GAS VS DIESEL - Do You REALLY Need A Diesel Truck? - Truck Talk Tuesday [Episode 1]

Let's talk about the never ending topic of Gas Vs Diesel. Many folks will claim you need a diesel truck, but I really question the motive behind that decision.
I answer the question of whether or not you really need a diesel in 2017. I answer the question of gas vs diesel based on my experience, limited knowledge, and what makes sense for my business.
What do you guys think? Gas or Diesel? What engine do you guys currently run? Love to hear your opinion! Leave a comment below!
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[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

So you know my thoughts, what are yours! Gas or Diesel? What engine do you guys prefer?

[@meadowviewlawncarellc8079]

I Love my Cummins but as others have said diesels aren't great now for stop and go, on and off during mowing. It DOES kill the emmisions system. I deleted my 09 after it plugged the dpf about 4 years ago during a snowstorm. it was the best thing I did. I'm keeping that truck as long as I can its only got 86k on it and almost 5,000 engine hrs. Mostly from plowing. I'm currently looking to expand the fleet and been looking at gas trucks that's the route I'm going now gas engines have come a long way in the last 10 years power wise. It's cool to say you got a diesel but the way the epa ruined them it's not the best choice for local landscaping.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

True that

[@carlynmiller9261]

Brian's Lawn Maintenance I prefer a 5.9 cummins because of the reliability and the durability of the engine and if I was in your shoes and I wanted a truck I’d prefer getting an older Diesel truck to get better reliability than these new Diesel trucks with emissions bullshit on it

[@luther2148]

Brian's Lawn Maintenance new here cool

[@pizzahere8872]

Brian's Lawn Maintenance You are correct you may not need a diesel to pull what you’re pulling however you have to think about it from an engine stress point. Will your 6.2 gas engine pool that? yes but is it putting 60 to 70 maybe even 80% of its effort into doing so?Where as a diesel engine will pull it no problem however it’s going to be putting 25 or 30% of its effort into doing so.With that being said my boss just switch from a 6.2 L gas engine to the 6.7 L diesel and went from spending $60 a day in gasoline for the truck to spending 25 or $30 a day in diesel for the truck.If you do the math on that he makes back that extra eight or $9000 for the diesel engine within the first year or two.

[@childerstodd]

I’ve been a diesel mechanic by trade for 22 years and I absolutely agree with your evaluation of gas vs. diesel. Only get a diesel if you are towing 10k daily. Don’t get me wrong I love diesel trucks but the cost of them makes it difficult to justify one. That’s why I drive a 20 year old Suburban!!😁

[@DieselMechanic30]

Right! Plus the Emissions on the diesels are the pain! And in Wisconsin it’s very hard to find delete kits for diesels

[@alexs3187]

If I wasn’t going to be pulling over 20,000 lbs for my business in the mountains on a consistent basis, I’d get that new Ford 7.3 V8 coming out. But I’m going to go with “need” a diesel, even though a good gasser can do it. I think most diesel buyers could get by with a gasser.

[@niceatrya3477]

Gas vs. Diesel. The age old question. However, the answer would be simple if Ford were to take their 5.0L and put twin turbos on it and put it in the 250. Just sayin, I think that would be the go to engine for everyone who uses the truck for work/daily driver. Low rpm torque, better fuel economy from being a smaller displacement. ;)

[@EPstroker]

Man the 6.2 is a awesome motor. Every bit as powerful as the dearly loved 460. I've driven a 6.2 in a 250 and a 350 dually with heavy utility bed. Very impressive in both trucks.

[@woodsman4cb]

Just curious, why do you not like the 3.5 eco boost? It has all you mentioned with 470lbs of torque. I get 24 plus miles per gallon with super crew 4X4, when unloaded on the highway.

[@LawnCrack]

Gas...very few people in lawn care need a diesel. Gas is lower cost like you said and lower cost of ownership. I have had a couple 6.4 Powerstrokes over the years. They are fun!

[@Stonks93]

LawnCrack I love those 6.4’s! Fun to drive

[@kevinblehm4341]

Try ram 6,4 Gas!

[@truckguyjoe]

I think you made the right choice. These new diesels do not like stop & go driving, and extended idle time (going job-to-job in neighborhoods, starting engine and shutting off often). It really takes it toll on the emissions system. Clogs the particulate filter faster & uses DEF much faster.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

truckguyjoe All great points, totally agree

[@meadowviewlawncarellc8079]

I couldn't have said it any better. My 09 6.7 Cummins plugged up from that type of work. Deleting it helped it tremendously. I'm looking now to add a second truck and going gas.

[@imperialservices9892]

truckguyjoe that’s why I️ bought a 2016 super duty gas I️ looked at diesel thinking this better gas mileage and idle time between jobs then I️ talked to my mechanic and researching diesels are made to run not around town plus the exhaust cleaning system takes a crap and could cost $$$$$$$

[@FordF-Super]

truckguyjoe maybe on older trucks, ford has it figured out on the 17-19’s, I have a 18’ 6.7, as a daily, I live 10 miles to work, only have 8900 miles on it, zero issues, my brother has a 17’ with 62k, zero issues, my uncle has a 16’ with 113k, zero issues, all daily drivers. I believe this to be true with most manufacturers, if they sell 1million vehicles and only have 20-30k with issues than that’s normal or a good thing, it’s the luck of the draw when you make a vehicle purchase, your not guaranteed anything, although we expect differently, that’s just being nieve, and stop and go doesn’t use DEF faster, quite the opposite actually, DEF is only injected when exhaust temps reach 800 degrees, atleast on newer ones

[@colestaples2010]

Do older diesels have that problem?

[@countrylawnsllc2211]

As a 20yr mechanic I’ve tried preaching the diesel vs gas thing since the cost of diesel fuel has gone so high. Unless your pulling skid steer plus weight daily all day your never going to benefit from a diesel in cost. I fell into a 07 Cummins because someone didn’t listen (my niece) on not needing a diesel to pull her camper once a month and not knowing how to work on them. Told her if you can work on it a used diesel will bankrupt you. Well 3 months and 6k later I took over the payment but it’s never going to get a plow and will be a heavy haul only next year when I get the 250 gasser

[@ivanreyes1946]

i have a 1997 ford f250 heavy duty 5.8 with 330,000 miles and it works like a champ

[@chandlerrobbe7069]

The half ton vs 3/4 trucks would definitely be a good topic to discuss for the lawn care industry. Definitely would like to get your specific opinion on this because I will be looking for a newer truck probably at the end of next year

[@Alex.AL_26]

My neighbor tows his 6000 pound boat with a diesel Porsche SUV. Your clients would be really impressed if you pulled up to cut their grass with a Porsche.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Nice

[@billtomlinson5701]

Your neighbor is a doofus

[@LawnCareBusinessSuccess]

I think you made a well informed choice. Never heard anyone make that point about the so called higher re-sale value of Diesel. Makes total sense though. I do know that Ive been driving a diesel since 2008 and I have found it overkill for what I need. I dont think I would buy another diesel again. I have had my truck a long time and it has served me well but when I got it gas trucks didnt have the power and torque they do now. Heck even half ton trucks can pull 10,000lbs now, which is unheard of back in 2005 when my truck was made. I also find as I get older that I get tired of the noise and smell of diesel.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

+Lawn Care Business Success Absolutely pal I agree 100%

[@brandonplantier7839]

I was just going to say that most landscapers don't need all that and torque and horsepower now if you were in construction then yes it's just a waist of money in my opinion

[@mattperry5989]

Many of the people that give me shit at work etc about going with the 6.2 (traded in my 2016 6.7 for it) drive 65,000 dollar brand new 6.7’s that have never pulled a trailer or have pulled a trailer that belongs behind a ranger lol they usually bring up mileage as a big plus a lot too which I will agree, my 6.7 got better mileage but not by much when unloaded. Towing was a different story, the diesel got much better mileage, but I still pay less for fuel now sooooo.......I guess I never saw the “big” savings there unless you towed for a living on a daily basis where the small savings over long periods of time would be worth it. Also maintenance costs are much much lower. I hauled two chords of wood to my house recently and it didn’t even know the weight was back there, rode really nice too! Diesels can pull a ton of weight and if you need one, I totally understand but many of the people who push the diesel so much don’t even use it for what it was intended. Just the ability to say, “I have the 6.7”.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Agreed 100%

[@kylepokorski6045]

After lemon lawing 2 powerstrokes and a Cummins having a brand new completely stock truck in the shop for 65 days I went gas and I'll never go back I haul 11000 lbs with my stock trailer never had a single problem or a hill I couldn't climb

[@jessemeanlt1]

Just got a f250 lariat 6.7 powerstroke ..... because I can😎👌

[@allamerican7830]

Guys who buy diesel are not concerned with the cost of fuel and maintenance. They want something that is easily going to pull a trailer and not strain. Wanna go cheap go gas and pretend it “pulls just fine” anyone that’s had both knows the real difference. Put a gas and a diesel pulling same 5K trailer up a hill in a head wind and see which truck downshifts first.

[@hartleyhomesteadmichigan6041]

I prefer gas. Diesel trucks cost more in maintenance.

[@aldonco]

I have several old 7.3 diesel's and I will not get rid of them. I can tell you run away from any newer diesel engine unless you are rich and money is no object. The newer ones are junk because of the emissions and the sensors have sensors for the sensors.They don't get a significant increase for fuel mileage and diesel fuel cost more and more unreliable. Sad they ruined them..If you do cross country towing or do heavy towing you have to get a diesel. You made the right choice.

[@isabellabraaksma2386]

A Chevy Duramax is better

[@timdagg1699]

You present a great bunchs of points for gas and I agree. You may wish you had diesel for plowing. Bottom line numbers talk 10 000 isn't pocket change

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Truth.

[@iLikeC00kieDough]

Maybe talk about tires. All terrain vs all season vs snow-specific, etc

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Great topic! Stay tuned, that's coming!

[@Littlervrentals]

I totally agree with Gas I pull Travel trailers all over in the summer Delivery/Setup I am totally fine with gas! And the cost of repairs are way cheaper and not to mention repair down time faster with gas! Great Video! Cheers... :)

[@fishingwcp]

What about the gas mileage? We are getting ready to buy a 35’ rv

[@tennman76]

I tow a 30 Ft travel trailer and have both a diesel and gas truck. The Gas gets 8-10 Mpg and the diesel is a solid 14-16Mpg with a larger gas tank so I can go even further. I prefer towing with my diesel all day every day.

[@TheUnsureFox]

"You're paying for that resale value up front." Exactly. A nice 6.2 V8 will do fine. Heck, I drive a '93 F-150 with the 5.8L, and it tows my trailer and lawn equipment just fine. Not much affected by the additional weight. Keep up on the brakes, trailer brakes and oil changes, and you'll be fine!

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Amen pal

[@greenscapesoh]

I'm with you 100% on this. The last new truck I purchased was in 2015. It was just over 53K for a gas model. The upgrade to diesel was an additional $11055! Sure theyre cool but not $11K cool. It just isn't needed for what most of us do not to mention, I don't keep them long enough to make the benefits pay for themselves.

[@aldyson3469]

Also running short distances that you do the diesel would never get to peak operating temperature. Witch would cost in the long run on maintenance/repair

[@Sam-pw8zh]

I'm from north. before I started lawn care I fixed trucks for a living. I know you live in Michigan. when it gets cold I'm mean COLD gas start diesel don't. That's why I have gas.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

True, another good point to consider

[@rapierce99]

Then they haven't been properly maintenced and the NEW Diesels basically anything after 2002 has no problem starting in frigid temps and if it does then you have a problem.

[@Accountant-tf4pu]

Exactly why gas is more cost effective in cold climate if you have to start and go like as a firefighter

[@bige7910]

Gas is the way to go after driving a diesel pickup for over 20 years I just couldn't justify it anymore. The epa has killed diesel trucks.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Oh yeah..

[@justinberry3453]

Diesel was fad. Gas just makes more sense. Let diesel stay with big rigs, tractors, and trains.

[@danielc5205]

For my usage, the 6.2L gas made more since that the 6.7L diesel. With my truck, I can still pull my brother's 22k tandem dually gosseneck trailer with a 14K tractor on top just fine. Plus, owning a gasser, the cost of ownership is almost nil compared to owning a diesel.

[@brandonthies9590]

in most cases i agree diesel is not worth the upgrade in price. the only reason i got one for my truck was because they pretty much threw it in because of the sale at the time (chevy colorado 2.8L Dmax)

[@davva360]

Diesels are great if you tow heavy and often. If you do not tow heavy or often then there is no reason to get a diesel. Diesels cost more, and while they do hold resale better you would have to keep the truck a very long time to get any benefit from resale value. When it comes to day to day costs again there is no financial benefit to diesel. Diesels get better gas mileage but the fuel costs more so you do not get a better cost per mile. Then when you factor in maintenance, diesels cost more to maintain and they actually end up costing more per mile. I know all of this because I have a gas F250 and a Cummins diesel so I have done the comparison in real life. If you want a diesel get one, but don't think you are saving any money, you are not. I would only recommend one if you really do a lot of towing. By the way could not agree more on speeding with a trailer. Very dangerous. Trailer tires are not rated for 80mph.

[@rickmatz2429]

I went for the gas. I love it. Reasonable mileage. Lots of power. Make sure you get the 4.30 gears. 3.73 gearing is a little bit weak. Difference in mileage negligible.4.30 gears 30 percent more torque.

[@joshuacastillo9469]

Old diesels are work trucks. These new diesel trucks are garbage.

[@allancooper715]

Diesels are no longer worth the price dif. Years ago at 4k, it was. At 10k, imo, no. Great analysis Brian.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Totally buddy

[@peke2283]

Makes sense man. I appreciate your point of view! No one are loading videos like this. Keep it up!:)

[@vernonknight5827]

If ford came back out with a 4.9 I6 for SuperDuties but with modern goodies like 24 valves 6 bolt mains and in Ecoboost form, that would be very impressive!

[@Boisetom]

I jast got the 2018 gas and I love it so far. I pull a 32ft RV that's about 8,500 lbs up a 6% grade every weekend which is ok. I have to go in 2nd gear and do 35mph but it gets me to the top. Sure a diesel would take me to the top at 60 but saving 9,000 bucks was worth it. I agree with you on repairs. A diesel would break your bank.

[@delta70]

Well I hope you are right about the gasser. I just sold off a Titan diesel after only 20 months of ownership. These new diesels suck with the emissions. I had a 6.0 before that I deleted egr on and it was way better. The Titan I had in shop a couple of times for emissions and a couple of other small things. The cost of maintenance was insane if you have the dealer do it. it cost me 249.00 for fuel filters, 89 for oil, and every 20k they recommended tranny and diff flush. Last time I was in it cost me nearly 800 bucks on a truck with 20k miles on it. Only reason I paid dealer is because I didnt want to give them any excuse to not warranty the truck. I purchased a 6.2 2017 lariat with 9k miles on it. I am flying 1500 miles from texas to pick it up in CT this next weekend. My Titan did tow nice but really thinking I wont notice much but the higher rpms and fuel mileage while towing.

[@mccool24]

I think a diesel is worth it if you’re towing or planning on keeping it for a life time. I don’t buy vehicles to trade them in. That’s such a waste of money and a guaranteed loss. I buy vehicles to keep them. And diesels go way more than 350,000 miles. But the new diesels are crazy with always needing the additives when you fill up. That’s just a flat out pain. Plus I tow a tractor occasionally. It’s all what you need.

[@NicktheStumpGuy]

Could not agree more. The new 6.2 are extremely powerful. I let my neighbor load my dump trailer full of wood, unsupervised. When I came to pic the trailer up, I thought the wheels were going to bow off the trailer. The truck pulled it no problem. Unless your doing long, highway towing like a transport truck, gas is the way to go!

[@TNCuttingEdgeLawnCare]

My dad has the 2016 titan xd cummins 5.0 is great for my buisness

[@delta70]

I had a Titan XD with Cummins but now have the ford 6.2. That truck has so much potential for the weekend warrior that has a travel trailer. I loved the way mine towed. But I had several issues with it. Mainly the emissions crap. I just got to where going in to have a 20k mile maintenance and costing 800 bucks was ridiculous. Also if you follow the forums on that truck there are all kinds of issues. I am not seeing near that on the f250 gasser forums.

[@newagelandscaping4949]

Love my 17 f250 with the 6.7 it's a money maker but I did pay cash in full. We haul 6 ton of material at least 3 days a week

[@grasspro104]

Today's diesels are having issues with DEF system. Gas is fine as long as you aren't towing extreme weight. I do feel what you bought you could of bought a nice one ton dump truck that would make you money with a large dump capacity. My choice would of been a gas dump.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Ya I just don't do much landscaping, but dumps are nice! Everything I would need I could get delivered for next to nothing. My SiteOne is 3 minutes from my house, ha!

[@emersona9]

The newer diesel trucks with all of their new emissions crap aren't designed for short trips as much as I love the diesel trucks unless you are going to delete all the emissions equipment and tune it the gas is what you want. It's much easier to maintain a gas truck then diesel

[@hirscheystreeservice2716]

If your not hauling over 5 ton on a regular basis gas has plenty enough power and I don’t see any benefit for plowing snow with a diesel over the gas

[@danith8288]

Dan from GTA Landscaping in Toronto Canada. I have both Gas and a Diesel. I find my diesel is much better when it comes to fuel cost on a weekly basis. We maintain over 60 residential lawns weekly and bi-weekly service and when we running our 2010 f250 gas engine we were spending between 200 to 250 per week but when we switched over to our 2012 F250 Diesel we spent 150 to 180 per week. Yes agree it's a lot more cost wise when purchasing but I definitely see the cost savings. Our biggest expense is fuel and labor in the landscaping business. I love my diesel when we pull our Bobcat and 2 ton excavator you can feel the power to pull. To my opinion if you service your equipment regularly it will last longer just like any machine.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Good advice, agreed!

[@charlied2449]

There’s nothing like hearing your injectors crack in the morning. Diesel!!

[@johncholmes643]

Old diesels were better than old gassers. New gassers, especially Ecobeast, do what old diesels did. New diesel engines are immensely expensive when they break

[@SouthernStyleLawnCare]

You made the right choice for sure. Im about to purchase a new truck this year and going gas bc for what I pull diesel is just not needed. Not to mention the higher upkeep cost.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

What ya picking up bro?

[@SouthernStyleLawnCare]

Brian's Lawn Maintenance 6.2 gmc or Silverado. In between 3 different trucks at the moment.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Congrats bro

[@benjaminbailey7429]

Ford will not put the MPG ratings in the f250 trucks. What kinda mpg do you get in normal day to day driving??? Just googling the crew cabs are 11-16 city and hwy

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Haha yeah they’re not required to for whatever reason. 8.4 with the trailer, 14 ish without!

[@tscheatham]

Holy smokes, my 15 F150 is 20mpg. Don't know how you afford the gas. But to think of how much you're pulling, it makes sense. Love the videos man!

[@PezRacer]

What gearing do you have? 3.73 or 4.30?

[@kingrider75]

From what i have seen no one is putting the MPG ratings on 3/4 or more trucks now.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

They’re not required to that’s why.

[@RippSnortin]

Most of the diesel Bros just drive up and down the street in their trucks that don't use them for work.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Ha too true. #pavementprincesses

[@EPstroker]

Spot on. I went with a diesel......i tow a bobcat and job trailers daily for concrete construction. You made the right choice. The 6.2 is a great engine with plenty of power for general towing. The first time I drove a 6.2 f250 I was like holy crap this thing hauls @ss!

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Thanks pal!

[@bigDwood]

Yes it does

[@everlastinglawnandgarden54]

Hey Brian my brother in the lawn business remember when I said I wanted to go with the ram 6.7 Cummins. I test drove it .don't get me wrong its a beautiful truck but it was more of a soccer dad's truck. My choice was the f250 exteaded cab I will not call it the super cab lol. No Sun roof I love it even though Ford has a lot of bad things going for it you know your driving a truck. And not a car with a bed

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Get whatever truck works for you pal. I don’t think the Ford’s have “anything going bad for it”. Don’t lean on other people’s opinions to buy a truck. You’ll find nothing but mixed reviews and few facts presented.

[@brianfrommass.kortecaretak2674]

You made the right choice,diesel is way too much 💰.i love my 6.2, mileage hurts the wallet a little but I know I made the right choice.keep up the great videos..Brian K

[@TruckandTravel]

I think case to case depending on the person. I had to go with a diesel because I do over 2,000 miles a week. I am really hopeful it last 1,000,000 miles. I am in the transport rv's and random trailers. I've talked to plenty of people getting around that. But I think it is a case to case. Nice truck, I also got the 2017 Ford Super Duty. Love the body style. I agree If you dont need it dont get it. I will say I am hating the sync radio... hope you dont get problems like me.

[@StephenCunningham1]

Your thoughts are right in line with mine. Most the diesels I see are grocery getters and a few people who actually need them.

[@Freedomrider1685]

My experience new diesels have way to many problems. I’m going with gas for my business

[@toreshammerecelt861]

Diesel requires more expensive and more frequent maintenance and diesel additive.

[@stevenmunoz4697]

Best Gas vs diesel video ever ! Very neutral and honest video !

[@nodak81]

You pretty much hit on all the points. The only reason to go diesel is if you do a LOT of heavy towing. The "better resale" thing always made me laugh. Yeah, sure it's worth more because you PAID more! lol

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Lol yup, folks who drink the kool-aid say stuff like that. Resale, ha.

[@pablotorres233]

I been flip flopping back and forth on gas vs diesel but u r 100% right it cost more. And if u go out of state and u run into a problem on the road with a diesel your going have to fig it out and find a shop to fix it. With gas just take it to a shop and give them 3h and your back on the road. Plus it may be harder to find clean diesel OTR in some areas.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

All great points! Very true. Had mine 5 months, no complaint at all!

[@ivanreyes1946]

good choice i have a 2012 ford f250 gas i love it

[@hairstonpropertymanagement2937]

I bought a diesel because of the power that it provides! Now granted it's not a 2017, it's a 2006! And that's what I really wanted! Because anything diesel after 2011 has the DEF fluid tank! But I plan on upgrading in a few years. Most of my accounts are not as close knit as some of the guys in the industry! I have a lot of rural yards as well

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

I agree, the older trucks are super popular for that reason, no DEF crap!

[@carpet180]

I have a 2015 ram 1500 with Hemi 6inch lift and 37 inch tires . I pull a 6x12 v nose trailer everyday for work and avg. 10.6 mpg. Never had a diesel so I can’t compare the two .

[@mikenorton3377]

nice tesla hat by the way. like you said it all in what you have to use if for. my stepfather work heavy equipment and has a 300 gallon diesel fuel tank and compressor and welders and he has the 350 diesel. he needs and uses all the power his diesel put out. he has his play truck and its an f250 lariat i think fx4 like your but its a 2013 and gas. this one has the cabover camper and has a removable 5th wheel hitch for if he need to haul a 5th wheel. but power wise his f250 never misses a beat with the camper and his 16 foot boat behind it.

[@DS-TRUCKS]

The diesel just has the cool Factor! Diesel generally have less payload and can make snow plowing difficult, if you need your payload available for your snow plow and your ballast...

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

True. I don't know if you can even put a DXT on a 250 chassis with a diesel for example. Probably a 350 would be needed.

[@kidnunez7016]

more power to you brother! - nice to hear some ‘real-world’ advice from someone with more than 1/2 a brain & applicable logic! makes my choice to go gas for my purposes that much easier.

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

Lol

[@lawsonlawnandfarm8073]

I went with gas and pull at least 7000 lbs or more every day and I can say so far I’m very pleased my new 6.2 pulls way better than my old 7.3 do and I don’t have all the emissions bull crap to deal with

[@theworldaccordingtochris4370]

Good video. I think the diesels are total overkill in North America, I know they pull quite heavy loads but they are way too expensive to buy and maintain from what I can see. I know they can be very luxurious as well as get a job done but the expense is nuts. Your weight you pull isn't too high but you can get a Ford Ranger in Ireland with a 3.2L diesel or even a 2.2L diesel that's rated to tow 7,714 pounds.

[@loganpfeiffer871]

Diesel all the way double the fuel mileage, double life, double the power and double the resale.

[@smj1250]

Double the ego too

[@EGEE164]

Hey Brian great video I completely agree I was in the same predicament my self I purchase the 2017 f-350 lariat same engine as yours with the 4:30 rear and torqueshift G transmission and i started to do the numbers when coming to towing we also purchased a 5th wheel 39’ toy hauler dry weight 10,500 GVWR IS 13,499 so realistically we will would be at around 12,500 with the bikes and food etc.. my fear are the hills will I be able to pull this monster I heard a lot of horror stories with gas pick ups but again 10k extra for a diesel nah I’ll pass. Your thoughts or any ones thoughts thanks

[@BriansLawnMaintenance]

If you’re towing or hauling heavy I’d go diesel! My 6.2’s mpg isn’t stellar. 10’s when hauling just my mowers in my trailer. If I had a 5th wheel or toy hauler, I’d get the diesel. Hope that helps!

[@jonathandoble4105]

I agree, buy diesel only if pulling heavier loads and need the power. I just bought a new 2017 ram 1500 crew cab with the 5.7 litre hemi. I love it , has more than enough power for what I need and has 4x4 for the winter.

[@naffox4259]

Titan XD Diesel

[@joerapo]

I just run car tires on my trailer. They are rated for more than my axles and aren't limited to 55mph. I've never had any issues.

[@brianbbb7931]

Trailer tires have more ply making them much stronger and last longer.

[@JohnDiMartino]

The general rule is ...single rear wheels- gas engine....once you get to the dually the diesel becomes a viable option....

[@kingrider75]

John DiMartino this post right here. I was on the fence with the 2018 gas 250 I bought. In a 3/4 ton truck I really don’t see the advantage going with the diesel over the gas as far as payload and towing capacity go. In My opinion, (and that’s all it is) if you need 900+ pounds of torque then you should look at a truck that has the Capability, payload/tow rating wise to take advantage of it. On paper the 6.7 in a 250 is way over kill. You have a engine that’s capable of towing 30 thousand pounds in a truck thats rated to tow 15 or 16 thousand pounds. If a guy is looking at a 1 ton ford...I’d say go with the torque monster everyday.

[@alextrainor2552]

@@kingrider75 Agreed!

[@nomowworries3745]

I've owned both. It all depends on what you want and can afford. Currently I have a gas engine. Honestly the truck I have now I just got a deal I could not pass up. Will I ever get another diesel engine?! Yeah I plan on it. Just a preference but I'll have both. Like you said do what works for you. Good vid and great points.

[@peterstoeckner1014]

My Dad Bought A 2017 Ford F-250 Standard XLT In Black With A 6.7L Power Stroke Diesel Because We Have A 37ft Long 5th Wheel Trailer & We Needed The Diesel Because If We Had The Gas We Could Not Pull It. 👍🏻

[@mkbmj]

I am with you on the diesel. I bought a crew cab XLT in 2017 and it had its share of injector issues. Friends of mine seem to live in regeneration mode. If I had the courage to do the DPF/DEF delete and run a 5" exhaust, I would stick with diesel, but I don't, so I didn't. I ordered a 2019 F350 Regular Cabwith 6.2 and 4.30 gears. I don't tow, but I want to run a good 37-38" tire and don't want to regear.

[@yodawg3469]

Gasser's are the way to go unless you're always pulling heavy ass loads quite frequently.Gasser's are simply cheaper in intial cost and maintenance plus the gas engine's built now are putting out far more power than those 10/15/20 yrs ago and are more efficient.Diesel trucks seem to have become a status symbol along with jeeps.

[@krismueller7843]

Talk about any other add-ons you might be doing for the truck besides the plow. Maybe some LED light bars, bed liner, etc.

[@HandyGuy2016]

I personally don't by trucks brand new, I wait until the truck I want is about 5 years old to see what issues it will have and how well it is going to hold up. I can then buy said truck at a much lower cost, and have a pretty good idea of what I can expect. To be clear, I have no issue with purchasing a new truck, in fact I really like the F250 you purchased, and it is a business expense you can write of on taxes. My last truck purchase was a diesel, which I am very pleased with, but my next truck will probably be gas, due to maintenance and fuel costs. BTW, when you get ready to sell your new truck in 5 years or so, let me know :)

[@bobbycooke8974]

You made the right decision! The best value out is a 05 - 07 6.0 then “bulletproof” it...should be around $22,000 to $28,000. Stay away from 6.4 and heaven forbid you have caught in a “ReGen” on 6.7...to many emissions! 6.7 are made to run hard and for long periods and not a grocery getter. Nice truck, I would have done the same thing!

[@ethanwilliams1825]

I understand completely why you bought a new gas powered truck I did the same thing, I bought a 2016 GMC 2500 regular cab with the 6.0 liter because I didn't have a trade in to offset the cost and I have an 08 Duramax with 280000 miles in my fleet that's bought and paid for but for the snow plowing I do a crew cab dually isn't practical and I wanted to have a new truck that I could 100 percent rely on. My plan though is to trade my truck in when it's paid off and replace with a Duramax. As far as general maintenance the cost difference per year with the DEF fluid factored in is maybe less than $200 dollars more and at least with the Duramax Diesel they are so refined that you don't see the big issues like the 01-04 injector problems. As far as the Ram with the Cummins they are still plagued with software issues relating to their emissions systems and Ford in my opinion seems to be unable to build a reliable diesel engine. The new 6.7 is the best engine they've had since the 7.3 but it's far from perfect. Finally with the extra $10000 price tag it is a big hit up front but they hold their resale value if you keep up on your maintenance and you keep the chassis from rotting right out. I can still sell a rust free 2001 Chevy 2500 cab and a half short bed Duramax with under 150000 miles for 20 to 25 grand.

[@wh8085]

Great topic Brian , congrats on your new truck. She's a beaut ! I bought a new 2016 Ram 2500 last year with a Cummins 6.7 Diesel because I was seriously thinking about doing some hot shot work. Afterwards , I some how got into mowing last summer . You are right , I don't need the diesel for what I'm doing with it but I may go ahead and buy a 30' float for winter work. Not much snow here in Oklahoma. Just a few thoughts ! Take care.

[@marcuscardinali9145]

These new diesels are garbage. The best Diesel engine is the 7.3 Powerstroke

[@colbyfowler3819]

Marcus Cardinali no the hell it is not!!! I’ve got both a 7.3 powerstroke and 6.6 Duramax the powerstroke is ass compared to the Duramax

[@ray_banz5899]

Colby Fowler I disagree mate. I have a 2001 f-350 dually with the 7.3 it is a tank. Has 629k miles on it. 7.3 Powerstroke for life🤙🏼

[@jonsmith3574]

Ray_Banz58 and won’t start in cold and it’s wrapped around a shit truck

[@bige7910]

5.9 Cummins is King

[@poseidonband7848]

Colby Fowler LBZ Duramax is the best

[@jalop713]

Gas. If you have to go diesel I'd get a 2002 f250. Somewhere around that year.

[@mikesautomaintenance5780]

gas no need for a diesel for me my 5.4 will pull anything i put behind it 260k on it and still pulling like it should

[@mattwilcox916]

Got tired of fixing my 7.3 so this year I bought a 6.7 because it's what I wanted. But that's as my truck if it was a truck for employees it would be a gas truck because the trucks become throw aways so that big investment isn't worth it.

[@rockymntnliberty]

I figured up the numbers for myself recently and came to the conclusion that the diesel versus gasoline would cost about 20 to 25 thousand dollars extra over a course of 10 years. This calculates in fuel economy, fuel price, maintenance, initially investment, Etc. When you look at it that's the cost of a pretty good used truck that you would be paying extra to run the diesel.

[@brianfrommass.kortecaretak2674]

I have a f 350 lariat with a gas engine. I also could not justify the extra money just to tow a mowing trailer and plow.you made a good choice. Happy Thanksgiving.

[@ikeabrahammustang7113]

Think you this video really helped me out

[@Innovativetreeandlandscape]

Smart choice getting a gas since you do a lot of starting and stopping! I have a F350 with a 7.3 and I do not like using it for mowing. Just bought a F250 with a gas V10 for the mowing crew. I love my 7.3 but gas is best for mowing rigs!

[@dandylawnandmaintenance4407]

Totally agree. I had my first diesel way back before anyone had them. Engines last much longer now but the rest is all the same. Glow plugs, injector,filters, costs a ton to fix and they smell. If your diesel does not start your screwed. Gas is the way to go. I think once everyone gets over the diesel thing will all be laughing at why we all need a diesel. Like you said long haul with a trailer would be the only exception.

[@firstname5175]

I couldn't agree more with your logic. I ending up getting the cummins 2500 just because the dealer had a promo to upgrade at no additional cost. ...$0

[@mrbeeslawncare4890]

I agree 100% with you Brian. We purchased a gas F-250 as well. We couldn't justify the Diesel option. When we considered how much we needed to tow and price of diesel vs gas it was a no brainer.

[@Bmarsters]

I think for your situation you chose right and getting the gas. I'm kind of in the same situation with my business and I currently have a F150 but I need a little more payload but I don't need a diesel.

[@daw764]

Agree 100% with everything you said. Same reasons I bought the 2017 f250 6.2 as well! Oh by the way, very well articulated my friend!

[@Railroader909]

Great videos very informative 👍

[@kevinmobley11]

Diesel life 🤘my Duramax is perfect LTZ Z71 191,900 miles I drive about 35k a year get about 18mpg unloaded on the highway at 75-80 mph. Loaded I get almost 14mpg in town or down the highway, 8.5x20 enclosed with 2 scag 52” tiger cats. One has a bagging system. Plus all the other gear. Also I can pull a gooseneck with heavy equipment for large clearing jobs no problem. Oh and that exhaust brake feature is a lifesaver to your brakes and helps you slow down so much faster it’s unbelievable. Only issued my truck has ever had is the transfer case went bad. About $2k to fix it did they work myself got a brand new in it then. Gonna be good for another 200k miles And yeah it’s deleted and tuned as well so it’s a blast to drive unloaded 👍👍. Bottom line IMO diesel is the only option. I can tow my boat to the water on Saturday, race a couple mustangs on Sunday, hook up a 28,000 pound load on a 40 foot gooseneck Monday morning and go to work.

[@Fencearmor]

Awesome Brian! Really liked how you explained this and we are looking forward to seeing these videos once a week!