Garmin RALLY XC vs Favero ASSIOMA PRO MX // Which SPD Power Meter to Choose?

[@blrun129]

I love Garmin products but for Power meter would be Assioma for me all the way, they do one product and they do it extremely well

[@WowRixter]

Ditto. I wonder when the next generation road pedals will come out without the pods?

[@stephenbetley9596]

@@WowRixter The duo shi aren't for sale on their site anymore, so Im guessing within the next 3 months. I'd be surprised if it's longer. They've obvious scaling issues with manufacturing atm though I think.

[@WowRixter]

@@stephenbetley9596 Never having held one of the MX pedals in my hand, just going from Llama's excellent reviews, it would seem that they could use the same spindle and swap out for SPD/PD, or LOOK pedal bodies

[@veganpotterthevegan]

As someone that's run way too many Garmin warranties, I don't even wanna be near them when I'm getting paid to be in their company. So I definitely don't wanna actually buy their gear. I have due to limited options and they've never even met my low expectations

[@toshman696969]

​@@veganpottertheveganas someone that has crazy amount of Garmin gear and 0 problems ever....also have ridden about 3000 miles with the rally xc had 0 issues.....certainly not buying a product from company that has 1 product out there. Plus everything works with one app. See zero benefit going to ass pro

[@lesreed1635]

GP Llama I have followed you for many years now and enjoy your content. You have always given a fair and balanced report on the items you test. In these days of influencers (if I can call you one ) you have a massive following and the company that ignores your comments do so at their peril. I hope that the company will read my comment together with other cyclist and reconsider their position and comment made in the letter to you. Keep on doing your deep dives into products as I’m sure your work is raising standards in the industry.

[@xaviermelendez2639]

Favero ASSIOMA hands down... completely bombproof! Have been riding their road power meters since 2018 and they just... WORK. EVERY. RIDE.

[@Micha112233]

I used mine for 2500hrs/ 74000km since 2017. No dropouts, no inacurracy. Battery charging intervalls are getting shorter. But still in like 3 month of riding!

[@randyandkeri]

Riding the Pro MX while I watch this video and couldn’t be happier. Looking for power based pedals and this is a no-brainer.

[@shepshape2585]

Time and time again the Favero Assioma power meter pedals beat the competition not only on price but on accuracy and functionality. Why anyone would buy any other power meter pedal is beyond me. I've had mine for about 4 years now and they're still amazing and as accurate as ever. Thanks for the review and for reinforcing Favero's dominance in the market.

[@gplama]

Proof a smaller player can get things right and make a great product that people love. 👌🏼

[@wfrx4783]

Swappable Pedal bodies was the feature that made me buy Rally Pedals when they came out. At that time, I had only a gravel bike and wanted to get a power meter. Pedals were the best option in my view, as they can be switched between bikes - if I ever decided to buy another bike. And the Rally XC were the only SPD Power Pedals at that time. A couple months later I bought a road bike, so I got a set of RK Pedal bodies to be able to have power on both bikes without buying another set of pedals (or another power meter). I regularly swapped bodies (like weekly) and that worked pretty good for me. Though I got fed up with the hassle and after I broke the small contact on a battery cover, I bought a whole set of Rally RK pedals when I found one on sale. So yeah, now I have 2 sets of Rally pedals (both dual-sided). Today, I'd probably go for the Assiomas instead. Or the new Look power pedals.

[@lexington476]

17:09 as someone who works in IT, I read that message as the polite version of 'there's nothing wrong with the equipment, you're not using it correctly' 🙂... It's all those super powerful sprints llama, you're overpowering the equipment 😎.

[@gplama]

Ahhh! So we DO have a figure for the power ranges these Garmin meters support! 🤔

[@RdashP]

During a ride I seem to regularly experience similar random drops to 0W with my RS200's while maintaining a steady 90rpm cadence at much more modest ~200W power-numbers . @GPLama where can I file a similar complaint at Garmin, to confirm it's not only you experiencing this strange Vector/Rally power dropout behavior? Please advice

[@CaptainLou19]

The only problem with the faveros is current availability

[@jessdunn196]

Great video Shane! As an owner of the Garmin, Favaro Assioma, and 4iii power meters, I'd rank them as Favaro 1st, 4iii 2nd, and Garmin not even 3rd.

[@lubistro]

I have purchased Garmin Rally 200 for all my bikes because it is all Garmin compatible with all my garmin devices without compromise or the risk of various possible surprises in the form of future updates or patent disputes.

[@RenedeDon]

When I got my Rally XC's a few years back I REALLY wish Favero would have had the Pro MX's. I loved my Assiomo Duo's for road and did the various hacks (from here!) which worked mostly but wasn't a fan of shaving off bits of my shoes. Garmin's app, yeah, I despise it. Having to drill down and remember where things are (I also have a watch from them) is frustrating and I just want to grab data as fast as possible without packing a lunch. I loved Favero's simplicity and single minded approach to the product and miss it, a lot. That being said, after watching this I most definitely will be going back to Favero. THANKS SHANE!

[@jeskli11]

You're giving Garmin the best feedback they can get and every chance to make their products better. Their response? Not sending you a Tacx Neo 3M.

[@daniel_001]

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you very much.

[@frazergoodwin4945]

I've been using my Vector three (left hand only) spindle's since they became available in 2018 and "upgraded" to Rally XC bodies when that became an option. So I share your ambivillance. They have served me very well - especially in training and controlling my power on early days of multi-day bikepacking rides when it would have been very easy to have gone way too hard too early if riding on feel. But. They have also had "quirks" with drop out, strange spiked readings towards the end of battery life, and a lack of complete reliability. Its not that they have failed me, far from it. But if there is another pedal on the market that has resolved these issues and improved on the Garmin offer, I will be looking there as I look to replace my pedals now that are reaching the end of their rather long lifespan...

[@gplama]

Are you using x2 LR44 or 1x CR1/3N option?

[@frazergoodwin4945]

@@gplamaWhen I can find them I use CR1/3N, but even in Brussels "the Capital of Europe" they're not easy to source so mostly it's been two LR44 instead I can buy easily...

[@coldfootfun]

I have the assiomo duo pedals and I’m extremely happy with the data I get with them. I did the Xpedo SPD hack featured in one of your videos and they are perfect for the gravel riding I do. I did have to replace the Xpedo bearings after about 5k miles but I’ve ridden in some seriously nasty condition and Probably should have serviced them earlier. It was a $30 reset/ no biggie. I’m going to get a pair of the new Pro duo’s when they become available. I’ve been putting off buying a new pair of gravel shoes just so I didn’t have to notch them for the inner power assembly on my existing set. Great tech, function well.

[@lubistro]

It is common in the technical documentation to state the specification x7 only, because if it meets 7 water resistance, it is unnecessary to state the category of resistance to ingress of dust.

[@aaronwfrisch]

I've had the dual sided Favero's on my road bike for over a year now. Great pedals, super reliable and cheaper than the competition. If they got damaged, I would buy them again over any other pedal or crank power meter setup.

[@bradallen8643]

Well done Shane. Tell it as it is. You have played fair and Garmin have shown their colours

[@MichaelSnasdell]

"I don't wanna be too much of a prick"..... Haha love it! I'm sold on the Favero's now, can't wait to get some. Ruined my hacked Assioma's the other month changing the bodies, and threaded the right side. Forgot it was reverse thread, doh.

[@aphinion]

Thanks for putting this work in. I now know what to get and it ain't a Garmin!

[@roberttobin7342]

There have been at least 5 revisions of the Vector/ Rally battery door that we have seen. Likewise with Powertap (even though the last versions on those are called V3). Having rechargeable batteries gets rid of those problems.

[@matserdingud]

Thanks for the great video! Since they have this great version of a SPD pedal, I wonder if they have an equally great updated SPD-SL version in the makes?

[@rasherdk]

It seems only logical that they would, though Shane is obviously not going to be able to answer that question. If they come out being spindle-compatible with the Pro MX (meaning you can simply buy a second set of pedal bodies and have both SPD and SPD-SL), they'd really be eating Garmin's lunch. Which again, seems like a pretty logical next step.

[@bokamstrup3101]

Great work, one of your best ones and that says a lot.

[@robertg.5932]

I am very happy with my v3...they are within 3 watts in average compared to my neo1, which is one of the most accurate pm out there. I use cr 1/3n batteries which last about 150 hours.

[@LukeRichardson1981]

You'd think that companies would recognize the size of your audience and not just brush off your concerns in such a way. Doesn't really strike me as the kind of company that really is willing to respond to customer concerns. Super happy with my two crank spider power meters (Sigeyi AXO and Magene P505) that I bought primarily based on your recommendations, so if I ever switched to pedal based power I know which one I'd be going with as an SPD rider.

[@georgeisenbarg8302]

I am not in the market for a power meter pedal but I did enjoy your video. Not pulling punches is your style and I truly appreciate it. Great video! One question, which has a better life due to abuse, crank based or pedal???

[@ojtamno]

thanks for this video! I just wondering if SPD/MTB power meter is a thing for me and here comes a bulk of interesting insights! PS.: That makes me also wonder why Garmin didn't send you the Neo3 for testing ;-)

[@joelberman5981]

Don’t apologize for finding problems. You glossed over all the dropout issues with the vector petals not to mention the battery door issues. After a few years of using the vectors, the plastic bodies started to wear away such that my foot wobbled in the pedal. I’m very happy with Assiomas now

[@dakalla]

Well.. it is in line with my experience with a lot of Garmin products i used in the last 10-15 years. Lots of flaws and bugs that never get resolved, only in a new product that then again has different flaws. And lets not talk about easy usability on the software side of things in their apps, watches, gpses, cyclingcomputers. Getting a bit better though, but slowly..

[@kvloover]

the saving grace for garmin for now, is the shimano SL cleet :) I own a set of garmin rally's and it's the one thing holding me back from jumping on the favero wagon

[@ohmps01]

I specifically bought the duo shi to build some spd power meters (with some deore xt t8000 bodies, or later changing to dual sided deore xt bodies) using a special made metal spacer. I specifically got them because I NEED the greater Q-factor. I was using SQLAB wide SPD pedals before. And tbh, considering me paying below 500 € for dual sided SPD Power, I am more than fine missing PCO and the 10h of battery live.

[@BananaChipzzz]

I got rid of my Rally XC. Best decision I made. They were squeaky pieces of crap. Apparently it’s common. The Faveros weren’t out when I did, so I went to a crank based pm and Shimano spd pedals.

[@EagleEye-MJG]

VERY common and Garmin even tried to post a half-hearted fix on their website.🙄

[@BananaChipzzz]

@@EagleEye-MJG ya, “use cleat and pedal lubricant “. What a joke

[@roadkill_toronto]

This was more informative than I thought. Thanks.

[@jonathancooke542]

Thanks so much for this video Shane. This has been on my mind for a while now. Do you know if the SPD-SL assioma is due for an update soon, the spindle on the MX looks way better.

[@gplama]

No word on what other pedal bodies Favero are possibly going to offer in the future. It was the first question I asked when seeing these new spindles too.

[@stephenbetley9596]

I get the impression that the big manufacturers are throwing a hissy over the little guys showing their products up. How dare you. Just buy our shit and be grateful. On a technical note the Garmin have the power in the body and electronics in the spindle. Under high torsional forces it's possible that power bridge is broken, hence zero cadence/power. Just a thought on why they think it's a resolution for a future product and one thing Favero have nailed. Keep up the good work, annnnd breathe.

[@byrnze1710]

This is exactly why we need dedicated people like yourself to dig in to the over priced products that don't do what they say on the box. Champion effort Shane

[@Damae138]

Great video :) sadly i got myself the single sided Garmin pedals last year, would have waited for the assioma's if i would have known:) so far the experience with the XC garmin pedals is okay but i notice some weird power readings now and then. Sometimes dropping as low as 90 to 100 watts in a few seconds to jump back up again later. calibration and settings are all done often... but so far i cant find the problem

[@stephenbetley9596]

As a quick aside, do you know of any SPD pedal bodies that would fit on the duo shi? And would the bodies of the pro mx fit on them? Maybe one to test and a fun investigative video. Noticed Favero don't offficially sell the Duo Shi on their site any more. Have they officially discontinued it?

[@gerrymcbride6429]

@stephenbetley9596 they are on there right now.

[@JackFou]

The issues with the powder/cadence dropping makes me wonder: does that also happen when the pedals are combined with the dedicated cadence sensor that straps to the crank arm? When I bought my Garmin edge device, it came as a bundle with speed, cadence and heart rate sensor. I only purchased the pedals later. I didn't even realise that the pedals themselves measured cadence. Unfortunately the garmin device and app are very unclear about whether data for cadence or speed is being pulled from the dedicated sensors or the GPS/pedals. I'm more of a recreational/weekend rider myself, favouring endurance cycling over hard sprints so I've never noticed any of these issues... then again, I've never bothered to look into the data that deeply.

[@ruiloureiro3167]

Garmin being Garmin 😤😤😤

[@christopherbeattie263]

Rotational weight doesn't make any performance difference. News flash - we don't accelerate as fast as we think we do. Weight is weight. Oh and also, those Garmin pedals are rubbish regardless of weight lol. Great review as always Sir Lama.

[@rongurney48]

Garmin's ho-hum response to your comments on the XC suggests their future attitude regarding their power meters in general - they have been overpriced all along and now that Assioma has come out with the superb Pro Mx, Garmin will have to decide if it wants to compete in that market and hope that the fewer people that see this review, the better, for them.

[@iamZwosh]

My Rally XC bearing died after a lot of riding after 1 year. Battery life is quite great but thats it. Let's see what the Warranty-Service at Garmin does to solve this. I will try Favero for sure, they worked quite fine on my roadbike the last years. Garmin-NO Favero-Yes

[@IEDProductionsI]

Favero is going to dominate the market when it comes to powermeter pedals.

[@strouja]

Thanks Shane and great job. If my Lauf gravel bike did not come with a power meter I would buy these new Favero SPD pedals

[@gplama]

Which power meter did the Lauf come with?

[@strouja]

@@gplama it came with a Quark. I think it is chain ring power meter. It is trouble free and always registers with wahoo head unit. It takes a coin based battery (maybe CR-2032) and the battery is protected by a rubber cover For the price and quality I don’t think any brand beats the Lauf for gravel bikes. The bike is amazing.

[@engnelsito]

Garmin vectors got a lot of hate for their flawed pedal bodies (mainly the plastic battery compartment threads) and the problems with the battery housing, but to my experience, those issues were all fixed on later releases. I had no issues whatsoever after switching to Rally bodies, and I never experienced the cadence dropouts you are showing (my peak sprints appear fine), but the data you show is in fact worrying. However, there are now no valid reasons to buy the Rally, as the Favero are cheaper, lighter, and offer at least as mush functionality as the Rally (or even more), with a well known good customer service, so it is really a no brainer. Competition is always a good things as it will certainly force Garmin to adjust the prices, as they are now really overpriced as are the replacement parts. Also looking forward to see Keo and/or SPD-SL versions of the Favero with the new spindle as a refresh to the current Assioma and their bulky pods.

[@qingyuhu]

Assioma hands down! Not even close!!! The sad part is Garmin's higher price plus poor customer service, I really hope my Tacx Neo last a very long time because if it dies I'll be getting another brand. I jumped off the Garmin train long time ago.

[@MartinYang]

Great vid👍. Magene made P705 power meter pedals. Do you plan to review them?

[@gplama]

They’re a China only product. Apparently they won’t activate anywhere else.

[@kevinriseborough1521]

No problems with cadence drops on my Rally XC, but I couldn’t sprint the skin off a rice pudding 😅😂 Having said that if I were looking for a MTB xc and gravel pedal I would be buying the Assiomo

[@Xhadp]

Garmin support is usually really good given the suite of products they offer and is based in a regionally significant area over using outsourced India cellphone support. Shame that you experience didn't go that way. And yeah Garmin is not right for saying that since this issue is being brushed away since it was replicated on only one product because nobody is going to be buying a second redundant product that is effectively doing the same thing as the first not exactly groundbreaking to begin with when you are priced your products well in 4 figures. Please I beg of you Garmin, make your product $500 MSRP and availability for popular local retailers for markets with at least 1mil+ population. So absurd that retailers can sell all of your bike computers and other equipment but are always out of stock with the Garmin Rallys. At the end of the day they are both power meters so it isn't like it is an earth-shattering night and day difference so I'd say that puts more weight on the areas that would be concerning for you like supporting local retailers, support, or even price alone.

[@StrategyPerformance]

@GPlama A question. With the vector 3/Rallyes - if I am using a cadence sensor attached to the crank arm, does this negate the issue with the in-pedal cadance sensor? Ie when the power gets reported it picks up the proper cadence and so reports that? Or is the problem with the calculation within the pedal itself, and therefore an external cadence sensor would make no difference?

[@gplama]

No difference.

[@kkostasgr]

I'm completely disappointed by garmin. Had spend 1200€ for the rally XC and in three years I was left without a power meter three times already for about a month each time. Last problem was a complete joke. I've lost the power cap holding the battery during training and for a month now the part hasn't arrived yet at the local dealer. I have already decommissioned the rally and moved to the favero mx. When the part comes I will put them on sale. I've been using the favero assioma on my road bike 4 years now without a single issue having put more than 25k klm on them. For me garmin is good only for the bike computer and wearables. Power meters never again.

[@ShaneAlfreds]

Interesting issue with the Garmin cadence dropouts during sprints. I've been using the Vector 3 dual sided and Rally XCs dual - both within a couple months after they came out on the market - and I've never seen this issue. I've used my Vectors both on road and at the velodrome and my sprints are in the range of 1600-1800 watts over 5 seconds. I've used my Rallys for CX racing with starts being over 1400 watts. Maybe I'm just lucky and got 2 good sets of pedals?

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Now favero just needs a conversion kit to shimano road 😅

[@jkotsche7035]

Does the Favero pedal capture power phase datapoints like their road pedal version? From your testing I would say Favero is the winner on both $$$ and technical superiority. When will they be back in stock?😁 Thanks Shane!!!

[@gplama]

Yes. Full Cycling Dynamics on the Pro MX.

[@georgeisenbarg8302]

I was wondering if you made a video of your pedal stroke? Maybe the issue has something to do with the smoothness of your pedal rotation? Is it possible your stroke is confusing the pedal? Listening to the audio of your gritting teeth sprint I can hear the rotation stalls clearly. Just to ensure this is not the issue maybe you can get someone you know with a very smooth pedal stroke to test them...

[@mohamadjamil3164]

Hello. Do you think that favero will release a new powermeter for road bikes soon? Am about to buy one and concerned that the new one is coming out soon

[@gplama]

No word yet. If they do release anything new I’ll cover it here as soon as it arrives.

[@MrKipperfish]

How do the Favero pedals perform in sticky and thick mud? Specifically thinking of CX scenarios where multiple dismounts and remounts leave a pedal absolutely packed and caked with mud. Many pros are rumoured to ride XT over XTR based on their ability to better shed the stuff in races. When pedals get caked, slamming your cleat into the pedal can be the only way to knock dirt off and clip back in. Not exactly ideal treatment of a power meter 😂 Do you have any info about Favero having tested their pedals in CX scenarios?

[@pewwpew]

Enjoy the deep dive into the details and appreciate the hours behind the scenes it takes to make these videos thanks shane 🦙. I had a similar vs with road pedals and purchased the Assioma duo road pedals based upon your issue and also reports of Garmin reccomending a manual offset every ride due to temp (sounds like they have improved this now via firmware which is good news) the Assioma's have been awesome and can't see why its worth spending more on the Garmin pedals

[@gplama]

The temp compensation update to the Rally was something I contributed to after having issues when leaving the bike in the sun while having a coffee. One pedal was in the shade, the other in full sunlight. Caused some minor dramas. 😅 I wasn’t able to replicate it after they pushed a new firmware. 👌🏼

[@marksticky0688]

​@gplama is this firmware update available for the vector 3 version too? Thanks.

[@garthmci7914]

Great video. Going to throw my Rally’s on a bike with PM cranks and compare as well. Have had them replaced once already after one pedal completely died Do you have any issue with clipping in and out on your Rally XC? Mine work ok, but are way stiffer to clip in/out than my Shimanos. Not the spring tension, more that the cleat/pedal interface didn’t work as well together.

[@MTw-ps2ds]

Are they sold out completely or what? On the assioma page they are out of stock and 3 other websites say the same. 😢

[@veganpotterthevegan]

I've despised my Vectors since before I ordered them. I knew they'd be bad and they have been even worse than expected

[@LarsGrnberg]

Which camera shoots the video from the training videos in the review?

[@gplama]

Typically all my on-bike footage is from a GoPro.

[@ulrikmortensen9426]

Garmin is lots of trouble, usually serious. Favero pedals always work, are precise and ultrareliable

[@loko__loko]

good thing I don't sprint..... but maybe soon... Garmin should send another for a last test......

[@JakeyDill]

The Garmin being inferior at twice the price will be getting a miss from me. Where can I buy favero in Australia?

[@ChrisCapoccia]

wishing there was some power meter pedal options for crankbros… must be some technical reason why it doesn't work

[@gplama]

Possible licensing hurdles?

[@mikesuarez9780]

Do you dare do a video on the Pro MX vs. The Assioma/Xpedo conversion??

[@gplama]

That could be a bit of fun. No shoe hacking required for the Pro MX!

[@MarkArthur]

Lama is better than hambini. Both are great technically but lama is just a better person.

[@squee666]

hey Shane heres a question, have you compared the favero assioma spd mod vs the pro mx

[@gplama]

Not in any review format here on KZbin. I’ll add it to the list.

[@indysbike3014]

Can you change the body on the Garmin to a dual sided pedal? I need one side to be flat to use with normal shoes and the other side spd.

[@gplama]

There’s no official pedal body option for that. Maybe there’s a hack out there somewhere for it.

[@henninga.9996]

Assioma all day. I will swap my Garmin XC once I get a pair. The XCs are squeaking like hell and the height is too much.

[@talltubefull]

Expecting a product to work and having the company give BS answers is typical these days. Clearly, they know of the issue yet decide that the proper answer may hurt their company. And then their second response is to “blame you”. Shame on you Garmin.

[@matthewblue7839]

Can anyone explain why power metres are so expensive: just manufacturers’ gouging ?

[@gplama]

They’re extremely hard to get right. And then support for the lifetime of the product. They’re a LOT cheaper than they were 10-15 years ago.

[@Csapi007]

A video about the new Wahoo dark mode?

[@gplama]

Soon. Just getting back on my feet after a recent trip away.

[@Main.Account]

Faveros seem like vaporware. Not available anywhere, but supposedly in a “couple of months”. Perhaps manufacturing problems or issues hitting their price point in volume?

[@proffate]

I think it's just hard to guesstimate the initial demand. Even bigger companies get this wrong. Plus selling out adds a little bit of buzz to the release.

[@chrisridesbicycles]

I looked into my XC200 data and did not find problems like that. Is it a widely reported problem? The service quality of Garmin sounds horrible but I almost expected that.

[@gplama]

Apparently not widely reported enough to resolve it with the two sets of spindles here.

[@mjokffsgfjs]

Maybe was your monthly tickets lead to no media demo set of Tacx Neo 3M.

[@gplama]

Who knows. I certainly don’t.

[@nssomething8370]

My Garmins work well as a power meter, but they are horrible horrible pedals. They have sent me two replacements, but the squeaks just come back after a few hundred kilometres. The only way to make them bearable is to use enough white lithium grease to make them absolutely disgusting. I will get the Favero as SOON as they are in stock and ditch the Garmins forever.

[@martinlevy5833]

Magene c606 review pls

[@gplama]

It’ll be a few weeks at the minimum. Still waiting on the new firmware to get pushed to the unit I have.

[@martinlevy5833]

@@gplama thx for info.

[@TheBRad704]

Why in the world would anyone knowingly choose the SRM or Garmin pedals at this point?

[@ebigarella]

"They are both jewel sided"

[@gplama]

First time hearing another accent? Tidy up.

[@EagleEye-MJG]

One SQUEAKS RIDICOUSLY (Garmin) and hopefully the other does NOT! . P.S. These Garmin Rally XC200 will squeak regardless of shoe, weather, grease, water, God, The Holy Son, & Christ Almighty. I'm on my 2nd pair & they started to squeak 2 weeks after I got them.

[@markhardacre1]

Seriously? Not rechargeable you have to replace batteries in 2024?? Did I miss something?

[@JPatteri]

Garmins have that squeak-problem.. very annoying.

[@lincolnlu9869]

Just feels like SRAM should get into this space after buying Time pedals...

[@LuciTulcea]

What a disgrace from Garmin! Not further investigating the problem because only you reported it!🤦 That's alright! We'll buy Favero "Axioma" then!

[@lucasg2895]

Shame you didn't post these findings on Garmin's forums under anonymous username and see all the paid shills and defenders come attack you for raising valid points. As they tend to do. You might get banned for it too.

[@gplama]

I have a lot more to say on them…. But I was already ranting too much! 😅 They seem to be fine for sub 1000W sprints and steady-state efforts. They’re a popular Tri/IM pedal for this reason. The band name helps a lot in those disciplines too.

[@luisrauldefreitas]

Garmin did me wrong with vector 1 and 2... I will never ever buy anything garmin again

[@sand9577]

It's a power meter pedal whose precision greatly exceeds whatever control you can exert over your own body. It's what? a 6 second drop over a 3400 seconds long activity, that's less than 1% of the information that was "lost." This is just nitpicking. It's not "mission critical" information, you're not going to crash or lose any race for those Watts that weren't read. Yes, it's an expensive piece of equipment, but it's a toy a best, it doesn't warrant a level scrutiny that's reserved for actual critical components. I'm pretty sure out in the field you're not going stressing over those watts. I sure as hell won't.

[@gplama]

Well.. that’s an interesting take. And your thoughts on their customer service?

[@proffate]

Well you're right about that, if you ask me to pedal at exactly 300w blindfolded I'm likely to be at least 10% off. Then again the blindfold didn't cost $1000

[@sand9577]

@@gplama All customer service is crap at my country.

[@edudutra]

I bought a XC200 back in April and they presented an issue with battery drain seven months later. Garmin (or better, the Garmin representative in Brazil) replaced them in less than a week. Now, they seem to be working fine. I keep track of battery duration and the ones that came with the pedals lasted 104 hours. Current pair are working for 94 so far. About cadence drops, didn't notice anything. Love the pedals but, if I was buying pedals today the Faveros seems to be a no brainer.

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Now favero just needs a conversion kit to shimano road 😅

[@paulhaughney7511]

Really disappointed with Garmin, I really love the asterisk of the pedal not having a pod and just looking like an average pedal. I have wanted to buy them for a few years, but they never seem to just fix the few issues they have with them. Do you think Favero will have a no pod road pedal soon? I know you know 😂

[@eunos1800]

Great comparison (as per usual), ASSIOMA PRO MX could offer a time travel function as well, but as no one can buy them (never any stock anywhere) it's all pointless

[@gplama]

Time Travel will be part of Cycling Dynamics v2.0. 😉

[@cheeheifoo9282]

Thanks much. So I did buy the Favero! No regrets so far.

[@Longtimerolling]

Nice review. I'll have to check out the Faveros.

[@obikedog]

So glad I never even considered Garmin pedals! (I love my Edge 1040 solar though!) My Pro MX's work perfectly too - as expected. I have the Duo's on both my gravel and road bikes for years - 30k+km - with no issues. I guess there will always be people happy to pay $450 more for a sub-par product as long as it's big-name branded - but that won't ever be me!

[@proffate]

The part that has me riled up is thay garmin hasnt touched the tech in 7 years and they still think they can charge some insane mark-up for the same old thing (which apparently never functioned properly to begin with). This is not serving the customer, it's just attempting to take advantage of a lack of competition. Thank you Assioma for doing what tech is supposed to do, make progress!

[@DEXVD]

Very interested in getting a pair of the Faveros for my gravel bike but wondering how they would hold up on my MTB are there durability issues with a lot of pedal striking with pedal power meters? I mtb in very rocky terrain and my cranks and pedals take a beating.

[@glenni249]

If you find yourself in a pinch for some fresh batteries for your Garmin pedals, battery world in Cairns carries the CR1/3Ns, so likely would in your neck of the woods. In saying that, I can't imagine they're turning them over particularly quick, so could be well aged.

[@andromada2282]

Hey Shane, this is a fantastic video! I had been using a Vector 3S power meter, and my experience wasn't great. I kept encountering dropouts, and although Garmin support provided replacement products regularly, I reached a point where I had enough and switched to an Assioma Uno. I've never regretted it since! Now, I'm eager to buy the Assioma Pro MX pedals, but unfortunately, they're currently out of stock. I hope they'll be available soon! I find Garmin products to be quite overpriced - my local bike shop was pushing me to buy Rally XC pedals because they have them in-store and offered me a "discount," but considering Garmin's poor track record in terms of quality control and durability, I don't think it's worth it. I am wondering if you have any insight on when the Assioma MX pedals will be in stock?