Sonic Omens is Actually... Fun??

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[@CarvelComix]

"It appears that the difficulties you are encountering stem primarily from an insufficient level of proficiency or expertise in the task at hand, rather than from any external factors or inherent obstacles. This suggests that the challenge is directly related to your current skill set, and improvement in that area would likely yield more favorable outcomes."

[@SendoDX]

creative way to dodge a bullet imma let it slide LMAOOO

[@Super_sonic_Velocity]

Or in 2024 terms. You have a skill issue😂

[@CarvelComix]

@@SendoDX When in doubt, become verbose!

[@delaneyelekes8660]

I think Sonic stories can be good when they try to be video game stories. Sonic Unleashed is a perfect example. (Spoilers ofc.) Chip never got to experience the world, and won't ever get to again. But, by traveling the world with him, you give him the chance to see what it has to offer. I think that's really heartwarming. And this isn't accomplished through a ton of deep cutscenes, it's just... the premise of the game. Every level shows off the beauty of a different part of the world, the player gets to interact with townsfolk and eat the food, you even get these cute animations of Chip and Sonic having fun together that you can unlock. It tells a story in a way that only a video game can, where the PLAYER experiences it and can relate back to the themes, in this case appreciating the beauty of the world, and I love that so much. Chip's time with Sonic is a lot like the player's time playing the game. Like yeah SA2 has good writing, but it does attempt to be a bit of a movie, doesn't it? That seems to be what Omens is trying to accomplish, and sadly it fails to even be *that.* As if the devs of Omens knew about SA2's popularity and tried to emulate it without thinking for themselves about what would be the best for their game's narrative and why. More games need to understand the natural approach Unleashed took and why it's so perfect.

[@SendoDX]

can very much see and agree with where you're coming from here

[@nelunel_u]

You got a weird fixation on "darkness" as a driving factor of the quality of a story. That isn't why people like Sonic stories, people like Sonic stories because of the characters. Sonic Heroes is about as dark as episode of Phineas and Ferb, but you don't hear people complaining about it like they do the later games because the characters all act like they should and they get to flaunt their personalities.

[@SendoDX]

Everyone draws narrative value from different things tbf. The reason I constantly fixate on "darkness" is because that was a very heavy topic of discussion surrounding SA2 a number of years ago and permeated most, if not all, discussion surrounding the sonic stories of the time. I think the shockwaves of that community discussion still permeate convos now because, especially with Frontiers, I saw a lot of people excited about the story simply because it seemed to be trying something "darker" than before. Maybe that ties itself to the possibility for better character interaction and moments, but I honestly don't think so. Frontiers had plenty of amazing and in-character moments for every character but people still have HUGE issues with that story for various reasons. I guess at the end of the day it's hard to pinpoint what make these stories work but a LOT of people have a fascination with a "dark, adult" sonic story and I think that shows in 90% of fan games that attempt to write something.

[@legoboy7107]

To be fair, Phineas and Ferb occasionally gets kinda dark lol.

[@KaleSTUDIOS]

The characters act like they should in Heroes? In what other game do the characters start war over the slightest disagreements? Shadow's character from SA2 is undone. Why doesn't Rouge tell Shadow about his past? People don't complain about Heroes' story because anything about it is good, people don't complain about Heroes' story because absolutely no one cares about Heroes' story.

[@sonicwithglasses131]

Huh ??? No sonic fan rates heroes "story" at all

[@yummynubs3646]

Heroes has a story?

[@jskywalker58]

controvery with the developers aside i think this was a really fun game and have no shame in saying that i personally think its on par with some of the official sonic games

[@Opdudall]

What controversy

[@jskywalker58]

@@Opdudall well this is just what i've heard but its turns out the develoeprs were once trying to profit off the fangame which is illegal to do, and there also this thing with people discorving an unused game file that has maria in underwear that had inapprpriate words on them and obviously people were disgusted by that since she's a minor. and also the develoepers of the game would be kinda dickish toward people who didn't like the game. so yeah the omens team aren't exactly good people and one of the people on that team is a creep but hey i'm a beliver of the "seperate the art from the artist" mindset weather or not you can follow that mindset is up to you.

[@espurrseyes42]

@@jskywalker58 The majority of that drama got debunked long ago, particularly the Maria thing that was done by an outsourcee, Ouroboros not finding out about it until people started giving them shit for it. And it's a stupid controversy in general. People REALLY tryna act like Sally Acorn with no clothes wasn't a thing. Or Boobs the Bat and her jiggle physics in a roughly E-rated series. Or the constant upskirting of Amy, same age as Maria, throughout the Dreamcast to pre-Dark Ages era even in sprite games where they had to willing draw those sprites when they could've just not. Nevermind the ocean of R34 this series has.

[@Bruno-fw6nw]

@@espurrseyes42 The amy skirt situation was so crazy honestly, they should've give her shorts or something at least

[@wildberrysherbert3803]

@@espurrseyes42 Must I remind you of the document that debunks Ouroboros' response that you keep denying doesn't exist when my mere presence makes it way easier to access?

[@BlueTakBlur]

7:40 uh sonic stories being children's stories or not that dark doesn't mean the story isn't deep. childrens stories can be deep even if it's light hearted. ain't no way you believe that 💀. there are deep and interesting sonic stories dark or not. sonic stories can be cool and deep but because it's cartoony people automatically can't take it seriously even tho the contrast of the characters is the point.

[@WolvesbaneNetwork]

"please dont pretend to be someone you're not" you do know what acting is right? Jokes aside you probably mean dont try to copy someone else.

[@SendoDX]

@@WolvesbaneNetwork hahaha exactly, just do your own version of Sonic and it’ll be much less jarring than trying to act as someone who’s acting as someone

[@FirstName_LqstName]

Sendo nobody who's older than 5 likes SA2 because it's "dark" we liked it because the writing was actually good. There's a difference between childrens media that doesn't care at all and feels like brainrot (Colors) versus childrens media that's actually thoughtful or enjoyable to anyone else watching. _or at least thats why i liked SA2 I know there are Shadow meet riders for that game. He's not my favourite character in the franchise but that game and his character was far more interesting than literally anything in the entire franchise_ Which is disappointing cause you'd assume with how good the wordless storytelling was in the 2D games Sega would keep trying to improve their story telling techniques and incorporate it more in gameplay but we are in the worst timeline so it is how it is.

[@SendoDX]

So I totally see where you’re coming from and I don’t think that being a children’s story omits it from valid criticism or even the possibility for it to be good and hit with a wider audience (ie: Puss n Boots Last Wish is fire). That being said, the “darkness” fascination comes from a community wide discussion that happened years ago and somehow still sends shockwaves through the community even now. Good example is when Frontiers had some minor story segments revealed and people geeked about how it was going for a darker take on a Sonic story. Maybe that community connection between dark stories and good Sonic stories comes from some other logical connection that links the two, but idk. Overall Sonic story discussion is fucking weird imo

[@AquaVerve]

Not the best Sonic Story ever written, but has it's moments like after one of the bosses (trying not to spoil here) and a lot of fanservice which is the bulk of where the hype comes from, i still enjoyed it though and I'm sure there's many people that think the same

[@MetalWeebChaos]

To be fair, you do need an IQ of 300 to understand the deep complexities of a Sonic story... Seriously though, I just want the story to be fun and the characters as themselves. I don't want Shadow disowning friendship, Tails being a coward, Sonic constantly trying to fix the villains or whatever. If it's a different universe entirely (Archie, Fleetway, the movies, etc.), then you could switch it up to keep it unique.

[@crimsonzone8984]

Shadow disowning friendship is alright for his character. Not because he's an a** hole. But because he would prefer allies and people that he regards. The issue with idw's shadow is that he isn't polite, calculative and respectful compared to the real Shadow has. Instead he has some of the traits of the real Silver, which is his brashness and recklessness. The real Shadow is a realist and a skeptic. He's a good person, but he is not in to touchy feelings like friendship or things that are realistically worthless. Not unless his ego says so. (And before you mistake ego for selfish or anything over exaggerating, go search for that word in Google.)

[@MetalWeebChaos]

​@@crimsonzone8984 What I mean is that it's stupid for him to say that friends and such make Sonic weak because he has people he trusts in Rouge and Omega, even if he never says it. It just feels like the writers took a bit of Boom Shadow and snuck it into the original hoping no one would notice. And yeah, I know what an ego is. Don't worry, I'm not that special yet lol

[@crimsonzone8984]

@@MetalWeebChaos It seems to me that the writers were very ignorant and half-witted just like people in fandoms. (I'm sure you know how immature fandoms are after spending time with them. I personally do.) Sega/sonic team gave them the shadow mandates, and (whatever it says) they were like "😠oh, I see! 😤So you want Shadow to be douchebag?😡 Alright, when then here's your demanded damn Edgy the Hedgy!!🤬!" That's really how I see it. But honestly everyone are just so out of character in these comics and the story is just all surface level and tiny moments meant to look cool without any real substance. The IDW writing feels more like modern Disney or mcu writing.

[@MetalWeebChaos]

@@crimsonzone8984 Exactly! It's all about looking good and not being impactful. I even gave IDW a chance and the only things I liked were Surge/Kit's backstory and that Scrapnik Island one-off. Even then I had to sit through a lot of sterile writing just to get to that stuff, but now even Surge's character is going down the drain recently (I won't spoil it but if you know, you know).

[@mikeanthony3300]

​@crimsonzone8984 I'm still salty about Team Dark seemingly being considered non existent as Shadow has shown to not care for either Rouge or Omega. This is explicitly shown in the Team Sonic Racing KZbin animations were Shadow deliberately leaves his teammates in the dust to focus on winning the race. I get it could be just for laughs but remember when Shadow seemed touched if not, respected the fact Rouge would stand by his side even if he became a worldwide threat in 06? That's the Shadow I want back.

[@Barraspy]

0:16 bro crashed out so hard he had to post commentary 😭 1:57 much like every boss in this game, they all suck 3:54 he did crash out 😭 5:14 I paid attention and it still doesn’t make sense lol even being so angry that I didn’t care it still didn’t make sense! 8:26 I was told that I did really good throughout my playthrough, so I think that’s why my hate towards the game was less negative on the comment side of my videos, if it was a genuine skill issue I feel I would’ve been getting skewered lol, my ability to pick up on Sonic games is crazy 10:23 I usually don’t care about Sonic stories, BUT if the story is actually kinda good I just see it as a bonus, like I love Unleashed’s story, it’s very simple in places but it’s great. I can imagine the ADHD as you watch your gameplay and try to YAP about stuff 😭 13:53 they are great BUT I just don’t like how repetitive it gets, it feels lazy but I think it can be fun, even with the infinity engine. 15:41 music here was cool though, felt like I was in a cool area in a JRPG 17:47 it was alright, I can see the problems, but yeah I didn’t have any issues. 20:09 “it’s too linear!” 😂 21:16 Sonic broke animation right there 😭 22:08 Sonic ain’t voiced by Jason Griffith he’s voiced by Jefferson Grant 😭

[@SendoDX]

Wish that could be me. I always get skill issue comments and it's partly because I play into it a lot but also... some mfs be serious like god damn LMAO exactly exactly the story is a bonus LMAOO "we got Jason Griffith at home" -- Sonic Omens Appreciate the comment as always man. Apologies for the short reply, just in class sending out some comments and uhhh dickin around hahaha

[@ChumZoneGamingEnt]

1:25 quick step does the barrel roll they knew what they were doing. 😜 2:32 The ground glows before the boss comes to you which gives you ample amount of time to do a quick step. Skill issue 😂 12:14 Don't agree with calling that concept of unlocking lore with red rings dumb...why? Sonic Frontiers did the exact same thing with the egg memos.... People were still asking questions about things that happened throughout the story and it was something that was understood. 19:17 the game literally told you where to go why would you go to the flooded log! 😂 That's what I'm talking about the game specifically communicates what you're supposed to do but people don't want to pay attention and try and blame the game. And it slowed down so it gave you enough time to see what's going on.

[@SendoDX]

The glowing doesn’t remove my issue tho 😭 like yeah I know where he’s coming from and can avoid it early, I did that a few times in the vid. The reason I was unhappy was because even if you know where he’s coming from, you can’t damage him and THEN move out of the way, which limits the speed with which you can beat the boss and player expression. There was a lot of potential there that I think got fumbled. I don’t mind unlocking optional lore through optional collectibles - I was simply saying if the collectibles are needed to make the narrative experience enjoyable/understandable they should’ve been more integral to the experience. Unsure if that’s the case here, but that’s why I prefaced it with a lot of “ifs” in the video. How? With the water that appeared AFTER the point of no return for my decision? Yeah if the water was flowing frame 1 it’d be clearly communicated but that’s not what happened. Even with the slowdown it… really didn’t help 😭 like again, the water was only obvious and visible AFTER you get incredibly close to the pipe. It just doesn’t work, they should’ve had the water flowing from the start.

[@ChumZoneGamingEnt]

​@@SendoDX on the contrary you CAN damage and avoid him and it as been shown you just have to be good at game and utilize the quickstep. Your speed is not limited at all. Learn the fundamentals (like a Sonic game and get good) this boss can be beaten within seconds if you shoot and missle. You unfortunately didn't do that which made it take longer...this boss USED to be long er but again streamlined. Skipping the narrative because like you said you don't necessarily care. Water section I watched it again yeah they gave you plenty of time to make the decision and they also gave the incentive to slow the section down see and the water so you can go to the other side. It was already flowing. You were too busy looking at Sonic rather than looking ahead of you and seeing what your destination was.

[@Chillin-jg8vg]

This game seems good except the airplane levels. Since they drag on too long. Have you ever played Robotnick's ring racers?

[@SendoDX]

airplane levels are defo the worst so far. Unfortunately I haven't played ring racers, I need to tho. I'm highkey just afraid of the fact that it takes so much learning lmaoo

[@monkemango]

i think the best sonic stories are the ones that are that have the most crazy memorable moments, playing it completely straight while being straight to the heart. i love sonic adventure 2's story because they do the most batshit things with these cartoon animals and play it completely straight, we watch a child get shot dead and her grandpa executed live ala live leak. but it's also still incredibly cheesy and to the heart. same goes for the sonic unleashed story while not as batshit, still has a lot of memorable moments and is straight to the heart.

[@DukeTheHero_]

When we’re talking about the lore and the writing for Sonic Games to actually get it right that’s the exact opposite of what Omens does. However you can’t say they weren’t trying to do something here because they were trying make a game that basically continues the story of Sonic X and tries to turn it into a game while adding a little bit of that Unleashed love and it failed miserably! The developers did not care about the Story and instead added weird things just to mess it up! If Sonic X ever got a real adventure game this would not be it! Maria shows up as a Boss!? First off She’s an innocent girl that Shadow Loves and secondly She’s Dead in the Timeline! You can’t revive a character without a purpose or reason to do it that’s like Reviving Mephiles for No Reason either way it’s messing up the Timeline and Lore! And the Eggdragoon how did that come back!? Eggman didn’t even explain how and why he rebuilt it!?

[@zyposts]

sendo is a twisted fucking cycle path and we love it

[@SendoDX]

I think you'll really enjoy the next few episodes if you enjoy me tweaking

[@zyposts]

@@SendoDX the schizo-esc ramblecore is my favourite part of the videos x3

[@chair_dib]

Did you misspell that on purpose?

[@yummynubs3646]

@@chair_dib No, Sendo really likes bycicles

[@j.j.9518]

this title is character development at its finest

[@Sage942]

doesnt remove the fact that thats still a skill issue

[@SendoDX]

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[@fatalwaffle1715]

Cool Video. It is a cool fan game.

[@jrspaceboy9648]

"This part of the level is really cool" when he sees a level section borrowed from SA2

[@MarkerMurker]

Escaping From Gnarl is based on an escape sequence from Ori and the Will of the Wisps, even the looparound part. I thought that was really cool seeing it adapted from a 2D metroidvania to a 3D plane shooter. About the boss though... I had a lot of trouble with it too, but some of that damage was from you flying forward into it, which means less time to get out of the way. 6:00 "How'd you get here" to the crumb 🤣 I actually see what you mean about these stories now. I just like seeing what people choose to do with them, regardless of whether it's deep or not. Tree Palace and Waterfall Chase are are based on the Ginso Tree sequence from Ori and the Blind Forest. I can see how it doesn't work for a lot of people. But especially for Tree Palace, you can still use the physics to just blaze through in like a minute and a half. The thing about communicating things to the player, I kind of understand because I had the same issue with a game called Sonic UltraSaturn. It's a shame because it's so close to being good. I bet I'll have some words for GUN Arsenal, that's actually my favorite... Good job with the post commentary, I could never 🤣

[@SendoDX]

It's honestly really cool that they took so much design inspiration from Ori. I think it would work way better if the game didn't... actively not work with the design they took LMAO but it could be so much worse. The plane sections just feel very confused and un-intersting to me personally. I definitely didn't avoid the boss super effectively (and took a bunch of unnecessary damage) but maaaan I saw such a neat vision with it and I'm so sad that they didn't allow me to get away with some of the things I was trying. Could've been such a cool boss. Yooo send a video of the tree palace stuff, would love to see someone break that stage. I think it still would need a bit of work to make it super fun but the idea is solid it's just... a lot of stuff that slows down the player and adds little frustrations here and there. Appreciate the comment gang, I know you like this game a decent amount so it's interesting to hear your perspective! Good luck with the rest of your sage uploads

[@MarkerMurker]

Forgot to reply to this, sorry! Thanks for always taking the time to answer. My SAGE uploads are almost done, just want to do some non-Sonic stuff. I don't know where the video I recommended is, so I can just record it myself and sendo it to you

[@legoboy7107]

Sendo didn't use my title suggestion when he said he would. I feel betrayed.

[@SendoDX]

When I feel diddled it’ll be the first one on my mind, don’t you worry bby

[@legoboy7107]

@@SendoDX Alright, yes daddy.

[@wildberrysherbert3803]

Hey, just so you know, this game is best played with kb+m, unfortunately the game never tells you this despite the game becoming much more fun with kb+m compared to controller.

[@espurrseyes42]

The plane segments especially. Max Camera Sensitivity on controller is nothing compared to being able to make Tails vomit with kbm controls.

[@SendoDX]

I kinda hate that man, so unfortunate. I really don't like playing keyboard and mouse for Sonic games especially, so that is MASSIVELY unfortunate for me in particular.

[@rmms6629]

ill Skissue

[@RaijinRift]

True, realistically the only dark story has been frontiers

[@espurrseyes42]

SA2 literally revolves around a little girl getting shot and killed in a government conspiracy, where numerous people were killed, as the driving force for the undercover villain of the game to manipulate the primary antagonists to initiate his plans to destroy the Earth so everyone can suffer and die as he did. Also he got firing squaded after announcing his plan. And you're saying FRONTIERS is the only Dark Story? It's honestly not that dark outside of the surface level "Outer Entity wiped out a civilization and we get to see some of the destruction live".

[@Beastmd]

It’s always hilarious when you say cute lmao, great video bro

[@ItsSplonk]

the White Jungle stage kinda pissed me off a lil bit, cuz I mean yeah for all intents and purposes, it's a good stage, but so many set pieces from the stage I just looked at and went "thats from SA2, thats also from SA2, that part is like COMPLETELY identical" and it sucks, cuz the few original set pieces and gimmicks (like the homing attack AROUND the wooden barrier utilising the double jump) were hella interesting. like for every interesting idea they have, there's another tornado-pilotting stage or another Tree Palace

[@SendoDX]

Yeah I was noticing some of that as well. I wish that the game tried to do its own thing but when the experience is littered with a swath of middling content, I actually sort of welcome SA2 set pieces in the boost formula LMAO. I will say, the pace of this game rn seems to be "two good/decent stages" and then "one really dogshit thing" which could be... so much worse. I feel like I've played a LOT of other fan games that are just flat out bad content throughout. Long rambling aside, the TL;DR is that I agree and see where youre coming from

[@FirstName_LqstName]

Nah Sendo you gotta upload the live commentary, i wanna hear it shits gotta be funny

[@FirstName_LqstName]

Also, the whole "It's a childrens story, so it's story doesn't matter" take has always been stupid. If the all writers thought the same way when writing for childrens media literally everything would be on the same level of quality as coco melon. The list of childrens media that gives a shit and gets praised for being enjoyable for everyone is often talked about more than Nier- where does that take come from ? Like even if you don't care about the story, other people obviously do. So whats stopping any writer from putting whatever they wanted in a "childrens" Sonic game ? I'm not saying Omens is good. It's amateur. And i hope after you're done, you delete the game cause there's files in there you should not own. But the story takes you have are almost consistently the weirdest or most thoughtless. They don't make sense for anyone else's perspective to me who doesn't already think like you. An aspect of a game is it's story. People generally like it when their well written ? I know Sonic fans have been eating school grade lunches for story recently, but why would you want the bar to be low consistently ? Like yeah "skill issue bad" but like really ? Where does this take come from ?

[@espurrseyes42]

If the "files" you're referring to are the Maria ones, that was patched out long ago, and wasn't put their by the primary devs, but an outsource without their knowledge. She's also a cartoon character, and Sega themselves & affiliated companies have done similar things with the characters from the naked 15yo chipmunk girl to the upskirting of Amy, same age as Maria, during the Dreamcast to pre-Dark Ages. You're not going to go to jail over that file that's no longer there, and if you're going to throw some labels out at the devs for that (when it wasn't even their fault), I hope you're willing to do the same to the owners of the franchise for doing far worse than an underwear texture you can't even see in the game and have to skulk through the files to find, which honestly makes YOU look like the weirdo. Nevermind that era in time where fans were "at war" over which underage animal girl should bang Sonic, and don't even get me started on the amount of R34 of this franchise.

[@FirstName_LqstName]

@espurrseyes42 My brother in Christ. Do you just not care about anything I actually talked about, or do you just like this specific topic ? I referenced it with _7 words_ i didn't care about Omens drama enough at the time to know more than the biggest talk of the controversy, and i didn't follow it much after. But aye, thanks for calling me weird over something not related to over 1 sentence. Over something I obviously didn't actually want to talk about. We really needed this air in the room to fill. You could've just said, "It's cool actually they're gone now," and then that could've been it, but i guess this fandom really needs to grab at straws and run for miles with them.

[@espurrseyes42]

@@FirstName_LqstName Then you shouldn't have talked about it in the first place, especially when you were ignorant of it. I'm not about to sit here and let you insinuate the devs are pdf files over something they didn't even know about let alone do and eventually removed. No one's going to jail over an underwear texture on a cartoon character you literally couldn't see unless you chose to be a creep and look for it, and Sega and a good chunk of this fandom have done FAR worse to the characters. I really couldn't care less about what you have to say if you're going to drop serious implied accusations (based on ignorance of the situation) like this, then get big baby rage mad when called out for it. You could've just said "Oh, alright. My bad. Didn't know it got removed. I wasn't really following the drama", and that could've been it, but I guess you really need to grasp at straws and run for miles with them.

[@FirstName_LqstName]

@espurrseyes42 "-There's weird files in there delete it-" = Insinuating/implying heavy allegations against people who already fought the allegations Alright, im sorry. I'll be sure to use Twitter logic the next time I wanna leave a comment on the internet. I will research endless moon brain takes and theories, follow all drama, and be sure to never wish to talk about something else completely unrelated ever again. Thank you, oh wise peace master. I'm sure the reputation of people you don't know or can't affect are in serious and safe hands

[@AgachiSanto]

Skill Issue

[@SendoDX]

BLLLLOOOOOOOOCKED

[@vjthehandsome5659]

10:22 Was the word supposed to be provocative?

[@SendoDX]

Probably. Not exactly sure where my brain was going LMAO

[@TheEggPaladin]

Finally. Someone got good tastes 😎👍

[@ThunderTheYellowJolteon]

I give the game a 7.2/10. The story is decent, the level design is 8/10 (The Tails stages are trash and the Tree Palace stage is about as bad. The Sonic and Shadow stages are great though), voice acting is garbage except for Sonic's, Eggman's, Amy's, and Rouge's.

[@Opdudall]

This isn’t sendo ITS AN IMPOSTOR HE WIULD NEVER COMPLIMENT AONIC OMENS

[@marcxworld5708]

Tbh skill issue is a good term if used appropiatly but its bad if said whenever someone complains

[@espurrseyes42]

That's usually the problem though when someone complains about this game. I'm still gonna cite Wolfie, who took like 30 minutes or so to beat Gnarl's level because he doesn't understand the concept of projectiles having travel time, when on my second try I finished the stage in like 4 minutes or so and can pretty easily 1 to 2 cycle him.

[@SendoDX]

ehhh I think there's a difference between someone not trying to interact with the game and it's systems (and calling that out) versus someone just being bad at it. One of those is super valid to critique and the other isn't, and skill issue falls into that latter category. Just not a fan of it.

[@marcxworld5708]

@@SendoDX my comment literaly said what u said

[@espurrseyes42]

@@SendoDX Skill issue is perfectly valid when you can cite examples of the issue. If you told me the plane sucks because the controls are bad, that'd be valid. I'd disagree as someone who had no trouble with the controls after turning camera sensitivity to max, but I can understand why some would have issues with it, and it's pretty unreasonable to expect everyone to change controllers just for those levels. If you then told me Gnarl is a bad boss because of the controls, I'd laugh at you and call you bad. Gnarl's "difficulty" has nothing to do with the controls. It has to do with players NOT flying out of range of its charges, NOT taking notice of the glowing/shaking parts of the ground that signal its charge, NOT making use of the Barrel Roll to get shots on it while still being able to dodge its attacks, and not understanding the concept of Projectile Travel Time in regards to the slower missiles that need to be fired preemptively to hit a mobile target. Gnarl is a joke, and any difficulty with it is nothing but a Skill Issue built on both not using the mechanics of the game (Barrel Roll), and using the rest, namely the missiles, poorly. Most of the complaints people have with the game are like that: Not using all the tools at their disposal, and using the ones they do use poorly with a dash of refusing to try again and improve, the cornerstone of Sonic's gameplay philosophy. I'm sorry if being called bad hurts, but if it true and can be shown as true, then it's a valid complaint. It's not the game's fault that you or anyone else misuses or doesn't use the tools they're given.

[@SendoDX]

@@marcxworld5708Close, but the main distinction is that I never think skill issue is a valid term - if they aren’t interacting with systems, put it into words and explain which systems they aren’t understanding and why. “Skill issue” is massively unhelpful (amongst other issues).

[@whaleping]

Yeah, I don’t care about a Sonic game beyond the story and characters moments. I’m mainly here for how the Sonic product does with the writing and how Sonic beats Eggman’s latest plot. The gameplay, I do not care as much.

[@thelnr2]

Personally i hate SA2's gameplay and only enjoy it for the story and aesthetic. I think sonic games are better of with stories because the characters are so good, they deserve to be allowed to have good writing. obviously gameplay always comes first though.

[@WolvesbaneNetwork]

Sa2 might not be dark but it is cool as **** (cant swear on a kid game video)

[@Chalk_Stuff]

Sooo, instead of it ruining your life, it’s improving your life?

[@SendoDX]

@@Chalk_Stuff my 180 switch up on this game is gonna be crazy, just you wait LMAOO

[@donimight2390]

The plane bossfight should have been a rail shooter in my opinion.

[@SendoDX]

that would've been so heat man

[@Phobia-shadows]

No reeeeeeeeeeeee this game sucks