A Deep Dive into the ACTUAL Code of the Sith Order

[@TheTeutonicPlague]

The cake is a lie. There are only cookies. Through cookies, I gain sugar. Through sugar, I gain carbohydrates. Through carbohydrates, I gain weight. Through weight, my belt is broken. The fat shall free me. -Darth Baras the Wide

[@joesalyers]

Dark side Diabetes?

[@agreen778]

You will be baked, and then there will be cake.

[@SurnaturalM]

Darth Diabetus the heavy.

[@joesalyers]

@@SurnaturalM HAHAHAHA!!!

[@scouttrooper113play7]

Darth CaseOh...

[@inductivegrunt94]

Thank you for instructing us in the truth of the Sith Code. You would make a great instructor for acolytes at the Sith Academy on Korriban. All us here are your acolytes, and you just showed us the way to be a true Sith.

[@robland3253]

(Sneakily) let us plot against him I promise not to stab you in the back once victory is certain

[@anymaru]

-Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. -Through passion, I gain Strength. -Through strength, I gain Power. -Through power, I gain Victory. -Through victory, my chains are broken

[@midgetydeath]

-The Force shall set me free.

[@Crackmiser]

Malgus was a true Sith, Bane was a true Sith. Few beings actually involved in the sith line truly understood the darkside and the nature of conflict.

[@khankorpofficial]

Not Bane

[@88Spint]

I love how practical the Sith code is and how useful it is irl. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Because peace brings stagnation and passion is the only thing that drives us forward. If you ware at peace you care little to bettering your surroundings and yourself. But Passion is all about bettering yourself and your surroundings. Be better! Find your passion and get off your lazy ass and work towards what you want! Through Passion, I find Strength! Through my desire I shall gain what I need to obtain it. Basically I use my passion to learn/train/practice for my desires and while doing so I will not only gain physically what I need but I also gain knowledge of my desires. How to get it, who to know, what to have, why everything is the way it is. Strength is the ability to achieve your desires. Through Strength, I find POWER! The power to move towards my desires. The power to change things. The power to act, and with it the confidence that only comes from strength of will, knowledge and body. But also the political power of people that surrounds it, their respect and influence. All the means needed to achieve my desires are now in the grasp of my hand, all I need to do is actually use it. Through power, I find Victory! You did it! You gained what you wanted! You have achieved it all! Use your power to go the final step! Don't cover, don't hide! MOVE FORWARDS! The whole code is built around actually achieving what you want to. Not to maybe possibly do so, but to actually to it! Through Victory, my chains are broken! You will now see just how far you have come, and ever step empowers your future ones. The greater your passion the deeper your strength and the wider your power! Victory is never the end! It frees you to do more, so much more. In any field too! And so do those around you. They know what you have achieved. They know you are to be trusted, that you know what you are talking about and what you are capable of. This opens doors you never knew existed for you. The Force shall set you free. As long as you follow the path in it's entirety, you will succeed. Believe in the process. Make your own path, for it is inevitable that you shall reach it's end. A very practical way of breeding competence. I love it as it is applicable to everything in life, no matter how big or small your passion may be. I also like how no step is defined. So it applies to everything. Basically if you want something go get it! Can't, figure it out! Then go get it! The more unobtainable the more valuable the journey to get it is, but gaining it is just as important as the journey. As is what to do after gaining it. Soo good! But easily soo Evil! A code that can be corrupted to any end but also further any goal. It fits the Sith and the Empire so damn well!

[@88Spint]

Also, the Siths interpretation of the code is all about emotion and use of the force. With passion being a symbol for strong emotion, strength being how much of the force you can use, power being what you can to with it and victory being what you are able to achieve with that power. But the only emotion the code stats is passion. The rest is just how they themselves see it. They made it a tool for war, pain, suffering and revenge. How awesome of a writing tool is this!? It's so goooood! :D

[@88Spint]

@@robertenleed-q3r Ah you are skipping steps. Acting on impilse rather then passion, all for momentary victory but look, you are still chained down. Instead I would suggest you read up on what boat is the best for you, passion, how much it cost and how long it would take you to get that money with your current income, strength. Then find out how you can get closer to your goal while also engaging in the community of boats, new job or supplementary activities. Power. Until you can afford it or manage to get one through some deal earning you victory. This would break your chains as you not only achived what you set out to achive, getting a boat. But you also gained significant insight into working with and around boats while also knowing a great deal of people within the industry. You are free as you are not held down but rather lifted up by all you have done, learned and the people you now know. :) there is no cheating in the code of the sith. Now have a cookie! ;)

[@marshalllatta2073]

The sith really need to be in the big screen We know now so much about the Jedi we really need to know more about the sith they are so cool and interesting

[@davidordaz5251]

Yeah same needs to be a series on the sith in general

[@ImperialEmbers]

​@@davidordaz5251 The Acolyte is our best bet.

[@snakeoo7ca]

​@@davidordaz5251kylo ren, amirite?

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

They're on the big screen in all six movies

[@DarthNox66]

​@@TheMinskyTerrorist Really? And how much time they were on these movies?😅

[@bizmasterTheSlav]

So it turns out that Sidious ignored and even mocked the Sith code in many ways.

[@floricel_112]

Many sith are nothing more if not hypocrites

[@OMEGATHENIETZCHIAN]

The thing about passion is it isn't violence or destruction. Artists have passion. The sith are fundamentally existentialists. The only reason they're conquerors is because a sith ballet dancer wouldn't make a very interesting antagonist.

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

No, they're just evil

[@midgetydeath]

@@TheMinskyTerrorist After Vitiate sank his claws into them, yeah. At that point they lost all complexity. But hey, the writers had to come up with some explanation for why they became what they did since those before them made the Sith of the Great Hyperspace War era and before much more multi-faceted than the later Sith we know of.

[@giggidygoblin]

​@@TheMinskyTerroristSo boring.. Everything isn't just black and white.

[@axelbrackeniers5488]

@@TheMinskyTerroristSith arent inherently evil, they are all about raw emotions and passion. Just take a look at how Anakin turned, he turned to the darkside because of the raw emotions and passion he had for the people he loved. He genuinely thought he could bring peace to the galaxy by killing all the bad guys all while he was trying to save Padme and have obi-wan by his side. Star wars isnt as black and white as you think. Its palpatines manipulation and the jedi’s ignorance that turned anakin “evil”. His intentions were a bit flawed, but genuine. Were the slave traders on Tatooine evil? Were the sand people evil? Are the Jedi evil for stealing children and training them to become space monks that forgo ALL emotions? The Jedi’s are barely allowed to love anyone, the absence of love can turn people into really bad individuals. In star wars lore you have some really flawed but passionate and pretty normal Sith that just want to be left alone. But you also have some self-righteous Jedi’s that probably killed more innocent people than most just because they viewed them as evil. Life is never black and white, this whole debate is political so i’ll grab a real life example. Would you call Hamas evil? Would you call Israel evil? Wh is right and who is wrong? Dont they both have flawed but somewhat valid reason to fight?

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

@@axelbrackeniers5488 I don't have time to write about it in detail but all the stuff you said was wrong

[@enoughothis]

The Jedi submit themselves to a greater power and thus are freed from doubt and uncertainty. The Sith seek freedom to impose their will upon the galaxy and by this are enslaved to their own vices and to the Dark Side of the Force.

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

The Force, which the Jedi embrace, is more representative of connecting with your fellow person in a community rather than submitting to the will of something divine. All life is a community. The Sith seek to dominate that and become gods in both terms of their will and dominion over those they deem beneath them.

[@enoughothis]

@@teleportedbreadfor3days, I never said the Force was a deity nor do the Jedi believe that, but it IS a purpose greater than an individual.

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

@@enoughothis I never said you did, either. I’m just saying and adding my input

[@enoughothis]

@@teleportedbreadfor3days, fair enough. Carry on

[@enoughothis]

@@teleportedbreadfor3days, the Sith seeking to become gods was well stated. Since they truly believe they are the superior lifeform.

[@lerneanlion]

The Sith Lords: We will keep moving forward until all of our enemies are destroyed.

[@ariesstorm9577]

I feel like the Sith code works better for the individual, for one who wants to do better and become the best version of themselves. This perfectly aligns with the Sith’s sense of self, which isn’t always a bad thing. Doing good for others is all well and good, but it can be detrimental to your own progress. Why waste your life for the sake of others who would likely not do the same for you? Also, how can you hope to help others if you are unable to even help yourself? I also think the Sith code is more useful for improving mental health. There is nothing more crippling than depression and the Sith code may be the better option for finding the drive to push through if not overcome depression. The Jedi code feels like it is submitting to it, to accept it and let it rule over you. Don’t get me wrong I’m all about the peaceful life. Peace, harmony , serenity are all good things that I like, but for my mental health I find the Sith code is simply better. Ever had those days where you just don’t have the get up and go and all you want to do is waste the day away laying in bed or on the sofa? That’s where the Sith code comes in handy, recite it and let it drive you to get up and be productive. Because if there’s one thing depression hates, it’s productivity. Even if you only walk to the nearest shop and back, or even the end of your street, you have a dealt a devastating blow to your depression, all thanks to the tenets of the Sith code. And when you’re feeling refreshed that’s where the Jedi code comes in: the depression has been put in its place and your mind is at a healthy place, use the Jedi code to help keep that mental stability for the rest of the day. But first use the Sith code and break those chains of depression that keep you shackled! Also the Sith code itself is not evil, nowhere does it say to commit atrocities or acts of evil, they are things that come from the individual self. Sith culture and customs are responsible for that, not the code itself. I firmly believe that one can live life as a pacifist and still follow the Sith code. Passion, strength, power. These are internal things. Strength doesn’t have to mean the muscles on your arms, it can mean mental strength. The same goes for power.

[@krishaddock9911]

Star wars fans might claim me is a heretic but I think we need to use both pull codes like yin and yang you learn the Jedis version of the code first to help control your emotions but you got to remember when you have friends and family that are in danger and you have a chance to protect them is the fear and the love for them your emotions that make you want to stand up and fight I mean if he didn't care about the person you wouldn't want to risk your eye for him or her but then there's certain times like when you're at work and a co-workers piss you off or something that's when you got to learn to control your anger and your emotions Peace and let the force be with you always

[@Q400Flight]

This is possible in our universe but impossible in the Star Wars universe because of the existence of the force. The dark side of the force is corrupting in nature and once you start giving into your emotions by indulging in your passions, fear, anger etc it consumes you until you become an agent of evil.

[@drkushajagadeesh6347]

I love how Bane is the deciding vote on what is a true Sith and what is not 😂 Dude's my favorite sith lord ever! 😬

[@Alizudo]

Always enjoy Sith content

[@ExplosiveFloofBall]

I like the idea of a sith who seeks freedom not for themselves but others, more an "Our chains are broken." than a "My chains are broken."

[@silverchairsg]

That is not the Sith way.

[@RigbyWilde]

Actually this leads to something even worse than sith: Communism

[@floricel_112]

This is why I ironically liked Baras's version of the code (even though his actions couldn't be farther away from it) because of the added undertone of togetherness that the sith should be a unified force, because only together could they crush the jedi and the republic once and for all. We, the sith, gain power. We, the sith, gain victory. And through victory, OUR, THE SITH'S, chains are broken. The force shall set US, THE SITH, FREE

[@sayhitothelittlegonk1310]

Darth Marr had this kind of idea for the Sith Empire

[@MommyKhaos]

TBF no matter how tempting it is whenever I play as a sith in SWTOR, I always go out of my way to free slaves and befriend the common soldier. On one hand, you can simply interpret it as a sith seeing an easy way to gain power and influence to kill or overthrow those above them. But in the other it's because the sith code really feels like it resonates with those beneath the galactic society's feet. The Jedi, time and time again, end up just servicing the upper echelon of republic society, always making excuses for why they allow horrific crimes to continue. Personally it's why I think both Anakin and Ahsoka became disillusioned with both the Jedi and the Republic, because slavery was everywhere. The Jedi order could have easily purged the galaxy of slavery, but became scared that it would upset the balance of galactic economy and society. Slavery and poverty breed feelings of hatred, of feeling chained down, of defeat. All things that the sith code pushes you to destroy.

[@darth_dan8886]

With just how misrepresented Sith teachings were on this channel previously, this is a surprisingly accurate reading and analysis. Thank you for that.

[@Ben-Ken]

The Sith were all about winning by any means, even deceit. They wouldn't consider it a hollow victory. It is a core part of their way of life.

[@МаксимНиколаев-ч9э]

So, what is "strength" then? Is it physical strength, mental or emotional? Can you be strong in one area and dominate those, who are not - or are you obliged to be strong in all areas? If it's the latter, then can we call sith, who kill their masters through lies and deceit truly strong? Or are they just lucky weaklings who cannot confront issues head-on and crumble when they can't use underhanded methods to cheat their way to victory?

[@Ben-Ken]

@@МаксимНиколаев-ч9э Lies and deceit are in the same strength toolbox. Enemies that you can easily trick are beneath you. This is why Palpatine can sit among Jedi masters with smug satisfaction, knowing that they can't detect him. It's also why the Sith academy on Korriban had no rules against cheating but those sloppy enough to get caught were punished.

[@theevildrummingsithlord1492]

@@Ben-Ken I also think that the line about strength has another purpose, although probably unintended - it's going to fool many Sith into thinking that they should rely on pure physical strength and approach every problem with a sledgehammer. It's one way to succeed,, but it's still extremely risky and will mostly result in failure.

[@alkirk-ws4co]

@@МаксимНиколаев-ч9э The Strength of the Sith is the Strength not Only to survive, but to bend existence (The Force), to your will.

[@alkirk-ws4co]

@@theevildrummingsithlord1492 The best way to achieve victory against one's enemies, is to manipulate them into destroying themselves.

[@BasementPepperoni]

I still remember the first time I ever saw the Sith Code in an X-Box magazine, it was an ad for the first KOTOR. That was just over 20 years ago and I still remember it, I was SO stoked to play that game after I saw that, lol.

[@eagle6702]

Breaking the chains could be seen as a metaphor for restrictions that we often put on ourselves or others do to us. At the same time one needs to temper and harness their emotions. I can't imagine why some jedi would adapt aspects of both.

[@romancapulus5577]

“Freedom wasn’t about being the baddest Bith in the galaxy.” Goddammit 🤭

[@oddmanout8692]

Wouldnt that make Palpatines deceitful victory as Emperor as hollow?

[@GarrestheWarrior]

By traditional Sith philosophy, yes. Sidious was an extra selfish prick though, so he twisted the Rule of Two into the Rule of One. Sidious craved power and victory, even at the cost of Sith philosophy. No apprentice he'd take was ever meant to one day replace him, unlike the Sith lords who came before him since Darth Bane. That's why he never taught any of his apprentices everything he knew. Maul, Tyranus, and Vader were promised power but were never actually gonna get it.

[@oddmanout8692]

@@GarrestheWarrior Exactly.

[@floricel_112]

​@@GarrestheWarriornot to mention, he didn't prove the dark side superior, but rather his political machinations. It was less a victory for the sith, the dark side and what they believe, but more a victory for himself than anything

[@christophergardiner5351]

I think it is worth noting that arguably, Darth Bane took the Sith code to another level. Those that came before saw the code as if it were a set of tenets to live by. As only virtues that one should apply to themselves as individuals. Darth Bane saw it as rules of the universe, and thus applied them not only to himself, but the rest of the galaxy, mostly through tactics and strategy. For example, the first line of the code, "peace is a lie," he applied by giving it to the jedi. He wiped out all sith but himself, making them believe that peace had been achieved, and thus left their guard down and allowed the Sith to eventually conquer the galaxy. The great peace of a thousand years was a lie.

[@floricel_112]

And let me guess, it was the passion of the sith to come that let them gain strenght and amass power for the victory that is to come

[@loganwatts1607]

I wanna believe that when ancient astrologers look back at us and see both the Jedi and sith codes they would think we had 2 human factions that fought religious wars.

[@nickkamp9695]

I am reading the Darth Bane trilogy right now. Its so friking good. I want it to be a show but i doubt it would hold up.

[@desperado8605]

There must be both dark and light. I will do what I must to keep the balance, as the balance is what holds all life. There is no good without evil, but evil must not be allowed to flourish. There is passion, yet peace; serenity, yet emotion; chaos, yet order.

[@janinejohnstone468]

Hey, does that make you a grey Jedi - or a grey Sith?

[@ZontarDow]

In the real world the Sith have the better philosophy, within the metaphysics of the Star Wars universe the Jedi have the better one.

[@tipodeincognito5660]

In the real world, even the worst regimes need some sort of loyalty to function. To a god, to a leader, to communism, wathever. The sith are too egotistical and power hungry even for that. Without an extremely powerful leader to fear, like Vitiate and Krayt, ist endless backstabbing.

[@ZontarDow]

@@bernardoayres1139 Let me guess, Baptist?

[@ZontarDow]

@@bernardoayres1139 Meh, if it's some Protestant nonsense that's close enough.

[@Gena-Pukin]

No

[@tipodeincognito5660]

Psycopaths dont get much of an advantage, unless they are very good at hiding it. When people realize what they are, they generate distrust and make themselves a ton of enemies. Even criminals need to inspire loyalty in some way for some of their followers for their organizations to be effective.

[@greatazuredragon]

Peace is a lie, there is only passion!

[@namelesssomebody2557]

Through passion, I gain Strength

[@hellboundchaoscommand7567]

@@namelesssomebody2557 through strength I gain power

[@floricel_112]

​@@hellboundchaoscommand7567through power, we gain victory

[@hellboundchaoscommand7567]

@@floricel_112 through victory my chains are broken and the force shall free me

[@GGBlaster]

The Jedi controlled their emotions in order to allow the Force to control them. The Sith allowed their emotions to control them in order to control the Force.

[@khankorpofficial]

Massive basterdized understanding of sith passion

[@vikingsword3485]

What had the force done to deserve such devotion? Find your own passion and make it reality

[@Akaijin_]

So... The Sith want to be Elden Lord...

[@jamestipton3342]

With the exception of Palpatine most of the Sith seem to be following their Code to the letter. The Jedi get a little too hypocritical especially Yoda, when you think about it.

[@aster4jaden]

I love the Sith, they are my favourite part of Star Wars. Star Wars Canon introduced a Sith Lord called Darth Momin and he worships the Dark Side of the Force like it is a Deity, I think this is a cool take on a Sith Lord and i'd love to see a Sith Cult that worships the Dark Side of the Force.

[@theblondesiouxsiesioux]

The sorcers of rand were kinda like that. Anyway the Sith are the only part of star wars I care about lolz.

[@anymaru]

That was an awesome book! And I don't particularly like reading

[@robertenleed-q3r]

There are no movies about the SITH and only from the SITH point of view! Shame! they would be possibly good movies! Hollyweird is missing out this possibility!

[@paulmetzgar2604]

The freedom that the Sith gain is and always shall be an illusion. While they may free themselves from the control of others, they will make themselves slaves to their own passions. This makes the Sith subject to the corrupting influence of their own dark emotions. Because of this, they will never truly have peace. It is hard to be at peace when you let your own anger, pain, and hate run free. If you don't let it go, it will consume you and turn you into something you cannot recognize.

[@tarot.card.std.diagnosis]

The Sith do not want to be at peace. Its not their goal so cristising their philosophy based on them not being peaceful doesnt make sence. About being a slave to your passions, that would only make sence if there was a strong dualism beetwen yourself and your passions. Like an eternal soul and your sinful fallen nature. I dont belive that such a divide exists. What you are **is** your passions, or your natural, animalistic drives

[@TheWayoftheSith]

Freedom either way is the cornerstone of Sith philosophy, and through personal achievement you can find one way to pursue liberation. This, to me the most important Sith values would be as thus. Liberation, self centeredness, determination, a commitment to your individual values and ambitions, passion, and self mastery. We currently live in an age where people are often indifferent and cynical, so I think that Sith teachings would show them that they can ultimately live for themselves. Survival has its basis in the vision and Sith values that we prefer above all others, more of these values can be said to be; the inner control, common will, self-discipline, warrior mentality, absolute individualism, independence, vitality, and perseverance. The point of Sith values is to create an individual that has the abilities or power to pursue what they like and survive in any environment. Our vision for a better future and world order is centered around the appeal to strength, power, and knowledge, as well as to all Sith along with victory. Since victory can be shared by all diligent and cunning individuals who work just as hard and do as good of a job on their self-development, we would say our vision is about making the world more suited for all by our aggregate actions towards order which makes it possible for the strongest/best as well as ambitious and victorious to gain freedom and gain perfection in all ways, to master oneself physically, mentally, spiritually, emotionally and financially.

[@GamesGalore481]

This is a very interesting video. If I may chime in, disagree in order to start respectful discussion though: This idea that the Dark Side is wholly corrupting and something that exists outside of the "True Force" is a product of Jedi philosophy. According to Chirrut Îmwe from Rogue One, "The Force darkly surrounds those who are about to kill." If this is to be believed, This means that any animal that consumes matter to survive is technically in tune with the dark side. A rabbit doesn't flout the ][natural order the way this video describes those using the dark side do by killing and eating grass, and a wolf also doesn't flout the natural order of the force when it kills and eats the rabbit. The dark side is just as much a part of the force as the light side. So, while claiming it is sentient is true, claiming that it wants to corrupt people to flout the natural order seems incorrect, because the dark side is still part of the force, part of the natural order. The dark side merely gives you the option to do so if you wish, though it likely doesn't explicitly encourage it. This is all to say that the dark side is something less like an addictive drug like cocaine or nicotine, and instead functions more like alcohol, in that it makes you more reckless/bolder with your decisions. The dark side doesn't seek to corrupt, the same as alcohol doesn't seek to make people abusive. That is just the nature of people. Alcohol doesn't seek to make someone braver or make them happy, either, and neither does the dark side. It is important to remember that the Sith doctrine is diametrically opposed to the Jedi Code. The Jedi code doesn't personify the Light side though, and similarly, the Sith Code doesn't personify the Dark Side, and I think we could stand to treat the codes of jedi and Sith as separate from the light and dark sides of the force. What they ultimately reflect is someone's interpretation of that side, and enough people found it agreeable that it stuck around. The Sith code is ultimately Similar to the Jedi code in a way I am kind of sad didn't get mentioned in this video. Both the Jedi and Sith codes deal with freedom. There is a John Green quote from his U.S. history series that I think summarizes the difference between the Jedi and Sith codes perfectly. It was something along the lines of, "It wasn't so much about the freedom to drink booze, it was freedom from the temptation to drink booze." The Jedi code was all about surrendering to the will of the force and letting the force guide you instead of yourself. The Sith Code was all about freedom to do what you wanted, regardless of the Force's actual wants. To recontextualize the John Green quote, "It wasn't so much about the freedom to [do what you want,] it was freedom from the temptation to [do what you want.]" The Dark side, wants people to surrender to its will, the same as the light side wants people to surrender to its will, so claiming that the Sith code represents the dark side, when the dark side theoretically wants the opposite seems like a pretty direct contradiction. The Jedi code offers freedom from a guilty conscience, and the Sith code offers freedom from consequences, which is the real reason why so many Sith seek immortality. It isn't to flout the natural order in the name of the dark side, it is to flout the natural order against the dark side, using the Sith code as justification. The Jedi do much the same, but I left a similarly huge rant on your community post about it already, so I won't go too far into it. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[@Yaddyyadda]

I think they're two sides of the same coin, the mirror and its reflection. There is no death, only the force. There is no light side, only the force. There is no dark side, only the force. The dichotomy of the orders is yet another illusion of separation of the force to meditate through. The force itself is non-dual. So each interpretation of it is veritably infinite, and valid as an aspect of the force. For the force flows through all things, and all things are one in the force.

[@Nenshokaze]

Have you thought of what would happen if the Force, Jedi, and Sith all just disappeared from the Star Wars galaxy/universe but a few of every species remained? As if some new system replaced the Force. Something similar to our own universe’s laws of physics and such but maybe slightly different.

[@leiferikson850]

Kreia's dream. And also unintentionally achieved by the Yuuzhan Vong to some degree: They themselves life perfectly normal without it so its possible, and their bodies work regulary within the physical realm so its not like the other physical forces depend on it - at least thats what to concluded from their example.

[@Nenshokaze]

@@leiferikson850 Yeah. The Force in their galaxy rejected them if it even existed there. But they kind of became twisted due to war with the mechanical species that ripped their galaxy apart. Also some think if Kreia achieved her goal all life would die but I disagree with those people. A few would survive. Especially those with little to no force sensitivity.

[@anymaru]

All the conflict and destruction might stop.

[@Nenshokaze]

@@anymaru Maybe but if our world and other Sci-Fi or Science Fantasy franchises are anything to go by then again maybe not.

[@anymaru]

@@Nenshokaze Balance. The way I see it, the Star Wars universe is unbalanced because the light and dark side are fighting each other. To find balance would be greyside, And I know a lot of people fucking hate greyside.

[@Scarran]

I never understood the Sith Code to mean reckless emotion without thought or even patience. Many of the interpretations of the Code would only produce short lived rage monsters that would burn out quickly. There is no true power or even freedom if you are unable to master yourself. There is also nothing inherently evil in the Sith Code.

[@foxtrot-gamesandwit4475]

Yay! Time to worship Evil with the Sith!

[@robertenleed-q3r]

Darth Hollywood where wood is more precious than lightsabers lol

[@slicerneons3300]

I guess Jenkins of the Lok Remnants was a Sith Lord then. That guy truly is the Baddest Bith I know of.

[@TheLeftCollectiveTLC-sb9zf]

“I'm a Bad Bith, yeah I know”

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

What makes the Sith the biggest threat in the universe is something they might not outright say, but for all intents and purposes, their ultimate goal is essentially to becomes gods. They never stop trying to achieve this goal, believing it is within their reach through the perversion of the Force via the use of the Dark Side. If the Force bows to the individual, specifically the Sith, who intend to enslave it to heed to such, they could shape life however they see fit and choose who is worthy of power or who isn’t. There will be no limit to what they can and will do.

[@leiferikson850]

And thats why they fail from an in-universe perspective. The force will not kneel, it allows, maybe just endures a pseudo-master-salve relationship (Think of Kotor 2' Sith - Impossibly powerful in their own way but also bound, dependend and shackled by the force through their feats) but after a certain threshold has been reached it will fight back and plot to destroy them. Best example is Anakin being created by the force to cleanse it of Palpatine and Plageuis corrupting influence over it - with their lifes... (Source: Darth Palgeuis novel)

[@DarthNox66]

​@@leiferikson850 Correction: Force didn't created Anakin, because Plaegus and Palps existance but that they were messing with midichlorians

[@DarthNox66]

Bro, they didn't want to be a gods, just as powerful as it is possible

[@leiferikson850]

@@DarthNox66 hence I wrote "corrupting influence" I could have worded it a bit clearer. Question: "Bro, they didn't want to be a gods, just as powerful as it is possible" What is the difference between being a god and being all powerful? I might guess relationship with the rest of the universe (Remaining in Solitude vs demanding worship)

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

@@DarthNox66 The Dark Side corrupts life, breeds the unnatural. Some are born more sensitive to the Force than others. If the Force bows to the will of the individual, there would be no limit to what somebody can will. They could disconnect somebody from the Force altogether, stir and manipulate midichlorians, perhaps even grant power or absorb it. They could strengthen connections, tap into abilities once beyond the reach of so many. There is literally no limit to what they could will. Doesn’t that sound like a god? With the Dark Side at their beckon and the Force bending to the Sith, they can create their own version of life. Dark plants or shadowy creatures, or corrupt what life already exists into something else. The Dark Side of the Force is already corrosive and corruptive of life and its surroundings. The unnatural can become commonplace.

[@Overlord367]

Sooooo ya i am a SIth and agree with it completely.nature isn’t harmony and i agree peace is indeed a lie. 11:18

[@Dantemo.-pl8mc]

wait! who's the new narrator?

[@DarthDread-oh2ne]

I believe in the sith code.

[@InnateNobility]

Sith forever.

[@boosnakejones]

It’s literally a ladder to being the most powerful which equals “freedom” Nothing deeper than that

[@foxtrot-gamesandwit4475]

Thank you!

[@daviddevlogger]

please I need your advice is it right to marry someone who didn't her no when while his not after go be has is abroad. Pls advice me

[@mattewwoodward4131]

A sith dosent need to be evil or even power hungry they just got be truthful to them self's and learn to control there emotions because each other as different effects on the force it self that's the problem Vader had he couldn't get over his past wich meant he couldn't break his chains not just with the empire but with self

[@tayvader9431]

Do this, but next time, do the one that isn’t sith or jedi. (“…the one in the middle…”- The Bendu) *not asking about STRICTLY The Bendu, asking about the force wielding faction(s) that are neither dark side nor light side that may also have a “mantra”*

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

Not a real thing

[@anymaru]

No chaos without order no good without evil There is no light without the dark. Through passion again focus through knowledge. Echoing power through serenity against strength through victory against harmony there is only the force

[@The_BlueShade]

The thing about grey force users is that they tend to be morally grey individuals. Bendu (character) is kind enough to offer wisdom and whatnot but is apathetic towards the effort of fighting the tyrannical empire. Kreia is active and passionate about the well-being of the galaxy but would go through insane methods of making others suffer or die for others to prosper. The person's side of the force doesn't just come from the powers they use but also where they morally stand. I don't know how mentally healthy it is to regularly use something like force lightning since it derives from hate.

[@AcoylteKraven82]

Well I think a Sith fan should be the one that takes us on a deeper dive into their order! Not a Jedi lover! Lol I’m kinda joking…….. but I can clearly tell you’re talking about the Sith, like you’re reading it from the point of view of a Jedi. And when it comes to how they could never see eye to eye…….. you do remember that the first side to publicity say that “ALL” from the other order must be whipped out was the Jedi, right?!? Now, I’m not saying they were the first to think that, nor where they the first to try to kill one of the other side. But they were the first to say they needed to be whipped from the galaxy!

[@SilentErkan]

Speakers voice scratched my ears.

[@brianvance1178]

I think that the Force does not distinguish between Light Side and Dark Side, there is only The Force. Light and Dark are determined by the choices of the Force sensitive channeling its power.

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

All of that is wrong

[@seppo3139]

What do you mean added in nazi philosophy into the mix, isn't the sith code inspired by niezsche?

[@sarethuskami5082]

A few points:- 1) I would say it's less Sacrifice vs Selfishnes, but more Unity vs Individuality. The Force is made up of the energy of every living being, it's will is arguably the will of all life (including a Sith's own). A collective if you will. Jedi seek to obey that will (in Sith's eyes they would be willing slaves), to become one with that will (and in so doing loosing their own), Sith meanwhile seek to impose their own will on the force. This is more then being free of the force as you described but rather ruling the will / energy of every living being. 2) The goal of the Sith (as per the Sith Code) is Freedom. Where you describe it as free of Will of the Force (which is correct) I would take it further. Sith seek to free themselves of all restrictions whether imposed by others or themselves. Thing is if ONE being has complete and utter freedom then all other beings are not free at all. Because Sith seek freedom, they impose slavery on others.

[@amyb.6368]

That puts individuality on the side of "evil" though, which I don't believe at all. Standing up for what you believe in, going against the mob, leading, not being fooled by dictators trying to rule sheep, advancing the human race with new ideas, etc, are all by their very nature things you need individuality to achieve, and are all good things that the Jedi would also stand behind. I see it more as whether you believe in an outward power of goodness (something like a god or a solid set of principles) or believe yourself to be the greatest goodness. Because if you believe the latter, your goodness will be flawed because all people are flawed. And so you are more likely to just do what you want, let yourself go to your worst instincts, because...what's stopping you if you don't think that's a bad thing? Put another way, narcissism is to individuality as mob rule is to teamwork. Sith are narcissists rather than individualists.

[@sarethuskami5082]

@@amyb.6368 Thing is in terms of the force? It very much is 'Evil' (again in terms of the Force). I don't know if you have read the Recluce Series by L.E Moddiest but there was sequence there that reminded me of Star Wars when I read it when I was younger:- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wise Master was giving student a lesson and basically said:- If you use magic to light a fire for a freezing child, you give yourself to Chaos. (Fire is Chaos magic). If you use magic to heal a murderer, then you give yourself to Order (Healing is generally Order). In other words magic did not care the reason why you called on it, it cared on how/what you called. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That always reminded of Star Wars. Call on the Force to heal some-one out of passion, you are dark-side. Call on the Force to kill someone because you (and the Force) have dispassionately judged them as a threat...you are light-side. Again the Force does not care if you are calling for murder or healing or visions etc. HOW you call it is what defines you as a Light-Sider or Dark-Sider. Call on the force when you are in-tune with it's will, great you are light-side. Call on it when you want to go your own way against the will of the force, to impose your own will on the force...You tread on the path of the Dark Side. NOTE: Keep in mind we are not talking about Han Solo or even Admiral Piett being 'individualistic' or 'orderly'. We are talking about FORCE-USERS being individualistic etc... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Basically a Jedi is meant to harmonise their own will with the Larger Will (The Force). Most heroes (especially in fiction) though are more individualistic. They might defend Society from outside threats but they are very willing to push-back against society if they feel society is constraining them un-fairly, so they would probably all end up as Dark-Siders eventually. Heroes again in fiction tend to be passionate, defending their 'nakama' or group etc... Such a path would lead most 'Heroes' to the Dark Side (if they had/used the Force).

[@roberteischen4170]

Why do the sith both celebrate and condemn victory through decent?

[@liborohanka5010]

Sith teaching/lore I equally interesting to Jedi, maybe more, because they are more diverse and daring to experiment that Jedi.

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

They're diverse and daring at being evil and not much else

[@liborohanka5010]

@@TheMinskyTerrorist and Jedi are blind to their own mistakes and evil. Sith are more interesting group because they are more open about who they are to themselves, even if they hide their public face, they understand, what exactly they are and what they want, what they sacrificed for it and what they will do to achieve it.

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

@@liborohanka5010 Misinformation

[@jackreacher1717]

The sith and the darkside are deceivers by the fact of their evil nature,so nothing a sith says can be fully trusted as true. Making much of the information gained through sith individuals, especially questionable.

[@zexalbrony4799]

The Sith code may sound appealing at first glance with its promises of freedom and power, but as many Sith themselves will tell you, it's a trap! Cue the obligatory Admiral Ackbar reference. For all their talk of freedom and power, they are actually slaves to their own emotions. The Jedi on the other hand are different, while at first glance you may think they try to suppress their emotions that is not the case, at least for the Jedi who understand nuance as some don't and do try to completely suppress their emotions like Ki-Aid-Mundi, they teach to not let you're emotions control you, emotions are apart of everyone there natural, it's not about having hatred, anger, passion, or whatever, it's what you do with them. I mean look at Obi-Wan he defiantly has hatred for Maul for what he did to Qui-Gon and Satine, but he never lets that anger consume him, but he doesn't pretend it's not there or that he doesn't still care about Qui-Gon and Satine. On Qui-Gon to Anakin in Chapter 21 of the Mircro-series, "I know. I miss him too. Not a day goes by that I don't look to his teachings for guidance." On Satine when Bo-Katan questioned if she even meant something to Obi-Wan in Clone Wars season 7, "She did. And still does. But I cannot let my emotions cloud my judgment." The Jedi are all about controlling their emotions, and trusting the Force knows what to do. Now not everyone trusts the Force, but that's okay, many people in the Galaxy just want the freedom to do their own thing, live their lives, accomplish their dreams, and be happy, and as long as they don't hurt anyone with their freedom then that's fine. The Force, despite its name, never forces its will onto others, it merely asks for permission and if it doesn't get it then it accepts because if it did force its will on others it would be no better than the Dark Side. Both the Force and the Jedi know this, and that's why they let the regular Joes just live their lives how they want, and even let Jedi leave the Order if they want to because they don't think the Jedi way is for them because they respect the freedom and happiness of all life. Whereas the Sith do not, the Sith Order doesn't just let you walk away if you want to leave, there is no real freedom, you're a slave to the Dark Side and if you want out of the Sith then you have to fight for it, because staying in this Order only leads to pain and suffering for others, the galaxy, and for the Sith themselves, it's a never-ending vicious cycle of pain and misery.

[@marklee1194]

True. In KOTOR II, look no further than Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus. Darth Sion has practically become immortal simply by drawing on his pure rage and hatred to keep his broken body together. However, the net result is constant pain and agony with no sense of joy and peace in the end. Darth Nihilus is essentially a slave to his own power. He encapsulates the very nature of giving in to the Dark Side to the extreme. The more you divulge yourself into the Dark Side (much like drugs or any form of craving), you become addicted to it very quickly. In Nihilus' case, he became so addicted, he cannot control himself let alone live without his hunger.

[@dgalloway107]

Not really all that confident in your interpretation, seeing as you think that light side= following the will of the force and dark side=subjugating the force. Not sure if you noticed, but the light side jedi created the sith with their dogmatic persuit of "Light side".

[@ericgeesey9817]

The Sith don't have to be evil. Look towards Ryu from street fighter. In the Star Wars setting, Ryu would he Sith. Always training, always fighting, seeking out opponents who could test him. I think they miss opportunities by pigeonholing Sith characters.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

Or Super Saiyans. Both Sith and Saiyans gain strength from loss and fear of loss.

[@turbonerd6552]

The Sith conform to there code more than the Jedi. That said the grey Jedi, to my mind, are the only faction that truly follow the will of the force. The sith and the jedi bend the force to there will. Legends Luke does a good job of trying to be a conducting element and focus of the force.

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

Gray Jedi are not a real thing

[@anymaru]

​@@TheMinskyTerroristyes, they are. The original jedi were Grey. Real balance. All conflict in the Star Wars universe is caused by the split of dark and light. Yin and yang, balance. To deny half of your true self causes conflict.

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

@@anymaru all of that is false

[@anymaru]

@@TheMinskyTerrorist in your certain perspective. Read the comics. The Jedi Order's origins can be traced back to the Dai Bendu, a Force cult that preceded the Jedi and believed in balance rather than the light or dark side. The first Jedi Temple was believed to be on Ahch-To, even though the Dai Bendu were associated with Coruscant

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

@@anymaru that didn't happen

[@coloneloper]

I feel like I'm missing something?

[@Alizudo]

Like what?

[@coloneloper]

@@Alizudo I have no idea who Pat is so that's why I was confused when I heard a different voice

[@thatman666]

Weird change at first, but I began to get used to it. Heck, Pat felt he was given the part of narrating Smuggler's tales.

[@brokenbridge6316]

Can you do the Grey Jedi's code please?

[@Ben-Ken]

This channel already explained that it's not real. You either follow the will of the force or you don't. Tolo try and be a grey Jedi is to want the best of both worlds. It won't work. Dabbling in the dark side is like dabbling in heroin. You won't even know when you're too far gone.

[@Odinfang]

I’m pissed that current canon only has Lord Momin as an example of a sith artisan. I need more than just a guy who started by making art from animal corpses all the way up to planet scorching laser and a portal into the force. I want someone who saw the force as a power source and created several works that tap into it outside of just himself. I need someone who has a joy in crafting weapons and armor that expresses the fortitude one achieves with discipline and creativity over the dark side, like plageuis, but isn’t into the politics, more like the experimentation.

[@drmrguy2]

darth mecchus

[@alexhudson277]

This seems a litte too black and white. I'd argue that them seeking freedom is not worse than submitting to whatever the force demands of you. I tend to think that the Je'dai and the Grey Jedi (none of that, "there's no such thing", they were a sensible counterweight) had a pretty good handle on it. Go with the flow of the force, but do not just blind follow it or subjugate it. Both codes, as they stand, encourage followers to make bad decisions. Especially since the light side isn't inherently good, nor is the dark alway bad. Unless you find a balance in your life and way of thinking you will fall. Whether you fall to the light or dark, you're going to be corrupted either way.

[@TheWayoftheSith]

Its Darwinian not national socialist. Natsocs didn't invent nature, the nature of conflict and competition to strengthen and perfect a individual being.

[@lacucaracha111111]

Kinda interesting what that means for our world : When you give up everything and just drift along you end up nowhere and with noone, as the force that unifies you in the end doesnt exist. When you let your emotions run wild , they will eventually consume you leaving you a bitter shell of who you once were and equally alone. Find balance between the sides

[@craigmarlow2194]

Sith under Disney is shit

[@mogwiawolf4354]

just going to say it but a close look at the grey jedi code would be cool

[@TheMinskyTerrorist]

Not a real thing

[@b.langenohl9721]

Well, I guess the Sith were just misunderstood space-libertarians after all…

[@marcusanton95]

The Jedi's idea of bringing balance to the force was anything but balanced. They thought it meant destroying the Sith, balance would be to make both side equal in power. It would mean allowing people the freedom to choose for themselves which to follow. Or to choose to strike an internal balance of light and dark, forever twilight.

[@CT9905.]

There can only be TWO! Rule of the Sith!!!

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

Starting from Darth Bane. Who himself was interpreting Revan's words. Neither was close to the first Sith.

[@GarrestheWarrior]

I think both schools of thought are idiotic. The Force is the Force, nothing more or less. You can bend it to your will, but you can never fully control or break it. Passion is powerful, but you need to control or direct it without completely denying yourself the very thing that makes you a person. Controlled Chaos is ideal for the Force, rather than complete control or wild anandon. I much prefer the Gray philosophy. Selecting only the light or the dark will lock one out of an entire half of Force potential. Jedi are dumb. Peace through warfare while using pacifist teachings and acting outside that very teaching. Preaching enlightenment while directly furthering counterintuitive practices. Sith are stupid. Ambition running wild and completely unable to compromise, leading to infighting and self-sabotage. They corrupt and destroy everything they are and touch, and think they're gaining power and longevity. Both want stability in the galaxy, and both are bad at it.

[@Overlord367]

me being a sith both in and outside of star wars.

[@DarthVages]

👍

[@NaughtOverAll]

The sith seeking freedom from the force via immortality is absolutely mad, unthought out, blind in faith, and as someone that has expertise via experience with attempting to "break one's chains", that means that (if achieved) they're running in twoards an infinite amount of the biggest regrets and most tragic disappointments they could possibly endure , all because of an grave misunderstanding of how to obtain that freedom that they so desirechie and a massive integral blind spot in their philosophy. Firstly, there is no such thing as an immortal. You may live on for trillions of eons and conquered the assimilation of quintillions all for the sake of your cause, but immortal you shan't ever be. Have a body that defies your race's typical features against your age? Sure. Stronger in the ways of the force with unparalleled grace in your mastery of it? Yeah, ok. Capable of feats that seem to have been hidden from mortals only to be used by Gods? Good for you. Whatever. But you will never. NEVER. Find satisfaction, constantly being reminded, sometimes by your very existence, that you're shackles and limitations may have loosened enough for you to be able to breathe, but yet they undoubtedly remain, antagonizing you, mocking you for all of your failured efforts to escape, to know freedom. You will always posses limits, meet new walls, face more chalenges. You will always lack enough power to be truly, valiantly, completely, inexplicably victorious. Immortality is not it. It is on fact exact, the EXACT, opposite of all you fundamentally choose to stand for at the ready all in the name of your precious freedom, blindly as can be.. Death. Death is what you seek. Should your desire for real freedom from the force and all of any influence it has that you can not, will not, shall not usurp, but will continue to prepetuate your own torture in it's subjugation over any aspect of your existence, unless you of course your path of enlightenment is found to reach completion in it's end just as you do.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

"But you will never. NEVER. Find satisfaction," Which results in continual improvement. Good.

[@TheMan2030]

Duh

[@BurghezulDjentilom]

excuse me, "naz1 philosophy" in the sith code ? what kinda pants on head reddited take is this ? if anything, it's way more m4rx1st. remember "we have nothing to lose but our chains" ?

[@BradyDearden]

First

[@Tate_THG]

So much misleading information

[@thelordofgifts5343]

This guy is actually wrong. In the original films deleted scenes quote “the Sith”