Garmin Raises Cade's FTP 35w in 6 weeks

Garmin Raises Cade's FTP 35w in 6 weeks | Cycling Coach Reacts

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Jesse Coyle

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@elmar7190 9 ай бұрын

Bro finally remembered his password🙏🔥

@sandrochiavaro7831 9 ай бұрын

Dude has a new born lol.

@RobelAlem-zu1fp 9 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@FF-gu7jz 9 ай бұрын

He is back, after six month! Yes 💪🏻

@paddybrown9561 9 ай бұрын

I think it is important to also consider Francis was an elite racer in the UK, a few years back now but this is someone with a history of riding bikes fast. And just reminding the body to ride a bit is going to be worth most of these gains.

@ACanette 9 ай бұрын

Yeah this is Just a former elite u23 rider being off training for a while and catching back to somewhat base. Weird ad for garmin as well, this would be only interesting for very untrained people. IF you want actual training you'd most likely not want to have this box of chocolates approach where you never know how long your training would take and how to work that around your day

@muyaho9151 9 ай бұрын

I agree with this . Considering his first ftp test result was already 3.5w/k and he was an previous elite rider , shows that he was basically gaining his fittness back. That garmin program can't apply to normal riders.

@michaelquinlan4817 9 ай бұрын

I would tend to agree with most of these sentiments. He is a somewhat talented individual to begin with. That in itself will mean his gains are a little better than your average person and much better than an untrained individual. ie. He responds better to stimulus than a lot of people. That all being said, if you just wanted to get generally fit these watches will do a good job of improving you without any real chance of injury or overwork. That's good right?

@82vitt 9 ай бұрын

This is something Jesse pointed to in his video about his training program for the nationals, that his ftp gains were fast because he was coming back to former fitness and numbers which he had already had in the past, and that he was talented meaning his body responds to training stimuli more rapidly than an average Joe's. Who if they copied that exact same training program, but weren't coming from a similar past background, would not see similarly fast gains. On the other hand, Ronald Kuba claimed his FTP doubled in his fist year of cycling training, but then again his background could have been another sports discipline at an elite level, which already indicates better than average predispositions to gaining/re-gaining fitness fast.

@CycleXplorer 9 ай бұрын

That's what I was thinking to, strong background

@thetinusnl8834 9 ай бұрын

My thoughts during yesterday's NERO show: man, JC hasn't uploaded in a while. Today: 🙏🙏🙏

@BikesKomsCRO 9 ай бұрын

A JESSE COYLE VIDEO.. NO WAY.

@hucklejoko 9 ай бұрын

I see you weekly over at the podcast, still nice to see you upload here once in a while.

@out_spocken 9 ай бұрын

Always liked your personality....but realising I like that your review and critic of people and things is professional. Stripping any attempt to belittle and demean, and explaining why you don't think what they or it is doing/does is correct. Bravo! Good to have a Jesse coaching vid to watch :)

@GravelHunter-wh6uv 9 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed that, it was great watching a video about somebodioes training experinance with the comments/input from a coach, transfered a lot of information without lecturing, more please ... oh and cudos for not watching before hand and editing out

@BreakawayB 9 ай бұрын

You heard it here first: Garmin watches increase FTP by 20% in 5 weeks! 🎉

@out_spocken 9 ай бұрын

Tell me it's a Garmin ad without telling me 😂

@Racer46theman 8 ай бұрын

So is Cade lying?

@migatron7359 9 ай бұрын

Never thought I’d love a video of someone talking about a video. But I love these series. As someone with a Garmin Epix, the calendar will change depending on the day you had prior. This “calendar” is a daily suggestion and is not based on the user putting in a “plan/goal” - that’s a seperate feature. Also, the suggestion is given in the morning. So if you have a long day & then decide to do the workout, it could change what is served up the next day.

@morrisizing 9 ай бұрын

I expect his ftp when he was racing E/C1 was much higher than 270. So the 1st test was well off his potential hence the fast improvement off little training load. His training history will help. I have some mates that have such a good volume of historic training & racing in their legs it doesn't seem to take long or much to get back to 85-95% of their previous levels (it's the next 5 or 10% that is the tough bit to find).

@Richz2 9 ай бұрын

He would probably have had a ftp of between 300/400w in the past so although he hasn't been training as such for a while he would be able to get back some of those watts quicker. As you said we don't know what hr etc from the 2 other tests but still a good improvement.

@JonReid 9 ай бұрын

The guy is a 60kg rider. An ftp near 400 would put him above world tour level. My guess is 300 would have been his peak.

@Richz2 9 ай бұрын

@@JonReid if his ftp was 236w 3.5 wk/kg that would make him 68kg wouldn’t it?

@JonReid 9 ай бұрын

@@Richz2 maybe now. I recall him mentioning he was racing at 60kms, but I could be wrong

@Racer46theman 8 ай бұрын

@@JonReidthat’s not really relevant. He was 68kg when we started the 31 day program

@JonReid 8 ай бұрын

@@Racer46theman it’s relevant to the comment I was responding to.

@HeyWattsUpCycling 9 ай бұрын

Easy explanation mate... prior higher capacity with poor testing consistency/familiarity. ie he under performed/unfamiliar testing initially, made minor adaptations during the month of "basically maintenance mode" if that, then gave a legitimate solid effort for the ending test. I believe 20min max tests should be done frequently (2-3x/mo), not necessarily to ultimately produce the highest figures, but to establish a solid mental perceived effort connection so you really know when your twisting the throttle vs when your just staring at your computer hoping it works out.... How many of us have done 20min tests and when we get to 19 or 19:30 your able to kick it up from say 300 to 350 or 375 for that last 1min? if you can do that you probably could have done 5 or maybe 10 watts more the entire duration and underperformed for your test.

@chrismadge7292 9 ай бұрын

Yes, practising tests makes you better at the test. Pacing (20 min test) and mentally tougher (higher pain threshold)

@zeuszuki6698 9 ай бұрын

Really enjoyed the breakdown, thanks Jesse 🍻

@maxjohnson0703 9 ай бұрын

Welcome back you were missed!

@sail5820 9 ай бұрын

Is it because Francis had a 300W+ ftp in the past, and the body just "remembers" ?

@tt-tk9076 9 ай бұрын

its this

@sander8794 9 ай бұрын

Indeed, the neural pathways have already been created in the past which will make it easier to re-create them.

@DanRoch 9 ай бұрын

Email to Garmin > Can you please detail what "daily suggested" workouts optimizes for in cycling? Answer: The Daily Suggested workouts are for customers that do not have a particular goal in mind but would like to improve overall fitness. It will not Improve FTP as this is a one off measurement metric, but it will slowly improve the weaker areas and build you up to a good level. Daily Suggest Workouts will take the following into account when suggesting workouts; Training Status Training Load & Load Focus VO2 Max Value Recovery Time Sleep Data Profile of Recently Performed Workouts Scheduled Races (This will only effect this feature on devices with the Race Event feature. Refer to your owner's manual to check compatibility)

@lloydryder8954 9 ай бұрын

It’s very niche, but would love to see your take on Rob Redpath’s training (amateur in Melbourne who does 20-25hr weeks year round it seems)

@chrismadge7292 9 ай бұрын

Good to see another training reaction video. Thanks Jesse, some useful insights in there.

@avalanx 9 ай бұрын

You're a legend Jesse, welcome back 👏

@Dustydayzz 9 ай бұрын

jesse underestimates his content on this channel...though i watch on nero weekly...i wouldnt mind u doing ur thing over here

@propo90 9 ай бұрын

Great to see you back on youtube :)

@Robertlavigne1 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for a video! Enjoyed this one!

@giobonjovi 9 ай бұрын

Love your point on "adaptations". makes total sense.

@HawkEurope 9 ай бұрын

From my experience with Garmin watches and using it basically for more than a year: They are very conservative. Most workouts are easy (like 55-60% for zone 2 rides, rarely up to 65%) and are probably meant for "normal people" - not fit cyclists. Basically always trying to play safe like no upper zone 2 (towards 75% FTP). Especially on the trainer, I rarely achieved their aerobic/anaerobic target by sticking to their duration and wattage. Also the "hard workouts" weren't really hard or long - this is also matched by Garmin's recovery estimation. Garmin may want me to do a threshold session like 3*8 minutes @86% - again very low - but I can easily do 3*8@100% FTP. But it's always lowballing in the zones (both wattage and duration). Also I rarely had any VO2 workouts from Garmin up to 120% FTP. But Garmin sometimes throws in a Sprint workout - most were easy (like the one Cade had in week 1) but some were also impossible like 30*10s @300% FTP.

@joemoya9743 9 ай бұрын

I have been following Garmin's recommendations for Running and Biking for 2 yrs. with about a 85% compliance and I can say without a shadow of doubt that Garmin's recommendations are accurate at helping maintain fitness level and/or improving fitness level WITHOUT injury or even a niggle. I could have followed a PE type plan and likely had similar results, but probably not without an injury in the process.

@crack0n 9 ай бұрын

True. And it will change workouts when you can't make it and skip a training

@michaelquinlan4817 9 ай бұрын

This! Listen to this if you're not going to pay for a coach or do a LOT of research yourself!

@crack0n 9 ай бұрын

@@michaelquinlan4817 having a coach is a complete different story. You cant really set goals in Garmin. It's good for the average joe who doen't want to think about "how to train". But that's it really.

@WariWahab 9 ай бұрын

It will have a goal for you and do the standard 4 stage planning in an adaptive manner when you have a prinary race date in your calendar. This also applies to running as well.

@joemoya9743 9 ай бұрын

@crack0n Garmin Suggestions, let's you set a goal with the race calendar. Daily suggestions are made relative to recovery (first) and ability (second). It appears to me that Garmin uses an injury avoidance calculation rather than exclusively performance based suggestion. It is also why most athletes frequently complain about it "being too easy," which is no different than what I hear from athletes complaining about their coach's suggestions.

@nicolas2838 9 ай бұрын

My Garmin constantly wants me to rest. As soon as I'm sitting on my bike it says rest 70+ hours and every morning it says "you did sleep bad so you need more rest time". However I ignore it and the rest time does not increase. So it does not matter if I was riding 20 hours or only 4. I need 4 days rest. About the boring part, i did enduco and it wanted me to 5 hour rides constantly which were super boring and annoying on the turbo trainer.

@payno24-7 9 ай бұрын

Jesse keep pumping out they vids, we love them

@marcelchaloupka 2 ай бұрын

Ok, Garmin has daily random suggested workouts and Training plans, I also believe the training plans are designed by coaches and when choosing a plan you select the coaches plans you’d like to use. There is no coach reviewing your progress but that’s where the watches data gathering metrics come into play to adjust the plans in accordance with that new data and with the predefined plans and the coaches requirements for that plan. The training plans are goal oriented and the daily recommendations are more general lifestyle health improvement. Both are adaptive as all the gathered metrics from the watch go into modifying the workouts be they daily recommendations and/or Training plans.

@Zozas_The_Cyclist 9 ай бұрын

Missed your videos!!!

@vitico1630 Ай бұрын

After 4 weeks into my training plan, exactly what he said that is exactly where I am…From 172W>184W-187W. I am ready to be trained lol, can’t wait for two weeks from today where I will be doing my next “Testing Week.”

@dylanl9532 9 ай бұрын

Garmin watches seem to follow a normalized distribution of intensity It always say I need more high aerobic (I think it means zone 3 and zone 4) work. Also Garmin watches always lower my VO2max when I don't do 1-2 min effort.

@nicolas2838 9 ай бұрын

😂 opposite here, my garmin watch constantly wants me to do low aerobic stuff and increases my vo2 max while it wants to decrease my FTP and my maximum heart rate, even though I reached the values the previous month easily.

@Paganizondaf650 9 ай бұрын

Same, it always wants more high aerobic. I guess the vo2 max decrease is because there is a good chance that you lose a few digits on that if you are not doing that much interval work or in general training less

@JonReid 9 ай бұрын

You recommend testing on day 7. What should you use as a baseline for the first 7 days? Previous FTP?

@terminative 9 ай бұрын

Would be interesting to see a super detailed comparison between different training plans such as stuff on training peaks, garmin, wahoo, zwift and trainerroad.

@SGTTEMPEST 9 ай бұрын

I'm messing around with this for running right now. I put in secondary and primary running events and it sets phases for training based on hitting the primary event. Base, build, and taper/race readiness. It adapts daily overnight to the load from the day and physiological metrics it tracks. It seems to get a bit jacked up right now since I'm doing cycling in addition to running so in what was supposed to be a more tempo/build phase I'm getting more recovery workouts in a row than I would normally go for. But in Garmin a trust so we'll see how it goes. Im really just getting back into it so a lot of the gains are going to be just from frequently doing the exercise. We'll see how this shakes out in 6 weeks. But I'm now banking highevel performance on this. Just to take the thinking out of what workout to do for now. Once I hity base fitness target I'll give it more scrutiny.

@DNA912 4 ай бұрын

As someone recently getting into shape, I think garmins recommended workouts are very good, as I think it's conservative as it probably aims towards people who might not have been in good shape for over 10 years, or ever been in. And it eases you in to not burn out. The majority of people starting to workout at first of January have quit buy December. Also, in my experience, if you start a dedicated program in garmin, it's slightly less conservative.

@EJD2012 9 ай бұрын

What was not clear to me, was if this 31 day was a Garmin plan of 31 days, or just a time period Cade choose. And if there was a goal to the plan, or if it was just a general fitness plan. If it is a general plan, without a time limit, I can see that there is a very slow buildup, where the watch gets the baseline set in.

@MrMysteryname 9 ай бұрын

The watch has “no plan”. It will continue to prescribe for months. It’s only to maintain your fitness.

@philadams9254 7 ай бұрын

Have you got any more training videos planned Jesse?

@ketle369 9 ай бұрын

As a Norwegian who known and done the Norwegian method since 1988 I say the watch does a very good job at structuring the training. Most people do way too much half hard sessions and not enough low or easy base / zone 2 training. This leads to burnout and/or injury (especially amongst runners).

@taithatas 9 ай бұрын

Yes Jesse reaction vid. Lets goooooo

@michaelb1716 9 ай бұрын

Great video Jesse!

@callahanfit 9 ай бұрын

I use the garmin watch for suggested running workouts. It’s very hit or miss. Definitely would not use this for cycling but running it’s ok

@morrisonmcqueen1364 2 ай бұрын

Interesting info. Thanks for this

@BorjaAOS 9 ай бұрын

Jesse please make a video of your experience with immersive waxing

@luxsasha 9 ай бұрын

The man remembered how to turn the computer on

@pierrex3226 9 ай бұрын

I have a Garmin fenix 6 pro and usually look at the suggested workout of the day. It's never learnt from the sessions I do, so if I routinely do vo2max sessions of 8x4min@110-125pc FTP, if it ever tells me to do intensities, it's always way less. Threshold sessions are more sweet spot than anything, and so on. Only exception being sprint sessions. Ultimately I use the info to know if the watch believes I should be doing a hard effort on a given day or not, sometimes it motivates me, sometimes it gives me an excuse to be lazy.

@chrisduffill5248 9 ай бұрын

So power meters needed to do the training , and a good system at home to do the FTP test I will see if I can afford all. This

@dropatrain 9 ай бұрын

He's a former racer. To expand on your ready to train, he probably had a 300+W ftp in the past and his body is just gearing up to get back into it. Lot easier to build back than to build new.

@kimwarner6050 9 ай бұрын

I'm now inspired to try this. My Garmin usually says I'm doing to much and to not work out.

@hellodisdat 9 ай бұрын

Jesse Coyle is the MorePlatesMoreDates of cycling I’m so stoked on more breakdown/review videos 😍

@starlitshadows 9 ай бұрын

Jesse, I saw on your review of Benji's vid you said that testing outdoors is better. I don't have a power meter on my bike yet so I do them on the trainer. What are your thoughts about doing an FTP outdoors on the trainer?

@greghart6310 9 ай бұрын

Some interesting insights Jesse, thanks.

@sheepdogcapital 9 ай бұрын

Jesse do you think there's a lower range for endurance workouts to be effective? Interested to get your thoughts cause i've been doing endurance rides at 50-60% of FTP and seeing good gains.

@melbournecyclingsegments7510 9 ай бұрын

I like this watch, very considerate. I am getting one. My coach (me) is a much bigger c&nt

@VendetaBrown 9 ай бұрын

Is it possible that the Garmin is prescribing rides based on overall stress that it detects, from either rides themselves or your everyday life? He mentions moving (physical labor) and those who follow Wild Ones know his Dad had health issues during the filming of this… that’s psychological stress, cortisol spike etc. It’s not just the rides that it’s taking into account… but your everyday life stress, sleep, etc. Is that right?

@out_spocken 9 ай бұрын

'25 watts....in a month!' sounded so Monty Python!

@julianism. 5 ай бұрын

What would be your ftp then if you wouldn’t do an FTP test on day 1?

@leslie7922 9 ай бұрын

The daily workouts give you a score and ask how you felt, I think they also adjust like when I have a crap sleep it turns to rest day

@TheCyclingCardio 9 ай бұрын

Comments on Tristan 28 days program?

@Karollenart 9 ай бұрын

Great content, as usual. I think no one on yt does better reaction videos. I think that with consistency you could achieve many views / subs. But I understand that you prefer your normal job than doing yt :)

@euroswilliams7303 9 ай бұрын

Guy who used to be fit enough to PIN numbers on but hadn’t trained, then starts doing something to find an increase, what a shocker.

@jimonhisbike 9 ай бұрын

The gel is styrkr is it newish brand from the UK

@benjaminwilson9193 9 ай бұрын

Garmin does have training plans geared towards an event (e.g. a Fondo on X date), but that isn't what Francis was doing. Having done both, I find the daily suggestions are fine, though barely enough to maintain, and the training plans are also fine, but if I am using an automated one rather than a real coach, Zwift's have been more effective more me. Still doesn't have the feedback of a good coach, but can be at least fun.

@cacagagksjs 9 ай бұрын

I WAS WAITING FOR THIS. THANKS

@CenaSitnica 6 ай бұрын

I feel like the next video should be about APE cycling :) his diet or maybe the bonkers ftp gains.

@crack0n 9 ай бұрын

After 3 month my Garmin watch gives me 1h base Mon, 1h base Tu, 1h with 55min@Z4 Wed, Thursady Rest, 1h base Fri, 6h base sat and another 6h on sunday. So it will change but it will stay with a mass of Z2 or Z1 rides.

@KamilKubik43 2 ай бұрын

What you are missing is that garmin DSW is not training plan, it just goes day by day and FTP test are not planned in it neither the 30 day duration

@lilylow17 9 ай бұрын

Might be interesting to check his sleep data too. Is he getting enough sleep

@matsvancoppenolle5796 9 ай бұрын

Yess!! Finnaly a new vid

@silverburn55 9 ай бұрын

After 3x heart surgeries, I use HRV as my sole indicator of how hard im allowed to train. 55+ = Z4, 40-55 = Z2,

@Gabrielle4870 9 ай бұрын

Wow is your HRV that low? Do you know what it was before those surgeries?

@silverburn55 9 ай бұрын

@@Gabrielle4870 When recovered its 60; the average for a 52yr old is 35.

@Gabrielle4870 9 ай бұрын

@silverburn55 crazy. My HRV on a good day is over 100. On a very bad day 60.

@silverburn55 9 ай бұрын

@@Gabrielle4870 How old are you? It varies a lot, even in the same age group.

@silverburn55 9 ай бұрын

@@Gabrielle4870 Small correction. In my age group the average is 45, not 35. So my well-rested 60 is above average.

@AcvaristulLenes 9 ай бұрын

My BS meter caught fire from the Francis video. Or, did we watch a sales attempt?

@AndyRides 9 ай бұрын

I do wonder who does these types of plans. For me I don't think I could be bothered. It might take away some of the enjoyment of riding. Would just plenty of volume work as well, if a little slower? With some high intensity up hills etc chasing club mates.

@brizziefritz4794 9 ай бұрын

That watch is absolutely brilliant, it understands cyclist-maths: Average watts used for a ride = Normalised power for said ride FTP told = Real FTP (although based on normalised power) + 10% + an extra 5 watts I think I can get away with Weight told = Real weight + 2.5 kg Training duration = Training duration x 1.65 Number of trainings per month = Said number x 1.5 No wonder he had to take a week off after 31 days.

@001HK0 9 ай бұрын

He went from 3.5 w/kg to over 4 in 6 weeks, not too shabby. EDIT: This assumes his weight didn't change at all.

@craigsmith5134 9 ай бұрын

Wasn't this guy a pro for a while? How does he start with an FTP of 235. Either nerfed the first FTP test or was really out of shape. If he was out of shape it doesn't take much to remind the muscles how to work again. How many of us regular guys have come back after a winter of sitting on the couch to 80 - 90% of summer in a few short weeks. Also, that ending FTP isn't much higher than mine as a slightly better than average 40yo so another point that he nerfed the first test and just got woken up over the course of a month.

@dickieblench5001 4 ай бұрын

Simon Warren gets everywhere😂

@StephanieLuff 9 ай бұрын

Yaaaay we missed you! Babies ruin everything 😂

@stuartmisfeldt3068 9 ай бұрын

I think he was sandbagging for his first FTP test. He also has a bit of an impish personality that may want to show how Garmin is inaccurate. I’ve done this with running on a Forerunner 240, and it was overly aggressive for senior citizen so with the 5k training plan, it was way off. It seemed to be setting me up for a race, as it did many Race pace intervals.

@ross88mac 9 ай бұрын

Yes mate!!

@gavinhazard75 8 ай бұрын

That isn't a fair representation, he was in the past fitter, it is easier to get fitness back, than to create from scratch

@infovidasupps8640 4 ай бұрын

Garmin FTP test is a 3:00 min and 10:00 test

@glennicol1361 9 ай бұрын

I always find my TSS is much higher when riding outdoors often 3 times higher...

@donwinston 9 ай бұрын

My Garmin is always telling me to take it easy. It assumes I'm a wimp. Xert is way harder. I used TrainerRoad a few years ago. It tried to kill me.

@michaelnoy4283 9 ай бұрын

Brilliant Jesse, give the other guy the push your better 😂

@CycleXplorer 9 ай бұрын

Seems incredibly dull, but worked for him. Although as it's been said he has a very strong cycling background that must have helped.

@RobelAlem-zu1fp 9 ай бұрын

Bro i was looking for a coach please reply jesse

@9psi 9 ай бұрын

Mine only gives rest days after stupid hard sessions.

@patrickj4747 9 ай бұрын

Rider with experience has a layoff then starts riding regularly I would expect their FTP to increase dramatically.

@dominicbritt 9 ай бұрын

Francis has always been a pretty well trained cyclist - so these gains are probably easy for him after a period off the bike...

@liquidSpin 9 ай бұрын

Garmin will ask you how you felt after a threshold test. If the user is honest Garmin will adjust accordingly. Yes, the more data you throw at watch the better. I use my Garmin Edge and Garmin Fenix 7 along with my Favero power meter to provide all the data Garmin needs to know if I'm improving, increase intensity, and recovery. Garmin knows how well I sleep, how much workouts I do and at what intensity along with blood oxygen, heart rate, respiration etc. over a few months of collecting and adjusting it will get closer and closer to understanding and giving you the right data and workout. People need to realize that it's not a wear it once and it automatically knows everything about you. The system needs to learn about you first and the more data it collects over time the better.

@jamiegiven 9 ай бұрын

He got better at testing.

@jefuteerx0216 9 ай бұрын

Just watching this video while doing zone 2 😂. Btw I think the last test was a ramp test so yeah

@cyc00000 9 ай бұрын

It's not selling Garmin plans to me. I'm kind of interested to see what his weekly CTL bump ups are like. I'd be finding another sport if a coach made things so boring with minimal load.

@Jhumanghjngg 9 ай бұрын

I fhe was really (re-)starting from 0 training load then it was barely minimal.

@filipmalecki 9 ай бұрын

35W in 6 weeks seems imposible. Even regaining fitness after some time of not training won't be that fast. Maybe he was well trained back in a days and layed down 2 months before doing the challange. I usually see ~15W increase in 4 weeks after detraining period and after hitting a ceiling it's more like 5-7W/4 weeks increase. However I do low volume of training overall, around 6-8h/week.😁

@joelecho 9 ай бұрын

Turns out if you've been a great cyclist most of your life, take a bunch of time off, and then start riding your bike again, you'll get faster. I'd wager he gets as big or bigger gain in that time just literally picking his own sessions.

@siyz250 9 ай бұрын

After consistently training and learning for the last 5 years, l have found, personally, ramp tests aren't all they are cracked up to be. If you test one day over another, the results have a relative big variance. This dependent on what you have been doing leading up to the test in training. How you have been eating leading up to and on the day of testing. Sleep over the previous days. Atmospheric conditions, and l feel most importantly, how motivated you are on the particular ramp test day determines what number you hit. And I feel the motivation part is huge. If I just carry out a ramp test just to see where I'm at, it will be way lower, maybe 15W than if I'm testing after a training block leading up to an important race. Then, if you have someone there watching you, always go harder as well. I would go as far to say that if what I have referred to on one day was worst case then say 2 days later best case, I would see 25-30w difference. Si, NZ.