Gen Z Quietly Gave Up, And Nobody Noticed

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Created by: Fads
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a video about doomerism/giving up/etc and what little we can do to regain control in a world that feels like it's spiralling out of control.
the goal is for u to feel a lil better after watching this
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References/Sources:
The reddit post:
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The "humanity is doomed" stat:
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This cool Dr K video was mad helpful:
• Doomers in a Boomer Wo...
As was this pursuit of wonder video:
• Who Is The Doomer? - D...

[@Fads]

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[@williampearson6299]

Good. Stop having children while you're at it

[@carlosr192]

The truth is that your vision can change the world...but you have to united and create your political heros. Here in Brazil we have two under 30's federal congress man's. More of them more voice and changes. Company's has there vision...some groups either. Is just a matter of one single voice...but is important in a capitalist world have good numbers to change something.

[@christophercolumbus1560]

​@@carlosr192 Of course. No introspection, but ample stump for political change. The depression of Generation Z is artificial, and has been carefully put in place by Freirean Marxist educational capture in the west.

[@seabreeze4559]

called a NEET

[@1CT1]

Romans 10:9 = Eternal life +++

[@FraterMerovius]

Once you begin to perceive that the game is rigged, continuing to play makes no sense. The real challenge becomes finding another game to play, or creating your own.

[@animeloveer97]

Yep I currently live by the do what I want when I feel like It rule now because I may as well lol I know that this way of the world is shit and I'm not rolling in it lol

[@nick.p.9328]

I felt this comment

[@aaronanytime8897]

The game is rigged, and it is not at the same time. We have a greed and power problem at the top and a game with a shitty design.

[@altonsafe]

This was my conclusion as well

[@bluebeka2458]

The game is barely playable for some. And yet still expected to play. What a scam. I want my money back.

[@_vicary]

We millennials lived the transition from optimism to generational depression, and watching these is heartbreaking. Nothing feels more powerless than this.

[@joecoffee7750]

Well said. We were the children of the 90s, the world was so full of life back then, did 9/11 end the world?

[@AbuseDigital]

@@joecoffee7750 it defiantly seems that way. With that and the natural disasters coming more often than we can afford to rebuild anything with no consideration of how to come back to regular life whatsoever. I say just hang on to each day ❤ 1:38

[@grandsome1]

@@joecoffee7750 More like Bush presidency that threw climate change in the bin for a decade or more, and continued laying the ground work Reagan, Bush and Clinton laid for the 2008 crash.

[@emmaphilo4049]

@@joecoffee7750 the 90s were already depressing ie grunge and most of gen X art and music

[@cosodesign8953]

@@emmaphilo4049 there were definitely features of it showing up at that time but I distinctly remember the 90s feeling hopeful and fun.

[@meddiii6978]

I always attempt to tell my parents about how hard and rigged everything is. I always say life is like a monopoly game except all properties are bought and have a hotel on them. We just move around the board and pay until we die.

[@beegyoshi2430]

I just feel like we’re getting to the point where the whole world is about to French revolution itself

[@embryositter]

That has always been my analogy too

[@Endwankery]

Fantastic analogy

[@Senneih_cram]

Why do you "attempt" to tell your parent, as if they don't know it ?

[@kuro_mori_vt]

⁠@@Senneih_crambecause they don’t. they do not experience the same reality that we do. if your parents aren’t job hopping, they won’t know the reality of job hunting. Their advice is all outdated. School isn’t the same as before, your peers aren’t the same as before, finding a job is COMPLETELY different and not in your favor if you’re remotely short of perfect for the job, many parents still haven’t realized how much the world revolves around being online and being exploitable.

[@productionf1lms]

"Giving up" would imply that we were ever given the chance to try in the first place.

[@andynull8869]

true millenials tried and learned the hard way... these kids are more mathmatical or sumthing

[@cheshire147]

yah im so sick of rebooting

[@unchartedraider7547]

Listen. Even getting hired for a job when your CV id objectively good is hard. Corporations don't want a human being they want a sheep that has the intelligence of a robot and endurance of Hercules but refuse to even offer you a meal. Life sucks and unless you have an insane amount of money OR the luck of the fucking gods WITH a lot of connections. You are never getting out of poverty. You are never going to be able to even buy a house because renting an appartement is almost impossible already. Affording a kid ? Even adopting a fucking orphan is expensive. A pet ? That's a child. Like there is a reason people buy more and more plants. Because that's all we can afford.

[@SouvenTudu3]

Yes

[@DeadlyChinchilla]

@@andynull8869 As an older Millennial I feel this deeply. My age group tried SO HARD to play by the rules, to make things work, but we were undercut at every turn. Millennials own so little wealth, and the vast majority of our statistical wealth is horded by people like Elon Musk, who have like 98% of our generations wealth. I have worked diligently my entire life, only to realize I will never be able to retire. My family took annual vacations in my youth, sent 3 kids to college. I will never take a grand vacation, and I have no kids because there's no way to afford to raise them anymore. And I have a certain level of privilege (white female from a stable family home). I can never expect to retire, rest, and every hobby I have has to be monetized to justify ALLOWING myself to do it. IE- I have to sell paintings to justify wanting to paint, etc. And if we complained that the deck was stacked against us, that we would never have what our parents had, we're whined at that "nobody wants to work anymore." Ummm I'VE NEVER NOT WORKED. No one I know has ever "not worked." The Boomers generation crippled our ability to thrive and do nothing but whine when we stop cooperating. I'm PROUD of the latest generation refusing to play the game. I wish I had refused. It's not worth it to work yourself into the grave and have no life.

[@reyr.7439]

Life feels so hopeless as a Gen Z. When I was 13 I imagined my life as an adult being independent, successful, getting a nice home and good career if I just put in the work. Now I’m 25 still living with parents, hoping minimum wage jobs, and cost of living at an all time high. The poor get poorer while the rich get richer. It feels like this is no hope left for the younger generation, everyone I know is struggling financially, some have been unemployed for over a year.

[@samusaran7317]

500 million........ 👀

[@da41]

seems like ur complaining about poor life choices. there's beauty in the struggle. u can become rich or atleast wealthy but i'ts not easy, which in return gives u a goal/purpose in life. u won't get financial freedom with a job. Start investing or start a business.

[@1merllin1]

​@@da41The system is rigged. The only way to truly gain money is to invest money and there is dozen of people who make more per day than the everyday people do in their life. Using money to make money means people get extremely lazy and contribute nothing to society, all while those do don't get anything of the cake. As the farmer said, it ain't much but it's honest work (at least).

[@wolfgangmozart888]

​@@1merllin1you're illiterate. You know nothing about how the financial market works. I cringed hard while reading your comment. And there's no "cake". Economy is not a zero sum game.

[@wolfgangmozart888]

​@@Eclipsed972loser mentality

[@ade1174]

Most young people nowadays don't want to be used by someone else and thrown out like an old rag when they get older. Feeling ownership over your work and like you're contributing to the world is so much more fulfilling than doing grueling work that only raises someone else's bottom line.

[@mrnobodymobile]

Unfortunately that's how capitalism is set up to work

[@SunIsLost]

Yea.

[@SunIsLost]

Freelance is a big thing

[@CastingShadow]

This. I learned from my parents suffering and I did not want the same fate. Over that I would choose death anytime. Somewhat I got myself into seemingly worse, they had the chance to move in whatever they wanted. I learned everything I could to be a freelancer, struggled at university with all the boomer teachers. They never cooperated in anything, they hit us somewhat fucking top tier students harder, to eventually break. Loving what you do and be disciplined means nothing when you are the biggest shit they've ever seen. Making art is a field you tend to love with all your heart, they made us question all of it. They were like psychiatric patients and narcissists reflecting on everyone. Like, telling us we do nothing, meanwhile starting the work at 7 AM and finishing at 11 AM. Some of us brought home work, if it was moveable, to work on it for an extra 2-3 hours. Quick shower, no eating, nothing. And when I finished, It felt like I used up all of my energy, like a turtle I went back into my shell and got just as slow, not wanting to go anywhere. Our fucking government made it impossible to live, with a dead end job you can't stay afloat, all my bosses were the same narcissistic fucks I met at the univ. No energy to prepare in your little studio (if you are lucky you have one) after your 2-3 job, and if you have no money saved up to start a business around you, there is no chance to ever start out. My country breaks contracts and make you pay everything back by calling in what they already gave by any chance, or you must put in the remaining leftover by yourself, with a new business earning 0, you just started with their help. What can you do now? Okay go online and make shitty content about your art you are busy with, and than? Now you can compete with A.I. or learn that too? What else should I waste time on before I see money? If our society goes on like this, there will be no one left to buy anything.

[@Timothyrpiano]

​@@CastingShadow I'm getting tired of everything. I'm getting tired of the way this society is structured and organized

[@BldgsFallStraightDwn]

I want to "chime in" here, as a nearly 52 year old man. I'm considered 'generation X'. We were apparently the LAST generation to have some kind of hope. I think MOST of my age group still did, "OK". But, I did NOT. I was one of the increasing number of I.T. people that were layed off at every hiccup in a company. I was layed off about every 1.5 - 2 years. What happened overall is that THEY (the companies) then decide that it was ME who was a risk to hire again. Because on PAPER, I was a job hopper (if I told the truth). Also, on PAPER, I was one of the ones that actually started in I.T. before there was even a "real" (Bachelor's) degree available for such a thing. So, as time went on, I became 'unqualified' (again on PAPER). I was squeezed out, fairly quickly, of the only real career I ever had. So, for the next 8-10 years I TRIED so hard to keep working (with blue collar stuff now and Uber); and somehow "get back in the game". It NEVER happened. I think that many sources began SHOWING the younger generations this type of thing. People started hearing about companies going under and mass layoffs and such. They also fully witnessed the absolute ZERO offers of things like health care and pensions and such. It was THE COMPANIES that were doing this... NOT the workers. But, it always lands on the workers. What younger people are SMART to see is the big fat LIE that society has told for way too long now. It is the 'work hard and you shall be rewarded' CRAP! It is also the lie that still persists, "... whatever condition or circumstance an INDIVIDUAL finds themselves in... it is THEY alone that is to blame. They didn't work hard enough. They wasted their money. They didn't get a good enough degree." It is society that has this cruel hatred of the individual, while giving absolute GLORY to the rich and powerful, including companies. They THINK that whomever HAS IT (money), obviously did things "right". When the TRUTH is that most likely they cheated, lied, exploited, and employed GREED at every turn... all just to show that mighty word, "PROFIT" !! Our society is FULLY SICK!! We are the most upside down species in the Universe and obviously we haven't even explored our own galaxy or even ONE star system away. We are flat out CRUEL to our fellow humans, and it just keeps getting worse. But hey, we've got roads. We've got parks. We've got Netflix. We've got CELL PHONES! So, it all works out, right?

[@JonathanLeon]

I can relate

[@thebanditman5663]

I think that MGR:R's Senator Armstrong brings up this point in his pre-boss fight speech to a T. He pointed out that people without guiding principles or faiths of any kind welcome the maxims of nationalism, (whatever your deffenition of a nation is) unilateralism, and especially materialism. That there is no need to better the self, because you're part of a collective, (and you want to screw over anyone not part of that collective) and once you've given up your beliefs, the only thing that matters is the value of your dollar, and if that's the only thing that matters, people will do whatever it takes to stay afloat. So of course when every single powerful person in the world is harassing, if not outright forcing you to give up your beliefs because it hurts nature, or the economy, or some fringe group of extremists even, it's going to soul crush god knows how many into this state of just trudging along through life aimlessly.

[@randommaddlhat7358]

Yeah, and there are two reasons for this, blinding into and contradicting each other though working well hand in hand. The first is the emerge of hyperinflation. By this, I do not solely refer to the depreciation of money. In terms of a decrease of meaning I refer to the whole world getting enslaved under the dictum of THE MORE. More Information, more friends, more work, more pressure, more freetime, more distraction, more everything. In the video, it was said that a growing number of people begin to feel that there is something off. They feel mysteriously detached from the world, as if things were starting to get futile, hollow and abstract. To my regards, this is caused by the circumstance that PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN TO MANY CONTEXTS. What do I mean by this? I mean, that digitalization, internet-presence, globalization and the connection of our economies (which are basically the products of our human externalization translated into an ideological theory) have rearranged our millenialy grown social communities, our ways of reproducing ourselves in our regional environment, our ways of enactment in our environment in such new and displayed ways that it overwhelms the cognitive capacity of many people. Like 500 years ago, the state of the entire world was to a stunning extent, that societies were fragmented in regional contexts of politics, economics and creation of meaning. For example, the great majority of people who were living in the north west of Germany didn't have a clue how people in the south were doing. And they didn't have to give a fuck as they had very limited access to ways to get information. Then, industrialization came, national states were emerging and brought gigantic systems of bureaucracy with them. Everything was getting more abstract, more cold and mechanical. Ways of rational thinking superseded religious cults but they couldn't replace the symbolic meanings cults were offering. People had to turn to prosthetic ideologies like capitalism or socialism or other -isms that gave them intellectual reciprocity. They borrowed images or metaphors from religion, like the relation of debt (in monetarian relationships) to guilt (in a religious sense, sparked by Adam's betrayal) or the adaptation of Christ's ethics of pitty and selflessness in socialism to creat a society, were everyone's doing more for his neighbour than for himselve. To cut a long story short, ideology stayed closely related to group building and all social-psychological phenomena of the group mind. This is, why we see people today trying to belittle those who struggle in work and finances, because they have internalized the principles of the capitalist society as a replacement for former ways of committing themselves to the community under the authority of god. The "job-hobber" then becomes to them, what a heretic for christians in the 16th century was. I consider this to be a defensive mechanism of our established world-views and social processes. They are the second reason of our today's society going haywire as they are reacting to the hyperinflation, which was supported by the ascent of conventional mass media (like the newspaper in the 18./19. century, the radio in the early and the tv in mid-20th century). Simultaneously it was getting common to be informed from all around the globe. Jobs were getting more theoretical and distant, like it was getting normal in many milieus to not work were you were growing up but moving to a city or even to another country. The rise of neoliberalism sums that development up perfectly: everyone's getting hyper-individualized, should be responsible for his success in adaption to that changed circumstances almost completely on his own and furthermore for his construction of sense. The Internet dramatically accelerated that development, to a degree were our minds now cannot differ between the direct causes of our externalization (aka what we have learned over thousands of years to be authentic) and subordinate reproductions and imitations. This on the other hand intensifies the efforts of those who stick to normativism and authority, to somehow reverse certain aspects of that processes. Nevertheless, they work on the premise of hyperinflation maybe more than any other group of people, as they are ideologically convinced of the rightness of neoliberalism and self-exploitation. Those problems are briefly, what we have to face and to understand in the relationship that is going on between them.

[@iveyhealth2266]

Facts 💯

[@Francois424]

Being 47 and working in IT since I was 16, I can relate as well. Especially the being laid off over and over and over and over again. I finally struck gold at 33yo, but it took me 17 YEARS to finally lad a stable IT job (it had a union, go figure!). I make 60k a year and housing prices have trippled in the last 14 years as well. I * still * cannot afford anything worthwhile. Oh do I wish I had had the same opportunities my parents had. I feel so poor/unachieving compared to them. Then again I didn't work at the same place for all my career like they did because of the above. It's even worse for Millenials and Z's tho, at least minimum wage allowed me to pay for rent, food, clothing and public transport back when I was starting up... These days? lolnope.

[@user-iw2bn3gz1n]

Im 31 and have totally given up. I dont even care anymore about what happens in my life. I have no interest in getting married or having kids. I just want a simple life away from everyone. My own little space and no worries and no responsibilities honestly until the day i check out of this horrible modern world

[@DaPonz]

Amen

[@mikespike2099]

Totally agree but only 100 years ago that was possible .. you would go to the “frontier” of some country and start a farm …. Struggle to grow and if lucky survive … but these days there is no frontier … all the land has been taken and much of it owned by corporations where farmers must meet quality and quantity quotas … it’s a true corporate dystopia

[@user-uo1xn7kv4r]

I could have written this myself. I feel for you, brother or sister.

[@shanel4294]

I’m 20 and I’m already at this stage, I love my partner and family but if I didn’t wake up tomorrow I’d breathe a sigh of relief. We’ve already decided no kids as well.

[@Singlesix6]

You need to grow up and face the world. Please get help.

[@Cheshire020]

Not all of us have. But it's so, so hard sometimes. The idea "Oh, leave it to Gen Z, they'll clean up after our mistakes." is so, so toxic to us. I just turned 20 three days ago, yet I've been feeling like a cynical old man for years. We can't do it on our own. Even if we could, it often feels like irreversible damage will be done before we even get a chance to try.

[@MatthiasDrinksH20]

Out of topic, but happy Birthday Stranger.

[@Cheshire020]

@@MatthiasDrinksH20 Thanks lol, it's been nice!

[@Nersius]

The past few decades have been watching those in power kicking the can down the road, saying there's still time, as they climb down yet another sheer drop so that they may continue kicking the can down the road.

[@CheapSkateGamer96]

I'm what's typically called a Zennial or "in-betweener" I was born at the end of 96 which technically makes me a millennial, but I have far more formative experiences in common with Gen Z than Millennials as I'm only 2 months older than the oldest members of Gen Z. Being in any "border region" in sociology will really show you how arbitrary the construct is. In general the young have always been expected to atone for the sins of the old, but millennials and especially Gen Z are in a unique position where those who have come before have had unprecedented power to make mistakes which alter all of human life (really all life on earth). And while millennials were burdened with the mistakes of global finance which have condemned the majority of us to lives of poverty, Gen Z has been burdened with the mistakes of ecology brought on by the senseless consumerism which millennials have used to bring some purpose to the life of slavery we were subjected to... I've done my very best to live minimalistically but my choice to try and fix my $5 coffee maker rather than just going to Dollar General to buy a new one seems trivial when my cousin and his wife blow $800 on merchandise every year in their annual trip to Disney World and their life of excess is nothing compared to most influencers. It's all so absurd, it's hard not to want to drop out of life completely.

[@TheChill001]

it's so funny to hear Gen Z'ers say this when both they and the boomers are the ones shitting o n MY generation; the millenials. We're supposed to fix everything but get no support from either side. Boomers are stuck in the past and Gen Z'ers just don't have the spine to even stand up and aid the generation that gets all the crap

[@Phosypha]

Speaking as a member of gen Z, it feels like I just watched an older sibling get beaten in the street. Witnessing people cheer it on and say how they had it coming for buying coffee everyday and eating avocado toast. It felt like there was nothing that I could do to help them, as I watched them get crippled beyond recovery. As they kept moving forward and slowly disappeared from my sight I knew that they would never be able to run, or even walk the same. Now I feel like I am being forced to walk down the street myself, dreading the day when the same happens to me.

[@The_True_Mx_Pink]

Then just walk down a different street. Throw a molotov cocktail into a republican's house, acab, be a marxist.

[@linked2dio26]

Carry a gun lol. Sorry Millennials like myself like to take the path of least resistance to attain our goals. If shooting someone in self defense and spending a night in jail means continuing our lifestyle. We will do it.

[@tl566]

Best thing we can do is walk it together. When our generation gets into office and steps into the responsibilities of society at large, I think things can change. That change probably won't be for us. But at least our kids and grandkids won't have to be hopeless like us. That's what gets me excited for the future.

[@vanessashaver8199]

❤

[@LordKlektar]

@@tl566 yeah, you guys will be way better 🙄

[@MDzmitry]

A Gen Z here, born in 2003 and currently just 20 y/o. I've personally given up already, to a certain degree. I don't want to turn the world around because I know there are people more fit, more dedicated or more talented for that. All I want is to be able to make the world a better place just for the people I care about: my family, my friends.

[@frankm.2850]

Sixteen years on you, and I'm feeling much the same. Things are designed so they can't be fixed. There's zero impetus for the people who can actually fix the problems to do anything about them.

[@Flow-Fi-]

That’s pretty how much I feel. I haven’t given up in the sense of “Everything is pointless” and shit but I have given up on trying to make some huge revolutionizing change. There’s 8 billion people on this planet, many are probably more fit than me, but that’s ok. They can do those things, they can pursue those things if they want. Change will still happen regardless of what I do, and I can try to help the people around me just as well. Besides, treating others with kindness is actually probably single-handedly the best way to make a huge change. People don’t forget kindness that easily. It can go a long way in improving someone’s day

[@MDzmitry]

@@Flow-Fi- Couldn't agree more with the point about kindness

[@despicableocelot8459]

I especially feel your point about people who are better qualified already existing. I feel that every day, especially as a junior who’s struggling in Mechanical Engineering. I’m constantly surrounded by people who seem smarter than I am, and am friends with overachievers. It helps to remember that besides all our differences, we’re all human and we’re all struggling, which is something I often forget.

[@jeltoninc.8542]

Despite these ideas of an attainable utopia, the true condition of existing is suffering. Period. When we become familiar with it, learn to embrace it, we overcome it. You can’t win a battle if you don’t know the enemy. Once you understand that you’re going to have to tangle with suffering every day of your life until you die, life becomes a little easier. You gotta be hard out here. That’s why animals are vicious. They know they’re one distraction away from gettin’ eaten.

[@lundsweden]

Gen Z didn't give up on society, society gave up on Gen Z (and every genration under 40).

[@SagittariusMom]

Um ur parents gave up? I spend every dollar on my kids and fvck all on myself. If I could I would buy a house for them. I donate to the poor and hungry. I try to be supportive. I don't know what more to do

[@lundsweden]

@@SagittariusMom Well that's great (but please don't forget to take care of yourself too). Maybe I'm just butter, because our parents never wanted us and resented us for existing.

[@SagittariusMom]

@lundsweden oh I know the feeling, my mom is very mean to me. It's depressing, but I battle through and never listen to what she tells me to do. I think parents like that are jealous of youth, and too lazy to take care of their kids. Very sad. The world does want u here, try to b positive and optimistic. Xo

[@lundsweden]

@@SagittariusMom Thanks, I agree with what you said!

[@gravemind6536]

@@SagittariusMom I got lucky I got a mum who like you was only concerned with being the best parent possible she never had the financial ability to give much to me other than an old banger of a 1st car and the 1st years insurance but she allowed me to stay at home and pay £250 a month which is half the cost of a mere room in student accomadation I too advantage of this for 7 years and earned enough money to buy my own place and avoid getting stuck in the rental trap. My Mum never cared about having the latest phone or car and was happy in the home she had and cared little about home improvement or keeping up with others on the school run. I am so grateful for it all though because all she has ever cared about really is me and my sister and because of that I've managed to live the life I wanted. Not everyone is that lucky though some parents can't wait to get rid of their child as they see them as a burden and waste of space in their house after they turn 18 and those people are plunged into the rental trap and have no hope of owning their own home and given a massive disadvantage.

[@cheeseperson5163]

Growing up, I was always told the same thing by my mom: stay in school, get a good job, work your hardest and live a happy life. And that seemed perfectly achievable. That was only in the early 2010’s. In just a couple short years, my whole world has changed drastically and it gives me this sort of shock, like how all my dreams were within my reach, and were taken overnight to somewhere completely unreachable. I’m still a young member of Gen Z and won’t have to worry about working to pay off payments for another 2-3 years, but as I continue to grow and that time gets closer, I’m filled with this anxiety and uncertainty about my future. A few years ago, if you’d have asked me about my future plans, I would have explained every detail, perfectly mapped out. Now, I’m just not sure. Like there’s a thick fog covering everything in front of me. Money is tight. Things are expensive. People are ignorant and completely deprived of common sense. It fills me with a sinking feeling to think about what will happen to me. What will I do? What will I be able to do? It’s just… unsettling. Unsure. Scary.

[@b4nkeater]

Same mate, I literally feel the same way u do

[@robertsteiner4696]

Dark times ahead of us, that is the only 100% sure fire thing everyone knows. It feels like we are in the front seat witnessing the collapse of modern Western civilisation like the Romans were in their final days, and there isn't a damn thing we can do to change it because the game is entirely rigged against you. If the game's rigged though, might as well start cheating is what I say. Being honest and good gets you nowhere and just gets you betrayed, so it's better to betray the world and help your own than bend the knee to their sick fucking game at this point.

[@aerickmon3350]

For me I was the same for almost everything up until being able to lie out every single detail of my future life, as I don’t nor do I really engage in that. And I feel as thought it has kind of made it easier to accept or understand the whole picture to me, I wonder if anyone has felt the same way that not thinking ahead has made the chance to think about the whole picture

[@cheeseperson5163]

@@aerickmon3350 yeah, I agree. As time has gone on, I’ve learned to focus on the present a lot more. It definitely eases the pressure.

[@Pegarexucorn]

Never really had any future goals even when I was younger. I did want to be a KZbinr for a bit. In just a few months my whole world changed drastically. I had a huge change in my life and my perspective of the world changed shortly after. I've always been a cynical person and had misanthropic feelings since I was an early teen. But these feelings have grown exponentially over the last year. I trust no one. I distrust everything people do. Not completely because I'm aware of my delusional state but enough to be wary. I'm slowly becoming apathetic. Everyone seems so stupid. I don't know if maybe I am a narcissist or arrogant but holy cow people are stupid. So stupid. I'm stupid but these people are even more stupid. I'm told I'm smart. Always have been told that. I've never felt that way. But now I can't tell if I am really that smart or if everyone is just stupid in comparison. I'm told how smart I am yet people never listen to me. It's funny how that works. They'll compliment my intelligence and deprecate their own but those same people never listen to me. Even if it's something I know is correct. I'm always right. Maybe that sounds narcissistic to an outsider, but it's accurate. I'm very rarely wrong about something. Partially because IRL I will refrain from speaking surely about things I'm not confident about. I seem to be able to predict people's actions pretty well as well. It's made even trolling dull. Everyone is so predictable. So boring. So stupid. I care about nothing. I hate this species. I hate all life. And don't misconstrue my hatred for a lack of compassion. I just can't change my perspective I'm too dissociated. My mental state worsens every week, probably because of my abuse of marijuana. It's on purpose though so don't worry. I've purposefully taken on debt and have screwed myself over in a few other ways just to fuck myself in the long run. I want to face absolute despair. I don't want to get better. I don't think I can and even if I could, I wouldn't want to. There are just some things I don't see myself ever unthinking. It would be like getting a hardcore atheist to believe in a creationist diety. That would be changing their fundamental beliefs about how reality works. So I don't ever see myself losing my cynicism, misanthropy, and nihilism. As you might be able to tell, my thoughts are scattered and I have a hard time staying on one line of thought. A symptom of isolation and probably whatever else is going on in my head. Marijuana makes everything so much worse but better, too. It makes my thoughts even more jumbled. And overlapping, uncontrollable thoughts as well. It's most likely a result of my HPPD which marijuana exponentiates. I haven't seen pitch black in over 2 years and probably won't ever again. I have horrible tinnitus. I am both mentally and physically ill. I hope whatever physical illnesses I have are fatal. I refuse to get treatment. I mean -- hell -- I don't even know exactly what it is. I can't even escape into coomerism because of one of my ailments. All I have is marijuana and once I start working here soon, some harder stuff if I can find a reliable source to buy from online. I really hope I can find ketamine. It's pretty good. I've said a lot of what I think and believe. But one thing I am absolutely certain of is that I know nothing. At the end of the day my thoughts are meaningless because I know nothing. I can confirm nothing. I am uncertain of everything. That all I'm certain of. Schizo rant over.

[@And-lj5gb]

I'm a milennial and I gave up too. Not because of housing costs, retirement prospects or possible climate catastrophe. It's because the society doesn't offer any contract to people of my demographics that seems worth taking. The expectations it puts on you are abolutely insane while the rewards are very sketchy or uncertain and our current societal model is so different from the one our brains have evolved for that meeting my emotional needs seems practically impossible within any reasonable means. I also have a personal experience that trying harder and putting in a lot of more work didn't even improve my life by 1% so why would I try anymore. Maybe I was putting in a wrong kind of work but that's part of the problem too, our world has got way too complicated for what our brains are supposed to handle. When I try not to give up, I get so overwhelmed, that I have to give up at some point anyway just not to go completely insane. I also have personal experience of being made to feel neglected, unworthy, unwanted and not valuable at various stages of my life. How is my innate response going to be anything else then "well, f**k off, then". I don't want to be part of society, it feels so awful and painful. Even wasting myself alone in misery seems much more bearable.

[@Afreshio]

Same, millennial here. Its funny that people dub Zoomers as the doomer generation and that may be true but I think its oversimplified. In my generation a good chunk of us are doomers because we started early in the Internets and if you were a curious and inquisitive fellow like myself, you eventually would end seeing shit that nobody should see, at least that early in life and that frequent. Damage to the brain and the psyche is real, take care of it. Also addiction to porn is a real, troublesome problem that is barely acknowledge even today. I think this is the reason I relate to zoomer humour and memes... because I was already part of communities that generated this kind of doomer nihilistic anti-comedy. The reason doomer millennials gets ignored in favour of zoomers its simply because we are not that much into putting ourselves into social networks like tiktok or ig. We are silent and alone. We are perpetually lurking. And yeah society shitted on us really hard. Look at the headlines on the news of 6-10 years ago to see what the boomers were saying about us. I'ts hilarious that even zoomers think we are lame or whatever. But I think it's the unavoidable cycle of the new teenagers-early 20s (the youth, basically) feeling themselves COOL and WIRED in the popular culture cosmos. Which is beautiful but per definition something that fades eventually when you hit late 20s-early 30s and you can't bee "cool" anymore. The truth is, only young people have the right to do stupid cringe shit and have a pass. That's why trying new fashions trends, hairstyles, idioms and customs it's expected of the young'uns but after a certain fuzzy age it's just fucking cringe and lame. Enjoy your time, zoomers. Soon it will end and the Alphas (fucking stupid name btw) will rise and take your lunch, as is the circle of life. EDIT: BTW it's fucking nuts that the zoomers are dubbed as the woke generation when Millennials kickstarted this shit, invented new movements and trailblazed throughtout the whole boomer propagantisdic apparatus. MeeToo, BLM, LGBTQplus, etc awareness was started and put forward by my generation. Zoomers were kids playing nintendo DS and Wii when we were chanting politcal messages, protesting and inititating online campaings against corporations. Zoomers only joined those movements long after they were started! The only valid zoomer movement right now its the anti school shooting thing.

[@dennisrobinson8008]

Try using positive words. At least you know you shouldn't put your job over YOU. Do the job and go home.

[@nikolaykopernik9124]

+ part you left out is that after going through all of the above and having given up - all that is left for you is coping by using drugs, social media, jerking off and fast food. I feel you on this one

[@rf-uj5sc]

what is your demographic?

[@Parasiteve]

same, fugging same.

[@JohnRobenault]

I just wish people in the older generations would just admit how tough we have it compared to them. As soon as you start explaining it to them, its always "Oh I only made $5 an hour in my first job" or "I started working at 15 years old" as if its somehow equivalent or more difficult than working until you die and living in an apartment your whole life

[@sissysovereign1294]

It's terrible how they're so in denial about how bad it's gotten since their days as young adults. It just gives me the impression that since they had their chance to fully live-not just survive- truly LIVED their lives and got to enjoy the fruits of their labor, they could care less about the generations that come after them. They could care less about the struggles we face now since they didn't have to deal with it, and never will since they passed that phase of their lives and get to have their asses wiped and diapers changed by the very same younger people that will never get to experience that kind of self fulfillment and joy that they did. All the while these same older people will seemingly bitch about millennials and anyone younger than them just for breathing or wanting more out of the system other than being a mindless drone working in vain until we die. For wanting to be human. It's disheartening

[@jakewinslow4121]

I’m gen X and I admit gen Z has it harder in general.

[@princessmarlena1359]

It’s easy to overlook the good fortune in your own life, while judging others for the misfortunes in their lives.

[@EnclaveEmily]

If anyone ever pulls the "I only made X an hour" thing, just ask them how much that is in today's money, and the average price of stuff back in the day.

[@kyleconnor2759]

Why? What would that change in your life? You already know the truth of the matter, so it shouldn’t matter if they admit it or not. Focus on your own stuff.

[@Izlude7189]

35 y/o Millennial here. Give up. Embrace mediocrity and your own brand of bs. To hell with haters that keep telling you how to live your life and how to feel (they're just trying to get you to buy books and buy into their brand). Find your joy, what makes YOU happy, start asking yourself the hard questions and then even harder what's next is to start pursuing your joy. If that's living in a camper out in a park, do it. If that's an apartment in NYC for $5000/month, do it. But no matter what, don't force yourself into someone else's lifestyle. They try to use that cookie cutter on all of us while growing up with VERY outdated mindsets and worldviews. All the smart people fit into the cookie cutter just enough to make it through baking, then settled into their own shape. Happy doesn't mean successful (according to others). Sometimes happiness is living your own damn life and giving the world your middle finger.

[@MarlKitsune]

It just gets frustrating when society despises every value you hold and the few that claim to share them are doing the most to destroy any trace of them.

[@easternrebel1061]

This.

[@Lovingoton]

I don’t get it explain

[@astraleopard6946]

ok wait wdym by this? Are you upset that people that were previously doomers/nihilists are trying to help others out of absolute negativity, or..?

[@BarioIDL]

@@astraleopard6946 he's talking about gamers

[@The_Super_NOVA]

VERY well said!

[@TheMadLeprechaun]

Speaking as a Millennial, I noticed that things in life like getting a job was not as easy as my parents (who are boomers) had made it seem.

[@imagominus]

Exactly! My mother keeps telling me, that, back in her day, most people who turned 18 got kicked out of their former home and had to find their own along with a paying job. Yeah, try doing that in a time, at which every mistake and misunderstanding and lacking skill is held against you, along with unaffordable homes, all in a sick game that has literally been rigged from the start!

[@hydrosynthetik]

Sometimes I think some of them have forgotten the fact that a lot of jobs back in the day didn't require boatloads of schooling like they do today

[@ILaunchNukes]

​@@imagominus Well, Russia is about to start WW3. We will be free when the missiles start flying.

[@Laurtew]

Speaking as a Gen X, it really isn't as easy as it was back in the day. I also think we've been sold a bad bag of goods. That dream they sell us on; you go to college, you get a nice job, buy a house, you retire with a nice pension. I think it was a sales pitch. Who makes money off that? Colleges and big corporations that devalue you and use your labour for their benefit. We need to reevaluate the dream. It was terrifying, but my husband and I moved to literally the middle of nowhere and bought a farm no one wanted, so we paid practically nothing for it. It's a learning curve, but we are learning to grow our own food and we sell it at farmers' markets. (We do a lot of trading there too. I trade baked goods for goat cheese and meat. It's a pretty sustainable way to live.) The house, the car, the perfect job, it's all window dressing. The people around you, the connections you make, the lives you touch, that is what makes a life worth living. I don't have a huge house (in fact, we are working on fixing this house up) or a nice car. But, I have a family that I love and every day I take my dog and walk in my woods. I learn and practise new planting techniques. I feed our chickens and watch the deer in our meadow. I talk to amazing people at our farmers' market and I make new friends. I'm part of my community and we all support each other. I was a teen in the 80s, I grew up with that rich day trader mentality. My husband has student loans on a degree he isn't using. But this life I've found, it's simpler, it's better. Maybe we need to rethink what the end goal should be.

[@Ugh-Fudge_Bwana]

Well the boomers got theirs and then pulled up the ladder behind them.

[@IsoraBEinfinity]

When people feel that humanity is doomed, they're really saying they think our mental health will be doomed in the future and then as a collective our society. We're losing focus in life, no one is allowed to slow down and take their time anymore to learn, to enjoy life, its only something privileged people get. The rest of us have to keep working, working, working, catching up, learning to stay ahead and we feel guilty when we are told to take a break because in a way, we know we can't. Thats why people say humanity is doomed.

[@Emidretrauqe]

The saddest thing is we have more wealth than any other country in history and should have every right to work less and pursue those things. The industrial revolution was our wake up call. Mass automation should be making our lives easier, but the capitalist system just sends those gains straight to the top and tells us to work even harder for less and less.

[@guidedexplosiveprojectileg9943]

​@@Emidretrauqe fr proletriat revolution

[@deltaxcd]

@@Emidretrauqe I think you don't understand term wealth as that mens assets not money Yes select few have absurd about of wealth but the rest have next to nothing even serfs had some wooden shacks and modern people don't even have that.

[@danielleeming3674]

Seems like 1970s time to me was the time of like allowance for being slow or being inquisitive or trying to create stakes in life

[@isaachester8475]

@@deltaxcd are you seriously going to tell me we’re worse off than medieval serfs as we sit on our asses arguing in the comments section with our phones and our internet 🙄

[@valinsyrcen1673]

In my experience, when someone asks what's the point, what they mean (and don't know they mean) is "I'm so tired." It's a deep and ingrained weariness.

[@franz.francisco]

Thanks for putting it into words, you're exactly right

[@hel2727]

to be honest, it's easier to say it like that than to admit that you're tired of everything

[@xAudiolith]

Having to stay so hypervigilant with societal norms, changing markets, culture and so many other things among just trying to live a fulfilling and meaningful life with maybe even kids at some point just drains me man. It might sound a bit dramatic but it feels that our generations are so bombarded by information I often feel like a soldier who came back from the war and now can not relax in a normal environment anymore. There's so much to pay attention to and so much uncertainty about literally everything today. I would love to actually have that feeling of freedom and hope back and just take a deep breath. Shit, I'm calling in sick tomorrow to go out in nature and just relax. We've been handed such a silly set of cards to play.

[@Digggyyyyy]

I'm just about a millenial but definitely feel that the doomer phenomenon is far more a symptom of changes in the world and culture than just the attitude of a generation. People I know of all generations from my boomer parents to gen x colleagues, millenial friends and gen z friends all feel this kind of stuck, powerless, hopeless feeling. The necessities of life are getting more and more unsustainably expensive and salaries arent keeping up, so we're all painfully aware of how much worse things have gotten in the last decade or so. Owning a house is a pipe dream for most of us now when it used to be treated as a rite of passage almost.

[@ILaunchNukes]

Some days I wake up and pray for an apocalypse. Thank God Putin can help with that....

[@EdyAlbertoMSGT3]

@@ILaunchNukes While i doubt WW3 will happen, the end of humanity seems like the best thing it could happen.

[@mrsmiley707]

that'd suck tho because the world is a beautiful place and i didn't get to travel yet but oh well

[@jakhow6641]

@@ILaunchNukes Thank the United States for being able to thank Putin for that

[@tarvitsenapua]

Jesus loves us all

[@stevenobrien7686]

We’re living in a corporate dystopia, Gen Z is just reacting accordingly.

[@WitchKing-Of-Angmar]

Reacting by shifting their issue to random events in the quest to be apart of every and all rebellions that go against societal norms. After all, they are getting a taste of protest life, and thinking they are leading a charge and it makes them feel like they have hope. But in reality, because they're so young and inexperienced, they are treating it just like a 5 year old who can't get what they want and is having a tantrum until they get what they want. Waiting accordingly for someone to fix their despairensies.

[@Commodore22345]

"Gen Z is just reacting accordingly." Yes...by giving up and doing nothing to change the system, thus ensuring the corporate dystopia will continue unchallenged.

[@stevenobrien7686]

@@Commodore22345 Homie, it's up to the generation in their prime to do that shit, AKA millenials. Also idk about you but most zoomers I know are very conservative/antiwoke. Zoomers think all the degeneracy previous generations have handed to them is cringe as shit. Their weakness is of course social media and videogames, but they're hardly in a position to accept blame for where the culture currently is.

[@Commodore22345]

@@stevenobrien7686 Yep, just keep shifting the blame onto others and hope someone else will fix things for you. It's not the job of any other generation to take care of you, it's up to you to take care of yourselves. So all this "doomer" crap of "oh I'm just going to give up because the system is rigged" is going to harm you a lot more than anything else. Giving up is never the answer and anyone who does give up deserves the terrible life that awaits them.

[@stevenobrien7686]

@@Commodore22345 This is exactly why the older generation is cringe when they talk about zoomers. I'm a millennial, it's my generations responsibility right now primarily. But no generation in human history has been subject to the amount of ruthless destruction of societal, and relational norms like zoomers have. The generations before them are filled with a bunch of out of touch "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" losers. The economy is fucked, male to female relations are FUCKED, community and family structure is F U C K E D, and corporate funded conditioning and brainwashing is relentless and near inescapable. On top of this we as older generations have very little wisdom to offer because we ourselves have been becoming weaker, more morally lost, more emotionally and relationally unstable, and principally divided every decade. Life has always been sink or swim, but our generations have been far more likely to have someone there to teach you. Now you sit there with your arms folded looking at a generation who has been hogtied and thrown in a burlap sack before getting kicked into the same river going "life's hard for everyone, why are you giving up so easy? What's wrong with the younger generation?" Get a grip bro. They're guideless, community-less, often parentless, and surrounded on all sides with propaganda eager to sweep them into a deep rabbit hole that'll take a lifetime to climb out of. Earlier generations had so much more healthy structures in place culturally and societally. I'm only 30 but I remember them. If you can't see they face unique challenges that we didn't you're completely out of touch.

[@Tivis7]

As a "Gen Z" individual, I feel quite close to giving up. However, I feel as though one of the only things still keeping me up is my anger. I'm in college and am learning a lot about the world, despite having been an extremely ignorant engineer just a few years prior. The more I learn about how I will be exploited for my abilities, just like countless others, are now fills me with animosity for the parasitic upper class of my society. As powerless as we may feel, we need to band together if we are to change our future. That's pretty much the only thing that's keeping me going.

[@friedlemon5172]

Yeah, I'm also a gen Z in college and I rely on anger so that I don't succumb to apathy/despair. Tbh, I think more people should get in touch with their anger.

[@jasonjohnson6938]

Yep. We're being farmed

[@jcrawford5674]

Hey, I love they way you are transmuting this energy into passion. May you continue to use your passion to figure out how to be positively impactful.

[@jcrawford5674]

@@jasonjohnson6938 been saying this for awhile

[@azert52b39]

The goverment aren't scared when it's adults who are revolting against the goverment . But when it's the youngsters it's like they having a nightmare.

[@Bob20011492]

I'm 75, a Boomer born and bred. I can completely understand the sentiment examined here. Wealth inequality is an obscene example of what causes a feeling of hopelessness and betrayal. The rampant stupidity that so many politicians exhibit adds more to those feelings. And these same politicians are also prone to display an absolute lack of courage to stand up for certain principles and values. This too adds weight to the betrayal of the social contract. How do we combat all this? What this creator is saying is one way to begin to fight the power.

[@josem588]

Even with that I think all of you lived through the best financial times EVER even better than the 1920s

[@Vecchio_Rhosod85]

IMO: It kind of sounds like the "doomer" mindset was born from a generation of people dealing with the realization that they've been lied to. Lied to about their importance, their talents, etc. Edit: I'm a millennial. Forgot to mention that.

[@o.l.ashman9696]

Yeah, the boomers really fucked us younger generations over

[@amethystimagination3332]

I’d say it’s part that, part being overwhelmed with almost exclusively negative news all 24/7 thanks to the internet. Gen Z and some Millennials grew up online, where every major world event and petty drama is pumped in their brain and treated with equal importance all the time. Even back when people’s lives were objectively worse on average, the stress of the outside world was mostly limited to the six o’clock news and the morning paper, you could take a break and carry on with your day. Now you can’t just turn off the tv, put the paper down or ignore gossip, because you carry it in your pocket at all times.

[@siriuspope3552]

​@@amethystimagination3332 could also be the active shooter drills for kindergarteners

[@bobthegamingtaco6073]

Yup, Gen Z here, and I can tell you that everyone I speak with is frustrated to hell and back with the lies, and the lack of action in general. Shooting? Nothing changes. World slowly burning? Nothing changes. I think the vast majority of us could live with bad news if it was like "climate change is real, ExxonMobil facing bankruptcy" or "3 school shootings this week, automatic weapons are now banned" like seriously. It doesn't have to be instantly fixed, but for the love of anything good left in this world, we want SOMETHING to happen, something to change. It's not the bad news that driving us insane, it's the SAME bad news happening every week, every year, and reading the same press releases from every single person who could fix problems. It's always "we are committed to planning how to fix something somewhere at some time until you all forget about this, then we are committed to squeezing more money out of you all."

[@theblackvoid]

@@amethystimagination3332 It's the realization and outpouring of the world's collective negativity online, and on the news, and amplified by increasing technological progress, not to mention the increasing natural and man-made disasters, the echo chambers, the growing self-awareness of humanity regarding their rights, independence and freedom, and the alternate perceived realities narratives that societies have constructed both within (far-left reality vs left-wing reality vs right-wing reality vs alt-right reality) and outside (international tension and different worldviews). And then there's the normalization of negativity because of how click-baity negative news is. On top of that, there's growing polarization in the world - domestically and internationally - as well as people being disillusioned by corruption in politics, by harsh economics, by cruel society by the seemingly continuous set of amoral and emotionless events both recent (wildfires, disasters, shootings, protests, insurrections, wars, dictatorships, pandemics) and the massive pile of mistakes made in the past few centuries and left as a planetary-level mess to clean up (many of the tragedies we've experienced can be directly or indirectly attributed to the Cold War, World Wars, colonisation and their aftereffects, if not linked to corporate or aristocratic greed). Humanity is wired to remember negative circumstances much more strongly than positive events, as a survival instinct to prepare for danger. It might have been useful in the past, but it's detrimental now. If it weren't for the web, humanity wouldn't be here today, for better or for worse, but there's no going back now.

[@Dave_Lakin]

It’s not just Gen Z. I am 39, single, live alone and just walked away from a good paying job because I found myself totally miserable and throwing up in the morning from anxiety while getting ready for work. I have no idea what I am going to do for my future or how I am going to be able to keep my head above water for the next 40 years or so.

[@Kryxx07]

I feel that in my soul.

[@noo343]

I'm turning 32 I just want my parents to die before I do so they're not as sad I know my little sister Will survive me and be sad but this place sucks this plain of existence blows

[@ailblentyn]

The pseudo-sociological talk of “generations” muddles the issue, and pits people against each other who should all be able to agree that the economy and the planet are a mess.

[@Jermeister]

​@@ailblentynAgreed!!

[@maxwellhesher1790]

There’s a scene from a game called We Happy Few, it sees the main character, Arthur, on a bride with a constable standing next to him. Arthur, murdered his brother essentially, and the bride scene has him coming to terms with that. His old life, gone, without a trace in the mortal world. He asks for mercy, the constable hearing this asks if Arthur CAN be granted this mercy. Arthur replies, “no,” The constable then grabs his arm and lets off an amazing quote, “life goes on, that IS the mercy.” Give yourself that mercy, who cares if you’re not exactly in the shape of what everyone else around you wants. It’s your life, just be merciful.

[@Justmonika6969]

This isn't just Gen Z. I'm a millenial and felt all of this.

[@davidarundel9739]

Same!

[@Across_]

we all did and do, to this day my friend... :)

[@BronzeDragon133]

Gen X, ditto. Honestly, every generation seems to think this is unique and special but...news flash, it's not. Education costs have always risen far faster than income, housing costs have been ridiculous since the 1960's, and the game's been rigged against you since day 1. That having been said, complete doomerism isn't particularly realistic either. The world will go on--probably, barring some vast disaster. The last major reset from the above was the Black Death, and that wasn't really a great time, either. Enjoy what you have. Find a niche and grow in it--and don't expect everything all at once. Life doesn't work that way.

[@joeeeyyyyyy]

the primary difference here being, millenials had less unfiltered access to information on the internet BEFORE their 20s Gen z is wary of everyone & everything, due to our hyper awareness of individuals/situations/ideology that has no real effect in our lives

[@epicboss6767]

so true anime girl

[@personalaccount4971]

Why is Gen Z so sad (coming from a Gen Zer)? 1. Society shut down during a key period of our development. A lot of us needed in person support and fell into a pit of depression without it. Many members of Gen Z dropped out of college or began a habit of withdrawing from people irl. Covid drastically altered the course of our lives -- for the worse. 2. The internet. I could write a whole essay on this, but there are corporations profiting off of our misery and internet addiction. We're withdrawing from everyday life. Personally, my social media feed makes me feel like a failure because I spend longer looking at what posts from ppl who make me feel inadequate & the algorithm picks up on that. Also, the internet can taint your views on irl interactions. For example, we have a lot of normal to attractive guys who believe they can't get a date because of their looks. We also have a lot of girls who believe now more than ever in history that their sole value is their looks. Cynicism about politics, success, society proliferate because negativity gets more attention than positivity on the internet. Gen Z is affected by the internet most because we were the guinea pig i generation. 3. Downward mobility compared to our parents. The internet amplifies the toxic parts of ourselves. It is UNETHICAL for companies to be profiting off of our mental struggles. Take Meta down.

[@Unknown-fr9oo]

I totally agree. I’m afraid it’s only gonna get worse. Don’t get me started on dating apps

[@sonicroachdoggjrraven3263]

This is so true.

[@RomanDiaries]

Corporations will never stop doing things that make them money. We need a major cultural shift where things like social media, video game, and porn addictions are actually stigmatized, not tolerated. Make today's unhealthy habits as taboo as smoking is now. This will probably be too tough for a gen-z raised to think you shouldn't criticize anyone who isn't physically harming people, but maybe gen alpha will pick up the slack when they grow up.

[@BalboaBaggins]

Covid didnt to that. Governments did.

[@booklover2049]

@@RomanDiaries as a disabled person, video games saved my life. addictions are coping escapism out of control. the things you mentioned are less bad than drugs if sme gonna get addicted and being addicted already carries stigma. i think we need structured manner of good quality community, general support for ppl (so there is less reason to need to cope) and decent mh support(to support ppl towards better coping and good quality human interaction and fighting off the darkness.). social media def depression trap. but also can be used as a tool for good quality non intermittent convo contact starting.or keeping in touch. companies always have some unethical ones- is destroying the answer? a poison to the depressed can ave its benefits to othrs. For now there are extensions that can redirect away from those sites. I might support sth like regs vs social media so the most popular doesnt inflate the most negative or extreme content or assumes the user likes negative stuff the first time sth negative is consumed

[@billcrotts5456]

I'm 42 and I'm actually encouraged by the younger generation. They can see bullshit much more clearly than most people my age and older which is the first step toward doing something about it

[@moldilocks2904]

That's a sweet thing to say.

[@friedfrawg]

Feminism erased mens roles in society. In this feminist society the only way for men to receive praise and acceptance is to literally become women. Which is why all boys want to be girls. This is doom for feminists. Transwomen are actually applying effort to be women. They actually focus on being more feminine. Real women don't try as hard, they just wear less clothing. The younger generation are erasing women and women are encouraging it.😢

[@DefenDefault4]

Hehe me too.

[@ghostfieId]

Thank you. It’s nice to hear words of encouragement and optimism from someone older in a world that looks down upon the newer generations.

[@frankgriffin6293]

Too little too late. The younger gen is of a smaller size and they will not have much pull for another 20 years. By then everyone will be forced to live the corrupt leftist life style.

[@williansnobre]

One thing I have noticed is that a lot of people, specially younger people nowadays, are very passionate about issues that they can't solve and the feeling of impotence affects them negatively. And both the media and the previous generations keep reinforcing those ideas of fighting a losing batlle, instead of encouraging them to focus on themselves first.

[@crash4904]

Agree! We don't need focus into Andrew Tate and men Vs women and all stuff

[@cowboy_mcboots]

It's a lot like the advice on airplanes to put your own oxygen mask on first, you will be entirely no help to others if you're passed out cold and hypoxic. Even if you can fight whatever issue it is, you can make a much better difference if you're at your full strength and not sapping yourself of every last drop of energy for it

[@bigack2494]

Before the pandemic, my father would always come home tired and angry. Things have gotten a little better for him since moving to largely online work. Regardless, he still despises the two hours there and back he has to drive, the company lays a bunch of stuff on him, and he’s admitted to me that he’s just counting the days until retirement at this point. Growing up I was told all the time that I should appreciate the fact that I’m still young and “living in a bubble.” That once I go out into the big wide world, the fun is over. Or something like that. Meanwhile, I got let go from a UPS store (franchise technically) recently. They said that while I was a good employee, they were concerned about my ability to handle the stress. And that’s the thing. Top 10 in the entire country when it comes to performance. Average of 4.9 stars on google maps with at most half a dozen reviews under 5 stars. Smallest store in the county. Busiest in the state. Processing around 2000 Amazon returns PER DAY. As part-time, I worked 23 hours weekly. At $18 per hour. Closing shift from 10:45 to 7:00. Frankly, I was stubborn. I pushed myself way too hard because I didn’t want to feel like the weakest link. Like a disappointment. My coworkers (managers included) were genuinely good and supportive people, the ones who make such grueling work even remotely tolerable, and I didn’t want to let them down. Even when it was slowly killing me. Whether employee or customer, leader or follower, we all were (and continue to be) subject to policies that even the owners struggle to understand. And of course people would come complaining about them. Getting upset at US for something completely beyond our control. When difficult customers ask difficult questions to someone who has little to no formal training or the experience to answer, the cracks begin to show. “It’s UPS policy.” Doesn’t sound right. Feels like another excuse. Technology nearly a decade old. Damaged scanners that struggle to see past the glare of the sun itself. Electronic scales literally falling apart. Computers with outdated software crashing at least once per day. A database incapable of communicating customer info between stores. The bathroom doubles as both break room and storage. Officially we can’t change the store layout without express permission from corporate, even when doing so would objectively make things better for everyone involved. And now I’m finding out that the company drivers, the backbone of the whole damn logistical structure, are keeling over from heatstroke. I’m just… tired. Tired of constantly bearing witness to the pointless suffering, knowing damn well how incredibly powerless I am to stop it. Do I even control myself at this point? Simply put… There’s a hole in the raft. Instead of simply patching the hole, here we are pathetically bickering amongst ourselves, pointing fingers and laying blame as if identifying who made the hole would even solve the problem. Never has. Never will. We’re sinking. And no one seems to care. Not like anyone listens. To a stupid kid like me.

[@goldminer754]

Because focusing on ourselves will solve climate change, will solve housing and healthcare becoming more expensive and unattainable day by day. These problems that society can't seem to solve are not problems that will go away on its own or by the actions people have already done. No matter how well you do personally this economic and political system will fuck us all.

[@williansnobre]

@@goldminer754 That's why self-reliance and urban exodus are a thing, people want to get away from the big cities which are the places that most contribute to the problems. Don't worry about problems beyond your reach, but if you want to make a difference in a positive way, buy land, sequester carbon by allowing natice vegetation to grow.

[@yummyslimschowder693]

I think the scariest thing about all of this is if someone were to give us a realistic way out of this, most people would all jump on it without too much though, because how desperate the situation is. It would be an easy way to gain control of a large group of people.

[@drewm9903]

Well we already live in the reality that a few elites control large groups of people. We can't get much worse than where we are unless we are talking about Nazism the likes we seen in Germany, and given current circumstances that might be inevitable something like that arises. I don't see how it's scary to want a way out of this. It's scarier to see everyone lie flat and give up.

[@alreadyblack3341]

Just one disgraced austrian painter and war vet is all it takes

[@edited1325]

@@alreadyblack3341I’m ready for it too it’ll be fun

[@drewm9903]

@@alreadyblack3341 Not true, that austrian painter got a lot of help along the way.

[@alreadyblack3341]

@@drewm9903 I meant less in a single strongman sort of way and more of like a butterfly effect kind of way.

[@The_Slayterino]

I was born in 96'. I can tell you that life feels shit. Like someone flipped a switch and all thats left is uncertainty, doom & gloom. Everything is expensive, bills are through the roof and society in general just feels off and i cant put my finger on it.

[@xXPinkDummyXx]

i miss 2019

[@paskaalisaapaskaa5354]

I feel you man. I was born in 96 too and i can tell that the last time i was truly optimistic and positive was back in 2019 before you know what happened and fucked everything up for me. I was about to graduate and get me my degree (which i got) and i was expecting this decade to be a beginning of something new and refreshing. Couldnt get a job because of the lockdowns etc, and now it feels like the whole degree i studied for was a waste of time and money because no ones interested to hire me, other applicants beat me with experience, and ive done menial soul crushing jobs to stay afloat.

[@airmax5614]

I wish to go back to the late 00s/early10s. Fuck this shit! Smh

[@Gizziiusa]

"society in general just feels off and i cant put my finger on it." -you emergence of the beast system. aka new normal, aka great reset, ag-end-a 2030. own nothing and be happy. net zero -carbon credit, social credit, cashless society

[@SarukiLIAS]

I know , everyone is constantly trying to be better than you , and if you aren’t , you’re a loser and will get treated like so , that’s the problem, expectations are too high or too low, no one wants to be you , and you don’t want to be anybody , best advice is ,just let the world fall into pieces

[@dustind4694]

As a Millenial, with Boomer parents, Gen Z kids and a Gen X wife... You guys are stronger than you know.

[@Countcho]

Gen z’ers are weak as heck

[@prodigalson888]

My man got himself a cougar.

[@mouthpiece200]

Learn your alphabet sir. A millenial like us should go for Gen Z wife not Gex X wife.

[@zippinghen]

@@prodigalson888 It could be only like a year difference

[@prodigalson888]

@@zippinghen 😱😱😱😱 you are so correct!!!! It surely could be! OMG 😱 you pointed out something so amazing 🙏 Thank You, GOOD BUDDY.

[@Jackdaniel00]

Society isn’t about owning it’s about paying to use it like eventually breathing will be a luxury

[@rickydo6572]

Yes, you don't really have rights Eating isn't a right, having a roof over your head isn't a right, education isn't a right...they're all privileges afforded to those who can pay. And it's getting harder and harder to afford these "rights"

[@tbj4855]

We already pay taxes just to breathe lol

[@mangjitnijjhar1390]

Mark my words, someday Nestlé will buy the atmosphere from the federal government and charge us for bottled air and make it a crime to breathe normally and Boomers or the equivalent at that time will be moaning about how kids these days are thieves and Communists for wanting to breathe for free because Nestlé bought the air fair and square and they have a right to profit from it.

[@silent-hills]

@@rickydo6572 which always seemed so outlandish to me. water is a privilege - *water* of all things. this is an insane world we’re living in.

[@randomstuff-qu7sh]

@@rickydo6572 True. Those aren't considered rights; they're considered needs, and we're expected to work in order to meet those needs. That would be fair enough if working actually allowed us to meet those needs. However, prices have gone up way faster than wages. And therein lies the problem. When working no longer allows you to afford to live, what other choices do you have?

[@janky477]

I'm a millenial, but I too, was a Doomer in my 20s. They make it so insanely impossible for you to pursue things that Boomers were able to do in your 20s, how have they still not addressed the new workforce needing better compensation? Now close to 30, I am finally able to pursue all those fun things in life I was told would come after College, but I got a LOT of Handouts, easy paths, and some straight up luck for my career, and I had to emotionally REJECT EVERYTHING I was told was good for me as soon as I started making my own money. So I can't say "Pull up your bootstraps and put in the hard work" because I got lucky. Hard work isn't rewarded. Exploitation is.

[@iveyhealth2266]

It's good you can see it and admit it. 💯

[@WastePlace]

I feel the same way, about the last part of your comment specifically. I’m not in the same situation as you so I’m not as experienced, but I feel like the only way you get anywhere nowadays is through connections; real or artificial. Whether it’s moral or ethical is besides the point, because it seems that if you don’t take full advantage of your environment and circumstances(other people fall under this category especially) you’re deliberately hindering your own potential and reducing your likelihood of success/longevity in the world. It’s sad, because I feel altruism and humility are extremely powerful and admirable virtues, but those traits alone will play to your deficit in the long run if you don’t also opportunistically act selfishly or in your own tribes best interest. It’s just a very difficult social landscape to navigate, working my first job helped me learn how to act around my coworkers and gave me a better understanding of workplace dynamics but I’m still learning things everyday. It does get better with time though

[@Charon-5582]

You really have to metagame to win at life...

[@redfox4561]

Well it's good to see some people that lucked out in life are still self aware, because I can confirm this is not the case for most people...I'm in my early 30s and I've pretty much fully given up at this point and have accepted that if I'm ever forced out of my family home I'll just self delete because there's no way I'll be able to afford even the shittiest ghetto small apartment in my city when rent for that is still like 4k a month.

[@Charon-5582]

@@redfox4561 or move to a city where it isn't 4 grand a month...

[@Mrdisdain]

The older generations have become so degenerate and disconnected from the generations of their children that they can not see how bad things have gotten.

[@josem588]

Now I understand why they are so happy they talk about his youth.

[@toddjohnson271]

They don't care about the future of their offspring......completely sociopathic.

[@henrybarnes2678]

I think they struggle to understand our plight. But try not to hate on any other group aside from "them", you know, those that we don't know the names of that pull all the strings. They are the ONLY group worth hating on, no others (well, obviously aside from the racists, homophobes, paedophiles, etc.).

[@Singlesix6]

@@toddjohnson271 Oh nonsense. If anything we are fed up with their defeatist attitude and always blaming others. Life is hard, work is work and work is tiring. I don't know who promised you a life of ease, but it wasn't anyone I know. If your parents did, they did you a disservice. In the real world even the winners often don't get trophies. "Oh gee, you did your job? Do it again."

[@toddjohnson271]

@@Singlesix6 The numbers don't lie....average wages, lack of pensions retirement, and higher inflation (caused by boomer era government

[@sundr0wn846]

From my personal experience, i was never told my efforts were futile. I've always been told i could achieve anything with hardwork. And i lived by that. All my efforts turning out to be futile time and time again is what made me doomer

[@Oroborus710]

This is exactly what I was thinking too, I was always told about how smart I am and all the 'potential' I have in school and growing up. However, I was never really taught how to manifest my apparent potential. Life has been a living hell trying to figure everything out on my own, and I'm still waiting for that supposed white privilege to kick in lol.

[@legitbuzhuh]

"Working smarter not harder" is the greatest sentence in this generation.

[@thesong7877]

Indeed. The problem isn't being told your efforts are worthless and futile. The problem is them actually objectively being worthless and futile.

[@Oroborus710]

@@thesong7877 *extremely loud correct dinging*

[@anactualguy8257]

@@thesong7877Truth.

[@ktait98]

“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.” - J.R.R. Tolkien.

[@ainemurray1191]

💚💚💚💚💚💚💚

[@rafaelbogdan9307]

J.R.R. Tolkien was a war veteran who lost most of his friends from early life in horrific circumstances and after that an _incredibly_ successful intellectual. His experience, and the conclusions he drew from it, are completely divorced from anything a typical doomer has to deal with.

[@lisarox4221]

I am mostly glad this isn't the "weak men, hard men, times, something something, strong men" and the "evil cannot create..." quotes people keep paroting around like Elder Scrolls NPCs

[@Emidretrauqe]

@Rafael Bogdan He certainly didn't have to deal with as much gaslighting.

[@rafaelbogdan9307]

@@lisarox4221 What has the weak men/ strong men nonsense to do with Tolkien?

[@patarkovax]

"Expect the worse and hope for the best" This is what I have lived by since middle school when I started becoming aware of the situation, now I'm in my twenties and things have only gotten worse

[@amirg7225]

im at the same point in life (23), and the country i live in (israel) is both burning around me and fueling the fire in other countries, and the planet itself look like it is about to go to hell thanks to us humans, so what is the point

[@Dressyone223]

Expect nothing and you’ll never be disappointed

[@shadowlord0162]

that is so much harder than it sounds tho@@Dressyone223

[@mojommmm]

now it seems like the best is too far fetched, something has to go wrong along the way

[@wesnohathas1993]

@@Dressyone223 Expect nothing and reality will find a way to lower your standards.

[@Uatemysoul]

Stack autism/ADHD and a feeling that you were used for years by people that didn't value you in any meaningful way and a society that is slowly improving but has stigmatized you as a person. I think, Boston said it best. "I understand about indecision But I don't care if I get behind People livin' in competition All I want is to have my peace of mind" I feel many people need to feel like they are striving for something, but more often then not that gets in the way of real happiness. I just want live in peace, grow potatoes and dream. But it's easier to connect with other people and other cultures when money doesn't get in the way. And everything costs.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

I know something we can strive for: a society where we have the freedom and resources to pursue our peace of mind. That is why I do not fear the coming civil war.

[@harrisonsmack4014]

I am 16 with autism but I know I am lucky my parents make enough money that I don’t have to worry about having to get a job when I am older but for others my age I worry

[@TheHumanPurpleTape]

I'm 39 & I ran a comic shop a few years back where our team consisted of myself, a guy in his early 40s, a 19 y.o. & a 17 y.o. We all realized relatively early that we lived very similar, oppressive lives. They actually taught us what "Doomer" meant & we were like "same". The 19 year old guy was at least a successful pro gamer; the rest of us had debt, mental health issues, dead dads, useless degrees... and no real ideas/prospects for how to climb out of what feels like a bottomless pit. They would sometimes ask us to tell them tales from the Optimistic Age in between conversations about "Berserk", which would only depress us more once we were forced to remember a time tinged with hope 😖 My point is: I think most people of any age can feel the deleterious aura of this current world. I really do feel bad for Zoomers/Doomers because this is legit all y'all have ever known. I at least lived under the *delusion* of a better world for most of my life.

[@soundseeker63]

"I think most people of any age can feel the deleterious aura of this current world." YES! Almost all of us, regardless of age or how well or not we might be doing, are increasingly aware of the dysfunction and injustice of the current system. Unfortunately that doesn't make it any less painful or scary to see said system collapse around us. But everything has a natural life cycle including human societies, and I do honestly beleive that once this painful transition period is over, whatever emerges from the ashes on the other side will be much better than what we have had before. The collapse and death phase of a society is always painful and traumatic, but equally, it is always what happens right before a complete rebirth.

[@TheHumanPurpleTape]

@@soundseeker63 I totally agree 💎

[@evilsadness3867]

Things DO matter! There are things you can do, even if it is just doing something small. When has any of you noticed what the warmth of a smile means, or a hug, or just having a person around you that means something to you. Maybe a story or a character from a story is what gives you warmth. If you can only find comfort in stories right now, why don't you try doing something like RPing in a story setting you know, and you will see that your choices have impact. YOUR CHOICES matter. And they don't just matter in these stories. You can't change the world, but you can certainly change how you choose to view those around you and yourself. I know sometimes it just feels like giving up is the only option, but really, there are so many things one can do. Don't just say goodbye to a life you haven't even started yet. There is hope and meaning, you just have to find out for yourself where it lies for you. Be kind to yourself. I hope this may help some doomers. OF course, life won't just turn around. But, step by step, slowly moving forward, maybe you can find a meaning to latch onto. Something that gives you joy, and that gives your life some bright colour. Even if it is just that one story, that one series, that one cat tictoc video that made you smile- whatever it is, these moments are the ones you should try to find. What makes you smile, and adding it slowly into your life. You can do it. I believe in all of you.

[@FinarfinNoldorin]

Right. Bring that "successful gaming" into the real world to kick ass.

[@wildKawa]

​​@@evilsadness3867 Edit: finished fully reading your comment. So basically you're saying find your coping mechanism and distract yourself from reality so you can join the smombie happy people. Ever thought about that it might not be about being content and happy at every price. Why wouldn't i be depressed, why would i try to look away from the stupidity and insanity around me? that's bs really. They don't. And that's not even considering free will and choice could easily be an illusion. Or yeah, they do. But when 9 million people do x the one person doing y won't change shit. It's okay, they got the world they wanted and managed to keep the slave classes just about content enough so they won't actually do something about their situation. And the audacity to talk about things like trickle down economics... like... how stupid are we? They are trolling us left and right for centuries and globalization made it more obvious and apparent than ever before, still the wheel keeps turning and turning and while i'm writing this on my hightech phone transmitting data via space to all of you... a child just died from hunger. And another one. And now someone commited suicide. We're merely tiny specks of dust in giant ant colony that lost control over itself. Now all left to do is to lean back and watch with a smile as the world burns up. ❤

[@watermelonbirdASMR]

I formulate it as this: while we were growing up, we were told a narrative about life and the world. And when we finally did grow up, that world we had been prepared for ceased to exist. We find ourselves amidst a chaotic landscape with a baggage of rusty lies; no map AND no destination.

[@animeloveer97]

It didn't exist then either those ideal worlds don't exist anywhere

[@easternrebel1061]

And no one to ask for directions either.

[@drewm9903]

I think the world never existed and was just an ideology disguised as a world.

[@Bladebrother]

30 y.o. Ukrainian here. Not sure which generation I am, but certainly feel like a doomer. And it's not the fear of struggle for me. I'm not afraid of working hard, it's the feeling of hopelessness and no matter how hard you try, the game is rigged from the start. Especially after seeing the horrors of war, the cities turned to ashes, my friends killed. I just want a simple, happy life. A good house, a good wife that I will love and care for, maybe kids when we're financially ready. But all I get is death, despair and ashes. I don't want anybody's pity, I will continue to carry on no matter what. It's just that my hope dwindlles by the day...

[@irreducibleBoogie]

Relative stranger from America, Christ didn't forget us brother!

[@neosapienz7885]

You will win the war and wrest control of your life back from the chaos. Just keep your head up, your eyes forward, and put one foot in front of the other, taking care of yourself and those around you the best you can. You will get through this and the future will be much brighter than you think now.

[@neosapienz7885]

@@irreducibleBoogieas a fellow American and Christian, please don’t take advantage of someone’s despair trying to evangelize. It’s manipulative and inappropriate. It’s also assumptive and condescending.

[@Bladebrother]

@@neosapienz7885 I thank you for your kind words and support brother. Me and my people will indeed fight off this evil and strive for a new, better, wiser and just country. Because we have no other choise if we want to survive.

[@pedroroque4084]

I hope you find your peace brother

[@Cotac_Rastic]

There's no new world to discover, no country to fight for. Either corporate fuedal dystopia, or poverty.

[@Gilbert_gang.]

Look forward to cyberpunk land jk why tf would you look forward to that

[@luv_sic]

​@@Gilbert_gang. Lmao. Made me chuckle. I don't know, cybernetic implants could be fun?

[@Gilbert_gang.]

@@luv_sic I bet cybernetic stuff would be for the rich tbh and I’m kinda a brokie myself

[@Mayflower-Yev]

@@Gilbert_gang. And even if they were universally available I personally wouldn’t want one of those implants. Companies aren’t exactly good on keeping a promise, like how some literally blocked access to a digitally bought game to everyone including those who already bought it and now it’s practically impossible to play it unless a physical copy exists. Who’s going to stop them from slightly influencing your brain if possible? It doesn’t have to be outright mind control, just enough to encourage avoiding specific brands and have more urges to stay loyal to that company. Btw this comment is mostly aimed at brain implants since I’m not even sure how others would work.

[@Gilbert_gang.]

@@Mayflower-Yev other implants would probably be less problematic, I would hope that brain implants would be output only and NEVER have any input

[@fairyonice9504]

Honestly, I really think Covid might have done something. I missed the one thing I really cared about in life, my graduation, and got a lame online one. I missed the last two years of high school to online learning, and people slightly older than me missed their first few years of uni. Important years, I think. And now I’m to go back to normal, despite nothing being normal. Covid gave me new anxieties, new fears for my brain to latch onto. I’ve lost two more years now, my own fault, but none of this feels real. No one talks about how nothing is normal, but I suppose we have to pretend, regardless.

[@toddpacker1015]

It'll only get worse

[@mr.jamster8414]

look out for the next one ;/

[@racool911]

I basically got a free 2 year vacation from school lmao. Freshman year straight to Senior year.

[@jakew.1090]

feeling this way too, for me the lockdowns started in the end of 8th grade, and i’m not a dumb kid but i can’t focus on online school, but after the year and a half of not leaving my house i couldn’t get back into the groove of school, especially not high school, certain personal problems were made much worse and my school pretty much expelled me into a alternative program where i was extremely isolated, after i got done with that i had no motivation for school or just anytime, straight zeros all the way down, i dropped out of high school proper just recently after i moved to a new place, and it feels like that was all a waste of time and effort, not just bc covid royally fucked my entire high school experience but bc everything is just so fucked that that didn’t even matter from the beginning

[@Infidi]

Covid definitely didn't help but it didn't cause anything. Doomerism predates covid by years

[@garrettbellinghausen8389]

It’s hard to stay optimistic when you see a world full of problems and the problems are intentional…

[@noc9472]

Hace You Heard the gospel?

[@hope020]

@@noc9472 What is it?

[@noc9472]

@@hope020 Gospel means "good news", and it is the good news that: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 (From the Bible) And if You wonder why do we need the son of God to have eternal life?, well, that is because of sin. We all humans have sinned aganist God (lying, stealing, sexual inmorality, using God's name in vain, pride, cheating, and other things), and because God is Holy (he is set apart from sin) we can't have a good relationship with him just like a criminal can't have a good relationship with a cop. If we die in our sins, we will spend eternity apart from God, and face his Holy and Just wrath for our sins (a good judge has to do his job and actually punish evil). So... What does this have to do with the son of God?, well, You probably already know the story. 2000 years ago Jesus Christ, the son of God came to earth (and this is an historical fact, is not about religion or subjective opinions) to die for our sins, to pay the price for us. If You believe in him as your savior, You accept the fact that he paid for ALL of your sins, and now You can have a relationship with God trough his Son because God won't See more sin in You because all of those were taken by Jesus to the Cross (all of this things come if You believe). Jesus resurrected 3 days later, his body is nowhere to be found on earth and that's why christianity cannot be proven false, they couldn't find the body because he rised from the death!, he is alive and Will come again one day, but right now is time to repent from sins and have faith in Jesus. Romans 5:8 days: But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. That is the gospel, have a good night and i hope you will think about it, remember that death can come any time, and if you die without your sins forgiven, your eternal Destiny won't be pretty, that's why i took time to write this message. (Sorry if My English was Bad)

[@punxOiOi13]

@@noc9472does the gospel force corruption to disappear from the world? Unfortunately, no. Now, I do believe in God and I do believe there is some truth to the Bible. But I know that book has had plenty of human lies mixed into it. It is just as rigged as the global situation. I’m sorry but I feel like it’s almost disrespectful to respond that way. I’m starving as I write this comment because the rich people across the globe are never satiated. Their greed and lust for power never ends. And they keep taking more from the little I have. And not just me but from the vast majority of humanity. What a privilege to be able to believe that book will fix all your problems. Because I was raised in a household and through schools strictly based on it, I have read it, and I know it didn’t fix my problems. I know reading it didn’t give me food to fill my stomach, money to see a doctor for the many medical issues I haven’t been able to afford to address for years, or any kind of stability amidst the complete mess my life has been since I became an adult almost 10 years ago. I want to have faith that the start to fixing my physical life is fixing my spiritual life. But I’ve been trying for so long and it’s only gotten worse. I’m so close to completely giving up. Please don’t give me that bullsh!t about the book again.

[@Noname-gm5om]

@@noc9472running away to religion solves nothing. Religion is just yet another control tool for the elite for population and crowd control. 😂 you fall in the same trap as them all, only truth is humanism and how we propel others forward for a better future. running to your god with your tail between your legs hoping for a miracle or better afterlife or some big benevolent daddy who loves you very much to solve your problems is pathetic and sad it’s been the basest way to control humans since humans existed and created religion. Turn to humans and true kindness not some abstract fake god in the fucking sky. Religion is not a cure it’s a fucking bandaid you don’t heal a wound by putting a cover over your eyes. 😂

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

As a millennial who just turned 30, I am equally as hopeless. It's not just the economic things, like unaffordable housing, low pay, no benefits, no time off. It's the way in which society has been built around me. I live with my parents in a suburb (housing in my state is notoriously expensive, amongst the highest in the country. So much so that even renting is untenable). My parents enjoy the peace and quiet, broken up only by the occasional lawnmower. This isolation drives me insane. It's impossible to talk to the neighbors because I have been taught since I was very little that just going to a neighbors house unannounced is taboo. Next to my suburb is a Highway, a Stroad to be precise. Along this Stroad are many businesses, and many more abandoned buildings. But all of these businesses are retail or restaurants. The only two things to do driving in any given direction is to either shop and go home, or eat and go home. There is nowhere to socialize, there is nowhere to meet people. Anywhere you could go to drink is a restaurant first and foremost, so they want you out as soon as you finish your meal/drink. The only entertainment venue was a movie theater, which recently shut down thanks to streaming and the pandemic. I am alone, and it is driving me to my breaking point. But I cannot escape, because I have obligations to take care of my aging parents, my mentally unwell sister, and her 6 and 2 year-old nieces. I hate it here. I've given up on being happy, just doing my best to make it to the next day with no friends and no support, but instead being support for a generation that got everything, and my sister who is older than me, but completely incapable of taking care of herself and her family.

[@davidevans7477]

Im a dick for saying this, but stop the support or find a work around. You able to drive multiple hours elsewhere? Got any hobbies? How about online? Otherwise, since you supporting them, make them move with you. You need to look out for you. If they depending on you, they have to go where you go.

[@supremeskeet5393]

Can I recommend you a book to read? Bowling Alone by Robert D. Putnam

[@cfnretro6448]

This is a problem because of the car culture and infrastructure we have. We have to drive everywhere all the time, for everything. I used to live in Chicago and after leaving, I realized how much of a blessing it was that I could go anywhere in the city without having to take my car and to have a lot of shops and restaurants within walking distance. If you have the funds, a change of scenery would help.

[@grandsome1]

I'm running a Tabletop RPG game online for my friends to have a reason to hang with with them and break the isolation. You should try to organize an online experience that can also be turned into an IRL experience if needed be to break isolation.

[@lawrencium2626]

The library, Church, and the social club - and, previously, bars and pubs - were the places to hang out where how much you pay per hour to hang out was negligible. Never look to a business for a good time to just hang out and socialise - which, I suggest, is what you're missing.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

We simply do not wish to play a game we cannot win, or even progress in.

[@minty153]

I'm 26 with autism. It's extremely hard living in a world where you feel like you weren't made for it

[@dropdoejenna8542]

Yeah I feel that hard. It’s even better when people think your being dramatic or whatever when you point that out

[@TheIFerreiraoliveira]

I feel you man, found out i have autism last year at 23, everytime i take a step, i feel that im doing something wrong cause Everyone kept telling i do stuff wrong.

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

Well, that's because the world isn't actually made for neurodivergent people at all.

[@deinodinosuchus]

THIS. i'm an undiagnosed autistic and ADHD trans person who's father is a hyper-religious pastor who despises lgbtq+ people and thinks ADHD meds shouldn't exist. i practically just graduated and i already feel like i've failed.

[@hsthatzo8063]

@@deinodinosuchusLet me guess, all trump voters are nazis? We get it, you're mentally ill.

[@paolahf]

I remember when I was a child the way that I measured success is whether or not someone was "remembered" after their death. I grew up and realized that many, many (most) people, are not remembered and will not be. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean they weren't loved, or cherished, or that they didn't do anything of value in any way. I also realized that most people who succeed and maybe get their names written in history books, or at least are remembered as one of the great ones in their respective fields, do so by chance. Sure, most of them have something that makes them outstanding, whether is a very developed and enriched mind (such as scientists) or natural ability and great discipline (such as elite athletes), are where they are because of chance; because they were at the right place, at the right time. I've got people who love me and who I love. We are probably going to work in mediocre jobs and spend our lives doing very mundane tasks. If we do well, maybe we will be able to afford to buy an apartment someday, or at least be able to offer a good home for a pet or travel internationally to some country we always wanted to see. Maybe one of us will write a book or open a successful local business. I'm not going to spend the rest of my life trying to be somebody, nor am I going to try to singlehandedly change society's values. I'm going to try to live a good life and be the best person that I can be, even if that's just a less shitty version of my current self. I'm going to try to be a good friend to my friends, a child to my parents, and maybe a good partner or a good pet-owner. My very simple philosophy may be simply an idealized version of absolute mediocrity, but I don't care anymore.

[@nicolasbolas2247]

That is well put. What's the point of living a great life right if no one will remember you? I as well will be dedicating myself to be being the best man I can be when it comes to my community and family.

[@ArtofWEZ]

I want to be a good friend to someone 200 years from now just as ones 200 years before me have

[@ligafftheindifferent3495]

The world is a VERY big place. Your legacy, and mine for that matter, has an almost 100% chance of being insignificant on a macro scale. So focus on the micro. Be a good man. Love well. I know a woman who devotes her entire life to caring for abused animals. Nobody will remember this in 50 years, but that simply does not matter. She is a first rate hero and the good she does moment to moment is enough for her and should be enough for anyone. Scale is way overrated.

[@sharonoddlyenough]

Shakespeare was only popular of and on until the 18th century, when a superfan made a great effort to popularise his work and he became known as a great playwright in English literature.

[@jan-bean]

& even if your name does end up in some history book, after a few centuries you’ll just be another random name that a kid has to memorize for a test, then forget about right after

[@Nerdosaurus]

Gen Z here. I’m 19. I see a lot of people saying that they are gen X or other older generations saying they felt this way and that we will grow out of it. I hear this from my own parents. I would describe myself as a doomer, and there is a key difference that older generations are overlooking. I have felt this way since my early teens. I’ve been hyper aware of everything since I was just leaving middle school. What’s the point in finishing school when all my dreams and aspirations don’t matter? I was told at a young age that being what I wanted to be was hard, and that I should probably aim for lower. I completed special programs that allowed me to take college level classes when I was a freshman, all the way to graduation, I applied to colleges, yet they all denied me because my SAT scores were lower, I’m not a good test taker and the education system is garbage. How are we supposed to learn anything when it sets you up for failure? This feeling only increased as I grew older, people controlling how I should feel, at work I am told to smile all the time by older generations. What is the point? I’m working grueling hours and I still can’t pay off college tuition. I’ve been told to just not go for my dreams and aspirations because I can’t handle failure. Which is not true. I fail at so much things to the point failure is pointless, just like success, all of it is just a blip and I am dragged through it. I’ve been told failure builds character, that it sets a path for success, people who told me that are liars, all my past failings are weaponized against me to keep me from achieving a win. I would love to be a dad someday… but how can I be a dad if I can’t even afford to move out of my parents house? I don’t want to watch a child grow up in the same conditions I endure every day… what kind of monster would I be if I were to subject another living being to that. And this feeling only gets worse over time. What started as a gnawing thought that lurked in the back of my mind, has consumed my every waking thought, it leaks into my dreams to the point all I have are nightmares, it’s hard to enjoy the company of friends because while I’m with them I’m happy, but there is a pit in my stomach because I know that moment of comfort will end just like every good thing has. I think it is different between gen X and upper than millennials and gen z. You guys didn’t have the internet before your twenties, we did. We had the world at our fingertips from the start you guys could afford houses, you guys could go to college and not have lifelong debt, you guys can retire… it’s hard not to utter those words and not be envious. Sure we may have gotten the world in the palm of our hands, but I would trade all of it for an ounce of stability.

[@MrGellert619]

very fucking real comment born in 00, ive seen the news of the 08 financial crisis and even if i couldnt fully understand, i knew something was bad. the media was constantly bombarding our mind with gruesome news. i continued to read and watch fucked up content since i was 14. for my unfiltered internet use, i would lurk endlessly on hiddenlol (if you know you know), watching beheading videos, neonazis curbstomping black men in the dead of the night, mutilation porn, drone strikings murdering innocent Yemeni children and much much more i won't list. all before i was 16. if you aren't from the USA or westEU, you knew your country's financial stability could crumble, like a card-castle in the smallest wind. you heard and knew that even if your parents are making "more", would be able to buy less. we've felt the depressing deprivation of covid, which took a strain on social life on all levels, and i cannot even fathom how it will affect the younger children, who weren't able to consciously digest it. because of the internet, you can know for a fact that the housing market will crash again, and there is nothing you can do about it connection my ass, i would trade the internet and the advancements of the last 40 years if it meant that i wont die lonely and broke

[@rajatkandwal4291]

I can understand how you feel

[@1nONLY_DRock]

As a early model millennial (practically a prototype), I'd say it's not that we grow out of it it's that we are resigned to it. It's like, "Okay, life's crap, but I'm stuck with it, and dividing by zero is not an option. Might as well try to make myself comfortable somehow."

[@honeybee-fh3tl]

Damn bro.. make a book about it the way you word things is low-key poetic and a lot of us gen z can relate....

[@Nerdosaurus]

@@honeybee-fh3tl thanks lol, literature has always been a strong suit of mine, I’m actually writing a book rn buuuut not about this lol

[@user-wj5cx2zp7v]

"Child mortality has halved in the past 20 years." So has the birth rate.

[@MariJu1ce]

Unrelated

[@urmom-tk5ms]

@@MariJu1ce What do you mean "unrelated"? The point here is that there are less babies being born in the first place, which means there are less babies that die. People aren't giving birth anymore because they don't believe that they could hold up a household on minimum wage, so therefore, less children.

[@Daeneiracorn]

​​@@MariJu1ce i- yes It is related? Less people having kids means a lower infant mortality. Because ain't no one having kids. Idk how that doesn't register for you-

[@prodbp]

⁠@@Daeneiracornnah, it’s a rate. Meaning it’s relative to the amount of babies being born. Don’t know how that didn’t register for you.

[@Daeneiracorn]

@@prodbp AND THE AMMOUNT OF BABIES BEING BORN IS LESS?????? i'm so confused-

[@starscreamthecruel8026]

I'm Gen X and I gave up in my 20s when it became clear that my family didnt want me to have friends(unless they chose them), have a say in my own decisions(unless preapproved by them) and get a career(because you will marry and have kids, that is your SOLE reason to exist). They also sabotaged me at every turn when I tried to get work. In my 30s I developed Infllamatory breast cancer and spend that decade getting past it and surviving. Past that point, I was hit with grief when my parents died within six years of each other and just as I was getting past that, my house was rendered unlivable during the pandemic by storm damage and spent half of the lockdown in a place that was not my own(Set up by the insurance company) and without most of my things to self soothe(which is near impossible anyway when you have mental illness). My so called friends decided to micromanage my life like my Dad did and that did not go down so well. I have felt nihilistic almost my entire life simply because no one around me WANTED me to succeed. They wanted me to follow a standardized lifepath that had been passed down in my family and when it was clear that I didn't have the ability to follow it, they isolated me from people who might give me the idea that I was not broken or defective or in the words of my Dad one time: Better off dead.

[@sonnyroy497]

Let go of toxic people and situations. It's okay to be on your own 💜.

[@galacticandromeda]

I'm a gen Z (97) but have similar parents who did the same.

[@MrHwilRRR]

That is painful... my sympathies.

[@pamelqtaylor8335]

Gen x’er here and diagnosed in 2019 with breast cancer shortly after watching my dad die of prostate cancer( which was what his father had; dying brutally after a late diagnosis) we might be sisters 😢

[@starscreamthecruel8026]

@@pamelqtaylor8335 hope you're feeling better now. Its a tough disease to get through and it can scar you for life mentally and physically but it will make you stronger.

[@Someyungrebel]

I wouldn’t say I’ve given up, but I believe we need to unfuck things

[@WilliamMcAdams]

Legendary statement.

[@thatsmuggamer]

It's definitely time the world got unfucked

[@Wildfire201X_LIVE]

Unfucking things would be great, we should work on that, we just need a lil wedge in the door

[@eiilos98]

Unfuck? Like c'mon, let's pretend that the United States does care about the world, can you imagine that? We have a lotta of problems, in which, all of them are caused by the USA.

[@MeemahSN]

We’ve got to wait until the old folks running the world pass on first.

[@ATier87]

Nice reddit post. Also, the free money most people talk about in the saying "you just want free money you lazy bastards", is the pension, house and medical treatment.

[@ktkace]

The rich and powerful rely on so called "lazy bastards"for everything. When we the majority leave, they lose big time. The only way to not lose at a rigged game is to not play at all.

[@monogramadikt5971]

if there wasnt at least some level of social security these greedy rich fucks would all become targets of savage resistance groups

[@benjamindavis2475]

I, for one, would love free money. Trump and Congress all get free money, why can't we?

[@flamu9183]

​@@benjamindavis2475 Trump isn't the President anymore.

[@babybear0067]

​@benjamindavis2475 cus they don't want to tax the rich which is either themselves or their major donors.

[@mathiasksoll958]

Here a 39 year old man from Germany. I am married since 16 years and we got 3 kids - so I became relatively young a father. I am working 45 hours every week, sometimes up to 50 hours, with no pause since I was 17. Sadly we don’t own a home and have to pay rent for the rest of our lives. We never can own a home out of our own power - no help from outside (money, heritage from family) we can never own a home. So we all live in a 4 room flat with not even a little peace of any garden. When I look out of my windows I see the mansions of all the boomer arround us and theire fancy, mostly new cars. Ours is almost 20 years. We spend most of our money on rent, groceries, energy and fuel, necessary stuff for the kids (clothes, books etc. for school, even glasses for my daughter were 400€!) and food for our 2 dogs - the only luxury we got and good, warm hearted companions for our children in this evil world. So what I am feeling as a father: Hoplessness, sadness and just resignation. And I am sooo tired from all this exhausting working 😢

[@user-ti4bl4cz7l]

You are a good man and a Father you might not have "much" and be struggling but on a deeper level you are a good person and a good Father and on the "spiritual" spectrum I think that means more than you could even imagine. I come from a very messed up family and early in life we had alot of stuff my parents managed to destroy all the wealth however I would take being raised by good parents and normal people like you guys any day. Keep the faith man fight the good fight your legacy will grow up to appreciate it and that is worth more than any money. I know it sucks and i can not imagine the pressure you are under, but for some reason i just wanted to write this. Have a good weekend .

[@mathiasksoll958]

Thank you ❤. It touched my heart deeply and I just needed that to hear. Thank you my friend 🙂

[@chelscara]

My mom is a high school teacher and she asks why these kids just seem so different. I try to tell her, they’ve been convinced the world is over why would they care and she just doesn’t get it. At 27 almost 28, I feel like I just barely missed that mark of having a 10x worse school experience and life experience in general, I still have some sort of hope, but I get why so many don’t. I don’t have enough hope to have a kid, I think bringing a child into this hell and then telling them you love them is sadistic af. But it’s where we are.

[@austinjrb]

"I think bringing a child into this hell and then telling them you love them is sadistic asf" Wheeew this is hitting bro 😮‍💨👏🏾💯

[@Damonarch7327]

@@austinjrbwe’re slowly coming to that conclusion 💯

[@user-qq1xj5zk9n]

Misery loves company.

[@katlewis8847]

I can see where you're coming from. I sympathize with it as well because I used to have the same thoughts. Nowadays, I do have a different perspective, however. I gain hope from the thought of doing everything I can to raise the next generation to have it better. Things are bad now, but we have it so bad because the world is so rapidly changing and we weren't properly prepared for it - and that's not necessarily our fault. But if we can examine the world around us and speculate possibilities on where it is going, we can make a difference and make that difference for our kids. I see so many people in our generation who are SO passionate about making a good difference in the world. That gives me hope. Hope that we can have the chance to bring someone into this world and give them the tools, knowledge, wisdom, and build the environment they need to have a better life and continue to make it better for future generations. To fuel them with that same passion that so many of us have. Maybe I'm delusional, but I just can't see a way that we are completely hopeless.

[@lunamcboss6504]

the school system has definitely gotten worse since covid. Violence against teachers by students has been rising as well as general disobedience. i graduated in 2020 when Covid had just set in, it seems like i just barely made it out before shit really hit the fan.

[@kyer9677]

I'm 26 and have essentially given up. Started struggling with severe mental health issues as a teen. Left school, had to spend like an entire decade just to get to a place where I could appear somewhat like a "normal" person, let alone even begin to think about how to build on my life. Finally got to that point and was feeling a bit of hope for a while until then just my luck a neurological condition I already had got worse to the point that now I can hardly function enough to look after myself properly without my mums help because of the extreme fatigue. There are things I want to do and work for but I know that even a fraction the amount of work I'd need to put would just make me even worse both mentally and physically anyway so why bother. I wish I was never born tbh. But at the same time i guess it could be worse...

[@hehe42069-k]

same situation here bud, 25 almost 26. About at the point where i've given up.

[@evill01]

I'm 21 and I'm already done, I left my family and school, I've experienced all the good and bad, I've been in the military and fought, I've worked and bought everything I've wanted or needed, I've traveled everywhere I've wanted and seen everything I've wanted. I don't want a family or a house or any of that stuff. I know for certain I'm not going to work for the next 50 years for nothing, I'd be working with nothing to work towards to.

[@koolycat4643]

My brother in Adam and eve, it's gonna get worse. Jesus is coming soon. I say give your life to Jesus and he will do the rest. Believe in Him and you will have ever lasting life. ❤

[@thetruecyrusplayz1256]

@@koolycat4643 Nah, not even god can save us from this Cold, Dark world, if they even exist, that is

[@slaviccz]

@@thetruecyrusplayz1256they dont.. they just dont soo

[@TK_GX]

ive lost every dice ive thrown in my life. I don't blame younger people for opting out of even rolling the dice at all.

[@minimalbstolerance8113]

@FearGX I feel the same way. People tell you that "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take," but they never consider that you might have been handed a gun against your will and pushed onto a firing range you have no desire to be on.

[@somerandomdude5043]

What were those dices?

[@DaBigSkidd]

@@somerandomdude5043opportunity’s

[@tangled55]

You're still here @FearGX. You haven't lost every die you've thrown. Keep going and be strong...no matter what.

[@nickoliver3523]

@@minimalbstolerance8113lmfao bro that saying is absolutely about basketball and not shooting guns. Unless you’re going for some kind of metaphor and I missed the point

[@faisalali5025]

All problems the humanity is facing are intentional and unnatural.

[@reedsreptiles4268]

666 the number of oppression

[@Icedanon]

The humanity? Are you... an alien?

[@ChefPierrette]

Is AI trying to tell us something?

[@defaulted9485]

Someone speaks some sense and this is what people tell them? "Are you an alien or robot?" You just proved his point.

[@Icedanon]

@defaulted9485 it's because "the humanity" is something an alien would say. Just "humanity" is how a human says it. Trust me. I know like 5 aliens.

[@funnatopia704]

Even the dream of having a family is becoming financially unattainable for a lot of young people, but what pisses me off the most is that the older folks are completely oblivious to this fact and will complain about how we aren't popping them out some grandkids. I can barely feed myself, how the hell am I supposed to support a growing child?

[@NikosM112]

+ dating being rigged where women are only after the top % of men. What sad times...

[@SqueakyCheeks23]

Right how do you take care of a child when you work 45 hrs a week and can’t pay rent. All while the older generations scream that we aren’t working hard enough, get a second job etc.

[@glassycreek1991]

​@@NikosM112 look at it from the woman's perspective. We are often left with the hungry children. Of course we want a partner who can help financially. Staying single is often the only financial choice a woman has. Both genders are suffering.

[@NikosM112]

@@glassycreek1991 Women lose nothing in a relationship. Only men. Women are not suffering.

[@glassycreek1991]

@@NikosM112 well I suffer and I am a woman.

[@pandaitis0157]

I think one of the worst parts for younger generations is how isolating society is. Even the hardest struggle is easier if you have someone to go through it with. But modern american society is so isolated. (I say american specifically only because that's what i have personal experience with) We dont have public transit so whenever we travel were alone in our own cars, stores are mostly self checkout or online shopping so we dont even see people then, work is becoming largely remote so you dont see people then, we dont talk to our neighbors or even know who they are for the most part, in school or at jobs a lot of the time talking is actively discouraged because youre supposed to be working, and you're expected to be living on your own almost as soon as youre a legal adult or you're considered a failure. And if you want to go somewhere you can meet people or hang out with ones you do know, it usually costs money to do almost anything so being social is usually really expensive. We're a social species but we live so isolated. Isolated by design. I cant stand it.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

I believe same is everywhere now. Talking in trains or buses is almost nonexsistant, expect relatives and drunks. People working in stores are generally nice, but abused by their higher-ups and some crazy old ladies that can drive anybody insane. I believe same is happening everywhere, one way or another. We just started to noticing it, problems are all very old by now.

[@anthonycekic4509]

I think that is by design. People can rise up if they are kept socially isolated or things are made to be isolating by design. The rich learned from the Gilded Age. The secret is many of us need to form groups that work towards the similar goals, but are separate. Think if BLM, Occupy Wall Street, and several other groups were working at the same time but not really aware of each other initially. That is how we change the system.

[@The_True_Mx_Pink]

@@anthonycekic4509 YES. It is entirely by design, it's so much easier to control a people who think they're not strong enough to fight back. Always be willing to throw a brick at a cop with your fellow people.

[@Laurtew]

You know what I think is funny? I'm older, Gen X, and I'm social, so when I'm at the grocery or out and about I talk to random strangers. You know who is put off by me and walks away? Anyone under 30. You all have been conditioned this way. You choose the online chat function for customer service so you don't have to talk to someone. You have your groceries delivered. I think your parents and their "don't talk to strangers" thing might have contributed to it, but most younger people I know avoid talking to people like the plague. (I've been told it's too anxiety producing and uses too much emotional bandwidth.) Talk to strangers. It is scary at first, but I've met a lot of people that way. I'd also suggest volunteering somewhere if you can. Most places are thrilled to get the help and you'll meet so many new people. Also, look for community groups. I just found a local garden club and went to their meeting. These women are so friendly and willing to help me learn things. Look into the programs at your local library. They have game nights and book clubs and they are usually free. (I worked at a library for a while. The only people who came to the book clubs were old ladies. Young people didn't want to be around that many people. But, those old ladies brought the best cookies to share!)

[@anthonycekic4509]

@Laurtew Stranger Danger started in the 80s and kept going in the 90s.

[@ashboheme]

Life feels so hopeless. We work so damn hard for barely anything in return.

[@JoshGoblin]

A lot of it has to do with alienation with our work. Capitalism has alienated us from the direct satisfaction of our labor. The only reason why this youtuber is optimistic is because he got lucky on youtube. His channel is like that one black mirror episode where most people ride on stationary bikes to earn credits. And if end stage capitalism isn’t bad enough, we also have the terrifying consequences of climate change. I suggest reading Ted Kazinsky’s manifesto. While not perfect it is a good starting point. I also highly recommend the works of Noam Chomsky.

[@kiwenmanisuno]

Work was the point, but specifically the work you actually like. Zoomers were born in a time where what you like is not what's good for you.

[@alex-dj3of]

Working hard gives you work skills

[@alex-dj3of]

@@JoshGoblin legit fucking comment for gen z

[@alex-dj3of]

Gen z needed to create their own labor their own industry their own economy and their own empire

[@roberthicks7021]

Im in my 60's, ive been feeling this way for a long time. Humanity is a slow motion trainwreck.

[@TheFarSideNoob]

"living values you believe to be true is the only power you have" Damn straight. I think a lot of the doomer despair comes from recognizing that the values you have (e.g. Selflessness, empathy) are not encouraged by society in its current form. This can be incredibly discouraging and makes it tempting to retreat into isolation. But I'm starting to to notice that, if you choose to bring your values out into the world, you start finding a lot of people who feel just the same way you do. And the more of us find each other, the better chance we have of banding together and changing society for the better.

[@scary5455]

I find the opposite. Society encourages profuse empathy and selflessnes to the detriment of myself. Getting more assertive.

[@RedEyeification]

It's very important how do you apply the values.Too much empathy and care can transform in an utopia or lack of empathy and care can lead to a much agressive form of society.I can t say that today society show any form of empathy or care....everything is fake and comercial.

[@zulthyr1852]

@@scary5455 I find it quite a complex situation--the society itself is structured in such a way that forces those of suicidal levels of empathy of selflessness to be at the bottom, yet this same society considers those values as the highest virtues.

[@sonnyroy497]

Letting go of a dysfunctional world while at the same time creating and building a better world.

[@arcticcircle9178]

Better chance, but 0.00002% is a better chance than 0.00001%. You sure there's a good chance at this? And what would we even change it to? And how?

[@Dodgerzden]

As a Boomer in the US, I felt the same exact way as the Reddit user about having no hope of buying a house when I was in my 30s. Real Estate was much more affordable for my father who bought his first house in his 20s. I did manage to buy my first townhouse when I was 40 and then move to a more affordable state to buy my first real house when I was 50. And this is why I can commiserate with Zoomers. It's even more impossible for them with the low wages, exorbitant college costs, and out-of-control housing costs which are exponentially worse than in my day.

[@robinthespider9447]

I appreciate that you can recognize these things. Even non-family members I know that are older than 40 almost always refuse to believe houses are expensive.

[@ConnorRK-nk8rg]

Gen Z at 22 here. What made me more of a doomer was looking at everything going on in the world. My ability to have a decent life is now incredibly difficult to achieve. 20-30 years ago, getting a decent career going and making something of yourself by age 25 was far more in reach than it is now. Now it seems like the only way that you can achieve a comfortable life is if your parents have money. These are some of the things that I have observed ever since I turned 18 and made me have more of that doomer mindset. Housing: I'll be lucky if I can ever afford to own my own house by the time that I'm 40. Housing prices have gone sky-high, and they aren't coming down for the foreseeable future. I've seen houses that would cost about $125,000 a decade ago now on the market for half a million dollars. The house I grew up in, my parents got it for $80,000 back in 1999, now the house is worth around $200,000. The Credit System: Every single possible financial decision that you can make in your life is tied to the credit system. You absolutely have to have good credit to own anything or even rent an apartment. If you're the kind of person who doesn't want to have a credit card, make large purchases like a car outright instead of financing, and just pay for everything using your own money, you won't be able to do anything. You won't be able to rent an apartment because they want to look at your credit score, car insurance rates are frequently tied to your credit score, you won't be able to take out a loan, and the only way you will be able to finance a car is if you get your car loan with excessive interest rates. Education: The ability to have a decent college education is borderline impossible to achieve without putting yourself into excessive amounts of debt. Colleges have hiked their tuition fees, and it doesn't even correlate to inflation either. College tuition has skyrocketed since 1971, and now in the 2020s, the only way that you can get a quality education is to take out a loan with asinine interest rates and depending on how much that college charges for tuition, you could end up being stuck with debt that won't go away for a decade or more. Medical Care: The average cost of an ambulance ride is around $2,500. If you don't have health insurance, you could be paying thousands if you have to go to the emergency room. Lifesaving procedures can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Just getting something as benign as an ingrown toenail removed can cost up to $1,000. Even if you have health insurance, health insurance frequently doesn't cover dental, so good luck if you have to have braces. Our medical system shouldn't cost that much to begin with. And if you have to go to the hospital, and you fall behind on paying them back, they'll turn you over to a debt collector, so now it impacts your credit score, and a debt collection will remain on your credit report for years. Wages: Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour and it hasn't been raised in 14 years. If it were to keep pace with inflation, the federal minimum wage should be around $10.25 an hour, but even then, in the majority of places in America, you aren't going to be able to survive on anything less than $15 an hour. We have gotten to the point where several states refuse to increase their minimum wages and would rather reimplement child labor than pay workers better. At this point, why play the game at all? It's rigged against you and I, and no matter what we do, things aren't going to be improving any time soon. The world has gotten easier for the uber wealthy, but for the average person, their lives are getting more and more difficult with each passing year. Why should I play the game to begin with? All the game has proven to do is just mess people's lives up.

[@kayliehatesyou]

You are absolutely right

[@KingBeardJude]

I wish it was more clear to me how to transcend those heights. How to build something out of nothing these days like so many have done in the past.

[@KingBeardJude]

I absolutely hate how to rich can just continue to fuck us over and how complacent people can be about it. Or how our society enables that kind of inequality toward people.

[@NightinGal89]

But, giving up is what the higher powers want you to do, so they can institute a totalitarian regime. For me, a huge motivation to not give up in life is thinking of all the *ssholes who would benefit from it. Lol. I'm 34 and started my work life working at a supermarket after graduating college in 2011. I went back for another degree in tech in 2012, graduated 2016, got a job in tech, that didn't even pay great, but we were sent on delegation abroad and paid a nice bonus for it. I was still living at home, in a flat. But I saved money and by 2017 had enough for a downpayment on an apartment, so I got one. Sure, a house would be nice, but a flat is better than nothing. But then I live in the EU, where I could go to college almost for free. Perhaps consider moving?

[@austinlarrimore6542]

I’m not gonna disagree with a lot of what you said but your never gonna get anywhere with that mindset

[@donedeal8385]

I'm 53 and gave up. No one has a monopoly on seeing the truth. We have no agency and no hope of it.

[@catherinebirch2399]

I'm a baby boomer and I heartily agree with the doomers.I watched my father work hard just to provide us with the basic necessities of life. No holidays, no car and no home phone. He had to work overtime just to afford a colour tv. It took him 30 years to pay off the mortgage on a tiny semi detached house where you couldn't swing a cat in any of the rooms because they were so small. I avoided hard work all my life because there are no rewards for it.

[@gharm9129]

And then your generation flooded the host country with incompatible third world people and culture causing suppression of wages and fracturing social cohesion (it's a real thing look it up) all while increasing demand for jobs and housing, inflating housing and over stressing the social care systems that were calculated for the people of the host country. Let's villainize the native people of said host country and have it's own government work against them. Gee I wonder why it's all fecked goy but anyways let's import more because we're going to say no one wants to work or we need more workers. Enjoy the shit bed you made, day of the pillow awaits and these imports hate you.

[@cookiesmcsalsa1281]

Um, wow, this is enlightening. So things sucked even before the Boomer generation then?

[@gharm9129]

@@cookiesmcsalsa1281 Sometimes but over all there is no precedent for this current hellish landscape they helped to create.

[@Laurtew]

As someone who watched her father work hard and he was a success and I am now working hard and living a life I love, I think maybe you created a life you expected. Sometimes the rewards aren't what everyone says they should be, but I'm happy with what my work has gotten me.

[@catherinebirch2399]

@@cookiesmcsalsa1281 If you check out history. Things have sucked since the beginning of the human race.

[@AmeliaPlayz]

This is exactly how I've been feeling lately. Ever since I've turned 20, I've felt a lot of despair towards the future. I'm learning to live in the moment and not be so concerned with what my life might be 5 years down the road.

[@isaachester8475]

Keep it up 💪 Sometimes taking it one day at a time is all we can feasibly manage, and that’s okay as long as we keep moving forward and trying to improve

[@Cobalt985]

Nothing is set in stone, you never could have planned it out if you tried.

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

Trying to plan out the next 5 years of your life does as much good as trying to plan out the daily weather for the next half a year. Sure, you can try but the likelihood you'll succeed 100% is basically non-existent. Far, FAR too many variables outside your control. Like, you could say "I want to have my car paid off in 3 years." and you're two years into it and boom, some dumbass on his phone sideslams you and totals your car. Just focus on making the next day, week, or month go well and you do that enough times, you'll be 5 years down the road looking back at the good things you did.

[@thersandersm1363]

The experience that turned me into a doomer was with my first real job. I had started an apprenticeship as a locksmith and from the first hours of work, instead of being taught what to do and shit, it was expected of me to put in exactly as much work as anyone else. My boss would complain about it, despite him being the one that hired me. Eventually I learned the craft and finished my apprenticeship and had to literally argue with my boss to get a pay raise as I wasn't an apprentice anymore. Then comes the time when, my mentor at work went on pension and we were 1 person short so our boss asked us to work some extra hours, which I wasn't against, I'm not afraid to work, but the issue was that my boss twisted his words to give me a fixed monthly pay instead of by the hour. So I had to argue again and stop working extra until my boss finally decided to pay me. Then a few months later he starts asking for extra hours again and I'm like "ok, but I can't start today because I'm getting my motorcycle license and I have driving lessons at 6 so I really need to finish at 5.", and he goes crazy about how I waste my time, how I should call and change my appointment because he really needs me to stay extra, about how I want money for extra work but I'm not willing to do it, about how he will loose clients and X amount of money cause I won't stay extra. All in all, it was a toxic environment and the only reason I put up with it was because I wanted to gain some experience before going to work somewhere else. However, it had gotten worse, I fell into depression, every day at work was a day in which my boss would come and try to command me on what to do with my free time. And I put up with it because I had gotten my motorcycle license and wanted to go buy one and was excited, just to go at a dealership and despite paying half the price up front, be denied paying the rest in installments over 1 year. And that's when I just gave up....if I can't even buy a used motorcycle, what chances do I have at a house? It only got worse since...inflation came and everyone's raising the prices for everything but salaries? God forbid they raise the salaries! God forbid people live comfortably and not worry about living paycheck to paycheck. We're slaves to a system that doesn't give a damn about us. We're only good as long as we can work and pay our taxes, when we can't do that anymore, they'll find a way to throw you on the streets to live off of charity so they won't have to spend money on you. Anyway, I eventually moved from that job to a better paid and less stressful one, I'm saving up for a motorcycle again, but this time I want to save all the money I need. I reached the point where I work to fund my dreams and I'm not worrying about what might happen in the future.

[@IIIISai]

whats the job

[@gektoast4968]

I believe in you man. Keep going. I’d hate to see you give up now that you’re just starting again! 🏍️

[@abemartinez9623]

Lol don’t tell your boss what you’re doing in personal time. Always say you have to help family…. Hope you learned your lesson

[@swaggadash9017]

The problem with rasing everyone wages is businesses just raise their prices to compensate it.

[@mar9004]

@@abemartinez9623 that’s toxic culture bosses shouldn’t care wether you have a sick relative to take care of or you wanna scratch your underboob in your own personal free time.

[@AshleySpeaks4U]

They are our children-of COURSE we noticed! 😢 We are ALL losing our lives. Our happiness and future has been STOLEN. As a Gen X, I watched it unfold. It has been aweful. A nightmare. 😞

[@hannahl5663]

It’s a natural result of the illusion of American Dream (and also similar illusions in other countries) breaking down. When success seems out of reach, it becomes about getting by, which motivates people to just do… what it takes to get by. The problem is employers are mostly Boomers and Gen X, who still think people should be motivated to chase the carrot of success, but there’s no carrot anymore. You get what you pay for, and when there’s no benefits, no time off, and no loyalty to employees, you get employees who have no loyalty to the company, do only what they’re absolutely paid to do, call in sick or don’t show up, and switch jobs a lot. It’s not that they’re lazy or entitled, it’s that there’s no incentive. And people ARE entitled to fair compensation which they are not getting.

[@TravellerZasha]

Personally I've given up, the amount of times i've tried and failed at making my life better by moving out of my toxic environment and fixing the issues about me in a safe space was a saddening amount that now i'm too tired to keep on trying. I think i've experienced so much trauma i've become numb to it after seeing my dreams crushed recently. I've become so cynical after seeing so much corruption in this world. I passively wish and await for death. My best friend is a rare one, he looks at the world so beautifully and optimistically. He would constantly tell me how much he enjoys the outside world, how happy he is to have his friends. He finds joy even in the most simplistic of things and I don't know how some people can just wake up excited for the day. But he's beautiful in thinking that. And he sticks to the values he believes even if I don't believe in them myself. I wish to protect that part of him, I don't want him to ever feel this dooming mindset that I feel. Because that small part of him, it makes me believe in hope as well.

[@scary5455]

The first paragraph is how i was when i was a leftist. The second is how i am as a rightist.

[@dylantryalot6187]

@@scary5455Come on. Stop hiding behind a wall that doesn’t exist. Separating people into boxes does not make a problem go away

[@RedEyeification]

Maybe your friend doesn't have materialistic problems,that's why he's seeing everything in pink.

[@dennisrobinson8008]

@@scary5455 that's scary

[@scary5455]

@@dylantryalot6187 are you implying human intellectual capacity to categorise and discern difference is not useful?

[@gunterxvoices4101]

Doomerism isn't an option out. It is just the final stage of grief.

[@robertsteiner4696]

More accurately the final stage of it: just....acceptance. If the game is rigged and everything supporting it is failing, then whats the point playing the game in the first place and not just cheating? People say it gets better until they see their family starving or going without medication they need. The optimism in some people is honestly sickening.

[@swaggadash9017]

​@@robertsteiner4696The only way to avoid being a doomer is to be completely ignorant of the world.

[@kawansiesquad6659]

@@swaggadash9017ignorance is bliss after all

[@Pegarexucorn]

And yet people will ridicule and mock doomers for how they feel. Do these people think doomers choose to live the way they do? That it's some rose-tinted adventure? I think they do. People really don't have the empathy they preach about. I have a lot of it or maybe I have a normal amount but in comparison to other people, it seems greater. It's because of that empathy that I've become so nihilistic and misanthropic. The left whines and cries and gloats about empathy while simultaneously showing a complete lack of it as soon as a pro-lifer enters their proximity or someone who doesn't completely agree on how trans issues are being handled. (This isn't solely a leftist issue but they are the side that pretends they care so they're an easy example) One thing I'm not sure of is if it's a lack of empathy humans seem to have or if it's selective empathy. Either way, you're all dogshit.

[@internalizedhappyness9774]

Life was a Ponzi Scheme

[@LoveAlwaysAleja]

As a millennial who had a childhood and teenage years that were quite lighthearted (at least compared to the world today) -- you are all so so so strong & I'm shocked at how kind many of the young people are despite the hardships. The people older than us taught us that hardships make people harsh, but I've seen better and kinder people born in the last 20 years than some of the adults who taught me as a kid.

[@rionka]

I second this.

[@FinarfinNoldorin]

Thank you very much, young man. I am 74 years old, and it is refreshing and hopeful that your generation is actually considering the problems in our society. You are being left with many challenges to be resolved and I can see that you, as well as others who listen to you, actually do care about what is happening, or not, in the world. Leaders have failed us, and with you coming of age to vote it gives me hope that you will change the world for the better. With hate and despair so prevalent today, you can create a future filled with love for others and the planet that is our natural environment. God bless you, sweet children. When it is my time to leave here, which I am sure will be soon, I can go with a smile because I will know my physical home is in good hands.

[@griffingirl5805]

Thank you for this, your comment gives me hope

[@papermind4010]

Leaders have nothing to do with this really. It is the people who vote in the leaders, and for generations people have voted for people that were gonna take care of them. People voted for a daddy government, that’s why the western world is so fucked.

[@Probablylani]

Thanks for actually understanding the context of the video and having some perspective 😅

[@maninagasmask]

Thank you for this

[@worldsandbeyond]

I am crying. We will not fail you, I promise.

[@The_LadyAJ]

I watched my father work grueling hours throughout my whole childhood. He regularly pulled all-nighters. And I don't know if he will ever make it to retirement. I regularly find myself thinking that his job is gonna kill him. Watching how miserable he is in that job, how miserable he was for so much of my young life, has made me terrified of getting stuck in the same situation. And he works in a creative field. He's a designer. It shouldn't be like this. I spent a year working for a daycare, and I quit. Not because the job was a nightmare. It wasn't that bad. The main reason was that it was never ending. By the time I got home I was too tired to do anything but crash. I could so easily imagine getting myself stuck in that job for the next decade if I wasn't careful. So I quit. It's so unbelievably hard to imagine my future as anything other than a constant grind of work work work and exhaustion. That's why I'm losing hope.

[@ethanspaziani1070]

Exactly

[@serily4524]

childhood f

[@karabartley]

My stepfather worked until the day he got sick and died. I warned my mother for years that the precious social security she was banking on wouldnt be there, she was very angrh with me when she had to learn I was right.

[@The_LadyAJ]

@@serily4524 No. I love my parents. I had a wonderful childhood despite how hard my dad worked for it.

[@saiflix1]

was your father an architect

[@karanhdream]

As a gen Z, it feels both sad yet validating to hear this (and read the comments) yet I also feel removed from it. I have C-PTSD, emotional abandonment trauma and depression episodes resulting of my childhood and teenage years. My parents are extremely disconnected from my life experience, we have nothing in common when it comes to those things. I just turned 26 and if I compare my life to theirs at the same age, yeah my life seems way less successful. I'm single, still studying part time and I struggle to make ends meet whilst having a bachelor's degree and working full time as an department administrator for one of the biggest museums of my country. That shouldn't be normal, yet it is now. But this summer, I had this moment of intense happiness. I was on my balcony, planting flowers, my bunny was with me chewing on lettuce and just being cute. I looked at my life and thought "if anyone had told me 10 years ago that one day I'd be here... I never would have believed them". 10 years ago I was in the pits of depression and tried to end my life. Now... yes I'm broke, yes the game is rigged and I struggle on many aspects, more than I should and I'm still an emotional mess of abandonment and trust issues and yet... My life is the best it's ever been. I'm safe, hundreds of miles away from my abusers, I'm free. Not to invalidate anyone's experience, it's different for everyone. But, if you're in a right headspace for that, try to look around you and think of something that's good in your life and that you never thought you would have years ago. It can be a very simple thing like having your own bedroom or getting to decide what tonight's meal is going to be and no one can tell you otherwise. It's hard to not get swallowed by the nihilism and the loneliness sometimes... I know, gosh I know. But try this little exercise. It doesn't solve everything but if it can make you feel a little lighter just for a few minutes, trust me it's worth it.

[@karatepanda1796]

Thanks for your comment, helped lift me up during a rough time ❤

[@stju6676]

I couldn't relate more! Most of the times I'm looking forward into the future and think "Gosh, there's always gonna be problems, with everything, I'm never gonna live a peaceful life". But then, if I look BACK, at how far I've come!.. I'm not completely happy with my job and my house, but just 5 years ago I BELIEVED I couldn't even find a job, and wasn't even thinking of where I could live because everything seemed impossible and unsolvable. And now I'm getting ready for MY job, doing house chores in a COMPLETELY different city and, forgodssake, I'm still alive, which also seemed to be a real struggle for about 10 years😅 It can be terrifying but at the same time it's SO amazing. And the power you feel by just thinking a different way, by turning upside down your perception on everyday things... It really made me realize that you need to find peace inside yourself, not outside

[@Macchiato2398]

What a beautiful thing to say; thank you! Wishing you and all other GenZers like us happiness and satisfaction even for simple things 🦋

[@SaraSara-oe6il]

aint reading allat

[@moonlightfitz]

SO TRUE

[@bonniepinney2884]

If one more person tells me i just don't want to work im going to lose it i swear.

[@7sevensevern]

Im 36 and feel exactly the same. We were prepared for life in a world that no longer exists

[@heartofartichoke4340]

I'm 48 and I lived in the world I was prepared for, but then it vanished. I suppose I was lucky to have that time...but what now?!

[@josem588]

@@heartofartichoke4340 well now you lived in the best financial times what more can you want ?

[@samanthachildress1091]

36 here and I honestly have a lot of respect for the younger generations. My daughter is 14 and she’s been seeing through the BS for so long already. I’m glad they are quietly pulling back and saying they won’t play this game any longer. I’m there mentally, but it’s been a long road of brainwashing I have to go up against.

[@heartofartichoke4340]

@@josem588 did I? There's been five major recessions since I was born, as a child I'd keep my coat on indoors when the heating wasn't on. I think interest rates were about 14% when my parents were raising us. My older sibling is 53 and paid £30k for a flat. I think I just missed the cut for better finance but every generation has lived through a lot of recessions. I'm grateful I'm not younger, but that's more for cultural reasons really, mostly related to tech and AI. I don't have kids but I'm often flummoxed by people who now complain they can't afford to take kids for a meal out. There's never been enough money for that unless you're rich.

[@josem588]

@@heartofartichoke4340 but you still managed to get a house ?

[@marcuswilcowski9933]

Early border of Gen Z here. I want to give my reason for why I gave up, but am slowly getting back on my feet. I was born into a national time of crisis (Nov 2001), and was thrown into the big and open world during a pandemic. For me, I grew up thinking that I would finish school, go to college, buy a house, have a family, retire, and die happy. What I experienced was that every little handhold I could grasp would crumble beneath me. My dreams of being a scientist were crushed, I can barely make enough money without putting my physical and mental health at risk, and I was lied to my whole life, yet I'm belittled by even my own mother, being told that that's "adulting". To me, I see no value in a life I can't enjoy. I'm just glad that I'm on my way to a better lifestyle now.

[@sarahparrish7206]

Same, though I was born in January of 2001. Still in college but I know people who are thinking about dropping out (or already have) to pursue their dreams (flight school, travel blogging) and its hard not to join them. So much (100%) of my life has been spent working toward this imaginary goal of getting a good job etc. etc., I’ll be graduating a year later than I should have and I don’t even know if I want to go into the field I’ve been studying for 4 years. I feel like I have no passions and that no matter what I do, nothing will matter in the end. It’s almost tranquil at times, and incredibly anxiety-inducing at others…

[@scottypittman1]

I was born in January of 2001 too, and honestly, it feels like nothing I do is right. I want to pursue my dream? Well, I can't make any money off of it right now, so I shouldn't do it because I need money to support myself. I want my feelings to be respected by my own mother? Well, I'm wrong for that, too. I mean, when your own family is bipolar with their misery caused by their jobs, that makes me ask why would I want to do that to myself? I don't want to be a millionaire, I just want to provide for myself and my family and just be happy, and the way my parents told me to do it just ain't it.

[@mendlez2306]

Hey 2001 fellas, seems this is our thing now, im from December 2001, i've been studying for the last couple of years a career im not interested in, i only picked it out of the pressure of getting in college and not knowing what i wanted, every time i feel like trying to pursue my true interests i come across people talking about how working in something you are passionate about will ruin said thing for you and it wont give you any money, my dad wants me to continue the career since he believes it would surely get me a good paying job, but then i look at my mom, who followed that path, and her mental state, along all the pain she caused to our family and herself, i cant help but feel no matter what i choose im going trough the wrong path, like im destined for misery, giving up my dreams and working on a farm genuinely sounds like the best available option since "choosing a path i enjoy to misery" isnt a really optimistic though.

[@warnertesla8297]

You need a wife and a family. They will be your reason to live.

[@scottypittman1]

@@warnertesla8297 Yeah, but good women are getting harder and harder to find nowadays. I'd rather be single my whole life than find a woman who only wants to take half my stuff.

[@inplane9970]

Being someone in my mid-20s, it's difficult to plan for a future that may not even exist. The only thing that is driving me is self-improvement on my physique as I consistently workout. It's a superficial and stupid reason to live, but it's what keeps my brain intact. A lot of people would call me selfish/egotistical/close-minded when I express I only want to focus on myself and the eventual special someone I'll meet, but that's my way of living. Find your own too and hopefully things become a bit more bearable.

[@areyoutheregoditsmedave]

i cope in the same way. i dont see it as shallow. one learns much from disciplined bodybuilding.

[@bebe8842]

it s the best u can do, invest and take care of yourself. be selfish in this!

[@BeeTheTravler]

Treating yourself with respect and doing things like improving yourself isn’t selfish at all. Godspeed to you man

[@frankgriffin6293]

You are correct about how bad things are. Women and society are simply ignoring men like they always do. The only problem is that there is little to fix the situation. Women whore themselves out due to feminism to Chads and have a body counts of 50. Once the women get older and want to settle down the men who have had 0 lovers are repulsed by the vile women and only desire them for fun but not a life partner. The women at least get to be with someone but many of the men are completely alone until 30. So early on women want to screw and not marry. Later one men want to screw finally but will not marry a whore. So both sides end up unhappy but don't dare ask women to quit whoring around. Society tells men to marry these used up difficult women even if they have kids. The data shows that men are not obeying any more.

[@abyss5883]

I agree losing some weight increased my confidence and happiness a lot. I'm not a egotistical influencer but I do feel a lot more attractive

[@Mad3bunny]

I feel like it’s even worse if you have mental or physical disabilities because you know you will never make it without sheer luck or the right people who would be willing to give you a chance but you’ll most likely find less helpful people and will only get ignored or not taken seriously as a person. I’m autistic and I have trouble communicating with people so I already know I am at a disadvantage in life.

[@lydisforia]

in addition to having no "purpose", our society is completely divided. people charge you, judge you for your interests, and you have to accept that only because you are still young and have to obey the elders. we roam a world with completely different visions where our vision is not understood, no matter how hard you try to seek a different perspective.

[@Notabl3]

society has always been divided, just gotta accept it.

[@kiwenmanisuno]

@@Notabl3 Accept what? Tribalism?

[@Notabl3]

@@kiwenmanisuno accept humanity never will be perfect where everyone's in unity. its not that complicated

[@rollingdudes8859]

Living through the FALL OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE is SO SAD!!!

[@drewm9903]

@@rollingdudes8859 That part I don't consider sad. The US Empire deserved every bit of it just like nearly every empire before it deserved their collapse. Especially since the US and the elites did it to itself. It's people that never went along with this the ones I feel bad for.

[@MegaChickenfish]

I was hit hard when Bo Burnham's Inside included the line about googling "Derealization" _only to find out my therapist had been quietly treating me for it for 2 years._ o_O I've always retreated into fantasy rather than focus on the real world, but it felt like recent events pushed me out of that bubble into seeing the real world and caring about that for the first time, only for it to be massively overwhelming as my first sights of it are entire governments collapsing and *continents burning.* You guys remember that ? Australia, the continent, *catching fire* in their largest wildfire in history? That moment you realize that human extinction could actually be on the table for the future? And barely anyone seems to care? It's been a lot to process, especially since the pandemic shattered my idealism that you could talk to people and reason with them when they're wrong. I watched people *die* slow, painful, preventable deaths and never admit a damn thing.

[@Ombrepoyo]

Australia is not a continent, also there is no point in trying to reason with someone who doesn't believe in facts. My only advice is live let die, learn how to let go of things and people, how to lose and how to mourn. Learn how to love too, how to see beyond what you think you know. You can't change the whole world but you can change the world of the people you know and love.

[@cheekybear1231]

@@Ombrepoyo not to be that guy but australia is indeed a continent it takes like 30 seconds of searching to confirm that. now as if there a really people living there or just paid actors posing as them after they lost a war against emus is another matter

[@amburger4963]

@@cheekybear1231 I think he kind of proved a point. I think he meant it as a trigger

[@Flow-Fi-]

Your worries aren’t new. People have wondered whether human extinction was on the horizon since the beginning of civilization. We’ve always been skeptical of new technology and worried about new problems. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t focus on these problems. Obviously we should, but it’s meant to reassure you that your worries aren’t the first time they’ve come up. You weren’t the first human and you most likely won’t be the last.

[@itsLantik]

I also suffer from derealization for similar reasons. It's important to realize humans aren't going anywhere, we are the most successful species for a reason. A good strategy for me is thinking about nostalgic things and connecting it to the present, essentially showing myself that we do live in the "good old days". Feel free to ask questions, I love a good conversation!

[@ThatFont]

My parents killed our relationship thinking they were moulding me into what they wanted, that they actually succeeded in controlling me. Well, they found out they were wrong.

[@gjinkalla23]

It's happening to me now, no thank you I've seen enough misery

[@karabartley]

I know this feeling all too well. Horrid as they are, i miss mine.

[@matthorrocks6517]

Least you stayed out of prison and are not dead. So gj?

[@BringMeTheDisco]

Happening to me right now to be honest, parents try to shape you what they want you to be and it ruins your childhood and it also wastes 18 years of your life. Or if the parents want you to they will make you stay with them until you or they die, the parents can make you stay by bringing in fear, which as a 14 year old I will say I think child abuse is overlooked by a lot and nobody knows how much it happens. That mental fear sticks with you as a child, and if you even get to 18 (without dying by being murdered or suicide) you will still have that mental fear with you, or parents will threaten you to stay with them until you die. People think it's mainly us kids fault but people often forget the main people that shape us kids and that's parents. As a kid with a father that's racist and has anger issues, and as a kid with a mother who just kinda gets yelled at by her "lover". I kind of lost all sense of guilt and I lost sympathy, I sound like a doomer and sadly I may be, but I just kinda wanted to say this. I don't know how life will be when I turn 18, please say anything you want to this reply I made, have a good day. I feel like everything gets worse from here, but maybe reply to this comment years later and I will respond telling you if I got better or not. Have a great day, love yall.

[@gjinkalla23]

@@BringMeTheDisco brain wash your mind if you don't you'll be the same even if years go by. I have had a very tough journey too and I believe you can't face fear you have to train your brain bombard it with affirmations that will lead the brain see and make better decisions for you. Fear is in mind, courage is in heart. Parents want to live through you and implement just like their parents have done the 'guilt'that you have to reward their sacrifices by sacrificing your authentic self. I will never again🥰 I can't afford to loose myself again

[@notsobraindeadjester]

Don't play a game run by corrupt designers. Just be alive. Be good to one another. I say, everyone in the world should stop paying bills. Lets bankrupt the financial system. Money doesn't keep electricity on. The machines do. Lets just keep everything fundamental running, create a world of freedom from the snares of dominator culture, and reconnect to one another. Love one another. Never allow a single person to gain power over others. All we have to do is not accept their authority, not play their game, we protect our own, we cooperate with our neighbors, and we live free on this planet. Let the old way die. May we adopt a spirituality that reveres life and is in awe at this wonderous reality in which we are creators. People, stop believing the authorities, the government. These people are corrupt and against life itself. Be blessed, and dont play the game.

[@notsobraindeadjester]

@user-wc5lw7ps6h1 eh... it goes back and forth. Good things start, become corrupted, fade away and decay, and then new good things start. Cycles upon cycles

[@daslaen]

the scenario youre describing sounds like a utopia i desperately wish to believe we one day might have, but thinking rationally, it just sounds too good to be anything but a dream

[@notsobraindeadjester]

@daslaen I get that. But, it's not about dreaming of a utopia. I aim for these values myself, and if there are any values that are worth promoting, I think it's these ones.

[@maxentirunos]

On the entitlement problem, I really want to add to that: "Why are you so entitled?" Because you TOLD US we would be entitled to something. Growing up, pretty much every adult was telling us "you need to go to college you need to go to college you need to go to college" on repeat, and if you told them you were considering not going to college they'd look at you like you just said your five year plan was running around blindfolded on the interstate. "Go to college and get a degree! What you major in isn't important, all that's important is that you have a degree! Then you'll get a good job and be able to afford a nice life!" Because that's the social contract we were led into. Stay out of trouble, get good grades, do sanctioned extracurricular activities, help out in the community, don't get or get anyone else pregnant, finish High School, go to College, get a degree. Do all of this along with anything else we tell you for the first quarter century of your life, and in return when you enter the workforce you'll get a good job and have a nice life. So we did all of that, we did everything we were supposed to, then we stepped out into the workforce and said "OK, I'm ready to get to work and contribute! Where's that job I was told about?" and were immediately met with "What, you think just because you have a fancy degree you're qualified for a job? That's the problem with your generation, you're entitled." But you know what? We are entitled. We're entitled because we were told "Do all of these things we ask you to do, and in return here is what you'll be entitled to." We held up our end of the bargain, and then we got left holding the bag. Now the generation that scammed us can't fathom why we want nothing to do with the way of life they barred us from

[@source3nergy203]

Hmm

[@MaskedMass]

I'd agree with you, but most people DON'T do those things. This generation is filled with teenagers and young adults who spend the majority of their money on video games, coffee, Netflix, and smoking weed. And when you call them out on it, they cry and declare that it's how they cope; or "Just let me live my life, what do you care?" Or they rattle off some nonsense about climate change and inflation as if these things have anything to do with their lack of motivation. These things exist, and they take a toll on you whether you play the game or not. You're alive, you're in this society, these things are going to affect you whether you like it or not. Therefore, you have two choices. Wallow in misery and cry in a corner because you're stressed out, or get off your ass and push forward anyway. You don't get to quit playing the game and then complain that you don't have anything. That is the definition of entitlement.

[@rexx2338]

​@@MaskedMassyeah uhh so you didn't listen to anyone and just stayed in your own head. Cool

[@DaBigSkidd]

@@MaskedMasswhen people are already in their lowest of lows and still push, it ends up making things worse. Pushing when your already near the edge is a one way ticket to falling off the edge entirely. Rather than pushing until you lose your sense of self, think about how you can ease into things, If you don’t have a job and smoke weed all day to cope you could try getting a job at your local grocery store. If you don’t like that look for other jobs that might intrest you BUT don’t leave your current job. Even if you hate your current job, having that job and having a place in society helps the mind cope with its sense of purpose

[@sunnydayluxe]

did literally all of those things. weirdly didn't stop the wage disparity or shrinking of the middle class. didn't stop the climate crisis either. funny how that works out. @@MaskedMass

[@CocoHutzpah]

Well said. When I feel like there's nowhere for me to go, I think about my grandfather. By the time he was my age, he had his nose destroyed by shrapnel in France, saw many of his friends die around him, spent far too much time in ditches with corpses than any person should, and had his left leg blown off by a mine in Germany. He then got married, worked as a carpenter, raised a family and lived into his 90s. If he didn't give up through all of that, then I know I can keep moving forward, too.

[@FinarfinNoldorin]

Your grandfather was a hero, Coco. He has a vision for what the world should be like and he fought against tyranny with everything he had. There is no doubt that you will succeed to make changes in the world, because you know and value your "roots'. My ancestors were immigrants that struggled also to leave me with hope of living in peace and abundance. I discovered that abundance comes in many other ways than money, and that standing strong in hard times will lead me on a path where what we fought so hard for will make a difference for those we leave behind. My hope, as well as your grandfathers, is in you. Thre is no doubt in my mind that the world is in good hands. There is somewhere for you to go. You are the creator of your society now. Make those changes in society that your ancestors dreamed of. You can do i t.

[@jm7859]

That's a solid man right there.

[@alimclean560]

I’m going through a pretty bad depression spell right now and reading this has honestly helped. Good for him for pulling through like that. My mind may be in dark places, but if he can overcome all of that, I can keep moving forward. Even when it feels impossible and everything feels bleak.

[@rightcliquegod7653]

@@alimclean560 Not to sound rude or anything as I understand how soul crushing it is, I am not trying to downplay that. But don't you think the fact that you could be so easily influenced by a random romanticized short story is the otherside of the coin of being easily influenced negatively by other things? Is our psyche that weak that we're constantly getting influenced? And the world is so shit how do you think giving in to its influences both good and bad will leave us?

[@jenv.7995]

@@JulianKazmier-vo3fnget some love, sounds like you need it

[@prenimystic]

In my eyes, Gen Z is that generation that grew up with oldies of everything, grew into new things, and continued to make newer things - good or bad alike. Gen Z is a bridge generation and quite frankly, we were not strong enough of a bridge, and we're slowly coming to terms with how all of the previous years in humanity have screwed us over, and that our denial via happy little things, simply isn't strong enough anymore. That's how I view my generation. A group that was brought up to be happy and carefree, a group that tried to continue that no matter how stupid the attempts got, and a group that cannot see themselves keeping it up for much longer

[@musicandmagic909]

The death of escapism needs to happen. It's how the powerful stay in power, by selling us something to numb the constant pain that they cause. Manufacture the problem so you can then sell them the solution.

[@willbass2869]

News flash.....all of us "oldster" didn't secretly meet together on a dark and dreary night deep in the forest to make plans on how to get over on Gen Z. You're too f'n self absorbed. Throw away your phone. Stop looking for that rush.

[@Claritism]

This is a great way to describe Gen Z. You can only take so much shit before you break and Gen Z is close to that. I think there is gonna be some real violence soon. Even more than what we have now.

[@Elizabeth-kittycat]

​@Will Bass That's not the point. Boomers made decisions on what would benefit them personally in the short term and didn't think about how it would affect the future generation. The current generations doesn't think that older gens were conspiring against us, we see it as them only thinking about themselves and past history. The tone deaf responses to our concerns about living wages like "work hard and it'll get you far in your work career" and "go to college to afford a house" simply don't hold up to us like it did to them.

[@lordssundee7047]

@@willbass2869 no, I don't think it means that. I think what they are trying to convey is that the mistake of the previous generation is catching up, and the Gen Z realized that when the shit hits the fan, it will be them who's getting hit. They tried to stop the shit from hitting the fan, but they realize that the power to change things are in the hand of the older generation who ether don't see the problems, or simply don't care because when shit hit the fan, they aren't around to experience the fallout anymore. so the problem isn't the action of the older generation, is their inaction that make us sad.

[@darth2205]

I'm 19, a university student who graduated high school with top grades and am currently maintaining a cumulative GPA of 3.9/4.0. When I was younger, my parents would tell me to study hard all the time as it would help me be "successful" and lead a "good life." Heck, I couldn't find a minimum wage job to work part-time while studying at university here in Canada. I've applied to hundreds of places, walked in with my resume, and tried asking anyone and everyone for help. Yet here I am. What is the point of getting a degree when even landing a $15/hr minimum wage job is impossible in this economy? Not to mention, housing and food prices are at an all-time high and keep rising. Summer's here, and I am still trying to find a full-time job to save money and get a car. What's the point? We are doomed anyway.

[@martijnvdbent6908]

Sorry to hear you are not able to get a decent paying job. But you got a good mind. That is a good thing. It might get worse in the future. Trust God/Jesus. He will provide is you seek Him. He will give you ideas and open doors to provide and a great life. God bless you

[@KaitouKiara422]

“It doesn’t matter if my voice is heard, what matters is that I made an effort to make it heard” This line hits home deeply, thank you

[@ashwhiteforest9078]

I wanted to make art and bring entertainment to people. I did. Now I'm sick and dying. But I did. And my regret isn't that I won't be remembered for it,born didn't make money. My regret is I can't do more. I fucking love life.

[@arcticcircle9178]

But if it doesn't change anything for the better, then what? It'd just have been a waste of time.

[@MagicCookieGaming]

​@@waterlevelroute the world, man, society. GenZ just wants people to listen that we have issues, too and take them seriously because as of now most Millennials are either struggling with us or are succeeding but GenZ has been having trouble even getting started due to the economy and government support combined with the ever plummeting familial wealth of previous generations, too. GenZ just wants what everyone wants when they say they want to be heard - we just want representation and at least one of our issues to be addressed because for the majority of us we can't find a job above minimum wage or $30k, and for the rest they'll be paying debts to colleges. But as of now no one in government has been even listening to our issues and it gets brushed off as us being young and so nothing happens until it gets worse and starts affecting older generations.

[@avachabotroy7399]

This was the first time I saw something from someone in Gen Z on the internet being anything but hopeless. Thanks, you made me cry. You are making a good impact.

[@daishaw9133]

It’s time to feel human again

[@QTPI614]

I hate doomers.

[@avachabotroy7399]

​@@QTPI614 im just going to add my perspective, as someone who is myself part of Gen Z and can be very pessimistic about my future, I hate not the doomers but more the world that made them feel so doomed. Even if the hopelessness is only confirmed by peer review, the concerns still can come from a very real place.

[@StarlightNkyra]

Like, who else just feels like grouping up and starting a new society?

[@shane1948]

How to do that though? Everyone wants everyone else to lead but nobody does it.

[@melissatranfield4054]

I'm down!

[@youhateyoutube]

been doing that my whole life, but the "main" society keeps being the enemy

[@shrunkensimon]

Watch out for democracy in the skies.

[@chip9589]

I can be the G Washington here guys I got this/us just don’t let me die via three letter agency

[@dangdudedan8756]

you've convinced me, ill use my voice to convince people to give up.

[@justinjennings9840]

lol.

[@DiscordSuxPP]

You already gave up bruh

[@HitsuuVR]

I'm only 19 and realised how unfair life is. Life on itself is something beautiful, you have only one chance, you can make endless memories and moments and do so much as a human. Who, on earth, has decided that it was a good idea to let the lives of every single one of us in the complete control of a greedy society? At this point, you don't even live anymore, you just survive.

[@beingsshepherd]

_Life is what happens when you are busy making other plans._

[@DisemboweII]

And we don't even fight for that survival, we just wait... and earn currency... and wait again

[@stevenbodum3405]

welcome to realism, now handle it..... from an gen x

[@beingsshepherd]

German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860): 'If two men who were friends in their youth meet again when they are old, after being separated for a lifetime, the chief feeling they will have at the sight of each other will be one of complete disappointment at life as a whole; because their thoughts will be carried back to that earlier time when life seemed so fair as it lay spread out before them in the rosy light of dawn, promised so much-and then performed so little. This feeling will so completely predominate over every other that they will not even consider it necessary to give it words; but on either side it will be silently assumed, and form the groundwork of all they have to talk about.'

[@moto3463]

@@stevenbodum3405 you got given your money you probably never worked hard like most us youth

[@kaegee2579]

Honestly, I get it. I'll be turning 21 soon and one of the lessons I learned somewhat recently is that if I care too much about things, I'm gonna be overwhelmed by everything, from societal issues to more personal issues. I've always been a rather optimistic person but I've found myself settling on being realistically optimistic instead. Of course, with that comes an acknowledgement that although change and improvement is possible, it's also possible that many things that should change...won't. Or they won't change any time soon. So giving up is understandable. In some ways, it's easier not to care. Or at least, it's perceived that way even though it doesn't actually change the situation at hand very much. But that's just not in me. So instead of giving up, I decided to instead dedicate time to each of the things I care about and to be patient with myself. When I'm pissed, I write. When I'm down, I write. Or listen to music. Or do something that just lets me sit with my emotions and manage them in some way. That way, I can avoid falling into pessimism. And as someone almost constantly battling loneliness and emptiness and still working their way through anxiety problems, I definitely don't need that on my plate. So while the term "gave up" doesn't quite apply to me, I will say that are some things I either won't tolerate or I'm learning to not tolerate. There are many things that I question about me, about society, and about life. Do I really have what it takes to pursue my dreams if I hardly have any motivation on some days? Is the relief that I feel around people even worth it when I can't stand their bullshit? And why is it that although I strongly believe in the idea of being yourself, I often lack the confidence to do so? Despite these things though, I still let my passions drive me, because I'm convinced that giving up will do nothing for me and I'll be worse off in the end if I do. And I think some people would be happy if I gave up. If WE gave up. Giving in to them and to negativity just isn't worth it imo. But just as I'm learning and finding my own way to live, so must everyone else.

[@KingBeardJude]

Understand that even though the world and our society treats you like a number, like a grain of sand. You are always uniquely yourself. You are capable of anything and more. I get that's hard to believe, and it's hard to say I believe in that for myself. It's true. The experiences you have in this life and what you choose to do is all you have. Continue pursuing the passions you have in this life no matter what. At the very least, don't give up on yourself. Know you're worth till the day you die

[@LermaBean]

You're doing way better than I am, I've become pessimistic before I even graduated from high school. I absolutely hate everything because nobody helped me then and sure as well can't help me now. I honestly just want to be buried.

[@frankgriffin6293]

The left will not ignore you. The left will come find you and make your life worse. Fearful of a man coming into the women's restroom? Now all you have to do is say the magic words tranny and a man can now waltz on into the girls room with your daughters. If you use the wrong wacko pronoun some places want to put you in prison. The left forcing people to partake in sick fantasies continues to get worse each year. The world is screwed. The left will force a vax on your too and lie about it usefulness and side effects.

[@chartreuse.o..3]

​@@LermaBeanmen you should be ashamed to have written this... Life is precious and if you don't help you by getting rid of these feelings, nobody will do it for you It always starts with developing self confidence, mastering your ego, using properly your rage... You have to turn your pessimism and hate in something better for you and your close people, and if you don't have them, let's find some. Cheers from France men, peace on you 🤙

[@kaegee2579]

@@LermaBean Although there is a lot of it, there's more to life than negativity. Find moments throughout the day where you can focus on what you do enjoy and let that be your reason for living. Do not be ashamed about how you feel; gather the courage to change that, even it's only bit by bit and day by day. I know very well what's like to want people around to help you out, but you can only truly depend on yourself, as you are ultimately the only one in control of you.

[@unknownGoblin]

As a history teacher, we're repeating the cycle again, we are slowly getting towards the great depression again

[@happycakes1946]

Can we get through this without another world war? It seems like there will be a massive population decline and fall in the standard of living for most countries in the near future...

[@josem588]

And considering that it lasted until 1941 (but economic boom not started until 1945 right after world war 2) the economy will improve for like 2035 or 2036

[@GhostRangerr]

@@josem588 Let's hope that corporations & the current banking system collapse with it. These 2 desperately need to go

[@The_king567]

Lmao god you’re a terrible history teacher if you think that it’s won’t happen

[@The_king567]

@@josem588the economy is the best it’s been and it won’t go down