PLUG???? I hope everyone found this video informational...... also let me know, do you hate my voice? because I sure do
@FliskerX11 ай бұрын
Everyone hates it's own voice :D
@larrymcgoldrick347111 ай бұрын
Thanks for all the work putting this together. Very interesting but not that surprising really. Wouldn't worry about the voice thing, just be glad you don't have some whiny valley girl voice. That would be an issue... LOL🤣
@Spinnymaster9111 ай бұрын
Nah ur good.
@pernellfitz-coy797511 ай бұрын
Voice is ok…you just talk very fast😂
@hmudesign11 ай бұрын
Your voice is awesome and recognizable, familiar stranger :) I find the coating on the newer 12 speed group-sets is far inferior than the older 11speed group-sets. All my 12 speed cranks and components look so beaten up after less than a year of riding with it, compared with years of riding with the 11speed stuff, which still looks great.
@brockjennings11 ай бұрын
A half pound weight savings can also be achieved by a pre-ride cup of strong black coffee and a bran muffin.
@bernardo920211 ай бұрын
Or a better wheelset by the price difference, also selling that crankset and cassett for Rotor ones, will end up going to close down the weight diference, 250 gr is easy to cut on that ultegra grupo
@larrymcgoldrick347111 ай бұрын
My bike doesn't drink coffee or eat muffins, so not an option. It does have a chain wax drinking problem that's costing me a fortune. Fortunately, chain wax doesn't lead to weight gain.🤣
@toite3x3ninjah11 ай бұрын
😂😂
@cjeesewalburge582011 ай бұрын
Possibly if you have gi issues
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
yes but what if we got the group and then also shitted ourselves, then we have reached peak light weight
@christopherbrown961811 ай бұрын
Great video! I’ve rode both groupsets and only prefer the Dura-Ace over the Ultegra because of the esthetics of it with the gloss black finish. But performance wise, they are identical in shifting speed and feel. You can easily save 200 grams by simply switching from butyl tubes to TPU tubes. Or upgrading other components for that $1,600 price difference. But it really just comes down to personal preference.
@JayLato11 ай бұрын
Challenge: mix and match 105 and Dura Ace components then compare the price and weight to a full Ultegra groupset.
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
super hard, I think shifters and brakes alone for dura are like 700 a piece
@Thighwatts11 ай бұрын
I just built my 2023 SL7 S-works with a mix of Ultegra and Dura ace parts. I saved about $2k and it came out to 162 grams more than the full Dura-ace. I used Ultegra front and rear mech, Ultegra shifters, and calipers. Dura ace cassette, chain, rotors, and 54/40 crankset. I couldn't justify the price for just ~200 grams of saving. I'm also ordering the titanium claps for the shifters and carbon pulley cage from Dura Ace for about $200 total which will be closer to 100 gram weight difference.
@erikarnstrom89711 ай бұрын
Is there any limitation in the Di2 sw to configure larger chain rings than 52/34 when using Ultegra gears, but DA cranks with say 54/40 chainring?
@hobmarg11 ай бұрын
that is a solid min/max combination right there
@RyanGmc11 ай бұрын
@@erikarnstrom897you can fit 54/40 on Ultegra Di2 12sp FD despite Shimanos specs online. I currently run those DA chainrings on my Ultegra drive train. It won’t be an option on E-TUBE but it will adjust and shift just fine. I’d suggest moving the FD up some to account for the bigger gear.
@Thighwatts11 ай бұрын
@@erikarnstrom897 no issues at all! Ultegra is limited to 54/40 although the SW only allows you to set 52/36 it shifts perfectly!
@thedownunderverse11 ай бұрын
I've gone for 105 Di2 derailleurs, calipers, cassette and chain paired with Ultegra cranks and shifters. Might have to go with ultegra front derailleur in future because it (and DA) will support the new Ultegra (and DA) 46/36 chainring combo. This really is a sweet chainring combination for the modern all-road bike, paired with the 105 series 11-36 cassette.
@azrulananda747411 ай бұрын
Buy Ultegra di2 without crankset. Use the difference to buy nicer carbon power meter crankset. And it will still be cheaper than buying full Dura Ace groupset. And much better crankset. Weight might be lighter also. Or use the price difference to buy very very nice wheelset!
@Spinnymaster9111 ай бұрын
I think Ultegra is the better value groupset however if you want the absolute best and has the dough to splurge then Dura Ace is the way to go.
@tccycling11 ай бұрын
Great vid thank you! Ultegra for the win. Put on a Dura Ace cassette and chain, put the rest of the money into an awesome set of wheels.
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
there we go that is a nice combo
@prasad53011 ай бұрын
Most people should stop caring about bike weight and be more concerned about rider weight. Unless you are in top shape and racing, counting grams is INSANE.
@slowcyclist432411 ай бұрын
And most people should stop thinking that bike weight is irrelevant. Losing bike weight is just a simple matter of paying money. Losing rider weight takes so much more effort. It’s smarter to just pay 3k and lose 300g, than suffer 30 salads just to lose 30g. plus, your bike looks better, which is what matters anyway. Not as if you’re some TDF rider. Pretending to care about rider performance is stupid when anyone not a TDF rider is just a pretend pro anyway lol.
@RobertPaulson873 ай бұрын
This was a great comparison! I live in Australia and the price difference between a complete bike with either Ultegra or Dura Ace is roughly $5000 AUD/$3325 USD. So the weight savings of 261g isn't worth it to me. This video has helped me make the cheaper decision haha. Thanks
@GCPerformance183 ай бұрын
you are very welcome
@dominicbritt11 ай бұрын
These are sooooo nice… I’ve worked in these and installed a few and they are really precision bits of kit….
@protonjicari599011 ай бұрын
105 Di2 for me. I’m only cycling for additional training for my legs, my main sports are boxing and MMA though now it’s becoming a hobby since I can’t make enough money compare to the businesses my parents have. 😅
@matthew.tamasco11 ай бұрын
Ultegra build with Dura-Ace chain and cassette. Perfect combo?
@guantisengkun43429 ай бұрын
Yeap I did that. Smoother as hell
@kemson44555 ай бұрын
Yeah, I did the same at my Ultegra di2. Switched to Dura ace cassette and chain. I saved 97 grams for 300€.
@TheBassallyear10011 ай бұрын
i'd almost be inclined to mix a few 105 components in there too. the cassette is the real boat anchor in that group.
@andrewburkhardt723011 ай бұрын
I’ve done this just because the rd isn’t where the faster shifting comes from. It’s in the FD.
@thedownunderverse11 ай бұрын
The 105 rear derailleur for sure. It's waaaaay cheaper, just as fast and supports the 11-36 cassette.
@silmarillion311 ай бұрын
The US dollar is very strong at present against the Yen and Euro. To save money, with small risk, buy online from Japan or European online retailers. I bought 12 speed Ultegra from alexcycle for $1500 with no issues.
@grettaava115511 ай бұрын
Not sure about Yen, but Euro still stronger than dollar. I found out the hard way spending €5000 recently , cost me $450 more☹️
@taylorbrasher425211 ай бұрын
Is Alexcycle legit? The site seems alittle wonky
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
yes i have a ton of customers doing this strat
@charlesblithfield618211 ай бұрын
My 105 11-28 cassette weighs just 17 grams more than Ultegra but it’s less than half the price.
@germurphy498611 ай бұрын
And more durable too. Same with the cranks, 105 series won't delaminate like 8k&9k series.
@yukiko_505111 ай бұрын
My AliExpress 10 speed cassette is lighter than Tiagra for half the price, and it works the same
@robertovital936911 ай бұрын
Love those comparisons!
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
glad u enjoyed
@8rk11 ай бұрын
Ultegra for better value. Thanks. Bye. (Having said that I've never owned ultegra stuff, always went for dura ace. I'd get 105 for value. But value is not what I've been chasing)
@savagepro906011 ай бұрын
0:28 Hmm🤔🤨 Black and White checkered floor? Freemason Bike Shop!
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
hahahah I wish, they I would have so much moneyyyyyy
@guantisengkun43429 ай бұрын
I have an Ultegra 12 speed on my Cervelo S5. Full dura ace 12 speed on my Tarmac SL7. Aside from its weight, there is definitely a noticeable differences in the drive train smoothness and shifting efficiency. I upgraded my S5 to a DA cassette and chain, feels extremely smooth. I also changed the Rotor to XTR as the stock Ultegra ones make your bike look cheap.
@GCPerformance189 ай бұрын
yea duracae chain and casstte are a power move they are noticable upgrades
@Seamanatorrr11 ай бұрын
Great vid! Hopefully the new SRAM Red comes out soon, when that happens could you do the New Force vs New Red?
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
Thats what I am hoping for I have a feeling sram red wil be lighter then dura ace
@kemson44553 ай бұрын
Is it possible to upgrade from Ultegra brake callipers to dura ace callipers? Are the DA compatible with the rest of the Ultegra components? I mean 230€ for 50 grams saving sounds interesting.
@GCPerformance183 ай бұрын
yes they will work
@charlesblithfield618211 ай бұрын
Good idea for a video. It’s good to get a rider/bike mech/bike vendor analysis cause you can integrate all these different perspectives.
@michaellee704611 ай бұрын
Great vid grant!
@teunluijbregts253311 ай бұрын
Not too sure on Shimano as of yet - still waiting on the recall inspections on two of my current cranksets.
@tommackenzie776311 ай бұрын
Can you do a SRAM Force vs Red version of this? Loved the breakdown
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
yes I was thinking of waiting for the new sram red to come out before hand but Ih ad a lot of people ask fo rthis, so next time i get a sram red kit in stock it is coming up
@jamescourier15454 ай бұрын
Im thinking Dura ace rotors/calipers/cassette, Ultegra controls/ derailleurs & Rotor carbon crankset (with power meter) 🤩
@GCPerformance184 ай бұрын
yes mix and match
@cmarnold78Ай бұрын
Suprised such a big difference with the brakes. Same weigh difference as the cassette (60g) Wonder where the weight saving materiel is there? magnesium/titanium?
@luismartinho704411 ай бұрын
105 di2 with dura ace ou Ultegra 11-30 cassete and ultrgra r8000 crankset is the best velue group
@andyawesome284211 ай бұрын
r8000 crankset might not be the way to go with the current recall tho...
@luismartinho704411 ай бұрын
@@andyawesome2842 Yes, but mine is not in the recall series
@bikingchupei244711 ай бұрын
if it's still bonded tech, i'll still be uncertain about the quality@@luismartinho7044
@richardmiddleton777011 ай бұрын
My 2022 ultegra 36/52 chainset is lighter than my new 12 speed Dura Ace 40/54 chainset. I know the DA has slightly larger sprockets but I didn't expect that!
@TheAWallace121211 ай бұрын
Great video! Great info!
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
I am glad you enojoyed it
@Rdnewton1211 ай бұрын
Could you do a SRAM version of this. I’d like to see the differences between Red and Force.
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
yes of course, the new stuff?
@pinoyxbox11 ай бұрын
Im going for ultegra di2 but with dura ace cassette and chain and possibly carbon crank set.
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
that is always an op set up, even the ultgra groups with the dura ace cranks
@jonandbear18 ай бұрын
You r my guru!!!🙏 Dumb question here maybe, I have Ultegra 12sp and love it but really don’t like the look of the cranks. I love the look of GRX cranks tho (very mountain bikie lol). Would the new GRX 8200 2X crank for 12sp work with my Ultegra 12sp Di2 system? Thx in advance Jon🇨🇦
@GCPerformance188 ай бұрын
yes they would same chain being used so same stuff
@mohdjaini996012 күн бұрын
I love ultegra because of the value. But it’s a shame that the FD doesn’t fit 54/40 chainring. I have to buy the DA fd just to fit it.
@GCPerformance1812 күн бұрын
really? I didnt even know that to be honest
@bodhisatwaghosh6 ай бұрын
The only problem in this video being not comparing component by component.
@GCPerformance186 ай бұрын
I am so sorry I will do that next time
@bodhisatwaghosh6 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 great thanks. Nothing to be sorry about. Just an observation as I was going back and forth to check the differences. Anyways. I want to have a video on installation of a integrated handlebar like Vision Metron with both Hydraulic and mechanical gears like Ultegra R8000. Please share if you have something like that.
@p0p0ed11 ай бұрын
I am now gonna get a dura ace chain because that’s all I can afford.. and yes I enjoyed this video 😊
@seanrequiredfieldcannotbel136211 ай бұрын
Which one will not delaminate in a couple years?
@mbastos100011 ай бұрын
The better value is LTOO Chinese stuff when it works! I will wait until they fix that stuff and then I will buy one. Please, tell me if LTOO would work with SHIMANO disk break calipers? I don’t like LTOO calipers.
@fredericpressel161111 ай бұрын
When we start to call high-end products like Ultegra and Force not longer a „mid tier“ groupset… these are so pro level with a touch more robustness imho. But less glitter shmidder to pay for.
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
thats what they were always classified as, but I can see where this is not the norm anymore
@BikesKomsCRO11 ай бұрын
i love how JURRY looks bro...
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
So much jurrry
@robertovital936911 ай бұрын
Should have weighted each piece by direct comparison - cassette ultregra vs cassette dura ace, etc.
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
dang I am sorry, next time
@jonathan_guerrero8 ай бұрын
Coming from 105, is a DA cassette upgrade really a no brainer? If I don't care too much for weight will it really provide a better ride experience?
@sergeysedykh5 ай бұрын
What do you think of an SL6 S-works with DA Di2 when compared to the expert SL8 with Ultegra Di2? The older Tarmac is twice as cheap (used). Is it worth it?
@nationsnumber1chump11 ай бұрын
Do y'all ever get daja view down there? It looks so flat I would come to a stop light and think I went nowhere 😂
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
The rides are fast but very repetitive
@pavloradich11 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 daja view, right?
@christopherbrown961811 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
No problem! I thank you alot chris!!!!
@uglybean11 ай бұрын
Nice job!!!
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@arvindmahendran11 ай бұрын
Can you do this for sram please
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
of course, next time i get a complete sram red gorup in
@jonandbear18 ай бұрын
Same BB too for Ultegra 12sp and GRX? Sorry to bug ya brother🙏
@liutang11 ай бұрын
The best value is the one that won’t snap off and cut your legs mid-ride.
@mozzie811311 ай бұрын
PLUH 🗣️‼️
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
hahahah I had too much fun with that one
@Elbrunosh11 ай бұрын
Can you please share a spreadsheet of this data? With price and weight collums. Or shall I make it for you?😅
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
lmao it want to make it, I can pin it in the commment section
@qibble45511 ай бұрын
Was there any weight difference in the disc's lockrings between the two?
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
lockrings were the same
@aRlyWeakCyclist11 ай бұрын
Deep dish Ultegraaaaaa components
@ralphmartinez861611 ай бұрын
Just do a bong hit before your ride and you’ll be feeling light af!
@66mikkim11 ай бұрын
1Kg is equivalent to 5 watts, so save money and work harder
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
truthhh but also duraace does look sexy
@66mikkim11 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 that is personal prefrance, for me the matt black is more sexy than the glossy finish
@lisashiela913711 ай бұрын
I need those better gears. My new LandRider AutoShift wont let me choose my desired cadence. As soon as I try to raise my cadence the damn thing shifts up another gear.
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
hahaha who would think we wouldnt enjoy automatic shifting
@SamuelBlackMetalRider11 ай бұрын
I swear Shimano have made the Ultegra crankset dull on purpose… also SRAM RED Crankset do much lighter than DA!!
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
lmao I know for the reaosn to make people buy the bigger one, but the ultegra goes nice with matte frames
@hoLLyGhost5411 ай бұрын
It's a shame ultegra doesn't come with 54/40 especially when you're not a pro but still race competitive
@savagepro906011 ай бұрын
A Shame indeed. You have to Frankenstein your crankset with aftermarket chainrings!
@brienmiller100511 ай бұрын
You can replace chainrings with with DA 54/40 of course.
@laurenz32311 ай бұрын
Use DA chainrings
@pinoyxbox11 ай бұрын
In my place we can buy groupsets without cranksets. That way we are free to choose what crankset is o install.
@user-ge5bd6zz3q11 ай бұрын
If I'd doing a 1x12 drive train, is there any weight difference with the drive side dur-ace vs ultegra drive side crank? Thanks for the content.
@bernardo920211 ай бұрын
Go for a Rotor Aero Crankset and powermeter, lighter and a more accurate power meter
@bubbachua11 ай бұрын
Best to use a narrow wide chainring for 1x
@aloha_from_bradley5 ай бұрын
Just take a shit before your ride and you'll loose the 261 grams. Dura-Ace is dead at this point. It's really only for bragging rights. You can easily save 260+ grams by swapping much cheaper parts of the bike. A 2k price differential for these groups just doesn't make sense anymore. Edit: Go look at the videos where they weigh the bikes of the pros before races. Most of them are now on aero framesets, and the average total weight is around 18lbs. Half a pound literally means nothing in this day & age.
@GCPerformance185 ай бұрын
yea this is true honestly the weight is grams
@Chris._P._Bacon5 ай бұрын
I got Ultegra men's edition, I couldn't bring myself to waste $1,000 for the millennials groupset edition, a.k.a. "electronic & disc" and technically speaking, Dura Ace is for the ones that like to have nice things regardless of "price".
@GCPerformance185 ай бұрын
yep same here
@asmaanadenan29911 ай бұрын
PLUGG🗣️🗣️
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
Hahaha
@havindy10 ай бұрын
Shimano 105 is the best value.
@reallyitistolate11 ай бұрын
First! Nerdgasm of information
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
Can we nerdgasm together?
@savagepro906011 ай бұрын
@@GCPerformance18 Oh My! . . . Did I just hear THAT indecent proposal Bike porn is going to far!
@bikes777711 ай бұрын
Pros don't care about component weight. They have to add weights to their bikes to hit the 6.8kg weight minimum.
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
this was true now I feel like the struggle now to get there
@bmwflyfisher11 ай бұрын
I would love for you to show what the looks difference of the 9000 11 speed Dura Ace replacement would look like. Hambini stated it would look terrible…Just wondering if someone who’ll show us.
@bikingchupei244711 ай бұрын
3:36 none of these will last longer than the trusty non bonded 105
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
lmao all we can do now is hope and pray
@leslie792211 ай бұрын
Lmao a rotor that stays true better?! I have the new rotors (ultegra) and they've warped!
@bonbonflippers429811 ай бұрын
Lolz go mtb rotors!
@thedownunderverse11 ай бұрын
Weird, reports from everywhere suggest the new rotors warp less than the outgoing (shared with MTB) ones.
@leslie792211 ай бұрын
@@thedownunderverse idk man, I got mtb rotors on my 23kg e bike going true no issues and my new latest model ultegra only done 500km and warped :( I'm too scared to bend it back as I heard they are quite delicate so I'm just putting up with constant rubbing and grinding when it's rainy. I've reset my pistons and aligned it but when I use white paper and look thru the pads I can see the rotor going left to right (yes it's on properly and torqued)
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
thats what shimano said they hold shapee better
@eto235211 ай бұрын
Jur-Ree. Looks like jur-ree.
@EJD20011 ай бұрын
There's no way you can label Ultegra as mid tier, mid of the top tier if any but that feels wrong taking in account how premium this stuff is
@luketoms611011 ай бұрын
That's nuts. Just have a 💩 before your ride hay presto grams saved.
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
No…… imagine if you had this and had a shit in the morning…. It’s double winning
@luketoms611011 ай бұрын
@GCPerformance18 it is interesting if you can mix and match 105 and Ultegra to achieve the system weights of a full Ultegra kit. Also, if you still wanted a rim setup by using the STR9250 levers .
@FrayBera11 ай бұрын
1.700 kg. Sram Red 10 vel mechanical. $ 400 complete groupset XD you are welcome !
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
hahaha this is true
@the_luki11 ай бұрын
Ultegra cassette lasts longer than DA.
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
this is always the case for the more epxensive lighter materials they ware faster
@davidvonslingshot11 ай бұрын
AXS. That's what's better.
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
maybe I run this series for sram
@waisinglee150911 ай бұрын
People brag over USD1400???
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
yes no lie
@8bikeman11 ай бұрын
sram force and sram red
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
waiting for a new red to go against sram force
@tonylo601311 ай бұрын
Ultegra.
@seanbarman11 ай бұрын
EPO is much cheaper !
@GCPerformance1811 ай бұрын
yea for real!!! wondering for a friend, where can I get some ofthat