Garmin Wrist Based Running Power is Here! - Compared to Apple Watch Ultra, Stryd, COROS, and HRM-Pro

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[@kingjustice1831]

Hi Dave, the question is - “why did Garmin make this change?”. My guess is that most of their competitors were offering this feature natively with no additional sensor and so Garmin had to course correct. They didn’t want to - they HAD to.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Yup you're right. I'm glad they had to though!

[@ArvindJuneja]

That's the power of the competition. Ultra showed how much it can do - and how accurate - without a strap, you need to fight back.

[@kingjustice1831]

@@ArvindJuneja 100% correct. I can attest to that as I just replaced my T7S with the Ultra.

[@mikeydurden]

You sure you've owned Garmin anything? Your commenting like an Apple fanboy on everything recently. Just a heads up neither company cares about you. I prefer Garmin, Android and Xbox.

[@kingjustice1831]

@@mikeydurden I’ve owned a few Garmin Fenix models and recently sold my T7S. Thank you for your comment.

[@Eon0007]

I use 'Garmin Running Pod' which for the price gives a WHOLE bunch of extra metrics as well as Power for only a little extra cost. So whatever you use as long as the data is stable and consistent surely that's what you need.

[@si4928]

this is a welcome addition to the latest garmin watches, if they can work on smoothing out some of those seemingly random spikes it could be great. Now wishing for a power standard to be agreed on now that all the major brands offer it on the wrist. Really love that GAP has been added too which is going to be super handy for those that would prefer to stick to pace.

[@kimwarner6050]

I don't understand how they are accurately calculating this. I'm also a cyclist and have a power meter on my road bike. I know that data is accurate and has been verified. In cycling power is measured by force and torque, and a whole lot of other things. A wrist watch can in no way measure power from your arm for your legs. To be honest they would have to design something that goes into the bottom of your shoe to get any real power numbers. Appreciate you as always

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Right, the Stryd Pod attached to your shoe (shown in this video). These watches use a combination of sensors+GPS data to derive the same information. In some cases it’s pretty darn close to the Stryd!

[@hanstenberg]

Happy to say that watt is something that polar vantage v2 already have. Very happy with polar watt value.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Yep, Polars Power value is also very similar to Stryd/COROS and Apple.

[@iberiksoderblom]

I got my 945 specifically for ultras and it has done good. And I will absolutely update the firmware, if/when its possible to get the power readings. At the moment I'm using the power numbers that I can get from Runalyze and have used them to improve my running form on even ground. Runalyze is a great tool !

[@jbs2ki]

Again , thanks to the Apple ultra .😂 you made Garmin to do this 🎉

[@vessela7484]

I think you mean Polar Vantage and Grit X? I think this would have been in development for a while, since Polar had it first, I doubt Garmin just decided last month to implement running power.

[@mathewrose2951]

Coming from the cycling side where watts are measured with a strain gauge in the pedals or on the crank arm, the best thing for those who are "tri" curious would be to correlate the watt values shown for running with equivalent effort levels on a bike. I know that the difference in biomechanical efficiency between the two actions can account for some difference, but it shouldn't be vastly different.

[@nowster]

I think they need to fix the bugs on the FR955 first before adding this feature. I had to get a RD Pod to work around the cadence recording bug introduced about six weeks ago. The latest beta fixes that but there are other minor annoyances, eg. crashes when you use navigation. PS. I always listen to your podcast on my weekend runs.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

I'll bet the 955 gets a pretty significant firmware update soon. Time will tell. Thanks for following along!

[@igori3532]

I've discovered this feature on my fenix (I'm not a runner, so I've seen the stat and got exited). It kinda correlates with my cycling power output for the given HR zone. It kinda similar to my PWC test on ergometer, so I get more or less adequate W/kg value. I think all in all it's nice to have for hobby runners )

[@danscape]

This just installed as an update for me today out of the blue. I've been using the Stryd pod for about a year and hoped it was going to show similar power. I guess the question with Garmin power implementation is how do you use the power information to help determine your run effort for say a race or workout. Yes it shows the power but the benefit I have found with Stryd is in the analysis their app does to show you a target power for races, distances & times. If the power readings were all similar then you can see a use case but Garmin needs to offer some way of interpreting the power data otherwise I'm not sure on it's use.

[@sagybp]

I was so surprised to get a notification yesterday from Garmin about this update and I installed it immidiately. I just LOVE the new morning screen. Super nice. To be honest, I'm always running with my HRM Pro, so I always have the running power metric and I won't be using the wrist option. That being said, I never even realized what this metric is good for. I have my HR to tell me how hard I work at any given moment. What does looking at Power gives me in addition to that? Not clear to me.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Power is instant while HR can take a few seconds to reflect on your watch which makes dialing in a pace easier for a given effort.

[@chriscruz5584]

You received a notification for this update? I didn’t see anything and I’m using a MAC so I don’t know if I can download the update.

[@sagybp]

@@chriscruz5584 I received an email as I'm subscribed to their Alpha/Beta release thread on Garmin's forum. Since this release is alpha you'll need to manually download it and move it to the watch for installation. There's no automatic update.

[@paulonobre6429]

One thing to compare would be the garmin running pod, I know it is old tech but it still looks quite usefull for users with older models like the fenix 5, 6 and forerunner 955 f. ex.

[@TOHOKU2008]

You are wearing so many watches and phones while running. I am impressed.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

For science!

[@assstrak]

I never install any beta update. I prefer tested and good software. Anyway, I am a little bit upset that Garmin has different values than Coros or Stryd. For me is Stryd something like standard and Garmin shows something absolutely different. But I am happy for this metric :)

[@mlegrand]

Dang you're fast at making videos.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

lol, GoPro for the win!

[@sedricthomas7242]

I transitioned to the Garmin Epix Gen 2 and pair Stryd pod mainly for distance on heavily wooded trails where GPS data is crappy no matter what watch.

[@marcopolocucina2484]

I’ve been playing with hr pro and my fenix, I think they did a very good job vs my stryd in terms of usefulness. Where garmin falls way short is the app to utilize power data. Seeing a graph of the run doesn’t help at all, really need build in CP/FTP, power zones, ability track power metrics over time vs a single run, etc.

[@alexkwitko1577]

I will wait for the beta version, however I always use the Garmin pod for running dynamics. Would be great to get the same dynamics without the pod or the hrm pro. Sorry to keep asking for content, but would be great if you could do a video about your training routine. Like always, great video. Great job.

[@cakej1]

STRYD, hands down, the best running tool I've ever bought.

[@emberos]

I think, like with heart rate, a wrist based measurement will provide a reasonable approximation. However, if you are going to use the data to set paces and training, you will want a purpose built device to gather and report to the watch (i.e. a chest strap for HRM and a Stryd Pod for power). Especially with the new gen hardware forthcoming, Stryd will remain best of class for power accuracy for now and the foreseeable future.

[@ZeRo-22-]

I think of fall and I’m the opposite: all smiles, and happy! Granted over here in California the temps get as high as 115 for months during the summer so the cooler weather and autumn vibes are a welcome change for the majority of people I know. Plus I’m a sucker for “cozy” weather. Haha okay seasonal rant over 😂 great video Dave! Garmin playing a little catch-up here but still good for the consumer. Happily awaiting the arrival of my trail loop ultra!

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Haha! I have mixed feelings because we'll soon be buried in 14 inches of snow, and it will be sub-zero outside.

[@ZeRo-22-]

@@ChaseTheSummit haha I see your point! I think the difference is we don’t get the snow 😬 pretty sure that would change my feelings about it, too!

[@lolno1000]

It would be nice if running power could be integrated with the workout ecosystem (daily workout / garmin coach)

[@terryfurlong518]

Good call. I have been waiting for this for years.

[@noreik23]

I agree, otherwise running power is pointless with structure.

[@BleakVision]

This is a feature they should hand down to the Fenix 6. Since it does support running Power and this just makes it all so much more convenient.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

We'll have to wait and see which devices get it!

[@nxel2]

Keep us updated when they start to include bad/good sleep into consideration for workouts advices. Thanks

[@ChaseTheSummit]

They continue to refine this. I think we'll see a lot of valuable updates by the end of the year... Fingers crossed!

[@grahamcurl5026]

Thorough review, as always 👍🏻

[@TheComsicTechie]

Will fenix 6 series get this?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Maybe? I'm not totally sure.

[@alexdubois6585]

Garmin is freaking out. Good to finally have competition. We get free features.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Absolutely. this is probably a product of the Apple Watch Ultra having Running Power!

[@Bothani7]

Still waiting for that 7d load data field

[@voidreflection5935]

It looks to me like the Stryd is closer to real-time computation than the other systems. I wonder how big this disadvantage may be in practice. It would be interesting to know if the watches measure performance only via the accelerometers like the Stryd does, or if they also incorporate heart rate data. And before I forget: Thanks for the nice video!

[@nathanenns]

No one knows what running power means but we all want it

[@ChaseTheSummit]

lol, I think some know the value? I hope!

[@nathanenns]

@@ChaseTheSummit no one knows what the number means

[@nikakura]

Running power, imo, does not really makes sense - in terms of cycling it is W per KG which represents how fast you can go compared to another cyclist on similar terrain, however in running you already have a pace metric for that - so running power is basically telling you exactly the same AND you can not compare it to other athletes as it is not taking into account your weight as it is not relevant. The only applicable test should be running uphills / downhills and compare them to your perceived effort to running on flat - similar to GAP - sure Dave will do such a test right?! :)

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Running and Cycling Power are not really apples to apples though their names would suggest they are. Running Power isn't as solid of a metric since it's being recorded by movement and not an actual power transmission in a bike. Still though, linking perceived effort to power numbers while running can be valuable. More testing to come of course! This is just a first look.

[@paulcelmare6926]

Based on your comment from 02:06, in 05:06 - 05:26 and 05:58 - 06:18 HRM-Pro+ should be mentioned. ;)

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Right, I call them both HRM Pro and typically forget the PLUS part. They both provide very similar data though. Not a huge difference other than the battery door!

[@paulcelmare6926]

@@ChaseTheSummit true!

[@CaveSkiSAR]

Unfortunately Wrist Power, power using an HRM-Pro or HRM-Pro+ is only available in Run, certain other Sports. If I use Walk as the base for Hike or Garden I don't get the option for Power. I have to fork off of Run. So I have Garden forked from Run, Hike forked from Ultra Run. Or I have to wear a Stryd foot pod, and unless I tape it to my laces, I don't trust the Stryd to stay on in strenuous conditions.

[@chrisdavies6175]

Hi Dave, great content again. Question: are GAP numbers on the Garmin comparable to those reported in Strava and Training Peaks? I ask because Connect has been showing GAP (post run) since around the time the Enduro 2 was announced - but it is way off (or, at least, very different to the numbers reported on Strava and TP). Garmin seems to give you very little GAP bump in pace to compensate for elevation…

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Oddly they're all a little different. Not sure why.

[@vadimvol83]

955 got an update of Running Power!!! Where it's allocated, can't find it...?

[@rcuadro]

Since I have the HRM Pro I am going to at least wait until the public beta on my fénix 7

[@nrs8043]

Do you think the Fenix 7 will get the rest of the running dynamics that the forerunner 965 has?

[@Zane_Zaminsky]

Great video, Dave! Question: what software are you using at 5:19? Thanks, Dave.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

I use something called Quantified and DC Rainmakers analyzer tool to make the graphs in my videos.

[@Zane_Zaminsky]

@@ChaseTheSummit Thank you, Dave!

[@pradanakusuma]

Nicee will my sweet fenix 6 also get this?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Unfortunately I do not think so but that's up to Garmin to decide. Hopefully!

[@roccom.3924]

Dave, which apple band are you enjoying with your Ultra the most and why? Great video!

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Oddly I've been wearing the Series 7 sport band on my ultra the most mainly because the color is subtle for my day job. I like the Ocean the best from the new so far but I'm still waiting for my Trail Loop which I should have soon and I'll likely have a video about it!

[@cospinan]

Hi David great video... a side of the nice information...it looks like you are running in the hot... Well quite in the front of the foot, is it too much?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

I'm a forefoot striker. It's probably not perfect form but it works for me.

[@cdegenova1761]

Which is your favorite watch right now? Looking at the 955 but don’t mind spending a little more if it’s worth it

[@ChaseTheSummit]

I love the 955 because of the light weight. The Epix display is also quite nice. Tough call between the two!

[@cdegenova1761]

@@ChaseTheSummit thanks! I’m not sure if I’m interested in the OLED screen since it’s harder to see while running in direct sunlight. Do you think the fenix 7 SS is not really worth the significantly higher price over the 955?

[@dannythedabbler]

I was confused because I rarely look at the Garmin Connect app and just check out my data in Runalyze which was already getting the power data from the FR955 fit files. I guess they've just decided to make it visible.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Runalyze is generating power data using their algorithm. It's not in your fit file unless you have an HRM Pro or RD Pod Paired.

[@dannythedabbler]

@@ChaseTheSummit I did not know that. Thanks. I do wonder whether Garmin will be utilizing the same algorithm though since there's not a new sensor.

[@janmalek]

does it give you individual values for each leg, or a singe combined value for both legs?

[@ivocantatore8212]

Garmin 955 o Stryd per misurare la potenza? Grazie

[@christianmuller4867]

Running and cycling with power is great. Cannot understand why so many serious runners use HR for TSS/ training control (and a lot of them do not even use an ECG, lol). Power is so comfy and what is even more important: it‘s reliable and accurate if you know what you do: correct pacing in fast intervalls is way more accurate with e.g. a Stryd than with GPS. 80/20 running is way easier to achieve with power. The problem with Garmin is that the data comes from GPS and accelerometers. The latter is good, GPS is a crap measurement. So, I would not use Power data from Garmin, nor Polar, nor Coros. Buy a Stryd, calibrate it in a vo2max lab test and on a 400m track, buy a book about running with power and you are good 😂

[@Burps___]

I predict Stryd will be out of business within 5 years. Let's see if I am right.

[@andy1shi]

There is a lot of difference in power calculations between garmin and stryd!! This is a big deal becouse the area under the power curve is the work done. This means that for the same distance garmin is calculating more work than the other brands. Which is the correct evaluation than?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Neither is "correct" until the industry establishes a standard.

[@Coempi73]

I really hope this feature will come down to the 6 series, as well.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Unfortunately I do not think so but that's up to Garmin to decide. Hopefully!

[@Coempi73]

@@ChaseTheSummit yes, it can be down to hardware ( hope not, though).

[@pauldaniel2527]

Another awesome honest review, will this come the fenix 6?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Thanks! Time will tell on the Fenix 6!

[@pauldaniel2527]

@@ChaseTheSummit cheers Dave, hope all is well with you and the family.

[@떡볶이나리]

Would be neat if it came to Instinct 2.

[@YouTubechannel-pu7xh]

Will this work for inline skating?

[@mrmcfly8230]

Awesome vid!

[@nxel2]

is this coming to fenix 6 line??

[@j.g.120]

👋Hi Dave! Thank a lot for your work 👍. Will Powerdata come on the Forerunner 945 LTE too? I see one main problem: who to use the numbers? Only Stryd has the „critical power“ to train (a little bit) sensefully - what do you think about this? Have a good time!

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Maybe? I'm still a little foggy on what devices will get this down the road. Running Power can still be useful just by knowing your perceived effort at different wattages.

[@j.g.120]

@@ChaseTheSummit Yes - Maybe 😁. But knowing your effort’s doesn’t give you a training zone or special goal 😕… I‘ve been using a Stryd for several months. But I see here (in my case) a big disadvantage: if I train by 200 Watt (for example) up and downhill, then my heart rate will be in a relative big range 😩! I’ve to slow down to 180 Watt uphill to stay in a easy heart rate zone… so is training only with Power not really the best way 😢 (…only my experience 😉) …what is your experience as a trailrunner?

[@ThatFlowState]

The 945 LTE will get wrist based running power as well according to DCrainmaker's article on it. "Forerunner 255 series, Forerunner 955 series, and Forerunner 945 LTE will also be getting the running power shortly in beta as well. Expect that measured in days or weeks for the FR255/955, with the Forerunner 945 LTE trailing slightly behind (as usual) due to carrier certification requirements."

[@cyberc0l0mbiana]

Love your vids! Do you foresee wrist based power being released on Venu 2/2s?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Thanks! Unlikely since Garmin markets the Venu line towards “wellness” and less of a running / sport watch. I’m sure it could be done it’s just a matter of whether or not they’ll do it.

[@cyberc0l0mbiana]

@@ChaseTheSummit thank you, appreciate the insight!

[@ZotmundSzele]

I have installed this but haven't been able to run with it. Question: if I have my HRM Pro on (I have a Fenix 7) where's the power data gonna come from? Strap+watch (as before) or wrist? Hmm... 🤔

[@ChaseTheSummit]

It will use HRM Pro when paired.

[@Liam1694u]

Competition forces, I mean spurs, innovation.

[@TA-rk3sv]

Hey! Can you get auto rest timer for fenix 6? I would like to easily access my avg running pace and still time my breaks during interval training. The only way I have found is lapping, which messes up avg speed. Thanks for the video!

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Not on fenix 6 yet. Time will tell if they add it.

[@PoetWithPace]

I thought wrist based power been here a while with third party apps on Garmin watches? 🤔

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Only with an additional sensor like the HRM Pro or Stryd Pod. I'm not aware of any Connect IQ apps that had wrist based power?

[@PoetWithPace]

@@ChaseTheSummit there was an app i saw a while back on Connect IQ, but no idea how accurate it is. I'm more effort/HR measurement, rather than power. Thank you for taking time to reply, which is greatly appreciated!

[@Pipppetto]

I'm currently using both HRM Pro and Stryd with my Fenix 6 Pro. Should ever Power metric come to the old 6 series, I'm very interested to compare the results, but I'd have some questions about it: first of all, will reliability be as with other wrist based readings ? In my own experience, it's absolutely crap ! If wrist based metrics will match someway the pod sensor readings, it could be useful, but I noticed my race predictions by Stryd (power based) are much closer to actual values than Garmin's suggested ones ... (which I suppose to be based on HRM/HRV activity). I really wish I could run that fast !... Last but not least, will Garmin record both power metrics (e.g., from own sensor and Stryd/Runscribe pods) ?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Wrist based readings will always be less accurate just because it's based off of the motion of your wrist.. However, from what I've seen from Apple, COROS, and Polar it's totally useable and great to get a "ballpark" Idea of running power when you don't have a Stryd Pod. Garmin can utilize Stryd if you download the Connect IQ app.

[@Pipppetto]

@@ChaseTheSummit thank you so much ! My purpose would be to know if (having a whole Garmin environment), it makes sense to continue using Stryd, and eventually take advantage of the current upgrade offer. I’ve been following your excellent reviews for a while, and COROS products appear to be top of the range, but actually being caught in one ecosystems vs. another is IMHO a great limiting factor…

[@itaybregman3406]

Does this mean it possible to do the lactate threshold guided test without a chest HRM on those watches?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Nope, still need the chest sensor for LT tests.

[@Jostian7x]

How does one set up or see run power? I don't see it in data screens on my 7x when I want to start a run.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Did you install the beta?

[@my40789]

Any hope for FR255 to get this feature?

[@francescobenati]

yes, fr 255/955 are the next

[@ChaseTheSummit]

I'd assume the 255 and 955 are in line to get this.

[@brentwalker5403]

What software are you using at 4:30 to compare each of the watches power etc?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Quantified and DC Rainmakers Analyzer Tool

[@brentwalker5403]

@@ChaseTheSummit thank you very much.

[@ojmotswane]

No love for the previous gen Forerunners 😭

[@ChaseTheSummit]

I'd bet we see it on the 945 LTE but nothing prior to that.

[@rubenreinaldoperez6482]

@@ChaseTheSummit and fénix 6’s?

[@quest666PL]

Did they fix calories counting when no activity is active ? Meaning calories just from steps ? Or the watch still doesnt give you any calories burnt from 20k steps a day ?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Garmin only focuses on active calories and doesn't include daily BMR or resting calories... It's weird but I don't think they intend on changing that.

[@quest666PL]

​@@ChaseTheSummit Yeah, but its kinda useless if you dont have overall 24hr number from everything you do. I have a job that requiers many steps (around 10k daily) plus another 10k from other forms of activity and I wanna know whats my total daily calories expendature, with Garmin, I cant.

[@Mierze19j87]

@@ChaseTheSummit Garmin shows it all. Resting + active calories. In active, it includes steps, walking, which Move IQ will record as a workout, and any workouts that we turn on. These resting calories, on the other hand, are BMR. For this, data on body weight, activity level, age, sex and height are required. The rest comes with HR and HRV and the measurement of oxidative stress. Additionally, you can connect MyFitnessPal and set a target and enter similar data. But it is a little different from Garmin's calculations. I think Garmin does it more accurately, because in addition to basic data, it includes sensor readings. I was doing a reduction in relation to the watch - 500 kcal and the error tolerance was so acceptable that finally I managed to reduce body fat effectively. The entire macrocycle lasted 8 months, 2 of which were 2x DELOAD. On weight - 16 kg. I also consider this to be sufficient evidence. But let's make an appointment. You need to have established habits, repeatability in nutrition, hydration, sleeping and training. No electronics will do something for us and there are no miracles.

[@atomicdemise]

I dun see big whoop here tho

[@vadimvol83]

Does "Running power data" available on 955 also?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Not yet, I suspect it’s coming soon!

[@Jakeaway]

Is running power going to come to Garmin Fenix 6?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

No idea!

[@ZIAD9992000]

What the release date for this nee update ?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Still in beta. Release date is unknown but likely within a month or so.

[@ivodias27]

Huawei Gt Runner , price / quality is very good

[@ChaseTheSummit]

For sure!

[@awesomebrotherhood7698]

Thank you for sharing. Although, we would be delighted if we had running dynamics natively in the device just like the Apple Watch, like GCT and Vertical Oscillation, too knowing Garmin was in the game longer than Apple and not just reactive to Apple.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

That would be nice. I wonder if that’s in the works?

[@awesomebrotherhood7698]

@@ChaseTheSummit I request reviewers like you to also submit customer feedback to the brands so they know what to do? I know there are hardware limitations when they make models but I do think that they can add those matrix into the fray for high end series and newer series from Garmin. You are our trust advocate.

[@Krilin84]

I'm not loving that the Garmin power replaces my stryd power data on Strava. Anyone knows how to disable garmin power, either altogether or at least uploading to strava instead of stryd?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

In the activity settings you can toggle Running Power on and off.

[@Krilin84]

@@ChaseTheSummit thank for taking the time to reply, I appreciate it! I've looked for such a setting all over, both on my Fenix 7 and in the Garmin IQ, but it's nowhere to be found! Could it be a language setting thing where they haven't translated that menu option to Swedish yet perhaps? Oh well 😅

[@bart88juve]

Hi! Could recommend for me good sport watch? Maybe I am not pro, I try to be active like gym, running and looking forward to do more😊

[@ChaseTheSummit]

On a budget the Forerunner 55 or COROS Pace 2 are awesome options.

[@bart88juve]

@@ChaseTheSummit thanks mate I have a look

[@bart88juve]

@@ChaseTheSummit what do you think abou Garmin Venu SQ 2?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

@@bart88juve check out my review! I’ve got a full video about it on the channel.

[@tomylee]

Wondering how this works out when using poles on the uphill.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

It's not perfect especially with poles but it will get you some useable data.

[@RumbleBack-iz3tl]

Unusable data. Because the results are especially very shabby on poles and in the field

[@andreas.charalambides]

So do you think i should postpone buying a Stryd?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Stryd still has some benefits. It's really up to you to decide but this is a move in the right direction!

[@andreas.charalambides]

@@ChaseTheSummit thanks!

[@Panagiotis-Skordilis]

Dave any drain about the battery?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Hard to say as I've only had the beta firmware for a day. Time will tell.

[@andyhaochizhang]

Honestly don't really care about this feature. I use a stryd and I don't even look at stryd power (just for accurate pace in the city and treadmill). No running power I've used is reliable enough (even with external sensor like stryd or HRM pro), and I found it's much more useful to just focus on my perceived exertion for training.

[@JamesDGarland]

What is the best Garmin watch for those that run and cycle?

[@StayLoose200]

honestly you could get away with a 55 and be fine. Depends on what type of running you do and if you're interested in maps, music, etc. Best bet if unsure, and money isn't a barrier, to go with the 955. Most bang for your buck. Again though, for basic hiking, walking, running, and biking a forerunner 55 will work fine.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

"The best" is pretty subjective. It will come down to what size watch you prefer, what features you need, and of course your budget. The "best" could be seen as the most expensive (Fenix 7, Epix, Tactix, etc...) but they are larger heavier watches and feature mapping/navigation that you may or may not need.

[@JamesDGarland]

@@ChaseTheSummit thanks! I don’t care too much about price or size. I’m looking for a watch, including potential combo add ons, that would be perfect for someone who trains mostly in running and cycling together. Hope this helps to clear up my question.

[@ddff5242]

any chance this trickles down to fenix 6 saphire?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Time will tell but I sort of doubt it.

[@ravenblack9750]

hi Dave thanks for video, i will wait for stable version. i don’t think that garmin add watts because of apple. Development takes some time so I believe that they work on that for some time.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

I'm sure it's been in development but I wonder if they sped up the process?

[@ravenblack9750]

@@ChaseTheSummit yes I believe it is possible

[@mrjoshuagordon]

With stryd my run ftp is close ish to my bike ftp (run ~= bike), with garmin it would not be. they should fix this because it is (run >>>bike).

[@mooreperformance4174]

How do you turn off the wrist based power?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

It's in the activity settings for Run/Trail Run.

[@mooreperformance4174]

@@ChaseTheSummit many thanks

[@RodrigoBittencourt]

will come to 955 forerunner?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

I assume so. Probably within a few weeks in Alpha.

[@normg7399]

Anyone knows if the battery drain is fixed in this alpha for the epix2?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

I haven't noticed a drain even before this release.

[@tim2480]

Can I run the Daily suggested workouts based on Power?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

I don't believe the suggested workouts are based on power but you can design workouts based on power within Garmin Connect.

[@Darksamus60]

@@ChaseTheSummit I just created a watch face with a heart rate gauge and power gauge and for heart rate-based suggestions, I use running power to make sure I'm outputting a power zone that correlates to the heart rate zone I am aiming for so I know I am running at a pace that will get me to the zone I want right away instead of starting too fast.

[@Porsche993-j6k]

Are Garmin watches compatible with apple computers

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Yes

[@tadejdanev5030]

why for 255? why not for FENIX 6 too?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Simply because 255 is newer. Time will tell. I'm not totally sure what's getting it.

[@tadejdanev5030]

@@ChaseTheSummit I know but FENIX 6X PRO still top watch, I hope that's not get lost behind :)

[@ClassicCyclingCC]

The Apple Ultra is $800. The Garmin Epix Gen 2 is $1,000 or an unjustifiable 25% more expensive. End of story for me.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Oddly enough in some countries the Apple Watch Ultra is $1000 and the epix is $800

[@Bakemono10]

Am I the only one who don’t know how to manually download the software?😅 Mac user here.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

It's pretty straight forward but kind of annoying. You could just wait a few weeks for it to be available in the public beta that downloads over the air.

[@trailzrock2]

Garmin needs to tone down that power. I run with HRM pro on my FR955 and the power i get is way inconsistent with the power i put out on the bike. I know I'm not running in the 350 to 410 average watts. Just doing the simple math of figuring out the power from calories used during a given exercise duration puts my average power quite a bit lower than what Garmin comes up with. Something in the neighbourhood of 100 watts too much give or take. My guess is Garmin is using the rebound in the shoes to calculate watts. Not sure, but i have more faith in polar, coros and the Apple watch when it comes to running power.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

It certainly seems exaggerated compared to other options. It would be nice if they'd adjust to match the others.

[@trailzrock2]

@@ChaseTheSummit example. Garmin says i averaged 354 watts during a 27:24, 3.16mile hilly run. Based on that i should have burned around 581 calories, but Garmin says i only burned 330 active calories. Reverse math with the 330 calories i get around 201 average watts. That seems more in line with the 142 avg HR for the workout and the 8:40 ppm with around 350 ft of elevation gain.

[@davidv7403]

My regular Apple watch does the same thing if I walk. Blanks the data...

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Yep, for some reason all apple watches do this. I suspect Apple does this on purpose to avoid erroneous data. It's probably not a big deal but I do find it odd.

[@RumbleBack-iz3tl]

Garmin was the last one. The results are very bad from my point of view. The Apple Watch ultra values are matching to the Stryd ones and are much more stable than the Garmin ones

[@ChaseTheSummit]

The Garmin values are much higher but like I said... That doesn't really matter as long as you calibrate your power zones accordingly. It's also important to remember that this feature is still in Alpha. Hopefully when it's officially released it will be a bit more polished!

[@RumbleBack-iz3tl]

@@ChaseTheSummit Like i Said. Polar did. this years ago. Their values are stable and very good. No one cared. Now Garmin comes. Makes a more worse implementation and now it’s a bummer. Paid by Garmin? Advertisement?

[@stevemurray710]

If I run a Strava segment Monday in 9:50 and Wednesday in 9:42 I say I'm getting faster. I have no interest in a power number. I have power pedals on my bike as I could have a slower number because of the wind despite the same effort.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

You can simply not use it. The datafield isn't even there by default unless you turn it on.

[@skizzarz]

music too loud, narration too low. bringeth the music volume down please.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

The music fades out after 15 seconds at the beginning . The rest of the video has no background music.

[@skizzarz]

@@ChaseTheSummit 3:28

[@skizzarz]

if we wanted phat beats we'd be listening to music. when videos are about the narrative content, it's important to have appropriately leveled music to be generally slightly quieter than the narration, not louder. cheers and thanks for the informative video.

[@grecuccionicola]

Polar was first ,

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Yep! And they do a great job at it.

[@rafaeloliva8328]

Great information but way to complicated it takes the fun away from working Out way to much data my humble opinion

[@ChaseTheSummit]

You can simply not use it. In fact the data field isn’t even there by default.

[@rafaeloliva8328]

@@ChaseTheSummit you are 100% right

[@pierrex3226]

As a cyclist, that data is total trash. If 200w=400w, then it's not watts, but trash

[@ChaseTheSummit]

It’s important to remember that cycling power and running power are not the same thing despite having similar terminology. With running power as long as the metric is consistent it’s still useful one you’re calibrated to it. It’s only an issue if you use multiple different devices that are all giving you different results. Unfortunately there’s no standard in running power yet so none of them are technically wrong even though it’s a bit frustrating.

[@DraganBakema]

how long will Garmin be relevant now that smartphone brands are starting to step up their game?

[@ChaseTheSummit]

They still have a pretty tight niche carved out in the sports world. Samsung and Apple are doing really cool things but I suspect Garmin/COROS/Polar/Suunto will continue to thrive.

[@StayLoose200]

Everyone is excited about the Ultra, but in reality it is no where near a Garmin. So much extra software and endurance features the "Smartwatches" can't touch. To be honest, Apple is playing catch up and Samsung isn't even in the running (in regards to sports and fitness).