the cult of stanning Lisa: The BlackPink Olympics ep1

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Name: Cheryl
Age: adult
Pronouns: she/her
Race: Black (African)
Ult biases: Shownu (Monsta X), Onda (Everglow), Yujin (IVE), Huijun (MCND), Haram (Billlie), Heeseung (Enhypen), Cai Yubing( GP999), Ricky (ZeroBase1)
Stan List:
LOML: Kim Woojin
Ult of Ults (in order): Monsta x + wonho, Red Velvet, MCND, Everglow, Ateez
Ults (in order): IVE, Le Sserafim, FITFTY FIFTY, KARD, Billlie, Woo!Ah!, SHINee+Taemin, BTS, SKZ, PIXY
Semi Ults (in order): I_DLE, Dreamcatcher, Aespa, AOA, Seventeen, GWSN, Mamamoo, NCT127, CLC, WJSN, SuperM, Blackpink, Rocket Punch, StayC, Itzy, Cherry Bullet.
timestamps
0:00 why like lisa?
1:16 intro
1:29 the likeness of a cult
3:20 how it started: blackjacks vs blinks, and jennie
7:45 lisa becomes a victim
11:46 the birth of lillie
13:05 the blackpink olympics
15:50 what makes them a cult
21:43 outro

[@everglowup]

next episode: how Jennie's hate train created the most overprotective fandom Captions are available now 💙

[@FlowerArtzy24]

Dw didi at least you made it 😭💕

[@tolanisimpson5360]

OH MY!!! Jennie is my bias in Blackpink so I can't wait for the next espisode.❤❤❤❤

[@tolanisimpson5360]

@@devraajmoran5969 That is true!!!!

[@tomo8213]

@@devraajmoran5969 FR FR - and then ppl say oH Im jUsT cRiTiSing hEr - no your not, they are just full on hating

[@CrazyTreYer]

This was actually a good video man. Can you talk about BTS next?

[@cinnatsundere]

I remember when Dahyun skipped an ad with Lisa and the amount of hate she got for that still baffles me until this day.

[@cinnatsundere]

@emiko idc if it was an ad or autoplay or whatever. My point was that the hate she got was completely unnecessary

[@XiaoLing-pu9st]

@emiko How is it a lie? You can even google it and it DID happen. Lisa got hate because she enables this behavior, she is aware about the harassment her fans does, remember a black choreographer got harassed? Lisa's choreographer SAW it, no way Lisa didn't. Keep supporting a trashy human being

[@cawewe]

@emiko girl u are part of the problem, there's no need to still be defending ppl over this 💀💀

[@markigirl2757]

@@emiko13 dude please ur not making ur case look good ur making Lisa look horrible and this is why ur fandom is one of the worst

[@buzzzbuzzz7261]

so are you justifying the hate then? why can’t she skip the video?? just because she skips doesn’t mean she hates smh

[@sakuravelvet]

Lisa is a great idol, who deserves love and support, but people need to root themselves in reality and realize you simply CANNOT go that far to promote and defend her in this close minded, number obsessed way.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

FACTS!!!❤❤❤

[@LaurenPebble]

Lisa is definitely talented enough to deserve all the things she’s achieved. It just sucks that it had to be because of her awful fans and for subpar music.

[@himaririku9254]

G DRAGON KING ,,,

[@pao94]

It's mediocre, like all blackpink and their two songs are rubbish, the lyrics don't say anything, this girl is an influence, not an artist

[@silververnallbells191]

@@himaririku9254 Where's his new music?

[@sayedatunnoorsameera3973]

as an ot4 blink, it feels like BLACKPINK's biggest enemy are their own fans, specifically solo stans. Other groups also have insane solo stans but with blackpink its a whole nother level. There's nothing wrong with stanning one member as long as your respectful to the rest, but the way most BP solo stans treat the members they don't stan is actually psychotic. I still remember the time i saw a comment sl*tshaming and fatshaming Jennie whilst having a lisoo pfp.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

This is far too true. I cannot imagine being ruthlessly hated by my own fandom the way Jennie and the other Blackpink members are.

[@Angelssiq]

With armys too, they two fandom were complaining about the fact that member of bp or bts didn't have equal subscribers and should be stan equally

[@katherine6107]

@@Angelssiq there's no such thing as stannig equally tho, not everyone who's following one of the BTS members is even a BTS ot7 stan, it's always like this and it's okay, it becomes not okay when the solo stans actually hate the other members for no reason

[@jisvngstt]

Its literally crazy, I saw someone calling Lisa a plastic monster and then go onto praising jisoo for being a natural queen 💀

[@TenderNoodle]

I’ve honestly never seen someone insult blackpink members more than blinks with a different bias💀 There is always this constant need from toxic blinks to bring up their bias under any video of a different member to cry about how “underrated” they are

[@martacastillo6272]

The toxic fans who were calling Lily a Lisa knockoff (while being a main vocalist) because of her own name and a hairstyle were sending me the whole time😭 5 year old Pranpriya didn't even have a stage name back in 2002 when Lily was born in Australia💀

[@anetasz7759]

@@zeba.subliminals What styling? bangs and short hair? come on now... clothes? they were maching with other members and tone other idols wear them on daily basis... you described exactly the person the video is talking about, looking for problems that doesn't exist. I never once thought Lily looked or was styled like Lisa. Lilys fans should be be angry for dragging her into the hate train bc of Lisas cult like fandom

[@AB-yk2pq]

Also daily reminder that Lily joined K-pop industry before Lisa even debuted or became known as a trainee.

[@martacastillo6272]

@@zeba.subliminals what outfits? NMIXX had very coordinated outfits during their debut era, and Dice era didn't resemble anything BP had worn before? What are you talking about, crop tops and baggy pants?🧍🏽‍♀️ Two toned hair was already a 2020s trend over all, space buns too. And there's tons of idols who wear space buns and bangs, a single hairstyle match when the whole idols vibe doesn't match who they're supposedly copying is just an inflammatory reach. Lily wasn't even pushed as a rapper or main dancer of the group, she's not even Thai. So in conclusion, calling her a "knockoff" was simply inaccurate and disrespectful towards Lily as an idol.

[@legacysdreamlife9021]

​@Say What?! Her styling wasn't the same and Lisa switches her hair every other day. Lily had a comma hairstyle that has been worn by many ppl and MANY a kpop b4 and after she had a freaking bob with bangs like Lisa didn't create the look. And I see kpop idols with that same hairstyle everyday pls be so serious

[@amaantambu9794]

@@zeba.subliminals if we're going to sit here and speak about thier styling being similar let's also speak about how Lisa "COPIED" her bangs from momo of TWICE's because she debuted earlier than BP and also copied her "main dancer title" Lisa apparently also copied SOLAR and 2nd gen idols who pole dances before her and kept bangs before Lisa See that's how DUMB your argument and what other blinks say sound pls be fr

[@teriyaki9832]

lillies and blackpink solo stans in general are exactly why promotion as a group consistently is important. variety shows, livestreams, group comebacks, etc. blackpink rarely make group appearances anymore, only coming back as a group every few years. this makes it so that stans essentially turn every group comeback into a produce show, fighting and voting to see their favorite succeed.

[@jupiterdaughter]

What lilies don't realise is that their insane behaviour actually makes people dislike Lisa in one way or another.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

THIS!!!

[@_dalbit]

I never understood growing a dislike towards an artist because of their fandom. E.g. as a blink, I have of course seen many absolutely vile posts and shameful behavior from army towards blackpink over the past half of a decade, but I absolutely love BTS and always have. Can you elaborate how a fandom makes you dislike the individual? Is it because you associate her face with the fandom?

[@MSGPP]

@@_dalbit based on my own experience, where A group doing cover song of sunbae B group and fan post the practice cover on twitter, B fans start flocking on fan A post and quote rt with 'nugu shouldve stayed nugu lol' 'how dare they disrespect our queen like this' 'all of them sounds horrible' etc. chan from skz is one of the example where his fans make me dislike him a little bit. NO hate tho.

[@rowanjoy419]

@@_dalbit for me is very easy to explain, but I want you keep in mind that no everyone is the same. When I got into Blackpink, My faves we're inmediately Jennie and Jisoo, so when I realize that many fans like Lisa, and the reason behind all that is not just talent but her fans make her seen as a victim and even go as far as saying that the rest of the girls are not as talented as her and she deserve more and that Lisa can go solo and even said that Jennie bully Lisa. Even if you tell yourself that this are crazy fans and that the girls are not to blame, you still get a weid feeling and Even as far as when you see their faces you feel uncomfortable.

[@_dalbit]

@@MSGPP Thanks for explaining from your side! I definitely know the type of posts you’re talking about. I suppose, for me, even after seeing thousands of those, I still have been able to separate the artist from the toxic stan accounts that are quite honestly just very sad people and exist in every fandom. It’s unfortunate when the toxic part of fandom overshadows so many of the great and mature people in it, too, because the toxic side will always be louder. My advice would be to unfollow some of those accounts that bring so much negativity to the tl, but I get that it’s super hard to ignore and you somehow still see it. Best to still form your own opinion separate to the ridiculousness of a random, in my opinion.

[@edu.8552]

"she should get the Jennie treatment!" a genuine question: knowing all the hate she got thrown at, would you really like your bias to get the Jennie treatment?

[@user10837]

Jennie deserves better tbh

[@zhisu2665]

As a South East Asian, Lisa has the strongest self-insert fantasy. She's an incredibly wealthy famous Kpop idol, South Asian woman with everything she wants at her finger tips from a country thats not that internationally known for its music industry or celebrities just like other SEA countries. despite the fact she's not the only SEA idol, YG gave her an image of cool, swag, UNTOUCHABLE and RICH and Blinks are going to grab onto that fantasy of wanting to be her unlike Minnie [g-idle] or Sorn [clc] who have a "We are your cool older/younger sisters come hang out" image despite the both of them also being wealthy and from South East Asia. [both Thailand] its all about how they were marketed.

[@LaurenPebble]

There’s this thing in psychology I learnt about that falls in line with what you said about Lisa fans viewing stanning her being a social justice cause. Genuinely bad people will jump on noble causes - like lgbt+ rights, or a political standpoint, or hell even stanning Lisa - and use the fact that they support said cause as a golden ticket to prove they’re a good person. They convince themselves if they support something good that means they’re good. Rather than doing any sort of self-reflection or introspection to grow as a person. And then they support their cause in the most egregious, toxic, violent ways because their identity revolves around this cause. A lot of them don’t actually think twice about what it is they’re supporting they just need an excuse to spill their toxicity into the world in a way that they can pass off as being okay.

[@mxm7647]

That makes a lot of sense, actually. That's probably why they are all hypocrites.

[@scribble5454]

it’s not only in lisa stans, I feel like a lot of kpop stans use social justice as a bullying tactic for ‘problematic’ idols (e.g many stans bullying wendy for her ed & using her problematic past as an excuse to do so)

[@LaurenPebble]

@@scribble5454 yeah, that’s why I gave multiple examples in a range of topics. It’s not only Lisa stans, it’s not only kpop stans, it’s rampant everywhere.

[@TheVirtualJenesis]

Really interesting hearing this from a psychological viewpoint.

[@misskata8511]

So ... this explain why lgbt/politic supporters(?)/lisa stans/feminists/etc, are so toxic

[@UMMH2000]

Not to mention the racism and racial ignorance that comes highly from Lisa solo stans. I've read comments from them calling black people and indian people who were concerned with the use of their culture/religion used improperly the n word, monkeys, jealous, haters, etc.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

THIS!!! Then Lilies cry about why so many people dislike/hate them, especially in the Kpop community.

[@user-xf2vf9wn5j]

😂. Koreans who I have seen noted racially abusing Latto, Lisa and the Weeknd for harming little Jennie ninnie (a woman who is almost 30) are speaking of racism.

[@karenakoller97]

But Lisa herself is called "monkey" by Netizens. She is foreign herself. That´s why most of her fans (Lillies) are NOT racist and respect other cultures.

[@ronaldgrove3283]

Cultural approbation is BS ? Supposedly only blackpeople can braid their hair ? So what if Lisa wore a rosary or cross necklaces ? Etc, etc...

[@thaisrodrigues9947]

Honestly, cultural appropriation is the biggest joke the modern world has invented. No one has the right to decide what I should or shouldn't wear/use. That's my choice. Braids and many other things ARE NOT PROPERTY OF ANY RACE. Of course I'm not agreeing with people's racist and sick comments if they did it to defend Lisa.

[@monaaa_a]

The cult parallel is spot on. What I find interesting is that they built a community where they can worship Lisa while self-inserting as her. The obsession with lisa is partially because of the narrative of that pretty foreign girl who has it all but is a victim of the queenbee supported by the evil company. It's the perfect fantasy for the fans because they are able to insert their victimhood in lisa, which lead them to defend her as if they are defending their own career. As for Jennie, they feel insecure towards her (even when Lisa has 10101 trophies) because deep down, Jennie is someone they want to be so she is an attack to their self-esteem. Uplifting Lisa is a way to uplift themselves (which is why self-insert is very dangerous) Lisa fans live through Lisa. That is also why Liskook is such a popular ship because nothing is better than the perfect underdog ending up with basically the prince of kpop. The queenbee fantasy is also why there's a lot of disgusting rumors created on twitter about Jennie. For example, Jennie slept with Gdragon and Teddie. That kind of rumors amplifies the queenbee stereotype of the girl who is just pretty and use men to get what she wants.

[@Yooniverse35]

reminds me of that video talking about bp members and self insertion by "i-spy". pretty spot on btw.

[@squishytan7]

This is well written

[@TenderNoodle]

You might be right bc the idols who get the most hate from western fans specifically are pretty, successful feminine girls who have never been (publicly) majorly wronged in the industry. Jennie & Wonyoung are the best examples of this. They also DEFINITELY see Lisa as a genuine god, I mean look no further than the Lisa fans who get offended when people point out Lisa is just a person at the end of the day and that other idols are more talented than her in certain areas. They actually can’t handle that idea and lash out at the thought. It really freaked me out the first time I saw it. Celebrity whorship especially amping idols is very normalized but Lisa fans and blinks take it to a whole nother level where they don’t even front as being sane or seeing their idol as human, cursing anyone who dares to get too close to them.

[@krishimehta7857]

Damn, you actually hit the nail here!!

[@ajlee2168]

while i agree with all of what you said, id say that blinks in general / solo stans of any of the members, live through them like that. all four of them have their distinct image, and every girl out there can see herself in at least one of them, which makes it so easy to self-insert as any of them, aka which makes it so easy to create a cult-like following that will protect them and defend them from anything and everything. i also think this is part of why, when i see blinks trying to 'clap back', they often just say "they are rich and beautiful" as some sort of argument, instead of highlighting their actual talent, because those are things that the fans want most for themselves and fantasize about; you criticise blackpink, you criticise a part of the fan's identity. its scary to see, really. its an incredible paradox, when fans praise them like goddesses and in the same breath claim them to be victims of all the evil overlords sabotaging them. every fandom has some crazies but i will say i've never quite seen something like the blink mentality of such magnitude. not to mention how they all fight with each other, instead of praising the group together, as a whole. its interesting, its very scary lol.

[@mariesamikwa7414]

IT'S THE WAY THEY GOT MAD AS HELL AT HWASA RECENTLY FOR OUTDRESSING LISA AT THAT BULGARI EVENT. THEY WERE FOR SOME REASON PROUD AS HELL TO SEE LISA WAS BETTER DRESSED THAN THE OTHER KPOP IDOLS INVITED BUT THE MOMENT HWASA SHOWED UP LOOKING A TAD BIT TOO GLAM AND MORE BEAUTIFUL THEY BEGUN TO ACT UP. I SIMPLY LAUGHED THE EVENING AWAY ON THE TL😂

[@niraxlevi9930]

Hwasa didn't outdress anyone neither lisa it's personal taste ,each person will prefer one and no when you say they got mad it's just a few toxic fans because lilies are a huge ass fandom bigger than mamamoo's ( no shade or anything) so if they truly hated on her it would've been catastrophic so let's stop generalizing Fandoms? Toxic is kinda loosing it's meaning tbh also for me both slayed but they weren't the best dressed ,to me it was shin ye-run she looked so angelic in that white dress

[@Kais_Peaches]

​@@niraxlevi9930i think hwasa slayed the outfit, but I am very gay for her so, yeah, but you are right personal taste.

[@anne12453C]

Hwasa did not

[@Kais_Peaches]

@@anne12453C if you ask me, she did, but you do you bro

[@anne12453C]

@@Kais_Peaches She did not. Lisa was praised by her outfit and was the main event

[@alexx1o1]

the same obsessed fans are now babymonsters fans and they're blaming Nick Minaj for using the n word in her OWN SONG cuz ahyeon said the n word when she sang her song 😭 ygs just ignoring this cuz he knows the fans are on her side

[@unnecessary111]

I know they are not blaming a black woman for using a word only black people are allowed to use...if there's one thing toxic blinks are gonna have, it's the AUDACITY

[@mairalaurence8283]

Wait another 4th gen idol saying n word😮

[@beckette.pixels]

@@mairalaurence8283 I heard that she read it 3x 😀

[@nynyslay2071]

Today a new jeans fanpage said something about Lisa and the fanpage apologized and said she got “hacked”, idk if that’s true or not but now Lisa fans are trending “apologize to Lisa” and even sending new jeans hate on their pages with over 400k tweets. Definitely a CULT.

[@LiitoTuotanto]

Blackpink is the only group that I haven’t seen ot4 stans like ever. It’s kind of impressive almost. I really think that the lack of comebacks and other content contribute to that. The marketing of their charecters makes the fandom divided and helps with their delusions. It’s easy to make fake the villain ark to the girls when the fans don’t see them together.

[@Nameless_mixes]

As someone that’s been an OT4 stan since 2018, I feel like an endangered species. It’s so hard to walk into BP spaces and be like “I love all of the members” without solo stans trying to essentially recruit me to their side. I just don’t see how anyone could stan a group where they don’t at least like all of the members. Yes, Lisa’s my ult bias, Jisoo’s my bias, Jennie’s my bias wrecker, and Rosé’s the one whose on screen persona and style resonates with me the most. I don’t love them all equally or for the same reasons. But I still support all of them and could never imagine considering myself a fan of the group if I didn’t. Same applies to other groups. I don’t have the energy to waste on people I don’t at least like.

[@mimistate2371]

actually theres quite a lot of us we just arent the obsessive ones like lilis, most of us have lives and you will meet a LOT if you ever go to a blackpink concert.

[@twinkle1530]

I recently went to blackpink concert in may, singapore; almost all of them were ot4 exchanging freebies and gifts hampers with all of the members' photocards n merch; I think it's only on internet where extreme solo stans get to shine smh

[@jiayi5829]

@@twinkle1530 omg, are you a singaporean?

[@moonlightespt3818]

Not every blink is like this, believe me that there's this thing where people want to blame blinks for everything, blinks are known as one of the most toxic fandoms but its all due to the insane solo stanning that all the members specially Lisa and Jisoo carry, blinks are not one of the most toxic fandoms out there, nobody dares to say this cause they think all the insanity of solo stanning is attributed to actual blinks, in fact you will be called delusional and will be attacked if you ever claim this but there's a lot of reasoning and proofs to debunk all the "Blinks are the most toxic" and the claims people make of "BP being untalented and this and that" all originates from solo stanning.

[@eclecticqueenbutnotthatmuch]

I love Lisa and Blackpink, they were my introduction to Kpop. But honestly, I never put myself inside any of their fandoms cause I know better than that. Actually, I basically decided not to fuck with any fandoms at all. I prefer to support my fave artists alone, it's much healthier for me. Being a multi stan and enjoying their music by myself is SO MUCH BETTER.

[@Emmacoffee8]

Love this soo much❤

[@rayanaloufi7214]

i actually haven't thought about it but it seems like this is what I'm doing after years of being a kpop stan. after all, we are all here for music.

[@eclecticqueenbutnotthatmuch]

@@rayanaloufi7214 Exactly!!!

[@limpcheesestick]

Taeyang's Shoong! Was flooded by Lisa comments, you could barely find a comment about him on his own song

[@aplaraujo250]

The same happened with his collaboration with Jimin. This is so annoying.

[@blinkforever5445]

I was supposed to be like that. The bigger artist always gets more attention than the smaller artist. If Ariana Grande and Ava Max collaborated then who do you think will get more attention, Ariana will get more attention because she has a bigger fabase.

[@unnecessary111]

​@@blinkforever5445but it's unfair.

[@blinkforever5445]

@@unnecessary111 It is but that's what it is.

[@lilicake4208]

But that's to be expected, Lisa has the bigger fandom and it stands to reason that her fans will check out the song, which is what collaborations are about too. I don't see anything wrong with it

[@Taejiu]

Got out while I still could 🫡

[@user-pt4ry1bi9l]

it would be great to see a video about jisoo stand too, because some of them are getting hella annoying with setting her up, and acting like she’s a damsel is distress

[@haleyhutchinson8302]

For Jisoo her solo Stan’s have definitely gotten worse after her solo debut. I wonder how many of them actually Stan Jisoo or if just Stan her out of pity.

[@Suxx4u]

@@haleyhutchinson8302 it’s definitely pity or just bc she’s pretty

[@Nameless_mixes]

@@haleyhutchinson8302 A lot of Jisoo “stans” actually just hate Jennie (and some hate Lisa or Rosé). So, they use Jisoo as a means of bashing on the others. They see Jisoo as the Cinderella of the group. Treated poorly while her ugly step sisters benefit from favoritism. She’s the damsel in distress that must be saved! And her stans are the knights in shining armor; the heroes of this plot! So, they’ve adopted the narrative of “We’re not hating on Jennie/Lisa/Rosé, we’re DEFENDING Jisoo from being the neglected one in the group”. As someone who’s been a Jisoo bias since D^4 era, it disgusts me how many people are out here pretending to like her just to take jabs at the other members and then hide behind her when facing retaliation.

[@chuubry]

@@Suxx4u thats unfair. you all act like she has nothing about her except her looks. she is obviously the most untalented member of blackpink, imo she doesn't even fit the group's image but damn the jisoo hate has increased so much recently.

[@empireblue2968]

@@chuubry i like how you said something nasty about jisoo and then ended it with 'but damn the jisoo hate has increased so much recently' do you not see the irony💀

[@AB-yk2pq]

Honestly, BP mostly do very little in comparison to everyone in the industry. Amount of songs,lack of their own artistic inputs,lack of improvements, lack of free content. YGE only perfectly knew how to profit. Both YGE and BP gave enough reasons for people to either despise them or worship them. I honestly don't see any of the BP members as mistreated victims. They're grown women and if they wanted some changes in their senior career, they would have happened by now. I think they're just perfectly comfortable with how YGE marked them. I know the company takes the biggest part is this mess but surely girls themselves could've tried going into a bit different direction.

[@ajlee2168]

absolutely! i dont believe that yg controls the members as much as people think/ make it out to be. all four of the members are at a point right now where they dont really need the company anymore as such, they are influential and absolutely have a say in what they will do next. i cant remember who said it, but a different artist under yg once talked about how comebacks happen, which was basically, if you dont ask for a comeback, they wont just make it for you. if you dont take innitiate, it can take ~2 years until a new comeback. i truly dont believe that the girls were ever desperately asking for their group to have a comeback soon, they seem contend with how their career is working out. from the beginning they were marketed in a way that'd push them as soloists, evident by all the solo stans they have. if they wanted to, they could do a whole lot more. i *almost* cant blame them for simply not doing more than the bare minimum.

[@Malalalaika]

Well said!

[@mimistate2371]

i disagree with the talent comment. individually each member has grown beyond expectations and you can see it very clearly if you take into consideration the criticism/hate they used to receive because of some of their previous faults such as, jisoos raspy voice that constantly made her sound sick 24/7, she has trained a LOT and made her raspy voice an asset to her musical career as heard on her solo Flower, and not to mention her dance skills that were...subpar at best, now she is able to keep up with her members and sometimes out perform them. then rosie, i feel like her vocals speak for themselves, shes def learned to control her voice and within the past few years i feel like she has earned the title of koreas golden voice, you might disagree but thats just my opinion, and what i will say is FACT, is that she has definitely improved a lot, and if you actually sit down and look up a video of her singing in 2018 and compare it to a live performance from her recent tour, i feel like you'd change your mind. then theres jennie, who kinda barley needed any improvement in the first place, but she has improved her dance ability and her vocals are more wide ranged and shes a lot more stable which used to be a personal concern of mine. and lisa hasnt changed...at all, i mean we get snippets of her vocal abilities which seem to be pretty good imo, but i will agree with lilis, shes being mismanaged in that category(not to the extreme extent they claim though). otherwise yea shes always kinda been really...perfect idk if thats the right word but thats all i can think of rn. as a group i get what you mean lmaooo. yea they've become less coordinated with their dances, which seems to be, because they feel more relaxed on stage. which is only an issue if you believe its one, personally idrc all to much but i can see how some ppl might feel insulted. and their music has barely ever made any changes, i think the only thing yg is trying to change, is their target audience, which used to be korean kids, but now it feels like they are looking for fans who are 18-20 and international . especially with their recent releases. but yea i will say their music needs a lot more divercity if they want to continue with their title as the biggest gg since 4th gen standards are through the ROOF.

[@AB-yk2pq]

​​@@mimistate2371 I disagree with everything you mentioned when it comes to improvements. Jisoo is still not good at singing. She doesn't know how to use her diaphragm while singing, she sings from throat and she's also overly nasal. Not to mention she can have serious pitch issues once in a while. Also, her dancing definitely didn't improve since debut. She's less awkward on stage and she uses her face more, but dance wise she's the first one to mess up. There have been multiple examples of her looking too stiff, forgetting choreographies, having timing issues etc. I also don't think she's capable of outperforming the group, especially when the rest gives 100%. Rolling Stones Korea described her as mediocre since a gap between her and the skills of the rest is too big. Rosé is the only one in BP who is actually semi capable of using diaphragm while singing and more or less have good intonation, she also improved her stamina while singing but she didn't improve her actual technique over the years, besides maybe becoming less nasal if you want to take a look at some actual singing improvements from idols compare Taeyeon when she debuted in Girls' Generation and now, Lily Nmixx during K-pop Star and now and more. Jennie singing songs with wider range doesn't mean she's gotten better at singing, it just means producers give them higher songs. A few days ago she had a private solo stage where she sang a few songs acoustic and she mostly sang out of breath and struggled with intonation. When Jennie feels motived yes she'll give you a great performance energy and dance wise but she's extremely inconsistent. I do think that Lisa has potential vocally (sometimes even bigger than Jisoo and Jennie have) however it's clear that she hasn't used that potential and tried to get more serious in singing, even though she sings in a lot of their b sides. I also think that entire BP's stamina has gotten worse since 2016-2017 since back then they'd do entire choreographies+full verses but now they often let backtrack overpower them, especially Lisa.

[@suaAaAaA]

​​​@@AB-yk2pqnnie does have some vocal support but struggles with placement sometimes but does well most of the time she's currently high weak/low WA

[@savsybunny7955]

they’re literally trying to get MONEY to 1B streams right now. how can they even say it’s an achievement when it’s just mass streaming?? i’ll never understand 🤣🤣

[@riybe4226]

They got it, Money now is the first solo K-pop song to hit 1 billion unfiltered (mass streamed) streams… but real streams aren’t even close to 500 million (

[@zoi7582]

​@@riybe4226how do you differentiate?

[@BelleRufus_]

didn't YG himself call bp the "prettier version of 2NE1" which is so rude and disrespectful towards 2NE1, but well he told them they're to their face as well, so what can you expect from this man... but at this point I don't know if YG as a company is just evil or a genius (or both) because solo stans each overbidding each other during releases gives them more money anyone could think, so I actually believe that they feed into this shitshow to get even more money out of it...

[@user-a2thed469]

I googled it and he didn't literally say he wanted prettier version of 2NE1....he said he wanted the girls to look pretty with skills....still rude and disgusting anyways

[@kiko_isarose6533]

This video made me worried about the same thing happening to Ive (saying this as a new Dive myself). They are constantly accused of being only popular for their visuals, have the generations “it girl” who gets “favored”, already have drama of “unfair treatment” with Liz, and Dives have to keep defending them from the inhumane hate they get. I like this fandom so far so i hope this doesn’t happen but there are similarities

[@andrewalltheway]

But Dives are more united and don't hate wonyoung

[@AB-yk2pq]

honestly think that I'VE as a group have more chances of having "calm" fandom than Blackpink has. Members seem to listen to criticism and company is giving each girl a chance for solo activities at similar time.

[@dks13nic]

FR, this why i'm so scared that this also happen to ive. but the difference is that liz were never an underdog in ive, it's more like her toxic/token solo stan is the one who try to make this whole "liz is the most underrated member" drama. because liz is always getting the most line along with yujin (except for kitsch). and I still remember how those liz toxic/token solo stan screaming about "yes, liz got lines in I AM but where is her screen time in the mv when it's her part? why wonyoung get so many screen time when it's not even her part?". i mean liz isn't even the one who get the least screen time in the mv, it was rei and I didn't see any rei solo stan that is complaining about it while dragging wonyoung. they're just complain to starship and thats it.

[@shiberoffical]

I totally agree with you, Wony already reseaves as much hate as Jennie, but in a different way I think: Jennie is the "evil" girl, many ot3 blinks are out there and hate on her, it's mainly her own fandom who hates her. But I don't think the general Kpop fan sees her as a paticular bad person. But many people who don't know anything about Ive think Wony is a genuie bad person, bcs of the tonns of evil edited videos about her out there. That way she has no one who is neutral, who doesn't think she's a bad person nor is her biggest fan. The whole kpop community believes she is bad, and this comes probably from the other members not having that big of a solo fanbase, bcs they just debuted, so there aren't that much solostans who will hate on Wony together with them, so they took that out of the fandom to the whole community. So, this came out pretty long, and there are definitly many paraleels, I just wanted to point out what I noticed. And sorry if it sounded like I wanted to disagree in any way with you, I just wanted to add that Oh and, you're totally right, dives are a really nice fandom, and I have never seen a dive who hates activly on Wony bcs I feel like if you watch Ive's content, it will be impossible to dislike Wony and you won't be affected by the evil edited videos.

[@julieralte7421]

I’ve are fine cause the company are not intentionally pitting the members like yg

[@LaurenPebble]

I liked Lisa from the start, ever since Blackpink debuted I thought she was cool and tended to pay the most attention to her. But over the years her fans’ obsession and terrible behaviour has driven me away from her and made me forget all the things I liked about her in the first place. I struggle to see Lisa for Lisa, because her fans get in the way.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

I completely understand you, I would feel the same way in this context.

[@LaurenPebble]

@@yourslovelyghost4556 No one. I’ve only ever been a casual fan, so no one is really my bias these days

[@chickensalad3535]

That's very silly

[@LaurenPebble]

@@chickensalad3535 🤨 calling it silly isn’t going to change my subconscious feelings

[@kainightshade5033]

@@chickensalad3535 and so are you tbh.

[@Eunwoo29409]

Bang chan stans are kinda similar to this so I kinda want to see his stans in this series also liz and gaeul stans

[@tolanisimpson5360]

OH MY GOSH, YESS!!!

[@hmmmk7630]

Jungkook stans too.

[@Eunwoo29409]

@@hmmmk7630 never had an encounter with one of them not an army

[@hmmmk7630]

@@Eunwoo29409 Jungkook stans Treats him like babiest baby Ever..jungkook is so talented insulting Other members. Not to Forget Always Showing off his Achievement wen we all know He gets most Pushed by company.

[@Eunwoo29409]

@@hmmmk7630 I don’t know about it but junhkook stans are extremely horknee

[@kainightshade5033]

Sheryl...please be careful girl. This video was absolutely needed but those same unhinged lillies are going to be on your neck so keep yours over your shoulder! This series is very much needed and hella interesting! Another idea? When this series is done, maybe you can do a deep dive into the seemingly "unproblematic" fandoms. A lot of these "unproblematic" fandoms are actually extremely problematic in other ways. Moomoos, carats, STAYS, Orbits, MYS, etc...

[@OTK_KING]

Yes!!!!! On the unproblematic fandoms

[@theertha2488]

I heard many stays saying they are unproblematic....but after they attacked Ive for no reason,I don't think so.....many fandoms who self claimed to be non toxic are toxic in many other ways...

[@kainightshade5033]

@@theertha2488 That is true but I will say with the whole STAYS attacking IVE...it seemed to be starting from taking something Bangchan said out of context. From what I understand, he was explaining how newer groups don't give basic respect to older ones and IVE stans just assumed he was indirectly attacking IVE. He never mentioned names and there are plenty of other groups who are seen as "disrespectful" so why IVE stans took it so personal, idk.

[@amaantambu9794]

​​@@theertha2488tays used to be sweethearts until kingdom happened god's menu just opened the door for toxicity to slide through it escalated QUICKLY with Kingdom and as of now stays stand being one of the worst k-pop fandoms begining shit with every other fandom taking bangchan's words out of context to hate on other groups now that they have achieved massive album sales it's only going to get worse i hope they don't end up becoming army 2.0 but unfortunately they're already more than half way there

[@dollydoie]

​@@kainightshade5033 Oh my god, Stays were HATING on IVE, they started it first. I mean there is no way Dives would edit videos about IVE "not bowing" nor will Dives watch BangChan's live. Stays started it and Dives added fuel to it, it not that hard to understand

[@Phd366]

I will never understand why people get so obsessed with celebrities. I can’t fathom the idea of spending so much time praising someone

[@T_kats]

I feel like yg is exploiting the blackpink olympics thing because it brings massive noise which translates into popularity and success.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

I wouldn't be too suprised if that is the case. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@Nameless_mixes]

They’re doing the same thing with Baby Monster. Threatening to cut members from the lineup just inspires solo stans of those members to attack the non-cut members and their stans. That makes all stans hyper competitive and will do everything in their power to make their fave look superior.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

@@Nameless_mixes It is really sad, all attention is good attention to YG.

[@Thins_Are_SUS]

Somewhat possible. It might be even some trolls hating just to give more buzz. I'm willing to bet the Wonyoung outrage help IVE too (antis are giving streams and outreach xD), though that was likely coincidental gains.

[@landmineradio]

I'm never forgetting the time i stumbled upon a very harmless and fun Barbie edit of blonde kpop girls on twitter, clearly just meant to be cute and the quote retweets was FULL of Lilies seething bc Lisa wasn't included despite having the (alleged) title of "Human Barbie" that wasn't my first or last time seeing unhinged kpop fan behavior but it def made me realize her fans were reaching new levels of cult-like behavior

[@aSUGAaddiction]

I did not even know there was a fandom name for Lisa...im really out of the loop. This is a great video!

[@everglowup]

It's not official but that's what they call themselves

[@tomo8213]

yup! they are unoffcial names for fandom's of each member: Lisa: Lilies Jisoo: Sooyaas Jennie: Jensators Rose`: Fanse

[@aSUGAaddiction]

@Tom O yea, never knew. It seems, unless you're in the fandom, you wouldn't know. I didn't know the solo stanning had reached that point. I've never understood solo stanning tbh.

[@tomo8213]

@@aSUGAaddiction mhm, blinks really need to sort out the solo stan problem. And yea, I mostly know the fandom names from keeping up with blackpink content and stuff.

[@orangelady416]

@@tomo8213 I only know sooyas. I honestly think Jisoo might have the largest fanbase (pity fans) but anything works, ig

[@keke835]

That selena comment was FACTTSSS. In fact, this whole video is so insightful. Fandom culture can be incredibly insidious

[@MsTeuki]

To be honest if you think critically, Lisa's song Lalisa and Money doesnt really have sense. Its just bragging on things like they have so much money and they are better than us or the "look at me,now look at you" style. As a woman, i dont feel empowered by it. When i commented that, some blinks are cursing at me. 😅

[@gyal7892]

sometimes people find empowerment in nonsense, whatever its the attitude, lyrics, beats, aesthetic, anything really. i understand why you wouldn't find the song empowering since it's just about someone bragging about themselves, but some people like to act as if its them. anyway, im sorry that you were jumped on for voicing a valid opinion

[@chiquibombom1460]

I have watched you since that Woojin video, and your editing and content have grown SO MUCH. I just wanted to point that out because, as an editor myself, the amount of work it takes is a lot. Keep up the good work!

[@everglowup]

tyty so much. it means a lot 💙

[@rayanaloufi7214]

from my knowledge about lilies: 1. They said that lisa is above bp and try to discredit other members hard work by saying she carries the band when the only thing she is best at in the group is dancing. Lisa is nothing without blinks 2. They said that lisa doesn't need blinks and only has lilies but when lisa is attacked, they attack blinks for not defending her enough when in reality, they turned blind on all tweets that ot4 blinks her. 3. They attack other members for having bangs. And even other groups members such as lily and liz. 4. They attack other groups member for wearing the same outfit as lisa. Ex. Minnie from gidle 5. They attacked dahyun for skipping lisa's song and jk for skipping her part in shoong 6. They attacked momo for doing dance pole when solar from mamamoo did it way before lisa 7. They attacked jennie all over twitter when jen and tae paris video got leaked and when jensetters show the same energy, they started to sl*t shame her and call her names. 8. They can't accept when someone critique or has an opinion on lisa. They think she's a godasse who is pure and never make a mistake. 9. When someone says "momo dances better than lisa" and "jennie raps better than lisa" they get so angry that they body-shame them. 10. When someone say that lalisa and money are meaningless and shallow songs, they get offended when they're the one who attack twice and says they have childish songs 11. They say lisa is carrying the whole born pink concert when in reality she is not better than the other members. all her money performance are just her dancing and holding a mic to shout 2 words. the only thing she's good at is her dancing bc she's the only consistent one when it comes to at it but most of her rapping is her screaming or lipsyncing or never even bother to uplift her mic. 12. they think that yg is mistreating her more than the other member but she is now having more songs than all of them (2 solo, 2 collabs). 13. They think that the other members hate her but in reality she is loved and adored by them. 14. She has always, along w the girls, calling her fans blinks and not lilies. she doesn't acknowledge her solo stans at all. I'm a blink. I'm so happy u r doing this kind of vid bc apparently the fandom needs some cleansing. I'm looking forward to ur vid about jensetters bc they're less if not the same in terms of toxicity than lilies.

[@rayanaloufi7214]

15. And now I've learned that they're the one who spread fake news about other members Ex. Rose and dr%g, jennie and all her not confirmed (fake) relationship w gd and yg (disgusting). and lately them spreading that other members fake sickness.

[@wdc97]

They didn't spread rumors about Rose doing drugs. That was armies. Armies saw a picture of Rose online and claimed she was doing drugs but it was clarified by Rosé's friends and YG. So why would you accuse them of what they didn't do. I feel like you are just as bad as them because you want to mindlessly hate on her fanbase. But they never accused her of doing drugs. The account who posted the picture was a blink.

[@rayanaloufi7214]

@@wdc97 that lovesickgirl whatever her/his account is has always been setting up jennie, jisoo and rosé for hate. They're lisa bias so it automatically makes them lilies under the name of "blink" bc how are u attracting hate for other members, and only properly posting about lisa? and the narrative of rosé being "high" started w them. that's why armies started to spread it. armies didn't start anything, that fake blink did. now stop defending their toxic side bc I've been in twitter for a long time and they're the worst. they can't praise lisa without putting others down. they collaborate w armies to slut-shame other members when they know armies do the same for lisa. they're the one who sets lisa up the most for hate. they hate even on teenage idols for copying lisa. in my experience, i have never found a lilie who ACTUALLY isn't toxic. why would i like them if they're like this?

[@wdc97]

@@rayanaloufi7214 the same can be said for Lisa. He has also said unsavory things about Lisa in the past. Just as villain pinks a Jennie biased blink has. So why don't you call villain pinks a solo stan? Why would they collaborate with armies when they were trending about Shoong? Because it was on that day that shoong's teaser came out. As one of the people who reported the accounts that were vile to Rose, most were armies, some were shippers and there were solo stans from all the members present. So blindly blaming Lisa's solos is not just unfair it's ridiculous because now you just want to blindly hate. And girlovesick has defended Rose several times, he deactivated after apologizing to her fans too. And he hasn't come back so why are you claiming he is a solo stan?

[@rayanaloufi7214]

@@wdc97 hun idk what part of twitter u are in. till this day lilies are the same. idk why u want me to love them, the nasty solo stans of the pinks. villianpink is not a jennie biased one just bc they have jennie in their pfp. whereas, it stated in thier bio that lovesickgirl is lisa biased. even lilies supported him and they didn't want him to deactivate bc he's a big account and for then they believe the rumors and still i see them spread it till this day even tho it's denied. lilies claim that blinks are solo stans and they don't like us but when we go by their narrative and call one of the blinks a lilie, WTH PROOF, they will say they're blinks. like pick a side? and for ur info, i hate all toxic solo stans and believe me lilies has more toxic stans than matured one. lately they've been moving like armies. I feel bad for lisa to have such toxic fanbase.

[@carolinesch.]

My theory: the marketing of blackpink as a brand and the lack of musics and in comparison more individual brand promotion is the reason blackpink has the most solo stans

[@Yooniverse35]

I think Chiquita being the 4th gen Lisa is very intentional. Yg said time and time again how he WANTS some of the bbymonster members to be the "next ____ balckpink member". Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed this video! I'm curious if you would do an analysis on blakpink's evolution as a brand , I think that would be an interesting video

[@haleyhutchinson8302]

I feel like Chiquita my be a tad bit different. I feel Chiquita getting a cult like fandom would be because people are already starting to hate on her. Just recently people got mad and attacked her because she said her dream is to perform at Coachella. So, I feel like yes she will have a cult like fandom but because of her being a mixture of both Lisa and Jennie. People hating on Chiquita for wanting to perform at Coachella is just the beginning, then she also get xenophobic comments thrown towards her. So, it will probably be worse.

[@previous_slide]

this makes me realise something about yg, their girl groups are the new previous group, not their own thing. blackpink was the new 2ne1, baby monster is set up to be the new blackpink.

[@Euphoria965]

And again when she debuts she is going to be draged to hell by lisa fans

[@haleyhutchinson8302]

@@Euphoria965 which is sad because it’s like YG is trying to get that poor girl hated on by instead of letting Chiquita develop her own identity, he is trying to compare her to Lisa.

[@Euphoria965]

@@haleyhutchinson8302 yeah and she is so young too i dont think she can handle it 😢

[@oliviasmith1810]

Jungkook received nasty comments from lisa's fans just because he chose to skip her part in her collab song...like they make so many rape jokes about him not even that they call him uneducated

[@girlnamjooning]

Calling JK uneducated is just so stupid,because he is one of the few idols who are collage graduates! It's even more embarrassing when Blinks/Lillis are the one doing that,because Jisoo is the only BP member who completed her highschool...

[@angelyuqi6709]

&he didn't even skip it he sang first 2 lines & then said he doesn't know the Lyrics since it's in English & then laughed. Like he was so chilled & goofy about it

[@SaloniBaloney_25]

@@angelyuqi6709 Exactly it’s so stupid how Lisa stans were so pissed! They really do give me cult vibes…

[@fatimasummaray784]

@@girlnamjooningmany of idols make the same sacrifice? This isn’r uncommon for idols to not finish school ? Most of them haven’t .

[@girlnamjooning]

@@fatimasummaray784 and you think idols sacrificing basic school education to build a career that could be finished with one big scandal is a good thing?? Besides this discussion is not about weather idols not finishing school is a good or bad thing,it's about how blind fans should first check the facts about their own favs before embarrassing themselves like this!!

[@TheVirtualJenesis]

We shouldn't be worshipping anyone to this extent, period. The fact that kpop idols are even called 'idols' is already dehumanising and puts them on the godly and infallible pedestal. At the end of the day Lisa and other celebs are human beings we shouldn't demand or expect to much from them or give them more credit than deserved; these are the exact things that the Lisa stans have been doing. She is a lovely girl from what I've seen, so putting all this pressure on her is actually harmful. From a faith perspective (this is not to convert anyone) being a Christian and a kpop stan can be difficult because we need to draw a line when it comes to idolatry while still enjoying music from our favourite kpop artists. I hope that other people realise that the reason we don't idolise human beings is because they will never be perfect, they will always mess up. God remains perfect and the same forever💞

[@vanessarl8]

I remember seeing a video of kpop marketing that explained the theory of Martin Lindstrom about religious marketing, finding similarities between religions and brands. And they checked all 10 pillars!! So yup, kpop is a cult :]

[@naojen13]

do you have a link?

[@Mibi-mo2cn]

can you give a link please it’s sounds hella interesting ngl

[@vanessarl8]

@@naojen13 It's in Spanish tho! And talked about BTS specifically but she also said it was for all kpop so it works. Well it does have automatic subs that aren't so bad and are understandable so if you wanna watch it still you can search it by typing Bts marketing Neus Díez :) And kind of related I recommend searching about neuromarketing!

[@vanessarl8]

@@Mibi-mo2cn You can read my previous reply! :) Ah and also I don't put links bc KZbin deletes the comments considering them as spam :')

[@borntobetogether]

que bien me viene saber español en estos momentos jeje. ya lo voy a ir a ver gracias por comentar!

[@chy6605]

what you said abt selena is 100% true and its abt time other ppl and even selenators realise it. 💀

[@unnecessary111]

Fr dude

[@woofwoof4109]

I feel like blinks are going to be the end of bp themselves. like just be happy for the 4 women? its not that hard lol

[@tolanisimpson5360]

THIS!!!!

[@pixelpudding3914]

Absolutely! Honestly with the way blinks act, you’d almost expect that they were 4 soloists who have 4 toxic fanbases fighting each other. It kind of blows my mind sometimes when you remember blinks are supposed to be one singular entity bc there really is no showing of that. ALL fandoms, EVERY SINGLE ONE, NO EXCEPTIONS, is going to have infighting, but blinks are on another level. Like the fact that there even are NAMES for the individual members that are regularly used and popularized itself is nuts.

[@lilysun1217]

And the fact that some blinks accuse other fandoms of misogyny when they're misogynistic themselves...

[@tolanisimpson5360]

@@lilysun1217 !!!! MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!

[@Aelinash]

I listen to kpop since 2007 and believe when I say it, Lisa's fans are the most toxic fans I had ever seen. There is not comparison, I remember one time a tweet of someone saying that Lisa was the best dancer in kpop and I commented that while she is good she ain't the best (I wasn't hating on her, she was my bias back then), and oh god, nothing could have prepared me for the ammount of death treats I recived, they told me I was jelous and that I was being racist 💀and don't get me started with the images they send me. That day I realized how bad and extremist her fandom could be.

[@kenna1up]

@@teatree3130 they never said it was just her

[@LovelyLittleLillies]

I really don't like 4th gen stans paint Lisa and Momo as the best dancers in the industry (by best they mean female best). It's just not true. They're not bad dancers, but they're idol dancers. We never see those two try out the gritty, hard (tiring) and intricate choreos that male groups always do? I wanna see a female idol dance what BTS, EXO, and NCT did - you feel me? The closest I've seen was member of GG idr her name who did a stage with Lay and Kai. To be crowned best female idol dancer you need to be able to carry masc choreo too. That's why I find those praises so off-putting; it's too exaggerated and over the top.

[@Aelinash]

@Lovely Little Lillies emm, no? What makes you think GG choreography are easy? Lol. What's even masc choreo? Sexy and quick movements? The correct term is "open style" which is a combination of different dance genres. You don't have to be a man or a woman to dance a specific genre.

[@LovelyLittleLillies]

@@Aelinash by masc I meant doing lyrical HipHop. Sorry I had a brainfart that moment. We never see female idols and ggs do lyrical hiphop save for very rare stages than rare occasion like when GG members covered NCT Boss. I only know of Minzy who had the energy, demeanor to pull of lyrical HipHop and that's why she's a better dancer. Sorry I don't take Twice style of dancing seriously, just like I don't take Western popstars dancing seriously either (Britney, Madonna, JLo, etc. You just can't compare them to the likes of Usher and Chris Brown). Everyone knows there's more energy and skill goes to learning lyrical HipHop choreography (NCT, SVT, SKZ) than the typical dances of GGs. Only Itzy has more intricate dancing.

[@Aelinash]

@Lovely Little Lillies I get that you want them to do more street or hip-hop-based choreography but that won't do it. GG choreos may seem easy because they aren’t straight into your face like BG, but they have a lot of details, quick movements, sometimes groove, and popping, some of them even incorporate hip-hop. You can't expect gg to dance "hard" when their music is mostly pop, girly, cute and bright while bg almost of the time do hip-hop and rap songs. And let's be honest, even if BG does more hip-hop-based choreos, it's probably 1 or 2 members that can execute them well. The other ones are barely keeping up. Also we can't expect non-dancers to do something out of their league. And while Momo isn't the best dancer out there, she is pretty good, I have been watching her since the beginning and she does knows what she is doing. She has done different dance genres and she adapts very well to every single one. Yes, she has flaws, but for me, she is good to go. Also twice choreography might not be anything from another world, but they still have some grade of difficulty compared to groups like Blackpink, Red Velvet, g idle, Ive, new jeans, etc.

[@lindavanes9824]

Saw that money was getting a lot of daily streams but wasn't charting and that's apparently because they are looping the song 24/7 so they can brag about it getting 1 billion streams. 💀

[@ChloeBx]

​@emiko thing with that behaviour is that it makes the producers believe they can drop garbage and ppl will stream it, so it lessen the quality

[@lennyanyn]

​@emiko13 that's why producers don't give a shit about releasing good music in yge lmao yall will stream literally anything and give that company money

[@lindavanes9824]

​@emiko obsessed sounds more like it, did you even watch this video?

[@heythere7870]

Nothing wrong with that if they like it, they can stream it. I myself love money and play it every now and then. Not for the sake of streams though, just because I genuinely like that song along with some other OG songs.

[@lindavanes9824]

@@heythere7870 looping a song 24/7 has nothing to do with just liking a song and everything with the bragging obsession.

[@dks13nic]

no, this video is 100% fact. bp solo stans are the scariest solo stans (especially lilies) i've ever seen as a kpop stan for years. most fandom is "crazy toxic" as a group fandom, just like army, stay, etc. but their solo stan is not "crazy enough" like whats lilies did. i mean i don't really care about solo stanning unless u don't attack other idols, but the way that most of lilies act like they're worshipping lisa like a god is really crazy and it's scaring me ngl. i've seen lots of lillies in my country worship lisa like a god that can't make any mistake and also act like she's the most vulnerable and fragile person in the whole world at the same time. when i saw that, i was like "yup, I'm gonna avoid them and will never interact with them". and i've seen a few times where the sane lilies complained about how crazy toxic is their fandom. i really hate that the fact most of kpop idols that is known for their sweet and kind personality always has the most toxic fandom 🥲🥲. i feel really bad and sorry for them cause sometime people hate those idols because of their fans behaviour.

[@uglycow6204]

no really, im a rose bias and i commented that rose seems to be the member that has the most passion for music and loves writing songs, etc. and if u saw the replies you'd think i literally threatened to find bp members or something. 😭

[@dks13nic]

@@uglycow6204 what?? 😭😭. I thought that is like the most basic thing that everybody know even for non blinks that rosé is the most passionate about music 😭😭. I'm not saying that the other members don't have any passion in music anymore, but rosé is just more "on fire". Just like lisa with dancing.

[@Yoest.1]

Lisa has got to be one of the nicest, humble and talented idol there is but her fans are way too obsessive and possessive over her they treat her as if she’s some God when she’s only human. But there’s so much to like about Lisa so I get why people get drawn to her I just wish she’d have a better fan base. All the BP members deserve a better fandom in general

[@XiaoLing-pu9st]

She is nice and talented, but humble? Have you seen her interviews, she calls herself the prettiest girl in the world then dismisses it as a joke multiple times. Girl is not humble, her ego is through the roof

[@Slayyy19]

@@XiaoLing-pu9stwhich interviews?

[@leavemealone322]

I don't find her humble at all. There is an interview of her saying "I'm not like other girls" and giving such pick me energy 💀

[@Yoest.1]

@@leavemealone322 y’all really need to stop using the word pick me for almost anything a women does or says cause it’s pretty clear people like you don’t know what being a pick me is. And it’s obvious she didn’t mean to sound or act like she’s better then others, a lot of y’all were just reaching. Even if she had said she’s “like other girls” some of y’all would’ve still found a problem with that.

[@leavemealone322]

@@Yoest.1 "I'm like cute, sweet but tough. I'm kinda tomboy too. I'm not like that sweet sweet girly girl." Her own words not mine 💀 nothing about it sounds humble to me. She just sounds like she's bragging about her different she is and how she's not like other girls

[@tomo8213]

this is so accurate fr, lets hope that toxic lilies get the reality check they need because you can't drag another member for the sake of protecting Lisa - like would Lisa want you to do this? anyways I'm praying that those toxic Lisa stans don't attack you 😭

[@Everythingz127]

Egu is stronger than that

[@goldenhourss]

some toxic lisa stans are downright unhinged sending d-- t- to literally ANYONE who “outshines” or “disrespects” their idol, and it’s so crazy to think they’re the same people preaching that kidness, love that they themselves don’t show

[@DreamieQueen]

Literally had a hateful Blink on Dreamcatcher's newest song, saying their song was "empty" and that the fans were stupid for following this group. Like?! 😢

[@Oh_mariam]

I've never met a blink of kpop stan with actual humanity

[@glowbaby4703]

History gonna repeat itself with Ahyeon and chiquita…solo stanning gonna get crazier with baby monster. just wait and see!

[@mammamia013]

How’s it feel to be the bravest creator on this platform? Legendaric behavior at its finest! I just don’t want Forever to follow the same path as Blinks. I wanna say to make vids on the Everglow members. But maybe Yuehua could stop screwing around and give us a comeback first? You never disappoint! So happy I found this channel! 💙

[@Savannah-]

This is such an interesting topic to me and you covered this perfectly. I'm not particularly a fan of blackpink but I was able to understand really comprehensively. Imo a huge issue at the moment among fans that doesn't get talked about enough is the talented underdog vs undeserving favorite and the way they're treated online. I was so glad when you referenced other examples, especially wonyoung and Liz. That dynamic is capable of bringing out some of the worst in kpop fans. Mass hate/bullying and rabid solo stanning. I also find it interesting that it creates a huge solo fanbase for the perceived underdog and hatred of the princess that's clearly visible online and they'll still claim the underdog is an underdog and doesn't get attention like the princess. It's wild and way too many people participate, it has got to be called out and stopped.

[@jupiterdaughter]

The thing about Selena and Selenators is so truee!!

[@raeannetan3203]

yeah, but so many people seem to ne so supportive of her and are always hating on Hailey. the hate is actually insane considering how long it has been going on.

[@bornpink3069]

I completely agree with what u said, but I feel like this works for all the members and esp jisoo. Jisoo's entire persona atp is being a victim. Recieving less lines than jennie (tho she should get the most lines as she holds two vocal positions) not getting enough screen time (they have one of the most fair distributions in the industry, and she doesn't get lines so what will she get screen time for) and now, how she's apparently being mistreated in her solo era, igoring the fact she got the most teasers and variety shows, and ofcourse- the fact that they're literally during a world tour rn so how is she supposed to perform in sk💀 she's still being seen as this victim despite the fact she's not even the least popular member- that's rosé- and her fans are still not as crazy. They're not toxic like lilies (sooyas), but they're even more victimizing, for example- if her solo doesn't gain the daily streams they want- they'll blame blinks, saying they don't love her and ignore her. And if she breaks a record- it's all thanks to jisoo and sooyas who did it by themselves. The same can be said about jenstters (idk how to spell it lol) My conclusion is, jennie stans are overprotective, jisoo is the definition of victim biasing (when a member is the least popular, the fans immediately become more sensitive and bias them more, like jisoo, liz, gaeul, chaeryeong and maybe Jeongyeon), lisa stans are a whole cult and I can't describe them shortly, and rosé stans are a combination, but def the least toxic ones. They usually mind their own business. And that's coming from a blinks who used to be a lilie (a toxic one), then rosé biased, then jisoo biased, then jennie and now back to lisa. I've truly seen it all lol

[@zaragermany8532]

You getting gold star here. You are right Lillie’s are f*g crazy and im saying that as hard core Blink

[@Taylorc0de]

I am really interested in bts version Because as an army since 2016 Their solo stans are something 😅

[@river4164]

I would actually like one on BTS too. I believe ARMY is a very complex fandom, they're toxic, overprotective but they are loyal and dedicated as well. I think BTS's hiatus really increased solo stans a lot and the fandom is kinda divided.

[@Taylorc0de]

@@river4164 oh definitely I agree especially with increase in solo stans especially after their hiatus All the solo stans are coming out and especially of vocal line if you are on twitter They are so many of them and not to mention even more cult-y then armys themselves 😭

[@lennyanyn]

solo stans of every single member of every single group believe their idol is the one and only mistreated underdog who is hated by the fans, it's crazy lol

[@Raaaah__]

(coming from a former army from like 2016-2022) armies can be like really cool but they can also be some of the most vindictive people in kpop fandom 😭😭 the boys have genuinely achieved so much and should be commended for that but the way armies will use that fact to downplay the successes of other groups really gets under my skin. that along with (of course) the excessive solo stanning of JK and tae just rlly rubs me the wrong way and are just a few of the reasons i’ve found myself disassociating from the fandom. Still immensely respect BTS for the things they’ve done for kpop especially considering their backgrounds but the fans can be so vile.

[@girlnamjooning]

As an OT7 ARMY i somewhere feel that solostans of hyung line are pretty chill(that is if they have solo stans, I am not even sure about it) but maknae line solo stans are horrifying !!

[@EverythingxYourexNot]

Cheryl, this is EASILY one of your best videos. 👏👏👏

[@everglowup]

thank you so much 💙 glad you liked it!!!

[@EverythingxYourexNot]

I have been into kpop since 2015, I have followed BP since before their debut, Lisa has always been my bias... And I had no clue about a bunch of stuff you laid out here. And it is perfectly logical and explains so much! Truly a delight to watch this. (And your editing also, so cool!)

[@arjunchatter218]

loved your video and I hope in the next video about Jennie you'd talk about how people often mask slut-shaming her and body-shaming as compensation for her mistakes as criticisms

[@tolanisimpson5360]

THIS!!!! I am SICK AND TIRED of it, Jennie literally get unwarranted hate for existing!!! Edit: Yes, Jennie deserves CRITICISM, not death/r*pe threats nor slut shaming, CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM for choosing to be in that awful show The Idol. But some antis are just using that as an excuse to be disgusting towards Jennie.

[@selviayatri2937]

@@tolanisimpson5360 agree, i held jennie accountable too for her to consciously take part in The Idol, still sing a misogynistic song when know what it means and also praising Sam Levinson, i know its marketing but I hope Jennie get help for this, not a good mental sign for her, it screams red flags and i hope she is distancing herself from mens like that. She's wrong but it doesn't mean she have to be slut shamed

[@woodzie988]

yall watched lisa's say so cover 😭 that was horrendous, it should tell you all you need to know about her talent ,this video proved how are ppl stanning her to prove a point ,its not about her talent or the quality she puts out ,bc honestly ,what talent and what quality lmaoooooo

[@sb3937]

You’re completely missing the point. I am no fan of Lisa, I think her fans are some of the most chronically online people EVER, but she is an objectively very talented woman. One bad cover doesn’t mean you can’t do anything. She dances better than like 90% Kpop idols. And this youtuber LITERALLY made it a point to not hate Lisa and admitted that she’s talented. You guys can’t even watch a critic video without throwing in hate.

[@wdc97]

We've heard so many Kpop idols live so please don't talk. And that cover was praised by Doja's stans before kpop Stans started to trend an apologize to Doja tag.

[@fatimasummaray784]

How does this rude ass comment have anything to do with vid?

[@saraavila6981]

As someone who is been kinda of a "fan" since 2016, i saw this video a couple years ago that kinda stayed with me. The person said that the only reason why BlackPink is so famous is because of self-insert thing, and honestly makes a lot of sense, especially with Lisa and jennie. The foreign girl who is mistreated but eventually raises to victory and the Pretty badass girl who everyone wants to be but no one can beat just come straight out of a fanfic, maybe that's the reason why they shipped BP members so much with BTS. And to me, with all do respect and love in the world, that is the only reason why they are capable to maintain a fan base so devoted and obsessed like this one with such mediocre discography

[@goldenhourss]

true, they sell a fantasy, a well constructed one where fans self insert and identify in. lots of young girls go around saying: i’m jennie you can be lisa and they act accordingly

[@jejudoislander]

Omg this is gonna trigger so many people 😂

[@tolanisimpson5360]

It already did, look at the newest comments.

[@scarlett9750]

As a person who used to be “lilies”. Everything u said is FACTS. It’s so true. I used to have LISA OBSESSION PHASE when i was 13/14 and at that time im lonely. I don’t have no one who like lisa like i do at my school, my parents have to work 24/7, I’m not in the right mental state, and lastly i am a CHILD.

[@iamaisha7511]

Bruhhh I have seen how this lilies mass stream the songs of lisa even now Lisa's money is having 2-3m daily streams but it's charting literally nowhere this shows where the streams are coming from

[@wdc97]

But it's charting in 14 countries not just the global charts..but it is charting 🤷 You can criticize her and her fanbase with lying

[@iamaisha7511]

@@wdc97 buddy didn't you heard the recent news about her Spotify account being shadow banned due to illegal streaming and fake playlists

[@wdc97]

@@iamaisha7511 that isn't true though. Where did you hear that from? Where did Spotify say that? And more importantly what proof do you have of that? Why do I ask this, this isn't the first time kpop stans have reported playlists. Lisa's playlists have been reported as have 17 in the past. You said her songs aren't charting anywhere and I proved you wrong. I get it you don't like her fans or her. But hurling unsubstantiated accusations at them especially wrong ones is crazy. Finally her song is 2 years old, with no remixes just one version. it is completely normal for it to have a higher filteration rate especially when those streams come from free accounts

[@iamaisha7511]

@@wdc97 well I like her that's the reason I follow her but it doesn't mean I will treat her as godess who is perfect in everything ofc everyone has faults but her crazy obsessed fans don't want to except it so basically I don't like lilies And about the news I read it somewhere on the chrome or some community post ig and also I saw some tweeter account asking fans to not loop due to this reason

[@wdc97]

@@iamaisha7511 the issue is what exactly is looping? Blinks say don't loop but they don't know what it is. I have seen a lot of their playlists and they have more than 1 song so they aren't looping. Looping happens when you have one song on a long playlists. Say 5 hr long playlists. But they have at least 5 tracks on their playlists and those tracks are repeated multiple times. Also, question where you source your information from. A lot of blinks have actively shown resentment towards Lisa's solo trying to get the 1b milestone first. Which I understand but money would have gotten it first anyways because it had more streams than hylt the only thing is they are hastening the process and that's their choice. Why wait 1 year when you can do it in 6 months 🤷 Which leads me to saying that the blink fandom (including the solos) are incredibly immature. So you'd find a blink saying they are looping when they aren't and I have seen a lot of other groups playlists. Theirs is just like the ones the other groups use in streaming their faves songs to achieve a milestone

[@yvy.830]

lillies are the reason that yg can get away with a chaotic mess of a solo like lalisa.

[@unnecessary111]

💀💀💀 STAWP

[@_Mic_helle_]

And money

[@anemojin4384]

@@_Mic_helle_ Money is decent, Lalisa tho mmmm the lyrics are uuuh...yeah

[@_Mic_helle_]

@@anemojin4384 I don't agree with money but it's whatever 🤷🏾‍♀️ Lalisa and money's lyrics are soo trash😭

[@fatimasummaray784]

@@_Mic_helle_money may not have the best lyrics but the song is fun .

[@nabithechicken8126]

lilies are a lot. i mean they are so many of them that are active on the social media platforms. mostly twitter. that's why what you said about them being like a cult makes a lot of sense.

[@duamnefereste]

I saw a lot of blinks calling them out on their bulls*it but their response always is calling blinks antis and attacking the other 3 members because apparently they are convinced that Jennie, Jisoo and Rosé hate Lisa 💀💀

[@_Mic_helle_]

Both Jisoo and Lisa stans are soo convinced that the other members hate their fav😭. Its soo insane

[@tolanisimpson5360]

A doggone shame.😒😒😒

[@Chicoyo2]

I didn’t even know about how Lisa Stan’s are scary 😭 it’s really sad tbh. Spending so much time defending someone who doesn’t know or care about you for what? For some feeling of belonging… I hope those Stan’s realize that they depend too much on Lisa.

[@Dr.MariaA.]

I feel like a lot of the hate and adoration the girls get has to do with the way YG promoted them. We don't know much about their personalities, and they are extremely pretty, which makes fans project onto the girls their ideal characteristics. Jennie was much more at the front during their first few years, making people noticing her, and that made fans want to uplift Lisa. So, the whole fandom was divided at that point. One side was obsessed with Jennie, her looks and her charisma. The other side was obsessed with Lisa, and fans felt like they chose her. You could see the same with Jisoo and Rose. When people felt like they were not favoured by YG, fans started paying attention to the vocalists of the group. The same is happening with IVE, when wonyoung is heavily promoted, while the other members aren't promoted whatsoever, fans will start attacking Wonyoung. They will become obsessed with another member of the group. Liz got few lines in Kitsch? Let's start flooding the forums with comments/threads about her.

[@rosely1118]

9:46 I feel like the the reason why yg gave her a solo during that time was because they wanted to gain sympathy and love for her. "Oh she's such a baddie and her music is cool, why would i hate her?" They wanted that reaction from people but they received exact opposite

[@Yo99753]

In other videos, some people mentioned that the timing was wrong, and I agree with it, but her and Rosè solos to build hype for Lisa's solos, and it worked.

[@moonies321]

As a longtime blackpink fan, im very interested in this new series. I'm wondering if there will be each ep for each members individually?

[@Nameless_mixes]

Definitely for Jennie. I’d be shocked if there wasn’t one for Jisoo. Rosé is probably up in the air. I don’t think I’ve met many (if any) toxic Rosé solo stans compared to the other three. I’m sure that’ll change if a vid on them comes out.

[@0-0_kyh16]

Kpop has lots of brainless fans, this is what happens when you live in a fantasy where “my fave side is the hero or victim” It’s childish but stans are mostly kids, I used to listen to drama etc... but after growing up and working in a hospitals and call centres I’ve grown uninterested. Hearing people sounding drugged, crying, screaming or begging for blankets cause it’s cold, threatening to kill as revenge makes stans saying a “solo didn’t get as many millions of dollars as another feels pointless” I love this video because it underlines the sociology behind the kpop ecosystem and Stan culture, the level of detachment people feel when things are online is new to human history

[@ludofratta2328]

Lisa used to be my bias wrecker when I first started to like blackpink. Her personality is really similar to mine when I'm with my close friends. My bias has always been Jisoo because she acts how I'm really like, but that aside I first started to like them when blackpink house came out so I had the best impression of them. They were lovable, sweet to each other and from their first single albums they were doing great. Whistle was really the best song for me for the longest time. I wasn't on twitter before 2022 so luckily I skipped most of the bloodshed of the Jennie scandal, but I knew how bad the situation was. That said I don't have a bias wrecker anymore, I hardly ever comment on Lisa things on twitter because I hate when some crazy lillies write back like they were writing the new testament of Lisa's bible. I only comment on Jennie and Rosè's stuff and of course Jisoo. I love them equally and most time I am able to comment on some things with Lisa cause I am in a decent part of twitter being a carat and moa as well. However I really hate how some lillies ruined the fun for normal blinks to enjoy Lisa. She is a great artist even if her music is not the best, but her talent is really something else. It is a common toxic blinks problem that they gatekeep so much the members that now everything they do outside of blackpink is either a problem or considered a privilege: possibly dating... no way they can't or of course someone would be dating her, brand deal and promotions the same. I just thank Youngji for her interview with Jisoo that maybe shut up some toxic solo stans when she said they laugh about they batshit crazy things they write about them hating each other and the dating rumors of Jennie (I don't even care if it's true, I haven't seen much pictures cause it should be their privacy, but if it's true it will put some entitled armys and blinks in their place). That said people joke about a fandom cleansing, but we should really bring some people into mental hospitals cause some of them need some help for real

[@sunaslayss]

Let’s all appreciate how well made this is. from the script to the editing to the whole video idea, it was all awesome. Im so exited for this series!! :>

[@eduardos9905]

And don't forget the bullying towards Lisa allegations inside the group and Jennie's video (literally a joke to her friend and bandmate) saying she would gift her a slap as a birthday present Lisa's fans used to justify their reasoning.

[@oftenunsaid2175]

Lisa's fans are going to be the downfall of her. The more they act toxic the more people will resent Lisa. It's not a good look and I feel sorry for Lisa. Her fans are doing more damage to her.

[@lia_mp_21]

honestly, if blackpink stans just came together and decided to work together, they'd have a lot more new stans(due to lack of toxicity), and the fandom would be so much nicer. the girls don't deserve all this either :/

[@lennyanyn]

they won't, because blackpink doesn't do it themselves. they only feed into this narrative because of lack of content

[@lia_mp_21]

@@lennyanyn i think that some blinks really pushed the idea of bp being the 'dungeoned group' and YG realized that it was a money-making narrative and ran with it///i've noticed that more toxic fandoms usually are a lot more obsessed with streaming and breaking records

[@beyivy691]

Lisa was the 1st member i started to dislike before she even became that famous because of the insane sugar coating her fans do. Every breath she takes, every fart she makes always needs to be the best. They would pick a video of her danxing normally next to other dancer idols and when i say normally i mean not better, not worst, but her fans somehow see an illusion of her eating uo everyone. She always needs to have the most lines, she qlways needs to be the center of the choreography knowing damn well that rhey are a group with PAIR members which means there can be no center unless someone is hidden in the backgrouns. She had by far the worst solo debut in kpop and by worst i mean the music quality not the sales and streams and numbers,but her fans somehow managed to make her break all these records for 2 songs that sound like nothing. I wouldnt be surprised if she announces tomorrow that she's starting a cult and people will actually build a temple for her and worship her like a goddess. Thats how sick in the mind her fans are. They are also the reason why BP have such a divided fandom, they were the 1st stans to give themselves a solo fandom name despite their faves being in a group, they basically started treating Lisa like a solo artist and tried to convince everyone that Lisa was being held back to push Jennie. Even after she had the best promotions and most expensive music videos her fans still managed to victimize her and make people think that she was being "mistreated". When i see Blinks talking about how BP are the only genuine group because they dont see each other as competition i feel a few braincells of mine burning because wtf. If there's one group where the members were constantly pitted against each other than it's BP. And the saddest thing ia that they werent put in competition by the company but by the fans, and most preciaely Lisa fans. Also im not letting yall forget that Lisa stans are the main rrason behind the crazy Jennie hate Train in 2018 because they were jealous iver the fact that Jennie debuted solo 1st and saw her as a threat to Lisa. For a few years it's always been Lisa stans vs Jennie stans until Rose Released her Solo and started breaking recorda and thats when Lilies switched from hating on Jennie to hating on Rose and mocking her for not breaking as many records as Lisa. And then there was a period of time where Jisoo was gaining more and more attention and getting praised for her visuals so Lilies being the jealous bitter lunatic animals that they are started hating on her too. They want Lisa to be considered by EVERYONE as the prettiest idol (and used to always manage to put her as the n1 prettiest face in the world, she would win against people like Irene and Jisoo which is just crazy) they want her to be the best female dancer, they would even go as far as saying that she raps better than Jennie, I even saw some of them say that she has banger and princess disney vocals😂. They are fucking crazy and are the problem when it comes to fanwars within the Fandom. They need mental help.

[@jenniferanthony9260]

Awwwww cry more, you’ll heal

[@iamaisha7511]

Even after so much obsession of their fans they are the one who interact least with their fans they only interact when they have promotion don't even do lives when they they do it on paid apps lol they dgaf about their fans and then their obsessed fans says they are in bothered queens . Also in blackpink case education plays a big role like lisa in recent interview said she is changing and being more confident right now might be becoz of puberty 😂😂😂😂 girlie hitting puberty in 26

[@wdc97]

She said she is going through a quarter life crisis. That's what was said

[@theread3480]

This video describes pretty much everything I hate about the Kpop community. Sometimes I’m so embarrassed to call myself a Kpop fan.

[@sinnopal1]

Well, the cult is mostly from international fans, especially those from Thailand. In fact, Lisa is the last in popularity among 4 members in South Korea.

[@samanthakim5035]

This is pure chaos. I didn't realize this situation got even worse. I thought it was only the fight of other fandoms. Seriously, this is insane. I never realized this because either the community or comment section I got in a few years ago was good. I got into an argument with someone years ago and I pointed out Lisa has better dance skills I pointed out pretty logical reasons and someone just said it's because I stan Lisa(the Manoban on my profile) which is not my intention. I'm an OT4 stan and I just put her surname because it sounds good to pronounce. It's not worth it at this point to get into this kind of situation. This episode is well-put. I have full awareness of how the fandom BLINK is so chaotic.

[@samanthakim5035]

I'm not engaged with K-pop fandoms for the sake of my sanity for a year now. I still stream but not to the point I make it my routine *Flashback back to 2020👀*

[@nabithechicken8126]

for someone who stan lisa, your essay is so unbiased. you are good!

[@erinmariedsouza2815]

holyyyy shiiit. I was a massive blackpink fan when I was about 14 ( since their debut ) and I am currently pushing 21. I think I have been through all the stages honestly, the massive fandom, the delusional shipping, the fan accounts and then finally falling out. I still love blackpink and recently went to their concert this year. I had a blast. But as with many things, I wasn't as religiously into them as I was before. When I was younger, I used to constantly be bothered by people hating on blackpink. Now I have bigger problems to worry about lol. I can 100 percent say that most of her fans are young and grow within time. When I was younger, I used to be so stressed and get upset how hate comments over blackpink and Lisa lmao. But here I am , almost 21 not batting an eye about their hate but worrying about my own issues. But i absolutely love your analysis! It's pacing and timing is done so well. I absolutely loved how you started it out from people hating them to the fans feeling the need to overly defend them.

[@yebasido9215]

You ate this up. ❤ I remember really loving Lisa when I first joined the fandom at the height of the Jennie vs Lisa dispute. Now, the Stan’s have made the whole fandom so toxic that it’s hard to focus on the girls anymore. The girls all love each other, why can’t the stans?

[@dksrose]

i was a blackpink stan and Jennie biased back then in 2019. I fall deeply in love with her when they came back with their single kill this love. It was completely random haha, I discovered them through an ig account unrelated to Kpop stuff that I was following and wanted to watch it by curiosity. Wasn't disappointed at all and it's what made me a blackpink and Jennie stan back then. Kpop was kind of a new experience to me, I mean ive heard of Kpop through some friends and watched some videos but I wasn't't really in it. It's blackpink that made me a Kpop stan. So after meeting them I started watching all their contents and I was so happy ! But something was off... I remembered during those times that blinks weren't mentioning Jennie as much as the other 3 or praising her at all. Only Jensetters were doing it. so I was wondering why was she ignored by her own fandom and I've realized that blinks were mostly Lisa biased + OT3 (meaning Jennie out). I Was really sad back then so I stopped being a blink and a blackpink fan overall because I just couldn't handle the hate Jennie was getting from the other members' stans (for example when she was getting praised someone would answer that "Lisa did great too", "but rosé is so pretty here not only Jennie", "jisoo did it better" or whatever but jensetter wouldn't do it or if they did, way less. So I completely erased blackpink from my stan list and started to stan other groups with less hateful fans. Blinks and Lilies won. They made me completely ditch Jennie too cause it was getting hard for me to see tons of mean comments, it was so stressful.

[@Chaewonmylove5]

Im so excited for this series and its amazing to find people speak facts !!

[@LOL_bye]

This series is about to be one of my favs from you, so excited!

[@friendlyblckgirl]

I lost all respect for her fandom when I saw them bash and say the most vile things about the other members.

[@ayukive]

you should make a video particularly on solo stans of bp, like this group is the first one who has a fandom full of solo stans for the members it's insaneeeee

[@ly_sea]

I'm surprised you didn't touch on how much her fans self insert into her. it's the most extreme type of self insertion I've ever seen.

[@brianacadestin5271]

I'm sorry I love Lisa but when it comes to Rapping and stage presence Lisa doesn't stand a chance against Jennie it is just my opinion Jennie was given the main Rapper position for a reason and not only that even if she wasn't the main rapper people would still say it should've been her a lot of people even say that Lisa can't Rap and Jennie is way better frankly I agree and disagree Lisa can rap and have really good stage presence but Jennie is way better.

[@girlnamjooning]

Jennie is a definately a better vocalist,and a better rapper(though many argue that Lisa improved and now is interchangeable to Jen,but i find Jennie better) however even if stage presence is subjective,consistency is not!! Jennie has a good but inconsistent sp,while Lisa is not only good but also consistence. That's why Lisa will always take the point for sp!!

[@Kpop.addict_Drama]

You ate this up im so excited for this series

[@goldenhourss]

loved how you made a connection between cults and lisa stans because i never thought about that and gosh do i love these well made videos. such a breath of fresh air.

[@em4979]

I love kpop fans with common sense.

[@rosieposiedidnteatavacados]

You have one of the best kpop essays videos

[@tolanisimpson5360]

She really does, it is so professionally layed out, how does she do it?

[@tomo8213]

literally tho - this is best one i've seen

[@lauveangelis]

fr they're the only ones I can actually sit through

[@orangelady416]

I think you should make a video about kpop maknaes and the obsession with them. It's a weird thing but I've realized we always lean more into the maknaes of most groups

[@ETanishkaLolage]

"they are probably not given enough attention at home and school" true!!

[@serenitysubs933]

i remember my dad telling me he got a bad vibe from lisa after Money came out, he mentioned something about there being a shift in blackpink's direction as a company rather than a group and that because their fans will worship anything they do, they can now influence them in any way they want, i don't know if you care about this take but it think its interesting to explore considering that blackpink have changed over the years and the lack of promotion and music they need to be relevant in society today.

[@goldenhourss]

as someone who previously wanted to become a trainee until i realized how toxic it was lol i felt a deep connection with lisa and i feel like most blinks and lisa stans especially see her as a manifestation of their own dreams and success. they almost identify themselves in her, in what she does, how she dresses, her luxurious brand deals exc. it’s a parasocial relationship with some roleplay involved.

[@partypartyyeah1372]

I dont know why lisa never addressed her fans obsessive behaviour. When her fans threatened her own friends, I didn’t see her letting her fans know their place and support her friends. May be she is proud and happy that she has good number of fans, they follow her whereever she goes, supports her work but I personally feel she ahould also let her fans to know their place and should address their obsessive and toxic behaviour towrads others

[@wdc97]

Did any other kpop idol do the same? Why is she the one to be the first to do so?

[@partypartyyeah1372]

@@wdc97 didn't blinks want blackpink to be no.1 in everything?? Y can't they be no.1 in this then?? This will purely be "revolution" if she speaks on it. But she will N.E.V.E.R do it!!

[@wdc97]

@@partypartyyeah1372 when did that happen? Blinks wanting BP to be successful doesn't mean they want them to be no. 1 in everything. That's armies. Armies entire existence is trying to make them no. 1 in everything. 2. Again why should she be the one to address it when she and her family has been the victim of cyber bullying and harassment from kpop fans from debut to now. 3. Why don't you ask the same of your faves first. It looks like you want a gotcha moment not any real or impactful change in kpop fan culture which is as pathetic as it is disgusting. Keep your fake moral policing where the sun doesn't shine hypocrite BTS gleefully watched armies slutshame Doja, Ari, Olivia and did nothing. Please spare me the fake morality JK should have spoken when Lisa was slut shamed for days for a Spotify error. Why didn't he? I guess he is a misogynistic narcissist who derives sick pleasure in seeing women degraded in his name 🤷

[@ajlee2168]

​@@wdc97do you think you could ever make a comment defending these girls without bringing up bts for no reason? just wondering.

[@wdc97]

@@ajlee2168 I asked a question too kiddo. Maybe BTS fans should stop being obsessed with BP for a change and work on their hateful racist fandom instead 🙃

[@Crystal_050]

I am literally cryinggg!! Like finally someone made a video which actually talks abt the root cause of all of this. I myself don't stan Lisa which is why i dont watch her content it's that easy. Everyone has a phase where they r obsessed with kpop but i soon drifted out becoz i am extremely lazy to stream a song i dont like and even the songs i like and secondly i love my life more than kpop. Having ppl who have same mindset as our plays a vital role in our life and most toxic lillies dont have them which leads to all of this. Its an advice to not be obsessed with someone who doesn't even knows u and ur existence be happy with urself and try to improve. Btw i love ur vids and ur editing was so cool keep it up. Lots of love 💕