $43/hr.

[@mapleace6185]

Man you working in Oblivion or something? Lmao

[@amendus]

One of my interns: 850 gross intern salary. 6 months later: hired him for a job and now he's earning more than I am 😂 what a scam! 😅

[@dnav10]

I've been dealing with this crap in my country. Jr feels like mid or even senior dev sometimes

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Yep

[@OutOfTheBoxThinker]

In my experience, most devs in Western-Europe have been reduced to a wage slaves : these jobs are fairly well-paid, but they require a high amount of focus and energy, leaving you too drained by the end of the day to actually enjoy the money you earn and/or restore your energy by working on your own projects. And they're all 9-to-5 (10-to-6 if you're lucky), pretty much forcing you to enter "flow" on command, which at least I'm not capable of on a daily basis... which leads to me losing my motivation and actually hating the very programming I used to do in my spare time, and typically ends up in burn-out within 2 years... after which I need a break from all work to reboot my career and start everything all over again. I hope to evolve to a job that allows me to work on more conceptual work real soon, of I'm giving up on the job market alltogether and try to find some other means to make money.

[@hleyuan]

Do stock trading

[@PP-xj7vg]

@@hleyuan Easier said than done. Successfully at least.

[@ciprianghenghea7779]

@@hleyuan What means stock trading ??

[@robgxx7316]

Amen

[@annddyy]

It's rediciolous, you look to start a decent tech job after graduation and you have no clue and get stuck in a loop of how do I get the experience, without the job to get the experience to get the job 🤦 Edit: Thanks for 197 Likes! Hope y'all having a good time job searching :)

[@santiago8816]

Here in Argentina is the same i am Analist of System and every job almost every one ask for experience even for internship ask you for experience.

[@mw2zorzest]

@At Home in the Dome They're not necessarily from a primarily english speaking language or maybe it's a typo, you should start by realizing not everyone in the world speaks perfect english before you spout nonsense... Not to mention for a tech job they don't even need perfect english, who cares about language skills...

[@elliemay1748]

You build stuff in your own time. There is no such thing as learning how to program when you started school. If you graduate college and have only been programming for 2-4 years, you did it wrong.

[@coldmayorelish6466]

At Home in the Dome I know this might be a surprise to you but in Argentina people don’t speak English

[@captainpinky8307]

@@elliemay1748 he probabely didn't KNOW that. not everyone is as highly educated as you Ellie, please remeber that.

[@CariagaXIII]

*Unity ECS Still in beta not usable* HR: 3 years of experience in ECS and released a game in app store.

[@CookieManCookies]

Weird, if you released a game. Why would you screw with a corporation? Isn't obama care "free health care" for 1 person companies??

[@AmericanWithTheTruth]

Been doing software development for 20 years. I’m about ready to do anything else in life. Total burn out and sick and tired of making other people money for things I don’t even believe in. As a former military conservative Republican I need to find a company that does low-key stress working for conservative principles, military, weapons or anything opposite of Silicon Valley. Could give a damn about money anymore.

[@ChipsMcClive]

The market of developers is definitely saturated with people who have no drive to get good at it. They take a job, and, 6 months later when they’re finally in a position to start contributing for their team, they walk out. Worse is that companies with too many management layers see this as a blessing. Instead of acknowledging the loss of half a man year’s salary, cost of onboarding, and cost of training, they see it like, “nice, we were able to give one less raise this year,” and repeat the cycle. I won’t deny that finding a good job in the modern hot pot of software efforts is hard, but I swear there’s a community of job-hopping bench warmers that do not plan to actually work in the field.

[@orbitalair2103]

And yet people who are 'good at it', get nothing extra. Better to do a few years and move into management.

[@FredoCorleone]

I'm exhausted by these job offers.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

They arent jobs. Theyre jokes.

[@CottidaeSEA]

Rule of thumb: if the job requires a lot of varied competence, the pay should be higher. There's nothing wrong with jobs where you're basically a one man army, but in that case, your salary should reflect that.

[@EnterJustice]

As a Belgian this astonishes me. Is the job market for entry-level programmers really that bad in the USA? Heck, in Belgium they're even hiring people without a degree at decent salaries and conditions (the company will pay for your training, only demanding you'll stay for a couple of years afterwards or pay back your training proportionally).

[@senz20]

Hold my beer, I'm moving to Belgium!

[@Mica-qn4hp]

Does this apply to the french part of Belgium (as I only know french and english) ? Might do it if I don't have a good job opportunity in Québec (where I live rn)

[@EnterJustice]

@@Mica-qn4hp You're planning to compete against natives? Knowledge of both French and Dutch is often a requirement, and lacking any and all experience in this country will hurt your chances of getting in I'm afraid. There are usually a lot of applicants, even I was rejected while studying computer science for f's sake.

[@CiprianHanga]

They don't title it as "Junior/internship job" because they want a junior developer, what they actually want is somebody with 2/4 years experience that is desperate enough to work for the minimum salary that they would give to a junior developer. And then they can say: "sorry, we can't give you more money as the salary because this is a junior developer position."

[@L00rdAjduk]

I know that this is an old video and that you might not see this comment, but here's the biggest gem that I've found. In the job description: We don't expect you to come with all the knowledge and experience required because you won't, there's always more to learn blablabla Ok, makes sense so far, you always learn something new on the job. Required: 10 YEARS OF RELEVANT WORK EXPERIENCE! You won't have all the necessary knowledge -> minimum 10 YEARS of work experience The fuck do they expect you do to on that job? Open wormholes?!

[@edwin-jq4dp]

Solid like. Couldn't agree more. I so struggled to find my first job as a junior developer.

[@NyanaCore]

This was great - it confirmed my belief that some of these companies are looking to hire someone when really they don’t know what they actually need.