General Motors Caught Red-Handed: Texas Sues for Billions Over Decade-Long Data Theft

[@Dr650rob]

Where's the part were they lower your insurance for a high score

[@rossmanngroup]

Lolololol

[@brolfe69]

@@rossmanngroup trolololol

[@Fatty420]

Its in the same place where they allow you to use the same communications equipment used to send your data to insurance companies instead of charging you a monthly fee for access to one of those onboard emergency call systems.

[@ayanned]

The chart can only go up mah boi.

[@TheQuickSilver101]

Hahaha, good one!

[@AtomSquirrel]

When a scammer asks you for your data, it’s phishing. When a company asks for it, it’s for your safety

[@erikv2540]

I will quote this. Thanks stranger

[@GeneralChangFromDanang]

The company doesn't even ask.

And the government says it's for "officer safety".

[@simonspacek3670]

You have to fix a typo there "When a scammer presses you for your data, it is phishing. When a company sells your personal data that they took without telling you, it's a security feature."

[@0devast8r0]

same as police "it's your safety, we go after everything you have, including your rights and imprison you."

[@HelmutDoork]

One of the flags was "late night driving". You mean people like cops, nurses, and many others who work night shifts?

[@tux_the_astronaut]

IKR they are literally getting penalized for going to work. I guess they should just stop so GM can see how long it takes for critical infrastructure and services to go down when ppl are pushing for working at night

[@rossmanngroup]

Scumbags, all of them

[@PascalGienger]

@@tux_the_astronaut In general they penalize you already with a hefty plus on your premium when you tick the check "I use the car to commute to work.". So first the US creates a system where 98% of all are required to drive with the car because there is no alternative and then insurance companies penalize you for just doing that.

[@CaptainKremmen]

As a single data item, that one makes no sense at all. The highest risk time in most places is peak commuting time, as there are extra cars and they are in a hurry.

[@NGAllAmericanBadass]

That's what was real damning. I guess according to GM the people you mentioned and 2nd shift workers can go screw themselves.

[@Jirodyne]

Not only should General Motors get caught, the Insurance companies should ALSO be punished for buying and using this Data. Sue the Insurance Company for Violating your privacy illegally, and make it illegal for them to use your Data.

[@warrenpuckett4203]

Oh I have been aware of that. It is called Onstar. They know how many times I change the oil and how often. I change it 2 x times as often as recommend. Why? Because I know my wife does not drive like a GM automobile tester. I also do not. In fact very few drivers do. Why else would two dealers keep telling me it is time to trade in your 2016. Is 70,000 miles a hint? It has been known to phone home before 2017. Report the time and place your go faster was on a drag strip. Then completely void the vehicle warranty. Including all of the non drive train parts.

[@rezcellent]

You should be a comedian!

[@papascronch]

Don't forget, It's also illegal to not have insurance on the car even when the insurance companies are surreptitiously harvesting your data to harvest as much money as possible from you. It's the most roundabout/sophisticated form of mafia behavior We have seen so far.

[@goldenhate6649]

@@warrenpuckett4203 They want you to trade in early for the double purchase. After 70k/100k, many manufacturer warranties drop off. Meaning, the dealership gets to sell your 2016 at a premium while the warranty is still active. Aka, they give you a bottom basement trade in, and give you a piece of shit 2024 with data harvesting that won't last more than 100k miles, all while making a huge profit and not having to pay fees to the manufacturer for lot space. The only two companies with a once of trust I still have in them is Toyota and Honda.

[@welcometoreality6347]

I totally agree with this comment they should be using that money to give us good drivers with no accidents no tickets no claims a huge discount on our insurance instead they would rather play billions of dollars to another Corporation just to get dirt on us so they can raise our rates or cancel our insurance so tired of all this evil and Corruption over some worthless f****** paper money that's being used to play This Global Monopoly game

[@willfullyinformed]

Toyota is doing it too. They have very similar warning messages and data collection policies on their insane app and website and won't let you deactivate all of it without calling. You literally have to have an APP to use all of your vehicles features. I had to call when I got my 2023 Tacoma and go through an hour on the phone to de-consent to all data collection services. They punish you for doing it, they disable your remote start feature because "you need to allow data collection services in order to use" - this is completely false, it's actually just a Bluetooth module. They turn off your Bluetooth module which has nothing to do your phone app or your vehicle services - it's out of spite for exercising your privacy rights. We need some massive class actions and we have to change these privacy laws in the entire country.

[@rustymustard7798]

Coming soon: This in real time so insurance companies can cancel your policy for 'unsafe driving' milliseconds before you crash if they detect an imminent accident and bring the timestamps to court.

[@onpoint2292]

🤣. Insurance companies would become the new, toxic, blue-collar bosses." If you fall off that ladder, you're fired before you hit the ground 🤠"

[@KoopaMedia64]

Shhh, don't give them any ideas!!

[@rustymustard7798]

@@KoopaMedia64 They've thought of it already lol they just need more of your data livestreamed to them to make it work.

[@P3RV-3]

they already do with crap like OBD readers installed for discounts, and using 3rd party apps like upside.

[@LP_86239]

@@onpoint2292 “now get up the ladder and stop whining” meanwhile, uneven and slippery floor, only 1 point of contact on the wall, and a shorter leg

[@VRGamingTherapy]

Good on TX, although a native Texan myself, the money should go back into the pockets of the customers who have been illegally taken advantage of.

[@ArdentMoogle]

Plus interest, like Louis has said. If the most they have to pay is what they profited, it's actually a net gain for them due to inflation.

[@DavidLeon140m3]

DPS wants their cut

[@MonkeyJedi99]

The house gets paid first, kids.

[@ASDasdSDsadASD-nc7lf]

Didn't happen. You decide whether you are willing to pay the rate they ask. Don't like the rate don't buy it. It makes zero difference how they come up with the rate. You decide.

[@KJ-xt3yu]

​@@ASDasdSDsadASD-nc7lf so if you dont like that a insurance companys rates a high because they collected data without you knowing, just go to another insurance company? okay.... what makes you think they dont share insurance data with other insurance companies?

[@makylemur7019]

I have read the pleadings filed by the Texas Attorney General's office and found that the most important form of relief was omitted: The removal of all the spyware installed in the vehicles at General Motors expense. I have sent a email to the Texas Attorney General with this suggestion.

[@tompower7576]

Of course it was. Give us the false hope of a solution, yet it has no teeth, so will be ineffective...

[@kawkasaurous]

If youre Texan (im not) you should organize a bunch of other Texans to call/write in at the same time. For W/e reason that's got a real shot of working and it only takes like 15 people

[@ASDasdSDsadASD-nc7lf]

No you didn't. You sent it to the sub-sub office he has never heard of.

[@blackrifle6736]

*Racist much?*

[@aaronj08ar]

Projection.

[@Ghost_of_Matair]

you forgot one thing Louis. GM also double dips. in order for these features to function, an active paid subscription is required. they hide that one by including an exclusive one owner "free trial" period of usually three months, then charge anywhere from fifteen to sixty dollars per month for the "privilege" of giving them your data to sell.

[@dead-claudia]

except the data gets collected anyways. and gm's lost in court from a class action already bc of this iirc.

[@consciouscode8150]

So "if you're not paying for a product, you're the product" - but when you pay for the product, they still spy on you? Doesn't that mean not paying for things is objectively better?

[@SvengelskaBlondie]

At some point, yes.

[@Juiceboxmakes]

Windows. Started this. You pay for windows and its at this point Spyware that happens to have an operating system inside of it

[@shieldgenerator7]

ig thats why hes always advocating for pirating stuff

[@Slugbunny]

Funny how having my data taken and sold never seems to render any monetary benefit to me as the customer. And here quite the opposite!

[@knightsonofjack]

But bro when they screw you over for money.. it like gives them more money to make a gooder car or something don't worry about it

[@rossmanngroup]

Even here, the fine will go to Texas, not the people whose data got sold. They will get paid back for whatever additional rates they paid an insurance over the years, but they don't get paid for the fact that the company sold their data to begin with.

[@IAmTheBugInsideYou]

​@@rossmanngroup I know you hate Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick, so it's pretty sad this isn't something they seem interested in fixing for consumers instead of Texas the state, exclusively. Sorry we're talking about Ken Paxton this time, he can have his one victory, still crap otherwise

[@OGJeff685]

@@rossmanngroup That was my first thought. How do WE sue chevy for this bs?

[@kopazwashere]

@@OGJeff685 class action lawsuit assuming you didn't sign an arbitration gargle my balls garbage if you did sign then dig through internet and find cases of arbitration agreements being canceled by judges

[@kaseyboles30]

If selling this was illegal, then the insurance companies who bought it should have to pay back those they increased rates on at a minimum 125%+interest. And they should be fined for their contribution to criminal activities.

[@martijn8231]

Just like healing (buying stolen goods) what at itself is punishable.

[@dead-claudia]

if selling it is illegal, the insurers who bought it could be forced to purge it, as they didn't legally acquire the data.

[@bikkiikun]

The proper terms are Embezzlement, Trading Stolen Goods, Criminal Fraud, Wire Fraud, Conspiracy, Racketeering... And with the number of individual cases, the managers and executives involved should be facing a couple of hundred years in prison.

[@M33f3r]

Since they will never see handcuffs let alone being behind bars. It’s far past time they find out what it feels like to have your home address well known.

[@cheddar2648]

Personal liability for those higher ups who implemented this crime should be examined.

[@hybridPeople358]

That will never happen because they owned our politicians.

[@shanish82]

I bought a GMC truck a few years ago and after finishing the paperwork I had the salesman hounding me to set up my onstar ect. I've never seen a salesman be so attentive after a sale! I knew something was fishy. I told him I had to go and I'll be back the next day. He texted and called me for 2 weeks.

[@deltasyn7434]

They probably get kickbacks for setting up Onstar.

[@johncox9868]

We need a Federal law that says you cannot sell your customers data. Period. Not even if they give consent.

[@torikazuki8701]

That would be a start. What would be better is if people had the Right of Ownership of their OWN DATA and COULD sell if they CHOSE to.

[@mikoldeon]

This is a fuckery of the highest degree. And then they wonder, why people prefer old cars, to the point of retrofitting them with new tech themselves sometimes.

[@DarkForce2024]

That's half the fun of buying an old car. Can't even rip out the head unit on a new car because 1/3 of the car's computer is part of the "radio".

[@cirelesten]

That's the plan. If they don't want to make things like the el comino then I'll just mod it to a real cybertruck

[@MidlifeRenaissanceMan]

Everything I’ve seen in new cars puts me off wanting me to own one. Things like traction control. You need to take evasive action that involves losing traction to get out of the way of an 18 wheeler barrelling down on you, and you put your foot down and _the computer says no_ The controls on modern cars are mere a suggestion, not a command. Drive by wire is the worst idea since putting batteries that can deflagrate at any time and take out an entire parking lots worth of other people’s vehicles

[@awolr]

Retrofitting an older model is actually one of my goals, incentivized more and more by all the dystopian tech being added to POS techbro vehicles

[@oneandy2]

@@scrittle Touchscreens absolutely suck for controls. I like the big bright screen as a backup camera. But for actually controlling anything? Utter garbage.

[@CutoutClips]

This is why I drive a 15 year old car. Also because I am cheap...

[@rustymustard7798]

I ride a 30 year old dirt bike.

[@thefairybug40]

Cash for Clunkers has made that significantly harder, which I'd imagine was the point of it.

[@Dommifax]

this - I drive the car my father bought when I was born to have enough space for the new addition to the family and everything just works - and if it doesn't and I can't fix it myself I go to my local car mechanic who, if I'm lucky, will repair it for 50-100 bucks (or a few hundred if I'm not)

[@DiscordC]

Late night driving? That makes 0 sense, so pepple who HAVE to lste night drive too and from work, hone from a party or night market sre now concidered unsafe driving? Try telling thsg to Taxi drivers GM!

[@HardPourCorn]

I drove a 2003 Pontiac Grand AM for almost 10 years. I paid $2600 for it 10 years ago, and drove it all up until last September when the brakes went on it. I know I'll never get a car like that again.

[@circletech7745]

The first thing I did when I got my 2022 Toyota Prius was call Toyota and tell them to disable all Toyota connected services. When I press the “SOS” button on my car it no longer works. Note this is different from simply going to the Toyota website and opting out of data collection. I had to find a random number on the Toyota 4Runner forum (which I couldn’t find anywhere else) and call them to do this. The second thing I did was open my cars fuse box and pull the fuse for the wireless modem. My next move will be pulling open the dash and physically disconnecting the wireless modem. I posted all of this on Reddit awhile back and people thought I was an insane tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy theorist. But when shit like this happens, I absolutely have a right to be skeptical.

[@NerdyBirdy16]

You got tutorials on this stuff somewhere

[@GhostC10]

I need to go into my car and do this

[@teedot]

I need to do this to my new Honda... Doesn't let you disable data collection through the infotainment unit, just displays some cryptic error message that makes no sense.

[@fukluk88]

The thing about all the " people" commenting about you being a conspiracy freak is that there is a fair to Midland chance that those weren't people at all but, bots set up by the car manufacturer to sway the opinion of actual people and throw them of the scent of truth.

[@GeorgeVCohea]

You are lucky that they hadn't yet figured out that they must tie that same fuse to the fuel pump or something else entirely essential. What were they thinking‽

[@justthinkingthoughts]

Sooooo, Bad people could go to those brokers, get my driving profile, find out where I usually drive around and where I usually park? And then lay in the bushes to ambush me ... Why does this sound so familliar

[@CyberSERT]

The stuff is so depressing. But the fact that so many people are hearing about it and caring about it (at least a little at this stage, but more and more) is very encouraging. You are a hero in my book, Louis. Stay safe & healthy.

[@theclamhammer4447]

When “I have nothing to hide” shows its true consequences.

[@MarjaMariachi]

A really gross example of this: Late 1990s, Vons Supermarket in California used a customer's purchase history (loyalty card) against him, so he'd drop a lawsuit after being injured in one of their stores. He went to the media instead, because WTF?

[@Moon_Presence]

In my opinion having nothing to hide is great! BUT just because I have nothing to hide, DOESN'T mean that I should let the government snoop on my PERSONAL data 🙂

[@vgstb]

See also Mozilla’s latest edition of *Privacy Not Included reveals how 25 major car brands collect and share deeply personal data, including sexual activity, facial expressions, and genetic and health information.

[@michalsvihla1403]

I had no idea insurance companies and data brokers were part of the government.

[@williwonti]

​@@michalsvihla1403Thye don't call them Government Motors for nothing

[@joeldh7567]

Everytime I look at my 1994 truck, I grin in smug satisfaction. No computer, no tracking, no bullshit

[@NightshiftCustom]

1988 for me! love it

[@absurdengineering]

It has a computer all right unless it’s a mechanical diesel with no ABS and no airbags. Even my 1993 Volvo did have several computers: one for ABS, one for ignition, one for fuel management, and one for SRS (airbags). Computers are just machines. Not evil. The fucked up part is how corporate policies managed to lay the blame on machines, all the while it’s their profit-driven engineering that makes computers such a shitty experience for car users and car service people.

[@kstricl]

It has a computer. But the basic design of it goes back to the 70's (if a GM truck.) My 95 Chevy has just enough computer to fire a couple injectors and turn a few solenoids on and off, and that is it; no tracking for me (except by google with my cell phone.)

[@BallstinkBaron]

97 corolla. Living in the golden age baby

[@LegendStormcrow]

One day I'll have my 86' Ranger back.

[@TheTundraTerror]

Reminder that the entire industry only exists because they're able to deny you the service you pay for and that is legally required.

[@MrSeedi76]

I've been saying for years, the biggest crooks in the world are banks and insurance companies.

[@RSAgility]

Getting real tired of being forced into insurance payments, and then something actually happens that needs to be insured, and they drag their feet, or deny they need to get fixing & giving at all...even after you have given them hundreds of thousands in payments over the years.... This model wont last long... ...which is why I say "everything is a bubble" as in They(insurance) are likely collecting as much as they possibly can, before the burst, collapse, the riots, the recession, by then, they'll have already run off with all of the money, somewhere far away from consequences, like under the desks of certain politicians..

[@Synthonym]

It's an institutionalised scam

[@The_Slavstralian]

We need prison sentences for the executive group for crap like this ( and f**king harsh as f*ck ones ). We also need them to be banned from being on a board or executive at all for life if convicted. And we need there to be no way for them to pass the buck down the chain. Actions of the subordinates will be assumed the directive came from above.

[@nietcykablyat9998]

Homeless people are onto something.

[@Antwon22]

So if my mom is dying of a heart attack, and i take the highway going 81 at 11 pm and accelerate/decelerate faster than I would have otherwise, my insurance rate skyrockets? Awesome

[@poolhalljunkie9]

I'm completely against it myself but I can't help but find the idea of driving like a rocket then your insurance rate will reflect that humorous.

[@michalsvihla1403]

And don't ever think of taking your car to a racetrack at any point in time.

[@rata536]

Well you mother should had thought twice before having a heart attack, now give us OUR money!!!

[@johncarlaw8633]

Insurance: According to our records you do a lot of "night driving". User: Yeah I work night-shift. Insurance : So you do in fact drive at night, that will be a $200 increase in premium. User: but why? there is less traffic. Insurance: Oh, thank you for bringing this to our attention, I guess we missed that. You frequently drive at higher than average speed, that will be $400.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Brake for a moose in the road, that's unsafe stopping.

[@oshkiv4684]

Remember how they said we were crazy to think that they would stoop this low

[@butwhytharum]

Never underestimate someone's ability to stoop to new lows.

[@itrytobeanonymoustoo5289]

When something is criticized as a "conspiracy" it is usually a truth that the powers that be want kept hidden from the public.

[@torikazuki8701]

@@itrytobeanonymoustoo5289 THIS. We now know the CIA were the ones who created the term 'Conspiracy Theory' specifically to shut up all the discussion that was happening concerning JFK's 'Offing'. Man, I hope the Agent who made that up got a few cookies, because it worked like GANGBUSTERS. I have actually seen people so brain-damaged by the idea that they have a hard time believing conspiracies of ANY kind exist!

[@MarjaMariachi]

Give a company an inch, and they'll fuck you over for a mile. And if it's GM, that mile will double your insurance rates.

[@devonboulden2496]

Automakers didn't use my driving record to hike prices. They used the data to raise rates because they wanted to raise rates anyway. Had they not had my data they would have raised fates anyway. Period. They used driving statistics to make insurance for everyone.

[@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity]

Golly gee, I sure wish the government that is supposed to serve the public would hold corporations accountable in a substantial way... It's too bad that they won't because they profit from all of this. Personal profit over societal well-being is the name of the game.

[@branchesofYAH]

Louis I don't do much with Apple/Mac, but I love that you use you YT celebrity to expose corruption, and fight for all our right to repair. You sir are making a real difference. Thank You

[@rossmanngroup]

I hope so!

[@m.m.4609]

​@rossmanngroup Please never stop Louis. I'm spamming my girlfriend with talks about you and what you do, she didnt know you first, now she's interested in our cause.

[@taroven]

The fact that 2.6 million driving records is valued at $70 million is hilarious. Just shy of $27 to GM to get "proof" that someone is a bad driver and inflict irreparable harm on their insurance premiums forever.

[@EssensOrAccidens]

Needs more zeroes.

[@KizaruB]

Most car companies are scraping the bottom of thr barrel for extra money at this point because the automobile industry is a saturated, mature market.

[@Times_Ticking]

Insurance company actuaries crave large data sets.

[@bossssssist]

What do you expect from GM…. another bad business deal 😂. They could’ve gotten way more for that. Insurance companies laughing all the way to the bank with that one. Not only can they apply that data to that specific individual but the can extrapolate it out to those who are similar as well

[@thisishandlenumber2048]

​@@bossssssist Not all of the data is going to be relevant to the insurance companies though because the majority of people from that data set are probably not signed up to that specific insurance company. The insurance company also has to parse the data and figure out how many people in it are actually their customers and by how much they can raise their rates (if at all) which depending on the insurance company is probably going to be no more than 15% but likely closer to 5-10%. So I think the low price per person is factoring the fact that the vast majority of the data is going to be useless to individual insurance companies and that they still need to pour more resources into parsing and utilizing the data they bought. I still think that's low for stealing my data because to me keeping my privacy is priceless but a megacorp who has no ethics is going to value privacy differently so this might not be as terrible of a deal for GM as we might initially think.

[@dragonfalcon8474]

Glad the 2008 bail-out money was put to good use! F GM.

[@bradpalmer1751]

Wonder how many Congresscritters own GM stock.

[@torikazuki8701]

If the US was going to revolt, it should have been then. Actually, there have been many, MANY examples that should have raised the ire of the populace to a 'Get the Rope' level over the decades. That's doubtless why our system has worked so hard on getting people to de-facto 'worship' the system.

[@2_L8]

This is pretty informative. I just found your channel recently and I appreciate the content from the two vids I've watched so far.

[@God__Emperor_]

Why is only Texas suing? People write your governors and demand they join in.

[@ThunderClawShocktrix]

texas being the best state as nomral

[@shekharmoona544]

Vote no on executive compensation for these companies. The CEO's allowed this.

[@sirllamaiii9708]

Hate to say it bud but the institutional investors that control 60% of the company will always vote yes This is literally the "just vote harder" meme but even more hopeless

[@rbae]

They just announced today another round of layoffs in the thousands for the workers...while CEO has one of the highest comp rates ❤

[@jessicav2031]

All they care about is the share price. Unless the share price is crashing, it will continue.

[@MsUltrafox]

The CEO's Ordered this because more data is more money is a stiffer CEO pecker.

[@canibezeroun1988]

We gotta stop assuming CEOs control companies. It's the board that control everything and they obey the investors (including retirement funds) to give higher returns

[@vladivostok47]

I’m a flight paramedic. Try explaining to them why you can go from a stop on the highway to 120+mph and aren’t racing. Their GPS data on my phone app wouldn’t distinguish between ground level travel and flying in an aircraft. They tried canceling my policy for being reckless especially at night 😂

[@GeneralChangFromDanang]

Insurance Co: "Yeah, we see you were doing 140 mph through a patch of woods, farmers' fields and multiple skyscrapers..."

[@trentvlak]

You bought a GM airplane? you loaded your car onto your plane?

[@chatboss000]

​@@trentvlakthey said it was a phone app, presumably from their insurance company.

[@southpark1you0]

they wanna cancel what you are already paying for, but worry that you might some day use it? in the state im in, car insurance is impulsive. this is so messed.

[@trentvlak]

@@chatboss000 oh yeah, I see that now. I am dumb.

[@rbae]

The worst part of this is that GM today announced another round of layoffs in the thousands, while their CEO continues down this mismanagement path with no responsibility to bear. It's always the bottom line....

[@dakawans83]

Well I supposed they could fail and we could bail them out again. Then Congress can pass laws requiring them to go electric for tax dollars, while still making crap cars.

[@nicwelch]

The unions killed GM. Just so we are all clear. They cut their own throat with wanting exorbitant wages and Cadillac healthcare plans.

[@GeorgeVCohea]

The economy is bad, and GM could go bankrupt and not be deemed _too big to fail._ One can only hope!

[@rbae]

@@GeorgeVCohea they would make the case that they employ all the GMC, Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick, and more employees that they're currently laying off ;)

[@kate2create738]

@@rbaeDid they really have that much employees here in the first place? Last I checked, didn’t they take a good portion of manufacturing to another country? Likely one of the many car automakers that was practically pushed to keep some of the manufacturing in the States. At this point I see them as traitors.

[@musclesmouse]

I am disconnecting the car from the internet I choose dangerous freedom over safety

[@goldenhate6649]

I'd be the one to find the wire to said antenna and cut it. Can't get access to what you can't connect to.

[@joeculver6227]

I agree. Big companies have made a bad habit of forcing customers to sign unreasonably long consent forms before they will let you use their products, and it’s getting out of hand. They need to be taught a lesson.

[@Mr_Roboto]

The only reason congress and the senate wouldn't do anything about this is because they're getting kickbacks from insurers and motor vehicle manufacturers. They protect their own interests, not their constituents'.

[@imafiretruck7454]

why do you think GM was one of the companies included in the gov't bailout?

[@ffwast]

Plus the backdoor for them to access your vehicle computer.

[@LeglessTurtle]

OMG! Someone is finally talking about this! In 2015, with progressive, I agreed to their driving monitoring program. It would beep in my car every time I braked too hard. This, in turn caused me brake as slowly as possible causing me to get very close to the cars in front of me. This shit caused me to learn unsafe driving practices at a young age that still persist to this day. I removed it after a month or two because I found it impossible to meet their standards in a safe way, at the time. I have since moved insurance providers.

[@briancline0]

That sucks to hear they impacted your driving so early on - I hope you've been able to unlearn the more dangerous stuff. I tried the same device from Progressive around 2016. If anyone's thinking about doing it, don't. It's 100% bullshit, no rate deduction, stresses you out, and is just dangerous. Nowadays it will be way more bullshit and your data is put up for sale without any benefit to you. I finished the 30 days for curiosity sake, but hated it and worried how those would mess with people's driving. When you're sort of close to a signal that just turned yellow and *want* to stop for the red, even a slightly firm brake triggered it. No middle ground whatsoever - same as hurling a bowling ball onto the brake. They don't care that you made a good judgment call since you saw no one is behind you, or the wacko in front of you is about to hit something, or that you were avoiding a sudden pedestrian, animal, whatever. They also don't care the city's civil engineers got creative and timed the 50mph zone yellow signal to last only one second and you had to brake firmly or run a red. (Or worse like one near me: 1 second yellow + 0.5 second red before the other direction goes green - on a busy 45mph 6-lane arterial bordering a huge high school.) The "safe driving" programs are a scam. They train people to run red lights, run errands near peak traffic hours, and deliberately react too slowly/incorrectly to problems on the road.

[@TheFallenAngel13524]

My brother in law had it and kept it. He drove everywhere under the speed limit. If he couldn’t make a gentle stop for a turn he’d drive past it. If he thought a light was close to turning yellow he’d slow way down through a green light. It’s absolutely terrible to ride anywhere with him.

[@teedot]

My insurance company keeps asking me to install their app on my phone for "extra benefits and discounts for good driving". Every single time I call to make a policy change, like storing a summer car for the winter, they literally berate me for not installing it because of the "benefits I could receive"... Nice try, I'm not dumb enough to fall for that. The fact that they keep pushing it as hard as they do tells me all I need to know.

[@Terran.Marine.2]

Like the "vaccines"?

[@demodiums7216]

​@@Terran.Marine.2no....

[@rumblehat4357]

Phone apps are not even reliable to determine driving, I had my phone tell me I did a “hard braking” when I slowed down at a green light to make a right turn. I was shocked how poor the application’s tracking actually was.

[@Terran.Marine.2]

@@teedot I meant the propaganda surrounding the "vaccines".

[@DudeSoWin]

Imagine those electric cars being always on because no exhaust output, and their satellite signal being spotty because of your garage. All the insurance sees is you doing doughnuts in your drive way at 2 am next to a school zone.

[@hayden6489]

I’ve driven less than a thousand miles this past year and I have an impeccable driving record since 2012, and yet somehow the insurance rate on my ever-depreciating vehicle went up $800/year. Clown world strikes again!

[@rumblehat4357]

Same thing happened to me! Raised my rates by $60 a month for no reason.

[@MrBeetsGaming]

Unless they start having to pay every dime back to consumers why would they ever stop? The billions they'll pay are just going to be a fraction of the extra they made.

[@NecroViolator]

They can do all this crap BUT NOT stop thieves from stealing their cars !.

[@VoraciousPhantasma]

I agree with necro violator

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

There's no money in that.

[@darthvader6533]

If they steal it you have to get a new one lol

[@PumpkinKingXXIII]

And that is why my GM telemetric module is sitting in a box in my storage room

[@AutoRevLife]

It's probably going to stay there forever 😂

[@jdlucas78]

Glad to hear your vehicle doesn't refuse to start when it can't call the mothership!

[@ronaldckrausejr7762]

But also noting… Almost every single GM vehicle made in the last thirteen years… Will not operate (as in needs towed back to dealership only) without the modules that are both - under the front passenger seat and also behind the center dash

[@jfarre20]

I ripped the TCU out of my leaf, and replaced it with OVMS. its great. I hope ovms supports more vehicles going forward.

[@gustavofigueiredo1798]

Interesting. Please, tell us more!

[@MasterVertex]

Hiked insurance premiums for 'driver behaviour' is the first thing I bring up when someone asks why 'perfectly legitimate companies' can't have your private data.

[@b-chri]

But what can the normal people like us do to push back against all of this?

[@slavaukrainisfs8238]

Sue the insurance companies too for using unauthorized info to hike the premiums and get a permanent injunction and full refunds of raised premiums caused by this

[@1337GameDev]

Good luck..... :/

[@michalsvihla1403]

Sure, if you can afford a lawyer and have funding for years in court. Same energy as "just buy a house"

[@kawkasaurous]

​@michalsvihla1403 considering the amounts, go to small claims, represent yourself use this filing as evidence, use your year over year increases as your adjustments. You'll probably win by default as your insirance company can't send a lawyer so they'll have some pre made argument that hopefully wouldn't fly. In CA anything less then 10 or 15 k I think is good to go. Takes about 6 hours of your time to file everything and most major companies have a po box address for small claims supeanous Ask me how I know.

[@ASDasdSDsadASD-nc7lf]

Can't, that is not what happened. Meaningless. You decide whether you are willing to pay the rate they ask. Don't like the rate don't buy it. It makes zero difference how they come up with the rate. You decide.

[@Mugetsu_Gaming]

Not when every state forces you to have insurance if you want to drive​@@ASDasdSDsadASD-nc7lf

[@rossmanngroup]

I kindly request that our sponsor for today's video at 24:14 be excluded from sponsorblock. Please & thank you! I hope you have a lovely rest of your day.

[@DoubleDoubleWithOnions]

12th

[@kopazwashere]

Nope unless its mr. clinton Take it or leave it

[@Numb_]

Do they have a mechanism to know when viewers skip sponsor segments? Does it affect CPV?

[@emenesu]

Someone already marked it as promo. It doesn't auto-skip (for me at least) so I get to watch some nice fish going round doing fish stuff!

[@darklightneonnightlord8540]

Just whitelist the channel.

[@Moe_Posting_Chad]

"speeds over 80 mph" next line "AND speeds under 80 mph" This makes me angry in a way that can only be expressed with vi*lence.

[@Fushishou]

Are you really censoring violence? What the fuck? Next it's spe*d because it's also a drug name? Get real.

[@AlexandraNevermind]

Thank you Louis! I appreciate the work you do. I always share your videos to help grow your channel. People need to be informed.

[@ThomasChristie-t9f]

Good to see someone else sees a problem with these “unsafe” driver metrics. I live near DC where you have to drive actively to be safe. There is no calm traffic lane where you can chill; you’ll get run over or even cause an accident if you drive that way here. And night driving is part of the job.

[@TheQuickSilver101]

"late night driving" is bad driving? Seriously? Screw you GM

[@ElderGamerX]

I work overnights and have a half hour commute. My drive late night involves me being around significantly fewer cars, and I mostly have the road to myself. My morning commute home has resulted in several incidents where I was almost hit by another driver because anyone who's not a resident of the town has no idea how to use a roundabout. The idea that my night commute is the most dangerous drive is not only wrong, but the idea of charging me more for it despite a clean driving record should be illegal.

[@DatBikerDude]

Didn't GM slow down a person's vehicle remotely so police could catch em? There's more to it than just collecting data.

[@boobah5643]

They sold that capability as making it easier to catch someone who had stolen your car. They literally got people to pay them extra, in the early versions, to let them do that.

[@KidCorporate]

Just until they do it because you said mean things about a politician.

[@Screamingmanta]

That's dystopian as hell.

[@marilynbartlett1850]

@@KidCorporatewonder how long it will be before they start recording in-vehicle conversations and using algorithms to catch certain words/terms/expressions, like, saying negative things about certain politicians, or about not wearing or not wearing face coverings, and turning that data over to some three letter agency who will then penalize you for your "wrongspeak" in some way.

[@thezfunk]

​@@marilynbartlett1850Like they can already do with your phone?

[@baconman2366]

i appreciate you not caring what letter is in front of they're name's, all that has mattered is quality of morals and honesty of character

[@goldenhate6649]

I don't care if someone is D, I, L or R. But since I have been able to vote (2016), I haven't seen a single person who has a D in front of their name being worth a flying rats ass in my state.

[@Google_Is_Evil]

Since this is obviously a criminal conspiracy, going on for many years, the C level executives and board of GM should be prosecuted for RICA. Not only that, but any damages this does to GM should be resulting in GM shareholders starting civil cases demanding the board and C levels pay back the losses on their shareholder value.

[@2Pyroz]

I still daily a 26 year old car. Can't collect my data if the car barely speaks to itself 😂

[@theodorgiosan2570]

I daily a 45 year old car with a carburetor and distributor. 1979 Subaru DL Wagon. It doesn't even talk to itself. It doesn't know what is going on with anything to the point where I have gauges for everything because if any hose breaks or something similar you wouldn't know about it until it's too late. I love it. I can carry every tool to fix pretty much anything on the car right in a tool bag in the trunk. My friend drives a 1982 Oldsmobile Toronado diesel. The engine is entirely mechanical. Being a diesel it has an injection pump that acts as a hydraulic/mechanical computer for the amount of fuel injected. Even if the alternator died it could still run for days as the only thing the engine needs to run is a small solenoid in the pump that turns the fuel on and off.

[@NightshiftCustom]

1988 pickup for me!

[@Cybersawz]

Daily drive my 2003 Tundra; before all this insanity started!

[@Mr_Bones.]

1997 Bimmer checking in! Manual transmission, single din basic Bluetooth receiver, and the factory radio antenna even fell off. I understand why despite putting 110,000 miles on my clapped out Z3, the market price has doubled

[@MrSeedi76]

20 year old Renault Scenic. 250,000 km on the clock. Came with a cassette player 😂. We'll drive that thing till it can no longer be fixed and then get another old car. I'll try to avoid the spyware as long as possible. I hope I'll make it till I'm old enough to only use public transport anyway.

[@seanclark8452]

My car's 'accident alert' feature is WRONG at least 95% of the time. (someone cutting me off the others usually) The speed limit shown is often wrong as well. Where is the ability to contest this automated system getting it constantly wrong, then reporting me as a bad driver?

[@FantomMisfit]

That's the neat part...there isn't. You're supposed to just lay down and get screwed

[@chatboss000]

Dashcams, I guess. Have to collect contextual evidence beyond your car's sensors. Edit: but there is no easy way to contest an automated system.

[@immikeurnot]

You can disconnect the telematics antenna in your car. Should be able to search up info for your make and model. If not, a good independent mechanic can do it for you. If you have One of those stupid services that let you push a button and talk to a service through your car, it won't work. But that's just you paying a monthly fee to get spied on.

[@oni-one574]

I bought a new GMC recently. First thing I did was refuse to pay for any extras and refuse to drive off the lot with the "Dealer Installed Vehicle Recovery Device" installed (they comped the cost, but I wanted it off). Second thing I did was go into the system settings and turn off all of the data share permissions, then go into all of the apps/system apps and turn off all of the data share permissions. Sad thing is, they will probably track things anyway. I would bet a lot of people don't go into the individual apps and check the data share settings. There are so many places you gotta check this now.

[@youtubasoarus]

You got it, they will likely call your bluff knowing you likely won't sue or that they do as these other manufacturers do and slip in a non-arbitration clause for the spying. It's disgusting.

[@oni-one574]

@@youtubasoarus They are definitely right on me not suing. No time or money for that lol. I did get on GM's website and submit multiple copies of Do not sell, do not automate request forms, as well as request information as to what information they keep on me or have sold. I can't stand any of this crap corporations pull. It's hard enough trying to protect what little data I can while my friends are like, "ThEy HaVe iT aNyWaY?!" That's not the point! Take it away from them. lol.

[@youtubasoarus]

@@oni-one574 100% Give 'em hell. I'd say don't give it to them in the first place. I'm steering well clear of companies like this.

[@barnabyjones5161]

You didn't do any of those things, Grover.

[@matilija]

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” -Benjamen Franklin

[@briancreegan827]

You want the govenment involved or to resolve this data theft ??? WHO DO YOU THINK DIRECTED GM, FORD, ECT. TO STEAL & COMPILE THIS DATA ?!? This data is collected by the automakers per NHSTA regulation.

[@nortonman5238]

Doordash does this same thing. They collect your vehicle analytics and send them to insurance companies and gives you 0 way to opt out. Worse yet is they pretend that they collect this data to help you improve your driving habits. Its bullshit.

[@kevinerbs2778]

Why did you think your car can't be x years old. Its because they cannot get the data then.

[@nortonman5238]

​@@kevinerbs2778 No they don't track it via your car. They track it via their app on your phone. They track fast acceleration and hard braking and they say it's to help you drive safer. Meanwhile they take that info and sell it straight to State farm and Allstate.

[@camtwan1]

Yep, and I received multiple notifications for "Hard breaking" when my car would hit a bump in the road. Or because my phone is on a magnetic mount, if just the phone fell when I tried to grab it or bumped it in some way.

[@HelmutDoork]

That's awful. Gig work pay is already low, the last thing those guys need is a hike in insurance.

[@nortonman5238]

@@HelmutDoork you're telling me, a full time gig worker of 6 years now. It's getting a point where you're just spending money to "make" money. I'm lucky to have a solid base of regulars bc without them I'd be toast

[@samueljardine3402]

We need a law preventing regulators from working in the industry they were regulating. Guarantee that the people fining companies $0 for their violations are going to be working at those companies soon.

[@seanclark8452]

Given it's the folks benefiting who'd have to make their own corruption illegal, I'm not holding my breath.

[@samueljardine3402]

@@seanclark8452 Lawmakers and regulatory agencies are separate entities.

[@sirmonkey1985]

you'd have to fire 90% of the people working for the FTC, FCC, FDA, and any other bs alphabet agency you can think of. that being said there are actually good people in the agencies. the problem is the president should have zero say in leadership placement and should instead by controlled by the house and congress.

[@blackrifle6736]

*Congress is not about to jeopardise their staffer's "private sector", revolving door career opportunities for a few lousy, outraged constituents. DC doesn't work that way.*

[@3nertia]

That's not how capitalism works! rofl

[@MidlifeRenaissanceMan]

Retroactively Amended Purchase Experience

[@chiffry830]

They do this at Toyota too. The salesman that sold me my GR Corolla told me if they don't do the onboarding process they will be FIRED. They've even been instructed to "assist" and do the prompts for you. I was on my way off the lot and he RAN to my car to tell me I NEEDED to do the onboarding. Checked the Toyota app and similar telemetry data permissions auto-enrolled.

[@dead-claudia]

that not only sounds illegal on the dealership part but also on toyota's part

[@MusicWisp]

GR Corolla been having car fires. Did you do the track day? Bc going over 80 will void your warranty. I’ve been following some people and so far we haven’t found the cause of the random GR rolla car fire. Stay safe and maybe get a fire extinguisher

[@drashna]

0.02% of yearly revenue isn't just a cost of doing business, it's not even a cost. It's not even a slap on the wrist, but rather an endorsement to do it, by the gov't....

[@peppybocan]

We live in the age where the electronics actively spies on you and your lifestyle. F that. I am building a time machine and going back to 1920s.

[@99guspuppet8]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ 1969 for me

[@DarkForce2024]

Just make sure you don't build one into a Delorean, because going 88mph will get you dinged for going above 80mph!

[@peppybocan]

@@DarkForce2024 I prefer New York in 1920s, good music, lively streets, the dresses and suits, the men were men, more of a Noir thing...

[@M_B_80]

That exists already ... but companies lock it,`s speed so you can not reach 88 mph with it.

[@fukluk88]

Every thing you say and do is recorded and stored on a server and will, at some point in the not to distant future, be used against you. They have been planning the Hostile takeover of the world for a very long time. Technology is the last piece of the puzzle they needed for completion of their evil designs. They aren't disseminating the info. AI algorithms will do that. If you've done nothing unlawful for the past 20 years, AI will just Deep fake the evidence to lock you away. I don't know why they want complete control but they do. Hell they already run and control everything. I think normal folk just disgust them like greasy rats covered in sores and pustules crawling out from a dead, maggot covered dogs ass.

[@blufireice]

Speed limits in Texas go up to 85MPH, you could be 100% under the speed limit and get dinged for this.

[@steve2256]

Everyone should contact their state's attorney general and urge them to sue GM. I just did

[@hithmedia]

i worked at a GM dealership in southwestern missouri, the “commission” thing is very misleading even to us. we are described it as “if your customer completes the ownership process, you receive $100 on any NEW GM vehicle sold from GM directly.” we’d then get it 2 months later. I had no idea this is WHY we get the $100 other than we were “congratulated” to sell a new car. nope, it’s because the manufacturer wants your data sadly. Louis, thank you for informing me on this.

[@JP-xq7fo]

If these companies want to do this with OUR DATA than we need to get PAID!

[@colindoyle9876]

Data is NEVER deleted

[@Terran.Marine.2]

I'm more than a little afraid of that, how much both people and A.I. simply make shit up.

[@youtubasoarus]

That and just wait until they start cross referencing it with other data brokers to piece together your entire life.

[@absurdengineering]

Yep. And we all pay for the data centers that are there to house this crap.

[@steveanderson9290]

I installed the Progressive app on my cell so that they could monitor my driving habits allegedly in return for lower rates. After using for a time I noticed a few baloney "hard braking" detections, but the one that really blew my mind was that when I streamed music or radio stations over my phone (and then bluetooth to the stereo) it dinged me for "phone usage" while driving, another metric that presumably counts against your score. I'm going to leave this right here. The viewers of this channel will understand the utter stupidity of that without me typing another word. Where do they get the people who design this stuff? Where do they find the managers who think this is a good idea? What is happening to my world?

[@absurdengineering]

The people who implement it are told what to do. The people who come up with the ideas make money off of it. It’s not broken by accident or negligence. It is broken by design, fully intentionally, and with every eye on siphoning money out of your pocket.

[@21stcenturyjacktheripper]

Even if you are a passenger in someone else's car and use your phone you get screwed by your insurance company for phone usage and heavy braking and acceleration. I don't drive anymore but I am still insured and got hit with increases for other people's driving. It's ridiculous.

[@M33f3r]

Might makes right is the ONLY law. If they feared the public more than their greed and corruption things will change

[@minigunner1218]

These “safe driving” apps that insurance companies provide aren’t there to help lower your costs; they’re there to raise rates for people who drive even remotely poorly, and even perfect driving behavior will not reduce rates.

[@rockyroad7345]

Never enter your phone number into your vehicle. Don't even plug it in to charge it.

[@gtbarsi1103]

My VW sales rep called me after the sale to get me enrolled in their app that would provide remote start from the app. I set an appointment and pulled a no show on his ass. Why because he flat out told me on the phone that their app wouldn't do this crap and that was a flat out lie. Why did he lie because he was being paid to get me to sign up.

[@ryanbeyer9078]

they aren't denying you access to certain things that you need for your business because of safety, they are doing it so you can't figure out how they are breaking the law

[@kstricl]

As of when I wrote this comment, Steve Lehto had a live stream where Disney withdrew their defense and are no longer trying to force arbitration. Sometimes consumer outrage works.

[@torikazuki8701]

Add to that, Bud Light, Target, Harley Davidson... the only reason people think it DOESN'T work is because for decades people have been saying- 'It doesn't work, so why bother?'

[@chefahi1299]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin, ‘nuff said

[@GetOffMyyLawn]

I purchased a Subaru in April and opened a case to opt out of selling of my data in June... still waiting to hear back. We need one simple law passed... All sale, sharing or collection of data needs to be opt-in only and opting out if you somehow opted in needs to be a simple process.

[@taino1642]

Why should they care, you already bought the car. Vote with your wallet.

[@DurszlakzPonocy]

Define "simple process". Or they will surely bend what that means to unimaginable extents.

[@toms7114]

Technically the 4th amendment requires a warrant with probable cause for the "papers" of a person. This does not apply to just the government. "Papers" refers to legal documents and information, meaning, in this case, data on driving habits falls under information, which would qualify as papers.

[@MrKlarthums]

@@taino1642 How can you vote with your wallet when corporations hide or misrepresent the information necessary to become an informed consumer?

[@itrytobeanonymoustoo5289]

@@toms7114 Data collection should be illegal in all cases under the 4th amendment.

[@murphybrown666]

Can anyone find any aspect of this country that's not 100% corrupt?

[@firstlegoleague8]

maybe the janitor lol

[@EssensOrAccidens]

No. We ate the forbidden fruit and ever since, that's the situation everywhere.

[@imafiretruck7454]

St. Louis Zoo. Admission's still free for it; no sign up required.

[@M33f3r]

We live under an enemy occupation force so of course things are ficked.

[@TheEvilAdministrator]

Not a chance. IF there was, the amount of money that would be thrown at "correcting" that "issue" immediately would be huge. Any pockets of freedom from corruption are quickly extinguished, as rapidly as the oligarchs can manage. It "helps" that they've got everyone's data, so they don't *just* have to use bribes - they can (and do) also use blackmail. If you think they aren't using comparable technology to listen in on what public officials are saying in private conversations via things like microphones in their cars and their phones, you might want to think again. This is just the beginnings of corporate tyranny - most have no idea how bad it can get. Look at the history of the West Virginia Coal Wars; I expect the transnational megacorporation-owned/controlled world we're headed for will be at least as totalitarian and abusive as that, literally using slave labour, treating workers as if they are corporate property, stripping people of ALL their rights and freedoms via horrific contracts, and so on. It's been done before, and it likely will be again, except this time with 24/7 monitoring either via phonelike devices you are forced to carry, by some analogue of ankle monitors, or perhaps even (since it looks like *certain people* are investing a lot of money in the technology to enable this totalitarian evil) by brain implants that also use AI to coarsely/roughly get an idea of what you're thinking/feeling.

[@rabbitblitzsgames6865]

the way insurance is set up now in the US is a complete scam.

[@torikazuki8701]

It was a scam when the Government pressured its implementation in the 1930's. Back in '96, I took a course in Insurance Law to get licensed. I was so disgusted by what I learned, I never bothered with it.

[@rabbitblitzsgames6865]

@@torikazuki8701 yeesh its pretty crazy. and the stuff that they weasel out of because of technicalities is insane. i hope you're doing well comparatively.

[@torikazuki8701]

@@rabbitblitzsgames6865 Actually no, but that's not germane to the topic. Thanks for the well-wishes in any event. While taking the course I ended up having one of those- 'Time to put your money where your mouth is' Experiences & THAT made the 'wasted' course more than worth it.

[@jellyrcw12]

I'm so glad you champion right to repair and consumer rights. Things are getting ridiculous now and we need stronger regulation in our favor!!

[@Charly_Dont_Surf]

I dropped my car insurance company after 30 years because their app said I was unsafe/hard breaking on the highway. It occurred during a freaking south Florida down pour and the breaks were wet causing the grabbing and releasing at ~30-40 mph on 65 mph highway.

[@BewareTheEngineer]

All of the insurance company telematics exist to make the company money. It's virtually impossible to save anything with any of them. Instead of rewarding you for avoiding an accident, they punish you for short stops, ect...

[@Unknown-pc9yq]

Why would you install that garbage on your phone in the first place?

[@imafiretruck7454]

@@BewareTheEngineer what's worse is getting them to actually honor their coverage. "Ooooh, yeah, you see, it says here you drove 512mi in a single week. That puts you outside the limits of the low mileage driver discount that's deducted from your policy's monthly premium. "I'm so sorry but we unfortunately will not be able to cover your claim. Now just close your eyes and open your mouth, this will be over soon." - Flo, Progressive Spokesperson

[@RoySATX]

As a Texan I support this lawsuit wholeheartedly. When people are harmed by a company, either directly as the result of actions knowingly taken by the company or indirectly as the result of neglegence or indifference on the part of the company, it is the right of the people to expect to be made whole again or to be compensated in a manner consistent with that which would make them whole again, plus any additional compensation from or actions by the company deemed appropriate to ensure these harms will not occur to others in the future. For that to work, for there to be any assurance that the company will comply with the intent to not harm again, the penalty must be large enough that any non-compliance would be so unprofitable it would threaten the survival of the business. In other words, hurt and get hurt.

[@ZEPRATGERNODT]

Is there anyone in the comments section that has a connection to a lawyer who would be able to surmise if registering yourself as a corporation or LLC (for the purposes of becoming an entity that is a data source) therefore if anyone wants to monetize off of your existence, they would have to pay you since - YOU ARE THE SOURCE AND GENERATOR OF DATA.

[@imafiretruck7454]

You are a corporation but unfortunately, they have your corporate signature. I don't believe that approach will work.

[@andrewvirtue5048]

Late night driving is being a bad driver? Fuck all night owls and 3rd shift workers then.

[@mikeloeven]

We really need a federal statute that prohibits auto insurance companies from dropping coverage just like in the healthcare industry. Auto insurance is mandated by the government ergo insurance companies must be regulated with the same care as health insurance

[@sakaraist]

and that is why you only allow apps permissions while being used, or don't use apps that are requesting unneccesary permisions.

[@bluephreakr]

"[B]ad […] factors, [such as] late-night driving" ?? Excuse me, *_what?_* Oh, sorry, I guess America *shuts down* between the hours of 21 and 6! General Motors you sweet summer child…

[@kevins.3573]

If you ever take a motorcycle riding safety course. They tell you that you shouldn't ride Fri-Sat after 9pm. Statistically, people are under the influence and are a risk to you.

[@bluephreakr]

​@@kevins.3573 That's great to know, and you're right, but should this penalise employed people who wake up for their first shift between the days of Friday and Sunday?

[@sheerbeauty]

That's insane. Where I live, there will still be traffic reports on the radio at 2am.

[@R3_dacted0]

Why is "late night driving" a negative? Driving at night is far safer. There is no one else on the road.

[@dead-claudia]

really depends on the area tbh many small cities are basically dead, and well-lit enough you almost don't need lights. some large cities are perpetually so busy, it's equally busy and dangerous any time of the day. in many rural areas, driving at night is so dangerous (thanks to deer mostly), everyone avoids it.

[@MatterMadeMoot]

@dead-claudia Ask me how I know you've never lived in a rural area. As long as you use your eyeballs and don't go 60 around tight corners it's much rarer to hit a deer than you think. Far from "so dangerous everyone avoids it."

[@jsauerii]

I am pretty damn sure GOOGLE is selling your driving data to your insurance companies. Thats the ONLY entity that could possibly know how i drive in my older vehicle that could be causing my insurance to skyrocket the last 3 years with no tickets, accidents or otherwise. In spite of very few trips over 3 miles those last 3 years.

[@kevinerbs2778]

Time to leave the cell phone at home

[@DarkForce2024]

While I do not doubt that is true, my insurance has also gone up significantly in the past 3 years no tickets or accidents, I don't take my phone with me when I go out because if I'm out, I don't want bothered. My car is a 1993.

[@shortyorc121]

​@@DarkForce2024everyones have. Alot of "new" drivers out there with no insurance.

[@Twangaming]

@@shortyorc121that’s not why lol it’s well documented price gouging.

[@kevinerbs2778]

@@DarkForce2024 then cameras are now trackinv you and you plate numbrr car, make model, color.

[@TheBigbum1974]

Gotta say, I appreciate that Lewis has one goal. I may not always agree with his proposed solutions, but his drive to hold companies accountable is something I will always appreciate.

[@blackrifle6736]

*Ah Louis, thank you for giving me one more good reason why my last piece of new GM tin was in 1999. Cheers!*

[@davemiller4512]

I understand about your kitty problems. When I was hard-core raiding in World of Warcraft., my cat figured out how to shut my computer off. So I changed the power options so when the power button was pressed, it would do nothing. The cat then figured out how to shut off the surge protector. One night during a raid my computer suddenly shut off I looked down, and my cat was looking back at me with a very innocent look with her paw on the power switch of the surge protector.

[@codegocomau]

Damn straight. I don't want my can opener deciding it will just play a game for a few hours rather than doing what I need it to do. :D

[@Terran.Marine.2]

Smart cat.

[@sirmonkey1985]

yup my cat figured that shit out too. power button is disabled and piece of black tape covers all the lights on my UPS, lol.

[@railworksamerica]

Put a cover over it with a padlock

[@youdontknowme5969]

😼 "If I do this, Hoomin will give me attention."

[@rschellie]

The problem is that they Intergrated the hardware into the vehicles in a way that prevents the owner from removing it without disabling the vehicle. I asked a car dealership prior to purchasing a 2015 Silverado to completely remove OnStar and they said they couldn't.

[@parker73724]

I still don't understand why our government makes it more profitable to commit crimes and take the penalty rather than just doing the right thing in the first place.

[@NightshiftCustom]

shit like this should stop all there sales till its done in court then maybe they would think

[@FantomMisfit]

You dont understand??? Really??? Cmon I know some part of you knows you just don't wanna think it. It's understandable It was hard for me to accept when I was younger but they don't care about us. It's all about money. Most things govts and corporations do usually boils down to that

[@3nertia]

Because capitalism ...

[@m.m.4609]

you really don't understand what corruption is and how it works, it seems. that is the problem. that is OUR problem. people getting cozy wiyh corruption around the world with the "oh well" attitude

[@josephpurdy8390]

@@3nertia Banking and insurance didn't originate from free market captalism. They are linked together and go back over 3000 years.

[@RichardTurlington]

@Louis Rossman Just wanted to say because of you I have finally free'd my family of Google Photos. Set immich up yesterday and it's amazing. So amazing I just bought the $100 server license. Glad to support you! You think EXACTLY like me (a normal consumer mindset in my opinion). My kids & I watch you together. Best wishes to you!!

[@thinkingbubba32]

Not unlike ALL Politicians, the automakers are doing what is called Projecting. They throw their illegal actions out as uncommitted acts by their own customers.