Electric vehicles are 'NOT THE FUTURE!' | Panel clash over morality of driving 'sustainable'

[@paulinnesgraphiteart6051]

People are not scared of electric vehicles, they just dont want them.

[@seannewman5391]

@paulinnesgraphiteart6051 Sometimes our choices are limited by the dangers they pose to the environment and others. What people want isn't always for the best.

[@willdclarke33]

Also. Go drive one. They are great. You might just want one....

[@misty4483]

Refuse to buy them and this all ends.

[@malcolmmitchell6529]

Well said Sir.

[@malcolmmitchell6529]

Sorry, 😮

[@lindark28]

@misty4483 I will never buy a electric car ever,and Jim Dale talking shite again 😂and I will not buy his crap book

[@rjones6219]

​@@lindark28''crap book' do you mean it's toilet paper?

[@lindark28]

@@rjones6219 take it which ever way you want,still won't be buying a bloody book on climate change 😅 and yeah it will be toilet paper 😉

[@gpresley4652]

Nana. Please, please get folks on who have an element of knowledge to go up against that air head Dale. Your arguments were fair, Dale had no answers, but loads of folks like me have really studied this. Paul Burgess is scientifically sound, but sniping Dale makes him angry. Dale is dangerous for consumers, his information appears to come from tabloid generic articles. REAL knowledge needed

[@H8XME]

Jim bloody Dale!!! EV’s are an absolute Con

[@mickhardstaff6605]

They are not great for the climate when they burst into flames , all those toxic fumes 😢.

[@oldshiny3012]

and take 5times more water to put out

[@mickhardstaff6605]

@@oldshiny3012 and then the toxic water runs into the environment which in turn enters our rivers .

[@usefulrandom1855]

Fully electric vehicles, on the other hand, were deemed far safer than both hybirds and gas cars; they are far less likely to catch fire, with just 25.1 fires per 100,000 sales. That’s compared to 3,474 hybrid fires and 1,529 ICE fires per 100,000 sales respectively.@@oldshiny3012 Might take 5 times more water but ICE cars catch fire an awful lot more than electric cars.

[@aacmove]

@@mickhardstaff6605 Which infects the fish, and makes men infertile. So, women have to go to the third world to find a mate an an ICE vehicle because all the lithium has gone. The END!

[@willdclarke33]

But 1/7 less likely to set alight than a matched ice car so hey ho.

[@welshcelt9406]

Shit Jim Dale....

[@malcolmmitchell6529]

Does he promote them in U.S. ?

[@roddymcniven8734]

Ditto,and he’s full of it

[@christopherluckett1807]

Dale is a shyster and a con artist.

[@IanLewisCymru]

He's wrong on, just about, everything that comes out of his mouth!

[@minavanderleest9493]

Never will I buy a ev. Im not going to spend an additional $20,000 for a new battery. And I will not bother with a vehicle that can't handle cold weather or drive long distances. And most importantly not buying a product that can't be supported by the electric grid we have.

[@seannewman5391]

@minavanderleest9493 No one has ever bought a new battery for $20,000.

[@minavanderleest9493]

@@seannewman5391 come to Canada. It was just in the news about two EV owners, on both sides of Canada, who were TOLD cough up $20,000 to replace their damaged batteries. So yes. That is the price.

[@seannewman5391]

​@@minavanderleest9493 ​"The Price" and what you pay are two different things. I believe that normally, deals are done. Dig deeper. Battery changes are very rare and normally they happen under warranty or a 3rd party provides a refurbished unit. Most batteries will last 200k miles plus and the failure rate is about 0.00025%. Little to worry about.

[@minavanderleest9493]

@@seannewman5391 You like the EVs? Good for you. I don't have to dig further. It was well covered. And those batteries do get changed more often than you think cause the cars are heavy and low. They strike something. Damage done. I don't need to ignore what I have read and seen.

[@seannewman5391]

​@minavanderleest9493 one got their insurance money and 9k off a new car. Not too bad...

[@carlosfandango6255]

Show pictures of the mines and do reports on them, as well as the factories and what rubbish they produce.

[@TheLeroy79]

None of my family would buy EV

[@chrisbuster6947]

My brother did, but he is a knob.

[@MarcoLuna-w1m]

😀😀😀@@chrisbuster6947

[@TB-up4xi]

None of my family (of 7) will buy anything other than an EV - I guess we cancel out.

[@jamesm.9285]

I work in the EV charging industry and sincerely hope to never own an EV - and not for a "fear of change", but because of the environmental lies and ethical problems behind them, as well as because of the fact that these should not be forced onto the population.

[@tammymarks]

EVs are CRAP saying otherwise is purely GASLIGHTING.

[@PhilMaiden]

I will NEVER buy an electric vehicle.

[@seannewman5391]

@PhilMaiden Well when your right to continue polluting the planet runs out, maybe a horse or a bike. :)

[@philwatson6659]

I am with you on the electric cars, as said and explained in another post I think hydrogen is the way to go

[@nottmfunguy]

@@seannewman5391 At least with a horse or bike you don't have to stand around for an infinity charging the damn thing. EV's total waste of money and time.

[@seannewman5391]

@@nottmfunguy I charge my EV at home and only use public chargers about 10 times a year. My EV charges overnight once a week and I'm not standing around. On public chargers you usually charge from 20 to 80% so about 20 mins max. All in all I probably spend less time waiting for my car to refuel than you do in your fossil fuel powered car. My EV has saved me thousands, I could never afford to go back to putting £200 a month in the tank. If I do have to compromise in any way it's worth it financially, let alone the environmental benefits. The UK is almost 50% renewables now which is much cheaper than fossil fuel energy generation. It makes sense to have a vehicle that can use that electric.

[@level10boy]

As soon as you buy an electric vehicle, the battery instantly turns into a worthless liability, which is why they depreciate so quickly. People have wised up to them for this and so many other reasons, and is why private sales have tanked! With current technology, they are not the future, hybrids are a much better bet at this point, Toyota got it right, share price says it all.

[@EdVanMeyer]

5 years it starts to lose viability, 8 years it is unviable. The return on investment is like setting fire to your money.

[@miraclemile6567]

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[@miraclemile6567]

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[@SimonNoina]

hybrids are a much better bet at this point, Toyota got it right, - totally agree with you

[@rjones6219]

@@EdVanMeyerGood point, just last week, I was perusing Skoda's website, and of course looked at their used vehicles. They had a fascinating caveat, about the batteries, lifetime, and quality. Thy mentioned overcharging, discharging, rapid charging and rapid discharging (acceleration). For me, I don't want a vehicle that takes 30 mins - 2 hrs to fill, and one that gets smaller every time I used it.

[@Yournamehere9160]

We ban them from site cause they don't meet fire regs

[@maureensheppard4551]

Neither of them mentioned about EVs breaking down. My Recovery Firm's driver told me they have had to go through specific, special training on how to deal with a broken down EV. Even knowing what they now have to know, he said he wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. He said he hates them and there is nothing in their favour at all.

[@welshcelt9406]

Im scared of the Digital Spycoin.

[@clivengauge]

I would not buy one it is a scam

[@kattysat]

EV's are subject to the standard market forces concept and as of yet, they aren't practical in the real world on a large scale: Initial cost, Distance they can travel, charging time, charging at home, resale value etc. We had them a hundred years ago and if they were the way forward we'd all own one now.

[@abazely2743]

Didn't their copyrights get bought out and sat on by the petrol producers.Now we are told that China leads the EV market.

[@seannewman5391]

@kattysat Utter Garbage. Battery prices are set to half over the next year or so. EVs will be cheaper than ICE cars within a few years. Range is increasing all the time. Its happening whether you like it or not.

[@BeatrixAyling]

I agree with Adam Brooks. Electric vehicles are not better for the environment. Probably in future, but definitely not just now. They are far to expensive and impractical, nobody can force me to get one

[@Norfolkbiker50]

They've just cut a massive swathe through the previously unspoiled Norfolk countryside in the name of greener energy. Anyone who still believes this guff needs a slap.

[@zitzong]

At this current time electric cars are not fit for purpose and the tyre emissions is a big concern for the environment as they are much worse for our planet than petrol and diesel cars. Car manufactures need to look at making cleaner ICE cars.

[@EdVanMeyer]

yes you are right, synthetic fuels usable in current vehicles are availble and are net zero.

[@rjones6219]

Agree, with your points, but, how much cleaner do they need to make the emissions? Are those (residual) emissions really harmful, to the environment? It's only because governments say so, and due to their agenda.

[@usefulrandom1855]

Tyre emissions?? Model 3 1777kg in weight. BMW 420d (comparable size) 1525kg kurb weight. Add you 80kg of fuel 20kg of fluids etc..

[@barneymagee3285]

Respect to all the 12 year old lithium miners in the Congo…

[@annebeckett-morris4267]

They range from 4 years old onward

[@malcolmmitchell6529]

Really?

[@TB-up4xi]

There is more child-mined cobalt in the world's mobile phones than all the world's EV batteries combined.

[@barneymagee3285]

@@TB-up4xi I said lithium, ,

[@alanc286]

⁠@@barneymagee3285 - you may have said lithium, but the artisan (individuals rather than companies) mining in the Congo is for cobalt not lithium. The Congo accounts for 7% of the cobalt mined each year in the world and artisan mining accounts produces 20% of that figure. So 1.2% of the world production. You also need to be aware that lithium ion battery powered tools, mobile phones, cameras etc all use cobalt. However, the latest EV batteries as used by Tesla etc have no cobalt in their batteries using a lithium iron mix instead. You may also wish to be aware that the world’s major lithium mines are in Australia and Canada.

[@davidbarlow350]

Jim Dale needs to sit down with Tony Heller and learn some facts about the climate scam.

[@Jiz1obber]

Expensive, impractical, high maintenance costs (battery, tires), questionable environmental benefits. Big fail!

[@oldshiny3012]

you forgot extortionist insurance costs

[@thedarkdefender7780]

Could explode any any time.

[@bobc5678]

Jim, if Germany is going in the right direction why is VW pulling out of the ev market.

[@tonyb3629]

and BMW, Mercedes, Audi etc. All backtracking on their original plans. This whole 'plan' is being driven by government legislation, not demand or a better product, so it's bound to fail.

[@usefulrandom1855]

Because they thought they could just take existing cars and put a electric drivetrain in them. They are not making any money on them. Telsa built from the ground up and actually makes a decent profit. Ford did the same is losing more per vehicle than they sell them for lol.

[@alexandrupruteanu6532]

And now VW ... Are going down nearest bankruptcy

[@danpeters5028]

I won't be having an electric car would rather hand my licence back to the DVLA not interested and vast majority of people are not either it's all about control for the government no thanks I will keep my car

[@heshtankon7212]

They want it expensive and impractical. They don’t want you to have a car

[@nicolarse-stubborn]

Cars are bad enough with the software glitches that manufacturers have built into them,no way will i be buying a car that a normal mechanic has no chance of fixing

[@brutter602]

Richard Tice doesn’t keep it to himself that he has an electric car. He has mentioned many times on GB News. Jim Dale will keep pushing the narrative as he has a book to sell and a website to maintain. He obviously makes a living from his alarmism .

[@thedarkdefender7780]

Tice is a WEF stooge.

[@peterchapman8357]

they are just not practical in the uk most of us do not have a driveway and are unable to charge up at home so we are left with either leaving a car at a road side charger and walking home and back again the next day or waiting around for an hour or more at a charging station wasting time. This is combined with a high purchase cost, terrible depreciation and basically scrap after ten years. the insurance is high does not make them an affordable replacement to petrol or diesel vehicles. I do think that hybrid vehicles are ok when the petrol engine charges the batteries but personally i like driving a manual vehicle and would not buy one. I think that electric vehicles will only achieve about 5% of the vehicles on the road

[@songscoops4205]

Where's butterworth and his cash for kids....that 10 grand isn't going to go far....😂😂😂

[@brianellis1257]

It’s a total con as it’s been sold to us and rammed down our throats. EV’s are part of a viable solution suiting some users and situations but will not suit all and likely never will.

[@SimonNoina]

Your words - suiting some users and situations but will not suit all and likely never will - totally agreed

[@grahamcook9289]

3 tons, braking ar parks? The woman is talking rubbish.

[@davidsmith8728]

There is so much misinformation out there. I used to try to tell people what it was like to own and run an EV but I kept getting nonsense thrown back at me and people didn't want to listen. Now, I am at the stage where I will let people get on with it. If they want to carry on driving ICE cars costing a packet to run whilst I run mine at marginally less than 2 pence per mile, then let them get on with it. I am happy with my EV and, as far as I am concerned, that is all that matters.

[@tonyb3629]

It's because EV owners just get so fanatical, to the point it's almost 'cult like'. If you want to own and drive and EV, that's your choice, and I have no problem with that. There are many that don't, and personal choice is being taken away and what should be an open, free market where the best products win out is being forced and manipulated by government legislation, which always always ends badly.

[@mikeolly67]

Standard generic EV owner comments. You’re in a small minority if you can run your electric car for less than 2p a mile, and what about depreciation and the life span of the vehicle.

[@Smith_Tech_70]

4:10 where did she get those facts from? The daily snail, 10 years ago? My bmw i4 is only 260kg heavier than the 435d it replaced. Doesn't she know that most SUVs are already heavier than that, and are NOT collapsing carparks? Not to mention EVs are between 20 and 60 times less likely to catch fire than an ICE car. This is literally Anti-EV propagnda and FUD.

[@whitehart11]

Germany's EV sales have crashed because they have removed subsidy

[@jcfallows]

The batteries will get recycled and the metals get reused to make new batteries. But only after a first life of at least 12 years in a car and another 10 years in a large back up battery, then 97% can be recycled to make new batteries.

[@Smith_Tech_70]

Shhhh, they don't want to hear this. It goes against their anit-ev narrative. Not to mention that an EV battery will not cost £20k by the time it needs replacing in 10 to 15 years. We seem to have arrived at the scene from Fankenstein with the angry villagers with their pitchforks.

[@Displays.1234.]

Jim dale doesn't have a clue about anything, still keeps talking total crap about climate change...

[@grahamcox8334]

Explosive vehicles might have something to do with it

[@DavidPlayfair]

EVs definitely ARE the future.

[@seannewman5391]

Agreed. EVs MUST be the future if we want to keep our weather stable.

[@kevinwestk7958]

I drive a Toyota Corrola hybrid best compromise no range anxiety just keep fuel in the tank 60 - 80 mpg on a good day

[@ZAKKANWAKKAR]

No. Next!

[@SOz-uf5yq]

Imagine you had an Electric Vehicle and you were on the H/Way and saw a UFO Ship, Oops, Your vehicle Stops Inmiditly, because it's electronic, lol where do you run ? 🤣🤣 I think I will stick to PETROL 🤣🤣 So I run. 🤣🤣

[@ronaldrivers5072]

Why can't i have an better hybrid vehicle, 50 plus miles per gallon sounds good in any state that i im in.

[@MeMe-e8f9j]

Accusing people of being afraid won't endear the public to your products

[@gino2465]

I must as my comment as an ev owner for just under 3 years. Spot on about long trips. This is the downfall . OK its over priced and I font get anywhere bear 249miles fro.my battery which is claimed to do. Today my car only gives me 189 range max. And being an owner with experience, it goes down with miles in cold weather. And yes I am on my 3rd set of front tyres at 26k. I love it so trust me I will tell you as it is. My advice is keep a diesel in your household. Also please remember 89% of homes will not deal with 2 or 3 chargers to charge your cars at 7.2kw. Yes solar panels will charge a car but it takes all day to charge it and all the power will be used to charge that car. I do this myself. I cry when I do long trips as I have to pay 5 x more for electricity at charge stations then I have to wait over an hour for each charge. Journeys lime one we did last year to Adrian's wall. The GPS miles and time to destination was 4.5 hours, so both ways for our weekend break we had an extra timeout 5 hours 40minutes in charge time for our weekend away. Yes that's real. Waiting for chargers was not including in the 5 hours 40 minutes. We looked at a kua v9 lovely car new £78k ouch and the claimes range was 313miles lol you got to be stupid to buy this Vehicle which in reality will only give you 275miles in real life. People my advise is to hire a vehicle and find out for your self. You will love any ev but it's practicality and not cost affective. Most people who buy them are retired people with a bit of disposable cash or the more wealthy who are not bothered about any cost. They probably could not tell you how much their electricity bill is as they don't care. This is the reality today. So when 10 year old evs come up with batterys that are 70% efficient how are people working class people going to deal with this situation of a car that just about gives you 120 miles. Then if the battery fails then can they afford 5 to 8 k on a replacement. Then family's have more than one car . Ask an electrician if you can gave 3 ev chargers on a home that is all electric and an 80amp supply. They will say yes but not every charger can work at 28amps. So with your heatpumps and homes fully electric and charging, 3 vehicles will be difficult. Remember you may only have one ev but the plan is for all cars to be electrified.

[@malky5016]

Jim Dale 2024: "It's the same kids that are in Nigeria DIGGING for oil"... I was not aware that you dug for oil, here was me thinking you had to drill for it... every day is a School day, thanks Jim!

[@justtruckinonthrough5839]

He obviously misspoke and meant to say kids digging for "cobalt" in Nigeria, because cobalt is used in just about every electronic mobile device we ever use.

[@watchman2263]

When you watch this it so shows up how dishonest the rest of the media are about the whole EV story.

[@janetevans9721]

I agree, there just a waste of time. To slow to charge and costly!

[@derykhawkins2199]

Jim Dale thinks that these child miners should be protected by unions!! ?????

[@davidrusinek8430]

No body is scared of buying an electric car.

[@desslone]

The future is walking and cycling for 15 minutes.

[@janettetaylor8760]

I live in bedsit and no where to charge these cars . Old building do not have anywhere to charge them up EV cars are not earthe friendly .

[@robtheplod]

EV's are so good it takes Governments to force them upon us by forcing manufacturers to make/sell them as a percentage!!!

[@Raw-Coffee-Bean]

Creating green hydrogen creates more carbon! The claims about the weight and tyres etc is BS!

[@MR_THINQ]

Until an EV can do 500 miles GUARANTEED range and the price of the cars is halved and we have a massive nationwide charging network I will never ever get an EV. At the moment they are not a practical everyday use car. Maybe in 10 years I will reconsider…

[@Andy-tq3om]

Everything evolves! Remember phones or tvs when they first came out? That’s how the world works!

[@MR_THINQ]

@@Andy-tq3om EVs were around in the 1950s and they were a failed experiment then, just like now. For the UK to provide enough electricity to supply millions of EVs we would have had to built at least another 5 nuclear power stations by now costing billions! If we started building them tomorrow it would take 40 years! This is why it’s not the future, we literally cannot produce enough electricity for everyone to use EVs!

[@RAKSAX]

What a mess of people talking over the top of each other, and not allowing each other to finish a sentence At least the lady knew how to claim her space to finish her sentence If you don’t let somebody finish speaking, you don’t actually ever know what they’re gonna say, and this just becomes a pointless yackfest.

[@MR_THINQ]

I agree EVs are not the future, for a start the cars are so heavy that they’re damaging the roads.

[@mrcjc9298]

I would get a hybrid but not an EV. Poor infrastructure being the main reason.

[@SimonNoina]

Agree

[@wadoryujujutsukempo6289]

People are scarred the car will run out of charge, will then have to wait several hours before they get home. Thats without the cost

[@RillUK]

They're rubbish, not environmentally friendly at all. When the battery packs up it's so expensive to replace and recycle. No dealers are buying them second hand and some are really expensive, if not impossible to insure. Tbh you're a bit of a gullible plonker if you bought one.

[@markdean3217]

Nana is absolutely magnificent as usual ❗️👍🏻😊

[@BILLVANNER]

NOT JUST BECAUSE OF HIGH PRICES,EVs ARE NOT THE SOLUTION.

[@Andy-tq3om]

So what is then? Any idiot can criticise, it takes brains to come up with a solution

[@DavidPlayfair]

That woman is spouting so much misinformation! :(

[@uingaeoc3905]

NOBODY WANTS AN EV. They do not work at all and if they do cannot be afforded.

[@northernvoice7288]

The majority of people are not stupid it's simple really.

[@TB-up4xi]

If you have a driveway EVs are brilliant. People complain about "long trips" (there are no long trips in the UK even Lands End to JO'G return is a run to the shops for us Aussies), most people do this once or twice a year and forget the many hours they save never having to go to a petrol station the other 50 weeks. I spent $A26,400 (GBP13,600) on services, fuel, tyres & brakes on an Audi A4 over 4 years / 50k miles, I swapped the A4 for a model 3 and so far after 1 year and 15k miles I have spent $0 services, $230 (GBP118) on fuel and $0 on tyres and brakes (both of which are cheaper and last longer than my A4) and my insurance is 20% cheaper to boot. 2024 has been super rare for me on the 3 occasions I have done Sydney to Melbourne return (for bands / concerts = 1200miles) it was both faster and cheaper in my Tesla than the Audi.

[@Smith_Tech_70]

2:17 utter rubbish. Our grid is nearly 50% renewables now, and getting cleaner by the day.

[@jasonmugridge]

A new VW ID3 is about £12,000 in China, so as usual we are being ripped off here, but as soon as they get even close to that point we'll all want one.

[@dcarbs2979]

No we won't. I actively avoid German and Chinese goods. I don't support their regimes. Having driven more EVs than I can remember for work, I wouldn't want one if you gave it to me! Too boring to drive if nothing else, not to mention the plethora of real problems with them.

[@mathematicsandstuff]

vibrant when talking real stuff

[@philwatson6659]

Well said Adam

[@davidharris1686]

Please stop inviting Jim Dale onto GB News. Everything he says just makes my piss boil.

[@speed_freak_1001]

Drive your bloody EV, go ahead. Don't you dare forcing us to drive one through legislation. Get off your moral high horse.

[@biglife8739]

Don't waste your money on EV .

[@SAS-vx1jk]

Plus Jim never answers the question. Just insults as he has no answer

[@AlanKerr-e3d]

A horse and cart would be better than an electric car

[@aacmove]

Well. If multi-millionaire Richard Tice has one then we can all have one clearly! People aren't scared. They're just not convinced, and are ignorant of the true facts of EV ownership. Mobility is key. People want to be certain that when they have a car they can get in it and use it without any issues. And, if it does go wrong, then they can take it to a garage of their choice and have it fixed quickly. 2035 will probably be moved, because in the last 5 years little has changed as far as I can see. Except the only adverts on TV are for cars few people want.

[@joycepaton3035]

My electricity in the house gets slower at about 5/6pm... how can they say you can power electric vehicles when the supply barely manages daily use

[@antoniopalmero4063]

Yeah , for 99% of use cases they probably are .

[@jamesjackson7844]

I see I’m a sailor is back on “everything I know would fill a book and everything I don’t know would fill a library”! Useless.

[@user-bz9cb8bp2y]

EV, love the tech,, hate the price.. My little diesel runs on nothing while the leccy bill for my home is breaking me 😢

[@misfit2022]

Not my future as happy with my nineteen year old petrol

[@kevinthacker8349]

What about all the pollution from the power stations, go see st Neots any morning and see the smoke going into the atmosphere. Why is LPG not being pushed

[@nihilistzero8066]

if you think EVs are dangerous toyota upped the stakes with their ammonium engine, which makes EV's look safe as houses. When one of these new engines failed you would have to evacuate the surrounding area lol

[@haycockjeff]

Can Sunak take a flight to Commiefornia in an electric helicopter. It should be LiveStreamed…

[@steviewylie5267]

It's all about control nothing not the environment they can be remotely stopped or slowed charging,the grid for a start is nowhere near ready for the mass uptake of EVs,once battery technology is much better maybe worth thinking about,that's not considering how ypu charge them the power is NOT for the most part produced by renewable energy,these things will be able to be controlled so you can only drive how often and where the powers that be permit you to,if they decide ypu have drove too much or drove in area they don't want you to they can control this.😮

[@JamesBriggs-zz8my]

If it’s not the future what will your grand children eat as the eco system will be dying because of their grandparents selfishness and lacking critical education (pay attention to the weather system floods fires super storms)

[@dave8767]

EVs predicated on a massively reduced population.

[@mellymoo_eats]

Electric cars are expensive, and the charging infrastructure is rubbish, especially when you live in London on a terrace road where the nearest charging point is like 100 doors away.

[@andrewgeorge2827]

Why am I going to spend 20 to 30k on a vehicle that is objectively less convenient than the car I already have. Brother-in-law drives and eV, no claims but his premium is now £800.

[@seannewman5391]

@andrewgeorge2827 Budget EVs are here now for less than 20k. Dacia Spring EV and Citroen e-C3 to name two. But just buy a nearly new one, you'll get a great deal and cheap motoring. My 2022 Hyundai Kona is £470 a year to insure. Great car.

[@andrewgeorge2827]

@@seannewman5391 fair play if that works for you, but my petrol Suzuki Vitara is £370 to insure including breakdown and home callout, and the mpg doesn't fall off a cliff when going at 70mph. For city runarounds ev's can work OK as they are, but there are too many humanitarian and environmental issues in their production process

[@seannewman5391]

@@andrewgeorge2827 EVs are environmentally WAY more friendly than ICE cars. I'd refute ANY claim they are less environmentally friendly. I have years of research on the subject just waiting to be used. As for humanitarian reasons I can only assume you are referring to the absurd claim that EVs use cobalt mined by children. For quality reasons and for the last 7 years all EV batteries have been certificated. This includes the requirement for materials to be ethically sourced. It's strange how cobalt is only now a problem because its used in about 70% of EV batteries. Why isn't it a problem in you laptop or phone battery? Why isn't the massive amount of cobalt used to refine crude oil into petrol a problem?

[@andrewgeorge2827]

@@seannewman5391 there's also the large amount of lithium required that is extracting vast amounts of water from the environment in South America. I'm an environmentalist too - I was using a Blackberry phone right up until they ended the service in Jan 2022, I only replace things when they literally stop working. I'm not going to move to new tech unless I feel the case for uptake is water-tight. Ev's aren't there yet, in my view.

[@seannewman5391]

@@andrewgeorge2827 Fair comments Andrew. Here's just a couple of things to consider though. Lithium mining whilst problematic environmentally, can be improved and is infinitely more desirable than the damage done to the environment by fossil fuels. Add to that fossil fuels are not recyclable and lithium is infinitely 100% recyclable. This means at some point in the future we will hit a lithium saturation point where just about all EV battery lithium comes from recycled batteries and the mining can be reduced to a very small amount. I think your principle of only replacing things when they stop working is pretty sound. I'm not suggesting we should scrap good ICE cars and replace them with EVs. Just that if a new car is built and bought, it's better if it is an EV. Although your blackberry doesn't really pollute during it's lifetime (maybe after production perhaps a small amount depending on the greenness of the grid), however you ICE car pollutes throughout it's life. So you'd have to do some sums. Is the the amount of CO2 my ICE car will make in the remainder of it's life more or less than the amount when making a new EV... just some thoughts.

[@seantaylor9758]

The cost doesn't put me off it's the fact they can't do what I need now. I do long distances and tow trailers so have just bought a new Ford Ranger which does the job very well. I can't keep stopping to charge and I notice it's not easy to charge with a trailer on the back. I'm sure they will be good for some people but at the moment not for me. I don't want any abuse from this comment it's just as it is for me at the moment.

[@philiphumphrey1548]

Drivers are rightly scared of massive depreciation, unreliability, sky high insurance costs, inadequate public charging points and a nasty tendency to catch fire and be impossible to put out again. Manufacturers are scaling down production because most lose money on every EV sold. It's a technology that's going nowhere.

[@Aloh-od3ef]

Electric car were available 10 years before combustion powered vehicles. They failed 100 years ago for the same reasons as why they will fail this time. Fuel is easier to transport. Store and transfer!

[@boldertash]

BMW have given up on EV they have just refitted factories to produce new engine.

[@viskovandermerwe3947]

Price and performance is what set EV's back. High insurance costs and battery repairs/ replacements are through the roof. There is no second-hand EV industry because no-one trust the condition of batteries. (Even with diagnostic reports). Range and recharging anxiety. The price of electricity. EV's are only a small percentage better for the environment.How must people from Africa afford EV's? Instead Africans are exploited for cobalt and LI.

[@MrDrive007]

👋 from Budapest

[@leonardireland7362]

he talks the biggest crap ,why they have dale on the show is beyond me

[@oldshiny3012]

they need a comedy clown Aka Jim doomsday dale

[@dogpound7162]

I think you are brill Nana, you make a lot of sense , people who are opinionated and blinkered, like Dale, will never improve....bet he had all his jabs !

[@thedarkdefender7780]

The irony of your comment is that Nana wanted the unjabbed put in prison!

[@dogpound7162]

@@thedarkdefender7780 Sh*t, folk always let you down !

[@theancientwinebeerexperime2273]

Directed technology is not innovative technology.

[@KyaloSengani-ou2hl]

And we are going use petrol till when

[@mugwump7516]

what about the environment when we have to destroy the seabed with deep sea mining to find materials for this fad. What will happen to the cost of electricity when governments are getting their tax revenues from oil. Its already more expensive to do a journey in an EV than a diesel unless you ca charge at home. I live semi rural mid terrace house, no way of charging at home.