Nature vs Nurture: How Deep Did Clone Individuality Really Go & How Did the Clone Wars Shape it?

[@isaackim7675]

I loved how they started off as blank faces with similar armor from the Attack of the Clones to clones with unique personalities that makes them who they are in the Clone Wars

[@lanesmith1465]

The really sad thing about the Clones is that most of them were genuinely good men. They were just used by bad people.

[@uber9276]

I dont think Fox and Thire were "evil" they were just stuck on Coruscant forever under the direction of Tarkin and Palpatine. They never got Jedi Generals to express their personality. So all they expressed was their commitment to duty and making sure the job got done.

[@tk-6967]

Fox was evil, though. He didn't do his job well. Coruscant is said to have faired better under the Empire than under his police state.

[@russian_knight]

Exactly, fox literally just did his job and he gets hate for it. The bias is pathetic

[@demi-femme4821]

Fox killed Fives and didn't even care. Go back and watch the episode again. You'll notice that everyone there is mourning Fives' death except for Fox, including six Coruscant Guards. There is no excuse for what Fox did. Even if Palpatine had ordered Fives' death, which, he didn't. That would've been obviously suspicious to anyone who managed to hear what Fives had to say. If he did order Fives killed, it was under the table, at which point Fox could have easily refused the order. Either way, Fox is doing something pretty bad. And Fox was TRYING to get Fives to reach for that blaster. Surely, he'd know that Fives is on edge and that running in guns drawn is going to scare him and make him think you intend to kill. Even while Fox was running in and had ample time to set to stun as he got into the effective range for it, he chose to kill. Fives reaching for Rex's blaster wasn't a threat to Fox's life. It was an excuse to kill him. And the cherry on top is once again that Fox is the only clone who doesn't mourn Fives' death. If what you say is true, and Fox is just dedicated to following orders, then everyone there should've reacted the same way. Commander Fox is a murderer. There are no two ways about it.

[@russian_knight]

​@@demi-femme4821 the reaching in this comment is crazy

[@Jiub_SN]

@@demi-femme4821 he was a soldier, not a cop. We saw what clones thought of/did to clones they thought were corrupt in some way. He was also a commander, meaning he was best at following orders

[@masteroftheassassins]

The Clone Wars show showed that just because clones can all look the same, it doesn’t mean they have to be the same. They may be Clones, but each is still an individual.

[@halolover117]

damn thats deep and so true

[@tk-6967]

And then TBB overlooked that and made them all Rex clones. It is so disappointing that they just gave the 'good' clones the same personality as Rex. One clone even paraphrased Rex's experience outranks everything

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

In some ways, it was during the Clone Wars that the Jedi shined the most as well as the least. The Clones were taught that they were expendable while the Jedi valued their lives and respected their courage. The Jedi were known for having an uncommonly strong care for life and showed honor and nobility even for those who probably didn’t deserve it. They understood that there was no point in life where such interactions were less important or overall unnecessary. The sad irony was that the Sith took all that away when the Republic became the Empire and founded the Storm Trooper Corp. after they demonized the very Jedi who had a quite possibly the biggest part saving their troopers from the conditionings of their Kaminoan creators, the same cloners who were ‘befriended’ and employed by those very same Sith, in the beginning, who aimed to take away that very same Humanity the Kaminoans failed to keep from the Clones that the Galaxy the Republic expanded across by so much gave them. If anything, it makes you wonder how many Clones kept the same spark of life in them that was given by the Jedi, and whose wasn’t dimmed into defecting or rebelling. After all, if there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s that just because you didn’t save somebody then, doesn’t mean you didn’t leave some sort of impact.

[@redthewarrior1569]

As a child you think Slick is evil, but when you’re an adult you realize that maybe he was right

[@maxxor-overworldhero6730]

Right, but went about it completely the wrong way.

[@redthewarrior1569]

@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 100% true

[@johngancarcik5682]

​@maxxor-overworldhero6730 there were plenty of other ways to go about it

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

I just can’t help but imagine some clones pulling pranks on rookies like when they paint their armor, get their hair done, get tattoos, and names.

[@noahd7303]

Got the hypebeast clonetrooper in the thumnail

[@indianajones4321]

We’re just clones sir, we’re meant to be expendable” “Not to me”

[@rosiehawtrey]

Makes perfect sense, even in just the "we only have so many clones" sense.

[@randomt800kiddo2]

fives is the goat, went from almost failing clone trooper training to becoming rex's righthand man on umbara then discovering the inhibitor chips which ended up saving rex and ahsoka

[@kalechips4564]

I mean even in our real world identical twins don’t share 100% of their genome, it makes sense there’d be aberrations for clones too

[@collecter343]

It's difficult to get all the variables of the process exactly the same, nevermind millions of them. Who knows how many accidents/mutations took place during the creation of the clones, we have Clone Force 99 so they definitely took place. The thing is that they were the ones with extremely helpful mutations that could be enhanced, who knows how many clones died from mutations that were more cancerous than benign.

[@a_tree5793]

To be fair on the Coruscant Guard commanders, considering who they answered to they had immense pressure placed on them to not fuck up at any cost. Yes, it was disheartening to see Fox just silence Fives the way he did but all things considered he was probably going off orders directly from Palpatine to use lethal force. Doesn't make it right but he had no choice and a deadline to fulfil that was set by the most powerful man in the galaxy

[@lazarpetrovic1671]

True however fox may not be as evil as people think he is concidering how he tried to arrest fives and even gave him several chances to stand down

[@cerealsgames3118]

The best part was how their jedi generals assisted the clones in becoming different than the clones of other legions, very similar to how the people we surround ourselves with shape us too

[@cameronis8089]

From a behavioural perspective, you could say the clones were the dogs to the Kaminoans’ Pavlov. Always being given positive reinforcement for such things as camaraderie and collaboration and negative reinforcement for individuality and iconoclastic thinking.

[@arandomsquidward7761]

Hey man, just wanted to say I love your vids. Going through stuff right now and your videos always cheer me up, especially now.

[@TheEmperorsChampion964]

My favorites are probably Rex, Wolfe, and Gregor

[@dylanrivera2244]

The Clone Wars made the clones go from organic droids to actual people while still fulfilling their primary purpose to be the Republics new army. Unfortunately, the clones had another, much darker purpose. And once the time came to fulfill that purpose, all of the humanity and individuality the clones had gained throughout the war was all erased with only three words.

[@miss_tempest]

We only had him for a short time but my favourite Clone is Captain Keeli. Against insurmountable odds he stayed defiant to the end. "I'm still here general" "we can do this" as he and Ima-Gun Di buy the twi'lek's as many seconds as possible.

[@kkamiya9038]

The clones were different facets of Jango Fett, rather like a multiverse of Jango, all in one Galaxy.

[@collecter343]

Makes one think just how much experiences shape who we become.

[@CD-Freedom]

I hope you do a video comparing the Clones individual growth to the Stormtroopers’ denial of individuality.

[@marshalllatta2073]

Clones are legendary

[@CaptainHowzer325]

Damn right 😎

[@inquisitorgarza312]

War is a high stress event that make changes within the human mind, and truly mold a person very being.

[@Straswa]

Great vid Geetsly. My favorite clones are Echo and Appo.

[@CaptainHowzer325]

Great video, my G.

[@zexalbrony4799]

As Generation Tech once put it, no matter how hard you try to alter or condition someone, life finds a way. Unfortunately, as you pointed out with Fox and Thire that's not always a good thing. I have a lot of favorite Clones, from obvious ones like Rex, Cody, Echo, Fives, Hunter, Wolffee, Wrecker, Tech, Waxxer, Boil, Jesse, Hardcase, Kix, Tup, and so on, to ones, I really think deserved more screen time such as Doom, Trapper, Hawk, Warthog. And I don't think Slick was entirely right. Yes he was right about the Clones being slaves and deserving better, but his actions were the wrong move to take, he could have talked to some people who actually cared about the Clones to see if they could find a way to free the Clones after the war, there were many Jedi and even Senators(as seen by Chuchi in The Bad Batch) who did care for the Clones and want to help them, even in Legends Kal Skirata petitioned the Senate to give the Clones more free time. Honestly, if Palpatine had been stopped earlier and the war ended differently with the Jedi and like surviving, maybe some of them and some of the good Senators could have done something to help the Clones after the war, they could have failed too just like what happened in the actual continuity, but they would have at least tried and they would have had a better fighting chance without Palpatine and some of his allies getting in the way.

[@kira68200]

the clones are the real unsung heroes of star wars

[@CaptainHowzer325]

Damn right 😎

[@tk-6967]

Identical slaves fighting for a corrupt government aren't heroes. Especially when all of the 'heroic' things they did were scenarios created by Palpatine.

[@tk-6967]

Identical slaves fighting for a corrupt government aren't heroes. Especially when all of the 'heroic' things they did were scenarios created by Palpatine.

[@bricksnblocks]

Supreme clone w

[@Fennec202]

Hunter definitely had the most unique appearance considering that unlike the other members of clone force 99, he was genetically identical to the rest of the clones. Though because he was a member of clone force 99 he probably felt like the odd man out, so he grew out his hair, got a half-skull face tattoo, and wore a red bandana to look as unique as the rest of the group.

[@UnswimmingFishYT]

I think the clone individuality was caused the by the Force. It's clearly established that the average person has some of it in them to varying extents, and there's no specified reason why clone troopers actually had signs of personality differences before being exposed to life outside a heavily regulated training center, despite being designed to have identical traits at a genetic level. There's probably something about the Force that causes slight differences in people's minds, because it's the only factor early on that the Kaminoans had no control over at all. The rest is just natural reaction to different experiences. The people who trained them, accidents, and emotional response to situations like performance in training exercises or other random events happening all could have been slight changes in life experience, which leads to some level of difference in how a clone would approach things, even if they thought the same way to begin with. Clones are a very realistic comparison to how people inherit personality traits from their parents, but end up forming very different thoughts about life based o what they see and what happens to them. If the clones all had the same personality, it would be bad writing, and a dismissal of variation in people's lives as a thing that happens.

[@brokenbridge6316]

Nature vs. Nurture have been at odds since the start of time. And will continue to be at odds until the end of time.

[@max-pl2cm]

The supreme armor looks awesome😂

[@konven49]

Very good!

[@CC--jk6cr]

I think that we can all agree with Slick. The clones deserved rights, he just went about it the wrong way.

[@eliasjimenez8866]

My favorite clones are Tech and Fixer because of their intelligence and cool armor designs. I wonder how there aren't clone commandos belonging to the Coruscant Guard. A clone commando with that color pattern would look sick as hell

[@lennartgamer2339]

You meant Rex blond short hair cut

[@thomasalmodovar9095]

Even slick was brave enough to sell secrets to the separatists because he was loyal to his brothers in his weird individual way 😂

[@robvicsumo2517]

Commander Thire was evil?

[@murray613]

I think he played a large hand in helping to form the police state of the late Republic and then the Empire with Armand Isaard

[@IsaacVizasLurie]

Ironically the clone Rebellion in canon is still based on conditioning of loyalty to the Republic and comraderie with the Jedi. Clones who leave the empire rarely talk or think about how the war may have been unexessary or how the Republic had been corrupt for years. Instead its simply that the empire isnt the Republic, they made them betray the Jedi (post chip removal or wear off), and they have to use force on unarmed former loyalist civillians. Guys like Rex and Echo will move mountains to help Bail Organa or save a surviving Jedi but they resent the idea of helping former separatists fight the empire.

[@chriscannon9689]

When you think about it, Order 66 was the largest slave revolt in the history of the Star Wars galaxy.

[@chenli9778]

It's just even more tragic to think that The Empire not only set Clone troopers back to droids ,and inspired to make human soldiers became droid like stormtroopers ...

[@anderariastamayo5003]

Wohooo, second comment of the week! And I always had a thing for Waxer and Boil for their role in Ryloth and how they took care of Numa.

[@Loli_lover206]

That thumbnail is fucking gold

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate has the most individuality.

[@TheRoguePrince0]

How does jango, know he's not a clone with fake memories.

[@jr1212-es9bp]

There’s many comments I’ve seen of people that for some reason hate/dislike how the Clone characters in a show centered heavily on the individual clone characters from the various units across the galaxy had individualism and personalities 😂 “This isn’t joke” I can’t believe there’s clowns 🤡 who actually wanted the clone characters to act like a bunch of blank emotionless droids devoid of personalities and individualism that just function to blindly follow orders and don’t speak unless spoken to 😂 They expected the equivalent of the Unsullied from Game Of Thrones 😂 Great soldiers devoid of personality

[@lazarpetrovic1671]

To be fair that is literaly what most of the grand army of the republic was, don't get me wrong, i really like it when a clone trooper has their own individual personality that makes them an intresting character but the problem is that there are so mutch clones that have their own personality to the point were clones like fox stand out like a sore thumb

[@TMracing11]

Only 2 weeks later i realized how cursed the thumbnail is lmao

[@michaelandreipalon359]

I really miss the Alpha-17/Skirata interpretation of clone individualism. Sure, it never made them as human as the TCW 2008 onwards clones, but it makes them feel more better on the true "good soldiers follow orders" and the subtle slavery angles. Plus, no need for inhibitors.

[@Cybermat47]

What was wrong with Thire? We only saw him doing bad stuff when he was under the influence of the inhibitor chip.

[@gs-8279]

Fives my beloved

[@lazarpetrovic1671]

The bias for the choruscant guard here is just unreal, fox did his job and thire had a freaking chip implated in his brain that made him follow orders just like literaly every clone

[@gary9346]

That last part is a bit...off. Someone choosing to be evil is something we all tell ourselves to make ourselves feel better, but it's rarely that black and white.

[@collecter343]

Everyone is the hero of their own story, just a matter of a person's point of view.

[@lerneanlion]

SLICK IS RIGHT! OF COURSE, HE IS RIGH!

[@h.m.p.2080]

The jedi encoureged the clones to have indivulality

[@razza119]

The Star Wars galaxy doesn’t care about the clones but our galaxy (sol) cares deeply for them….. ironic really

[@ShadowJedi527]

Life and individualism always finds a way.

[@shagbabyyeah]

Man the pic on the right is cursed

[@nastyfyme]

Wolffe was a little crazy? I'd rather call him sassy 😁 and the best looking clone in the entire GAR 👌

[@nathansheldahl]

That’s easy for me. My favorite clone has been and always will be Captain Rex. So say one so say all!!!

[@tk-6967]

How did Slick go bad though? I mean the fact that people consider him a villain while literal terrorists like saw and the partisans are considered 'flawed individuals'. They literally blow up civilians and shit. Even Lux Bonteri tried to blow up a school! Meanwhile Slick blew up unmanned walkers, his targets were all military and he didn't even kill anyone. As for the 'honour' factor, even Rex, one of the most honourable and kind (in the traditional sense) clones, has literally executed a bunch of people who really didn't do anything but their jobs and were in the same position that clones were in, if not worse. And even if you are one of those people who ignores the lore of both Legends and Canon and the words of GL himself and gets to the conclusion that droids aren't sentient and are instead just robots, according to the novelisation of TCW (which is considered Legends now) Rex has killed unarmed Separatist organics for no apparent reason.

[@TeyN7]

To be fair, Slick, in a way, got some clones killed when he gave away their position.

[@tk-6967]

@@TeyN7 Not his fault what the CIS chose to do with the documents, he simply gave them it in return for his freedom. Not a hard decision. Him dealing with Seppies (which isn't a justified reason to hate him) is the reason people hate him clearly, because otherwise he is the exact same as Cut Lawquane.

[@TeyN7]

@@tk-6967 I understood what his goal was but honestly he could’ve done things differently, he sold his boys out and gave out vital information. Why even get in contact with them in the first place? It’s not even guaranteed they’ll meet their end of the deal. Besides, I’m sure he knew what’d happened when he handed out intel to the Separatists. Sure, the vehicles that were sabotaged weren’t operated by anybody at the time, but Republic suffered high casualties without them during the battle of Christophsis, so much for “loving his brothers” and “striking a blow for all clones”

[@tk-6967]

@@TeyN7 Same could be said about Saw and any of the other partisans. And yet people routinely defend them, while Slick is unjustly labelled as an example of an evil clone. At least he wasn't fighting for a corrupt government.

[@joshuadamroth5303]

✌

[@pyeitme508]

Em ok

[@joshpeck9266]

Pls talk about epigenetics 😅

[@seanandrews5329]

Anyone know what thire did that was bad?

[@lazarpetrovic1671]

He executed order 66 because of the chip or geetsly's is just outright biased towards the choruscant guard because commander fox was just doing his job

[@andersonjulioborsatto1253]

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[@XxLast__BossxX]

Mod chips

[@DeezNuts-xb9zj]

Early

[@deathsexy]

I remember that. But it was the 332nd not the federal 501st legion.😂😅