Borg Warner T86 3 Speed and R10 Overdrive Nash Healey Rebuild

[@notavailable.000]

you got some of the best intros. talent.

[@johncella4457]

Hey Paul, that was a real treat to watch. Thanks for posting.

[@craigm.9070]

Paul, It was great to see one of these oldies make an appearance. My dad used to talk about these 3 speed OD units from his days as a teenager and budding mechanic; skills that are evaporating into history it seems. Interesting teardown visuals on what sitting/condensation/water can do to these old cast iron transmissions. I saw your comment on the customer in a hurry so there was no time for a rebuild video...real shame, won't get to see too many more of these hen's teeth. Thanks for your time sir!

[@stuartcookie133]

Thanks Paul, Your making everyone's HIV-19 quarantine a little easier to deal with!

[@aftershock2222]

I have an old ‘58 Chevy with the muncie/ BW overdrive transmission . I absolutely love it! Thanks for the vid; I’m putting it in my favorites!

[@robertklein9190]

Paul thanks for dissecting the old O/D tranny. To bad that it can't be replaced by a nice little 5 speed, but that torque tube would be a problem. There were a couple of those Healy's around back in the day but were all show and no go. as they were owned only by the rich. I built a 49 Ford, with a 265 Chevy engine with that O/D tranny behind it. The Ford originally had a six with O/D so it had like a 4:11 rear so it had little go, and when it was in O/D could coast for "miles". It's must be over 60 years since I sold it, no I don't miss it, as there were many more projects after that.

[@samcoote9653]

This is super cool, not enough on gearbox stuff, and even less showing details like this, the engineering that goes into gearboxes, even these early ones, is just gorgeous to see. Thanks so much for the video!

[@patricktarter1252]

Wow, fantastic. I was afraid of this unit because of it's age, but I'm willing to at least get into the overdrive unit and to pull the trans cover to inspect it now. Thanks a million , great stuff!

[@oaktree71able]

GREAT job ! It's good to know that there are very knowledgeable industry leaders that have a command on these transmissions. A friend gave me a three speed overdrive with a GM stamp on it that I installed in my 56 Chevy pickup in 1984, which I still own. It was in his 72 Chevy former "hippy van" with a Corvette engine. ( I did the exhaust system on the van one day and found a metal box welded to the frame hidden with access to the inside. It was a drug running van. " Carry on as you "rebuild" AMERICAN history! MEGA!

[@GearBoxVideo]

Thank you

[@jerrytee2688]

Love your videos Paul. You're right on with the profitability of these type of rebuilds. I love doing the rare/oddball projects, but cost effectiveness definitely comes into play. Still quite interesting, thanks.

[@GearBoxVideo]

The idea of the videos is to show the oddball stuff. Usually I only take these jobs now is for the videos.

[@jerrytee2688]

@@GearBoxVideo Cool, appreciate it.

[@davidmcduffie1398]

Thank you Paul for this video. Brought back memories. You are correct about the rebuild jobs. I guess you get to a point in life when enough is enough ! I still like building engines and manual transmissions but its the ( Re' ) part I don't like anymore. Ya'll take care, be safe and we will see you on the next video !

[@limabravo6065]

My neighbor was a big hot rod builder back in the 60s and 70s and he was good people. and when he found out I was into cars he brought me into his shop and showed me the kind of stuff I'd only seen in magazines. He was rebuilding an original 426 hemi out of his buddies Road Runner that his step son had damaged by playing with fireworks in the garage as you do. But he had a Gm pattern 2wd 3 speed with OD that he gave me in exchange for cutting his grass all that summer and I'm pretty sure he made out on that deal lol. But he helped me put it in my 89 camaro😮, yeah its a frankencar. Over time I've automated the 12v solenoid with some cheapy electronics but it works fantastically, it's older than me and the car it's in and it's a conversation piece. Donny passed away in 2019 and I miss him everyday rip bud

[@tridbant]

I've taken apart quite a few different motorbike gearboxes yet always been wary of striping down a car gearbox,, thinking it would be very complicated. After watching your videos I feel quite confident in tackling a car gearbox. Thank you.

[@GearBoxVideo]

Thanks for sharing

[@GnBst]

Well this video came in the nick of time. I've been wanting to take a good look at the condition of my T-96/R-10 while i have the engine out of my '58 Rambler American. Thank you, sir!

[@GearBoxVideo]

Go for it!

[@aussiebloke609]

Yay - I've missed the starting vignettes with Rhonda. :-) Love the video - both for the information, and the entertainment. Stay safe, both of you.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

My Dad had a '61 Chevy Belaire with 3 on the Tree and Borgwarner over Drive .. Had a T handle on the base of the dash .. If you pulled the handle out you could go into overdrive if you let off on the gas.. Seems I recall you could split 2nd and third gear so you could drive the car as if you had a 5 speed..

[@Texassince1836]

Yeah but splitting gears was hard on the internals, definitely DO NOT want to do that today with parts rare as hens teeth.

[@drubradley8821]

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[@GearBoxVideo]

Thanks for that.

[@WAL_DC-6B]

Thanks for sharing how one of these transmissions goes together! Seeing that parts are hard to find, this is why I purchased a spare Borg-Warner T-86 transmission/overdrive with clutch/pressure plate for my Hudson Super Wasp at a vintage car swap meet for $175.00. The unit is in operational condition (it was out of a restored Hudson Hornet that was in an accident).

[@joseluciano4971]

Thank you Gearbox ," You are for far the" , best teacher out there , Love you.r classes , Blessed to you .

[@GearBoxVideo]

You are very welcome

[@robpustolka5368]

Nice intro and informative vid! Used your “rebuilding a Muncie ...” book extensively converting my 65 impala coupe to an M20. Be safe in Fla

[@erickieffer8440]

What a treat! I’ve never seen one of these transmissions.

[@donaldbookout815]

Great job. I have a similar, if not almost identical, three speed with overdrive in my 1950 Studebaker Champion.

[@GearBoxVideo]

Yes very much the same

[@Topper-gf8xl]

Thanks for sharing this video. I'm glad you are overhauling the T86 with R10 as that's what I have in my Studebaker. If you need a parts source, try "Herm The Overdrive Guy". Looking forward to the following videos on this build.

[@GearBoxVideo]

Thanks I just got the mainshaft and planetary back and I'm thinking it's best to replace. Badly pitted

[@irritablearchitect]

Rhonda is AWESOME.

[@dewiz9596]

A lot of “precision hammer” work going on.. . 😉

[@Texassince1836]

I prefer the term "manual swing press"

[@dirkbonesteel]

That is weird, just learned what a Nash Healey was yesterday. There's one in a video from mustache guy in his My Classic Car series from a year or two back. It had a 2 something something straight 6 with side draft carbs. Looked great

[@mercuryrising9390]

I just pulled a 3 on the tree, with OD, out of my '55 Mercury. How much should it cost to get it rebuilt? I know it depends on what it needs. But a ballpark figure is better than nothing. Also would you be interested in doing it? You can get the second video, that the other customer's timeframe didn't allow. I'm in no rush, I have floor pans, engine work, wiring, interior, just to name a few things that's going to keep me busy for some time to come. Thanks for the video, and your time. Have a wonderful day!

[@GearBoxVideo]

I have no idea. Parts are hard to find

[@danielesilvaggi]

Great video thank you. I know what you mean when you get into something that somebody else has already started, it's a pain.

[@danielsimpson8929]

Yeah... favorite is when the first person in there didn't put all the parts back in.

[@clone4211]

I installed a Borg Warner overdrive transmission from a 1958 Chevy into my 1950 Chevy with some modifications required for it to fit and have been driving with it for 15,000 miles and 6 years now. I have since grenaded the planetary gears twice due to low oil level in the transmission. I had an internal leak between the transmission and rear axle torque tube and thus all the transmission oil would get pumped into the rear end within a thousand miles. I think the planetary gears ride directly on a steel pin with no needle bearings or brass bushings in between to reduce friction. On top of that, the planetary gears sit way above the oil bath in a restricted space which limits the likelihood of oil reaching them, especially at low oil levels. I have since fixed the major leak and I will continue to use it, but I'm considering adding a supplementary oil pump which will be driven off the speedometer gear to spray gear lube directly on the planetary gears. There are times which I think making a run of planetary gear assemblies might be worth the expense if only to provide a service to the folks running these transmissions.

[@samstewart4807]

A great video. I hope Miss Rhonda does not get infected.

[@danielweinbaum]

AS ALWAYS... AWESOME !

[@BobPicc1]

How about a video on testing and rebuilding the electronics of the overdrive. Love the videos!

[@GearBoxVideo]

Of course. When I get some time. Come by my shop and grab a wrench!

[@Texassince1836]

Theres not much to em, apply 12V and ground to solenoid and it should kick out. Governor is hard to test off the vehicle since it needs to be spun up to speed to close the switch contacts. It should show open circuit when not spinning though

[@PCMenten]

I’ve got this transmission for my 224 Studebaker truck engine. I have a top-shifter from an International Scout. Apparently, I need to do some slight mods to the shift fort to make that shifter work on a T-86.

[@aRustyPatina]

Is there a part 2 rebuild of this? I have, I think, this same unit in my ‘58 Ranchero. Great to see relative simplicity and your explaining as you go is very helpful.

[@GearBoxVideo]

No. The customer was in a rush and needed it back.

[@aRustyPatina]

@@GearBoxVideo I see. Thanks!!

[@quilla4499]

Tanks for showing your skills my friend is old timer trans is a basic sistem

[@Texassince1836]

The OD lockout is engaged in reverse because otherwise the car wouldn't move, gotta bypass the sprag (overrun clutch) to pull in reverse. You can also bypass the sprag in forward gears to allow engine braking below 28mph, because when the OD is enabled but not engaged the trans will freewheel on deceleration (thanks to the sprag)

[@owl1001000]

great intro, and video.

[@aroundlinemen]

Great video , nice job , thanks What oil would you use. , thanks

[@GearBoxVideo]

These I used driven racing GL4

[@Texassince1836]

Another question ive got is what's your thoughts on the practicality of getting the sun and planet gears reproduced? I found (and bought) an NOS sun gear for mine, but the planetary is only available used from what ive seen. Figured you may have some input on the subject since you're in the industry

[@GearBoxVideo]

Well the thing is if there was a large demand it would happen, but there isn't. The cost to tool and produce way exceeds demand.

[@robertschaefer7200]

Really wish there was a part 2 but part 1 was helpful. I have T86 3-Speed with the R10 overdrive in my 1955 Ford. I've got it back together but still need to see if it works. Part of my worry is that my governor body is cracked but still seems to work.

[@GearBoxVideo]

The customer was impatient so I had to finish it and had no time to do a 2nd video

[@dewiz9596]

At one point I owned a 1984 Toyota Can LE Automatic, and 1995 Camaro Z28 6-speed manual. , . The transmission in both vehicles was a Borg Warner. . . Now. . . question. . . do you make these tear-down videos to help you put it together again? Because, that’s what I would do. Loving your stuff!

[@GearBoxVideo]

I already build these many times. I do them for people to learn.

[@thejackofeverything7961]

Great vid!, a bit more complicated than that Georgia overdrive though ;)

[@mrsgstd]

Awesome video! I'm rebuilding a T96 which was used in Jeeps, Ramblers, Studes and Henry Js. I'm replacing the synchro unit and when I took it apart, I see what appears to be marks on the sleeve. I don't see any marks on the synchro hub or rings but they're caked with grease. Is there a specific way the hub, sleeve and rings need to be lined up with each other? I have the shop manual for the car and it doesn't mention anything like that but it also assumes a lot. Thx

[@GearBoxVideo]

If the hubs and sleeve slide together well, it's good enough

[@mrsgstd]

@@GearBoxVideo Thanks so much. I watched your other video on synchros and got my answer from that video. Thanks for doing what you do!

[@DeanMk1]

My dad had a 1960 Apache 10 pickup that had 3 on the tree and an overdrive that was actuated by a knob on the dash that you pulled. Was his setup also a T86/R10 ?

[@GearBoxVideo]

Same basic overdrive but the transmission was a GM 3 speed

[@samstewart4807]

"old bolts, nuts and washers" are different thickness/ tolerances/ materials'- as you can see on this trans.

[@jamesbruno5896]

Very interesting teardown thanks for posting? I'm guessing the solenoid is 6 volts?

[@GearBoxVideo]

Some are 6 and some are 12

[@Texassince1836]

Early units are 6, later units are 12.

[@GearBoxVideo]

For the Nash Healey? What is the cut off?

[@Texassince1836]

@@GearBoxVideo I'm most familiar with the GM variants, it'll depend on what the car was originally (or is currently) equipped with

[@UJAXMAN]

Can these tail shafts be removed without taking the entire transmission out? I put 12 volts to the solenoid when I'm at 30 MPH and, thought I hear the solenoid throw forward, I don't feel or see any drop in RPM.. Perhaps it's gunked up inside and not and not engaging? What do you think? I don't want to buy the relay and kickdown switch if the OD doesn't function..

[@GearBoxVideo]

No

[@samstewart4807]

OMG! I am guessing rhonda is not happy! BUTT WAIT!! latest gov surveys indicate women who are wearing and looking good in tight jeans will not be infected-

[@Texassince1836]

I know its been 2020 and things are not going to plan, but will there be a part 2 on this Paul?

[@GearBoxVideo]

Yes

[@pennk4]

Hi Paul, Thanks for the video. I really like watching your work flow and how you deal with various problems. Question: How do you think water got into the case? Was the car in a flood? Or was it from the natural breathing of the case bringing in high humidity air through the vent hole and condensing as the temps change day and night, and summer to winter? Glad this old transmission is being saved. Thanks, Dan

[@GearBoxVideo]

Just laying around in a shed or kept outdoors

[@randytravis3998]

I have done small engines / lawn mowers for over 42 years .. love when someone has been working on the mower that should not .. break parts loose parts .. could have been a 5 min fix turns into a 3 hour repair ...

[@OCT566]

Paul I have a OD stamped R9 in a 47 Hudson, I see lots of talk of R10 and R11s What do I have here ?

[@GearBoxVideo]

Its an R9!

[@OCT566]

@@GearBoxVideo lol, thanks for all the help

[@BessieMorrison]

Are there any update on how this build went together after cleanup? Thanks for sharing.

[@GearBoxVideo]

Sadly I had to finish the trans since the customer couldn't wait

[@Topper-gf8xl]

I was curious as well. I have a T86 that needs rebuilding, no gear oil in it when I bought the car. I bought another one that I suspect the overdrive is damaged in it.

[@perfectworldpat7053]

Thanks for the vid. Would love to have an overdrive for my 1949 Kaiser special K. Do you know where i could find one?

[@GearBoxVideo]

No idea

[@ericanderson3324]

modern fan 36 mm wrench fits governor perfectly

[@randallorr3730]

This was so cool. What amazes me is how simple these things where made. Correct me if I am wrong but, didn't Hudson use this same set up in the Hornets and Commodores?

[@GearBoxVideo]

Yes

[@Texassince1836]

BorgWarner sold R10s and R11s to GM, Ford, Hudson, Studebaker, Chrysler, and several other manufacturers.

[@mdh157]

The two plugs on the right side of trans..........lower one for draining and upper for refilling - is that correct? Doesn't the OD unit take fluid as well?

[@GearBoxVideo]

Oil from the trans goes into the OD like a conventional extension housing

[@panheadron1]

Hey Paul. Do you see a casting # of 3121289 on the main case?

[@merckeleven]

Where you get the rebuild kit?...

[@GearBoxVideo]

There are no kits. Just parts you search for

[@cochip__5897]

I understand the rebuild didn’t get a video. Is there any chance you could list or note what parts you would recommend replacing and wjere you would recommend looking to find said parts. I just acquired a R11 that will likely need to be rebuilt and die to cost I am going to tackle it. Thanks

[@GearBoxVideo]

Just try the google searches. NOBODY is reproducing abything. People are rebuilding solinoid and governors

[@TractorWrangler01]

Just before you comented on the gloves is was saying out loud "I hate gloves" When you said it my natural instinct was to look behind me.. LOL

[@SteinOnkel]

The real test of skill with these is to get it into 1st over ;)

[@roadstarman58]

I did it on my '49 Merc once. It was a little slower shifting than some of the other od's I've had, so it wasn't really worth the effort.

[@unclequack5445]

Paul did you build it back?

[@GearBoxVideo]

Yes but no time for a video

[@unclequack5445]

@@GearBoxVideo I get it your a busy man Sir. would have liked to see it.

[@GearBoxVideo]

It's about customers being patient

[@roccobro]

Any plans on tearing down a 60's Corvair 4 speed? Always wondered what made them fail on the inside.

[@GearBoxVideo]

If one comes in. I haven't seen one in a very long time.

[@rulehardgarage9740]

I'm trying to get my of apart due to something going astray inside. For some reason the lock lever will not slide all the way and the OD will not seperate. ANY advice?

[@GearBoxVideo]

Sorry I dont. Other than if you're talking about the shaft held in with the pin, sometimes the retaining groove gets peened in the bore and you carefully have to pry it out

[@rulehardgarage9740]

​@@GearBoxVideo that won't come out all the way but based on another manual for the ford it states it doesn't pull out but you have to pull it out as far as possible. I just can't figure out why the OD won't come out from the housing. Thanks though.

[@PDSVIDEO1966]

Hi Paul is there any reason why you don't steam clean the outsides before you open them.

[@GearBoxVideo]

Because you have electrical components and it's going to get cleaned properly once disassembled

[@PDSVIDEO1966]

@@GearBoxVideo Thanks for the answer,always enjoy your videos and the high standard of care you put into every build.

[@RobertKohut]

Nice!!

[@dc5723]

Permatex still makes Indian Head Shellac.

[@kingsmen4728]

Question can I use Pennzoil synchromesh in my mustang 5.0 with a stock T-5 trans?? Is it safe if so how many quarts 3 right? Thanks

[@GearBoxVideo]

Works great. Fill it to the level of the fill plug. It's not exactly 3 quarts. I think a little less

[@kingsmen4728]

@@GearBoxVideo thank you sir keep up the great videos!!

[@Texassince1836]

Ive got a Saginaw with R10 OD sitting on the floor right now ive gotta fix. PO ran the R10 dry and burned up the planetary. Ive got a lead on some parts though. Everything in the main case looks OK though.

[@Texassince1836]

Wish I could upload a pic, they are pretty neat. Gotta be especially careful on the Saginaw units, split em wrong and you'll drop the needle bearings out between the input shaft and the main shaft in the main case (not the OD)

[@GearBoxVideo]

Done many of those

[@shilohgardner]

Anyone know what options I have to repair a Ford RUG 3 Speed with overdrive shift mechanism?

[@GearBoxVideo]

Is it an external shifter or single rail? You need to be specific as to make model and year

[@shilohgardner]

GearBoxVideo external shift in 78 F150

[@GearBoxVideo]

Nothing available. You can try SK trans at 631-957-9427

[@unclequack5445]

From what I recall these 3 speeds will take big time abuse long as you make clean shifts.

[@Texassince1836]

They went behind low powered motors from the factory, SO there are extremely robust in the original car with the original motor

[@unclequack5445]

@@Texassince1836 I must admit I enjoy the 3 speed on the column driving experience.

[@kevingore3588]

what do you know about bw35 transmission on a 63 rambler station wagon 880 series

[@GearBoxVideo]

Not much

[@KennethMichael-yr8pk]

When can we see the final build?

[@GearBoxVideo]

Unfortunately the customer could not wait, so there would not be a final video

[@jacquelinechellis4036]

I got a very small crosley three speed it is so small Half the size of a 1960 falcon peanut box three speed. That was a well designed box for way back then. Thanks for the video

[@SAVAGEMCHIEF]

I have a Saginaw 3 speed overdrive and I could use help with it

[@akfarmboy49]

hey I like the old school stuff, AMC Gremlin had over drive in mid 70's was it similar model transmission?

[@GearBoxVideo]

yes

[@akfarmboy49]

I’m a machinist I build tools for all my rebuilding projects. Do you make many tools for your projects? eBay has helped me buy lots of factory tools.

[@GearBoxVideo]

Sometimes. eBay is great for finding old service tools

[@AMCMag]

The unit used in the 70s was a Laycock-DeNormanville OD. It's the same as used in 70s Volvo and MG cars, amongst others. It had an electric solenoid, but it was just a valve that controlled the flow from a hydraulic pump that actually activated the OD unit. There was no lock-out cable, it wasn't needed (it had no free-wheel clutch either). The last Borg-Warner OD units were made around 70-71 and last used by Ford in some trucks, IIRC. The Borg-Warner has a large electric solenoid on the side that actually activates the OD. The solenoid is about the size of a car HVAC blower motor, not a little one like the Laycock-DeNormanville unit. FYI Gear Vendors got their start by buying up excess L-D OD units from AMC when they stopped using them in the mid 70s and converting them to divorced units. They later got rights to manufacture and built a heavier duty version which they still sell.

[@wwsjr2]

At least it didn't smell like a burnt powerglide.

[@samstewart4807]

Is the owners name rob? from ny?

[@GearBoxVideo]

Paul

[@Roy_Godiksen]

💖💖💖👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@unclequack5445]

Who has not taken a ''3 on the tree'' into some wet grass or any dirt roads?

[@codegame027]

I think this is the trans that's in my 71 F100

[@youcoulduseit7492]

Great inside on a re-build . Ya but it's #'s match! Boy wait till rhonda finds out about this corona virus thing . She'll have to get a nail brush and a 100 bars of soap.

[@CheezyDee]

I guess Rhonda is ready for the zombie apocalypse.

[@GearBoxVideo]

Seems like that.

[@jocrp6]

Not only what all you said but, what did the inside of that thing smell like? lol,

[@WayneRigley]

i have a 66 3 speed for you if you want to play again ! for gods sake i know I'm not doing it.

[@tinolino58]

I am confused about the explanation: „ I dont like to rebuild transmissions“ 🙄

[@GearBoxVideo]

Yes, I mainly build new units.and do rebuilds to teach. I no longer like to rebuild because of the amount of dirty transmissions. More time is devoted to prep, such as cleaning and blasting rather than rebuilding.. Yes it's part of the process and I understand that. Just not something I like to do anymore. Keep in mind I've been doing this for 40 years.

[@tinolino58]

GearBoxVideo Agree! I am in Mopeds. A hobby for europeans. Currently I rebuild 5 old 2speed transmissions. The biggest task: clean up before working on it. 🙈

[@vw4x4]

I have one of these for sale..... Anyone need it?

[@samstewart4807]

lol @6.00 NO rhonda makes your life difficult.