gen z and alpha are ruining kpop

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0:00 disclaimer and intro
0:51 why make this video
4:51 oppressed vs oppressor
8:17 the obsession with trauma
12:25 scary world syndrome
16:02 inability to regulate emotions
19:17 how to deal with k-pop stans these days
20:45 conclusion
21:28 outro

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@everglowup 5 ай бұрын

hey 😉

@MariaMagano-zw1dl 5 ай бұрын

Hey hey 👋

@edvaedan9161 5 ай бұрын

Now do movies, tv series, video games…😂

@AathmajaS 5 ай бұрын

hey🤭

@enfisk 5 ай бұрын

@LovelyLara123 5 ай бұрын

Hiiii

@blossxma 5 ай бұрын

I am a Gen Z girl (born 2007), and personally, I just don't interact with the fandom. I simply listen to the music and look up news regarding the group, but I don't interact the fandom.

@ana-xx6tn 5 ай бұрын

Honestly I never get why its so important to interact with the fandom

@blossxma 5 ай бұрын

@@ana-xx6tn I understand. As someone who has AuDHD (ADHD + Autism), it makes us feel happy to interact with a people who also have the same interests and such. But honestly, if you're neurodivergent and in those spaces, you tend to get made fun of more so it's better to not interact with the fandom period

@sage.81 5 ай бұрын

I was also born in 2007 and I normally don't voice my opinions online

@ana-xx6tn 5 ай бұрын

@@blossxma I agree it's fun to interact with people who have the same interests as you but it's stop being fun the moment that you should explain yourself for every word you said even though must of them are not something that you should be ashamed for then but somehow people made you feel this

@kiwiipeachii8980 5 ай бұрын

@@sage.81 Is youtube glitching or did you post the same comment 30 times?

@riybe4226 5 ай бұрын

I’d say the victimization narrative is what scares me the most. K-pop was essentially established and supported by fans obsessing over “mistreated, poor, weak, needs to be protected” idols and groups. The biggest k-band in the world became so by virtue of an underdog narrative that they’re desperately trying to keep running even now. Idols like Wonyoung, Jennie, Jungkook have been hated for years just because the fans made them the “privileged bad guys” to the “victims” aka their respective group members like Lisa, Jimin etc. With the lack of emotional regulation or critical thinking in K-pop fans nowadays I’m worried what will happen to newer groups when they’ll start gaining unequal (it’s inevitable and actually fair) popularity. I hope one day K-pop fans will stop projecting and obsessing over achievements and start appreciating the artistry and music instead.

@LaurenPebble 5 ай бұрын

What scares me most about this is that they wouldn’t just have this mentality with kpop but with everything in life.

@riybe4226 5 ай бұрын

@@LaurenPebbleyeah, it’s crazy really.

@kiki13451 5 ай бұрын

I was just talking about this. Same with Giselle. Like you have idols who have done something that rightfully made people upset (like Jennie and the lazy dancing - not gonna speak on that but I have my opinions, Giselle said the n word and mocked some culture dance, wonyoung didn’t DO anything herself it’s not necessarily HER fault but the wonyoungism gotta stop, even Heeseung who said the n word (allegedly I guess)) and fans start to not really like them, BUT then people see that as a gateway to send hate. Like me personally, most people I saw body shaming and HATING Giselle (not critiquing her lack of skills or saying they just don’t like her) were NOT black. A lot of black Stans were making jokes about heeseung and his looks (which isn’t right but..) but most of the hate that I saw was from non black people. A lot of people didn’t like the Jennie thing and a lot of people that I saw (including me) that were giving real reason why to not care about Jennie after that were professional/former professional dancers/performers. Other people saw it as a gateway to send hate. And it grew and grew. I def think girls get more backlash than males but that flood gate opened. With Giselle, I honestly think the company is doing it on purpose. Sometimes she’s dressed differently from the whole group, but I’ve seen a lot of MYs LOOKING for issues. “Omg Giselle is so hated and unappreciated she’s behind Karina in this photo!” ??? Jennie looks down in an interview and all of a sudden she’s depressed and suicidal? And you have to get the comparisons between her and sulli same with Giselle (I am deadass sICK of those-like why are you trying to…speak a suicide into existence??)) Like you said they used to be privileged bad guys. Jennie was the ace and that made her privileged. Wonyoung was the center of izone at a young age. Privileged. Giselle barely trained and got to debut. Privileged. Heeseung ace so he’s privileged. But now people see them as these victims and that’s not to say they can’t be depressed or something because they DO get a lot of hate. I had ten people come for me online and had an anxiety attack. I couldn’t imagine thousands or millions. But people try to look for any and everything to prove that these people are depressed, suicidal, anxiety ridden, shaken and mistreated when it’s anything but. They could zone out and someone is screaming that people need to leave them alone because they’re thinking about what if they didn’t exist..like what? Like they want EVERYONE to be a victim. And with the last part. Are there people that don’t like bts or try to discredit them? Yes. That’s not the majority at all. But some fans try to make them out to be victims and make it seem like they crawled from hell to achieve success and in the same breath rub their achievements in everyone’s face (which from my experience most people don’t like the group bcuz of fans, not because of the group themselves). Same with blackpink, even same with exo bcuz older exol goes crazy. Like some kpop fans can’t just…✨exist✨. They have to compare, they have to victimize, they have to terrorize, they have to brag, and they have to make SOMEONE an underdog and it’s ridiculous

@real-jz3so 5 ай бұрын

the fact that people assumed that liz got only six seconds to sing just because she weights a little more than other members says a lot about them...

@ilikeeatingrice7023 5 ай бұрын

the thing that baffled me was that kitsch was a pre-release song, it wasn't even the title track, essentially a b-side, it was already established that another song was coming and it was entirely possible that liz could get more lines in that, and yet people were already preaching justice for liz, and turns out, she get plenty of lines in i am

@kitkat2713 5 ай бұрын

The thing is, Starship definitely made that line distribution with a purpose, but it wasn’t to “oppress Liz” or whatever. It was to make fans mad and get the group clout, which, let’s face it, it did.

@Lia-0888 5 ай бұрын

18:11 THIS. As an American and a gen Z I am so tired of people that are entitled to think the western ideologies are the only “educated” way of thinking and somehow everyone else is behind or smaller.

@notaspeck6104 5 ай бұрын

That would be a great point of view if people didn't use it to justify things like colourism in kpop and pass everything off as 'well it's a hoMoGenOus society' (not American btw).

@michealdeangelo7452 5 ай бұрын

@@notaspeck6104And here you are condescendingly talking down on Koreans. Way to prove OP correct.

@byulharangforlife 5 ай бұрын

@@michealdeangelo7452 i come from a society where colorism exists and it is still bad. stop acting like our boomers who call progress "westernized"

@enoyna9495 5 ай бұрын

@@michealdeangelo7452 how is that condescending? do you know what that word means? you're one of those kpop fans who thinks koreans do no wrong, lame

@enoyna9495 5 ай бұрын

could you elaborate on this? most people who use this argument use it to defend racism, colorism, etc

@shamidkpzd 5 ай бұрын

The lack of boundaries and lack of emotional regulation is so real. As both a teacher and kpop fan it’s been a struggle.

@DumiNihi 5 ай бұрын

I've been a kpop stan for almost 10 years now(joined in 2015). Watching the downgrade in enjoyment and sense of community has honestly been depressing

@LaurenPebble 5 ай бұрын

2013 fan here and I totally agree

@julissavalencia1751 5 ай бұрын

Yes! I started listening in 2010 and it used to be SO fun. Not just the interactions between fans, but ones between the fans/ idols and between the idols themselves Music was made because it was their passion and for mostly enjoyment. Everything has become full on consumerism and popularity contests

@moonies321 5 ай бұрын

Also a 2015 kpop fan here and same. It's so sad to see the community become so sensitive over anything and make anything an issue. Instead of enjoying the artist music and performances, people are now just arguing and fighting over anything. I find myself through time spend less and lesser time interacting with the fandoms and now just enjoy the music, performances and contents by myself

@inserthandlename7 5 ай бұрын

I've been a kpop fan since 2013, and I have to agree. Idek if I should continue calling myself one bc I pretty much gave up on the kpop fangirl life and just sticked with listening to the music only and sometimes buying merch.

@luolique. 5 ай бұрын

@@inserthandlename7 you can still call yourself a fan but ignore the fandom

@aeblink1332 5 ай бұрын

i’m in the middle of gen z (2004) and it honestly baffles me that teenagers who are only a couple of years younger than me and some adults who are older than me act this way. i get it life is tough and kpop isn’t always sunshine and rainbows but that isn’t an excuse to throw a tantrum and take everything so personally. it actually scares me how people see idols as extensions of themselves because they make kpop their whole world. go outside, touch grass and make some real friends because those idols you worship are not your besties or your boyfriends/girlfriends, they are entertainers and while they might put up with this bullshit for the sake of money and admiration, the real world certainly does not edit: did not know when my generation started or ended, the comments have corrected me

@yummyeon 5 ай бұрын

agree with your comment but 2004 is on the younger side of gen Z, or at least middle part even if you think it started in 1998 and not 1995 like it is in fact.

@IVEstarshipp 5 ай бұрын

⁠@@yummyeonyup [its mostly said 1997 is the official start date of genz] [MID GENZ 15 divided by 2 = 7.5 years] 1997 - early start 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 [.5] - mid 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 - late end but yeah 5 years ago, kpop fans werent that toxic as before. i would say this time period is almost the same as generation 1. as they both share the same crazy toxic energy.

@yummyeon 5 ай бұрын

@@IVEstarshipp what 😭 2010 is already a reach but 2011 and 2012 liners can't even apply to the gen Z def, since social media really blew up in 2009, and internet has been democratized for everyone (social class) in mid 2000. so these people didn't even knew the world before internet. which is the whole point of being a genZ. they were born directly with that ipad in the hand, rare are the kids born in these years that grew up outside. 95/96 hags (affectuous) were the first gen to enter in high school in the social media era that's why they're genZ too and not millenial. it differ a bit if your country wasn't develloped well during that era so the internet experience for the kids there are not at the same era, but for westerners (which is who we talk in the video) it's 95-2009 (included), worldwidely you're right it's probably start in 97 or 98 but even in the most recluded shithole on the planet 2011liners were born with a phone on their hand, even if it's like a blackberry it doesn't make them gen Z

@IVEstarshipp 5 ай бұрын

@@yummyeon nah search it up. almost every article says those years

@yummyeon 5 ай бұрын

@@IVEstarshipp nope. search the clear definition of a genZ, not at which moment it did start, because we don't talk in amount of articles, there's litterally people out there thinking 2019 liner or 1990 liner are genZ, yet it doesn't make it TRUE. also as i said, we talk here about western genZ on the internet, not yemenite genZ or armenian genZ. trust me any 95 liner in a western country HAD access to the internet young enough to make some myspace/ skyblog embarassment that will forever rotting their digital footprint. if your fellow countrymens 95/96 liners were numerically delayed and are corny and behave like millenials (example clc sorn from thailand) then yeah 1) they're millenials af 2) and it's 100% because the internet wave kick in too late, just proving the point of having a clear definition, any generation who didn't grew up WITH the internet ISNT a genZ, the same goes for the one that are born AFTER the internet boom and that have all their childhood pics numerized, an ipad at 5, their mother who puts youtube videos on her phone to keep them quiet, talking about some influencer/ a youtube video/ some tiktokers in the elementary school playground, this isn't a genz experience. however, this is a typical gen alpha thing, gen alpha =people who are born with internet directly evolved. soon they'll probably be another gen for people who will grow and see the IA evolve. that's how generations works and why they are used too. what is even the point if there's no definitions, i can create my own generations then ! here's how i see things : 1990 and older= superhag ,1990-2002 = hag, 2003 = useless, 2004-2006 = hag part 2 , 2007-2010 = at their prime now so hag in the making, 2011-2015 = ador new group, 2016-2020 = ador trainees, 2020 and up = not hag

@kkuragaira 5 ай бұрын

gen z are obsessed with looking for oppression when there's none yet are choosing to ignore actual problems and oppressions in real world. sometimes i think we're done as humanity

@jadesweetbutton 5 ай бұрын

They will actively harm idols already going through so much and then turn around and call their over privileged idols oppressed.

@ludofratta2328 5 ай бұрын

As a gen z, I hate how some of my gen and younger are really getting out of hand with some opinions or taking everything as a personal attack

@ruoqifang 5 ай бұрын

this is definitely a problem over kpop. The parents of these young people need to set boundaries with their child. Gentle parenting literally turned into permissive parenting. The Sephora/Drunk elephant issue is proof of that. I understand that parents are tired and with this society and capitalism, it is almost impossible to find time to spend with your kid, but there are healthier ways to occupy your child instead of shoving them ipads in their faces

@gyal7892 5 ай бұрын

please stop associating gentle parenting with permissive parenting theyre different :( and are meant to be

@ruoqifang 5 ай бұрын

@@gyal7892 yes I know I was saying they are claiming to do gentle parenting, but it was actually permissive parenting. It is definitely different

@AA-ed6ek 5 ай бұрын

You people and your need to always mention capitalism. You're no different. Let me guess you're from the West?

@ruoqifang 5 ай бұрын

@@AA-ed6ek yes, I just mentioned a fact I observed

@heartcatchprecure 5 ай бұрын

@@AA-ed6ek kinda hard not to mention it when it infects every aspect of our society but okay einstein

@zimaviridis 5 ай бұрын

kids going online wouldn't be a problem if they were actually taught how I'm 21 and I've been on the web since I was 7 under my dad's guidance, at 9 he got me my own laptop because he thought I was responsible enough (I still had my older sister watching over me but it was still a big step for me), critical thinking and media literacy was heavily taught in primary and middle school all of this taught me how to step back and analyze what's in front of me before saying something about it

@notaspeck6104 5 ай бұрын

Internet literacy is so important, I'm 18 and I've never had an issue with being on the internet. Partly because I got a little lucky, and things like tik tok weren't around when I was super young. But partly because I was raised in an environment that valued education and critical thinking. Honestly this is why school/education is so important in a society, I seriously believe this sort of stuff (doing research, analysing sources etc) should become part of the curriculum for younger grades.

@jadesweetbutton 5 ай бұрын

It's mainly your demographic though. It's the 20 something year olds

@Y0ungF0reVeR412 5 ай бұрын

The victim mindset, "self centredness", lack of media literacy all of them cooked together in a big pot & was given to kpop stans ( not all) I loved the video The editing is cool

@tiasaywhat 5 ай бұрын

As a teacher in SF Cali, this is totally true. These kids are not learning and really don’t know anything. They are being moved forward while being behind. Their parents coddle them but at the same time aren’t giving them life skills or knowledge. It’s so sad to see rn

@anthony-6989 5 ай бұрын

Do u put kids into K-pop?

@tiasaywhat 5 ай бұрын

@@anthony-6989 huh?

@katehvalica1621 5 ай бұрын

Oh. My. God. Yes. Heavy on the the trauma portion of this video!! As a young Gen Z, I cannot tell you how many times I've seen people relate everything back to their trauma. There is a time and place for venting and it shouldn't involve their favourite idols. We all have our insecurities and shortcomings, but that doesn't mean projecting them onto everything and anything. Also, love your videos Cheryl!:)

@Aura_3568 5 ай бұрын

Now this is a funny coincidence, Just a few days ago, me and my friend (both GenZ 2007 and 2006) had a similar conversation about trauma obsession, scary world syndrome and the inability of people to control their emotions and how this is connected to entitlement and wanting power and control over everything. We both had discussions on general data and past encounters of such peoples ( one of them being my Ex, who was obsessed with trauma and even wrote about it) Based on personal experience, what this video discussed is a true situation that people are facing these days. Everyone is obsessed over trauma and cries about just to be coodled about it. Especially K-Pop fans who are so used to seeing things wrong and crying about it that when things are not wrong, they have complaints about it. Everything needs to be exactly like their silly dystopian world, where everybody gets what that person wants. Impractical. My friend and I ended up concluding things to narcissistic behaviour, bad parents and lack of knowledge/patience to listen to the full information. Other points that I might wanna add to this will be: 1. The need of today's generation to feel relatable/ different. This stems from trauma obsession. These people are so obsessed trauma that they will cry about it every single time they are not seemed as relatable enough. They scream about their bad experiences go random stranger on internet. Those who wanna seem different, do the same shit. But everytime they are seemed relatable, they start the rant on how they finally are starting to fit into the society and how they are always seems different. Some special breeds get offended when they are related to, since they are obsessed with being seen as different than others. 2. The need for attention 24/7. It is similar to the poin above. But this one stems from inability to control emotions. Some stan just want attention. No matter if the situation even applied to them or if they even have the complete available information on the topic. They all are just looking for attention. Some people look for attention with half opinions. Some by creating drama themselves. ( BTS forever and El gato ---) Attention is their way of having power over others.

@lunarlino 5 ай бұрын

As a Gen-Z, I absolutely agree with what you said about oppression and trauma. While yes, oppression is a real issue, so many people make it an issue in situations where it just isn’t. I’ve seen people online imply that an idol drinking Starbucks is just as bad as the actions of IDF. When it comes to trauma, it’s insane how entitled some of these people are to make literally everything about themselves. Traumadumping is NOT cool.

@juratory8876 5 ай бұрын

I'm not a fan of K-pop, but I feel for some of these idols and groups. I learned about how people were attacking Doyoung for doing an ad campaign with McDonald's and mass unfollowing him because he supposedly "supported genocide". It's ridiculous. A lot of these young K-pop fans are showing how terminally online they are.

@enoyna9495 5 ай бұрын

@@juratory8876 this is a horrendous take. endorsing a company that is currently funding genocide is actually very bad, believe it or not.

@mohsinAli-hq1nd 5 ай бұрын

@@juratory8876it kinda is though?

@Batool-lp4cv 5 ай бұрын

@@juratory8876 when you choose to do an ad campaign for a company that is publicly sending meals for a military that is currently murdering children left and right then yes it's gonna look bad especially when it's clearly a way for the company to control the damage caused by an ongoing global boycott

@juratory8876 5 ай бұрын

@@enoyna9495 Even if he didn't know, attacking him ain't it, chief. My god, y'all as K-pop stans are terminally online lol

@Elizabeth-bj3zz 5 ай бұрын

A few things: -I’m surprised you didn’t mention how the pandemic effected gen Z/alpha, because these kids missed out on hugely formative years of socializing and education. The chance to do things like sports, the arts, clubs-things that help kids form their own identities-was ripped away from them, leading many to make hobbies like kpop their only personality trait (ironically, I think if these kids had had the chance to do choir or dance or theatre and appreciate what really goes into honing performance skills and putting on a show, I think they might have more grace for idols) -seeing things through the lens of oppression isn’t inherently wrong, as the world as we know it now was literally built on colonialism. The trouble is how unwilling these kids are to examine their own biases-conservatism doesn’t just exist in Korea, it certainly exists everywhere. If you can accept your own country has a wide variety of people, many of whom don’t subscribe to conservative ideas, why can’t you think the same about Korea? It ends up being like “rules for thee, not for me” that the boomers who preach “””family values””” while cheating on their wives love so much. (See also: kpop fans acting like fandoms are actual marginalized groups. No, army’s are not being oppressed by the wider kpop community. Try again)

@saintnicole3209 5 ай бұрын

i love this comment and as an educator you're so right to bring up the pandemic's effect on gen alpha and genZ social lives. these kids missed formative years of school and socialization where their only options WERE the internet. even school was moved online!

@thenameisseanhong 5 ай бұрын

Seeing the world through the lens of oppression is inherently wrong, as it doesn't allow anyone to move on. Yes we should take action when actual injustices happen, but our overly sensitive generation has severely misused the word "oppression" to the point of it meaning nothing. I'm an Indonesian, a nation which was colonised by the Portuguese, the Spaniards, the Dutch (for 350+ years!), and the Japanese. Most of us cannot afford to (and do not) see the world through the lens of oppression because as a developing country, that way of thinking will just hinder ACTUAL progress/development from happening and cause more divisiveness (and we are already divisive enough as it is). Instead we learn our history at elementary, middle, and primary school, and leave it at there. No, I'm not a Ben Shapiro fan.

@zeroSEA 5 ай бұрын

interesting video! its definitely quite something how some kpop fans claim to be so concerned for kpop idols, to a point where they pick out any instance where they are "mistreated", and sometimes it can get out of hand. Like a situation at KCON LA where some fans were literally trying to find a person they thought said something rude to ZB1’s Matthew at the meet and greet, based on a clip posted to twitter. The fans searched and posted their face and wishing someone would find them at the convention and beat them up. And it turns outs the person was actually a fan of Matthew’s and posted proof that they told Matthew that they voted for him in boys planet, so the clip posted was out of context. While people did apologize, some added “well you can’t blame us for being so protective of Matthew.” …. Like it’s crazy that fans’ behaviors can get almost as scrutinize as the idols’

@angelelelelalalalalelae 5 ай бұрын

kpop stan’s make me livid, they have so much anger and resentment which they will take any chance to project onto others. i wish people spent even a fraction of that energy into real problems or showing support for their idols.

@Yoest.1 5 ай бұрын

The point you made about oppressed vs oppresser was well said kpop fans nowadays (especially western fans) try make things political in kpop when it doesn’t need to be. I’ve just come to the conclusion that those fans bring up these political/controversial topics because they see it as opportunity to trauma dump.

@maarshiexcryxx 5 ай бұрын

the whole narrative of "opressed" is legit the most scary for me. Idol has less lines? "Opressed". Idol has worse outfit? "Opressed". I dont get that point of view. They are SO entitled to believe that X is opressed that they often go and bully the "opressor" Y. Like, this legit make THEM the opressor and the opressor of Y. And when idol is actually opressed, they dont give a crap. They see just what they want to see, not what is happenning.

@Sunny_Mooon 5 ай бұрын

I don't think people understand how dangerous permissive parenting is... Is literally under the umbrela of abusive parenting.

@akino89 5 ай бұрын

One thing that i think people overlook are the effects of the pandemic on social development milestones as well as school it took a little over 2 years for everyone to get back to normal so if you think about it, it lines up with being on the 4th grade level right around 7th grade yes there are other factors more than likely but it's not like these kids had a childhood like we had

@P1eceful_Tomorrow 5 ай бұрын

YES! I’ve worked in education and this is exactly what we theorised. I worked in a college library and we had 16 year old students thinking it’s ok to unplug a PC to charge their phone WITHOUT CHECKING IF ANYONE WAS USING IT. WE HAD TEN PC’s AND THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS HOW IS THIS OK?

@gingersummer4005 5 ай бұрын

I have to agree with you on this, I was in 6th grade when the pandemic hit, so definitely older than 4th grade and a bit more mature, but when I look back now as a High schooler I can really see how having no true ability to get out and socialize with people offline really affected how I dealt with interpersonal disagreements. I'm STILL trying to get to a reasonable point for my age and it definitely gets embarrassing. But I can really only work on myself now and hope that I'll get there soon.

@Florence22852 5 ай бұрын

As a gen Z teen, I love your take on this. So glad to have the parents I do to teach me right values as a kid. Love your videos. ♥

@ellentroyer9864 5 ай бұрын

Whether I agree with your opinions or disagree, I 100% respect you. You carry yourself with great intelligence and maturity and I find it so inspiring! You’re definitely one of the best k-tubers because you keep it real with no b.s. or sugarcoating. This was a great assessment ❤

@ShootingStarStudio 5 ай бұрын

Speaking to the obsession with trauma: I don’t walk around and make a big deal about being a childhood SA survivor. Our life experiences shape who we are as human beings. It did help shape me into who I am today, but so did a ton of other things. I’m much better off focusing on those other things, particularly the positive ones, than I am focusing on the negative.

@chuu553 5 ай бұрын

First of all, the butterfly asthetic is such a mood Cheryl, it's super pretty. 🦋 Second: i'm sorry but i need to say this, my generation is obsessed with making storms in half full glasses of water. And trust me, i've been there and done that, and everytime i remember some of the things i've done i'm like: Gurl your parents weren't ideal, but they did raise you better than this, be self aware and do better if you want a chance to making it on this world. Now to end this long a$$ comment (i'm sorry 👉👈), here are some examples of the Oppresor vs. Oppresion that i've lived, so ppl can analyze if they're truly oppresion or ppl are being dramatic: - A guy danced Dally on a dance cover event in all family event and he said that his freedom of expression was being tarnished. - A girl in my college was using a mini skirt, and several techers were telling her that she didn't need to dress like that. Mind you my college doesn't have dress code. - A young couple were being rude to my friend (which she's a waitress) and when they asked why their food was being taking so long, she faced them and told them their 4 things on their faces and THEY got upset.

@fatimagarthia 5 ай бұрын

I'll also say, the new generations of teachers is also TERRIBLE. Like, it's terrifying how terrible they are, how bad they are at teaching and how little they care about the kids and actually helping educate them. I'm a millenial and I don't have kids, but I do have a brother who is in primary school and I've been an active part of his education. His teachers give his class TIKTOK HOMEWORK (yep, as in homework that requires them to either watch or make tiktoks), encourage them to use social media, play trap and >dirty lyrics< music whenever there's a school event, make spelling mistakes CONSTANTLY (and wrongly correct kids when they do spell correctly at times) and teach them things that are objectively wrong (such as dolphins and whales being fish and not mammals)... I've literally been terrified for years, hoping he wouldn't take on these influences.

@beomgrunge768 5 ай бұрын

Not only millennials raise those types of kids. My mom was born in 1972 but has ADHD, depression, anxiety, dyslexia and also a lot of trauma bc of Soviet Unions system and I just want you to imagine how hard it can be to grow up in this environment. Imagine your mom being the one who throws tantrums, constantly yelling and even hitting you or just playing/ being the parent 24/7 at only 16. Sometimes K-pop (any hobby / interest actually) is the only thing we have to feel like ourselves

@izumiuchiha9215 5 ай бұрын

I’m a gen z 1999 got into K-pop in 2013 I got called I’m to old to listen to stray kids when I’m the same age as them

@youknownothingjonsnow4821 5 ай бұрын

It's not just millennials its gen x too that have been raising these kids, and teenagers that are so extreme that I have forced myself away from kpop social media. It's so bad that you can not complement your fav singer or dancer without it turing into a competition on who is better oh and how your dumb because their favs that are "better". Can't I just state that I like someone without it turning into a battle? Ffs

@d.s.19 5 ай бұрын

People say they join fandom to relax and be happy, get away from their problems. BS. Most bring and amplify their problems in fandom.

@AUGHHHHHBBG 5 ай бұрын

As late gen z, i will say I have done some of these things myself and trying to be better but it’s seriously so insane to me the way people will harass idols over not agreeing with everyone else will always confuse me. I have disagreed with idols but I don’t understand the harassment like just don’t support the idol. Also for bullying scandals I serious need kpop Stan’s to stop picking sides then harassing the “oppressors” by BULLYING THEM cus they are allegedly a bully. I’m still not over garam situation cus that showed so many kpop Stan’s being fake as fuck cus Stan’s who wrote thousands of hate comments under pictures of garam deleted them all then filed with “i miss you” “I always believed you” etc

@solbug 4 ай бұрын

you said “woke tiktok” and that told me exactly where youre getting your points and opinions from. kinda embarrassing to align anything you say with alt right politicians

@olaonuoha9419 4 ай бұрын

Let her have her opinions. You have yours. Nobody can 100 percent think like you. Agree to disagree.

@JazyyWazyy 4 ай бұрын

i love how bad yall arguments are that when anyone argues with you all you can ever reply is "agree to disagree" or "ITS JUST MY OPINION!!" and then also complain about echo chambers or people unwilling to engage in coversation with you, despite the fact your goal in that "conversation" is for them to submit to your world views :(@@olaonuoha9419

@olaonuoha9419 3 ай бұрын

What about alt left? So no one’s opinions can differ from yours? Gotcha.

@ibrahimabarry4937 5 ай бұрын

The comment section is kinda proving her point though. A lot of virtue signaling and of "I'm Gen Z and I hAtE uS ToO".

@phoebep4688 5 ай бұрын

As a gen Z, I really appreciate you putting a name to these issues. A lot of my classmates and peers deal with these issues but they are never vocalized or talked about. Being able to put a name to these issues is important because that’s the only way we can move towards a solution. Thank you for this.

@JazyyWazyy 4 ай бұрын

the way you're so confidently saying absolutely nothing is kinda inspiring

@olaonuoha9419 3 ай бұрын

You’re saying nothing. She makes valid points and you’re just being valid to be so.

@cristinacristescu1173 2 ай бұрын

The way you're so confidently proving her point is *chef's kiss*

@JazyyWazyy 2 ай бұрын

@@cristinacristescu1173 and how am i doing that lol

@whatskpoppingg 2 ай бұрын

ur def gen alpha

@JazyyWazyy 2 ай бұрын

@@whatskpoppingg if it helps you sleep at night

@luv-like.a.papercut 5 ай бұрын

oh my gooodddd i feel that oppression thing so much. like every now and then when i log into twitter i see the tt and its always " x company treat y better". lately, i've been seeing people complaining about lee know from skz not having enough lines in i can't even remember what song when most skz releases are very even when it comes to distribution. some stays even called me an anti because i wasn't going along with their "boycott".

@via45 5 ай бұрын

They are really so mysogenistic too against certain girls and it grinds my gears.

@gregtaylor9806 24 күн бұрын

You missed the entire point of the video 😂

@scentedlips 5 ай бұрын

as a member of gen z, thank you for making this video. that type of behavior from kpop stans is widespread and you summarized the causes and everything perfectly ❤️

@anarecinos1590 5 ай бұрын

I agree with the bullying scandal reactions. I think that some people really think that the accuser is right and THEY HAVE TO be right. Which to me feels like they are reflecting that THEY always want to be right. I don't understand how people can do that; with bullying there is no right or wrong. There are only facts and the bullied and bully are the only ones who know what is true and what is not.

@NFKTN 5 ай бұрын

that is why I am glad that I have avoided places where the fandom goes like twt, its like entering a diff dimension in there lol

@julissavalencia1751 5 ай бұрын

Yea twt is a no for me😂 I dont want to go anywhere near it from what I’ve heard😂

@P1eceful_Tomorrow 5 ай бұрын

Just finished the video, two points: 1. I’m unsure if the issue is that toxic fans can’t regulate their emotions but more that they have no filter and a strong sense of justice and not like general justice, their personal definition of justice. I really struggle to regulate my emotions or understand other people’s but if I disagree with a KZbinrs take I don’t be rude in the comments because I have a filter. 2. The strong sense of justice I mentioned before I think also explains the jumping on any idol or actor that gets accused of bullying. Some stans really do have a saviour complex. I work with young gen z and gen alpha closely as I’m a youth worker. Bulling isn’t about hero’s and villains, there is often misunderstandings and sometimes it’s really hard to figure out who’s in the right AS AN ADULT. This is a hot take but I think bullying really needs to be humanised as it’s a thing that humans do to one another that is complex that people need to understand. I recommend the movie A Silent Voice as It’s from the POV of a bully. AMAZING VIDEO AS ALWAYS ❤❤

@dongysakura418 5 ай бұрын

I think there’s a difference between bullying and teasing. For instance I was bullied and a bully tried to doxx to my other bullies. I just one day she had followed my home or had been watching my dad upkeep our house. That in no way should be humanized. She should must definitely should have been addressed by higher authority and punished with detention so that behavior would not be encouraged.

@P1eceful_Tomorrow 5 ай бұрын

@@dongysakura418 humanising the behaviour doesn’t mean encouraging it, it means instead of just punishing people for being bullies and shunning them, we acknowledge why people become bullies and support them in changing. People do not become bullies for no reason, it can be to do with a persons upbringing, out of fear, and in a lot cases be an extreme state of boredom, which is a sign of depression. There is often a pack mentality with bullies, they try to impress each other to maintain social status. And many more complex reasons. Some bullies don’t realise their behaviour was bullying till years later because bullying and teasing may be two different things, it’s a surprising easy line to cross. Sadly the kids I work with could definitely follow someone home ‘for a laugh’. I’m sorry that happened to you, it must of been scary, but keep in mind that they are likely doing this because they are behind in their emotional development. I’m autistic and was bullied a lot. After a while I just thought ‘Poor thing, they must be so insecure’ ‘Poor things they are trying so hard to be cool’ they are hard to take seriously after that X 😂

@dongysakura418 5 ай бұрын

@@P1eceful_Tomorrow I did not expound upon ‘a bully being addressed by a higher authority’. Usually a mature higher authority would reprimand and discipline the bully along with informing them why their behavior was not appropriate along with possibly talking to parents. I think our generation does a lot with sympathizing with people who deserve punishment or in even extreme situations, jail time because of them committing actual crimes ie the success with shows ‘YOU’ and the obsession with serial killers and dark fantasy plots (which is nothing specific to our generation). It is possible to see someone as a human, understand their pathology and psychology and also for them to face the consequences of their actions. I used to be someone who believed that were better things than punishments until had a conversation with some psychopaths who appreciate punishments and consequences (ie detention or jail) otherwise they would have committed an act, regardless of if it was wrong or right. It helped steer them right. A lot of bad behavior can be addressed if it is called out and not condoned and can be begin a positive conversation of change. But btw I agree with you and I wanted to elaborate. I just hating writing out long responses. I eventually moved because the bullying continued to get worst.

@P1eceful_Tomorrow 5 ай бұрын

@@dongysakura418 I don’t watch crime dramas, I work with young people, it’s my job. I deal with bullying, physical fights and child exploitation and have lots of experience. I don’t really understand what school bullying has to do with fictional serial killers. Are people simping for a serial killer? And just to be clear I’m not saying bullies shouldn’t be punished. Of course they should! I’m saying they shouldn’t JUST be punished and for effort to be put in to understand why they are acting that way. I hope your time at the new school was better ❤

@itsgreywind 5 ай бұрын

What is really interesting is that if you go outside the United States, the situation can be really different. Like, really, really different. So It's really uncomfortable to see how much 'noise' Gen Z/Alpha from USA does to K-pop international fandoms. It feels like everything has to be their way, or it's the wrong way. It's as if some people forget that you can grow up with different views, with very different cultures and approaches to social interactions with artists doing their job. That being said, I still feel conflicted when it comes to this topic. While I feel that it's great that we can talk more about different social issues, and we can be more open-minded regarding mental health issues, etc I do agree with the fact that now, EVERYTHING is traumatic, everything is a trauma episode, a trauma response, etc. So many normal things have been attached to the idea of trauma that it's beginning to lose all meaning.

@mimiCutiePie 5 ай бұрын

I have never agreed with a video more. My interpretation of this video is that the main problem with Gen Z and Alpha is that they think that their opinion is superior. K-pop has turned into a constant debate about good and evil and the music doesn’t necessarily mean as much as it used to. The one thing that confused me the most though is their mindsets with bulling accusations. For K-pop idols it’s always guilty until proven innocent never innocent until proven guilty. Love your vids btw❤

@naevisual 5 ай бұрын

ppl are so defensive over idols like wendy of reve literally said like a couple days ago that she wanted fans to stop sending trucks to sm's building... she literally said "stop stop! don't worry, we have power!" like what she's saying basically goes against all fans thinking that idols are "weak and need protection"... like let's remember MOST of these idols are grown, they can probably make choices for themselves at some degree.

@pixelpudding3914 5 ай бұрын

“Someone not seeing things through the western ideologies, especially social Justice issues does not make them educated” THIS RIGHT HERE HOLY SHIT, main character syndrome is the REAL pandemic omfg

@pixelpudding3914 5 ай бұрын

Currently waiting for someone to say me making a JOKE about the pandemic is offensive lol

@AmberSweetPea 5 ай бұрын

Omfg I'm a fan of yours, 100% subbing. From this video to the Hyuna video, I'm sold. Even if I end up disagreeing with you on something, I'm a fan.....because 1). You can be a fan of something/someone without always agreeing with them. 2). It is SOOOOOO refreshing to hear a voice like this in the kpop world. Most modern kpop fans are so whiny, overattached, and sensitive af about everything. It's the main reason why I almost never view kpop news channels. But I'm definitely a fan of yours now!!

@mammamia013 5 ай бұрын

My cousin is an elementary school teacher and he’s always telling me about how draining it is trying to get the kids to listen. They don’t respect their teachers. They don’t pay attention in class. They’re more concerned about TikTok and consuming content than completing their work. They’re behind on their studies and aren’t going to be ready for middle school. Can’t imagine being in his shoes.

@itoo4884 5 ай бұрын

The way the amateur digital art community is going through the same thing, I-

@Chaetea_kpop 5 ай бұрын

YAY A WVERGLOW UP VID ON MY BIRTHDAYYYYY

@yourealizardharry1804 5 ай бұрын

happy birthday!

@everglowup 5 ай бұрын

Happy Birthday 🎂🎉

@tolanisimpson5360 5 ай бұрын

Happy birthday!!! I hope you have an amazing day!!🥳🥳🥳🎂🎂🎂

@Chaetea_kpop 5 ай бұрын

@@everglowupI just wanna say that your editing on this video is so good! I love the intro and outro it’s so iconic

@loneeggtt 5 ай бұрын

"I want problems always" - kpop stans

@aSUGAaddiction 5 ай бұрын

I've watched vids that you mentioned at the beginning and the number of parents saying it was the teachers' fault their child isn't learning was astounding. Like, no, it's the teacher, parents, and shockingly the kid's responsibility. The language used was disgusting. Im a '81 millennial and I love music and kpop has been such a joy and hobby in my life, but over the last 3-5 years, especially when BTS blew up, there has definitely been a switch in the tone of the fandoms.

@revechae 4 ай бұрын

i think comparing ahyeon taking a hiatus from baemon to the genocide in gaza is insanely tone deaf

@DannieT-qu8xn 5 ай бұрын

Very well said! I also think some people's reaction to the video you made about Hwasa is very telling of this. A lot of people see themselves in her because they might not fit into the 'beauty standards' and that has created an unhealthy obsession with her. They took any difference of opinion as a personal attack, and resulted to name calling to make themselves feel better.

@gyal7892 5 ай бұрын

its the way i lowkey lived these situations and feel them or seen them arounds. i really admire your eloquence cheryl!

@michaeeelaa1945 5 ай бұрын

This was a wonderful video as always! I myself haven't really been interacting with the kpop community much lately because i figured out it was just too unnecessarily stressful and i didn't really get anything positive from it but everything you said really resonates with me because it is as you mentioned a generational problem and not exclusively in the online kpop community. Also I want to mention that I love your channel! I don't watch kpop youtube channels, but yours is an exception! I always find your videos interesting to watch and think about.

@WooTwiceTeez 5 ай бұрын

I sort of agree as a mid-gen-Z (I am a 2004-liner, about to turn 20 in about a month from now). But just TMI: My younger brother who's Gen Alpha (he's 2014 btw) also initially struggled with reading, math and writing skills (since you brought up the tiktok video where a teacher revealed about students struggling with spelling, math and whatnot), but thankfully he improved quite a lot and that is shown during his final tests of Year 4. Mind you, unlike me and my twin siblings who don't struggle that much, my younger brother is a special case. And while my twin sisters (both 2008 liners) watched quite a lot of content in TikTok, they weren't behaving that bad. But they sometimes don't really know the details of what is going on in the world, and sometimes things happening in my country.

@d.s.19 5 ай бұрын

Btw. You need to make another video on Chan post Chan's room cancelation. I'd really like to hear your opinions.

@margot9368 5 ай бұрын

I'm a kpop fan since 2020 but I never got to the dark side of kpop until I witnessed wonyoung' s hate train. This girl can't even breathe without getting hate . And their reasons to hate shows how messed up gen z is 😒

@moonies321 5 ай бұрын

I know Kpop when I was like 11, officially became a kpop fan around 2016 when I stan BTS, Blackpink and i don't know if its because now im older and more aware but the kpop community just become messier and messier overtime. Kpop should simply be a place where you enjoy music, but now it got entangled with the mess and effects of social media, globalization, and politics. It became toxic, and yes suddenly everything is political, offensive. Kpop fans become so sensitive and ready to jump to conclusion with just one quick info online, and ready to blast their opinion like its a fact on full volume ready to start a war if anyone disagree. It's tiring and frustrated to see such negative transformation of this community. Ofcourse Kpop has a lof things and issues worth to have a discussion, but again it should be a healthy discussion with respect and proper research, not by making out an issue over anything you find. Kpop again is an industry, and idols again is just a job, they are not gods to worship, dolls for you to play however you want and expect to act how you like. It's not the end of the world if you don't like an idol anymore or if they have flaws. Don't be dramatic cause Kpop is not some pink fantasy that you should put your whole heart, soul and mental health in. It's not here to fix you. We should be spending more time in real life, issues that are serious should be addressed and taken seriously in reality, not to take it on social media then make it just to attacked and cancel someone that we do not know them enough to judge (you can criticize and have your opinion of them, but no need to spread hate to the point of pushing them in a corner and or like over a cliff, social media is not the supreme court and is not the right place to serve final justice or morals)

@peypeygirl 5 ай бұрын

I think you made some good points, but why would we expect children who were raised by the internet to have critical thinking skills? And it’s not like older generations aren’t emotionally inept bozos just because they didn’t have the internet. The oldest people in gen z are just reaching their mid 20’s and most of gen alpha haven’t even hit puberty yet, so what’s the purpose in making such snap judgements about a bunch of young people? Yes, people are annoying on the internet. When are we going to stop being surprised by that? I agree that it’s annoying that people speak on political issues without actually knowing what they’re talking about, but I understand it at the same time because the personal is political. Everything is political whether we want to see it or not. Even when a piece of media looks apolitical it is silently upholding the status quo, and as many of us can acknowledge the world has alot of problems, so upholding the status quo is a very political statement. I know people use kpop to check out of the real world’s problems, but having an escape is a luxury we’re not always going to have. It’s not politically neutral that they’re very few openly gay idols or that most of them get plastic surgery to get closer to beauty standards. Even the fact that fans feel so entitled to comment on their bodies good or bad is not politically neutral. Our ideas about what a a “good” body looks like versus a “bad” body doesn’t come from us organically, it’s something we’re shown through media. The atmosphere of fan culture didn’t get like this out of nowhere and I think it’s a little short sighted to act like politics and pop culture have nothing to do with each other even if pop culture often takes the appearance of being apolitical.

@gregtaylor9806 24 күн бұрын

I can’t even begin to unpack how many bizarre takes are jam packed into this world wall. I guess, in its simplest form,the question is: why are you here? Why are you a fan of Kpop and why do you continue to exist within a culture that you despise.

@aespecially 5 ай бұрын

Some of your tips can even help in real life (of course you can't block people IRL, but things like staying calm and such definitely help)

@maarshiexcryxx 5 ай бұрын

i just want to say that i absolutely adore all the hard work you put for your videos.

@OGseoulite 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely LOVING the new outro. Cheryl!!!❤ another banger of a video essay. Great job as usual love!!

@wandeesthoughts 5 ай бұрын

So glad to get your notification really hope this means we’re gonna be getting more content in 2024

@Proserpherity 5 ай бұрын

We have all the same fyp tiktok is banned here but KZbin commentary is keeping me updated 🙂 everything is f*cked up.

@abbymazenta 5 ай бұрын

you hit the mark exactly! thank you for making this

@mystical_pegasus 5 ай бұрын

I’m an early Gen Z kpop Stan (1999) and I’ve just seen the decline in kpop stan culture and it’s made me hate it. This has made me step back from the K-pop Stan culture on social media because there’s just so much negativity or judgement all of the time. People think they have a say in everything and just want people to see everything from their perspective (cough we are human and SHOULD have different perspectives) and agree with everything they say.

@xoseoa 5 ай бұрын

even if i dont always exactly agree, you're always so well spoken and well informed, it's super impressive

@Kpopisntforkids 5 ай бұрын

Not the reddit accs already tryna tear you up 😭

@kpopnchill8800 5 ай бұрын

As a gen Z person, born in 2007, I don't think gen Z in some of your examples meant to be selfish even though it really was. My generation has spent most of their time on their phones, some worse than others. Most of us also had to be on lockdown for vital years of our highschool experience. Most haven't had much genuine human interaction or friends and a lot of us got into kpop because we had none. That's how I first got into kpop and one thing I've learned as I've grown and made friends is actual empathy. Before, and this is something I've seen with a lot of my generation, I only knew how to relate to a situation. That is part of empathy but it's not the only part and it's not always necessary, this is what my generation has a problem with understanding. When people started saying how they can't imagine how the Enyphen members thought of them or talking about their own past with body shaming, speaking about their own past and using their trauma is the only way they know how to show "empathy" and that they understand what another person is going through whether or not they truly know the person and the situation. That's not in all cases like trauma dumping on idols but in a lot of cases I do think they're just trying to relate to their idols, they already feel a personal connection and now they want to show they care and understand. It's wrong and inappropriate at many times but it makes sense that this is so many of gen z's way of showing empathy. It is selfish but I don't think it comes out of selfishness if that makes sense. It usually comes from a place of good intentions. I can't imagine how gen alpha will be considering they really haven't had much social interaction and have almost zero social awareness with parents who go as far to support it

@aoefsmrap 5 ай бұрын

Well said. People constantly want to virtue signal about anything. They'll find any excuse they can to hate others so they can show how good they are for calling out supposed injustices.

@bunbungabriel 5 ай бұрын

Damn that new outro slaps

@writingdork3951 5 ай бұрын

What I don’t understand/what I would advise people to do is if you think someone is racist/phobic/whatever or even just disrespectful… just like, dni. Not creators, but their audience. Think Han and Chan can never be forgiven for their actions? Listen to other artists. Hate a KZbinr? Ask KZbin not to recommend them to you. Someone won’t change their behavior even though you asked them to? Stop talking to them. Don’t kick up a stink, just leave. You’ll eventually forget and will be much happier for it. You don’t even have to forgive them to forget them. You just will.

@lazulilies 5 ай бұрын

this is a great video! Thank you for talking about this everglow-up God bless you!

@dks13nic 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for being the fresh air in kpop as the usual cheryl

@5XKXNXA 5 ай бұрын

I just searched your channel up to see Dash opinions and then boom, new video haha

@d.s.19 5 ай бұрын

Another good video. Great job. Fans make everything about themselves and are blind to anything else. Very quick to blow things out of proportion and no critical thinking. The trauma thing is really true. 👍

@essi4133 5 ай бұрын

i sent this to my friend who doesn't even know anything about kpop just because i think this hits the nail on the head for the larger, over arching issues going on online/in person right now...

@S.A.A.00 5 ай бұрын

Agreeeee Smart talk and realistic facts happening 👍👍 I don't interact with any fandom anymore , they are so immature I listen to the music only

@straawberryy 5 ай бұрын

cheryl is love you for that video🙏🏻. i've been thinking about some of these things for so long and it's nice to see someone that can put their thoughts into a video like this without being rude but just simply stating the facts

@yourradiantsoul3825 5 ай бұрын

I’m an old woman and very new to the kpop community. It’s a damn mess lol. I watch your videos and that’s about it. Music wise, I watch the videos and stream on Spotify. I don’t have the mental bandwidth for half the comments I see on videos and instagram posts. You are a breath of fresh air as is this comment section. BTW: thank you for using my girls XG Shooting Star for your outro!! I’d love to hear your opinion on them!

@LaurenPebble 5 ай бұрын

It’s funny cause my friends and I were literally just talking about gen alpha and the issue they have with entitlement, so this should be a fun and relevant video lol

@honeyse 5 ай бұрын

I remember when someone mentioned that seeing Wonyoung behind her other group members during choreographies earned her their respect because she appeared humble while dancing alongside them. Like--- 💀💀💀

@tolanisimpson5360 5 ай бұрын

Ugh.😒😒😒😒😒

@LetsGoBeyondTogether 5 ай бұрын

I’ve been needing someone to say all this for a long time. Thank you. Edit: Seeing my fellow Gen z (I’m an ‘02 born female) being intelligent in the comments gives me hope.

@gabriellesamuda4457 5 ай бұрын

I'm here, great video essay Cheryl!

@laurenboeckman4251 5 ай бұрын

I’m gen z (2004) and I used to use Tiktok a lot because a lot of kpop fans would post about new music releases and suggest other groups to listen to Then it felt like in 2022/2023 kpop fans on tiktok were cancelling an idol every day It got to the point where I didn’t even know a group released music because all that was on my fyp was what an idol did “wrong” that I just deleted the app

@ilovecocoaoa 5 ай бұрын

You're such an amazing KZbinr tbh and a breath of fresh air in k-tube and i love the views you put out. Keep up the great work and keep on slaying!

@Mememememe461 5 ай бұрын

When idols recieve hate or get sexualised, no one bats an eye, until they get very popular/'iconic'/whatever and they start victimising people for no reason. There was a video of a few girls doing the "dance %" challenge, one of them, instead of "_%" being"Wonyoung%" and doing the "Wonyoung dance", which is a fandom joke and has nothing against her, well, guess what, everyone was threatening them

@thatchillingeffect 5 ай бұрын

This also applies so much to the Drag Race fandom and probably a lot of other stan groups as well. By the way, I love how well spoken you are, it's always very pleasant to hear you speak, I find myself actually responding lol