*12 SPEED* ULTEGRA Di2 vs. DURA ACE Di2 (WHATS THE BETTER VALUE?) REAL WEIGHTS

[@GCPerformance18]

PLUG???? I hope everyone found this video informational...... also let me know, do you hate my voice? because I sure do

[@FliskerX]

Everyone hates it's own voice :D

[@larrymcgoldrick3471]

Thanks for all the work putting this together. Very interesting but not that surprising really. Wouldn't worry about the voice thing, just be glad you don't have some whiny valley girl voice. That would be an issue... LOL🤣

[@Spinnymaster91]

Nah ur good.

[@pernellfitz-coy7975]

Voice is ok…you just talk very fast😂

[@hmudesign]

Your voice is awesome and recognizable, familiar stranger :) I find the coating on the newer 12 speed group-sets is far inferior than the older 11speed group-sets. All my 12 speed cranks and components look so beaten up after less than a year of riding with it, compared with years of riding with the 11speed stuff, which still looks great.

[@brockjennings]

A half pound weight savings can also be achieved by a pre-ride cup of strong black coffee and a bran muffin.

[@bernardo9202]

Or a better wheelset by the price difference, also selling that crankset and cassett for Rotor ones, will end up going to close down the weight diference, 250 gr is easy to cut on that ultegra grupo

[@larrymcgoldrick3471]

My bike doesn't drink coffee or eat muffins, so not an option. It does have a chain wax drinking problem that's costing me a fortune. Fortunately, chain wax doesn't lead to weight gain.🤣

[@toite3x3ninjah]

😂😂

[@cjeesewalburge5820]

Possibly if you have gi issues

[@GCPerformance18]

yes but what if we got the group and then also shitted ourselves, then we have reached peak light weight

[@christopherbrown9618]

Great video! I’ve rode both groupsets and only prefer the Dura-Ace over the Ultegra because of the esthetics of it with the gloss black finish. But performance wise, they are identical in shifting speed and feel. You can easily save 200 grams by simply switching from butyl tubes to TPU tubes. Or upgrading other components for that $1,600 price difference. But it really just comes down to personal preference.

[@JayLato]

Challenge: mix and match 105 and Dura Ace components then compare the price and weight to a full Ultegra groupset.

[@GCPerformance18]

super hard, I think shifters and brakes alone for dura are like 700 a piece

[@Thighwatts]

I just built my 2023 SL7 S-works with a mix of Ultegra and Dura ace parts. I saved about $2k and it came out to 162 grams more than the full Dura-ace. I used Ultegra front and rear mech, Ultegra shifters, and calipers. Dura ace cassette, chain, rotors, and 54/40 crankset. I couldn't justify the price for just ~200 grams of saving. I'm also ordering the titanium claps for the shifters and carbon pulley cage from Dura Ace for about $200 total which will be closer to 100 gram weight difference.

[@erikarnstrom897]

Is there any limitation in the Di2 sw to configure larger chain rings than 52/34 when using Ultegra gears, but DA cranks with say 54/40 chainring?

[@hobmarg]

that is a solid min/max combination right there

[@RyanGmc]

@@erikarnstrom897​​⁠​⁠you can fit 54/40 on Ultegra Di2 12sp FD despite Shimanos specs online. I currently run those DA chainrings on my Ultegra drive train. It won’t be an option on E-TUBE but it will adjust and shift just fine. I’d suggest moving the FD up some to account for the bigger gear.

[@Thighwatts]

@@erikarnstrom897 no issues at all! Ultegra is limited to 54/40 although the SW only allows you to set 52/36 it shifts perfectly!

[@thedownunderverse]

I've gone for 105 Di2 derailleurs, calipers, cassette and chain paired with Ultegra cranks and shifters. Might have to go with ultegra front derailleur in future because it (and DA) will support the new Ultegra (and DA) 46/36 chainring combo. This really is a sweet chainring combination for the modern all-road bike, paired with the 105 series 11-36 cassette.

[@azrulananda7474]

Buy Ultegra di2 without crankset. Use the difference to buy nicer carbon power meter crankset. And it will still be cheaper than buying full Dura Ace groupset. And much better crankset. Weight might be lighter also. Or use the price difference to buy very very nice wheelset!

[@Spinnymaster91]

I think Ultegra is the better value groupset however if you want the absolute best and has the dough to splurge then Dura Ace is the way to go.

[@tccycling]

Great vid thank you! Ultegra for the win. Put on a Dura Ace cassette and chain, put the rest of the money into an awesome set of wheels.

[@GCPerformance18]

there we go that is a nice combo

[@prasad530]

Most people should stop caring about bike weight and be more concerned about rider weight. Unless you are in top shape and racing, counting grams is INSANE.

[@slowcyclist4324]

And most people should stop thinking that bike weight is irrelevant. Losing bike weight is just a simple matter of paying money. Losing rider weight takes so much more effort. It’s smarter to just pay 3k and lose 300g, than suffer 30 salads just to lose 30g. plus, your bike looks better, which is what matters anyway. Not as if you’re some TDF rider. Pretending to care about rider performance is stupid when anyone not a TDF rider is just a pretend pro anyway lol.

[@RobertPaulson87]

This was a great comparison! I live in Australia and the price difference between a complete bike with either Ultegra or Dura Ace is roughly $5000 AUD/$3325 USD. So the weight savings of 261g isn't worth it to me. This video has helped me make the cheaper decision haha. Thanks

[@GCPerformance18]

you are very welcome

[@dominicbritt]

These are sooooo nice… I’ve worked in these and installed a few and they are really precision bits of kit….

[@protonjicari5990]

105 Di2 for me. I’m only cycling for additional training for my legs, my main sports are boxing and MMA though now it’s becoming a hobby since I can’t make enough money compare to the businesses my parents have. 😅

[@matthew.tamasco]

Ultegra build with Dura-Ace chain and cassette. Perfect combo?

[@guantisengkun4342]

Yeap I did that. Smoother as hell

[@kemson4455]

Yeah, I did the same at my Ultegra di2. Switched to Dura ace cassette and chain. I saved 97 grams for 300€.

[@TheBassallyear100]

i'd almost be inclined to mix a few 105 components in there too. the cassette is the real boat anchor in that group.

[@andrewburkhardt7230]

I’ve done this just because the rd isn’t where the faster shifting comes from. It’s in the FD.

[@thedownunderverse]

The 105 rear derailleur for sure. It's waaaaay cheaper, just as fast and supports the 11-36 cassette.

[@silmarillion3]

The US dollar is very strong at present against the Yen and Euro. To save money, with small risk, buy online from Japan or European online retailers. I bought 12 speed Ultegra from alexcycle for $1500 with no issues.

[@grettaava1155]

Not sure about Yen, but Euro still stronger than dollar. I found out the hard way spending €5000 recently , cost me $450 more☹️

[@taylorbrasher4252]

Is Alexcycle legit? The site seems alittle wonky

[@GCPerformance18]

yes i have a ton of customers doing this strat

[@charlesblithfield6182]

My 105 11-28 cassette weighs just 17 grams more than Ultegra but it’s less than half the price.

[@germurphy4986]

And more durable too. Same with the cranks, 105 series won't delaminate like 8k&9k series.

[@yukiko_5051]

My AliExpress 10 speed cassette is lighter than Tiagra for half the price, and it works the same

[@robertovital9369]

Love those comparisons!

[@GCPerformance18]

glad u enjoyed

[@8rk]

Ultegra for better value. Thanks. Bye. (Having said that I've never owned ultegra stuff, always went for dura ace. I'd get 105 for value. But value is not what I've been chasing)

[@savagepro9060]

0:28 Hmm🤔🤨 Black and White checkered floor? Freemason Bike Shop!

[@GCPerformance18]

hahahah I wish, they I would have so much moneyyyyyy

[@guantisengkun4342]

I have an Ultegra 12 speed on my Cervelo S5. Full dura ace 12 speed on my Tarmac SL7. Aside from its weight, there is definitely a noticeable differences in the drive train smoothness and shifting efficiency. I upgraded my S5 to a DA cassette and chain, feels extremely smooth. I also changed the Rotor to XTR as the stock Ultegra ones make your bike look cheap.

[@GCPerformance18]

yea duracae chain and casstte are a power move they are noticable upgrades

[@Seamanatorrr]

Great vid! Hopefully the new SRAM Red comes out soon, when that happens could you do the New Force vs New Red?

[@GCPerformance18]

Thats what I am hoping for I have a feeling sram red wil be lighter then dura ace

[@kemson4455]

Is it possible to upgrade from Ultegra brake callipers to dura ace callipers? Are the DA compatible with the rest of the Ultegra components? I mean 230€ for 50 grams saving sounds interesting.

[@GCPerformance18]

yes they will work

[@charlesblithfield6182]

Good idea for a video. It’s good to get a rider/bike mech/bike vendor analysis cause you can integrate all these different perspectives.

[@michaellee7046]

Great vid grant!

[@teunluijbregts2533]

Not too sure on Shimano as of yet - still waiting on the recall inspections on two of my current cranksets.

[@tommackenzie7763]

Can you do a SRAM Force vs Red version of this? Loved the breakdown

[@GCPerformance18]

yes I was thinking of waiting for the new sram red to come out before hand but Ih ad a lot of people ask fo rthis, so next time i get a sram red kit in stock it is coming up

[@jamescourier1545]

Im thinking Dura ace rotors/calipers/cassette, Ultegra controls/ derailleurs & Rotor carbon crankset (with power meter) 🤩

[@GCPerformance18]

yes mix and match

[@cmarnold78]

Suprised such a big difference with the brakes. Same weigh difference as the cassette (60g) Wonder where the weight saving materiel is there? magnesium/titanium?

[@luismartinho7044]

105 di2 with dura ace ou Ultegra 11-30 cassete and ultrgra r8000 crankset is the best velue group

[@andyawesome2842]

r8000 crankset might not be the way to go with the current recall tho...

[@luismartinho7044]

@@andyawesome2842 Yes, but mine is not in the recall series

[@bikingchupei2447]

if it's still bonded tech, i'll still be uncertain about the quality@@luismartinho7044

[@richardmiddleton7770]

My 2022 ultegra 36/52 chainset is lighter than my new 12 speed Dura Ace 40/54 chainset. I know the DA has slightly larger sprockets but I didn't expect that!

[@TheAWallace1212]

Great video! Great info!

[@GCPerformance18]

I am glad you enojoyed it

[@Rdnewton12]

Could you do a SRAM version of this. I’d like to see the differences between Red and Force.

[@GCPerformance18]

yes of course, the new stuff?

[@pinoyxbox]

Im going for ultegra di2 but with dura ace cassette and chain and possibly carbon crank set.

[@GCPerformance18]

that is always an op set up, even the ultgra groups with the dura ace cranks

[@jonandbear1]

You r my guru!!!🙏 Dumb question here maybe, I have Ultegra 12sp and love it but really don’t like the look of the cranks. I love the look of GRX cranks tho (very mountain bikie lol). Would the new GRX 8200 2X crank for 12sp work with my Ultegra 12sp Di2 system? Thx in advance Jon🇨🇦

[@GCPerformance18]

yes they would same chain being used so same stuff

[@mohdjaini9960]

I love ultegra because of the value. But it’s a shame that the FD doesn’t fit 54/40 chainring. I have to buy the DA fd just to fit it.

[@GCPerformance18]

really? I didnt even know that to be honest

[@bodhisatwaghosh]

The only problem in this video being not comparing component by component.

[@GCPerformance18]

I am so sorry I will do that next time

[@bodhisatwaghosh]

@@GCPerformance18 great thanks. Nothing to be sorry about. Just an observation as I was going back and forth to check the differences. Anyways. I want to have a video on installation of a integrated handlebar like Vision Metron with both Hydraulic and mechanical gears like Ultegra R8000. Please share if you have something like that.

[@p0p0ed]

I am now gonna get a dura ace chain because that’s all I can afford.. and yes I enjoyed this video 😊

[@seanrequiredfieldcannotbel1362]

Which one will not delaminate in a couple years?

[@mbastos1000]

The better value is LTOO Chinese stuff when it works! I will wait until they fix that stuff and then I will buy one. Please, tell me if LTOO would work with SHIMANO disk break calipers? I don’t like LTOO calipers.

[@fredericpressel1611]

When we start to call high-end products like Ultegra and Force not longer a „mid tier“ groupset… these are so pro level with a touch more robustness imho. But less glitter shmidder to pay for.

[@GCPerformance18]

thats what they were always classified as, but I can see where this is not the norm anymore

[@BikesKomsCRO]

i love how JURRY looks bro...

[@GCPerformance18]

So much jurrry

[@robertovital9369]

Should have weighted each piece by direct comparison - cassette ultregra vs cassette dura ace, etc.

[@GCPerformance18]

dang I am sorry, next time

[@jonathan_guerrero]

Coming from 105, is a DA cassette upgrade really a no brainer? If I don't care too much for weight will it really provide a better ride experience?

[@sergeysedykh]

What do you think of an SL6 S-works with DA Di2 when compared to the expert SL8 with Ultegra Di2? The older Tarmac is twice as cheap (used). Is it worth it?

[@nationsnumber1chump]

Do y'all ever get daja view down there? It looks so flat I would come to a stop light and think I went nowhere 😂

[@GCPerformance18]

The rides are fast but very repetitive

[@pavloradich]

@@GCPerformance18 daja view, right?

[@christopherbrown9618]

Thanks!

[@GCPerformance18]

No problem! I thank you alot chris!!!!

[@uglybean]

Nice job!!!

[@GCPerformance18]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@arvindmahendran]

Can you do this for sram please

[@GCPerformance18]

of course, next time i get a complete sram red gorup in

[@jonandbear1]

Same BB too for Ultegra 12sp and GRX? Sorry to bug ya brother🙏

[@liutang]

The best value is the one that won’t snap off and cut your legs mid-ride.

[@mozzie8113]

PLUH 🗣️‼️

[@GCPerformance18]

hahahah I had too much fun with that one

[@Elbrunosh]

Can you please share a spreadsheet of this data? With price and weight collums. Or shall I make it for you?😅

[@GCPerformance18]

lmao it want to make it, I can pin it in the commment section

[@qibble455]

Was there any weight difference in the disc's lockrings between the two?

[@GCPerformance18]

lockrings were the same

[@aRlyWeakCyclist]

Deep dish Ultegraaaaaa components

[@ralphmartinez8616]

Just do a bong hit before your ride and you’ll be feeling light af!

[@66mikkim]

1Kg is equivalent to 5 watts, so save money and work harder

[@GCPerformance18]

truthhh but also duraace does look sexy

[@66mikkim]

@@GCPerformance18 that is personal prefrance, for me the matt black is more sexy than the glossy finish

[@lisashiela9137]

I need those better gears. My new LandRider AutoShift wont let me choose my desired cadence. As soon as I try to raise my cadence the damn thing shifts up another gear.

[@GCPerformance18]

hahaha who would think we wouldnt enjoy automatic shifting

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

I swear Shimano have made the Ultegra crankset dull on purpose… also SRAM RED Crankset do much lighter than DA!!

[@GCPerformance18]

lmao I know for the reaosn to make people buy the bigger one, but the ultegra goes nice with matte frames

[@hoLLyGhost54]

It's a shame ultegra doesn't come with 54/40 especially when you're not a pro but still race competitive

[@savagepro9060]

A Shame indeed. You have to Frankenstein your crankset with aftermarket chainrings!

[@brienmiller1005]

You can replace chainrings with with DA 54/40 of course.

[@laurenz323]

Use DA chainrings

[@pinoyxbox]

In my place we can buy groupsets without cranksets. That way we are free to choose what crankset is o install.

[@user-ge5bd6zz3q]

If I'd doing a 1x12 drive train, is there any weight difference with the drive side dur-ace vs ultegra drive side crank? Thanks for the content.

[@bernardo9202]

Go for a Rotor Aero Crankset and powermeter, lighter and a more accurate power meter

[@bubbachua]

Best to use a narrow wide chainring for 1x

[@aloha_from_bradley]

Just take a shit before your ride and you'll loose the 261 grams. Dura-Ace is dead at this point. It's really only for bragging rights. You can easily save 260+ grams by swapping much cheaper parts of the bike. A 2k price differential for these groups just doesn't make sense anymore. Edit: Go look at the videos where they weigh the bikes of the pros before races. Most of them are now on aero framesets, and the average total weight is around 18lbs. Half a pound literally means nothing in this day & age.

[@GCPerformance18]

yea this is true honestly the weight is grams

[@Chris._P._Bacon]

I got Ultegra men's edition, I couldn't bring myself to waste $1,000 for the millennials groupset edition, a.k.a. "electronic & disc" and technically speaking, Dura Ace is for the ones that like to have nice things regardless of "price".

[@GCPerformance18]

yep same here

[@asmaanadenan299]

PLUGG🗣️🗣️

[@GCPerformance18]

Hahaha

[@havindy]

Shimano 105 is the best value.

[@reallyitistolate]

First! Nerdgasm of information

[@GCPerformance18]

Can we nerdgasm together?

[@savagepro9060]

@@GCPerformance18 Oh My! . . . Did I just hear THAT indecent proposal Bike porn is going to far!

[@bikes7777]

Pros don't care about component weight. They have to add weights to their bikes to hit the 6.8kg weight minimum.

[@GCPerformance18]

this was true now I feel like the struggle now to get there

[@bmwflyfisher]

I would love for you to show what the looks difference of the 9000 11 speed Dura Ace replacement would look like. Hambini stated it would look terrible…Just wondering if someone who’ll show us.

[@bikingchupei2447]

3:36 none of these will last longer than the trusty non bonded 105

[@GCPerformance18]

lmao all we can do now is hope and pray

[@leslie7922]

Lmao a rotor that stays true better?! I have the new rotors (ultegra) and they've warped!

[@bonbonflippers4298]

Lolz go mtb rotors!

[@thedownunderverse]

Weird, reports from everywhere suggest the new rotors warp less than the outgoing (shared with MTB) ones.

[@leslie7922]

@@thedownunderverse idk man, I got mtb rotors on my 23kg e bike going true no issues and my new latest model ultegra only done 500km and warped :( I'm too scared to bend it back as I heard they are quite delicate so I'm just putting up with constant rubbing and grinding when it's rainy. I've reset my pistons and aligned it but when I use white paper and look thru the pads I can see the rotor going left to right (yes it's on properly and torqued)

[@GCPerformance18]

thats what shimano said they hold shapee better

[@eto2352]

Jur-Ree. Looks like jur-ree.

[@EJD200]

There's no way you can label Ultegra as mid tier, mid of the top tier if any but that feels wrong taking in account how premium this stuff is

[@luketoms6110]

That's nuts. Just have a 💩 before your ride hay presto grams saved.

[@GCPerformance18]

No…… imagine if you had this and had a shit in the morning…. It’s double winning

[@luketoms6110]

@GCPerformance18 it is interesting if you can mix and match 105 and Ultegra to achieve the system weights of a full Ultegra kit. Also, if you still wanted a rim setup by using the STR9250 levers .

[@FrayBera]

1.700 kg. Sram Red 10 vel mechanical. $ 400 complete groupset XD you are welcome !

[@GCPerformance18]

hahaha this is true

[@the_luki]

Ultegra cassette lasts longer than DA.

[@GCPerformance18]

this is always the case for the more epxensive lighter materials they ware faster

[@davidvonslingshot]

AXS. That's what's better.

[@GCPerformance18]

maybe I run this series for sram

[@waisinglee1509]

People brag over USD1400???

[@GCPerformance18]

yes no lie

[@8bikeman]

sram force and sram red

[@GCPerformance18]

waiting for a new red to go against sram force

[@tonylo6013]

Ultegra.

[@seanbarman]

EPO is much cheaper !

[@GCPerformance18]

yea for real!!! wondering for a friend, where can I get some ofthat