Geezer Butler Says Tony Iommi Was 'Incredibly Disappointed' With Rick Rubin.

[@gavinjohnson8951]

Rubin isn't a musician, he's just a vibes guy. Think his producing amounts to him listening to the music on a bed, and him just saying things like it, "turn up the bass". To Rubin's credit, he did produce Slayer's unholy trinity of Reign in Blood, South of Heaven and Seasons, and the 4 Danzig albums, which are amongst my favourite albums, period.

[@dlwseattle]

I'm no fan of Rubin, but he is a musician. He plays guitar on this record from 1982 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmPQhWyVepl_q6M

[@WaitingtoHit]

@@dlwseattle When Rubin spoke to Anderson Cooper, he claimed that he "barely" knew how to play any instruments and later said, “I have no technical ability, and I know nothing about music.” And of course, also by his own admission, he doesn't know how a mixing desk works. If you're hiring him, it's exclusively for his ability to judge what is "right" and "wrong" with your songs or in-progress recordings. It's not a secret.

[@aaronmcmahon7462]

Sounds like Tony had similar issues with Rubin in the way Malcolm Young did when Rick produced Ballbreaker.

[@user-ko8qx3db5g]

Rick Rubin's best albums always had talented engineers like Andy Wallace. I think the engineers had more to do with the success than Rubin did.

[@snapringchronicles3020]

No Bill Ward, No Sabbath

[@beatmet2355]

Rubin probably gets more credit than he deserves

[@Gerrys-Channel]

So does Bob Rock.

[@beatmet2355]

@@Gerrys-Channel Bob Rock actually produced albums. Watch Metallica recording sessions with both. Bob was IN the studio making decisions and suggestions to the band and doing things. Rick Rubin was nowhere to be found in all the footage I saw.

[@thrashingjedi72]

​@@beatmet2355But what did Bob bring to Metallica or Crue.turned those bands into crap.Im not a big fan of Rubin but I like him better and the albums he did.He basically let's the band do what they want from what I have heard.if it's a young hungry band he doesn't gave to do much at all.they usually have ideas already.

[@beatmet2355]

@@thrashingjedi72 😂 you’re seriously asking that question? Rubin’s idea is the same for every project: go back to your roots. Ooooo, real original. Metallica had their most successful album with Bob Rock, even if it’s not a favorite of mine. And you can’t honestly say Dr. Feelgood isn’t a great album.

[@thrashingjedi72]

@@beatmet2355 yeah dr Feelgood is ok and the black album sold alot.its just the direction in music he took those bands in I didn't care for.alot of people did I know

[@grindhousecartoons6896]

THAT TUNE THAT TONY DID WITH OZZY ON OZZY'S LAST ALBUM SOUNDS MORE LIKE SABBATH THAN THE ENTIRE 13 PIECE OF CRAP!

[@GhostfaceGriller-hd7jw]

Sabbath Sunday 👊😎

[@dlwseattle]

i am happy to say that i own the first 10 sabbath albums - but i have never once listened to the album 13

[@michaelkeudel8770]

I own them all, there's more to Sabbath than Ozzy.

[@stonytokes]

When 13 came out, I listened to it, thought "There's an hour I'll never get back", and have never listened to it since. Ozzy should have retired decades ago at this point. It's too bad a lot of these guys stick around WAY past their expiration dates and end up tarnishing their legacies as a result.

[@rjg2112]

Especially Ozzy’s last two solo albums, double yuck, IMO!

[@richbillionair]

1 hour that you can't get back? Like if you had better things to do.

[@mikewolverton7904]

I agree. I saw Rob Zombie and Ozzy back in 2000 or 2001 in New Orleans. It was truly the most disappointing concert I've ever been to. The stadium was less than half full and the crowd energy just wasn't there. I had a better time seeing Cheap Trick at the NOLA House of Blues playing to 500 people.

[@earring1]

Richard Dreyfuss and that other guy should rest on Rick Rubin's bed. They look seasick still.

[@samuelgirard1407]

Robert Shaw :)

[@budgiemcleod4443]

I think it's safe to say that we all were disappointed in Rick Rubin. 13 was so lame and generic and rehashed. Absolutely the worst Black Sabbath/Ozzy album.

[@z-z-z-z]

4443 - yep...he did a great job with johnny cash, red hot chili peppers, etc., but failed miserably with sabbath...any run of the mill sabbath fan could have done better!

[@michaelkeudel8770]

Well Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die were much worse, but 13 was a lame album.

[@fabianhammer2864]

i still dig zeitgeist, aka return to planet caravan

[@krudetube795]

13 is trash. And most everything Rubin touches is trash. He got lucky with timing in the 80's. And he is to blame for the 'loudness wars' with music mastering

[@alonzogallabon8629]

I just had another listen to this, after a few years, and now I like it, so I'm changing my comment. Now I can hear the original band doing their old thing. The simple Sabb riffs go well with Ozzy's voice singing Geezer's lyrics. And that drumming doesn't bother me now. I don't know what changed but there you go.

[@gavinjohnson8951]

Forgot, Rubin also produced Electric by the Cult, which is a great album, albeit a AC/DC rip off. Definitely a producer who's still dining out on albums from the 80's and 90's.

[@paulkraynak5604]

Bill is the B is Black Sabbath. No Bill = Lack Sabbath.

[@mikekeeler6362]

Well you're never going to sound like they did back in the 70s you can never go backwards only forward

[@WeGachaMetal]

I love many of Rick’s rock and metal albums. The Cult, Four Horsemen, Slayer etc. I don’t know what the **** hapenned with “13”. The songs are there but the FEEL is completely missing.

[@Tapp-Mourningwood]

Sabbath's dog "Doom Doom" gave his one leg salute to "13."

[@zaiusbaltar7091]

I'm going to play devil's advocate and say beyond the great work he did with Danzig and Slayer he also delivered with Trouble, Johnny Cash and the first Four Horsemen album ( Frank Starr had a great voice )

[@wmcruz8502]

I think if they had to use a contemporary producer Should have been Billy Corgan That would have been a badass lp

[@notsure1135]

Absolutely. Billy would have been good.

[@mattw4461]

Listened to 13 about 3 times. Couldn't get into it. I probably psyched myself out though because Bill Ward was screwed out of it.

[@TheChadTI]

Hearing Iommi's sound on Devil You Know and then hearing 13 it sounds like a different player. A HUGE downgrade.

[@thewurm9177]

Agree 💯

[@mikewilson3581]

I've read that some fans of The Cult actually prefer the band's 'Peace' album over Rubin's production work on 'Electric'.

[@rjg2112]

The production on Metallica’s Death Magnetic was atrocious IMO! However, I’m sure there are people out there that enjoy it, to each their own.

[@beatmet2355]

I don’t think he had any involvement in it. I watched every “making of” videos and I don’t recall ever seeing him in the studio.

[@visionop8]

I've been a music nerd for a long time. Ever since I was a little kid, I always thought Rick Rubin was the type who just wanted to be respected by the cool kids and be seen like the Steve Jobs of popular music. People were afraid to say he sucked because he was all over MTV and Slayer fans would get at you, especially if you ever mentioned anything about the bass sounds. It shouldn't surprise anyone that he tried to "vibe" his way through a Black Sabbath production.

[@gregjohnson298]

13 is the weakest Sabbath album,not good enough to end a 50 year career.The Devil You Know is the final album to me even though it wasn't called a Black Sabbath album officially.

[@ministerofdarkness]

Rubin stopped going to the studio in the early 2000s. He gets everything sent to him and then just sends back notes. Too busy stroking his beard. Anyways, Ralph you should add at the end of your video “ Listen to Black Sabbath but skip 13! “ Smackajahgob!

[@michaelkeudel8770]

So was I. I expected a much better album than what we got, which was just a rehash of what they've created before.

[@dwaynestjohn5324]

I agree 💯 percent. Atleast forbidden has some good songs. 13 just sucks. Drumming sucks and the songs sound the same. The one sabbath album I don't like.

[@jayjaytee9944]

The End is actually good, all those songs should have replaced all the rip offs you mentioned Ralph.

[@josephgiordano5149]

Of course. All hash tag songs

[@RaiderfanCali]

I’m pretty certain I listened to that album only once since it came out

[@anyfoolknowthat]

For a good time, check out the 1990 Wolfsbane album (Rubin produced)

[@mikekeeler6362]

Oh no we suck again

[@MikeRyan-mz1ph]

Never listened to 13. Got their live DVD. Im a RJD guy

[@wmcruz8502]

Kiss should have said never AFTER 1x wit BobEzrin Sheeesh

[@mickmarsbar81]

Rick Rubin absolutely ruined the first Wolfsbane album. I guess the Slayer and Danzig albums were a lucky winning streak, but I’ve never rated him since.

[@TheChadTI]

YES. Good band and good songs but that album's production is shocking....

[@mickmarsbar81]

@@TheChadTI Shocking is the right word. Dry as sticks, zero reverb. They deserved much better, what a damn shame.

[@looking_33]

Rick Rubin is a stain on many musicians discography

[@notsure1135]

Corgan solo album was good, but it’s acoustic, so it is hard to fuck that up…

[@shanester1832]

He had them all sit down together & listen to their 1st album, then said okay make a followup to this. I guess trying to conjure Paranoid 2. Rick seemed like a good idea until I heard that. Why not play Volume 4 and say, "continue this"? Why do anything like that at all?

[@SPY1964-LL]

Vol 4 is my all time favorite. THAT is the sound.....stoner rock took off (with help of 3rd album, too generic for me).

[@kevinhodgson8508]

Rubin ( along with some sussed engineers ) is a good producer for a band that is new at the time . For older established acts he tries too hard to recreate an earlier era which results in an uninspired pastiche of their former work ... The idea that he made the band listen to their first album and then said "now I want you to follow that" is just complete horse shit . When they originally followed the first album with Paranoid it was an enormous success with War Pigs breaking them in America and almost all of the tracks ( specifically Iron Man and Electric Funeral ) being constant staples in their live set ... Rubin also provided Iommi ( without consulting him ) some vintage Laney amplifiers which were rejected because Tony never used standard models ( his were always modified to his own specifications ) ... I only heard 2 songs from 13 in a record store and to me it sounded like an attempted update of their early 70's Master of Reality era ( except with unmemorable material ) . I totally dig everything from the first note of the first album through to the last note of the Never Say Die album . I saw them on the 1978 tour at Newcastle City Hall ( UK ) along with Van Halen opening the show ( both bands were phenomenal ) . Easily one of the greatest gigs I've ever witnessed .

[@richbillionair]

Black Sabbath may play a final show with Bill Ward in Birmingham England

[@michaelkeudel8770]

Until Sharon screws up the contract again, and Ozzy is in piss poor shape, the guy can barely stand on his own.

[@SPY1964-LL]

Never Say Die is one of my faves. Great riffs and melodies and memorable, singable. . 13?........yikes!

[@josephgiordano5149]

Planet caravan. Zeigest

[@radiomindchatter7994]

When I heard God is Dead..I knew it was over.

[@lanatrzczka]

I REALLY tried to get into 13 when it came out. Had it in the car on repeat. Checked out all the riffs, could do a couple of them on my guitar... really tried getting into it. After a while, I listed to Sabotage again. After so many listens to 13, Sabotage now seemed extremely fresh, dynamic, and well-made. 13 went into the dust bin. It seemed uninspired, and kind of doing Black Sabbath like a color-by-numbers crayon book. I recall that there was a BIG push on the song "God is Dead?" and a COMPLETELY MANUFACTURED SUPPOSED CONTROVERSY over what the song was really saying lyrically. Geezer did all kinds of interviews "defending" the song's message. He even "pointed out" that the title HAD A QUESTION MARK! F*ing laughable. All a load of crap. In reality, NO ONE AT ALL GAVE A CRAP about the song "God Is Dead?" Here, look, I can do it too! Satan is Smiling? .. Jesus Is King? .. Disease Rots Humanity? SUCH PROFOUND THOUGHTS!

[@MarkTurner-vs7uc]

I agree.

[@lanatrzczka]

@@MarkTurner-vs7uc Take a random generic three-word sentence, make sure it's about religion, add a question mark, and BOOM! A "new Black Sabbath song" that challenges the conformity of society! Pay a bunch of media people to "lean into" a well-established franchise that gets views based on the name alone, and WOW! This new song is worthy of several interviews discussing the IMPORTANCE of a question mark!

[@meronyach.]

Rick doesnt add energy to a song, he leeches it away.

[@wmcruz8502]

B.Ward ward ward ward We all love bill Does anyone know Why bill Didn’t play on the reunion album new tracks He’s just on one of them Do tell???

[@corvettemustang1]

i would be too that album is terrible dont get me wrong love the Sabs but 13 nope and truthfully ive heard that god is dead song didnt hear a note of the rest and still come to the conclution it sucks lol

[@mikestanislaus1107]

13 is good but not great. I myself wanted to love this album but couldn't get into it all that much. The Devil you know from Heaven and Hell is a WAAAAYY better album.

[@johnkatsoudas4767]

Don't hate what you do at all brother. I enjoy your content. Yeah Black Sabbath 13 is the only Black Sabbath album I don't like at all. All their other albums are MASTERPIECES for the most part in my opinion. I bought The End EP years ago but never listened to it because of 13. Just like you i am a completetist when it comes to my favorite bands.

[@rossreynolds5153]

Transilvanian Hunger has better drums than 13.

[@JerseyDevil411]

Rick Rubin doesn't understand true Black Sabbath. He tried to remake the 70's stuff but he pushed for a lyrically darker album and killed Sabbath's creativity. Black Sabbath is heavy gloomy powerful riff sound but the lyrics are typically optimistic, spiritual, political even... a unique point of view on many things of the world we live in. Rick Rubin clearly doesn't get what Sabbath's sound truly is about. I think not having Bill Ward involved only made things worse. Add Bill Ward and get a different producer and you probably have a masterpiece album

[@2hi2dye]

The songs on 13 were too slow for me. I can't listen to "moaning, mundane" Sabbath tunes, I just need them to be over

[@marvinmartin3438]

I don't think Rubin has ever produced anything that sounds great. Just sayin

[@zapusama67]

Did you just say "spontaity"?

[@almosthuman56]

maybe...

[@zapusama67]

😂 🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@trowerz]

“Bill Ward wasn’t on heaven and hell”🤔

[@snapringchronicles3020]

He was listed on the album 🤷

[@kevinhodgson8508]

Bill played on the Heaven and Hell album but bailed out halfway through the world tour ... I saw 2 consecutive gigs at Newcastle City Hall ( UK ) .

[@timetraveller9321]

Bill wards image is on the back of the album he played on it and started to tour with it

[@EdwinCannistraci]

13 👎🏼

[@thrashingjedi72]

Rubin sucks now but didnt back then because he got bands in their prime and he didnt have to do anything. its not a thing anymore because rock n metal is dead for big productions.

[@mikekeeler6362]

They should record a new album with Bill Ward on drums and that would be a great ending for the band

[@richardhincemon]

Not happening Mike just a dream from delusional fans Sabbath as a recording and touring band is finished R.I.P. ! Thought you wanted a new Tony Iommi solo album which is realistic why waste time with a dreaming about the past. Cheers Mike 😊

[@journeyintothebible]

13 was a very weak album.

[@fraternachash6015]

I was disappointed by this album. I was the man who paid for it, not played on it. It was weak and the product of old men that can't hack it, so they fake it. Weak songs.... this nostalgia crap needs to die already

[@matthewajello1299]

I do like god is dead tho…

[@angusorvid8840]

The only Rick Rubin albums I could ever get into are Danzig's early efforts. Otherwise, I find Rick Rubin extremely overrated and lazy.

[@None888.]

13 sucks

[@BaggeyTrowsers-w2n]

He USED to be good, for sure

[@johndiamond4088]

I think 13 is the weakest album too Forbidden was beter

[@davidmontgomery5047]

Rubin isWAY over rated ,Does He know anything about Music ? He seems like a Uru or Motivational Speaker .

[@javiercojoba]

Yo! "Show us on the doll where did '13' touched you" LOL You really dedicate a lot of time talking about an album you hate!

[@almosthuman56]

And you are right here to watch it. Where were you touch to be so into negativity?

[@Adept179]

Rick Rubin is a hack. A producer is supposed to do quality control on the engineering process. Instead he sits on his ass and pontificates to the musicians. When in fact he’s the wall between letting defective product hitting the shelves do to poor engineering like Death Magnetic the worst sounding album of all time. Rubin should have lost his entire career after Death Magnetic.

[@johnlonczynski3948]

I have never agreed with you more!! I have been saying this for years. You can literally sing the old songs over the songs on 13. Complete garbage. Rubin made what could have been a great Metallica record, Death Magnetic, made the guitar tone so thin. Like they were usi g Telecasters. Awful.

[@josephgiordano5149]

Loner. NIB