The 2 Types of Introverted Thinking Explained

✅ Path of Heroes Academy: Holistic self-development through personality type and RPG character creation poha.geekpsycho...
✅ FREE 5-Day INFP Personality Type Tutorial INowFeelPositiv...
✅ FREE 5-Day INFJ Personality Type Tutorial geekpsychology....

[@GeekPsychology]

I wrote an article about this: geekpsychology.substack.com/p/the-2-types-of-introverted-thinking

[@ShadowAndReflection]

Strong Ti user here (by my standards). Absolutely great & informative video.

[@GeekPsychology]

Awesome! Thanks for chiming in.

[@josecarranzah]

INTP (5w4) this is insightful content. I'm on the Holistic side based on your description. Thanks for making this video.

[@josecarranzah]

I wonder if there is a possibility of displaying different tendencies under stress vs regular thriving times. I resonate better with holistic under normal situations; however, under stress, the analytic variant seems more in line with my observed reactions

[@donc9836]

I majored in mathematics (INTP 5w6 here) and i have also encountered the concept called Heuristic algorithm. It is a method where there is actually no quick/direct way to arrive to a definite solution. In this case, you work with the tentative solution that you got and arrive to a better answer. This might require iterations so you set a reasonable condition to stop. Well, I view Calculus and the rest of mathematical fields as 'Analytic' and the heuristic ones as 'Holistic'... Thus I have learned to access both sides as that might be a reasonable compromise. I guess by practice or trial and error, one can determine which type is more effective in a particular situation. Also, holistic Ti does seem like the type of Ti that had incorporated already the second function (most probably Ne). Human society is indeed messy so being Analytic will might not suffice. Ti might be a 'strong' function (thus the arrogance) but it still cannot answer everything in the world.

[@zebesiv]

It wasn't necessarily relevant but the thing you said about being stuck in a place for years was so relatable and I feel like it's something that introverted judging types can identify with the most out of all. For Fi it might be understanding your values and desires wrong, and hence doing the wrong thing for years. For Ti it's looking at something the wrong way and hence building a completely wrong outlook on things and once you realize this you'll have to do it all over from the ground up. Although when the realization hits you it can be so gratifying. For Ti it literally feels like a click, as if things are clicking into place. And once that happens we (including Fi doms) are unstoppable. My ENFP mom (who understands Ti the least of all the types) noted that once I really figure things out I stop at nothing to get what I want, and it's true. I feel like if anything we might get too dependent on things 'falling in place' on their own. If we can take a leaf out of the Ne doms book and be a bit more proactive in making things happen, there's no stopping us.

[@GeekPsychology]

It is a great feeling when everything clicks! I've heard about it within Ti and I have the same experiences with my Fi. When things are all aligned inside, I feel a solidifying "pillar" of sorts inside that makes me feel unstoppable.

[@ThoughtCriminal_1984]

As an INTJ... I actually find it easy to question my analysis continually. It continually helps you shapen your skills, it isn't daunting in the slightest knowing your paradigm can be changed in an instant because it often is.... what you realise though in that moment is the paradigm shift carries alot of knowledge and ideas along as if it were building blocks or thr foundation for the next level. Great content, by the way. 🙏

[@GeekPsychology]

That's a very helpful and healthy perspective that I think most people would struggle with. Being comfortable with how things are rather than challenging them to grow...

[@vjbanana5825]

INFP here ❤, 5:30 I know and understand that Ti is way below our stack but I want to share how I am able to access it, hopefully it helps. I have a personal feeling of wanting all things to be balanced, and I am exploring ways to try, but when I found about your POHA with all its tips on how to develop the cognitive functions then I gave it a go. Ti has been in the unconscious side so I consciously bring it out with Fi-Si-Ti (playing games for comfort, in this case sudoku and puzzle games). Over time as I develop this familiarity of using Ti, I usually partner it up with Si (the things that I know and learned) to analyze the things that I do like writing, math, even gaming. Even writing this message is even brought by the Fi-Si-Ti trio lol. I hope this helps ❤

[@GeekPsychology]

Puzzles are great. Though it depends on them how quickly I exhaust my interest. I’ll look for ways to combine activities with Si

[@westcoastswingmusic]

Thanks, Matt! I'm the first one, the hard-core analytical Ti user 1st with Ne 2nd. As a female, I typed myself INFP from 1989 to 1999. I was typed by 2 MBTI certified practitioners as ENTP after 90 minutes of deliberation between that and INTP. You did an excellent job covering Ti. One key distinction I'd like to share is that it seemed incongruous with my experience when you used the word "hate." That strikes me as an Fi sentiment. I don't get emotional at all about what is correct and incorrect. Additionally, it's not only that I am impervious to popular opinion, I also do not consider anyone to be a higher authority on a subject unless they demonstrate their understanding of that component of the system is superior to mine. The system is mine, but most of the parts of the puzzle have been gathered from hundreds of other experts with my Ne. Lastly, it is incorrect that we are defensive about our knowledge database on a topic. I am updating elements of my understanding many times a day from hours of research. I'm not clinging to any conclusion. Prove me wrong, and I will change my mind on a dime. My identity is never dependent or aligned to my current conclusion on any topic. My identity is my responsibility to understanding everything I want to know correctly and completely and conveying those ideas clearly. Ultimately, you're awesome and everything you shared was 97% or so on point. Thanks so much for sharing your research because typology has been one of my hobbies for 35 years. I've been a fan of your content for years.

[@westcoastswingmusic]

P.S. Case in point, the MBTI experts typed me ENTP after 90 minutes of going back and forth, yet I maintain I'm an INTP as originally determined at an MBTI workshop in 1999. Yet I have no resistance to others seeing me differently, and I concede that I might be wrong because my Ne can see other possibilities. I have no emotional attachment to my type. I called myself an ENTP for about a year after that, but based on the 512 Types quiz and other reasons, I self identity as INTP now irrespective of the experts. 😅

[@llawliet6484]

I just realized I am Holistic Ti! I was wondering why I don't fit the natural description of nerdy Ti, which usually very knowledgeable of their expertise, and very confident and firm with their beliefs and understanding. While I mostly know little bit of this and that, and much more open to others' ideas and theory. Thank you for clarifying. This might be my life changer. -ESTP

[@Cuspofrevolution]

Really needed this one. Went down the rabbit hole for 2 days, the darkest one ive had. Only come back this morning. Rage and hatred particularly of myself is destructive and negative. Its been a brewing storm for a while. I have bpd also which may have exasperated the downspiral. But after much introspection and rest and writing down and reflecting i feel more like me again 😊 one must go down in order to get back up. The constant struggles for this infp anyway ...its destructive yet oddly refreshing like rising phoenix or something though i do have to try to be kinder to myself and less critical which i didnt even know had crept up on me again for some time.

[@jasonwilkerson9497]

I'm an INFP, 9w1, and I'm a 6th grade math teacher. I also teach a section of English, which was my major in college. I've done it for the last 10 years. This is my 21st year of teaching. I think I have been able to teach math because it's easy enough to teach, and my Si has made it a boring routine. My Si is exhausted. I'm leaving teaching after this school year due to a bittersweet opportunity. I'm glad. I'm looking towards teaching the ukulele as a business. Creating community is a big part of it. The Ne ability to want to do something, to want to build something that brings joy to others. Doing it on my own terms is everything. I have respect for math, but I'm not sure if I could truly love it. My Fi needs an emotional connection as you mentioned. My oldest son is an INTP, 5w4. He's studying musical production. Last night we had an amazing convo. I told him how cool it is to be intuitive and logical. Perfect balance for production because you're detached enough from the emotional connection to stimulate emotion from sticking to the structure and adding/subtracting layers. Someone like Morrissey, INFP, E 4, would have a motif, but would need the producer to incorporate it into the structure. Interesting stuff. Great topic. Thank you, Matt. This was very inspirational and helpful. It confirms my need for change and novelty. 🙏🏼

[@woodykusaki9970]

Thanks Matt. Youre a chad. INTP here and I can relate to all of these indeed. I had Yin Ti until recently when people took advantage of my open-mindedness so I became more absolute with my frameworks. At a time, I called myself a logic justice warrior. Although I'm now striking a balance with the 2. Be open-minded and always listen to what other people have to say. If it's clear they're just BSing then that's the time I correct them. Or not if we're not that close.

[@GeekPsychology]

I don’t think we just change which our brain wiring and psyche has decided on. But maybe we find ways to compensate?

[@GeekPsychology]

Also, idk what a chad is

[@woodykusaki9970]

@@GeekPsychology A chad is a gen z term and I don't think the popular definition describes you. My nephews use it to mean someone is awesome. Oh and is that so. Yeah I guess I'm a Yin Ti. Perhaps the Yang one just came out because of circumstances. Thanks for clarifying that sir.

[@TheRisingSun3418]

Well, first of all, this "holistic" version on Ti sounds incredibly similar to just run of the mill Ne. How would you even go about differentiating between the two? If you can't, then how could you ever know which one you're using and, as an end result, what type you actually are. That said, I find that yang Ti is more powerful for me. Although I often keep that sort of information to myself. The only exceptions are generally when I know that an idea or opinion is harmful. Like the post you did a couple of months ago about positive thinking. Sure, on the surface, it seems like a reasonable approach. However, trying to force a certain way of thinking can have the reverse effect in many, many cases. People may find themselves feeling like they've failed when they can't find a positive thought to hold onto. Or even worse, they may even begin to believe that they don't truly deserve to feel or be positive. Or even more so, they may even condemn themselves after repeated failures to maintain this positive mindset. That's why I stress the idea of simply embracing your thoughts as they are. Don't label them as positive or negative. They just are, and if you do that, they will fade just as quickly as the morning fog. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about a medical condition like depression. I'm simply talking about just regular thoughts that occur on a normal basis.

[@overide189]

Holistic Ti, I think, but I have been raised by an INTJ. So, I have learned how to be as cold/analytical/structured as might be needed to see past my feelings to my goal. It is very useful. However, you have to take the time to untangle/map the models. I have been at it for 20+ years. There is a model for self. One for society. One for family. Etc. Your mind is a partially explored wilderness. You have to map it to properly exploit it. You might try to organize the models into a introverted/extroverted tree. The roots are your introverted/self & family models. Deep and resilient. The trunk is your Socializing/communication models. The limbs are your extroverted social intuition/analysis models. The leaves are the temporary models created in the moment of contemplating with an individual person or concept, which can be dropped if deemed not useful. My model makes use of both the rigid and the flexible. To the benefit of both, now that I think about it. Math is possible, but inefficient. Essentially, it is like trying to do math in Photoshop. While technically possible, it requires a lot of set up, and I have a calculator in my pocket. I dislike lucid dreaming, as I tend to move at the speed of thought, which is very jarring. It is like being forced to auto-click the first link your eyes land on while on Wikipedia.

[@00Klingon]

The more we learn, the more we understand how much more we don't know. Improvement requires humility because our existence is finite. As an INTP, it can be difficult to understand that logic without context is meaningless. I can have a perfect model, but what good is it if I cannot put it into context for others to understand? For this I must dip into my shadow and access Fi-Te which provides subjective context for what matters most. Some extra thoughts: 1. When 2 people of the same personality meet, one will tend to dip into shadow to help facilitate the conversation and avoid competitive conflict. For two INTP, one will take on the authoritative ENTJ role and act more analytical, the other will behave more holistically. This I think is what was being described between Kearsey and Barens. People tend to develop a preference in early childhood but can also learn to switch later. 2. If we fail to develop our parent function (slot 2), we all tend to fall back on our trickster (7th) which often causes us difficulty in life. For INTP and INFP, failure to expand horizons and make new Si experiences to understand Ne possibilities will result in embarrassing Se mistakes that can harm our inferior function (4th slot) - Fe and Te respectively. Offending others and reduce our status in their eyes.

[@whitneygerbode3362]

I'm istp but I kept getting intj. It took me awhile to get what my authentic self might be. I was told I need mental health support but I think my bad health just affects me more than other people. Having an injury is like cancer. I was born like that. I feel less rude than I really am. I've been feeling more justified than my character allows.

[@Cuspofrevolution]

Haha. When you said about not doing good at math i had to smile. I was like i knew it. Im still learning about typology and i have been drastically bad at maths even till this day. I used to get yelled at and did extra classes and it still didnt work. Once i learned about infp personality i googled famous infp or fictional infps and Willow from Buffy one of my favs is typed an infp but she is excellent at math...i went hang on a second lmao 😊

[@HM_00702]

INTP video idea: How to develop Fe as an INTP?

[@PlatinumSpartan077]

Second 🥈

[@ryanatkinson9622]

How can you tell if you are using the analytical or hollistic version of each function?

[@ashercorbett8089]

Would you say Se Ti users are more prone to yang Ti, and Ne Ti users are prone to holistic Ti?

[@GeekPsychology]

From my understanding, there’s no correlation. It definitely feels that way though based on the definitions of cognitive functions that we’ve all come to know.

[@ashercorbett8089]

@ interesting. I’d say I’m a harmonizing ENTP previously mistyped as ENFP

[@whitneygerbode3362]

Hello

[@Natureisbeautiful-xm4zw]

yay i am the first

[@woodykusaki9970]

I would've been first if I wasn't working...

[@GeeTallen]

I'm an INTP specifically creative type with the functional stack -Ti-Ne- focus.

[@GeeTallen]

For that reason, I'm pretty good well at math 😙🤞