We Need To Talk About The New Pinarello! | GCN Tech Show Ep. 339

[@gcntech]

What are your thoughts on splashing the cash on one ‘do it all’ bike? Let us know in the comments below👇

[@sherab2078]

For me, definitely 'one bike to rule them all'. But I don't compete and I search for fun and adventure in riding bikes, and not so much for marginal gains and pure performance. Hence for me, this would be rather a gravel bike. And while I think Pinarello makes really beautiful frames, I can't afford even for cheapest of them.

[@brannmacfinnchad9056]

Definitely; I would definitely prefer a /comfortable/ aero bike over an ultralight one. Latest grand fondo I was dropping the peloton with their race bikes on climbs with my rando bike (Velo-orange polyvalent, wide tyres, and an rando bag....heavy and super not aero), but they were always catching up and I was struggling to hold their wheels during the flats and downhills. Jury is out whether the ability to carry pastries easily was worth the aero penalty.

[@stevecaldwell8284]

Yes to the "do it all", but dependent on where the majority of riding is done (flat, rolling or in the Alps like Ollie). Trek to be the next one with a Madone/Emonda mix?

[@marcelsow5817]

Somebody won 2 TdFs, the 2024 Giro, a ton of one-day classics and 90% of the races he started in 2024. And he did all that on a single aero/lightweight bike. I don't think it was the rider's skill, talent and power...it must have been the bike! So I am going with one bike all day and year :-)

[@krisbowditch827]

Just order my second one for commuting to work and going to the pub on🍺😉

[@888julianman]

Kudos to Pinarello. If you pay them £14,000 for the new Dogma you get to customise your stem and bar width! Whoop whoop 😅

[@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe]

One trick pony! Anything else to bellyache about today?

[@headofmyself5663]

Probably learned from Aliexpress.😂

[@cd0u50c9]

I'm absolutely shocked to find out that Pinarello are claiming their latest megauberbike is all of the things the previous one was as well!

[@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589]

They've got to keep Chinese women in oppressive factory servitude somehow you know, and the only way they can see to do that is to shift more £££££ units to impressionable middle-management wannabe MAMILs. It could be any consumer durable, but it's bike-shaped.

[@rob-c.]

To be fair, it is possible for it to be true. What else are they trying to achieve by developing a new frame?

[@stephenturkLA]

@@rob-c. I think that, if you aggregate all their claims over multiple years and product cycles, we should by now have weightless bikes, with infinite stifness and zero drag. We are not quite there yet...

[@jefffixesit60]

If UCI rules required riders to ride the same frame in all stages of the grand tours, but allowed tweaking bar/stem/seatpost/crankset geometries, we'd get better all around bikes with better component options into the hands of more potential competitors.😁

[@Andy_ATB]

Yeah, agree. Like in motorsport........

[@julianallen515]

Kudos to Ollie for getting Alex a saddle bag with a ratchet set in it. Now, he can tighten aero bars when filming.

[@jacksonbahm9731]

Tarling just used a classified power shift hub to win the British national TT championships

[@robgehrig3559]

Aero bottles could be safer since it appears there are flat sides that will deter a thrown empty from rolling back into the riding path. From the single image it is hard to tell if a round bottle, from neutral support, may also fit in the cage.

[@broadscotz2291]

Aero bottle.. Maybe Hank should demonstrate the difference of riding over a round bottle or one with corners. Could be a Phd paper coming.

[@feedbackzaloop]

You know things are bad at GCN when the tech crew keeps the lights down for two weeks straight

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

It’s a shame because it just isn’t their fault. They still create content that’s watched. They still have plenty of interested partners. It’s just big daddy discovery that has other plans.

[@johnwestwell2241]

One problem with the Trek aero cages: you're away in a break in the Tour on a baking hot day, your team car hasn't been able to get up to you and there aren't any soigneurs with bottles at the roadside. You've no bottles left and you're desperate for a drink, so the motorbike with the spare bottles comes alongside. The only problem is, you can't fit a round bottle in your cage. And you're outside the zone where you can dispose of bottles at the roadside. What do you do?

[@savagepro9060]

Whoooooooo! So many rim brake bikes in the VAULT lineup! Yessssss

[@contactkrit]

Also my Ritchey Road Logic with Spinergy wheels. #saynotodiscbrake #saverimbrake

[@Aragorn.Strider]

Grabbing my bingo card: - Brand new - Lighter - Faster - Aero - Stiffer

[@cd0u50c9]

More compliant; More colours in paintjob; More letters in the name; Compatible only with 1 x 14 speed wireless groupsets; 1 piece stem, handlebars, rear light, front wheel and helmet; Bespoke tyres to match the seatpost; Aerofoil profile saddle; Requires house sale paperwork to get on the waiting list.

[@decoherence926]

and holds its speed well.

[@mlustosakm]

and more expensive!

[@rob-c.]

All the things you’d want from a new bike if you were buying one 🤷‍♂️

[@crbondur]

I think a "combo" (lightweight aero) bike is the way to go. As aero bikes become lighter, it makes a lot more sense to have 'one bike to rule them all' instead of having to buy a quiver of bikes. After all, you have to save money for the endurance bike, the gravel bike, etc. :D

[@gcntech]

yeah, we know exactly what you mean! A one-bike-does-it-all seems a logical choice!

[@savagepro9060]

30:05 That MUST be a futuristic bike from 1969 . . . Wow! I wish the engineers are still alive. They would make a wonderful interview segment!

[@mommamooney]

I love that Ollie and Alex act like they’re brothers. The banter between these two is first rate

[@wakeupFFS2012]

Good place for a battery in that BB fairing....

[@cmarnold78]

Its going to be a blockbuster with the marketing "Its just like a good cottage pie"

[@Toastybear1]

Did we decide that the stage lights were just too much this week? Has it been a big week? 😂❤

[@contactking]

The show has gotten very dark.

[@speedsociety9177]

This looks more like a color grading / HDR / post issue

[@AGoogleUser-h2r]

Great video, I do agree with your theory. Saved peddling energy and cycling stability. With the newer full carbon frames and rims being produced.

[@robbchastain3036]

Okay, Ollie's entry in the Bike Vault reminds me of something a guy did a couple of decades ago when Hertz had a stable of brand-new 2005-or-so Shelby American Mustangs in their rental fleet. So the gent rents one and drives it to a prestigious car show and enter his showroom-new rental and wins the best overall with it, much to the chagrin of actual Mustang owners who were steamed about a rental car stealing their thunder. 😀

[@shamevonn1164]

Can't wait to pass the new Dogma on my daily ride on my mutt 2000s bike😊

[@christophertan3195]

whoa impressive you so strong

[@bradyb2482]

Bring back the Venge, best looking aero bike to date.

[@StephenCrimmins]

The problem I see with having aero bottles is that if a rider in a break needs a bottle from the neutral service car, or one of those situations where someone gets a bottle from another team (I see that from time to time) that wouldn't work. They might be able to take a sip or pour some on themselves, but they won't be able to put it in their bottle cage.

[@itsianwood]

GREAT show! Thanks guys!

[@robbchastain3036]

Looks like it finally happened, GCN Tech Show After Dark. 🤣

[@abundanceguy]

Massive bottom bracket gives plenty of room for motor doping tech👍👌

[@jerryyoung6494]

If I buy a T-shirt will it help pay the electric bill? I miss having the lights on!

[@tommccafferty5591]

I thought the front wheel valve on Ollie’s bike was a degree or two different from the rear wheel valve. I can’t believe you missed it.

[@gcntech]

consider Ollie well and truly told off!

[@catherinebrennan3342]

Not cleaning the manure off the road really spoiled the whole thing for me.

[@rob-c.]

It’s also at a slightly jaunty angle

[@St.Petrock]

Was Alex’s present anything to do with a certain loose aero bar?

[@Toastybear1]

The point of this bike isn’t to make people who aready have a dogma buy the new one, it’s to make it more likely people looking for a new bike, buy this one. Incremental improvements of the same base makes for eventually, a perfect product.

[@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589]

That's complete horse$#it. It's about what, & how easily & effectively they can convince the impressionable numpties that give credence to this channel (& others like it), to part with their £££££ in exchange for. The woo about "Italian heritage and pedigree" over a Cannondale or Specialised (all 3 are marketing companies first, and bike manufacturers a distant 2nd, or 3rd) is a complete w@nk, as they're all made in one of half-a-dozen big factories in Taiwan or China, where all the real development and design work gets done. As long as they say it's good, or better, it's got to be so . . . innit?

[@christophertan3195]

​@@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589 cry more scrub :)

[@Toastybear1]

@@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589 I don’t think our two opinions have to be mutually exclusive! I don’t disagree with anything you say, but I also stand by what I say, there’s a lot of guff about it all, but I don’t think even pinarello really expect to get more than a few very wealthy people to upgrade from the last model.

[@stephankurz9948]

Like the adversarial interoperability move on zwift =)

[@mommamooney]

Those aero bottles only fit one way into the cages too, making it harder to put back after a drink too.

[@Cycle.every.day.]

Brands are bringing out models when the paint on the previous model is still wet.

[@matevzvisocnik3650]

1 month ago I bought new Dogma F...now I'am sad a little becouse is already old. But it is nice.

[@cd0u50c9]

That paint needs to be sanded off - how dare you ignore the 3 grams that can be saved off the frameset!

[@RyonBeachner]

What kind of paint takes 3 years to dry?

[@rob-c.]

@@RyonBeachneryeah 3 years a long time for a brand to wait

[@rob-c.]

@@matevzvisocnik3650it’s old because you bought a 3 year old bike

[@urouroniwa]

An aero bike and a climbing bike feel very different. Do you want to soar over the top of the hill, and bomb down the descents? Or do you want to get that incredible instant feedback when applying power on the hill? My current bike (if I spent a bit more money) could make a pretty decent climbing bike, but the reality is that I'm just not strong enough the get the benefit of the snappy response. I'm slogging up the hills and saving 1 kg isn't enough to kick me out of slog-mode. For that reason, I think if I were to choose a high end bike it would be aero all the way. The "one bike to rule them all" is interesting, but probably not for me. If I'm spending a ton of cash, then I want to pick a direction and go all in. At the low end (that I can afford), then it barely matters because it's compromises all the way down. Though, again, at my level I think those compromises are appropriate and I might as well save the cash and have fun with an inexpensive bike.

[@muhammadmulla5812]

Ollie, As an Alfa driver, I thought you'd compare it to Misano blue! It is a very nice colour though.

[@franziskalochmann7259]

regarding Lidl-Trek's aero bottles: isn't it also quite a disadvantage not being able to take bottles from neutral service or other teams if need be? i see that quite a bit with breakaways and whatnot...

[@wotexpat9367]

Serious question. everyone is saying "The bike industry is in serious financial trouble, with brands going to the wall"..... Well. I have been trying to buy equipment (Met carbon helmet, Carbon Ti Rotors, Shoes etc) and they are ALL out of stock. What? Why? I would love to get this new Pinarello... you think I can? Nope! If the brands have a desire to sell more items I have one small nugget of consultancy business truth here.... Make your products available! I work in the media / advertising field and spend all my days in strategic brand planning for our clients to sell more goods. However, if those brands and not being produced.. eh? Baffles me.

[@oliverjacobs8594]

Not only are they absolutely in stock but I can find them one sale right now for about 15-40% off.

[@aerobelly]

I would love to see actual data on whether it's quicker to do a bike change on an uphill TT. I can't bring myself to believe that enough time/watts are saved on a TT bike over just 5Ks to justify the time it takes to slow to a stop, get on a new bike, and accelerate back up to speed vs. starting on the road bike and riding straight through. Please make it make sense!

[@SpecialeyesRider]

Did a light bulb burn out in the studio? Also... when can we get a tour of the set with stories behind the decor? This would be good for the GCN Show as well.

[@a1white]

WB Discovery took half the lightbulbs with them when they left 😂

[@FarOut-n6b]

Its got an oval steerer tube though so good luck if you ever wanna replace the bars without paying a gazillian pounds.

[@paulaus]

They have neutral bottle service I thought. How do you go with compatibility if you are desperate for a drink?

[@jabehauber]

There have been more than a few times we have seen in a challenging road race situation where no team service is available, another team giving a bottle to a rider in need. LIDL Trek's odd shaped bottles make that an impossibility - in either direction - unless you immediately jettison the bottle.Also: Neutral service bottle?

[@cliveb15]

It’s the one bike do it all option for me, 🚴‍♂️

[@peterslater7791]

ollie - the BMW blue is 'estoril blue' - the best BMW color! well, that and oxford green. :)

[@thepesterman]

I still can't help but feel that an all out aero bike will give pros the edge in big bunched sprints.

[@Shellewell]

The shadow stand Ollie used on the pinarello is a little too visible because of the way the light catches it. Nice bike.

[@mountainbikers10]

thank you for sharing

[@bikesavvy3654]

A grand tour total climbing is around 15% yet its were the biggest time gaps are made. Light bikes and light riders no markings spin needed

[@adeplu]

Hi Guys, if you were only Bikepacking with your bike would you still use a waxed chain taking drip on wax with you for the road (depending on distances covered)?

[@douglasbooth6836]

I bought a trek madone because I liked the look. The new one is about to look skinny and fragile. The new one bike fits all are probably faster around my local etape as if you don’t get up the hill in this you don’t do well. The difference between a fast lightweight/ aero bike in most races is negligible. The weights of these bikes are always given on tiny frames. When they manage to get a 60cm frame to legal limit I will be impressed.

[@gabrielhg88]

As someone new in cycling, I would like to have a ‘do-it-all’ bike. Are there affordable options though?

[@olePT]

About the Pinarello. As a new cyclist it's probably not a good idea to get a bike that costs as much as a Pinarello Dogma F imo. That beeing said, I would get one if I had alot of cash to spare.

[@Jari1973]

A really great bicycle.. the Lamborghini I'll never get 😪

[@two-eyedRoy]

Hello. I'm two-eyedRoy, you might remember me from the @26:50 mark of this very video! I *am* meaning "What are they like ... in comparison to ... other wheelsets". Not a 'what's better?'. Speed, handling, comfort... If they are worse, is it by much. I'm guessing they're not super nimbly-bimbly, but 6 airfoil shaped CF spokes seem likely to be hella rigid. What would they be like for daily use? Are the 6 spokes quite aero hampering versus multiple thin spokes or a disc? But do they offer better control in cross winds, maybe even be competitive? (I have been watching RCTestFlight's boat propellor series where in water (7x density?) less is blades better)

[@gavinm717gkm]

Omg that Ritchey!!! What goes above supernice???

[@gcntech]

Ubernice?

[@contactkrit]

Thank you, Ritchey my bike.

[@Frothling]

Factor's handlebar also offer similar sizing options no?

[@michaelw7438]

Sidi stuff - that’s why jet pilots wear g suits.

[@McLovin38FFs]

Sir Ollie and Rupert, here’s a video I’d like to see. How about wind tunnel testing and comparing an aero vs climbing/race bike. Obviously the same brand bikes like the Merida Reacto and the Scultura, the Canyon Aeroad/Ultimate, Giant Propel/TCR. Don’t know if anyone else would be interested but I’m intrigued! Please?!?!

[@savagepro9060]

28:53 Hmm🤔🤨, said bike is NOT squarely across the road, meaning the front wheel is closer to the camera than is the rear wheel!

[@lukestreet8473]

Woahhhh, it looks like the other pinarellos ever made!

[@rob-c.]

The Porsche school of design

[@andyzephyr1582]

I have some extra lightbulbs and some flashlights if you need.

[@savagepro9060]

13:51 " . . . all the different head that TALKS . . . feel lips . . . "

[@nomadcarpenter8549]

Im 6'2" and 100kg, i just want a frame that isn't going to crack or flex when im crusing at 400w

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Fewer SKU's mean lower overhead cost for the bike maker. But how can SKU be reduced? Hmmm. Eureka! Just say this one bike is best for everything and we only have to make one bike!

[@barrysmith9154]

All GCN people should be banded from putting Bikes into the Bike Vault. You do own your bike they are just on loan to you. I have three classic British design bikes. Which bought over the years.

[@angela-onesroman8873]

I think the changes on the new Dogma are sufficient, im definitely a fan, but it stops there, im not quite ready to buy a new bike yet... Oh yeah, also the price thing...

[@stephencharles6932]

What you are trying to say Ollie is "Less is more". Although, with a really good cottage pie, actually, "More is more".

[@wertacus]

What is with that bottom bracket? Looks like they're making room for a Bosch motor or something.

[@MiddleAgedMike]

Aero > marginal weight savings. Just get an Aeroad. I use my Aeroad for crit racing, canyon climbing and everything in between.

[@DPS-Runner_Cyclist]

If money were no object, I’d have 1 super bike, but multiple wheel options to swap based on the race course.

[@cmarnold78]

Am pretty sure Trek has gone to the Aero bottles is because with the combining of the Emonda & Madone the new Gen 8 Madone is less aero than the Gen 7. So to be able to say it is light as Emonda and just as aero or more aero than Gen 7 Madone is by sticking the aero bottles on it. So I suspect that they have the Trek-Lidl team running them as pure marketing.

[@lucasharp6106]

That bottom bracket .... Wow you gotta nice EBike ... Driver Huh it's not an EEEEBikeee

[@alexaudiovisuals]

Did someone forget to put on the lights or is the exposure dial a little too low?

[@supercoder7]

I am worried about Ollie's finances. A Pinarello, Canyon Aeroad and then a Pinarello again in the same year. Ollie if you ever need a place to crash because of mortgage/rent related problems, you are welcome at mine. As long as you bring your bikes along and i am free to use then as well!

[@jamesporter5630]

Did WBD take their lights when they cut GCN loose?

[@beeldpuntXVI]

Hey guys there is sizing solution for stem and handlebar en it simple separate bar and stem instead of integrated. It is the same aerodynamic it’s inseam itsy durable

[@ichor20]

What bike tech that came out in the last 10yrs is your personal favorite? And how has it changed cycling?

[@GravelGorauGwynedd]

Is the person in charge of the lights on holiday?

[@johnstrac]

Thought the idea was that pedals hung vertical to ease clipping in, not sure how you could get them level. Also, you could get away with the paint job on the last bike if you were the wearer of the old TdF Combination jersey, remember that ?

[@tommccafferty5591]

That massive bottom bracket is obviously designed so they can put in one of those hidden mechanical doping motors. 😅

[@gcntech]

🙄

[@foxy1706]

Pinarello bike of the people

[@indorock]

I have a brilliant photo of my brand new bike I'd absolutely love to submit to the Bike Vault, but there's no more uploader :( Any information what's going to happen with this?

[@space.youtube]

Been saying it for a while now, world tour teams should be restricted to 2 bikes. One for TTs, and one for all other stages. Manufacturers are reducing their line ups because it's no longer sustainable to manufacture so many different frame sets. UCI should reflect this economic reality. It would incentivise manufacturers to build the best all round bike, like Pinarello, rather than speciality bikes suited to specific terrains. This would also reduce cost, for R&D, spares and logistics with the number of bikes reduced by 1/3 in the case of some teams.

[@abundanceguy]

Presumably the one bike approach is a commercially driven decision for manufacturers rather than an optimum performance choice.

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

But if only they made a high-end frame for rim brakes. Then they could sell six more bikes per year

[@speedsociety9177]

Why is this so dark? Color grading / Post processing issues?

[@DaanHoogland]

Wow, Alex finally learned not to say "just" nice. (Not pressing send till the show/bikevault is over)

[@chris_gb_]

I see the UK dealers are selling the new Dogma F with DT Swiss 1400 Dicut wheels instead of the Princeton, so that's what? £1.5K - £2K less value than the Princeton wheelset, and the bike still costs £12.5K :/

[@JanneRasanen2]

Ultra aero bike: Streamliner. Ultra aero bike that can be used in real world: Velomobile. Ultra aero bike with UCI approval: TT bike. All those trump a so called aero (road) bike by a mile in speed. Choose your poison.

[@johnclement4781]

Dream bike … wack super record on that and some bora wheels and ❤❤❤. The Italians just do it better 🎉🎉

[@contactking]

Maybe Alex should spend some Zwift currency on some Dura Ace cranks... (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

[@MrIsaac-dh3uh]

If I were young, I'd go aero. Riding in wind just sucks and the aero bikes are simply sublime in those conditions. The aero bikes climb just fine too, and the extra carbon fiber allows for some groovy frame designs. Get a 'do it all' body, not a do it all bike. Go aero!

[@tgfewz8840]

Can we have the app back now GCN is independent again?

[@GeneralHendo]

What video is that clip of Ollie being scared from?

[@Ianjeffery2500]

To 99% of riders it makes little or no difference between aero or lightweight or “all rounder”. Bikes are so efficient only top pros can exploit the difference.

[@a1white]

This is why we shouldn’t get worked up about the cost of superbikes like this. It’s the equivalent of buying an F1 Ferrari. It’s great to admire and see the pros on, but it’s a bit out of place on your local club ride

[@mlustosakm]

i would really love someone comparing this 14k brand new flourish Pinarelloand realize is slower or at least no better then new decatlhon RCR for less them 1/4 of the price

[@reecedawson6113]

Working in a pinerallo dealer does help to already know this

[@tesmith47]

ANY SIZES FOR US BIG BOYS. 61CM, = 64 CM?

[@cowieson]

It seems we’ve discovered a bit of a blind spot on Alex’s nerdery in that he doesn’t seem to know that pedals are weighted to stay “not level” like that specifically to make it easier to clip in!

[@johnwestwell2241]

Speedplay pedals can easily be placed so they're level, though, as they are pretty much symmetrical (being double sided).

[@techgeek_k2]

Harder(the frame), Better(comfortable), Faster(literally), Stronger(if you are a pro) And… *A E R O E R*