Answering The Most Highly-Debated Gardening Questions! (Garden Talk #61)

[@GardenTalkwithMrGrowIt]

Thanks to Derek from TheBudLab for coming onto the podcast today! TheBudLab’s Twitch channel- bit.ly/3uJlC9v

[@TheBudLab]

Awesome conversation, Thanks for the invite!

[@johnman559]

Great podcast, can you have a shave please ? I hate beards.👍

[@TheBudLab]

@@johnman559 NEVER!

[@keithnortje1720]

Autos are for ninnies🤙🏻

[@Undergroundgrowuk]

Well done 👍 bro smashed it again

[@MichaelLeal-u3y]

Its truelly amazing how a person can think he knows it all as far as growing but every single Podcast i learn something new... Mike from Wisconsin.U.S.A..

[@zE_bEE]

One of the most humble guys in the community spreading his good vibes and acquired knowledge! Love this. HYPERS

[@TheBudLab]

LOVE!

[@barryfredrick2731]

So true

[@davidbryden7904]

My Saturday morning routine is to roll a fatty and kick it with Chris. Always a great start to the weekend! Thanks, bro!

[@GardenTalkwithMrGrowIt]

Cheers!

[@scottiesgarden8682]

You too lol

[@guido-tx1el]

same here brother ..🤟

[@CHARGER08RT]

that sounds like a good idea dude I'll join you

[@MistaTerps]

I cut out any bud rot (hopefully you caught it early) & then get in to the affected area with a flame torch lighter to burn any remaining spores. Definitely wouldn’t incorporate any more water. After a normal drying process the remaining bud stays intact & the rot doesn’t spread.

[@hyperfinance6962]

Derek is right!

[@Tnj8228]

I used to use a green light to do work in dark period. Left it on after doing work and forgot for a couple weeks. Didnt go back in during dark period and didn't notice it on. Plants started revegging. Lesson learned 🤣

[@polymathwrath8486]

I love that you time stamp your videos ❤️

[@j2matlock]

Disagree with leaf talk at 30:20. Leaves under the canopy do still photosynthesize, light penetrates through upper leaves to them. Any photons hitting the soil are wasted photons/energy when indoors. As lower leaves age they go into "senescence", and the plant uses them like a battery full of nutrients cannibalizing the leaf and mobilizing the nutrients to other locations in the plant and causing the leaf to yellow and fall off. I try to leave as many leafs on as I can, but do strip bottom quarter and some interior for airflow.

[@TheBudLab]

Only 10% of light will penetrate through a leaf, and MOST of that is IR / Green.. which isn't always the best spectrum for those lowers! Removing the lowers for airflow is a great habit!

[@kathleenblock9432]

Hi Chris, my prayers are you and your family. Keep strong to your dad

[@stephenmagistrelli6385]

I just discovered your channel. Ty for all you do. I'm in disbelief bc I saw the thumbnail for this show 25 times before jumping in, and presumptively belived this was gonna be you arguing with yourself back and forth. That statement is not a reflection of the quality I find in the content of your show because I love it, been doing this a long time and your talks are very interesting thank you. But you two are doppelgangers. Furrealz.

[@microbefeeder]

Fun Chat! I think you should check out what Bill Ward did. He straight up took a cutting of an auto, rooted it, and grew it out. He's also fantastic at training plants as well. Cheers Brother!

[@420Trees]

Awesome glad to hear someone talk about ro water an the wast of water

[@rajsinghk1]

Great info. In the UK, you can get a comprehensive tap water report for your area online, includes all additives ie chlorine and chloramine. 80 ppm out of tap in my area.

[@harrynelson9203]

Mines around 350/400 😔 i read online or watch a youtube video a few months ago, every house in scotland has 0ppm

[@rajsinghk1]

@@harrynelson9203 distilled water has a ppm of 0.5, Scottish water is less than a 100 in some areas. Bro, your tap water is high. I would use a charcoal water filter to see if you could reduce that.

[@harrynelson9203]

@@rajsinghk1 so even any store brought distilled will be fine, seems like it will cost a lot at the end, that’s crazy their so lucky, will check them out thanks

[@rajsinghk1]

@@harrynelson9203I grew in Spain, and used water from the supermarket, it was 1 euro for 8 ltr bottle, and ppm was 60 (ph was 6.5). Using a 20 ltr bucket hydro system, cost 25 euros for a complete auto run. What country you in?

[@harrynelson9203]

@@rajsinghk1 niceeeee and UK 🇬🇧

[@jamesrogers2386]

WE GETTIN LEARNED, I GOTTA WATCH THIS 2-3 MORE TIMES TO SOAK IT UP THANK YOU BOTH . CHRIS YOU ROCK, DERRICK, FUCKING AWARE PEACE AN KEEP IT ALIVE

[@ghostgrowz9750]

Adding beneficial bacteria and microbes to my hydro system using synthetics has given me the most Terpy buds, I believe no matter how you grow, if your giving the plant everything they need it will maximize plant production regardless of synthetic or organic.

[@royrobles6555]

💯

[@DavidfromMichigan]

Hmf. I always thought.. and told that you don't mix anything organic with hydroponics. Everything turned out good though huh?

[@K_Nasty]

My first ever living soil sip tub just grew the best thing ive ever produced. Ive always thought outdoor was better. This explains a lot.

[@benwilliams3539]

Best in what way, taste and flavour or yield too?

[@7munkee]

I am using a SIP for the first time right now. The growth is AMAZINGLY healthy and fast. I probably wont go back to conventional pot.

[@gwoo4207]

Thanks Chris for the interview with Derek from TheBudLab. Excellent knowledge and discussion. During the interview you mentioned Bill Ward, he has done a lot of myth busting on his channel concerning light schedule, flushing and autoflower growth techniques.

[@Tommy_Yanks]

I never would have thought I would be watching a gardening podcast, but here I am! I love the content, keep up the good work !

[@GardenTalkwithMrGrowIt]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@TucstonedGenetics520]

I only use R.O. for my humidifier, and put the "waste" water in to my pond then use my aquaponic rich water from my pond, stocked with fish and turtles to water my garden

[@jackhand4073]

Some humidifiers need harder water to work correctly. Check you're not wrecking yours by using RO water

[@TucstonedGenetics520]

@@jackhand4073 heard that, just checked said nothing about it so i think im good. Spend the extra loot on a commercial grade one hope it was worth it.

[@growshack9067]

Use alot of Fulvics.. You'll be OK with tap watering and no lockouts

[@I_Count_Twice]

Do you know of a good place to read up on that? I've never heard of it. Something I need to learn.

[@pyramidion5911]

@@I_Count_Twice Look up Robert Faust on KZbin he has hours of information on the topic

[@I_Count_Twice]

@@pyramidion5911 I'll check it out. Thank you.

[@jonyoakem6882]

Humic acid

[@drevill7827]

What a day of info!… first the “Stash” posts a video and now Mr. Growit…THANX!!! 👍😁

[@MrMustard2112]

Would really enjoy a talk with bill ward if you could get him on. I have a very small grow space so his knowledge of auto's has helped me a ton.

[@Lamentor219]

And I thought my 240ppm water was bad. I wouldn't mind using it on an outdoor ground grow, but growing in coco-coir or hydro it's really tough to use anything but RO water within at least 40 ppm because tap water becomes an uncontrollable factor at that point. I really think a general rule of thumb is anything above 200 ppm is where you start to potentially have negative compounds in your water.

[@gandalf8216]

I agree, but not if the tap water is at least consistent (because of previous water treating and so on). If it's consistent, it's more of a task of research and figuring out the right nute balancing for that particular water source. If it's not consistent, it's not trustworthy - at least at ppms over 100.

[@glockasauruswrex6362]

Started with RO water, saw the waste n in Drought stricken Socal, that was a nogo...switched to a Boogey filter. Started with synthetic nutes, but after learning about living soil, going Organic was a no brainer...made my own mix with bokashi, worm castings, chicken manure compost n rice hulls. Use that indoors n out n with my veggie garden...all i do is water. Everything is booming 💥 😋

[@christopherpena42]

I do indoor grow living soil use water and sugar for CO2 tapwater, but I do pH balance bring it down between 6.3 and 6.5. You do need your soil pH in between six and seven for plants to respond or use all organic fertilizers from down to earth.

[@blahk1310]

Love this guy! Also, it would be awesome to see Mr. Canucks on here 🫶

[@Henriquezblu]

Fantastic information, so grateful for the content ❤❤❤

[@JoeyPeeps157]

My ppm from the tap runs about 280-300. I take half RO and half tap and bring the ppm down to 150 ppm. I still run an air pump through it, but the 150 ppm gives me a good base and the ph doesn’t shift like with straight RO water.

[@TheBudLab]

Smart!

[@i.b.l.b5627]

same 450 here thoe

[@growshack9067]

Yes, I cut my RO with a little tap

[@Jemstk]

Yup half Ro half tap just let tap out for a day get chlorine out

[@budstermcgreen6360]

Definitely "controversial" topics...but a good show all the same. I feel like plants do better with a sleep period. Even if it's just 4 hours. Every time I've tried the 24 hours lights on thing..they look jacked and just not happy about it. Let them have that rest cycle and save yourself a few bucks on the light bill. ✌

[@KEvronista]

"emulate nature" is my growing philosophy, and nature gives plants a night cycle. KEvron

[@izzem]

@@KEvronista Completely agree. Hell I have glow in the dark stars in my tent....I feel give them the best environment possible and they will return the favor

[@BnMGarage]

@@izzem 👀👀, I like that idea 💡

[@royrobles6555]

Exactly....but I have found that I needed 24hr for my mommas.....if not .....they can become more difficult to clone

[@654rickybobby]

@@royrobles6555 in what way?

[@johnclawsdamnvan6937]

Love the demineralizing tablet idea for getting rid of the white dust from the humidifier that seems to coat everything! Gonna check it out, for sure! Thank you!

[@izzem]

Chris with another great interview. Your work will not go unnoticed, keep up the superb work 👏🏿 👍🏿

[@jefftaylor4062]

Izzem what up!

[@izzem]

@@jefftaylor4062 I can't call it. Just happy to be living and able to grow another day. What's good with you?

[@jefftaylor4062]

@@izzem 😎🤝🏽🧬🌱

[@dewaynemoody2024]

Yeah de mineralized plastics blue tablets with a filter and other things probably wrap up inside are great. But humidifier still has to be clean regular

[@DarkChild1758]

I live in the Caribbean. My tap water is 20 ppm. I have to add cal mag every feed

[@PeterKKraus]

It's not too late to use 4 or 5 different types of sugars in bloom. Maybe there will be a difference, maybe Black Strap is the best , maybe another sugar delivery to buds works as well or better. The results could really only be determined by sight, smell, and smoke. There may or may not be a difference in THC quantity. That would require testing. If you use R.O. to make a compost tea, it's no big deal. Distilled water has more potential for deleterious effects on your body's mineral content.

[@twobeards6714]

I make maple syrup and have processed 12 gallons of finished liquid gold. I've been adding it to my water and feeding 3 plants. I also have 3 of the same strain and am adding molasses to those. I'll see what happens in 6 weeks

[@PeterKKraus]

@@twobeards6714 That's exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. I've seen flowers get extra bloom just by dumping half a Coke aroind the plant. Are you in Canada or New England?

[@PeterKKraus]

@slackjawRegurgitate what Cletus? Having writing ability?

[@yunus1338]

Absolutely agree on his perspective on flushing. Man these series are freaking awesome.

[@pamelajohnson5056]

Great episode 😀 Vinegar wash is what your looking for. Trim visible bud rot. Then wash in straight vinegar. Shake excess vinegar from bud. Hang to dry. Happy Growing 🌱😀 P

[@twobeards6714]

Loved the content. Just a thought. . I recently cloned a determinate tomato plant called "4th of July. " Rooting happened in 4 days and the clones took right off. Some flowers were present on the mother and tomatoes developed and matured. The clones just plain stopped flowering, never developed fruit and I dumped them 40 days later. I firmly belive that this in similar to that ruderalis genetic that influences autos. Great show.

[@gandalf8216]

I've done experiments of trying to breed a strain more resilient to the stresses of revegging, with the purpose of creating a strain which can go into flower multiple times over its lifecycle, with the way too ambitious goal of "immortalizing" plants. DO NOT DO THIS, I still have regrets and I feel really bad for what I did to those plants. The cannabis plant is extremely prone to switch or even mix traits into new traits when put in situations such as revegging, or extreme stress, which makes breeding of such traits next to impossible. All you get is a strain which begs you to axe it early out of its misery. Maybe with some direct genetic modification I can see such a strain happening, but from breeding alone it's just plant abuse.

[@GrowmanceStory-de4yu]

Thanks for sharing 👍

[@bradharris2503]

@@gandalf8216 very interesting. So when revenging to make a mother, is that a big No-No now?

[@bokamaru]

Another action packed episode! Like Derek I'm in Ontario so I watched with interest the part about White Powdery Mildew. A previous guest, Graham from Canadian Leaf Genetics and his cultivar "Micah's Prophecy" seems to be a strain that naturally combats this problem. I look forward to growing a few of them this summer. Great informative content as always.

[@OperationBaboon]

If you want 0 ppm, you need to deionize the water. but when you ro/di your water, you have to add back an ion buffer (calcium carbonate, or sodium bicarbonate work well) and then add both, positive and negative ions in form of some alkaline and acidic components. if combined with a good dose of cal-mag that contains a range of micronutrients (or you make your own mix) you make the water active and useable for the plants and their root microbials. You basically have to prep the water before you add the nutrients. If you want to perfectly control the nutrient intake of your plants, this is the way to go, but be prepared to make many mistakes. dialling in the right amount of buffer, ions and the basic elements to make the water active is a steep learning curve.

[@mmccrownus2406]

John Kemp’s said rain water, RO and tested well water are ok. Other wise the quality of water strongly effect the power of foliars and nutrient uptake

[@rhize797]

Haven't done autos in years but always best to use a pot that transplants directly into the next pot like a thin felt, cotton or coco coir pot.

[@comfortablynumb9342]

I don't have an opinion on splitting stems to stress plants, but I do know that there's a bonsai tool called a trunk splitter that would be awesome for the job. Lots of bonsai tools are useful with other plants.

[@AMSOfficial79]

one of the main branches, towards the base of my plant, was splitting off the main stem due to weight. I propped the torn pieces together and let it sit. This 'split' branch is now larger and has a larger cola than the main. Anecdotal, but... there it is.

[@jamesdelucia7259]

Great episode, heaps of really nice content. Love your vids man!

[@RyanStonedonCanadianGaming]

14:32 I was thinking of using the water this way and use the r.o. for water changes of my aquariums. Win-Win.

[@I_Count_Twice]

The "wasted" water will contain all the stuff stripped from the RO water. So the ppms will be more concentrated. Need to be careful using for fish. Outside plants/shrubs/trees will be be fine because of soil buffer. But def use the dirty fish tank water from water change to feed plants all the fish poop. They love it.

[@T-money0985]

I have a Brio system that is only 1/2 gal of waste to 1 gal of RO water. I also collect and use the "waste" outside. And the meter with RO water, ya just add your basic nutes like calmag and yucca or a little A/B mix then test. I NEVER had any issues with my meter and RO water. Personally, I grow both organic and synthetic. Got 6oz off one of my last Lemon Diesel plants. I am synthetic from bottom feed and organic soil and nutes on top. I also don't fully flush or give X-hrs of darkness at the end of the flower. I only cut out the nitrogen during the last few weeks. I agree with Flushing is an emergency situation kind of thing. Thankfully, I have not had to do it yet.

[@p8ntballer117]

i use RO for the humidifier its the only way to go

[@martymcflyyy2504]

Keep up the good work guys! I've made some seedy bud in the past messing around with green headlights during the dark cycle. While them girls are sleeping they don't like to be bothered at all

[@elicopeland4364]

I have cloned an auto flower as in cut a branch and rooting them .The problem is the plant does not get any bigger it just continues from the point when you cut the branch off . It continues to flower. not worth it , you loose too much product . Tried it a few times with the same result .

[@BnMGarage]

It depends on the stage of the plant when you take your cutting. In my experience, I broke a branch while training in Veg. It was about an 1inch tall, and only had the node and two fan leaves. I planted the node in the ground with the fan leaves on the soil. Now it's about 10 inches tall inside of a 1 gallon pot.. what I've done to increase size, is to transplant it as soon as it reaches the bottom of its container. The plant will continue to grow until it hits the bottom of its container, and then it will flower. That is, if you took the cutting early enough.

[@bryanroberts]

Go watch the latest vids from Bill Ward. It's eye opening for sure

[@cjfredi]

Cool! Thank you both.

[@christopherpena42]

I was doing skywalker OG auto flower, and I had an issue with cloning them because they were the flower before the branches had enough time to get long enough to clone but once in a while, I was successful cloning an auto flower

[@larrygeran3156]

Thanks for the info!!

[@CausticCreations]

"information should be free" ........thx gro bro

[@keithnortje1720]

Fish pond water for the in and outdoor girls, nutes and all 🌴💥

[@comfortablynumb9342]

Dude you just keep the great content coming!

[@arkinner]

I just got into RDWC hydroponics. I had some hiccups along the way totally my fault not paying attention. Wk 7 of flower for an 9 wk plant and My roots incased my air stones and the plants drowned from not getting oxygen to the roots. Now I still had 1100 ppm in my solution at that time and had to pull the plants 2 wks early. They didn't have a fade at all and to my surprise the bud taste beautiful and burns great with a white light gray ash And is still potent. So I'm now confused myself on the whole flushing lol.

[@TonyMerritt-63]

Fan , student, and subscriber for a while now. As with the ice in flower, I had a girl @wk 10 and zero trichs at all. 3 days of ice I had trichs. She went 14wks and yield was 13 ³/⁴ z!!!

[@JamesD1776-uc]

I don't use any filters on my garden in the backyard or on my lawn. The lawn and garden have tons of microbes along with worms. Everyday you come out there you just see mounds of worms castings throughout the yard and garden

[@leftyz707]

Thanks chris great vid

[@DavidfromMichigan]

30:06 not entirely accurate. A leaf not getting enough light is actually taking energy from the plant. I always defoliate. Just about every time I visit my garden I will defoliate. The way I see it, the 1 fan leaf I remove, allows 3 or 4 smaller bud leaves under it to thrive.

[@spincitynyc809]

I cloned a Lemon Haze auto. It basically grew just like if it was allowed to develop as a branch. The one benefit was that it was the plant I sprayed to get seeds rather than put colloidal silver on a plant I plan to utilize. I would definitely do it for seeding purposes. it's also easier to separate the plant from the females.

[@ironindica7342]

I've been hearing that spraying your plants with silica is a good preventative measure for WPM

[@gtavtheavengergunnerlegend3340]

Just water in diatomaceous earth once a week it does wonders

[@ironindica7342]

@@gtavtheavengergunnerlegend3340 good to know! I haven't used either but I haven't had a problem yet 🤞

[@wademacdonald106]

When you use the sts spray can you smoke the buds? Once you use the pollen on the other mother plant? That will have the seeds in it Chris?

[@adrasengue469]

"final step" ... hahaha, nicely put! keep up the good work, PeACe

[@James25cook_]

I'm trying to clone my white widow autoflower right now. I have two of them in a humidity dome right now. It's been three days and there still green and upright possibly getting bigger. I'm new to cloning and Autoflower in general. Can't see any roots through the clear plastic pots yet.

[@duanefritts5240]

If temp and humidity are good you will probably see roots in like 7 to 12 days good luck 👍

[@photohotjock]

I have a water softener so there is a lot of added salt as that's what the softener added. So RO is what I use

[@js10582]

I think Bill clones while the autos are in the veg stage..these are just my thoughts but taking a clone in veg with a node or 2 branching off would grow bigger than an auto from seed only because the time it takes the seed to germinate and grow to the size of the clone would be a few weeks while the clone is established in a week or so growing with a bigger head start..just my thoughts..already with a few tops if u train it immediately after rooting

[@captainpeckerhead4551]

He topped an cloned an auto an came out very nice. I think he runs 24 hours light to I think.. Always enjoy Chris Thanks

[@weed_monster_grows]

Hell Yeah That’s A Game Changer definitely worth the money in my opinion for me it would be worth the peace of mind not having to stress about my drying process ever again. I love it Cheers Chris ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@ss-xv5cu]

Great episode!👍

[@johnappleby2182]

True fact..... , when I see cloudy trikes deep inside flower and amber only on sugar leaf, I begin flush for 1-2weeks till frosted white.... When harvested, dried and cured properly, The smoke becomes extremely smooth, and the smoke doesn't give a hacking choke, when held.... If I don't flush and harvest when ready, constantly feeding , THE smoke chokes me every time....the unused nutes also give me a bitter tongue after a single toke....my experience ....

[@royrobles6555]

Much love and respect

[@guido-tx1el]

great fun episode .good stuff guys

[@Miggeddy]

13:35 And plants dont pee It shouldnt flush sth out, but there are nice things in the water, that the plant could use

[@JT-un7dc]

I found it Ro helps keep the nutrients stabilized in synthetics.

[@katjoy9921]

I followed Bill Ward’s video on the cloning of the autoflower and was really surprised. And like TBL beliefs on flushing.

[@Miggeddy]

No flush in organic grow and the stomata of the plants need more time than 5 minutes to open, probably I have sth like 2 hours light in the head from school back then But i guess it depends on the plant, but just let the plants sleep ^^ But i never close my tent to 100% because of warm place

[@georgem.6136]

What a cool video!

[@meefvongrau9814]

Holy shit, dats Derk! :O

[@indoormagicgrows9486]

*****One again, unless we consume, look and smell each others final products its all subjective!!!********* !!! GREAT VIDEO !!!!

[@TheBudLab]

100%

[@julestburt]

Hello. I'm a newbie grower (5th grow ever presently) and love your show too btw! I would like to suggest that saying 'organics v synthetics' isn't really a factually helpful comparison. You can in fact have a completely organic sourced fertilizer, but then if it is chelated - it will kill soil life and also force feed the roots, bypassing nature. So the real comparison is 'living soil' v 'chelated' fertilizers. The synthetic 'chelated' process is specifically what kills soil life. Anyway, that's been my biggest learning as I'm growing in living soil, and until this became very clear, that it wasn't about 'organics', I was still having problems. Thanks for listening...Jules

[@chriswherry4322]

Great show!!

[@DhamiriMusic]

My Canadian brother lol ugh the black ash syndrome, thank you for the explanation from both of you, Thanks Chris about mentioning the tests on flowers and the leaf tissue tests. Its sad people shun completely great smoking flower all because they placebo themselves into being put off by the colour of the ash lol

[@TheBudLab]

White Ash doesn't always mean quality!

[@Gods_Pocket]

I can't use tap water. It's on a softener. I may buy an R.O. system but I currently use bottled water with recharge for seedlings and clones. After roots and mykos have taken, I use dehumidifier water. PH is a little high but I trust the mykos to regulate it for me. Works for now

[@Freedom_Born]

Awesome episode Chris. Lol Zach Galifinakis really pulled out all stops for this sit down

[@SmokeTeamTV]

About to watch this awesome interview can't wait 🙏

[@clbaird40]

That is insane what Bill is doing, he is a master for sure.

[@TheBudLab]

100%!

[@StickyDankFingers]

@@TheBudLab great conversation with Chris.

[@StickyDankFingers]

@TheBudLab #TheBudLab Just curious what wavelength(s) of IR are you experimenting with or which have you already determined work ?? Thank you.

[@llewellyncox_]

I have found sun drying rot suspicious plants after a wash before hanging them have shown great results ( we have 15% humidity) 🤞

[@ME-vn2vd]

Bill Ward is not only cloning Auto flowers but runs them under 24 hours of light.

[@diesomnia1234]

…AND playing drums for Black Sabbath!! 😆

[@invisible4405]

This guy is brilliant man. He sure does know what hes talking about. Immediately subscribed to his channel. Excellent show Chris 🥂👌🏽..you need to have him On again... The only 1 thing I disagree with is he said high THC/ resinous plants produce a dark ash & not white ash. NOT true..

[@PeacefulGrows]

He seems very passionate about growing! Seems like he found a way and learned to dial it in. he is Dialed boyz Thanks for the good pod like always I know it’s late but I am glad I saw this

[@TheBudLab]

CHEERS

[@Ben_here_b4]

R 😂…. In all seriousness this was a great interview 👏👏👏

[@TheBudLab]

Type R

[@shadeaquaticbreeder2914]

9:27 as a fish person the chlorine thing is a WAY bigger problem here, or at least is presented as such. But aside from a dechlorinator people will just aerate the water for a day. But if you do nothing and it is at a time when the chlorine/chloramine levels are high it will kill all the fish long before it kills all the microbial life.

[@TheBudLab]

100% chlorine in fish water is totally different then using chlorinated water for plants. All my indoor & young plants go through a filter. What I'm mainly talking about with chlorine is.. there is probably something else going on within your system over a chlorine toxicity.

[@shadeaquaticbreeder2914]

@@TheBudLab I know, I agree. I'm saying it's never a problem with the microbial life, that's the important part. Why would I think about a chlorine toxicity? And does nobody else ever have the thot that if our water is toxic to our plants and fish that maybe we shouldn't drink it? Lol, omg. I mean I AM talking about people that think .....

[@hopblessup5299]

Budwashing at chop is best when plant matter is healthy as well

[@tyvozar8229]

I've been running my sf200 and my roi e200 at the same time in my 2x4. one is a red spectrum and the other is more blue. i nearly got a whole lb this last grow.

[@tehhstylz8246]

My tap water ppm is 325 - 345 ish still gotta use 5 ML of cal mag a gallon of water evey watering

[@OGLOC1574]

In regards to fading. By my experience the plant fades regardless of flushing

[@TheBudLab]

I agree!

[@danv2207]

I have a question! Does cloning off a clone over and over really effect the plant over time? I seem to always get different answers. I'd suspect it does.

[@TheBudLab]

They call this "Genetic Drifting" and I don't truly believe this happens unless there is a stress factor "Environmental, Pests etc"

[@TheLordsBlood]

@@TheBudLab or maybe genetic stress

[@JT-un7dc]

Genetic drift can happen easily with unstable genetics or not taking healthy cuttings from the best plant.

[@hambiscuit9943]

Completely agree on the "flush" 👍

[@TheBudLab]

Cheeeers!