General Purpose is not "Do-it-all"

[@basher2209]

Brass Facts is my general purpose KZbin channel.

[@iPervy]

for gun stuff

[@vegas0012121]

Well done.

[@texasranger24]

20" super heavy barrel, suppressor, bipod, laser, light, 3-24x scope, 12 o'clock piggyback red dot, 35° canted red dot, 100 round drum mag and a bayonet for cqb. Got it, thanks.

[@wishuhadmyname]

Don't forget the 2.3 lbs single-stage trigger and the cupholders

[@andrewsiscoe2712]

Seems like more of a recce rifle to be honest

[@zanemccune8759]

No buis?

[@youngmonkey2504]

@@zanemccune8759 that dude is a fool for only having 2 backups, thank you for reminding him

[@dmitrykarkov4747]

lol I actually run a heavy barrel on my 14.5

[@warux8674]

Reminds me about the one video Hop made back then "So you ruined your AR". Love these kinds of topics that go into ergonomics and all that stuff that no tacticool youtuber really goes into.

[@BrassFacts]

great video.

[@flopus7]

I used that video as a blueprint to build my general purpose. He was right, it is utterly ruined.

[@mguerrrero]

Im gonna comment my opinion before watching the video

[@BrassFacts]

based

[@ExtremelyAverageMan]

I'm gonna watch my comment before videoing my opinion

[@bwillems1000]

@@ExtremelyAverageMan Super based

[@scottnelson3214]

I laughed when he finally admitted he wasn’t left handed

[@Samos900]

@@ExtremelyAverageManI’m gonna video my watch while commenting my opinions

[@hangnwithdosei3266]

Trying to make ANY rifle into a "Do it All" rifle is one of the largest pitfalls to ruining your rifle that you can do.

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

This is why the military picked up the Sig XM7. Truly a do it all rifle.

[@breakingcomedytv]

@@boygonewhoopdataZZyou’re right. It’s just unfortunate that still wasn’t a good decision due to the weight of the ammo.

[@andycraig6905]

​@@breakingcomedytv we ran right back into our issues with the m14

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

I wouldn't say ruin, just spend a lot of money and get little to nothing for it. I mean the rifle wtill functions and is still as capable of being a rifle as it was coming out of the factory.

[@ZOROASTED]

That's a quote form the video?

[@Modern_Muskets]

Well, I guess I'll just start calling it the "General do-it-all rifle for purposes specific to my current larping needs".

[@JimYeats]

Or as Nutn’ would say, Gdiarfpstmcln.

[@Modern_Muskets]

@@JimYeats 🤣🤣🤣

[@makevelicustoms]

@@JimYeatslol 😂

[@Na-if5ze]

How much do you dhoot? How often? How many rounds do you fire in a given month?

[@wishuhadmyname]

@@Na-if5ze Back when I played the trumbome, I would dhoot almost daily

[@MrKakemann1]

Having cleared houses with a .308 "battlerifle" and gone on recce missions with a sub gun, the GPR is a all-rounder IF you train with it and UNDERSTAND its limitations. And as a European (god i hate that word) not currently at war, you are not crazy for wanting the ability to defend your home(no limit on how you personally define that). Whether the threat is foreign, or domestic 😉

[@Hoplopfheil]

This video makes me wish LPVOs were good

[@bigslice4738]

LPVOs are ded again time to sell

[@iCookCrystalMeth]

yesssss give me your PLx for $300

[@xxxlonewolf49]

Good enough, nothing is ever "perfect"

[@Furiouspenguin27]

*clutches PLxC tightly*

[@Billy4theWin11]

@@Furiouspenguin27VERY tightly

[@bass779]

Quick customer experience with Modern Warriors: they listen to customers and are rational people. They refused to send a flash hider to California due to the confusion caused by stupid laws, but when I sent them the actual code and explained how a legal rifle could be configured with a flash suppressor, they changed policy and shipped it.

[@BrassFacts]

awesome to hear.

[@Matt-xc6sp]

Modern Warrior:🗿 PSA: 🙈🙉🙊

[@jessefreitas44]

Still gay that they would self enforce laws that don't affect them

[@highdesertdrew1844]

@@jessefreitas44 Nobody wants to deal with stupid california bullshit, especially californians.

[@wolfgang_h3t]

​@@jessefreitas44 Californian laws *do* affect them if they ship it there

[@theazuzhaters9988]

Recce has to be one of the most overused terms in the industry

[@BrassFacts]

thankfully we switched to GPR, the second most overused term.

[@NM-235]

@@BrassFactsat least GPR is less cringy.

[@sethhlewis]

​@@NM-235recce rifles weren't cringe. That's what SEALs called them. That or "sniper M4". We wouldn't have mk12s without recces

[@joesashiify]

I​@@BrassFacts I like SPR better.

[@NM-235]

@@sethhlewis no the name was cringe, unless you’re a seal then you can call it whatever and be cool as balls. Outside of replicas calling anything kinda like the cool guys use the same thing is a silly way to try and milk the professionals credibility. I was issue an Hk 416 at work and it didn’t make me like a seal, you know what I was issued an m16a4 the m4 when in the military but few want to mimic regular grunts. My personal rifle is a regular ar carbine with a 1-6 but isn’t patterned after any cool guy gear it was chosen cause it was good enough for where I live.

[@iansanchez331]

My do-it-all rifle is my M16A4 clone yessir

[@Bryan-uw1ny]

Ballistics wise, it's the giga Chad AR.

[@lastmanstanding-xp3ub]

I love mine, i got a FN upper that was on sale (no BCG or Charging Handle, obviously, but it was priced well enough it didn't matter so i put an Aero Nitride Bolt carrier & extended handle in it when they had a sale for those also) and an Aero fixed stock lower and changed the FCG to Geisselle SSA-E i think(?). Along with a BCM carry handle & a Knights VFG & MOE pistol grip. It F*CKS lol, im so glad I went that route instead of an FN Collectors Edition or something.

[@mangofett927]

Remember the old pick 10 system in Call of Duty Black Ops 2? I tend to view gear choices using the same philosophy. Disclaimer: dumb-dumb civilian here, I have neither been there nor done that. Back to the pick 10 idea, I view everything through a weight/capability budget. I can blow my entire budget on slapping every accessory under the sun onto my rifle to turn it into what is, on paper at least, the ultimate weapon platform. But now I have to lug it and a sustainment load over a mountain and very quickly realize my 20 pound CQB/Sniper AR with 4-20× scope, offset red dot sight, a thermal clip on, a bipod, and a grenade launcher is more of a liability than an asset if I'm too tired to fight after carrying it. I think it's much wiser to distribute my budget through my whole kit and have a more simplistic rifle setup while having other capabilities.

[@thomaseric8662]

I carry a high point carbine and MAWL. I'll use scavenger for everything else

[@BrassFacts]

unironically it's not a terrible analogy.

[@Karza_357]

I do the same with my ak when i go to the range. I choose between optic mount and a suppressor, adding both would make the gun quite heavy. The gun feels very different in both configurations, the variety is great.

[@Jeffplsgo]

This is a very good idea

[@concertinacultist9971]

When the Call of Duty player is unironically more reasonable about his kit than most actual ex-operators.

[@Jan3214578954]

Hey Brass Facts, I remember a while back you mentioned about doing an LPVO Buyer’s Guide video; any update on that?

[@BrassFacts]

literally just finished about 2hrs ago.

[@kite2036]

​@@BrassFacts upload it mustache man

[@noobmaster258]

​@@BrassFactshell yeah brother, looking forward to that

[@carpenoctem5421]

@@BrassFactsbeen racking my brain and going crazy for two weeks on optics thanks to your videos. Finally ordered one last night and NOW you’re gonna have a buyers guide video? You’re killin’ me smalls 😂

[@acem82]

"There are no solutions, only trade offs." Thomas Sowell

[@JOExSPARTIAN]

Yes that's me... I went all onboard the 2.5-10 train, and realized I just needed a better quality LPVO system. Been pretty happy with the plxc for size and weight reasons

[@BumpHeadRacing]

Came for Nova footage, acquired perspective and knowledge along the way. 10/10

[@chadkhl1690]

I'm European and some of us need to consider a single do-it-all rifle simply because the red tape makes piling up ten Anderson rifles a bit harder over here

[@BrassFacts]

make 1 GPR. and just understand the limitations.

[@adam80s.]

Me, as a Pole keep one HK MR223 (civilian 416) 16” and all € my heart wants to spend on second rifle, my concious mind spends on ammo…

[@n.speezly1467]

@@adam80s.Poland is based

[@tackytrooper]

I hope you aren't British, I'm starting to think their general gun confiscation is coming sooner rather than later.

[@69deputy]

Anderson 🤮 only for the poors 👎

[@beowulf9878]

A GP rifle is like the 5.56 round. It may not get an A in any category, but it can get B’s and C’s in most. On the other hand, there are some calibers and some setups that let you get an A in one or two categories, but D’s and F’s in the rest of the categories.

[@HugeCockAndBalls]

It's an S for finding ammo lmao

[@beowulf9878]

@@HugeCockAndBalls I was going off of a school’s grading scale where top is A. Because whoever decided to put S at the top was dropped too many times as a child.

[@sumblakdude9]

​@@beowulf9878 S is meant to be near perfect. Basically there is a difference between a 90-91 and a 99-100. S rank means exemplary/excellent. Think of it as a higher rank A

[@Nylonscheme]

⁠@@sumblakdude9like A+ but lamer. 😅

[@Mushu33]

Exactly. A jack-of-all-trades can beat anyone at anything except their own game.

[@InfinitumDiver]

16 inch barrel, mid-length gas, prism w/ RDS, A2 birdcage, light, sling. As shrimple as that.

[@patb7723]

Very similar setup to mine and the prism got a swampfox trihawk 3x30 prism optic

[@Na-if5ze]

Same here but with a 1-6 LPVO.

[@tomweaver7723]

This. Except Acog

[@CiviTac]

Your first fighting rifle should be built to take care of your local environments. If you start with that you’re likely to have a decent fit for your rifle and what you need it to do.

[@benthephilosopher]

Another argument as to why 1x is the most important magnification is that the closer the engagement, the more risky it is for your safety, and thus the more you want to have all the advantages you can, including an intuitive and quick aiming solution.

[@AJ_Sparten1337]

General purpose means "can accomplish 70-85% of the situations that you'll possibly encounter" which is what most people seem to forget.

[@BrassFacts]

I view it more as can do %100 of them, but the perfomance drops off heavily as you extend in range as the focus is on the close

[@DomoArigatoRobot0]

Thank you Brass Facts. Makes me want to look at "what am I doing again?", again.

[@herknorth8691]

This is a topic that's worth delving into deeper, IMO. "General purpose" is great... if you know your purpose. Too many people don't and just copy somebody else that posted a photo online without considering whether those people have the same purpose as you do. I fell into that trap myself; the builds that resulted weren't necessarily "bad", but I wound up liking builds that I came up with to solve a certain issue (i.e.: my general purpose) a lot more.

[@BrassFacts]

I did a video on METCC and why it doesn't make sense for civilians. The civilian Purpose, is unknown, changing and vague in nature.

[@Ef554rgcc]

You had me with "I don't know what the hell I'm talking about."

[@MarkAndrewEdwards]

I guess I'm out of the loop on semantics here. I thought 'general purpose rifle' was something light enough to carry, short enough to be used indoors and accurate enough to hit torsos at 500 yards. But then, I still believe the 5.56 ought to come out of a 20" barrel, so I guess I'm an Old.

[@novembermike512]

Yeah, I always saw it as taking advantage of the natural characteristics of an AR15. Lightweight, decent at reasonable ranges with reasonable capabilities added (light, sling, possibly LAM and suppressor). The point is that you don't add a bull barrel or optimize the optics for 600 yards. Once you get past GPRs you're trying to optimize the gun rather than bringing out the natural capabilities.

[@frankdamsy9715]

The way I see it: General purpose = built around the scenario you are realistically most likely to find yourself in (realistic) Do-it-all = built around being able to perform well in every possible scenario (unrealistic)

[@michaelnasser8697]

This 👆

[@jeffr5552]

When I built my last 5.56 I wanted a true GPR. Lightweight, moderately compact, accurate enough, enough magnification to increase hit potential at 500 but still works at close range. What I came up with was a 14.5" BCM enhanced lightweight barrel, Geissele trigger, ACOG, Modlite, Steiner OTAL-C, and Deadair Sandman S. It weighs a fairly comfortable 9 lbs, not too ungainly in length, still maneuverable, still has adequate ballistics, still fast at 7 yards while making hits easy at 300 and is supremely reliable. It isn't really optimized for anything, but it does a range of things quite well. As a back test, I recently took it to a two day carbine course where the predominant setup was predictable a mid grade 16" with some kind of unmagnified red dot. I held pace with everyone extremely well at 7 yards and came in with consistently faster hits when we pushed out to 100 yards. I wasn't initially sure how it would do at the closer ranges but it performed excellently.

[@nicholas1740]

After years of shooting in the Rocky mountain west with AR's from 100 to 725 yds, and some in the southeast US, my experience with AR's and the right glass for barrel lengths are as follows. And while some will undoubtedly say, well I've shot my 16" out to 800 yards! Yea...well how many shots did it take for impact? I focus on realistic distances for the stick being used. Red dots or holographics on pistol AR's. 10.5" barrels. It's for home defense, not 300 yards folks. 1-6 LPVO's on 16"er's or less. 500 yrds and in, but really more like 400 at most. 3-18 x 44 power or more for 18"' barrels. These work really well from 300-725 yds.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

Yeah... AR's are clearly intended for relatively short distances. 300 to 400 max. Beyond that I'd go up, ideally a 6.5cm semi or something like that 🤷‍♂️

[@mxer515]

Honestly, just have fun. People overthink all this shit. 16in rifle with a red dot is honestly fine. The odds of people actually using these tools in a combat scenario are quite low, and again something simple and something you’ve put training in with will be better than nothing. Chasing “perfect” setups is never ending

[@BrassFacts]

if you're having fun than go ham. Nothing wrong with that. But some of us like to take it seriously, nothing wrong with that either. This video is for the latter

[@mxer515]

@@BrassFacts oh for sure. I am also the latter as well lol. Just think sometimes it’s easy to get caught up in the weeds on GPR,SPR etc. Hence the video

[@_Art.Vandelay]

Time is a flat circle. We are departing the ACOG/carry handle trends and moving back to LPVOs and RECCE.

[@NormieWeimarican]

You are.

[@iCookCrystalMeth]

i’ll never let go of my carry handle

[@NormieWeimarican]

@@iCookCrystalMeth ❤❤❤

[@R3volutionblu3s]

More cheap acogs for me.

[@timunderbakke8756]

“All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.”

[@SnapD24]

I just call my rifles "rifles," and I do what I want.

[@BrassFacts]

okay

[@gansior4744]

That is way too sensible for Gun Community. You need to buy more Ferro and Spiritus drop merch

[@soma_182]

@@gansior4744 lmao. Forreal tho, these larper tacticool channels are cool and all and I have gathered some good info from them, but a lot of these guys take themselves WAY too seriously. Like bro let’s be honest, if shit actually hits the fan we’re all fucked. Who survives the longest isn’t going to have anything to do with how sick your 5k AR build is, it’s going to come down to who has the most cans of beans stashed away, which news flash isn’t going to last very long. Fun hobby for sure, and there’s nothing wrong with buying expensive shit and larping with it if that’s what you like to do, but some of these folks gotta chill sometimes and not take this shit so seriously.

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

Always remember The M14 was an attempt to make a rifle that "does it all." Let's not do that again. - People really love missing the point to defend their pet rifles.

[@basedWisco715]

R I F L R

[@ST-zm3lm]

We already are with the XM7 🤔

[@blaeshoflen8663]

The military and civilians have different goals/capabilities. Not the same

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

@@basedWisco715 yes, riflr

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

@@blaeshoflen8663 rifle is rifle. A single rifle cannot "do it all" Your wants and needs have no impact on this. A single rifle simply cannot "do it all."

[@1GruntZPOV]

After watching I agree that the rifle to “do it all” is based heavily for your AO and given scenario. Currently my 90% solution rifle is a 14.5 with a Surefire mini2 and an eotech and magnifier. Good do most setup

[@Nunofyadangbisnes]

12:31 Yep, couldn’t agree more. Someone’s ideal setup in the dense woods of Georgia would likely look much different than someone’s ideal setup in the mountains of Idaho.

[@carpenoctem5421]

Exactly! Here in Alabama, I’m rarely going to see more than 150-200m. So I think even 1-4x is about perfect (I also own two 1-6x’s). I just put a P4xi on a scalarworks mount tonight for this exact purpose. If I lived in Montana, or the desert, then a 1-8x would certainly more useful.

[@CharlesMartelsHammer]

And even then, North Idaho is vastly different than southern Idaho.

[@Nunofyadangbisnes]

@@CharlesMartelsHammer True.

[@luciusmirkwood1634]

@@CharlesMartelsHammerexactly, High Dessert vs Rain Forest

[@CharlesMartelsHammer]

@@luciusmirkwood1634 Indeed, north idaho is thick, dense forest with some cuts in between some of the mountain ridges. It's a very dynamic environment, and I use an acog to utilize in that environment because I need something pretty versatile.

[@LaneB16]

Literally just a Colt LE6920 with a TA31F and RAS + your light of choice is all you need lmao

[@Arkancide]

Home/community defense 300 BLK go-to rifle, with the option of switching out the upper with the 5.56 one for longevity(scroungable ammo) and slightly further reach, and the GTFO my farm AR10 in .308 gives me the flexibility I think I need. So close, medium, and longer range stuff is all covered. Optics that match capability and ammo stockpiles too. Though my area isn't a freakin open desert like yours, so the GPR concept doesn't apply quite the same to me. Having two guns with three options is my best bet. If for some crazy reason I had to choose just one and go on the run with it(unlikely), I could take the AR15 in 5.56 or AR10 in .308 and be just fine. But I know that the way I'm setting up isn't for everyone, not everyone has 50+ acres of farmland with 7 ponds to fall back to or utilize, some will want/need to be mobile and unburdened by being static. If things get bad enough that a static position on my farm isn't viable, well... survival may not be the best option.

[@sickvendetta9]

After I recce-mended this video to a guy on Reddit I was virtually harassed within an inch of my virtual life and came back to rewatch - apparently they didn’t care for this video. I honestly don’t give a fuck I love this content.

[@ViktoriousDead]

A 14.5 SOCOM battle with an ELCAN is criminally underrated. It’s too bad ELCAN’s cost more than a house

[@praharin]

Same weight as a house too.

[@ViktoriousDead]

@@praharin they’re not that bad

[@mr.stotruppen8724]

They only weigh a ton for what you get out of it once you inevitably come to the conclusion that the 1x prism doesn't quite do everything you want it to (it's not a red dot and will never behave like one) and inevitably stack a red dot on top to make up the slack. Then you're just left with a heavier ACOG/dot combo from 2012 with stupid Canadian external adjustments and a better reticle.

[@ViktoriousDead]

@@mr.stotruppen8724 I take it you’ve never used one

[@mr.stotruppen8724]

Borrowed a friend's who bought his with police department money. The glass is really nice. The reticle is better than the standard ACOG's IMO. The crosshair model is closer but still not quite as functional. It weighed like 27ish oz with the ACRO he had mounted to the top. I did it deliberately a few times and liked it for what it was, but when actually running drills I never saw a reason to use the prism 1x because I was already so used to swapping to a chin weld with ACOGs. They make a lot of sense for defense contracts because bean counters want to buy one optic rather than two different ones. Zeroing a company's worth of optics on a military range is already a painful and badly executed process and one more optic to shoot with one more offset 25m zero to figure out (and actually disseminate and get people to understand) to account for the obscene HOB would just make it even more painful. But unlike work I don't have to limit myself to what comes out of the arms room. If you're going to stack a dot on it anyway the balance is still in the ACOG's favor. If you're not then an Elcan might be superior if you don't consider the price relative to the highest end LPVOs to be a factor.

[@Roxas13XIII]

Exactly. If you try to accomplish everything, you'll accomplish nothing. Know what your rifle is for and stick to it. Nobody said you only have to have one.

[@a.m.2694]

For being an off the collar take, I thought it was very well constructed and explained. I also agree with you, as I've personally found myself trying to reevaluate GPR vs Do Everything lately. At some point, it just becomes to much and you are forced to start prioritizing, which is good!

[@KingdomKillaz117]

It really is a journey discovering the pros and cons to certain builds. I built out an SPR thinking it was going to be this uber-tier laser of a gun, only to find out that it's really a good gun, but it requires patience to get ready for a shot and takes developed skill to properly operate the optic to ensure consistent accuracy. Contrary to my first ever rifle which has a red dot and is essentially just a plug and play with comparable accuracy, albeit limited magnification and adjustability (and maybe quality of manufacturing). Personally, I think of my SPR build as my general purpose rifle because I live in an open rural area and generally, the magnification a scope provides is very useful for PID. TLDR; My opinion is that general purpose is what you consider best suits your immediate needs and abilities for the environment you spend the most time in. I also haven't finished the video yet so this may be redundant.

[@dark2023-1lovesoni]

Once I got a PTR 91 and mounted an ART scope on it, I started to care a lot less about trying to push my 5.56 or 7.62x39 rifles out past 400 yards. I got a 4x POSP scope and the Colt/Brownells 4x carry handle scope. Both retain zero and are fairly quick/simple to attach or remove, plus they let most of my AKs or ARs easily reach out to 3-400 yards. I would highly recommend all 3 optics mentioned for anyone looking to do a general purpose rifle.

[@d.h.9616]

14.5 middy + 1-6 lpvo is life. Found it when building a fighting righ based on my race rig around 2013 and never looked back. It just works.

[@Em-Jayyy]

I've been watching some of your older videos where you talk about recce/field rifles and I've appreciated your well thought-out ideas on setups. One rifle/build I'd be interested to hear you talk about in detail is the KE Arms CDR. I've had good experiences with KP-15 lowers and I think the monolithic polymer lower helps a lot with mitigating weight while still being reliable. I'd love to get your thoughts on a CRD/KP-15 build, polymer lowers, and pencil barrels.

[@protectpersevere2030]

Acronyms make my tummy hurt

[@BrassFacts]

TLAs baby.

[@Nylonscheme]

That’s called IBS

[@Furiouspenguin27]

Hey Brass Facts, a while ago you mentioned you were going to do a how to twerk guide. Is there any update on that?

[@BrassFacts]

That's a video of my camera man, He has both the assets and the skills to twerk. I can't even floss right.

[@Godscaliber1911]

Asking the important questions.

[@ChemistyStudent]

I'd be curious what your take is on the InRange/Forgotten Weapons WWSD rifle. (unless I've totally missed it)

[@HenrikSherwood]

If PSA drops the Recce Sabre, the overpriced AR will fall and billions must recon.

[@skyhop]

If you can't do it all with a 14.5-16" barrel, a fixed 4 power optic, and an IR laser, then I'd classify that more as a skill issue than a gear issue. Basically how I'm running my aug at the moment, except I have a piggyback RMR on my elcan.

[@rustysausage69]

The back-up irons on top of the elcan are crying at that RMR rn

[@skyhop]

@@rustysausage69 There's no backup irons on the fixed 4x elcan. The RMR is more or less necessary for passive aiming with NV.

[@Devin7Eleven]

This is the route I’m going. 14.5 barrel Aug with suppressor gas plug, CAT WB inconel, TA02 ACOG crosshair, RMR HD piggyback, Corvus M1 rail ACOG direct mount, Arid trigger and safety, ratworks sear, and steyr red trigger springs. I believe for me this will be an amazing GPR setup. Great transportation, balance, and adequate trigger after the upgrades.

[@mitchschutter4302]

I remember back in like 2010 when the “Do it all” was a 16” or shorter .308 (FAL/SOCOM 16) with a 1-4 or red dot magnifier. You don’t see too many of those anymore.

[@BrassFacts]

we've come a long way.

[@unidentifiable100]

16" AR10 with a 1-6 LPVO still ticks all those boxes for me

[@natalyasparrow6748]

A lot of that is weight. Not just the rifle, but the ammo. 20-25g/round for .308 vs 12g for .223/5.56, which means either less ammo on hand or packing on the pounds. Add in that .308 SBRs are supremely loud even suppressed, and it's not surprising why most people left that scene.

[@timewave02012]

FAL? M1A? More like SCAR. And yes, I have an Elcan Specter DR on my 17S. Even over on FALFiles, consensus is the SCAR is better than the FAL for practical use.

[@nurse-dude]

Why do I feel like this a secret pro elcan video.

[@BrassFacts]

everything is secretly pro elcan. I'm slowly convincing the industry that Elcans are actually the best optic ever made.

[@Statusinator]

@@BrassFacts This is the secret to selling off your Specters at a profit.

[@Hoplopfheil]

The universe is pro-elcan

[@d.h.9616]

As soon as they make one with decent eyerelief I'm in.

[@nf1]

My gpr is an 18inch ar with a K can. Its 9.6 pounds, pretty front heavy. Wondering if a 14.5 would make more sense

[@wolfgang_h3t]

Even a 16 would probably help. I switched from a 16 to 13.9 (RC2 for the can), and was quite pleased with how much it helped, I'd even switched to a full quad rail

[@BrianWood777]

I think general purpose isn't meant to over the spectrum of rifle needs. It doesn't cover from 0-100. It probably covers 25-75 on the range of needs

[@therulesaredifferent8280]

Random question: what gloves are you wearing at 3:42 ?

[@Rexolaboy]

16 inch barrel, k can, 1-6 lpvo, lightweight mlok handguard. How hard can this be?

[@wadesafool]

I was not ready for this level of philosophy on a Friday 😂

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

I typically set my MAIN rifle for what is the most likely environment you believe you may have to use it in. And then learn how to use it in other environments. In my area, I predict a lot of close quarters fighting. I have a lot of thick forrest around me. main rifle is a bcm 11.5 mcmr. My optic is a red dot/magnifier combo. Even though I believe that most engagements will be within 100 yards. Im still learning to shoot out to 600 yards with it. Why? Because, despite having mostly dense woods around me, I have a road running by my house that I can see straight down for 600 yards.

[@joeyoung4309]

My GPR is a 20" 556 with an ta31, a light and a sling, its on the light side for a 20" rifle and i really appreciate 556s performance out of a 20" barrel compared to a 16/14.5/13.7. and i like the acog because its just simple and i personally just like how its just 4x, i built this entire rifle to just be simple to grab and go.

[@timewave02012]

What would you favor for home defense? 8" 300 BLK, 110gr TAC-TX, Aimpoint T2, and white light?

[@Joseph_Hamilton]

Would there be any chances of you talking about steel target selection for those of us who are trying to get into the kind of shooting that you do. Primarily what you run, and how you place your targets.

[@BrassFacts]

yeah perhaps.

[@Joseph_Hamilton]

@@BrassFacts it would be much appreciated.

[@highdesertdrew1844]

An interesting basis of discussion would be using the Quantified Performance division definitions. They do define GPR as a gun with a barrel of 16.5" or less, with an optic with a maximum magnification of 8.5x and a minimum of 1.5x. Practical precision is the next step up, requiring a

[@lordhuck2689]

A do it all gun does exist. It’s one lower with three uppers.

[@unidentifiable100]

10.3 + 14.5 + 18 = :)

[@lordhuck2689]

@@unidentifiable100 I would have gone. 7" 300 BLK +14.5 pin and weld 5.56 and 18" 6mm Arc. But yeah, very close.

[@stephenurban9880]

@@lordhuck2689 So you are not only having to carry around 2 extra uppers, you are also now having to tote around combat loads of three different calibers.

[@raetiran463]

Or a bullpup rifle that doesn’t care about having a long barrel. My 20” 308 ends up being about the same length suppressed as a 11.5” suppressed SBR the only single disadvantage is weight, but I’ll take that disadvantage to be able to go from 0y CQ to 1000+y without changing a damn thing

[@kujob6442]

(If you live in the country, this novel here means nothing to you) Yea now you have to lug around another 15 lbs for no real reason. That idea only works if you dont have to be mobile all the time. If you have a homestead in the country with no one around, sure. But the majority of people live in some sort of urban environment where they are not gonna want to stay. Having to carry that extra weight will be detrimental to them if they have to move more than a couple miles. I live in bumfuck nowhere, and I plan on having a couple other uppers with a specific purpose in mind, but thats only because if SHTF were to happen, I would likely not have to move from my area. And to add on, having 3 different uppers in 3 different calibers? Now you have to lug around ammo for each system. I think you might need to sit down for awhile and actually give that idea some thought, and if you still think its a fair idea, go out in the field, and lug it around for awhile.

[@brandonf7181]

I truly appreciate this video. It brings some things into perspective, at least for me. I have not been able to figure out what optic I want for my rifle because I am trying to do too much. I’m a pretty novice shooter, so this video helped me to realize that I need to consider what is more likely to happen rather than every scenario that could happen. Seems simple enough…

[@Samos900]

How do we feel about the 13.9” setup for Californians’ home defense? (Nothing less than 16”) Is it REALLY that much more unwieldy compared to shorter options?

[@MinutemanMedic]

I’d like to hear your opinion on something. I shot a match once, forgot I was still at 6x, and had to shoot at 25y, which really screwed up my shot time. Another guy had his turret still dialed to 500y, and missed wildly high at 25y. This experience was eye opening that LPVOs could be a liability up close, which matters most for SD.

[@Saltpork305]

Showing my age here but I have an old school 16" BCM rifle with a red dot and magnifier and run of the mill Magpul furniture with a light and sling. It's not fancy, it's 'outdated' in a lot of ways but for non nv setups, it's works well and it's just a general purpose gun. I have never felt the need to truly update it. I can do that with other guns but that 16 inch BCM I just always come back to as it's light enough, works well enough and has no bullshit to it.

[@R3volutionblu3s]

As a fellow mid-30s boomer my first 'serious' build ended up being a block 1 M4gery entirely by mistake and it's still my go-to. It's not a build I would suggest to someone starting from scratch today (Except for my beloved TA01NSN of course) but it works. The reality is that provided it's reliable and you train with it, I doubt your choice of build is really going to be what makes the difference between life and death.

[@marine6680]

I have been arguing for years... That sub 100yds should always be a priority for a civilian defensive rifle. Where an RDS is king. For the practical realities of a two way shooting range situation, I peraonally feel that the larger RDS have some useful advantages over the smaller T2 sized options. But use what you like. If you think that medium range engagement is also a possibility that you want to have some improved capability for... Then add some low magnification. 4x is plenty for such needs. An ACOG with good RDS, offset or piggyback, can do a lot, while maintaining light weight. The PA 3x prisms are good budget options, possibly the 5x, but I prefer better eye box. I feel a lightweight but rugged LPVO is also an option, but it needs a secondary RDS, for the advantages that has. For most people I feel a lightweight prism scope and an RDS combo is the best option. Simple, light, and rugged.

[@ZuZaarr]

I feel that the ideal rifle build for most people (basically urban) is a 14.5p&w - 16in rifle with in order, flip up Iron Sights, a sling, 5 loaded spare magazines, a red dot + Magnifier, flashlight, and a short vertical foregrip. Optional accessories are camouflage to fit your neighborhood or just stand out less than all black, a QD bipod, and magazine coupler. I feel this makes the best compromises while prioritizing optimization for your most likely engagements. Don't cheap out on the sling and the glass and you should be fine.

[@hewlett260]

The biggest issue people run into is building a setup without laying out a set of parameters that break down needs vs wants for capabilities. People need to be honest with their personal skill in this and once they figure out the parameters build something that ticks their boxes.

[@bootlegengineer2367]

Sometimes I click on your video and think, I don’t want to hear this guy talk forever. Next thing I know, I’ve listened for 20 min lol. Love your videos

[@orion3253]

Garand Thumb has got to be the elephant graveyard of memes. Having a setup show up in a Garand Thumb video is like an internet meme being featured in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.

[@jameshull5274]

I for one love our little talks. I myself just have purpose built shorter and longer uppers, carry them both and switch them as necessary.

[@johnnyringo8312]

Dude, hate to ruin the surprise of your quest of setting up the perfect rifle. The full circle is back to an m4 with 1x and marksmanship for a civilian.

[@BrassFacts]

the m14 might be the biggest example of why do it all sucks.

[@BandAid350z]

Reminds me of when I was heavily in the modded car scene. >Reliable >Cheap >Fast Pick two. Very similar with rifles. >maneuverability >precision at range >quiet >night capable Pick two? I’m not sure about the last bit, might need some scrubbing.

[@VulcanXIV]

Great, now I have to go search for what a fighting rifle means. Wonderful video, well done. Glad I watched.

[@benbergy388]

What brand was the tan rifle at 9:13? I absolutely love it

[@HendoSam]

I’ve been thru almost every variation of “do it all”. I’ve landed solidly on a 12.5 with suppressor and red dot. From 0-250 yds it is just point at center and shoot. It’s the perfect combination of weight and maneuverability while sacrificing real distance shooting. But if I need to engage further than 250yds I’m going to reposition and reengage or just leave the situation.

[@rjperez2617]

I always tell my friends a GPR is a medium to longer range rifle that can shoot up close decently and is still wieldable in closer combat scenarios, but still typically a 14.5” to 16” rifle. A do it all I say is a 11.5-14.5” rifle that can touch at 500 no problem but also super balanced for CQC primarily. Hope this helps

[@si1az0]

before watching, i think gpr = a do it "most" rifle or do the most common use cases without being hyper specific on one category.

[@Addictedtosteel]

Curious if you have a ball park weight standard for your GPR's? For me it's about 10lbs fully kitted sans LAM.

[@BrassFacts]

that's reasonable, depends on the purpose though. It's much more of a balance thing for me ultimately, though I start getting pissed off with the gun when they start significantly going past 11lbs

[@SonnyCrocket-p6h]

3 lbs too heavy.

[@CTM54539]

​@@SonnyCrocket-p6h how the heck do you have a fully kitted gpr at 7 lbs?

[@davitdavid7165]

​@@CTM54539wwsd or something, maybe

[@novembermike512]

yeah, a KP-15 lower is about 1.7 lbs fully loaded, a pencil barrel upper with an MOE handguard can be about 2.5ish lbs. I think a streamlight tlr-rm and a PA 3x microprism together are about 1 lb mounted? Add in a sling and mounting hardware and that's probably 5.5 lbs total? Under 7 lbs with a loaded mag. That's a very minimalist gun but it's still a magnified optic, light and sling on a real gun.

[@americankid7782]

I’m going to just say that my Bare Bones build is “General Purpose”. All I have on it is a sling mount and an Airsoft Quality Red Dot.

[@KingdomKillaz117]

Nailed it.

[@MysticMungusSlungus]

Journaral Purpose 0:07

[@matthewriegner5180]

I think a gpr will be dependent on user to some extent. What is your general environment? Is it most likely you'll be shooting at distance? Or are you in more urban enviornments? Obviously you'll want the use of both, but with more emphasis on magnification for rural distance shooting or more emphasis on 1x if urban. Kind of need to figure out what the spectrum of your general purpose may look like and build from there.

[@RustyStator]

My magnified AR is and probably always will be my go-to, but it has its trade-offs. Still, the one rifle concept has its marrit. Someone that only runs one system but they run the shit out of it, is probably really good with that system. Thatnk for another great video BF

[@pnwrob7041]

probably been asked, but what kind of "eyepro" or shades are you wearing in the video? I dig em

[@mfarmer4073]

You should DEFINITELY do a “comments” video dedicated to the people who for some reason thought this was a hunting channel. It would be hilarious.

[@grahamr4916]

If you’ve ever been hunting in densely wooded northeastern areas, you begin to understand why magnification is so nice.

[@ethan5.56]

Currently waiting for my first can to get out of jail. Ordered an ab suppressor a10 5.56 to go on my rosco 12.5" k9 barreled pistol. Trying to figure out what I want to do for my sighting system. Has a set of midwest industries fixed combat sights on it right now sighted in at 36 yards but wanting some magnification. Debated a primary arms 3x micro prism or a magnifier for my 1x micro prism. Great video as always

[@jonathansmith7306]

I don't think magnifiers work with prisms

[@ethan5.56]

@@jonathansmith7306 they'll work with the 1x prism

[@Howjadoo22]

Is there any point in getting a 1-4x LPVO over a 1-6x?

[@BrassFacts]

not anymore, 1-4x LPVOs stop being developed. There was promise as there is in theory the ability for a 12-14oz 1-4x SFP to exist. But the consumers wanted more and more mag. So no new 1-4x have hit the market in like 5 years afaik.

[@Jrtowns1]

I wish someone would do a compact style 1-6 or 1-4 the same way we get compact 1-8 and 10’s. I’m in eastern NC, pretty densely wooded so 8 or 10 is overkill but a daylight bright compact 1-6 would be god level.

[@gator7082]

The Steiner P4xi is outstanding and I would take it over most 1-6 power optics. The need for 6X is subjective, what I mean by that is using METT-TC should be your standard.

[@BrassFacts]

@@gator7082 the steiner p4xi was amazing. Right up until they started charging 700+ dollars for it. There now exists similar priced 1-6x lpvos with red dot bright. Now they do weight 19-20oz vs 17. But in the grand scheme of things that aint bad

[@gator7082]

@@BrassFacts I have nothing against 1-6's but I believe that the 4X on the Steiner, specifically, is far more usable than the 6x on many of the popular LPVO's out right now. They just did it right.

[@catsfrommars]

Going to go full Boomer here. The Recce Rifle has now become the modern day Jeff Cooper Scout Rifle. When the internet discovered the Mk12 SPR they also “rediscovered” the Recce concept that some team guys were playing around since the early 90s. It predates the SPR, the Recce idea has been around for years (~1993 after Black Hawk Down) and somehow it’s now mutated into Internet clout. I also think it predated some of the competition shooter stuff because the competition community was hampered by the Clinton-era Assault Weapons Ban which didn’t end until 2004.

[@lecherojr]

I agree completely. I think if Col. Cooper were still alive he’d have a URGI with a lightweight 1-4/6 scope. SEALs and Delta have been using magnified optics on carbines since the early 90s. There’s pictures of MSGT Horigan with his MRE M4 with what looks like a Luepold 3-9, Chapman, Holland etc etc all using free floated hand guards and magnified optics

[@desperado8605]

My problem is ive got one for now unless i grab my bolt gun so 0-600 is the job of my 16inch ar 1-8 lpvo but i have pressed it to 927 on a match with 73grain handloads.

[@phillipk1258]

One lower & Two uppers… 1.) 16” Hanson with direct thread K can. 1-8x lpvo. High candela 2 cell white light. Sling. QD bipod in the backpack. 2.) 11.5” Hanson with same direct thread K can. Holographic sight. Strong 1 cell white light. Same sling. QD 3x magnifier in the backpack. Both with backup irons. Pick any Aero or BCM tier Lower, just needs a decent trigger.

[@kerbalairforce8802]

Pentagon can't even decide on a "do it all" rifle. My E6 paycheck does gets me a "good enough" Scorpion Evo for home, and a 16" bushmaster for everywhere else

[@codyy8006]

What is the shortest hand guard you can comfortably run with a light and laser? I’m trying to build out a gpr but haven’t used a lam before. I like the look of longer hand guards but the weight savings and rigidity I think make up for it.

[@isaakjunkeer785]

9”-10” at least.

[@gatling216]

The more I shoot, the more I move away from the GPR concept in general. My rifle has undergone the ship of Theseus treatment from basic but serviceable GPR to M16A2 we have at home. That's what I learned to shoot on, and I've gravitated back towards that style over time. A longer barrel and fixed stock are just more comfortable for me. It feels like home, and I don't have to really think about how it'll handle. I didn't consider what I was doing until I took it out to the range and a zoomer was like "nice SPR." Thanks, I guess, but I'm just old and stubborn.

[@FellsApprentice]

Mine is still a 16" AR with ACOG and micro red dot and it works well enough for me. The only thing I might change is to eventually go down to a 14.5" barrel.

[@Goldenwithaleash]

Ain’t that the truth. I spent way too much time and money trying to build a “do it all”.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

14.7 and MPVO 2-10x30 leupold with 12:00 RMR. Surefire turbo Full power LAD.3:00 mounted = Perfection.

[@kylesmith7733]

Curious to see if the new 6mm max will let us have a do it all rifle. Short but can still reach out far. SPR and Night gun in one?🤔🤔🤔