Gay And Black Communities Are Preposterous

[@acfkelly6291]

People without religious trauma have no concept of it. The inability to find empathy is annoying

[@boblaplace7993]

The inability to be empathic towards others is the problem.

[@r.o.1330]

@@boblaplace7993 that's a psychopath.

[@craigbradford4850]

Yeah, that’s about what I expected from a person named Malachi from Arkansas.

[@rayxav]

Glad you guys kept trying, but once he dropped the "identity politics" line, he sho Ed himself as a shallow thinker. He has such an issue leaving his privileged position of "why do they have to tell people who they are" while telling you who he is. He's a moron.

[@bunji_beans]

Probably "doesn't believe in pronouns" either

[@kaiza6467]

@@bunji_beans and yet will lose his shit if you call him “ma’am” 😂

[@LaurenElizabethYT]

Ben pointing at his name to say he’s a student doctor then realizing “oh it says God King now” had me dying though.

[@ReverendLondo]

I saw this comment first off and was confused, but seeing the name change before he pointed was hilarious

[@bodricthered]

There are multiple countries where Atheism is a death penalty crime... This guy is really putting a lot of effort into his wilful ignorance

[@gregoryeatroff8608]

"Bla-bla-blabla-bla" is the most sensible thing Malachi said.

[@wunnell]

He was muted all that time and clearly didn't listen to a single word they said.

[@andrewthompson9619]

13:45 Wow, that took a turn. Went from acting offended on behalf of the LGBT+ community to saying it's "preposterous" that the community even exists. (I know he was technically talking about gay individuals in the first half, not the community as a whole. I'm just laughing at the irony).

[@KyloGram]

As an lgbt atheist (came out as lgbt to my family, but not as an atheist), I think why the latter can be so much more of a big deal for people is that, for really devout Christians, religion really is *everything.* It’s not the end of the world if you come out as gay or trans or whatever; those are just “sins to be overcome,” so long as you repent. But when it’s a matter of not believing in that God, then it’s not like they can just “walk with you through this battle with sin.” It’s just, over. At least, that’s kinda been my experience. Can’t speak for everyone.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

So the guys effectively saying that no one's allowed to have a political opinion? Wow this is just an absolute tool.

[@xghast9012]

Yeah, this person sucks.

[@ericwilliams1659]

Well as the caller claimed, political opinion leads to the death of millions. I just wish he would cite his source.

[@MrCanis4]

yes, you can have an opinion, his.

[@tartarus1478]

As a gay atheist it’s definitely the case that being an atheist is something I’ll continue to hide despite the fact that I’m out as gay. I’ve already got friction with my family and they would see me being an atheist as a cause of my homosexuality or my homosexuality as a cause for atheism and they are completely unrelated but either way would produce drama I’m not emotionally equipped for.

[@bharathdeva9407]

Just live ur life to the fullest brother .u have only one life .even though i m not an aethist i rather live in an aethist country rather then a religious ones .the nutjobs r getting crazier everyday .

[@wanderlust4215]

Come and live in the UK or scandinavia as for the most part nobody gives a damn about either. Makes my blood boil when I hear people can't openly say they choose not to believe in these fairytals for adults.

[@kennybachman35]

That’s a toxic relationship. They likely won’t accept any of your decisions. You should flee.

[@liranpiade4499]

Yo mate, I'm a gay and trans atheist. Anyone what's not going to accept me as the badass lesbian I am, can get fucked. I only want people that are going to love me for me. Most of my family loves me for me, so they get to stay in my life, anyone who doesn't... Bye bye! It's a difficult but very rewarding way to live. You can make out with a guy in public and have exactly zero concerns about people seeing you.

[@AlexOrJustAl]

Yeah, I hear you. It’s a rough spot to be in when every move you make in life gets nonsensically pathologized. Constantly picking your battles with other people’s commentary running through your head is exhausting. I wish you well, fam ❤

[@corytracy8993]

You guys have MUCH more patience than I do when dealing with idiots.

[@trafficcone5449]

12:30 This is the point where the call should have ended. The caller is basically admitting that he didn't hear a word that they said and keeps going on with the same point he was making in the first place, and it only went down hill from here.

[@Penrodyn]

The way to deal with callers like this to ask direct questions until the caller finds themselves in logical absurdity. It’s a basic teaching method.

[@eleSDSU]

​@@Penrodynhave you talked to bigots? Hatred isn't fixed by logic just like that, it would be amazing if it worked as simple as that.

[@terrencelockett4072]

So the caller thinks comparing coming out is comparing actually being an atheist to being gay or trans. It's like he wasn't really listening to what the hosts said, and just created an argument to argue against.

[@jvondd]

Malachi really seems to be married to this argument. Every time it gets refuted, he goes back to it and tries to reinforce it as though it wasn't already addressed. This seems to be a pattern of behavior for people arguing in bad faith.

[@romankvapil9184]

Because the dude wasn’t listening and processing the information. That’s how folks like him are raised. To never think critically.

[@Nocturnalux]

The hosts were way too kind to this caller. I can understand as it may be very helpful to viewers who may be on the fence but it truly is painful to endure.

[@MrCanis4]

some (like this one) are too far down the rabbit hole, but others that are half way down may turn around, listen to this.

[@texmackenzie]

it’s far past time to entertain these dimwits

[@icepick1514]

Agreed. "It doesn't make sense that you're comparing...." immediately after it being clearly explained to him. This clown is being willfully ignorant... and a complete prick.

[@elonmask50]

That is an interesting fence Malachi is sitting on, I thank Katy for slowly unteaching my bigotry ❤

[@princegobi5992]

Hope he falls

[@Skiller131]

​@@princegobi5992You should consider playing in the road. Your family would be thankful

[@bomblade15]

"Coming out as atheist" is similar as converting to another religion. Or growing up Catholic (like my siblings and me) and becoming non denomination (like I had before becoming an atheist). My mother said it was the worst failure as a parent she had done. If you knew of my mother's many bad parenting behaviors, this spoke volumes.

[@teknicron1080]

Hardly . . . "coming out athiest" is only viewed as a switch in religions, but it's a rejection of unsubstantiated beliefs.

[@FaiaHalo]

It's like saying "coming out as a non-stamp-collector is similar to converting to another branch of stamp collecting. It makes absolutely no sense.

[@Testicule]

Coming out as not believing in santa shook my lil brother for me

[@bomblade15]

@@FaiaHalo No, that's not the same thing.

[@bomblade15]

@@teknicron1080 Not hardly. You want to tell me what MY experience was? Yeah? You know more about it than me?

[@RozzieBass]

Well-handled! Even if it seems redundant or unnecessary i think it's a good thing that someone is willing to take these right-wing dismissive points, like "that's just identity politics", and address them seriously. Well done y'all! Keep it up :)

[@ChibiTheEdgehog]

I could listen to Katy say words like "at all" all day 😁

[@kirklarson4536]

Also enjoying the green screen through her nails.

[@tedmoy]

It helps that's she's pretty and I'm gay

[@TheZombieSaints]

I like when she swears 😉

[@ladyaj7784]

I'm always grateful when the hosts have the infinite patience to elaborate on these points and rephrase and do the back-and-forth with the callers, even when the callers clearly lack the empathy to do the same. It makes the show way more interesting. And honestly, the more ways that the points are made, the more likely the community 😉 is to help audience members understand.

[@guybrush1701]

I love how this kid (he sounds like hes about 17) asks how coming out as atheist is different than doing so as LGBTQ+, they tell him how it's different by giving examples, but he bitches about them using that topic for examples. YOU BROUGHT IT UP!

[@lorianabanana6066]

When I got outted as an atheist, my mom (who is usually very understanding) cried, screamed at me and didn't talk to me for WEEKS. When I told her I was bisexual she didn't really care. I think she already knew, I always had LGBT+ friends. And I've dated more men, so she sees it more as a 'quirk' then integral part of my identity.

[@AngryBoozer]

“Coming out” means that you’ve had to hide something. And yeah, in many, MANY cases, you have to hide your atheism.

[@topcat2069]

I hear so many broken and damaged callers, under the boot of bad ideas or just arrogant about their claims that I’ve decided to no longer leave “smarty pants” comments. I’ll try to be more charitable. “under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.” ― Robert Anton Wilson "Be Excellent To Each Other" (Bill & Ted)

[@benf6822]

"I watched a show and based my opinion of an entire population of people that only have one thing in common on what the maybe 10 people said" Ffs.

[@jens2old2care]

When "trans people who fight against the trams community" came up, I immediately thought of Kaitlyn Jenner.

[@ArtemisShanks]

I put atheism on a pedestal. Myths are nonsense. As Russell said, “If something is true, you should believe it, if it isn’t true, you shouldn’t.”

[@colt2720]

If I had just shown up with my boyfriend at home my father would have possibly kicked me out and most certainly never spoken to me again. I came out to my father as gay when I was 16 and even just hearing that caused him to not say a single word to me for almost 2 years, he wouldn't even look at me, or respond when I spoke to him, not even on holidays or my birthday. That was just from hearing that I'm gay, would have been much worse if he actually met my BF (now husband of 6 years) in that moment... some people need to be eased into it instead of throwing it at them all at once. Things still aren't very good with my father, but he speaks to me, looks at me, interacts with my husband, and we can have pleasant conversations.

[@troig43]

Then is it worth pursuing a relationship with him?

[@jaronfeld123]

100% certain this is a Jordan Peterson fan. Definitely smarter and more open minded than most JP fans though!😊

[@ayanleman]

Tbf thats a bar so low you could limbo under it

[@askingbetterquestions]

“I can’t believe you’re being mean, just ‘cuz me and Charles Manson like the same ice cream.“ -Tori Amos

[@michaelbeavis2632]

Peckerwood logic.

[@michaelbeavis2632]

@Gary Allen I know his Daddy. He’s from Peckerwood, TX. Dumb as a bag of hammers but he’s a good ol’ boy, I’ll tell you whuuut.

[@stellis69]

This caller is an ignoramus, but he represents billions around the world who share his views. So it's still an important conversation to have, as much as we would like to drop his call.

[@Jasper_the_Cat]

Brilliant work by Katy and Ben on this one. Although this caller was at a level of drunk uncle at a BBQ spouting random talking points from Fox or Benny Shaps, here in the US, that's not uncommon. So it was an excellent opportunity for Katy especially to pick apart all the ridiculous claims at the end, in her own charming, inimitable way.

[@scottc1857]

So you are more than free to disagree with the callers positions and even think they're stupid as well as dangerous, I guarantee you he thinks your positions are equally stupid and dangerous... Hell you can even bite back a sneer at the clearly stereotype uneducated accent etc. But you should keep in mind that the accent thing is just a stereotype and plenty of people with accents thicker than that are guaranteed your or my intellectual superiors. You also don't get to pretend that his views are just "random fox and Shapiro talking points" just because you don't like or agree with them... Frankly that sneering dismissiveness is more indicative of an insecurity because you know you can't actually effectively counter some of his views or points not a Hallmark of ANY sort of superiority morally or any other way to him or his views. People like you are quick to tell other people they should do and be better while having an utter lack of self reflection much less self awareness.

[@Jasper_the_Cat]

@@scottc1857 Sounds like my comment really triggered you. Lol. Where did I mention anything about his accent or level of education? For all I know or care he could be a NASA engineer, but his inability to put forward defendable assertions during this call (and towards the end his assertions are barely even coherent) were why I made the 'drunk' comparison. In contrast, Katy did a better job of articulating what his presumed positions were, and very easily dismantled their lack of logic. It's all in the video, watch the video.

[@CarissaNomadic]

@@Jasper_the_Cat it really feels like he was calling in with an "easy win" mindset, seemingly expecting it would go over well that with... Honestly ANY talk Heathen host? After so, as you said, he was completely unable to support himself when he got push back ...up to basically ending the whole mess with "Y u making it political????" when he was literally asking about that in the first place XD

[@Jasper_the_Cat]

@@CarissaNomadic yep. Couldn't have said it better than what you described.

[@Penrodyn]

It was a terrible conversation, it was basically one way. I would have much preferred they ask him direct questions to figure what he was actually thinking, instead they just preached to him. We never found out for example why he was comparing Stalin to basic rights?.

[@thancrow]

Malachi was not listening, or ignoring what the hosts were saying.

[@mjc8281]

I'm old enough to remember being left handed being an issue at the first school I went to and how the kids(we are talking about 4-5 years olds)being punished. While almost no one today would see coming out as "left handed" being a thing.... it was for kids at my first school. You really can't make blanket judgements asking why it matters, unless you are in anyones life. In a perfect if you love someone it shouldn't, but sadly it does.

[@captainbryce1]

He didn't come here to have a conversation, he came here to vent because he had a chip on his shoulder. He's the one who wanted to talk about "identity politics". He's the one who brought up Christians being linked to "the right", and then dishonestly tried to claim it was you guys who held that position. He didn't acknowledge your explanation for why atheists "come out" at all, and frankly he didn't listen to anything you've said.

[@DarkFire0421]

Ben and katy , you guys are gods for be so patient . Once he compared athiesm and trans rights to stalin , i personally would of lost my shit . So mad respect for staying as calm as you guys did while picking apart his logic peice by peice . The sadist part about malachis whole argument isnt that he necessarily thinks that but that, that nonsense was put in his head by like minded more educated manipumators like ben shapiro and Tucker Carlson. The frustrating part is that the argument doesn't even make the slightest since . What people are dying by the millions because we gave another group of people equal rights like everyone else ? Were are these comparable genoiceds even taking place and who are the people targeted ? Was Stalin homosexual and tried to kill people by the masses for being straight ? I seriously am failing to see the connection. Can malachi or like minded individual please explain the connection to me ? Because im apparently to corrupt and brainwashed to see it 😂 must be that liberal media that melted my brain or perhaps the devils got me and im no longer a free thinker

[@Scholar702]

I hate to use a person's age against them but to me this caller sounded young and just blind to things. I think that's why so many points just went over his head or in one ear and out the other.

[@jens2old2care]

It's so weird that you even had to explain the idea of community.🤯

[@ericwilliams1659]

Malachi - that name is from the "Children of the Corn" movies or Futurama episode.

[@robertdavis942]

I realize that you have to complete put all angst away to make the show effective, and help people see our community as humans that are among them, and doing no harm. But wow! I would have a blinking eye/ nervous tick having to be so diplomatic. We are trying to let people know that we exist, and that we aren’t a threat or worthy of the vitriol that is often standard with atheist. Screaming at these people would be counterproductive. But my goodness it would feel epic to watch Katie just Mangal him verbally in her absolutely exquisite British accent. it would make it in the clips they show for all the ACA programming. I would make it my ringtone. Take a screenshot and make it my wallpaper. But I know we have to play nice.

[@Dumbstuffwatcher]

I'm at about 4:00 and already have questions. Why wouldn't Christians lean left? Jesus said to heal the sick, give to the poor, and turn out the money lenders. Dude sounds almost communist.

[@erikthompson619]

I was born in Sweden in the 70s. Trust me, Socialist Christianity was an actual, and very strong movement, there and then. Not least for the reasons you mentioned.

[@CarissaNomadic]

It's very likely because of power. The right wing party of US, the Republican party (well, more _actively_ right wing), will push for favoritism of Christianity socially and sometimes even legally, even though that's antithetical to what's literally in the country's Constitution, so churches will go that way so that they can reap the benefits Meanwhile, Republicans tend to also justify themselves as "the good guys" because they like to say that they're very devout Christians, as being Christian has become a very mainstream idea of what an American is supposed to be. At this point they are deeply linked, and it really doesn't matter to them that the Messiah himself would not just be disapproved, but outright essentially considered heretical.

[@jens2old2care]

So basically "because I haven't experienced what you're describing, I don't think that experience is valid".... did I basically get that right?

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

LOL "When I'm meeting my friends it's not like I'm "Hey guys, remember I'm trans?"

[@j-np9sv]

Every time this guy calls in he doesn't listen. Really embarrassing.

[@bradhorowitz2765]

Malachi seems to be a person who CANT really accept ambiguous experiences, that there is rarely black and white solutions, that no person is usually the same as another. He prob got told x is true and anything else is wrong throughout his life. He failed to get why atheism IS A RISK to many ppl; to hear him ignore Ben’s story is sad, and he kept trying assume ppl had motives. He also sounds lot like the ppl who back in the Civil rights era said “hey it’s cool you’re black, but you don’t have to PROTEST.” It’s a form of American liberalism where differences are ignored In favor or conformity to a singular ideal. And he he is completely wrong on “there is no x community.” I mean he’s no x community is the same, but there are communities both small and large that have their own in group dynamics, slang, similar tastes etc. like literally black Americans HAD A GREEN BOOK to avoid violence-something g whites didn’t have. Selena the singer in Texas WAS BELOVED by Hispanics-yet when she died-most white Americans DIDNT know about her or at least didn’t express the level of sadness. We can apply this to recreational groups like anime Fan clubs, sports clubs, groups whoose members share common traits to some extent, where they have their private Jokes etc.

[@byron2521]

I'm an atheist, and I think this is a little truth to this. However, this probably has more to do with human psychology than deception. If by "religion" you are talking about a group of people with shared beliefs that bond as like they are in a special club (community). Everyone needs a community to belong to. Now of course atheist groups alienate themselves (to a much lesser extent) like religious groups into "us vs them" mentality sometimes. But again, that's psychology (just human nature). I was raised a Chistian, was one until I was 19. I even see some similarities in the progression of the belief systems. Again, that's psychology. Christians talk about being "gung-ho", or really turned on the "Lord" when they are converted. I was exactly the same way @ 20 when I became an atheist, I let everyone know it and why (kind of a militant atheist, overzealous, older and wiser now). Again, psychology. However, the big difference I have seen over my 30 years of being an atheist is, I never knew an atheist that used bigotry, hate, and violence to promote their beliefs. As far as "converts go", you will not win over any religious person to atheism unless they are already questioning their faith. So being militant is pointless. But that is why I like these atheist channels and support them. That is because no matter what any religious person claims, they call into this show because of doubt. They may raise "hell" against atheism, but they are looking to reconfirm their beliefs. If their religious faith was strong, they wouldn't bother calling in. It may help them on a path out of religion. Of course, it's fun to hear them rant too! On the "coming out issue": I'm straight and cannot pretend to know what it's like to come out as gay, bi, or trans, but I also have family that are fundamentalist. My cousin's a preacher! One of my cousins came out as a lesbian and my family's response was "she just hasn't found the right guy yet" (wrong, but a better response to me being an atheist). But when I came out as an atheist I was shunned! I'm sure like Katy points out this is a much bigger deal in America than it is in the U.K., but it also depends on where you live in America. I live in a large city once and was open about being an atheist, I got no negative response from anyone. However, I'm from what is known in America as the "Bible Belt" (south), coming out there I lost friends, shunned by family, and was even worried about losing my job. Hope this doesn't offend anyone, but ever since I have felt an empathy and sympathy for any LGBTQ that are discriminated against because of their lifestyle.

[@brucewilliams4152]

As Katy correctly says, here in the uk, religion isn't an issue.

[@owenoulton9312]

To correct -Student Doctor- God King Ben, I'd quote Godless Engineer, _"Citation _*_FUCKING_*_ Needed!"_

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

For what, specifically?

[@RozzieBass]

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Ben said it in response to the caller saying "identity politics has killed millions of people"

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

@@RozzieBass one word: "Fascism".

[@richardmooney383]

I can't believe Katie is not sure how to pronounce Malachi's name. It's the same as the last book of the Old Testament!

[@richardmooney383]

@Gary Allen I'm British too, but, being an atheist, have read Malachi. It's Christians who generally don't know the Bible.

[@mikeinmelbourne9491]

Caller doesn't listen

[@salacious8crumb]

As far as I can tell (English being my second language), Malachi seems to think Identity Politics is a group of people, instead of it being an ideology?

[@ericwilliams1659]

Correct, Malachi is misrepresenting what things are.

[@yoredeerleader]

Leviticus 20:13 doesn’t like my identity.

[@badatheist9948]

this guy has called many times with different names. And every time he calls he makes a fool of himself.

[@guybrush1701]

What are some other ones? I want to hear his other non-existent-god-awful arguments.

[@tedmoy]

As an atheist, I strive toward being a thing of the past

[@antoniom4099]

Stalin accused people of blah blah blah. What a d-bag.

[@Frynge357]

I really DO wish it was a matter of "OK, Cool." it really isn't. and that's the problem, dude. that's why people "come out".

[@seanmeehan5955]

I wonder if the caller understands why he's resentful, or if he even recognizes that he is angry and resentful.

[@Void7.4.14]

It sounds like the caller is a kid from the South, so while I can understand their lack of understanding the world and people and all the nuances, it's hard for me to understand why they don't understand how bad it can be. Given the biblical name they carry it just seems unlikely that they haven't seen it. Sounds like they've been listening to the Tim Pool types. I came up in NYC where, sure, a lotta people are religious and some are VERY religious, but it just wasn't a huge issue for a lotta us. We also had the benefit of being in a place that's so diverse and somewhat socially progressive (at least in comparison to some other places) that we largely saw religion on its best behavior and just tryna stay relevant with soup kitchens, homeless shelters, charities, etc, and a smile. I'd seen it in small doses on visits staying with family in the South but it wasn't till I moved down here that I realized the stranglehold religion has on people. Rather they're Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, even the Hare Krishnas here, pretty much all faiths in the area are hyper-conservative/ reactionary authoritarians. It's bad. Back home I was an atheist that thought reason had a chance, here I'm a pessimistic anti-theist lol

[@vatsmith8759]

Oh for goodness' sake, where do they find these people? Neither atheism nor theism has political leanings whereas atheists and theists generally do.

[@MrKit9]

Malachi is lucky that we still have the "Andy Griffith Show" or else he'd have nothing to watch on his black and white TV after a glass of Tang each night.

[@guybrush1701]

Hey, don't knock Tang! Lol

[@countroshculla]

Malachi telling jokes at the end. Good one mate, start your stand up career now.

[@aitorgonzalez4657]

Malachi has a tremendous chip on their shoulder regarding atheism and I wonder why.

[@lukesmithasada]

Willful ignorance does not a good argument make. His call was just intellectual laziness.

[@jrasicmark1]

Sorry, this is affecting me similarly to Ben, so I feel compelled to comment before the video is over. So I apologize if these points I'm about to make are made later. I live in the South, in the Bible Belt, and as Katy said, most people just assume everyone here is Christian. And I agree with Katy's other point that atheism is seen as more of a choice than being gay or trans (though most Christians I've met think those are choices as well), but I suspect Malachi is going one step further than that. When he says he doesn't understand why atheists have to come out, even after hearing Ben's story, I suspect he's saying he thinks Ben should have hidden his atheism from his family and continued going to church even though he doesn't believe it. A lot of Christians I know think the same about gay and trans people, that they should continue to live in the closet, in secret, and never show affection for their partners in public and that trans people shouldn't be allowed access to hormone therapy or gender surgery (sorry if I'm using the wrong terms here). But here's the thing; the church has very negative teachings about being gay. Being a gay or trans atheist, and being forced to listen to that hateful rhetoric every week can be very depressing and it could lead to feelings of isolation. I could see that it might actually lead to people getting so depressed they want to end their own lives. Being forced to live a lie is a dark, depressing life. Malachi should think how he'd feel if he was forced to hang out with people who talk like they hate him.

[@tomallen4669]

Malachi : how many political office holders in the (great) state of Arkansas are not outwardly "Christian" ? Where do y'all rank in education , health care outcomes , personal happiness , crime ? Does the term slack jawed bugger eater mean anything to you?

[@devb9912]

This was a poe call... right?

[@Vaishino]

I think this caller was trolling

[@ericwilliams1659]

Same, he didn't even listen to the host's stories. He also had rebuttals ready like he was following a script.

[@antoniom4099]

Guys, you’re wasting your breath. Malachi isn’t listening. He an angry kid.

[@UbNoc]

It kinda sounded in the beginning like he was saying he that it was wrong for trans doctors to be involved with children in any way?

[@sparki9085]

Phenomenal job of not listening by this caller. Edit: I'd have asked the caller if he drinks water. Cuz Hitler drank water!!1! Checkmate!

[@ericwilliams1659]

Oh no, i drink water.

[@theleasthigh]

Its illegal to hold public office in the US. People only come out as much as atheism is taboo in any society. Where some people dont have to necessarily come out to anyone because its not a big deal many other people in the US have a entirely different experience. The majority of the US is christian. Christians make a enormous deal about it when they learn others dont believe. Caller doesnt sound like he has much real world experience.

[@ParanormalEncyclopedia]

I do have a secular argument against same sex marriage and its at least as rational and legitimate as any religious argument against it, please note im NOT saying it's any good because it's not its silly just that religious arguments are also trash and it doesn't invoke God. Same sex marriage may lead to kids and they means one of two things. 2 dads= double dad jokes which violates a Geneva convention or something 2 moms equal: recursive loop of I don't know ask your mother Since that's as goof as arguments get.... let's keep same sex marriage legal

[@latinzane]

Malachi sounds rather innocent to the realities of life. That or he's upset that his community isn't trying to be grouped together. Lmao.

[@opalacios666]

Indoctrinated much!? Religion made me think and talk like this guy.

[@skindred1888]

Is he saying that LGBT is just a new package for communism ? Haha

[@ronaldoberne4221]

he is trolling u

[@OmnivorousReader]

I did not like this caller. And I suspect he was not listening to a word either of you said.

[@dhwyll]

Tell us you're a troll without saying you're a troll....

[@brucewilliams4152]

Atheism is not having reason to believe in a God or gods on evidence.

[@liranpiade4499]

Ben's bi? 😲 I thought he was straight this whole time 🤯 well, what do you know! Not a lot of bi men out there, it's awesome that he's one of them 😁

[@Gerryjournal]

An atheist community?

[@chrischandler889]

In a libertarian society healthcare for all would have to be funded via voluntarily funded. How many here is for that?

[@H.hipster]

Let's be real ... people don't " die " for coming out in first world countries.

[@Gambit0590]

You're not just wrong, you're stupid, unless you're saying the US isn't a first world country

[@H.hipster]

@Fang1241 who was the last person you know that literally died for coming out in the US?

[@thefirm4606]

Agnostic? No malachi, you most certainly are not. Screaming fundie afoot

[@richardmooney383]

I think both Ben and Katy are being a bit disingenuous when they claim campaigns for trans, gay, bi, and atheist rights do not impact heterosexual men and women, religious people or other special interest groups. These things are fine until they become "woke", then they can become damaging. Many academics and others in my country (Britain) have had their careers and lives damaged because they challenged trans orthodoxy in their support of women's rights. I am a male heterosexual atheist, so I don't really have much skin in the game; but I care about fairness, and insisting that anyone who does not agree with you has a malicious agenda is simply not fair.

[@Gambit0590]

Using women as a shield from the consequences of your bigotry is extremely fucked up

[@richardmooney383]

@@Gambit0590 Q.E.D.

[@lachlandunn2137]

​@@richardmooney383people that use woke as a pejorative very rarely argue in good faith. Who has had their career ruined and what is the trans orthodoxy?

[@richardmooney383]

@lachlandunn2137 I don't understand your first point and can't be bothered to answer your question.

[@richardmooney383]

@@Imperial-Socialist Not understanding an argument does not amount to ignorance (unless of the interlocutor's viewpoint) and the answers to the question are too numerous to list, though I would point out that I said "damaged" not "ruined".

[@dandrechesterfield5411]

I’m intersex and an atheist and I completely agree with this caller. lgbtq people love bragging about being victimized or act like their victimized when the majority of people don’t give a shit and aren’t thinking about them at all. They/we have all the rights in the world we just want more attention.

[@Gambit0590]

Why are you lying? Or are you an idiot

[@dandrechesterfield5411]

@@Gambit0590 I’m not lying nor am I stupid. Have you not noticed more than half the country and an even larger part of the world agree with what I said. That’s why there’s a nonstop conversation about it for the last 7 years. I was born intersex and I don’t agree with any of the trans rhetoric going around. It’s a slap in the face to someone who didn’t get to jump around day to day deciding what gender they feel like. It’s BS and the majority of people doing it are teens and early 20’s kids looking for a way to stand out and get attention.

[@Penrodyn]

Too much preaching from the hosts and no enough dissecting his arguments by asking him questions. A lost opportunity I think.

[@darklyripley6138]

I actually feel this caller isn’t totally insane. With the amount of wokeness that people deal with, you’re going to get sick or it, and lash out at anything that sounds like it. As an atheist and someone who is lgbt, I don’t agree with calling it “the lgbt community”. Pretty much every lgbt person disagrees or hates others in the category. A lot of the hostility I see lgbt people getting is brought on by themselves. The amount of hostility, aggression, and moral grandstanding by the “lgbt community” is astounding. It’s no wonder not many people want to be our allies. People are so fed up with identity politics, and wokeness, and intersectionality, that we’re gonna put our foot down eventually. It’s gotten so bad that I know gay people who will not even talk to someone who looks like Ben, because they can pretty much tell exactly what type of person they are just by looking at them. By the way, letting children transition isn’t right. It’s one thing to let a kid dress in the other sexes clothes. But to medically transition them? I can’t believe anyone supports that. What the hell has happened to ACA?

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

So you're fed up with people being treated like equal individuals and people fighting for being treated like equal individuals?????

[@Gnomig01]

@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite i think they meant with shit getting out of hand. when someones pronouns are being rock/rockself or dog/dogself, its getting absolutely rediculous. Most people will agree for equality and rights. but at a certain point, some concepts just go too far.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

@@Gnomig01 nice strawman there because no one's doing that. So you're arguing against something that isn't even happening and somehow you think this is a good argument. People that don't want to respect other people's pronouns complain about using they/them. Making up an alternative set of pronoun is completely reasonable because we make up words all the time. It's just incompetent jerks that want to complain about making up new words and terms. We didn't know what atoms were so we had to make up a word we didn't know what courts were so we had to make up a word. we made up words for everything because all words are made up. What difference does it make if someone wants to create a new set of pronouns to better fit their gender identity? You just want something to complain about

[@jeffreylehman1159]

I hate to say this , but I totally do not believe that you are a member of that community. If you are , I think that self hatred is going on, but I believe this is like theist callers saying “ I used to be an atheist, but…”

[@Jasper_the_Cat]

@@jeffreylehman1159 yeah, same vibes. It's a bit over-the-top. To be fair, there are some real self-haters and pick-me's out there, but a lot of these online posters are covert fascists, obsessed gender critters, and right wingers who are trying to throw a wedge between the LGBTQ community, in particular, the goal seems to be to isolate trans people for political reasons. Too bad for them this cis lesbian finds their attempts pathetic and tedious. There's no LGBT without the T. Those who know, know.

[@cheapshot2842]

I still have to come out to my family as Trans and Atheist. I'm really not sure which freaks me out more. But I do feel slightly guilty that when I come out they will definitely blame the one on me being the other.

[@josephine4s]

I wish you the best! I feel similarly

[@amadddd0]

A redneck who learned to read.... But it was discount wikipedia

[@No-cg9kj]

These people are always from the deep south lol.

[@bradweir]

Gay Christians come forward. 🤫