Chiquita expression is just right look at all her fan cams in drip - not over performing at all what are you talking about ?

Yet now she is performing normal and you lot are loosing your kimchi begging her to outperform rest of baby monster again! 😂 Ahyeon be running on y’all minds 24/7 so sad

Did not know he has been in quite a bunch of fan driven chaos with him in the middle of it. Been searching everywhere and everyone only has praises for Bang Chan and is swatted like a fly when negative things is said about him in the comments. I do agree that he should be responsible for what he said and the mayhem that ensued. I am a new recent baby Stay as of Sept 2024 and Chan bias. I also got told off by voicing some things that don't add up about Chan to an Instagram Stay. I got told off if I am a Stay and to ask Chan himself for clarity. I did ask him in bubble but he does not even read the messages. I simply questioned why he doesn't seem to give out autographs during fan sightings compared to the other members like Felix in Namu Island and recently the Sydney concert fan sightings which Hyunjin, Lee Know and Han all obliged. But never heard any from him despite being sighted in Australia concert. Searched the net for any but only the famous autograph exchange between Ryan Reynolds, Ling ling the old resto they frequent as trainees and a Japanese record store owner, an Australian kpop store getting their autographs . Basically only business related ones get autographs and random fans don't which contradicts of the impression being put out of him being the whole green forest and love Stays.(edit: I finally saw 1 person saying she got his autograph last Dec 2023 assuming it was in Korea on tiktok just awhile ago -_- ) Everyone only has praises for him so seeing the glaring contradictions is confusing me. And also questioned why did Chan need to lie about who wrote the lyrics to the songs Drive, Red lights when everyone will see it in the credits anyway? Need to lie about the meanings of those songs including his solo song Railway about trains? And why lie that he doesn't drink when I can see vids of all of the members drinking together, of him in a live once looking drunk throwing the phone on his bed and it bouncing off somewhere and of Sun Si Kyung saying they drank together with Cha Eun Woo in their youtube channel? I just don't get it. the Stays are overprotective to a certain weirdness like the idol is a glass doll and have put him on a pedestal like they can never do anything wrong. And if see them in their free time like they should be treated as untouchables. A lot seemed to say they should never be approached or photographed even in public places. I remember normal response is to want to take a pic and get an autograph when bumping into celebrities after respectfully asking them since I was little . And simply sharing the joy of the encounter. When did everything get complicated -_-

It's company's fault that kep1er flop

Ugh thank you sm for this

Because the cult like obsession is not just psychologically influenced due to great marketing it’s spiritually influenced especially with how Lisa admitted to seeking a fortune teller to change her name to gain that level of fandom.

My first thought after only watching the documentary was that it was so weird the editors chose to show Manon in such a terrible light, given that she made it in the group. As someone from the professional dance world- you miss a single rehearsal without explanation and that's the end of your career. I was pissed at her by the end of it, think everyone else was totally justified in their complaints, and I have next to no desire to follow Katseye because of it. That's... not the desired outcome, I'm sure. I was genuinely shocked when I heard people thought Manon was being bullied. I'm still trying to remind myself she was a child and deserves grace. But she was pulling stunts that would have gotten anyone else fired long before she got COVID. Early on in the doc I was frequently asking myself "why is Manon still here?" I don't know. Seeing Adela robbed like that, and how poorly the doc painted Manon- I wonder what the objective was for the documentary editors. I loved Sophia, Lara, and other Katseye members, but my grown ass adult self still has a bad taste in my mouth over the Manon issue. They had literal years of footage they could have used. Why focus on a storyline that paints a member poorly? But when people villainize Adela, Lara, Sophia, I'm like... did we watch the same doc? In what world are they in the wrong? What is going on? But if Manon has truly become a team player and doesn't act like that anymore, I would like evidence of that so I can warm up to her and start enjoying Katseye content. It's just really hard to do after this doc.

Just a brief note. If any of the pinks or blink fans try to drag Jisoo. We would drag their entire generation through hell. Because this video didn't come out when rosé stans were been xenophobic to jisoo because she can't speak english. You have tik tok and X stans behaving like mud heads but when Jisoo fans respond, we are called assassin. The time when we were been insulted on twitter about Jisoo and her mini van fans. We weren't toxic that time. When Jennie and Lisa stan made Jisoo loose a brand deal.Jisoo fams weren't toxic. Yall just started

Your research ain't complete one of the things that turned Jisoo solo fandom was SD gates the story blewup and her survival made her look like a legend most Jisoo stan didn't stan her out of pity they saw someone who was trying to survive SD gates was the biggest turn of Jisoo career and causes one of the biggest waves till today i got to know about her with my roommate through SD gates

what ever admin or other can say everything because this is internet but jisoo sucess is only jisoo talent and jisoo loyal fan base support it!!!!jisoo fan more focus on jisoo dont compare with other so much but some one try to argue with jisoo the must be defence mode on it!!!!

While you have brilliantly higlighted the ingenious of the pity party, even i can't deny it. You have failed to highlight the fact that Jisoo has infact shown most improvements. -Picked up stacto rapping without being a rapper -Improved her vocal skills despite being a mezzo-soprano being paired with a soprano on most cases -Her vocals served as some of the biggest highlights of the BP album -Presented a full-choreo stage despite all the backlash against her dancing, and she NEVER faltered during her solo performance even when she has an injury. And, the mistreatment isn't a fantasy theory. Leave out lines distribution, if you'd like, there are many other scenarios where Jisoo was pushed back. Its was even revealed by a brand representative that YG made it difficult for them to work with Jisoo as much as possible. And we were all here for the SD gate when YG took a BLOODY backseat as the entire nation tore Jisoo APART on her BLOODY DEBUT! You think Jennie's hate train was bad (not to minimize her suffering), but Jisoo had organizations and lawyers writing petition to the Blue House against her debut work. And, her company did nothing. How about how her solo debut was inappropriately managed? Till today, her b-side has no audio or visual content on YT. She had no international performances and promotions like the others did, she didn't even get a media showcase. Or, were they done in secret? Where are the references to these? Or was it not worth mentioning in defense of why her fans feel so much sympathy for her? And, Jisoo's success is NOT built on pity. That woman has one of the most profound effects in her solo outings; in fashion, acting, music. Everytime the BITCH steps out she SHAKES the bloody table. That Jisoo apocalypse of PFW 21, the success of SD despite the controversies, the exponentially success of million-seller debut. THAT IS NOT PITY! Celebrities like Charlize Theron, Yara Shahidi, Bea Donna didn't became close friends Jisoo because of PITY. She has an undeniable magnetic aura that grew as she grew. A lot her fans, like myself, are drawn to her for her. And, even though I can't deny the pity campaign being a big part of her story, I won't disrespect her by saying it made her successful. But, YES. 😁 We'll take that evil genius 👑. Thank you.

I will always disagree with the "fairest distribution line overall". Its seems like a very biased opinion... i find it really hard to take this video seriously, as it feels like its pushing a certain narrative.

Nah. Some of your arguments are flawed and literally contradicts each other. It's easy to counter each point. I mean, I could make a counter essay of this but I won't because it's just kpop. Waste of energy. Kpop was and is never that serious.

Finally someone speaks about, I have been a blackoink fans sice middle school (but never acknowledge the fan wars) and I was completely shoock reading coments about her recently, like why are you so angry at her succeeding? Honestly moving into the western market is a smart move, she has always become viral outside the kpop bubble, that's how I get to into blackpink in the first place, I was not into kpop and kwen nothing about it, but I watch her Swala performance and that's how I was introduced to Blackpink

Whole eassy making us evil viper 😂

I love Lisa. I have never bullied any one or acted like she was perfect / defended her once. I also love Jennie. I have NEVER liked the idea of worshipping an idol and I don’t. I am honestly am embarrassed for liking them. Or any k pop. I like a couple of k pop groups and I support the music the BLACKPINK girls has made that I like. I actually don’t tell most people I like any k pop (due to being lumped in with the same group of people that I despise). The majority of k pop stans are not totally sane.

35:00 girl, you have no idea How much I love you I would say PSY has made kpop most popular by ganganm style 💯

thank God i found someone speaking about the disgusting things some fans do to male idols. The +18 fanarts and the corn accounts on twitter are too much, makes me really disgusted

8:02 Leeseo is a BEAST and I love that

Aren't you the same person that said Itzy and lesserafim didn't went through a hate train and now you posted 2 videos defending the people bullying them. But I am not surprised bcoz u are a dive. Also I don't get "WoRK iN ThE SiLEnt" thing. Kpop stans say that they want authenticity but when some idols show their ambitions or anxiety they are hated on by hypocrites like you. You justifying the bullying they are getting just adds fire to the hate. Like Yunjin said- "It gets so easy to be all cynical, like snarky and sly, because that's what gets you the most ENGAGEMENTS. But there's a law, a principle in the universe, and what's true, just, and right will always get the last laugh in the end."

Sooooo accurate. I watch the documentary first and it actually mad emerges root against manon based on her behaviour. I can’t believe how dumb fans are and being mean to adela and other girls. Im sure the girls are dealing with it now and hope they are all good with manon since she’s in the group.

This video reeks of another level of victimization of Lisa when she has clearly always had the most fandom support and hype. Plus I feel like you jumped the gun and said that she was already the most successful member when Rosé and Jennie hadn’t even released anything yet.. Also heavily touched up studio vocals really don’t prove she is a competent vocalist when her live singing is pretty much nonexistent. I think the recent releases actually showed that the so-called popularity of Lisa in the west is overblown and her support and hype mainly lies in Asia. I get that Lisa is your fav but I usually find your videos pretty fair and objective. This one definitely felt very biased

Casual listener here. I honestly have never especially liked itzy. I’ve listened to dalla and icy a bit but their music get boring very quickly. There’s nothing interesting about it. Once you stop watching the mv for their dancing, the music just doesn’t match up. There are better groups out there.

I honestly think Sakura lacks actual singing talent. She doesn’t put the effort in to improve because perhaps in her kind, she doesn’t need to.

wait..isn't she Slovak? (anyways, stan Adéla!)

Just another example of why being beautiful matters more than hard work. Manon, let be honest, is absolutely stunning. She is centre material. She doesn’t need to be good at anything as long as she looks good. Adela doesn’t have the same it factor despite how talented she is and how hard working she is. It’s a sad truth about this world.

Not the LeeKnow erasure 13:21

Actually who really follow bp girls will know how much they're ambitious and have High expectations of themselves from the start

The editing in this is out of control good - it looks great!!

Manufactured drama in survival shows are cheap gimmicks very much like how bad horror movies use jumpscares. The most successful shows or shows that had the most successful seasons were when contestants were authentic and could complain about unfair treatments and ACTUALLY have it listened to. Real authentic drama that isn't soul destroying.

their management is either lazy and doesnt care, or genuinely stupid and counting on luck, honestly all the above.

this whole manon situation, the way the company treated her so obviously favourably and the way all the fans jumped to defend her and still turn a blind eye to genuine criticism about her really shows just how far pretty privilege alone can get you....

it truly blows my mind that ppl tried to pull the race card with adela and manon,, like.....what??? stupid issues are like these diminish actual racial issues, i just cant

i watched the whole show before going online to see the discussion and was so surprised to find out that adela was villainised when really, she was just speaking hard facts and wasnt even being mean or nasty about it. it shocks me how ppl so quickly take things out of context just to find a reason to jump on someone

I feel like Kpop fans need to shift their priorities away from superficial things like looks, stage presence, outfits, persona's, marketability, and instead just focus on the only thing that matters abouts music - which is the music itself. I like Rose because she's the best singer. I don't need many other reasons.

I feel like the phrase „I want to change the industry“ was scripted by Hybe. Nevertheless i don’t like Le Sserafim‘s turn of concept. Their debut song fearless and first comeback anti fragile were strong powerful and charismatic which I really loved. When Hybe released easy my jaw dropped but in a negative way. I’m not sure how Hybe wants le sserafim to change the idol industry by disrespecting Christianity. Hybe is this really how you want to change the idol industry?

I used to hate her when i was younger for about 1-2 months because i was so dumb and didn't even research and believed all the hate videos, then I found out it was all just edited and found the real videos of her. She's sweet and kind. Since that, i always support every idols i see because i don't want to regret it like i did to wonyoung. Now i can't love her properly because i felt guilty and stupid. But i admire her so much. She's my role model

Anyone after APT. release . Rosé is definitely killing the game right now 😂 ( I know lilies will attack me because they can't accept facts but idgaf)

It's not just with Lisa but k-pop fans really don't want any member of the group to Breakout from the kpop bubble . Because many kpop fans be like they are still kpop . I think kpop fans need to accept this that the girls are going out of k-pop industry now . Specially Lisa and Rosé.

girl worry abt that damn lisp and stfu omfg

0:45 you just learn about the Industrial Revolution or something?

Watching the show it's clear they built the group around Manon instead of making her prove her talent and that the deserved to be there.

So...am I the only one who thinks the people coming at you and saying now how 'toxic' you are when they didn't seem so keen on tone policing you before are secretly choosing to pinpoint you because of THIS video?

Adela will become the star on her own

This opinion is highly biased and appears to be made to appease the very haters you are criticizing. Everyone has the right to their opinion. I simply disagree with it

The way I just knew who the top3 would be>>