Pensioners to be TARGETED as HMRC demands tax on pensions: 'There are too many old people in the UK'

[@gilbert7794]

Don’t tax out pensioners cut overseas aid and stop paying illegal and economic immigrants any benifits and deport asap.

[@G.A.R.2002]

Cancel all of the overseas budgets. We should not be paying for any of them

[@colinanderson7384]

Sorry, but our government wants to thoroughly violate our working and middle asses, entrepreneurs and pensioners in order to pay to maximise immigration to their desired levels.

[@nickg2431]

we dont need overseas aid as we give it out in our country already

[@derelbriarley6786]

You don't seriously believe anyone will take such action?

[@dodahspeak]

@@derelbriarley6786 He/She said it but I'm quite sure he/she doesn't seriously believe anyone will take such action. The way things are going on so many fronts in this country (and elsewhere) we're edging ever closer to civil unrest and violence on the streets.

[@Mninoyb]

We pay taxes on our wages...then we pay taxes on our pensions....disgusting!!!!

[@nickmiller76]

We pay tax on our income, above a certain threshold, wherever it comes from, and that's perfectly reasonable. You can't just carry on enjoying the benefits of living in a civilised society and expect not to pay your fair share into the system.

[@Mninoyb]

@@nickmiller76 But the pensioners have worked for decades paying their taxes. Why do their pensions have to be taxed again??

[@CL-he4jz]

​@@nickmiller76 not everyone pays these tax rates. the very richest get to pay 8% via many loopholes. there was 39 billion tax from the very highest incomes, reported uncollected in uk in a report witheld during the election campaign, in June.

[@JAmesgisby]

@@nickmiller76 but they have they spent there whole lives paying into the system to be able to enjoy their retirement, 50 to 60 years of being a good citizen and paying there way is being fair to the systmem what kind of C U N T are you

[@Angel-dark68]

There are going to be a LOT of immigrants pensioners in a few years,what then???

[@williamkennedy5492]

One of the lowest state pensions in Europe and we are hit yet again by tax grabbing incompetent civil servants.

[@unusedsub3003]

Move to France then 😂

[@francescostello1377]

Indeed, HMRC Zionist gangsters in suits. Watch alternative media with independent journalism, Richard Wolff for finance info

[@g8ymw]

@@unusedsub3003 The Islamic State of France?

[@francescostello1377]

@@unusedsub3003 really, that's your answer, another still asleep I take you have no knowledge of the absolute Zionist imperialistic corruption within our undemocratic country, might want to do some research on that one, you have the Internet use it.

[@tonyfincham6126]

@@unusedsub3003is that what you will do when you get yours that you have worked Hard & paid for .

[@jeffreyallen9626]

To say there are too many old people who worked all of their lives paying taxes and taking care of their families is disgusting 😡

[@SISU889]

They NEVER say there's too many workers paying tax !

[@AntonyClayton-eq1ul]

Need to push back against the mass uncontrolled immigration of young Muslim men of fighting age. No family or womenfolk. Just here to rise up against you when your government gives the signal. And all the other obscene misappropriations of British taxpayers wealth to benefit WEF controlled beneficiaries. All over the world. Illegal wars. To enrich the Rothschild and Sorros bankers.

[@carolynellis387]

@jeffreyallen9626 It's just as well there are too many old people around, as everyone knows we have built on our forefathers sacrifices from both World Wars, and others, to have the financial reserves many, many immigrants now benefit from. Gordon Brown raised our pension monies and sold off our very valuable gold reserves Politicians ruined our country, not built it up

[@davefish8107]

@@SISU889also they never say that there’s too many migrants on benefits

[@154_madison]

And elderly disabled parents at the same time as working full time and bringing up a family!

[@jackx4311]

(HMRC): 'There are too many old people in the UK' Nope - there are too many *IMMIGRANTS* in this country who haven't worked since the day they arrived. I spent 50 years paying for my state pension, and more years paying for my private pension - they haven't contributed a brass farthing.

[@wendybrierley5412]

We worked and paid tax all our lives and I am still paying(husband passed away). I feel very sorry for those who just missed the Pension Credit, still low income for todays standard. and now the Winter fuel is going- making it even worse for these pensioners. Government should not give away money to those who have not worked or contributed to the system. They come here to steal from us and we are paying for their hotel and food and money ect... So rediculous! We don't like it but can't do anything. Where is Human rights now??

[@georgedunham1180]

Spot on comment jackx4311

[@GrahamHumphreys-e4l]

Totally agree....

[@patruddick]

starmer and his labour croonies cannot get away with this .they must NOT get away with it .

[@carolineyoungs5878]

@@patruddick Sadly, they can, and they will. With all their expenses, allowances and extras, why should they care about the elderly who will have to choose between heating and eating.

[@timetraveller9321]

Stop the lords £350 a day allowance restrict mps expenses so they cannot include their weekly food shop, electric bill, gas bill, tv licence, clothes, travel, council tax and you would save millions

[@robertchallis836]

We need to drain the swamp and get their greedy snouts out of the trough they are so corrupt.

[@alangriffiths2100]

The lords are a drain on people. 350 pounds a day just to show their faces. Who values these people? And while we are at it restrict MPs so called exspenis

[@Paul-nu7nj]

just get rid of parliament, we can use computers to run a country these days.

[@carolynellis387]

@@timetraveller9321 And it's about time that all MPs stopped having 3 course meals subsidised in Parliament in this day and age of Cost of Living crisis.

[@ssquiidd]

You really think someone would stand up publicly and cut not only their own wage but their friends and colleagues around them? Your wishing upon a star

[@patbillingsley3082]

We are all being taxed to keep immigrants in a good accommodation their meals,never mind us going without it the government stopped paying for all this we would be better off.

[@coolboy5428]

Why don't you not pay?

[@Nobody-l8q]

It’s not for that . Please educate yourself. The Tories spiffed the tax payers money on useless rubbish : PPE for instance , Rwanda scheme and so on .

[@MargaretAnderson-ti1sw]

Sounds like the immigrants are living better than some pensioners who will have to pay to keep those people in accomodation far better than how the pensioners live.

[@carmelgrace8655]

And what about all those millions sent to Ukraine to support the phoney war.

[@PeteH0121]

Not immigrants, gimmegrants.

[@exsubmariner]

Stop paying migrants to stay in hotels at £50 a day 365 days a year

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Have pity! The Wifi in some of their hotels is often very slow. What about their Yuman Rites??

[@bobbyscombover]

£50 a day? Triple that mate

[@exsubmariner]

@@bobbyscombover government get special rates for block bookings depending on areas

[@milesbrown8016]

Govt wants to destroy English people. Wake up

[@murielhowells2420]

Who voted labour ….knew this would happen …

[@ianlarman]

I'm getting sick of being told there are 'too many old people'!!!! There are too many foreigners!!!!

[@YinusaSaheed]

I'm 54 and my wife and I are VERY worried about our future, gas and food prices rising daily. We have had our savings dwindle with the cost of living into the stratosphere, and we are finding it impossible to replace them. We can get by, but can't seem to get ahead. My condolences to anyone retiring in this crisis, 30 years nonstop just for a crooked system to take all you worked for...

[@TylerMohn-g9l]

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[@YinusaSaheed]

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[@TylerMohn-g9l]

@@YinusaSaheed My advisor is VICTORIA CARMEN SANTAELLA.

[@TylerMohn-g9l]

You can look her up online .

[@TylerMohn-g9l]

Nah I Can't say I can relate, VICTORIA CARMEN SANTAELLA charge is one-off and pretty reasonable when compared to what I benefit in returns.

[@pauls3047]

not too many old people, but rather too many illegal arrivals that dont work and will likely never work.

[@andrewjenkinson7052]

They cannot work because they are ILLEGAL . Make them legal and they can work to provide for the pensioners.

[@PeteH0121]

Yes, many of them "married" under Sharia Law and thus getting the UK taxpayer to support them having several children by numerous wives. The government could outlaw this but of course they won't because both the main parties are entirely WOKE.

[@robertgreen8000]

Mosques more important for them

[@jamesbirch388]

Get a life for gods sake

[@weareone910]

Who says they don't work ,Conservatives wouldn't process them so they couldn't, there was no legal root for them ,most are innocent hard working people who want to work and pay their taxes and contribute to society, the constant blame on immigrants is so wrong

[@ringburner3611]

Imagine paying into a pension system your entire working life, breaking your body year by year, paying income tax the whole time to only get a pittance at the end and then at the end of it all to be taxed on what you already saved in the system. Imagine. No wonder the younger upcoming generations dont have the same work ethics as the older generations. Its a broken system and not worth working for

[@AndrooUK]

State pensions were originally conceived to support the small number who actually didn't work until their demise, it was never designed to support a full elderly population.

[@unusedsub3003]

Come on, get real. These are Boomers, not the people Orwell wrote about in Road to Wigan Pier.😂

[@Pinhoser]

You are classed as one of the 'lucky ones' who have been able to do so

[@stuartregan1627]

The Government treat pensioners like pit pony,s

[@unusedsub3003]

@@stuartregan1627 Get real. The politicians are always pandering to the blue rinse brigade.

[@agentjacob4099]

Pensioners are forced to live below the poverty line by a terrible system. If only wealthy politicians could subsist only on pensions!

[@ArchieJohnson5h]

Having roughly £350K in ISAs with my spouse makes it hard to adjust to consistent five-figure fluctuations. Even though I profited £21K from market fluctuations last month, it's not really "enjoyable" for a number of reasons, including "Yeah, but the bubble is just getting bigger" or "I have years until retirement, so everything is more expensive." You always seem to be afraid of the worse.

[@ArchieJohnson5h]

Still, self-education-which includes seeing films like this one-has its advantages. Plus, a great market analyst like Lois Jean Frueh whom I do work with, puts up a really well-rounded professional guide.

[@ArchieJohnson5h]

P.S. It's not like I'm not used to four figure swings; I play side hustle poker and blackjack. But the market appears so distant. and quite apart from what you did. If you're winning, especially at poker, you know you have what it takes to overcome any setbacks and fluctuations. With the market, all you have to do is buckle up and trust the process!

[@agentjacob4099]

This is quite advantageous! We have similar finances at fifty-seven. Now that the house is paid for, I'm more comfortable talking about retirement.

[@flori-mrs4]

I'm glad to hear you think reform is necessary for the FA! She had given me specifics as I looked outside.

[@California265]

There aren’t too many old people, there are too many immigrants

[@Pauline-b1u]

At least the old have paid their way.......deport immigrants now.....

[@ianmeek6556]

I have been taxed on my pensions for several years, its because tax threshold has NOT BEEN INCREASED FOR MANY YEARS!!

[@Beefeater1234]

If he starts taking money from struggling pensioners that will be his end.

[@Theforestbandit]

oh dear i wont be able to pay the council tax hike.

[@kevlahead7278]

With that huge majority the numpties gave them they can do just about anything they want!

[@weewilliewinkle]

Dearie Me! We might not have to wait until 2029 to see the back of Starmer after all at this rate! Council elections before too long. Protest vote the Labour councillors out. That will put a very dark cloud over Starmer and most Labour MP's. Labour councils are generally lousy at handling money in any case so they won't be missed! How many Labour councils are bankrupt? I've lost count!

[@voodoomotion5855]

People with reasonable savings/wealth will take their money abroad, then good luck! They wont even be able to afford to print more. Emigration is becoming ever more tempting, however i value being close to my parents/family and prefer the UK climate 😂

[@karen4609]

already been stopped tax from this april

[@margaretyoung4679]

And Starmer has made himself exempt from tax on his pension. Unbelievable .

[@gizellabartos743]

How can he do that !

[@suegillies1096]

Which is why he wants to tax ordinary pensioners who have already paid their taxes all their working life…..Slimy Starmer has never “worked” a day in his privileged life!

[@laurenceteague4099]

Rubbish

[@patruddick]

WHY is he any different from us ,do all the labour party pay tax

[@stevengriffin7873]

Totally believable.

[@alantaylor8043]

Stop giving illegal immigrants and people on benefits who don't want to work

[@isobelmiddleton6353]

Leave the pensioners alone . What about their grandchildren??. They're not called GRAND parents for nothing. Their grandchildren need them.. lots of pensioners are struggling as it is.Srop wasting money on illegals. The pensioners deserve their pensions

[@dalebenton3354]

They work or not,I chucked them out 14 years ago,Why should they all come over here for Jobs or Benefits,Wont mind so much them coming over for a Holiday,Long as they pay for it them selves would be better

[@robertvipers4681]

Pensioners should NEVER Pay tax!! Its a disgrace!!

[@laurenceteague4099]

Why????

[@12235117657598502586]

@@laurenceteague4099 Errr… Too old. Majority are sick or too weak physically to do full time work. The real question is: Why aren’t more illegals working? Isn’t that why all previous governments let them flood i?

[@petersmith7126]

I pay tax as my two private pensions take me over the tax threshold when added to the state pension..... Make the pension non taxable income

[@AstroZombie1138]

Obviously because private pensions are taxable but I think he means those solely relying on a state pension.

[@PaulTube-ib4sz]

taxing pensioners rather than the billionaires ...disgusting

[@jodehavilland7102]

Billionaires are already paying the bills of the unemployed, the workshy etc

[@PaulTube-ib4sz]

@@jodehavilland7102 you are kidding aren’t you … the tax system is so corrupt in this country … if you are paye you pay for everything and for everyone … it’s a joke

[@applehype9894]

@@jodehavilland7102 Pensioners earned theirs though .. give us a break !!!!

[@applehype9894]

@@jodehavilland7102The tax system is corrupt billionaires never pay what they should

[@franglais-riders]

@@jodehavilland7102they have all in trust funds. Look at the Duke of Westminster, richest man in the Uk, when he died his son did barely pay any inheritance tax. Inherited billions untaxed. They have the best accountants…. And they are mobile. They can decide to leave.

[@winniepeg9869]

There’s a financial black hole and they want pensioners to pay for it. The black hole is caused by paying for these *#*#*#* in the hotels ….

[@Roatanlova68fmp71lliiiak]

We should all stop paying council tax

[@davidwall6996]

Yes exactly right, They take from us to give to them.

[@stevewright7745]

Thank you, finally, someone has noticed that it's just the pensioners that has to try and put it right, wouldn't be so bad if they made everyone else cough up £300 to equal the winter fuel allowance that we're about to lose, we'd all be equal then.

[@chrismccartney8668]

Hope all the labour voters enjoy this complete mess... Well Done Keir !!!

[@GaryMiles-hx3dz]

This was inherited from the last government

[@terrykirkland4452]

It's got nothing to with Labour ,Jeremy Hunt brought this in Labour have yet to confirm whether it will continue with it Blame the Tories

[@keithwebster9131]

@@terrykirkland4452yes and the conservatives would have raised the tax free allowance for those on state pensions. Don’t get me started on the £500 they’ve just taken off all of us.

[@denzilwheeler7667]

The Tories are to blame it's their stealth tax because they didn't raise personal tax allowance in line with inflation. It amazes me how clueless UK residents are.

[@terrykirkland4452]

Perhaps you would like to explain why pensioners have been paying this tax for two years . Brought in by Hunt in 2022 . The same Hunt who stood up in the Commons and said Quote £100, 000 a year is not a big wage .

[@mightymo8699]

We have already paid tax on our pension!! It ISNT A BENEFIT WE PAID FOR IT!!

[@AnneMechen-no5gj]

According to the DWP letter when they inform you of your pension rise it actually states the pension is a benefit. If every pensioner took their savings, private pension out of the banks etc....put overseas...this government would panic

[@maxthelab8457]

Well not quite - if you have a private pension plan the contributions are credited Tax Free i.e. you pay £100 into the plan from your salary, the plan gets credited £120 or £140 etc. So it is justified that when you draw the pension you pay tax - otherwise it's tax-free all the way, and the wealthy would sure take advantage of that! Also your NI/Tax is deducted from your gross salary, you get the net...They don't tax your salary at your marginal rate - then take NI from that ( if you can see what I mean ).

[@Brummie666]

@@Mudbath60 Wrong I'm afraid. It's been classed as an income replacement benefit since is inception

[@laurenceteague4099]

No you didn't. Pension contributions are not taxed

[@karenneville-b8q]

I’m a widow of 69 and am living from hand to mouth. I wore so many layers of clothing to keep warm this year it took me an hour to undress for bed, then another half hour to layer up on night clothes. A tin of soup for lunch and a slice of toast and jam for supper. I’ve worked all my life doing a man’s job which left me crippled. I’m sick of all of them.

[@BinkySocks]

Take care of yourself. What a terrible situation 😢

[@evgeniynagornyak1150]

HRMS paying to Ukrainians pension age migrants but they don't live in the uk. Came, opened bank accounts, applied for benefits, which is about £200/week and, straight away left the uk. HRMS never checked on Ukrainians and, still paying, regularly. + winter fuel + economic crisis. Ukrainians never worked a single day, never payed a one penny of tax but receiving more than ours pensioners. Disgrace.

[@carolynellis387]

And almost immediately, these people seem to be in the thick of opening up businesses, making good money in different ways, and going home to Ukraine on holiday. This holiday was told to me by a Ukrainian woman, so she could get some hospital care as she thought our NHS was dreadful!!!! Not wrong there though

[@Popeye209]

Where is your proof?

[@DavidJarrold-e7j]

You have a good Russian name there Evgeni

[@petewood3493]

Taxing pensions…… A whole new level of immorality 💁‍♂️

[@boota1979]

@petewood3493 This not a new thing! It's about your total income and if you're over your personal allowance you pay tax, wrong but pretty simple...

[@boota1979]

@peterholden3672 Hang on you're firstly saying taxing pensions is a whole new level of immorality and now you're saying you would tax them more!! Make your mind up!! Which means when they lower the personal allowance, to accommodate this, if you're working, you will also be taxed more...

[@deborahwyndham-lewis5188]

People will just accept it like they did 2020 that’s why they are getting away with it

[@widowmakersworld]

Talking about this shit not long before it turns cold again....meanwhile the government are wasting millions a week accommodating dingy divers WTF?

[@davidbarlow350]

The f*cking nerve of Starmer's cronies. The UK already pays the 25th worst pension in the world,and they've got the bloody cheek to try and screw them more. Starmer,being the only person in the UK to have a Parliament ruling to not tax HIS pension is a bloody liar and a hypocrite. THANKS LABOUR VOTERS.

[@hugheaston7598]

Yes, Starmer has his very own law to give him a tax free pension. It's called "The Pensions Increase (Pension Scheme for Keir Starmer QC) Regulations 2013". No joke. One of the perks of being the director of public prosecutions, you can make up your own laws.

[@robertchallis836]

Spot on 100% Agree.

[@VanessaPenny]

Re Starmer's pension, a quotation from George Orwell's Animal Farm says it all: "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others"!

[@maureenrobinson1105]

​@@hugheaston7598The biggest hypocript in the country.My God can't wait for parliament to return.Give him plenty of bile.Starmer & co as they will get rid in the next election.

[@Wrtp.]

That’s what you get when you vote Labour 100%.

[@dalebenton3354]

Blue Tories are any better,Vote blue tories %100

[@laurenceteague4099]

Actually it is a Tory policy as outlined by Jeremy Hunt. They even tell you that in the video!

[@VanessaPenny]

@@laurenceteague4099 No it isn't - it was in the Tory manifesto in the recent Election that tax would NEVER be charged on the State Old Age Pension. This was to protect pensioners who would otherwise come into tax when their annual State Pension (increasing each year under the Triple Lock) started to exceed the (tax-free but frozen) Nil Rate Band. Needless to say, Labour chose not to match this Conservative policy.

[@davidkilpatrick2164]

Glad I never voted for them they are full of promises as soon as they get voted Inn they do the opposite.

[@stegeorgy60]

Labour have gladly adopted the freeze on allowances instigated by the tories. I have always voted Tory but no more, their “ambition” to scrap NI has a cost! Pensioners are already feeling that with the means testing of the winter fuel allowance. If the conservatives hadn’t given away another 2% NI at a cost of £20b then there would be no need for labour to trot out “we cannot afford it”. We went from an additional NI charge to pay for NHS and social care to a 4% giveaway with the potential for more to come if they had remained in power. ,

[@Noseypoke-mr7th]

IMMIUGRANTS ARE ON £25,000+ BENEFITS WITH NO INPUT...PENSIONERS £12,000 with paying in+ taxed all they're working life

[@markusparkus68]

....and they will all receive pensions.

[@BinkySocks]

@@markusparkus68yes they will plus many more extras we will never see

[@graemestansfield6170]

It's disgusting to get taxed when you worked all your life.

[@lizauger9828]

@@graemestansfield6170 yes agree but have they all worked all their life till age 66 not all that's certain

[@laurenceteague4099]

If you make a taxable income what's working all your life got to do with it??

[@applehype9894]

@@lizauger9828 To get £ 11,500 they have to have worked all their lives to build it to the max state pension

[@dianegordon5040]

So they are being penalised because, they worked throughout their lives saved and put money aside for their retirements and yet somebody that has either never worked or never put money aside for their retirements will pay nothing, Wonderful country we live in ???🤨😡

[@bowjana8128]

Worst country in the world

[@stevewright7745]

Exactly, no one else is going to suffer, wouldn't be as bad if everyone else had to cough up £300 each, we'd all be equal then.

[@MaryDaly-yb8zc]

That’s socialism for you…take from those who have worked, & give to those who do not.

[@bowjana8128]

@joem7799 no point working

[@patruddick]

you're even penalised ,because you saved ,did without luxuries ,or a car. to buy a home ,now the Government want that off you .

[@lyndahorgan3306]

I cannot see how people didn’t think Rachel Reeves wasn’t going to do this, it was obvious when she was electioneering.

[@GaryBurdenuik-g8y]

They work for us we need to remind them.

[@scot6120]

It's actually Jeremy Hunts fault

[@PeteH0121]

Ha ha. It was obvious from the fact that she is a part of the Labour party. Once the party of the working class but now the party of the workshy class.

[@lyndahorgan3306]

@@PeteH0121 I totally agree with you.

[@maxthelab8457]

Those that put a cross against Labour need to be reminded they VOTED for these morons, so shut up and eat up. It amazes me the poor NEVER seem to get the message, the poor get poorer under Labour, it's just all smoke and mirrors.

[@tillybobs2]

Working all their lives paying into the system, taxed on earnings, taxed when spending, now taxed on pensions, it disgusting

[@Anythinggoes-1999]

It doesn’t matter how small the tax demand is …we’ve paid ALL my life … start going after the people NOT working 😡🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@bvigor]

Disgusting, saying there too many elderly people, no there's too many people not working paying there fair share when they should be. Go after those first.

[@karen4609]

like all the illegal cash in hand immigrants

[@shirleybates5740]

My father in law died a few months after retiring what happen to all the money he paid in for that pension . He worked from age 14. .serve our country and then didn’t even get his pension.

[@GaryBurdenuik-g8y]

Embezzled

[@Zefyna]

Yes, my father died when he was 58, 2 years away from pension age then. He worked since he was 16, lost six years of his life in World War II stationed in Kenya and Burma.

[@boota1979]

@shirleybates5740 Same with my Dad and husband!

[@lindawigman6872]

@@DeathToZioWarPigsIdiot

[@juliewills8034]

My late father died at 62, so he never claimed his pension.

[@NickQuigley-dp9so]

So they want to tax more money that has already been taxed and we all know where this extra money is going

[@waikintang8246]

They need more money to feed aliexx up.

[@chrisdawson6380]

Just to be clear- state pension contributions or National insurance is deducted before income tax is paid, so no tax has been paid previously on anyone's state pension. Currently your state pension has to exceed your yearly tax allowance before tax is paid or If you have a private pension as well, then the combined yearly total of both or all pensions is taxed at 20% on all pension allowances over your yearly tax allowance. After my state pension my tax allowance is around 300 meaning I have £3000 left / year before I pay tax. I have a second private pension and the tax is deducted monthly from that after an allowance of the £3000 left over from my tax allowance is deducted from my annual private pension. Any rise in state pension means I pay more tax from my private pension at 20%. If I were luck enough to have a pension that takes me into the next tax bracket of 40% then I would be very happy- but I dont.

[@charlybeagrie1119]

The Personal Allowance is too low.

[@iap-ug3oy]

I worked for over fifty years and paid a full insurance stamp…to get my pension, and I can just get by on it now…..So now this tax is going to keep invaders that are living free in hotels….WELL DONE PARLIAMENT. WHICH CLEVER CLOGS THOUGHT THIS ONE UP ??

[@anthonyjamesroyle9591]

kier starmer put in to law (under MASS MURDERER BLAIR )that these freeloaders get the same treatment as UK citizens

[@stequality]

Whatever happened to 'protect the vulnerable' ? Get what you vote for

[@rodneyfungus8249]

They are not vulnerable. They are being taxed on their income just like everyone else.

[@stequality]

@@rodneyfungus8249 didn't they get taxed when they were working ?

[@stequality]

@peterholden3672 sounds like they love it regardless hence why they are rich and will no doubt stay that way

[@stequality]

@peterholden3672 they do yes, but do you agree with taxing the elderly more ?

[@stequality]

@peterholden3672 well good point, that being said, why are so many people exempt from tax of any kind, like dossers and new arrivals ?

[@PaulB-q3d]

They were voted in, Reform were offering to raise the lowest tax band to 20k...

[@AndrooUK]

BREAKING NEWS: Labour loves spending other people's money. 😅

[@russellbolas3828]

Well said mate 👏

[@boota1979]

@PaulB-q3d Reform could say what ever they liked with no repercussions, because they didn't have a cat in hells chance of winning!

[@Davina-c7v]

No but it was clearly a policy worth looking at, minimum wage workers should not be taxed, the threshold is now way too low.

[@PaulB-q3d]

@@boota1979 What's Liebors excuse?

[@jack_timber]

Nothing new then, Pensioners have been paying tax for years

[@unusedsub3003]

Freeloading boomers 🤭

[@nickmiller76]

@@unusedsub3003 I pay over £300 per month income tax at age 72. I wonder how much you pay?

[@Redpilled66]

Only if they work

[@unusedsub3003]

@@nickmiller76 Left the UK years ago, didn’t like it much.

[@moretus2270]

​@@nickmiller76😮 that's awful. Honestly this country has had it 😔

[@senianns9522]

Those wonderful people that returned to Manchester Airport were actually getting benefits paid to them whilst living in Pakistan! Say what?? Our pensioners are being persecuted to aid foreigners living in the UK!

[@Annie-yv7rc]

Stop the duel passports ( nationality) it’s biggest scam ever

[@lem5288]

We get it Michael. You don't need to repeat it twice that there are too many of us oldies. I apologise for working from 17 until 68, keeping myself slim, fit and as healthy as I can and for still being alive. Take note youngsters because if you are lucky you will be made to feel a burden on society in years to come.

[@angeladennison412]

How does this work pensioners have paid tax in their working life sorry for getting old not enough people working but more than enough migrants coming into the country and getting free money. Where does that come from? This is absolutely disgusting. England is always been known for never looking after its own.

[@carlarthur4442]

I already pay tax on my pensions after working for 50 years .

[@judeheslop3776]

These old people are the ones who have paid in the most,

[@ChrisStudham]

I retired 10 years ago and have paid tax on my pension in fact I have paid taxes to UK government since 1965.

[@markscript5746]

Too many old people but never enough migrants some of whom have brought old people into the UK

[@maxthelab8457]

Drive through West London and look at how many old Asians there are ( all flown in by families ) - my friend's mother is in a council care home and they are ALL Asians, they don't even speak English in there.

[@STEJTHEGREATEST]

A government of bullies, attacking whom they perceive to be weak, and cowering from the more aggressive people.

[@senianns9522]

The price you pay for voting in a Socialist - leftist Government!

[@lyndahorgan3306]

@@STEJTHEGREATEST so well said!

[@russellbolas3828]

Well somebody has got keep illegal immigrants in their free life style

[@SimonPJohnson]

🥱

[@lbunnygordon1133]

Not just illegal ones...

[@russellbolas3828]

@lbunnygordon1133 yes legal aswell I forgot that

[@phillipbarnett5810]

Too many old people..Who like me paid in N.I contributions for 50 years to get a pension.Which at £220 per week is well below the living wage of £400per week..

[@frenzyviz6296]

They’ve already been taxed to the hilt with income tax, VAT anytime they spend, & inheritance tax, etc. This is awful.😡😡😡

[@Gray-zi5bp]

Well done to anybody who voted for labour.. give yourself a clap

[@deborahwyndham-lewis5188]

A slap you mean

[@Annie-yv7rc]

I got a tax bill as a pensioner under the conservatives so it’s both parties I’m afraid

[@deborahwyndham-lewis5188]

@@Annie-yv7rc what was the tax for exactly? Yes I agree it doesn’t matter which party as it’s not the prime minister in charge but the bankers above

[@paulclairethomas1344]

Pay tax as you earn and the meagre amount of pension is to be taxed too... Something to look forward to after 50 years of hard labour (working labour) I guess someone has to subsidise the migrant mismanagement.

[@Brickktopp]

There should be no tax on any pension , tax for what ? Been taxed our whole lives to retire and still pay tax . Uk gov needs to bloody sort it self out they become so happy to just keep taxing us for everything

[@maxthelab8457]

Well if you have a private pension plan the contributions are credited Tax Free i.e. you pay £100 into the plan from your salary, the plan gets credited £120 or £140 etc. So it is justified that when you draw the pension you pay tax - otherwise it's tax-free all the way, and the wealthy would sure take advantage of that!

[@keithclinch1303]

Absolutely disgusting. No excuses.

[@LouisPassau]

Have to tax the pensions of those who worked and payed in all their lives, but the government can afford to support each and every illegal moocher who sneaks into the country.

[@davidlawrence9091]

'Too many old people....' How insulting that is!😡

[@lornareynolds8052]

I agree. Do they want us to apologise for being alive.

[@patruddick]

it,s very insulting

[@Daisyduck323]

They are wanting to kill off the pensioners COVID and vaccines

[@stanthesteelguitarman8228]

We will be taxed on our State Pension, the amount of which is less than half the "Minimum Living Wage". It is all about taxing the poor, while the "Super Rich" have their "Offshore Accounts". Paying our Council Tax, Water Rates, Energy Bills and 20% VAT on almost everything we buy are already more than enough for pensioners having to pay. What an awful country this has become.

[@martynsmith8120]

But you are not working! If you want more get a job like the rest of us!

[@PeteH0121]

Correct. Every piece of legislation is deliberately crafted with loopholes which the rich (including most MPs) can use to avoid paying the same taxes which the average person HAS to pay. The whole thing is a SCAM. If they wanted there to be no loopholes, there wouldn't be any. They are there for the convenience of MPs and their rich buddies.

[@susanwhitley812]

My Elderley Mother in Law already pays tax on her pension, it is not fair to tax them a second time. Government need to stop giving our money away to foreign countries, and spending on useless schemes. They also need to thouraghly investigate foreign fraudulent dwp claims which are rife. We could save 500 Billion a year by not paying immigrant benefits.

[@AJ-qn6gd]

Mr Starmers it will do you good to remember that most pensioners vote !

[@YvonneGee-wr6yu]

Disgraceful !!! I will go to jail first !! I paid tax on it before I retired and penalised for having it. Get rid of MPs and their expenses and illegals living in Hotels. I’m sick and tried of being a third class citizen in my own country

[@stshar900]

Disgusting

[@rodneyfungus8249]

Not at all. Pensioners have always paid tax and so they should if they earn sufficient income.

[@GregPiggot]

​@@rodneyfungus8249 they have worked hard and payed taxes their whole life. This is wrong on so many levels and we all know where that money is gonna go anyway😂. On our raplacements coming on the boats

[@nataliegriffin7727]

Absolutely disgraceful! Hitting the elderly and vulnerable

[@stuartregan1627]

Lowest pension in the western world & one of the highest retirement ages. They retire in France at 62 with double the UK pension.

[@Coopz1969]

Taxed when they've been taxed all their lives 😡

[@AnnTyma-bg9bg]

We are the ones, that have worked from 14 or 15 yrs of age, myself included, l worked till 65, so 50 yrs paying into the system, honestly you couldn't make this stuff up!

[@johnward514]

Just say what the tax threshold is man! £12570. Anything over that you pay 20% tax on until 50271 when it goes to 40%. More people breaching the threshold. 5 minutes of waffle!! Reform proposed to lift it to £20000. Remember that when you get your tax bill!

[@coolboy5428]

Why do you pay? Don't you have a pair?

[@jimb7406]

You are right John - Michael Wilson waffles on and can't explain the problem properly. It is due to some peoples pensions now exceeding the personal allowance which has been frozen since fiscal year 21/22.

[@johnward514]

@@jimb7406 Absolutely 💯

[@ef7480]

'proposed' lol. Easy when in opposition

[@paulduncan789]

Yes, a very misleading headline and a lot of confused waffle.

[@philipgratton51]

A thought for the day stop paying illegal immigrants then there will be plenty left for the old people that payed into the system !

[@davidbarrass5210]

Whats the point in a pension increase if the tax system is going to take it away from you.

[@royweblin9561]

My state pension just about pays the tax on my company pension The politicians have made us feel stupid to have worked hard and been prudent and tried to avoid living on benefits in our old age.

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

​@@royweblin9561you must have a massive company pension

[@The160879]

Beginning to truly hate this Country

[@Casey-Jones]

Labour MP's £3,400 heating allowance on their 2nd homes is tax free

[@sarahcrowther6267]

This is disgusting, tax has ALREADY been paid on these pensions. If you voted Labour you should be ashamed of yourself.

[@bloggalot4718]

And losing your winter fuel allowance as well, vote labour!

[@chrisdawson6380]

Actually tax has not ben paid previously since National insurance and any private pension plan is deducted before tax is paid as an incentive for people to save for their retirements.

[@chrisdawson6380]

@@bloggalot4718 That's me - only I didn't vote for this shower of fertilizer

[@laurenceteague4099]

You clearly no nothing. 1. You do t pay tax on pension contributions 2. It was a policy introduced by Jeremy Hunt not Labour

[@weareone910]

I voted Labour and totally not ashamed, Conservatives were a shower and never want anyone like them again, Reform are even further to the right than them ,so unless you're fooled by all their lies and right wing propaganda it's obvious they want to live in a dystopia future like Trump and only the very rascist, bigoted, stupid or very rich want that,decide which you are before saying that's what you want

[@IMDARKO]

Covid didn't work out, did it, big brother. Now starting plan B

[@stequality]

Oh they have plenty of plans

[@GaryBurdenuik-g8y]

Time people stand together, if we don't do something what's the point.

[@stequality]

@@GaryBurdenuik-g8y too divided, we live in a country where everyone hates eachother

[@colinbryant5598]

That's exactly it.

[@rexseddon2095]

There’s not too many pensioners, most of them have paid into the pot all of their working lives and a lot of contributors have died before ever receiving even one penny of pension . The problem is mismanagement of the pot by the government and civil service who once again are making the less well off pay for their inadequacy. It’s disgraceful for anyone to say that there are too many pensioners here or raise more taxes from them.

[@archrussell822]

How can they tax you on what you have already paid tax on, unbelievable

[@debblackmore7460]

Absolutely disgusting disrespectful disgraceful old people are living on poverty lines but government will send money over seas immigrants in hotels shameful disgusting behaviour

[@elainelongworth5586]

"The sad fact of the matter is, there are too many old people in the UK.' They are not content with making us work until we are in our late 60's, no, there are too many of us apparently. Too many kind hearted, hard working decent people who have reached their 60's, 70's, 80's.

[@fredmercury1314]

_There are too many immigrants in the UK._

[@martinsmith5032]

They don't have to pay into a pension scheme or tax because they are all illegal conservative and labour are f n useless

[@brigader4heart272]

Far too many,the country cannot accomadate them nor afford to keep on feeding/housing them

[@fredmercury1314]

@@DeathToZioWarPigs In the Channel.

[@SidBonkers51]

Its not that pensions have gone up so much it because the *TAX FREE ALLOWANCE HAS'NT GONE UP AT ALL.*

[@josephmills7353]

I am a 94 yr old pensioner and have been paying income tax since I retired in 1993

[@helenplinski5221]

Bloody shocking so it is

[@CaptainChuckles]

£12,500pa Tax free allowance over that the tax man takes his bit regardless of being a pensioner or not. Great isnt it .

[@pamelalittlechild2923]

Yep I have worked full time since I was fifteen never been unemployed but paid into pension schemes and then get penalised, I realise now Im probably the idiot

[@patriciapalmer4873]

​@@pamelalittlechild2923you are not alone there are thousands of us played the game then get screwed at the end

[@maxthelab8457]

@@pamelalittlechild2923 But you got full a tax tax rebate on your contributions into your pension plan - tax has to be levied at some point otherwise it's grossly unfair for those that work and DO have to pay tax.

[@clivewalker5465]

''There are too many old People in the UK'' ..... and how many were born Abroad , and never paid into any scheme , how many collecting a full Pension never put a Penny into the scheme ? Once more , those who worked , saved , and paid in are going to be penalised , and the Taxes collected given away .

[@archieblair8728]

Who is this man? "Too many old people in the UK! What absolutely tosh. I think this guy need to rethink and apologize.

[@grahamashby4211]

He should have said too many scrounges who the elderly have to pay for

[@queenie3388]

This is not going to be forgotten! Mo

[@bcap5311]

Gone are the days when they Labour Party stood for the working class and poorest in society.

[@michaeledwards8079]

my brother who died last year was getting over £18,000 a year on benefits tax free from all sources, so why is the state pension so low and earning a small amount above it is now taxed yet benefits are not

[@AndrooUK]

Most people on pensions earned more than £18,000/year, so paid tax on the amount above the threshold. Income is untaxed below the threshold, so most benefit recipients aren't taxed, and the assumption is disabled and unemployed people are unlikely to be able to magic the extra £10,000-20,000/year on top, as they would if actually working as more than a McDonald's guy. People on benefits eventually transition to pensions, and will then be liable for them if they receive enough, through private pensions, but that's unlikely to be the case for long-term benefit recipients to have paid in for private pensions or superannuation. Potentially lifetime benefits like PIP are not taxed.

[@valeriauk8158]

I worked supporting people and part of that was helping with benefits. The benefit cap in 23000 a year untaxed.some people I worked with got that. Then on top of that was council tax relief worth about 1200 a year, free school meals for children. Currently 14 a week per child , so for 3 kids that’s 3 x meals £42 a week, 168 a month, then dentist and prescriptions free. None of that package is taxed. Yet pensions are. It’s disgraceful. I might add that that example above if it was a net wage would be a gross 32 k a year job, and yet we are told those on Universal credit are on the lowest incomes in society and are in poverty .

[@Lorraine-p4r]

Your brother must of been on pips. I never had pips.

[@Lorraine-p4r]

Yes I have to pay for NHS dentist!

[@patriciapalmer4873]

​@@Lorraine-p4r lucky you NHS dentists are rare

[@SteveJones-gz4vd]

We have the lowest state pensions in the EU, Farage had the right Idea raise tax threashold to 20 grand

[@laurenceteague4099]

Paid for how???

[@cc-jp4gh]

Getting rig of foreign aid

[@SteveJones-gz4vd]

@@laurenceteague4099 by NOY given the theachers , GP's Junior doctos , Illegal migrants £100 Billion that's how

[@-pavski-7230]

Perhaps if they didn't keep wasting hideous amounts of money abroad MAINLY ON WARS they wouldn't need to increase the tax take. The very same pensioners that you say are 'too many' are the ones that have been grafting and paying into the system for the last forty or more years, what happened to all that surplus cash that they paid in?

[@adrianpowell2526]

It's been money laundered through Ukraine. Does anybody account for it. I didn't think so.

[@sptvids]

And that's what you get when you vote for Labour.

[@suejames6808]

Incorrect!… only34% of people who voted in the election actually voted Labour.. and it was a very low turnout ! Therefore this government was elected by a significant Minority of the electorate AND have a huge majority in Parliament , to do whatever they like….The voting system needs to be reformed!!!….to reflect a fair representation of the people….

[@sptvids]

@@suejames6808 it doesn't matter, democracy allows the muppets to win with whatever majority 🙄 I didn't vote for them, and knew things would only get worse if they got it. If only a small amount of people voted them in, it shows how shit the system is and how people should have got off of their arses and voted for change

[@sptvids]

@@suejames6808 I actually agree with you on the voting system needs to be reformed, but the fact is, unfortunately, they got in and now this is what we have to suffer. I didn't vote for these muppets

[@suejames6808]

@@sptvids me neither!!!…and agree they are ‘muppets’….suggest you sign the ‘electoral reform petition’ online…at least we are doing something!!!… already the people are seeing what Labour mean to do… and the ‘game is up’ with them… hence the protests/not right wing riots… now happening !!🤬🤬

[@trevorjenkins1976]

Who the hell voted for Labour. Wake up people.

[@amteo7107]

Senior citizens are now already finding it hard to make ends meet. What on earth has happened to the country. Britain already has one of the lowest paid state pensions in Europe. Great Britain isnt great anymore

[@keithstitt9532]

Too many old people! The people who build the country. It is a huge amount of money if you don't have it. Anti humanist language. If only there was a way to save £8 million a day. Or, tax the increasing number of billionaires and multi millionaires.

[@campervannation9309]

So pensioners may only get 80% of the tripple lock. So in reality there is no tripple lock😊

[@annread859]

We have two rates off pension in rhis country. The old pension that people over 70 is alot less than what pensioners today get. I get the old pension of £600 amonth the new pension is well over £230 plus a week. If pensioners heating allowances are stopped then MPs allowances should be stopped and other perks they get. I dont see why they should get perks for doing there job

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

New pension is 221 per week

[@doreenhayfield5205]

I am 93 yrs and pay 150 pds regularly. I have had a tax rise for the last 4 yrs

[@tombridge3608]

He 'forgot' to mention freezing of tax allowance years ago. "Too many old people around" he said. Did he mention the burden of illegal immigrants(accommodation, health care, education for the 'under-16s') who won't be expected to pay tax on their handouts? They even have doctors resident in some of the places that they hold these people. How many of the "too many old people" have to wait see their doctor. He seems intent on trying to 'normalise' this behaviour on taxes...